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Based on the best selling novel,

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Tin house publishers proudly presents, the dramatic audio

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edition

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left

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behind.

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It's not an audio book. And it's not

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a film series.

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Directly between these media lies the medium of

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audio drama. Such as 144

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episodes about the end of days?

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Based on the best selling novels, how did

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Gap digital working with Tin dale House publishers,

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proudly present the dramatic audio edition of

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left behind

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Speculative fiction like no other genre

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reflects the creativity of God.

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If you look at the scriptures, you're gonna

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have to see that God you is

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imagination more than rational discourse.

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We are supposed to be image bearer for

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a vastly creative god.

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Reading fantastical fiction opened a portal in my

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imagination for a place other than just a

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materialistic world.

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I experienced the gospel story with the mind

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of someone who loved adventure and loved the

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idea of life conquering darkness.

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We're wired for stories that reflect how we

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see the world in ways that are true

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The story is either pointing to christ or

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it's pointing to our need for christ.

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Welcome back to Lower haven studios for fantastical

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truth, the podcast from lori dot com, which

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we explore, Fantastical stories, bo God's glory. I'm

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S Burnett burnett the publisher of Laura Haven

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an author of a new science fiction adventure

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novel releasing it next year from Enclave publishing

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and I did not even know that this

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episode was on my bucket list. And yes,

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you are definitely welcome here unless you are

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literally nikola nikolai because this is episode 02:19,

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how did gap digital turn left behind

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into a cinematic audio drama.

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And we're gonna be joined today by Todd

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Bust the engineer of that awesome series.

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We're also going to discover how the left

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behind audio drama turned me into a stand

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because I did not even imagine when I

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was first reading those first 3 left behind

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books, that it could turn into a dramatic

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edition. And again, this is different from an

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audiobook book. A fact that his still, I

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checked to this day,

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escaped the, Amazon

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classification system. You start looking for the dramatic

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audio, you find the audiobook and vice versa.

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They need to categorize these things. The same

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thing for Spotify or any of the other

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podcast feeds you need a complete separate section

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that's labeled audio drama. Why shouldn't audio drama

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be even more popular now in the days

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of podcast guys. We used to get these

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things on Cds. I still have Zach. I

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still have 12 of the 4 Cd packs.

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Wonderful packaging for the left behind audio draw

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and then also the left behind kids audio

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drama. They had 1 too. We'll talk about

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it in our next episode, but I'm probably

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gonna be bouncing off the walls here just

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because I love this series. I probably wouldn't

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be even be doing this if it wasn't

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for audio drama, and the left behind audio

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series that came along right when I needed

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to kind of a level up to my

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audio drama interest. Steven I was just talking

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about the whole concept of audio drama, and

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of what an audio drama is I'm like,

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it? It's not something that you hear normally.

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and it's not simply an audiobook, and it's

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into audio dramas though, Stephen in 20 20

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during the whole pandemic dark times. When I

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heard of the left right game? It's like

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a paranormal mystery

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story, and it was based off of a

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reddit post, and someone, you know, kept going

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with that and then it turned into this

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audio drama, and now apparently it's gonna be

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and it's, like an investigative reporter, hot on

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the trail of all these weird disappearance.

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adapted that. I think it was on Facebook

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video oddly enough years ago.

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genre because of all the places it can

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go. I know another way that people adapt

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these is turning them into, like, animated videos

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and that sort of thing, but it it

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an expert audio engineer. So

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I'm I'm really looking forward to listening to

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Todd and in how he put this series

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together and just all the little tips of

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well. Well, so far, we've had a 1

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or 2 episodes about another famous probably the

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most famous, Christian made audio drama, Adventures Odyssey,

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which this year celebrates the release of its

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episode, and I think they're having their first

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land based fan convention in Colorado Springs, Colorado

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Christian audio dramas as well. There was the

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whole lot focus on the family radio. A

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They series, which did the chronicles of Na

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original productions too I remember audio dramas called

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Down Gilead Lane. There was something about frogs

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from the Chuck Olson. I think if I

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remember right, and then there is jungle jam

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podcast twice before. Phil episode about Odyssey specifically

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and listen to that. But now we're gonna

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hear from a colleague of fills in that

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industry. It was also done sam commodity production,

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but has been on the cutting edge from

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digital transfer in the 19 nineties and then

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partly that into, drama production. First off, however,

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at lori dot com, we explore not just

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amazing Christian made dramas, but amazing Christian made

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fantastic. Novels and every Friday, we have a

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which, now this year includes yours truly, and

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Well, going on the road means you get

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to enjoy some can sessions, and I like

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to lead with this leftover

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concession, get it. That is for the people

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who come here specifically because, hey, I heard

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there was an end time discussion, well I

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know the correct end times view. Chances are

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you do, and we probably summarized it fairly

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in episode 216,

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which was our episode about times debating. But

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the rest of the 5 episodes in this

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series, we are celebrating the left behind series

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And today, we're focusing on the left behind

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audio dramas. As I mentioned, it's often badly

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confused with audiobooks books, but I cannot state

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this clearly enough, and you'll hear samples later

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on in this episode of this high production

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cinematic streaming series that just has 1 work.

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They didn't actually film anything with cameras. They

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just recorded everything,

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who then supplies the visuals for this storytelling

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you do. I ever since the twenties radio

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drama has been a theater of the mind,

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and that tradition continues now 100 years later,

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that doesn't mean it's not intense. Audio drama

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can actually be very intense. I'd say even

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more than the books, and that does call

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for some discernment because

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I still remember to this day, a very

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vivid portrayal about what happens to...

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Let's just say the, the the the literal

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Rendition in the left behind series of the

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woman riding the beast when the antichrist decides

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that the Babylon

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religion is no longer useful to him they

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do some various things with an ice sculpture

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and take him out. He he got what's

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coming to him and the audio rendition that

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was quite visceral. So might not be for

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kids, but there is a kids left behind

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audio drama 2 that we will talk about

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in our next episode, by the way, you

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can find as of this recording, the first

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48 left behind episodes on Spotify

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and in our last episode 218 that we

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actually spoke with Chris Fa. We'll name check

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him a few times in this episode because

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all of the left behind audio drama series,

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we're approaching that from 2 different angles. You

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know, something I really appreciate about audio dramas

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is that it's just as fun for my

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kids to listen to these in a long

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car ride. Than it is to watch, you

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know, a movie or something, which is great

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because a couple of my kids

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get motion sickness. And so they really can't

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be watching Netflix or a Dvd or something

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a film, but you supply the visuals And

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popular with people. It's because

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it really depends on the acting. It also

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entire book

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is a series of interviews, like like transcripts

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or recordings or first person like narration as

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their discovering this robot and trying to bring

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it back to life.

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And so the entire book is just dialogue.

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It was perfect is an audio drama. They

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hired all different actors for all the different

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roles. A couple actors kinda rep some of

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the same roles.

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I loved it.

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And then the second book happened

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where they had a lot of different actors.

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Including 1 actress that fans seem to universally

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dislike

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because it it sounded like a a much

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older person, it was supposed to be a

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child.

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And she'd grown up on another planet, and

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it she sound like she was from the

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bronx.

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So it was just a total mismatch of

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casting.

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And then in the third book, they got

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still a different actress and then

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They brought back another actress for a different

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part, but she played a different character and

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was so confusing.

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I couldn't even finish the third book. Just

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said forget it.

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You've totally lost me. And I also think

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some of the writing in the third book,

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I don't think it the story knew where

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it was going.

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But that is not gonna be the case

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today. I've listened to the left behind cinematic

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audiobooks very recently and man. I have a

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huge fan of those

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So buckle up everyone. Well, you don't need

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to buckle up to write in as our

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next guest is, I hear a voice made

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4 radio announcing his arrival, and I think

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he's the only 1 in this particular race.

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So I'm throwing up the doors to welcome

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him now.

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Todd Be has just rolled into the studio

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on his 12 speed

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bike. It has been a while since we

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talked about this left behind legacy series gave

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us a chance to reconnect after very long

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time ago, When Todd, I was a

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But of I don't... What what was I...

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I don't even know if you remember I

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was a studio Ga fly. I actually visited

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the studio once and I think interrupted do

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you guys lunch from Ar, but he was

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very kind to gave us a tour,

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my touring group there around the the wheaton

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campus, but welcome to Laurie Studios.

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Oh, man. This is exciting. Yeah. It... We

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had so many people coming through the studio

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during the left behind era. I do recall

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you though specifically because you forgot to put

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order into the guest box. So I'll get

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that from you at some point. On, that

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probably Went bankrupt. And. I'll, I will I

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will send that I'll will send that over

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with the, cash app or something.

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There you go. Yeah. With the interest and

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inflation included. What was left behind? Like, 5

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years ago, 6 years ago. I you know,

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here's the issue here. Glory appearing, the 12

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volume released 20 years ago in 20 o

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4.

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Wow. Yeah. So Jesus returned 20 years ago,

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We are now in the millennial reign by

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the way, and it is glorious indeed. Yep.

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Yeah. Not quite, I think every times position

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would agree that that's not exactly the true

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position, But, Todd, you had a life before

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left behind and the left behind dramatic audio

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series. I mentioned if you could just give

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us a quick bio and then, tell us

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what led you to biblical truth and

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This line of work.

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Yeah. I was as a kid fascinated with

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anything with buttons, so it was either gonna

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be a recording studio or a 07:47

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cockpit, both of which I had posters of

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up on my wall as a kid. By

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god's providence, I ended up in radio,

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was mixing live sound,

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led to radio, led to radio production, led

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to drama production, spent 16 years with Moody

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broadcasting. During that time, built up my own

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business, and a 96 was to take it

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independent, was sitting at my desk in a

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small office 1 morning thinking.

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Hearing a lot about this left behind thing,

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and and we went to work developing that

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as a series, and that really was life

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changing. It's It's a retrospective for you guys

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who listened to a lot of drama

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pretty pivotal. I got allowed me to use

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that series to, build a business,

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employ a lot of actors

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expose a lot of people to the gospel

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through the process

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and

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do some storytelling telling where the leash was

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taken off, and I was allowed run free

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with creative process. So the leash was taken

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off, and I have listened to the entire

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audio drama several times through, actually, I know

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you've listened to it more because you've had

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to stay up late,

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doing the mix on 144

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episodes, not a hundred 44000, but a hundred

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44, 12 episodes

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based on 12... It listen to a thousand

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times. So I think it's about right. You

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know I that would editor. I've never really

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landed on the prophetic number of episodes. Thank

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you, Steven That. 12 in terms well, once

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you see these very book of revelation type

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numbers. You you can't un them. And then

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you realize we... We we in revelations Why

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your studio is called Gap digital. And it

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is in the Chicago area, which, of course

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is

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setting to a vast amount of the left

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behind storyline,

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how did Gap digital specifically get started and

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you were doing mixes for adventures odyssey, radius

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at, like, what are some of the other

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projects that y'all worked on in and around

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the same time? Yeah. I started actually

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back in the eighties back when the core

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of the Earth still cooling.

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With a little company called Gordon audio productions,

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and people say Gordon, and I say, yes.

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Because nobody has ever asked me to spell

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Gordon, which is not necessarily the case with

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my last name, so I just used Gordon

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or audio productions, but then,

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through

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an amazing set of circumstances

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was working for Ron Hut producing his program.

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The armed forces network approached him and said,

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we have an opportunity to air your program.

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He said great. He said it's 30 minutes.

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I said, oh, when we have a 60

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minute program. He came to me and said

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what would it take to cut our 60

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minute program down, which had a lot of

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drama. It was weekly with kids, kids doing

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drama, actors doing drama. There's a lot of

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drama production in it. So we were already

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sitting the groundwork for that. So what would

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it take to cut the 60 down to

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30. Now, this was on 2 inch tape.

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This was all punch edits. This was all

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analog

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production in Studio b at Moody broadcasting, and

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I said, well, I'm doing about 80 hours

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a week right now.

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And newly married, and I had to put

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a picture of myself up in the kitchen,

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so my wife remembered what I looked like.

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I'd say

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creating a 30 minute version of this is

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another 20 hours.

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So not really doable. He said, think big.

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And I said, well, digital is coming around.

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He said, what do you need? I said,

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man, it'd be about 20 grand, a week

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later he hands me to check for 20

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grand and says do it.

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I said, okay. So I went to work,

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very diligent in terms of the shopping, pro

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tools was just coming out.

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But was

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rift with problems. So I

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was directed to another company called Spectral,

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made it work.

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We knocked our production time down to 30

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hours and at a 30 minute version that

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we aired in Europe for years

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Other broadcasters,

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Dave Arnold it focus calls me and says,

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hey. What you do over there? And I

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said, well, I put together a little thing

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with the thing and the thing and He

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says show me. So we ended up being

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a broadcast rep for spectral synthesis, a company

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out of Washington.

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And we put in systems for ventures in

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Odyssey, D James Kennedy,

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your story our children's bible hour,

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radio stations, Larry Bur.

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And so we were traveling around helping

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these ministries come up to speed, digital And

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that's when I said, alright. I'm just gonna

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change the name of the company to Gap

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digital, and we really built the foundation on

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digital technology and the efficiencies that it create.

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These are the kinds of things you find

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out. I didn't know that you all had

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actually installed those systems. Some of those names

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while Children's Bible hour. It was actually a

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half hour folks, but that's okay.

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I used to listen to that because it

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was the warm up back for Adventures odyssey

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on Saturday mornings at WJMM

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fm in Lexington Kentucky. Nice. You know, it

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I went to college right at the transition

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of analog to digital for all this stuff.

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And

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I got on this bus for this student

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orientation program at Texas a called Fish camp.

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Sit next to this guy. And first thing

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you asked me is, you know what M

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mp threes are?

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I was like, no. I'd... What is that?

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And he's like, well, it's a way to

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get the music track from a Cd onto

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your computer. I'm like, oh, that's that's pretty

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cool. Okay. Go into college next week. Everyone

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has their computer set up on this network,

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and everyone just doing the whole file sharing

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thing, like, here's this album. Here here's that

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album. 0MP threes. Oh, yeah. This guy in

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the bus told me about that. And this

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this is, like pre Naps, which is pre

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itunes. It's you know, in high school, I

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had done

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a bunch of just video and audio projects

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for fun, but it was all tape based.

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Like you said, you know, making mix tapes

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for friends,

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or filming things on, like, a 8 millimeter

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camera and then transferring it to a V

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tape. And then in college, we got to

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mess around with mini Tv cameras where you

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could edit on a computer and that was

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just so life changing.

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But like you said, it kind of takes

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your whole life away because it You think

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it's gonna make everything quicker and easier. Now

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you just get to do more things with

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it. So you end up spending maybe more

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time on on digital editing and audio. It

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is part of the, lengthening the leash again,

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using the dog retract leash analogy, which is

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so useful in so many areas of life,

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the

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ability to create some things,

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you can come up with the idea, but

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to actually execute that

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is difficult. The thing I loved about working

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hut grab program is that 5 segments

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across the hour and a different drama in

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each segment, and we could go any direction.

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And the acting troop that we put together

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ear in Ami. And you're having a fight

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with a pro z. Go.

533
00:20:58,210 --> 00:20:59,670
You know, and so you

534
00:21:00,049 --> 00:21:00,850
because it's audio,

535
00:21:01,410 --> 00:21:04,210
you're not restricted by costume blocking lighting, makeup,

536
00:21:04,450 --> 00:21:04,769
etcetera.

537
00:21:05,501 --> 00:21:06,850
Which is your first plus,

538
00:21:07,643 --> 00:21:10,817
but then you can also incorporate the imagination.

539
00:21:10,975 --> 00:21:12,165
What would this sound like. I don't know.

540
00:21:12,324 --> 00:21:13,117
Let's try a few things.

541
00:21:14,009 --> 00:21:15,769
When you go to digital,

542
00:21:16,329 --> 00:21:17,289
and it's faster,

543
00:21:17,690 --> 00:21:18,670
you can try

544
00:21:19,049 --> 00:21:21,470
more things. So, yes, it does

545
00:21:21,769 --> 00:21:23,935
unleash you're suddenly drinking out of a fire

546
00:21:23,935 --> 00:21:26,800
hose. And moderation is important. I just worked

547
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:27,277
with

548
00:21:27,675 --> 00:21:29,266
a client a little while back.

549
00:21:29,998 --> 00:21:33,027
Producing drama, where moderation was not 1 of

550
00:21:33,027 --> 00:21:36,613
their hallmarks, and they were buried in deadlines

551
00:21:36,613 --> 00:21:37,330
and backlog.

552
00:21:38,143 --> 00:21:39,580
As a result. So you do have to

553
00:21:39,580 --> 00:21:40,777
know when to say when.

554
00:21:41,495 --> 00:21:43,650
And that's kind of the balance. Yeah. Now

555
00:21:43,650 --> 00:21:45,725
the left behind sears, you said allowed y'all

556
00:21:45,725 --> 00:21:48,536
all to, take the leash off and try

557
00:21:48,536 --> 00:21:50,933
even more things with this drama, but Todd,

558
00:21:51,173 --> 00:21:53,190
how did you all get into making

559
00:21:53,505 --> 00:21:55,904
They left behind audio drama, which I will

560
00:21:55,904 --> 00:21:58,225
remind faithful listeners is an audio drama, not

561
00:21:58,225 --> 00:22:00,565
an audio, So it's already got audio

562
00:22:00,865 --> 00:22:01,365
presumably

563
00:22:01,839 --> 00:22:04,231
This is something completely different? Like, was this

564
00:22:04,231 --> 00:22:06,622
the publisher idea? Was it your idea? What

565
00:22:06,622 --> 00:22:09,413
is the origin story there? The origin story

566
00:22:09,413 --> 00:22:11,600
is that as I mentioned and I went

567
00:22:11,656 --> 00:22:14,357
independent, left moody after 16 years, and I'm

568
00:22:14,357 --> 00:22:16,740
sitting in my, tiny office We rented some

569
00:22:16,740 --> 00:22:18,567
office space. I built a 1 room studio,

570
00:22:18,885 --> 00:22:20,328
and and I'm sitting in the office,

571
00:22:20,725 --> 00:22:21,463
just basically,

572
00:22:22,233 --> 00:22:25,011
brainstorming, you know, young business? Okay. How do

573
00:22:25,170 --> 00:22:26,202
I put food on the table?

574
00:22:26,934 --> 00:22:27,833
I had

575
00:22:28,612 --> 00:22:29,112
heard

576
00:22:29,730 --> 00:22:32,047
the sc butt about left behind. People were

577
00:22:32,047 --> 00:22:33,725
starting to talk about it. It was early.

578
00:22:34,218 --> 00:22:35,728
In the ascend of that title.

579
00:22:36,285 --> 00:22:37,715
You know, I borrowed a copy. I took

580
00:22:37,715 --> 00:22:38,907
a look, and Read the first chapter and

581
00:22:38,987 --> 00:22:41,474
I go, well, this would drama ties

582
00:22:42,023 --> 00:22:43,853
Pretty well. Was still going down to moody

583
00:22:43,853 --> 00:22:45,764
on a regular basis and recording folks down

584
00:22:45,764 --> 00:22:47,674
there and doing projects for them and for

585
00:22:47,674 --> 00:22:47,992
others.

586
00:22:48,629 --> 00:22:51,017
And so after 1 session down there, I

587
00:22:51,017 --> 00:22:51,470
had about

588
00:22:52,145 --> 00:22:54,847
18 actors and I said this gang. If

589
00:22:54,847 --> 00:22:56,755
you're willing and have the time, hang out,

590
00:22:56,914 --> 00:22:58,821
let's do a demo. I've got an idea,

591
00:22:59,393 --> 00:23:01,385
I don't know where it's gonna go, but

592
00:23:01,545 --> 00:23:04,094
I wanna try something, and that really was...

593
00:23:05,528 --> 00:23:05,847
Let's...

594
00:23:07,058 --> 00:23:09,474
Think outside the box here. And so my

595
00:23:09,612 --> 00:23:11,070
conception of it

596
00:23:11,528 --> 00:23:12,028
was

597
00:23:12,406 --> 00:23:14,880
more about not word for work.

598
00:23:15,691 --> 00:23:18,737
Okay. Not word for word, but concepts,

599
00:23:19,112 --> 00:23:21,577
and concepts driven by sound.

600
00:23:22,229 --> 00:23:24,141
And so we did a 5 minute demo

601
00:23:24,141 --> 00:23:26,770
that may be some of the most exciting

602
00:23:26,770 --> 00:23:30,036
audio that I have ever produced because it

603
00:23:30,036 --> 00:23:32,782
was just free form. I mean, it was

604
00:23:33,159 --> 00:23:35,391
it wasn't a scene followed by a scene.

605
00:23:35,630 --> 00:23:38,499
It was more, you know, jets, and I

606
00:23:38,499 --> 00:23:41,228
used movie music. And trailer music and really

607
00:23:41,228 --> 00:23:43,545
put together you know, this impactful. Now we

608
00:23:43,545 --> 00:23:46,022
had some voices and actually on the demo,

609
00:23:46,741 --> 00:23:49,809
the gentleman who ended up playing Nickel carp,

610
00:23:50,583 --> 00:23:52,596
poised Ra steel

611
00:23:53,211 --> 00:23:55,542
because I had not yet done any casting.

612
00:23:55,917 --> 00:23:56,417
So

613
00:23:56,888 --> 00:23:58,006
That was interesting.

614
00:23:58,564 --> 00:24:01,197
Now we had already produced new living translation

615
00:24:01,197 --> 00:24:03,032
drama amortized bible for Ty day, so I

616
00:24:03,032 --> 00:24:04,882
had their phone number. And I called them

617
00:24:04,882 --> 00:24:06,636
up and said, listen, I got this idea.

618
00:24:07,035 --> 00:24:09,370
Can I fly it past you? They said

619
00:24:09,428 --> 00:24:11,821
sure. Gave of synopsis. I... I've got this

620
00:24:11,821 --> 00:24:13,735
idea for drama sizing the left behind series.

621
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:16,622
They pulled together all the Big Wig presidents,

622
00:24:16,861 --> 00:24:19,493
the comp controller, marketing guy etcetera. So forth.

623
00:24:19,652 --> 00:24:21,726
Put him in a conference room, and I

624
00:24:21,726 --> 00:24:23,821
wanted this thing to really z

625
00:24:24,133 --> 00:24:26,672
So I'm rolling my little cart with general

626
00:24:26,910 --> 00:24:29,607
Studio monitors and I, you know, wow my

627
00:24:29,766 --> 00:24:31,908
Cd player. I'm not relying on whatever they

628
00:24:31,908 --> 00:24:33,619
have in their conference yeah. No

629
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,160
on this. Now, I've got the gen monitors,

630
00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:37,759
and I set up in the Conference room

631
00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:38,559
and I hit play.

632
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,531
And 5 minutes ago as by, and they're

633
00:24:41,531 --> 00:24:43,945
all kinda sitting there, and I'm trying desperately

634
00:24:44,003 --> 00:24:45,519
to read faces in any ain't work.

635
00:24:46,476 --> 00:24:47,433
And finally,

636
00:24:48,071 --> 00:24:50,559
Paul Matthews, the money guy says, by How

637
00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:53,195
much. And I slid them a proposal across

638
00:24:53,195 --> 00:24:54,554
the table. He takes 1 look at it,

639
00:24:54,794 --> 00:24:57,270
chuckle and slides it back and says, thanks

640
00:24:57,270 --> 00:24:57,750
for coming.

641
00:24:59,044 --> 00:24:59,544
Oh

642
00:24:59,924 --> 00:25:01,044
no. No. No.

643
00:25:01,525 --> 00:25:02,005
Bud wait.

644
00:25:02,884 --> 00:25:04,424
Sitting next to

645
00:25:04,804 --> 00:25:07,140
all Matthews is a gentleman. You're familiar with

646
00:25:07,140 --> 00:25:08,500
by the name of Dan Bay.

647
00:25:09,140 --> 00:25:10,980
We just talked to Dan. Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

648
00:25:11,299 --> 00:25:14,900
Yeah. Dan is a lifelong friend for many

649
00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:16,903
reason but mostly for what he did in

650
00:25:16,903 --> 00:25:19,127
the next moment. He said, hang on.

651
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:20,899
You can

652
00:25:21,432 --> 00:25:23,934
turn these into radio, so. Right? That's well

653
00:25:23,991 --> 00:25:25,980
in essence innocence, that's what they're em is

654
00:25:25,980 --> 00:25:28,309
they're their, you know, their 25 minute

655
00:25:28,764 --> 00:25:29,264
radio

656
00:25:30,133 --> 00:25:30,452
episodes,

657
00:25:31,250 --> 00:25:31,809
and he said,

658
00:25:32,767 --> 00:25:32,926
Okay.

659
00:25:34,523 --> 00:25:35,959
Why don't we try 12? I'll take it

660
00:25:35,959 --> 00:25:38,605
out of my marketing budget. Okay. I'm gonna

661
00:25:38,605 --> 00:25:40,670
give a call to Jim Sanders out an

662
00:25:40,670 --> 00:25:42,418
ambassador and see if he thinks there'd be

663
00:25:42,418 --> 00:25:44,324
any interest in it. About a week later,

664
00:25:44,403 --> 00:25:46,072
he had 475

665
00:25:46,072 --> 00:25:47,422
stations signed up to air this thing.

666
00:25:49,270 --> 00:25:49,770
So

667
00:25:50,227 --> 00:25:51,582
Dan said, it had to work.

668
00:25:52,460 --> 00:25:55,330
I said... Wow. Yeah. So I had to

669
00:25:55,330 --> 00:25:57,979
jump on it because suddenly, all these stations

670
00:25:57,979 --> 00:25:59,896
are waiting for this thing. While we aired

671
00:25:59,896 --> 00:26:00,216
12,

672
00:26:01,335 --> 00:26:03,972
send them to ambassador. By this time, they've

673
00:26:03,972 --> 00:26:06,383
doubled the on stations that are clamoring. Put

674
00:26:06,383 --> 00:26:07,100
this thing on.

675
00:26:07,817 --> 00:26:08,317
And

676
00:26:08,933 --> 00:26:09,490
Dan says,

677
00:26:10,526 --> 00:26:12,279
swing by. I got 2 more contracts, the

678
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:14,590
next 2 books. Right? The first 12 were

679
00:26:14,590 --> 00:26:16,753
based on left behind. And then we went

680
00:26:16,753 --> 00:26:18,421
on through the series. He gave me a

681
00:26:18,421 --> 00:26:20,009
contract for 2 more books. I'm still in

682
00:26:20,009 --> 00:26:23,344
this tiny studio where literally, I got my

683
00:26:23,344 --> 00:26:25,510
mixer, and I've got a space behind me

684
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:26,547
where I'm doing foley,

685
00:26:27,105 --> 00:26:30,476
and I'm using the studios downtown I'm renting

686
00:26:30,534 --> 00:26:33,246
moody broadcasting studios to record the actors,

687
00:26:33,819 --> 00:26:36,130
And, okay. If this thing really takes off.

688
00:26:36,448 --> 00:26:36,948
So

689
00:26:37,803 --> 00:26:39,577
I walked into the local bank

690
00:26:39,954 --> 00:26:42,198
with, you know, like, 4 bucks in my

691
00:26:42,198 --> 00:26:44,983
pocket in a couple contracts and said, John,

692
00:26:45,381 --> 00:26:47,211
I had made friends with a guy who

693
00:26:47,211 --> 00:26:49,042
was running the branch. I said John, I

694
00:26:49,042 --> 00:26:49,837
need to buy a building.

695
00:26:50,649 --> 00:26:53,522
S Gospel had run their radio ministry for

696
00:26:53,522 --> 00:26:55,597
years out of a building in Wheaton that

697
00:26:55,677 --> 00:26:57,613
I now own, and they had 2

698
00:26:57,991 --> 00:26:58,390
simple...

699
00:26:58,964 --> 00:27:01,750
Audio studios in the basement of that building.

700
00:27:02,228 --> 00:27:04,458
And so it presented the opportunity for me

701
00:27:04,458 --> 00:27:06,368
to take over 1 studio and then upgrade

702
00:27:06,368 --> 00:27:06,846
the others.

703
00:27:07,418 --> 00:27:09,480
And I showed John the contract, Ned said,

704
00:27:10,590 --> 00:27:10,828
okay.

705
00:27:12,572 --> 00:27:15,055
Let's go to work, and he did. And

706
00:27:15,284 --> 00:27:17,911
the the gentleman in the Sba department did

707
00:27:17,911 --> 00:27:20,140
an amazing job. I mean, god was orchestrating

708
00:27:20,140 --> 00:27:22,050
this whole thing, and I walked to the

709
00:27:22,050 --> 00:27:24,532
guy who owned the s a sla gospel

710
00:27:24,532 --> 00:27:26,680
building offered him his list price because he

711
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,589
had laughed at us 4 years earlier when

712
00:27:28,589 --> 00:27:29,703
be offered him less then.

713
00:27:30,515 --> 00:27:31,634
You know, I was trying to get this

714
00:27:31,634 --> 00:27:32,835
building for while, and we were able to

715
00:27:32,835 --> 00:27:34,994
buy the building. And then the next call

716
00:27:34,994 --> 00:27:36,115
was to John S.

717
00:27:36,835 --> 00:27:39,075
John is a studio designer of renowned.

718
00:27:39,729 --> 00:27:41,166
He's been doing it for many years,

719
00:27:41,884 --> 00:27:44,599
true confession during study hall. In high school,

720
00:27:45,237 --> 00:27:47,393
I would read Mixed magazine, and I would

721
00:27:47,393 --> 00:27:50,680
look at his rooms and and really like

722
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,072
those the best. So this is the lifelong

723
00:27:53,072 --> 00:27:54,747
dream of yours. That's that's really cool exactly.

724
00:27:54,987 --> 00:27:57,300
Coming true now. Absolutely. So I called up

725
00:27:57,380 --> 00:27:58,735
John, and I said I got this space.

726
00:27:59,387 --> 00:28:00,819
And it's 96

727
00:28:00,819 --> 00:28:02,831
feet from the corner of the building

728
00:28:03,285 --> 00:28:05,831
to the first rail of the Union Pacific.

729
00:28:06,244 --> 00:28:07,123
They said, yeah.

730
00:28:07,762 --> 00:28:09,839
Alright. We got it. So he built electric

731
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:12,875
lady for Jimmy Hendrix in New York over

732
00:28:12,875 --> 00:28:13,355
the subway.

733
00:28:14,089 --> 00:28:16,649
And his claim to fame was, you can't

734
00:28:16,649 --> 00:28:19,049
tell you're over the subway. Now any building

735
00:28:19,049 --> 00:28:20,250
in New York where you're over the subway.

736
00:28:20,409 --> 00:28:22,809
You know you're over the, electric lady? No.

737
00:28:23,383 --> 00:28:26,084
Alright. And so he really pioneered a lot

738
00:28:26,084 --> 00:28:27,911
of his isolation stuff, so he came in.

739
00:28:28,388 --> 00:28:30,786
Our live rooms are floated. So in other

740
00:28:30,786 --> 00:28:32,691
words, you could pick them up and move

741
00:28:32,691 --> 00:28:33,191
them

742
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:36,105
because they're not bolted to the building if

743
00:28:36,105 --> 00:28:37,954
you will, and they're floated on a system

744
00:28:38,264 --> 00:28:39,625
that some guy with a huge,

745
00:28:40,184 --> 00:28:42,585
very active brain does the math on it

746
00:28:42,585 --> 00:28:44,264
says, okay, This room is gonna weigh this

747
00:28:44,264 --> 00:28:46,184
much because you're gonna have these materials in

748
00:28:46,184 --> 00:28:47,955
it And for that, we're gonna put this

749
00:28:47,955 --> 00:28:49,870
system and a custom design a system that

750
00:28:49,870 --> 00:28:53,481
this sits on. Wow. And and that is

751
00:28:54,034 --> 00:28:56,431
where we recorded the bulk of the Levy

752
00:28:56,431 --> 00:28:58,748
series. Now once we bought the building, it

753
00:28:58,748 --> 00:29:00,746
took us 1 week to move from the

754
00:29:00,746 --> 00:29:03,552
small studio over Take over 1, we took

755
00:29:03,552 --> 00:29:06,998
over studio b of the Slavic Gospel studio

756
00:29:07,214 --> 00:29:09,046
and went to work, and I've got great

757
00:29:09,046 --> 00:29:10,295
video and photos of

758
00:29:10,891 --> 00:29:13,675
everybody crammed in this tiny little live room,

759
00:29:13,834 --> 00:29:15,584
and, you know, we did our foley in

760
00:29:15,584 --> 00:29:17,589
there. And we had great sessions and so

761
00:29:17,589 --> 00:29:19,667
good, and then upstairs was the green room

762
00:29:19,667 --> 00:29:21,505
where amazing things happen.

763
00:29:22,144 --> 00:29:23,123
The green room

764
00:29:23,822 --> 00:29:25,500
may be just as important.

765
00:29:25,994 --> 00:29:28,711
As what was going on in the recording

766
00:29:28,711 --> 00:29:29,829
studio because a,

767
00:29:30,469 --> 00:29:32,546
gentleman by the name of Jim To who

768
00:29:32,546 --> 00:29:33,445
played Zeke

769
00:29:33,917 --> 00:29:36,379
was probably the funniest human I have ever

770
00:29:36,379 --> 00:29:38,603
met. Oh, he steals the show later on,

771
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,668
especially in the last half of the, audio

772
00:29:40,668 --> 00:29:42,994
drama. Yeah. He does. And then

773
00:29:43,781 --> 00:29:44,099
B,

774
00:29:44,815 --> 00:29:48,156
Tom, who was playing Rh, had his church

775
00:29:48,156 --> 00:29:49,747
praying during sessions,

776
00:29:50,639 --> 00:29:53,217
for the conversations would that would take place

777
00:29:53,836 --> 00:29:56,313
at the table. I was ask you about

778
00:29:56,313 --> 00:29:59,110
that. Yeah. Yes. Marvelous that I had guys

779
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:59,430
marvelous.

780
00:30:00,083 --> 00:30:03,292
The guy who claimed Hai Hem Rose

781
00:30:03,749 --> 00:30:05,741
is, you know, you saying, you know,

782
00:30:06,458 --> 00:30:08,150
someday, I may have to explain this role

783
00:30:08,150 --> 00:30:09,829
to my grandkids. But right now, I'm having

784
00:30:09,829 --> 00:30:11,849
a good deal of fun, You know? Because

785
00:30:12,069 --> 00:30:15,204
it he was going actually Jewish then... He

786
00:30:15,204 --> 00:30:18,160
was jewish. Actually, Jewish. That's marvelous Wow. Yeah.

787
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:18,720
That's marvel.

788
00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:22,609
Oh, yeah. Jerry Jerry was phenomenal. And so

789
00:30:22,808 --> 00:30:25,433
the conversations that were going on, upstairs the

790
00:30:25,433 --> 00:30:26,945
green. We would do 2 days at a

791
00:30:26,945 --> 00:30:28,933
time. So, you know, it'd be like, a

792
00:30:29,013 --> 00:30:31,096
Thursday fry. A we'd hit it at 08:00,

793
00:30:31,335 --> 00:30:32,607
we'd go all the way at to 4,

794
00:30:32,926 --> 00:30:35,551
05:00 as necessary. Do the same thing the

795
00:30:35,551 --> 00:30:38,519
following day. At Chris and Amanda moved out

796
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:40,599
to La. We sometimes had to fly them

797
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:43,079
back in to be, you know, for Buck

798
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,240
Chloe to to be part of the sessions,

799
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:45,934
but

800
00:30:46,291 --> 00:30:49,147
Yeah. It's just, you know, so many so

801
00:30:49,147 --> 00:30:51,923
many times, I look back and see the

802
00:30:51,923 --> 00:30:53,906
divine hand just kinda orchestrating the whole thing.

803
00:30:54,318 --> 00:30:56,463
That is absolutely wonderful to hear. All over

804
00:30:56,463 --> 00:30:58,608
again. It's and Todd, I've started re listening

805
00:30:58,608 --> 00:31:01,070
to the series now, just in celebration of

806
00:31:01,070 --> 00:31:02,262
that left behind legacy.

807
00:31:02,754 --> 00:31:04,580
So we're already talking about how you all

808
00:31:04,580 --> 00:31:06,589
assembled what I would call the left behind

809
00:31:06,963 --> 00:31:07,678
adaptation force.

810
00:31:08,551 --> 00:31:10,855
So many actors that you all already were

811
00:31:10,855 --> 00:31:13,415
familiar with, including many Christian actors in that

812
00:31:13,415 --> 00:31:15,648
area. And for those who still remember, for

813
00:31:15,648 --> 00:31:18,518
example, that Kirk Cameron is Buck Williams, no.

814
00:31:18,757 --> 00:31:21,803
My my buck Williams is Christopher Taylor Rant,

815
00:31:21,883 --> 00:31:23,160
if I member is named correctly.

816
00:31:23,878 --> 00:31:25,735
And, no, Raf steele

817
00:31:26,113 --> 00:31:29,147
is not Nico Carriage, Raf steel is Tom

818
00:31:29,227 --> 00:31:29,865
Mc miguel.

819
00:31:30,358 --> 00:31:33,213
Those humans have never met them. They made

820
00:31:33,213 --> 00:31:33,769
me cry.

821
00:31:34,403 --> 00:31:34,903
Absolutely

822
00:31:35,276 --> 00:31:37,179
phenomenal actors. And by the way, the man

823
00:31:37,179 --> 00:31:39,180
later on played Zeke, as 1 of the

824
00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:42,442
best death screams ever. I don't know how

825
00:31:42,442 --> 00:31:44,113
many times he did a death screen. I

826
00:31:44,113 --> 00:31:46,818
think he died, the witness the witnesses roasted

827
00:31:46,818 --> 00:31:47,318
him

828
00:31:47,628 --> 00:31:49,216
I I think he died in the earthquake,

829
00:31:49,375 --> 00:31:51,280
and that was a kid's audio drama series,

830
00:31:51,836 --> 00:31:54,853
And then just a absolutely incredible, like, you

831
00:31:54,853 --> 00:31:57,171
really felt the pain in Anguish of him

832
00:31:57,171 --> 00:31:58,999
shuffling off this mortal coil several times. I

833
00:31:58,999 --> 00:32:00,588
think he died up more times in Sean

834
00:32:00,588 --> 00:32:00,826
bean.

835
00:32:01,780 --> 00:32:04,108
How did you all find all of these

836
00:32:04,579 --> 00:32:05,377
terrific actors,

837
00:32:06,015 --> 00:32:06,914
including several

838
00:32:07,293 --> 00:32:10,166
who believed in this project. I mean, I've

839
00:32:10,326 --> 00:32:11,603
I've got that... Hold on. Let tell you

840
00:32:11,603 --> 00:32:12,720
what. Before you answer the question.

841
00:32:13,613 --> 00:32:15,447
Speaking of the actors. Alright. I don't know

842
00:32:15,447 --> 00:32:17,681
if you remember this. And and and the

843
00:32:17,681 --> 00:32:19,435
rest of that can't see this because this

844
00:32:19,435 --> 00:32:22,248
is audio, but... Yeah. This is the hundredth

845
00:32:22,546 --> 00:32:23,046
episode

846
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:26,311
This is the hundredth episode celebration poster.

847
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:28,167
This here is carp,

848
00:32:28,705 --> 00:32:32,070
lee out from the the laser eyes that

849
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:33,107
the Oh, nice.

850
00:32:33,746 --> 00:32:35,261
He's about to he's about to light you

851
00:32:35,261 --> 00:32:38,292
up, K tony heat vision style. But instead

852
00:32:38,292 --> 00:32:39,568
what he's done is he just gone into

853
00:32:39,568 --> 00:32:41,339
the, temple to desk create it, and he

854
00:32:41,339 --> 00:32:42,937
sacrificed a pig and there was a blood

855
00:32:42,937 --> 00:32:43,816
everywhere and it was horrible.

856
00:32:44,535 --> 00:32:46,533
Taking off the leash after all. Don't recommend

857
00:32:46,533 --> 00:32:48,530
that. Yep. No. Don't Don't don't do that.

858
00:32:48,690 --> 00:32:50,062
It's bla for me. How did y'all all

859
00:32:50,062 --> 00:32:52,132
find all of these people? And just this

860
00:32:52,132 --> 00:32:53,645
is some of the recruitment of all the

861
00:32:53,645 --> 00:32:56,193
talent? I mean, Chris Fa doing the adaptation

862
00:32:56,193 --> 00:32:58,025
for the first 11 and then Steve Wick

863
00:32:58,025 --> 00:32:59,549
with the music and then the actors as

864
00:32:59,549 --> 00:33:01,637
well. How do you find these folks? So

865
00:33:02,010 --> 00:33:04,233
Roger Mueller was coming into our studio all

866
00:33:04,233 --> 00:33:06,694
the time. Okay. Ended up playing Carp.

867
00:33:07,663 --> 00:33:10,290
And so he was part of this session

868
00:33:10,290 --> 00:33:12,360
where I said gang. III wanna do a

869
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,306
demo. Amy Lilly was on staff,

870
00:33:16,115 --> 00:33:18,283
1 of the most amazing voice talents

871
00:33:18,816 --> 00:33:19,372
in the world.

872
00:33:20,007 --> 00:33:22,469
And so she was hat from the drop

873
00:33:22,469 --> 00:33:23,660
of the hat. I mean, I was sitting

874
00:33:23,660 --> 00:33:25,144
at my desk going. What if

875
00:33:26,218 --> 00:33:28,205
Okay. Amy Will play Had. Got it. You

876
00:33:28,205 --> 00:33:30,034
know, I mean, that was that was probably

877
00:33:30,034 --> 00:33:32,816
the first role that was cast and locked

878
00:33:32,816 --> 00:33:34,406
in. I didn't even talk to her. I

879
00:33:34,406 --> 00:33:36,646
just so we'll work schedule around her. She

880
00:33:36,646 --> 00:33:39,531
was fantastic. I did a quite an extensive

881
00:33:39,984 --> 00:33:40,484
process

882
00:33:41,494 --> 00:33:41,892
for...

883
00:33:42,784 --> 00:33:44,781
Ray steele for Chris,

884
00:33:45,341 --> 00:33:46,779
for Buck and Chloe,

885
00:33:47,498 --> 00:33:49,676
a lot of audition. And

886
00:33:50,055 --> 00:33:50,375
Tom,

887
00:33:51,348 --> 00:33:54,701
nailed it on the scene... So the scene

888
00:33:54,701 --> 00:33:56,857
where he comes home and goes up the

889
00:33:56,857 --> 00:33:59,332
stairs and sees all the photos.

890
00:33:59,810 --> 00:34:00,783
Yeah. Yeah.

891
00:34:01,739 --> 00:34:03,195
When when Tom

892
00:34:03,810 --> 00:34:04,527
auditioned that,

893
00:34:05,483 --> 00:34:07,316
I had to go get the shop vac.

894
00:34:08,048 --> 00:34:10,858
And vacuum myself up off the floor

895
00:34:12,189 --> 00:34:12,689
because

896
00:34:13,145 --> 00:34:13,645
he

897
00:34:14,579 --> 00:34:16,092
absolutely melted the place.

898
00:34:16,824 --> 00:34:17,324
And,

899
00:34:17,701 --> 00:34:19,933
I mean, it was tied because Roger was

900
00:34:19,933 --> 00:34:21,310
still in contention

901
00:34:22,005 --> 00:34:24,477
as Rae steel at a nice edge to

902
00:34:24,477 --> 00:34:24,977
him

903
00:34:25,449 --> 00:34:27,789
but that scene showed me

904
00:34:28,489 --> 00:34:30,650
what Tom was going to be able to

905
00:34:30,650 --> 00:34:32,409
give in terms of the arc.

906
00:34:33,222 --> 00:34:35,473
Because, you know, good storytelling

907
00:34:36,485 --> 00:34:37,303
shows us

908
00:34:37,678 --> 00:34:41,418
people changing. Right? Good storytelling causes us to

909
00:34:41,418 --> 00:34:43,607
want the change. There's an arc. There's a

910
00:34:43,665 --> 00:34:45,899
transition if somebody static and never changes. It's

911
00:34:45,899 --> 00:34:46,139
boring.

912
00:34:46,777 --> 00:34:49,090
But that scene was just...

913
00:34:49,663 --> 00:34:52,632
So amazing. And so that locked in

914
00:34:53,008 --> 00:34:55,897
my Ray steel. So I had some people

915
00:34:56,193 --> 00:34:58,207
within the network that were

916
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:00,920
locked in. You're this... You're gonna be a

917
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,599
part of this. They... You know, and they

918
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:03,639
helped me out in the demo. I said,

919
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,320
gang, I don't know if this is gonna

920
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,260
go anywhere. If it does, I will definitely

921
00:35:07,972 --> 00:35:08,950
reward your

922
00:35:09,485 --> 00:35:11,238
willingness to hang out for another hour and

923
00:35:11,238 --> 00:35:12,911
help me with this demo. Some of the

924
00:35:12,911 --> 00:35:14,525
folks in that room had a

925
00:35:14,901 --> 00:35:16,016
very nice 6 year run.

926
00:35:16,829 --> 00:35:17,329
And

927
00:35:17,710 --> 00:35:19,309
made a good bit of money and help

928
00:35:19,309 --> 00:35:21,150
send kids to college, and I'm so proud

929
00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:22,909
of that. I I really am am I'm

930
00:35:22,909 --> 00:35:25,562
pleased we did that. But the 1 move

931
00:35:25,562 --> 00:35:29,657
that really lit up our cast was contacting

932
00:35:30,356 --> 00:35:31,155
comedy sports,

933
00:35:32,047 --> 00:35:35,168
improv Olympics and the places where people

934
00:35:35,621 --> 00:35:38,878
do stuff on the fly with their imagination

935
00:35:38,878 --> 00:35:39,752
and use their voice.

936
00:35:40,404 --> 00:35:42,322
These people are brilliant.

937
00:35:42,801 --> 00:35:45,757
They have such great imaginations. They have such

938
00:35:45,757 --> 00:35:46,257
creativity.

939
00:35:46,796 --> 00:35:48,075
Okay? Amanda Phillips.

940
00:35:48,648 --> 00:35:51,432
Chris Rant both out of that world, right?

941
00:35:51,671 --> 00:35:52,625
Where you can think.

942
00:35:53,182 --> 00:35:54,716
Alright? If I had

943
00:35:55,583 --> 00:35:57,912
an audition and I had a stage actor

944
00:35:58,208 --> 00:36:00,275
or a video actor, I knew it right

945
00:36:00,275 --> 00:36:02,342
away. But if I had somebody who had

946
00:36:02,342 --> 00:36:04,012
to create the scene in their mind and

947
00:36:04,012 --> 00:36:05,340
then vocal it

948
00:36:05,938 --> 00:36:08,732
Bam. Different level. I mean, it's it's it's

949
00:36:08,732 --> 00:36:10,248
what I tell voice actors all the time.

950
00:36:10,807 --> 00:36:13,361
You need to say yes and I understand

951
00:36:13,361 --> 00:36:14,887
clearly without a shadow of a doubt that

952
00:36:14,887 --> 00:36:15,442
you mean know.

953
00:36:16,076 --> 00:36:17,345
And you need to do it with just

954
00:36:17,345 --> 00:36:17,820
your voice,

955
00:36:18,772 --> 00:36:21,548
and that was the differentiation. So we pull

956
00:36:21,548 --> 00:36:24,272
to together a the audition were fun. You

957
00:36:24,272 --> 00:36:26,106
know, it was a 6 year run. So

958
00:36:26,106 --> 00:36:28,817
the audition eventually moved out to Wheaton. Folks

959
00:36:28,817 --> 00:36:30,731
would come in, we'd cycle them through. We

960
00:36:30,731 --> 00:36:32,740
had the whole... Process. We had a runners,

961
00:36:33,617 --> 00:36:36,328
Brooks Sanford, who was very involved in the

962
00:36:36,328 --> 00:36:36,966
kids series.

963
00:36:37,604 --> 00:36:40,396
Would would sometimes be a wrangler. Right? She

964
00:36:40,396 --> 00:36:42,647
would she would be taking the audition forms

965
00:36:42,647 --> 00:36:44,405
and making sure all the information and sending

966
00:36:44,405 --> 00:36:46,643
them down, so everybody was getting involved, and,

967
00:36:46,723 --> 00:36:48,001
you know, that was a lot of fun

968
00:36:48,001 --> 00:36:50,653
too. So Great cast. So you're saying this

969
00:36:50,653 --> 00:36:53,210
took this took 6 years to produce from

970
00:36:53,210 --> 00:36:56,166
start to finish with. 6 contractors. Yeah. We

971
00:36:56,166 --> 00:36:56,965
did the rising.

972
00:36:57,298 --> 00:36:59,443
And that was kind of the swan song.

973
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,690
Tin dale did their run

974
00:37:02,063 --> 00:37:05,732
and helped us with the 12, and adult,

975
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:08,280
books, the 72 episodes, the kids drama,

976
00:37:08,837 --> 00:37:10,668
and then they said, you know, what we're

977
00:37:10,668 --> 00:37:13,056
kinda done. And I said, that's cool.

978
00:37:14,187 --> 00:37:16,260
I'm gonna give a shot to producing the

979
00:37:16,260 --> 00:37:17,536
rising. So I did the rising out of

980
00:37:17,536 --> 00:37:20,349
my own wallet to see if the sales

981
00:37:20,567 --> 00:37:21,067
would

982
00:37:21,922 --> 00:37:22,561
cover the cost.

983
00:37:23,213 --> 00:37:25,367
And it it took about 3 years to

984
00:37:25,367 --> 00:37:27,840
do so. And so I wasn't in a

985
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,392
position to do the other pre and the

986
00:37:30,392 --> 00:37:32,920
sequel, people have asked about that constantly, but

987
00:37:33,277 --> 00:37:35,745
I I think the rising is fantastic. I

988
00:37:35,745 --> 00:37:37,655
think it's 1 of my best productions. You

989
00:37:37,655 --> 00:37:39,565
know, it kinda came after the bell curve,

990
00:37:39,724 --> 00:37:41,237
and honestly, a lot of people don't even

991
00:37:41,237 --> 00:37:43,244
know it's out there. So... Yeah. So doing

992
00:37:43,244 --> 00:37:45,565
this over 6 years, so there was a

993
00:37:45,885 --> 00:37:47,405
behind the scenes thing I watched a long

994
00:37:47,405 --> 00:37:48,845
time ago from Star trek Voyager,

995
00:37:49,565 --> 00:37:52,534
and the actress that played Bo torres Roxanne

996
00:37:52,534 --> 00:37:53,171
and Dawson.

997
00:37:53,729 --> 00:37:56,041
She talked about when she auditioned for that

998
00:37:56,041 --> 00:37:56,359
show,

999
00:37:56,997 --> 00:37:58,885
she realized that she was gonna

1000
00:37:59,242 --> 00:38:01,886
beginning into, like, a multi year multi season

1001
00:38:02,418 --> 00:38:04,562
show and it was, like, this big decision

1002
00:38:04,562 --> 00:38:05,912
for because I think it was her very...

1003
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:07,659
It was like, her biggest role she'd ever

1004
00:38:07,659 --> 00:38:07,897
had.

1005
00:38:08,789 --> 00:38:11,026
And she realized in that moment. Like, if

1006
00:38:11,106 --> 00:38:12,704
I say yes to this, this is like

1007
00:38:12,704 --> 00:38:14,462
a family I'm joining. It's not just a

1008
00:38:14,462 --> 00:38:16,240
job because I'm gonna be part of this

1009
00:38:16,473 --> 00:38:18,460
or however for many years is an actress

1010
00:38:18,460 --> 00:38:20,048
and then how many years after that I'd

1011
00:38:20,048 --> 00:38:22,909
like fan conventions and stuff like that. What

1012
00:38:22,909 --> 00:38:24,839
was that like signing up these actors

1013
00:38:25,228 --> 00:38:26,817
did they realize that this is gonna be

1014
00:38:26,817 --> 00:38:29,517
a 6 year or beyond commitment like, I

1015
00:38:29,517 --> 00:38:31,264
didn't get people to to sign on to

1016
00:38:31,264 --> 00:38:33,012
that? What you mean to say?

1017
00:38:33,905 --> 00:38:35,905
Zach. Is... Did I realize this was going

1018
00:38:35,905 --> 00:38:36,224
to be...

1019
00:38:37,744 --> 00:38:40,464
It does start with you. Yes. You're going

1020
00:38:40,464 --> 00:38:41,764
to live and breathe

1021
00:38:42,638 --> 00:38:45,272
tribulation for the next 5 to 6 years.

1022
00:38:45,432 --> 00:38:48,007
So not quite years, but... Yeah. The interesting

1023
00:38:48,226 --> 00:38:50,142
the interesting thing about that is that a

1024
00:38:50,142 --> 00:38:51,121
lot of the folks

1025
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:56,129
that ended up being core actors came in

1026
00:38:56,129 --> 00:38:56,925
as something else.

1027
00:38:58,277 --> 00:39:00,266
Alright. There's a voice in episode 1.

1028
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:03,237
And I believe you have a clip or

1029
00:39:03,237 --> 00:39:06,434
2 from episode 1. We... This might be

1030
00:39:06,434 --> 00:39:08,032
a good place to drop that in because

1031
00:39:08,032 --> 00:39:10,523
it talks about the velocity video production but

1032
00:39:10,523 --> 00:39:11,718
we can also talk about some of the

1033
00:39:11,718 --> 00:39:14,108
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1065
00:40:35,487 --> 00:40:37,561
that Todd already mentioned We actually have 2

1066
00:40:37,561 --> 00:40:38,699
clips that generously

1067
00:40:39,076 --> 00:40:41,548
provided from the archives of the Gap digital

1068
00:40:41,548 --> 00:40:44,432
studios, chapter 2, herald the end times from

1069
00:40:44,432 --> 00:40:46,661
the eyes to the ears. So, yes, some

1070
00:40:46,661 --> 00:40:48,173
actors that started out with kind of a

1071
00:40:48,173 --> 00:40:50,641
bit role like, for example, a baseball announcer,

1072
00:40:51,371 --> 00:40:53,298
would later go on to get a much

1073
00:40:53,433 --> 00:40:56,684
larger platform in the series Main cast. Let's

1074
00:40:56,684 --> 00:40:59,738
go ahead and here 1 little, clip from

1075
00:40:59,794 --> 00:41:02,338
episode 1 of the left behind audio drama

1076
00:41:02,338 --> 00:41:04,484
and see if you using just your ears

1077
00:41:04,484 --> 00:41:06,551
and your imagination can tell what's going on.

1078
00:41:18,354 --> 00:41:18,753
Hello?

1079
00:41:20,588 --> 00:41:20,986
Still.

1080
00:41:22,502 --> 00:41:23,060
Not at all.

1081
00:41:24,336 --> 00:41:26,192
Oh it's very nice.

1082
00:41:26,743 --> 00:41:29,128
Right here. I've got the bog on. It's

1083
00:41:29,128 --> 00:41:30,559
iced tea. Alliance.

1084
00:41:32,070 --> 00:41:33,978
Oh, Chester says hello.

1085
00:41:35,989 --> 00:41:36,489
Hello

1086
00:41:39,989 --> 00:41:40,309
Okay.

1087
00:41:42,564 --> 00:41:44,878
No. That's fine. Call as late as you

1088
00:41:44,878 --> 00:41:45,277
need to.

1089
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:48,470
Well,

1090
00:41:49,028 --> 00:41:50,545
why wouldn't I be here?

1091
00:41:52,469 --> 00:41:53,822
Right. Talk to you then.

1092
00:41:56,844 --> 00:41:58,913
We're keeping our eye we don't expect it

1093
00:41:58,913 --> 00:42:01,231
to grow due to its massive pressure area,

1094
00:42:01,390 --> 00:42:03,453
which I continues to provide great weather for

1095
00:42:03,453 --> 00:42:05,596
the 7 portion of the country. Moving on

1096
00:42:05,596 --> 00:42:08,238
to our forecast, another beautiful they had that

1097
00:42:08,238 --> 00:42:11,036
for tomorrow. Spend time throughout the day, temperatures

1098
00:42:11,036 --> 00:42:13,432
right around our normal, and our computer modeling

1099
00:42:13,432 --> 00:42:14,492
show at least 4

1100
00:42:16,563 --> 00:42:18,712
on until after breakfast tomorrow.

1101
00:42:19,428 --> 00:42:21,338
Don't want you cutting any deals on it.

1102
00:42:22,611 --> 00:42:24,362
But we do recommend as that you get

1103
00:42:24,362 --> 00:42:26,049
some shut eye. It's a long ride to

1104
00:42:26,049 --> 00:42:28,384
the camp, and we've got a tough week

1105
00:42:28,442 --> 00:42:28,840
ahead of us.

1106
00:42:29,878 --> 00:42:31,871
Now, if you can't sleep, please, at least

1107
00:42:31,871 --> 00:42:33,706
keep it down so that others can. You

1108
00:42:33,706 --> 00:42:35,301
freshman are listening. Right?

1109
00:42:38,104 --> 00:42:40,413
More importantly, we don't want to bother our

1110
00:42:40,413 --> 00:42:42,324
driver Later tonight, We're gonna be in the

1111
00:42:42,324 --> 00:42:44,235
mountains and that's no fun the station Wagon

1112
00:42:44,235 --> 00:42:46,000
look alone this big monster. Right?

1113
00:42:47,193 --> 00:42:48,943
This might also be a good time to

1114
00:42:48,943 --> 00:42:51,250
be praying that some great things will be

1115
00:42:51,250 --> 00:42:52,933
held happening this week. Hey?

1116
00:42:53,965 --> 00:42:55,872
Right well, and lord willing, we'll see you

1117
00:42:55,872 --> 00:42:56,507
in the morning.

1118
00:42:59,367 --> 00:43:01,036
That you all had me from that first.

1119
00:43:01,685 --> 00:43:04,225
Episode in that moment to just kind of

1120
00:43:04,225 --> 00:43:07,321
setting the table entering the world of left

1121
00:43:07,321 --> 00:43:10,074
behind a world ready for a rap first

1122
00:43:10,513 --> 00:43:12,428
So much information packed into there, but Tata

1123
00:43:12,428 --> 00:43:14,662
wanna hear from you about the logic behind

1124
00:43:14,662 --> 00:43:16,418
that scene, which isn't in the book, but

1125
00:43:16,418 --> 00:43:18,741
which is definitely set in the book. Like,

1126
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:21,283
what what goes into that adaptation as you're

1127
00:43:21,283 --> 00:43:24,143
thinking about the philosophy and the creative there?

1128
00:43:24,794 --> 00:43:26,708
So this is was me walking into Tin

1129
00:43:26,708 --> 00:43:29,498
dale with my hair on fire saying, yeah.

1130
00:43:29,737 --> 00:43:31,889
It's gonna be based on your book, but

1131
00:43:31,889 --> 00:43:33,419
it's not gonna be word for word. And

1132
00:43:33,579 --> 00:43:34,777
I knew they would have to run it

1133
00:43:34,777 --> 00:43:38,294
up full and make sure that, Tim Le

1134
00:43:38,294 --> 00:43:40,291
hey and Jerry Jenkins we're gonna be okay

1135
00:43:40,291 --> 00:43:41,570
with that. And that's where...

1136
00:43:42,144 --> 00:43:44,079
You know, the risk was, but

1137
00:43:45,334 --> 00:43:46,929
sound is emo.

1138
00:43:47,965 --> 00:43:50,836
Right? And so what I was displaying with

1139
00:43:50,836 --> 00:43:53,398
that scene and there's elements similar to that

1140
00:43:53,398 --> 00:43:55,226
in the demo that I took Ind is

1141
00:43:55,226 --> 00:43:55,726
that

1142
00:43:56,260 --> 00:43:57,555
I want this to be

1143
00:43:58,327 --> 00:44:01,053
as much about sound telling you a story

1144
00:44:01,684 --> 00:44:02,664
as words

1145
00:44:03,045 --> 00:44:06,164
telling you story because we have that potential

1146
00:44:06,244 --> 00:44:08,244
That's what audio drama does. It allows you

1147
00:44:08,244 --> 00:44:09,304
to use sound

1148
00:44:09,778 --> 00:44:11,766
to tell a story. So we're layering.

1149
00:44:12,403 --> 00:44:14,630
Okay? If you can listen to 1 of

1150
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:15,903
any 3 things,

1151
00:44:17,114 --> 00:44:19,830
and my intent is to get that same

1152
00:44:19,830 --> 00:44:22,067
vibe going. And I do this numerous places.

1153
00:44:22,706 --> 00:44:24,280
Once we're on the

1154
00:44:24,797 --> 00:44:27,189
airplane heading over, and I believe that's in

1155
00:44:27,189 --> 00:44:29,420
the second clip. This is called before and

1156
00:44:29,420 --> 00:44:29,819
after,

1157
00:44:30,377 --> 00:44:31,754
and this is

1158
00:44:32,703 --> 00:44:34,931
the way that sound is being used. Now

1159
00:44:34,931 --> 00:44:36,148
some of it is borrowed

1160
00:44:36,841 --> 00:44:39,467
from the book. Yes, So it connects to

1161
00:44:39,467 --> 00:44:42,267
the book. But it's more about using sound

1162
00:44:42,267 --> 00:44:45,710
to tell the story so the legendary, unbelievable

1163
00:44:45,926 --> 00:44:46,801
actress flo sc,

1164
00:44:48,009 --> 00:44:50,157
taking the phone call there with Chester the

1165
00:44:50,157 --> 00:44:52,305
cat on her lap, we have crickets.

1166
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:53,339
Right?

1167
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:57,594
A very evo and for many a comforting

1168
00:44:57,652 --> 00:44:59,186
sound. We have

1169
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:02,507
a baseball announcer that if you listen to

1170
00:45:02,507 --> 00:45:05,143
him says beautiful night here Buzz feel. Okay?

1171
00:45:05,460 --> 00:45:07,997
That's Greg Lac, who eventually became Sean on

1172
00:45:08,315 --> 00:45:08,632
Judah.

1173
00:45:09,266 --> 00:45:11,272
That's part of the casting hierarchy

1174
00:45:11,818 --> 00:45:11,978
Fun.

1175
00:45:12,694 --> 00:45:15,242
But, yeah, Greg was just in doing bit

1176
00:45:15,242 --> 00:45:15,480
parts.

1177
00:45:16,117 --> 00:45:18,846
1 other casting note, or in the early

1178
00:45:19,062 --> 00:45:19,562
episodes

1179
00:45:19,874 --> 00:45:21,710
We used a gentleman by the name of

1180
00:45:21,869 --> 00:45:22,588
Dan Tu,

1181
00:45:23,067 --> 00:45:26,979
who was in his eighties sounded great as

1182
00:45:26,979 --> 00:45:30,340
a as an eighties actor He said, you

1183
00:45:30,340 --> 00:45:32,643
should you should call my daughter. You should

1184
00:45:32,643 --> 00:45:35,581
call my daughter. His daughter was pam tu

1185
00:45:35,581 --> 00:45:38,041
who had a big run as Hannah peel.

1186
00:45:39,090 --> 00:45:41,476
So a lot of this going on, But

1187
00:45:41,476 --> 00:45:43,067
back to the layering, so we've got all

1188
00:45:43,067 --> 00:45:44,681
these layers, but then

1189
00:45:46,264 --> 00:45:49,047
1 of the most powerful and fun characters

1190
00:45:49,047 --> 00:45:51,193
that work with is the composer.

1191
00:45:51,909 --> 00:45:53,181
So I told Steve.

1192
00:45:53,738 --> 00:45:54,135
Yeah.

1193
00:45:54,612 --> 00:45:54,771
Okay.

1194
00:45:55,424 --> 00:45:58,061
In retrospect, guys, actually, I would have had

1195
00:45:58,061 --> 00:46:00,219
float not hit why wouldn't I be here

1196
00:46:00,219 --> 00:46:02,136
so hard? You know, I just have her

1197
00:46:02,136 --> 00:46:04,547
kind throat. Why wouldn't I be? Throw that

1198
00:46:04,547 --> 00:46:07,259
away, and let Steve tell the listener,

1199
00:46:07,977 --> 00:46:10,369
what she just said was important, which he

1200
00:46:10,369 --> 00:46:12,603
did with a nice, what else is motive,

1201
00:46:13,081 --> 00:46:14,053
low end. Right?

1202
00:46:15,169 --> 00:46:17,320
In some of the scenes later in this

1203
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:17,718
series,

1204
00:46:18,276 --> 00:46:20,768
there's so much going on, you got apocalyptic

1205
00:46:21,463 --> 00:46:23,215
earthquake stuff falling all all over the place,

1206
00:46:23,788 --> 00:46:25,860
you can only fit so much into an

1207
00:46:25,860 --> 00:46:28,967
audio landscape before the ear is the ear

1208
00:46:28,967 --> 00:46:30,481
fatigue and the listener checks out.

1209
00:46:31,294 --> 00:46:33,052
The number 1 way to get that across

1210
00:46:33,052 --> 00:46:34,650
is just pumping the low end, so you

1211
00:46:34,650 --> 00:46:37,207
get that 50 cycle. And not everybody's gonna

1212
00:46:37,207 --> 00:46:38,405
be able to hear it if they're on

1213
00:46:38,405 --> 00:46:40,918
cheap earbuds, not gonna be there, but it'll

1214
00:46:40,978 --> 00:46:43,215
lean up into the hundred 20 hundred 50

1215
00:46:43,215 --> 00:46:46,671
cycle. Low end just tells you... Okay. Something's

1216
00:46:46,731 --> 00:46:49,775
going important. Right. And and that's so key

1217
00:46:49,775 --> 00:46:52,662
because, like, I've been listening to these major

1218
00:46:52,879 --> 00:46:55,347
studio produced audio drama podcast.

1219
00:46:56,393 --> 00:46:58,296
Just with with some big name, like A

1220
00:46:58,296 --> 00:46:59,010
list actors,

1221
00:46:59,802 --> 00:47:02,022
and and they're they're just overwhelming to me.

1222
00:47:02,181 --> 00:47:03,315
Like, it it's

1223
00:47:03,863 --> 00:47:05,217
there was 1 I listened to. It started

1224
00:47:05,217 --> 00:47:06,970
out as a really interesting concept. It was

1225
00:47:06,970 --> 00:47:08,882
like, a guide a radio station and there's

1226
00:47:08,882 --> 00:47:10,657
a blackout. And so

1227
00:47:11,048 --> 00:47:12,480
People are still able to call on their

1228
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,184
cell phones, and he's taking calls into very

1229
00:47:15,184 --> 00:47:17,411
simple format, very very minimal foley.

1230
00:47:17,983 --> 00:47:19,253
But now it's in season 2,

1231
00:47:19,889 --> 00:47:22,906
and there's like, car explosions and bridges blowing

1232
00:47:22,906 --> 00:47:24,891
up and airplanes crashing, and there's just like,

1233
00:47:25,209 --> 00:47:27,529
way too much going on. I'm like, Yeah.

1234
00:47:27,689 --> 00:47:30,166
You can't take a Hollywood movie and cram

1235
00:47:30,166 --> 00:47:33,362
it into my earbuds, like, it doesn't work.

1236
00:47:33,522 --> 00:47:34,960
And I really like what you did when

1237
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:35,600
that scene there.

1238
00:47:36,334 --> 00:47:38,971
Where there's just the the really simple sounds

1239
00:47:38,971 --> 00:47:40,889
of, like you said, the crickets, the cat,

1240
00:47:41,368 --> 00:47:43,366
the iced tea, the the Tv and the

1241
00:47:43,366 --> 00:47:46,034
background, it's like, oh, I'm listening to

1242
00:47:46,488 --> 00:47:48,319
a woman in her own home at night

1243
00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:49,672
talking to someone on the phone. And then,

1244
00:47:49,751 --> 00:47:51,741
like you said that that loan note that

1245
00:47:51,741 --> 00:47:53,492
drops and goes, oh, I should pay attention

1246
00:47:53,492 --> 00:47:55,261
to this, And I love that part. I...

1247
00:47:55,501 --> 00:47:57,255
I know it's gonna happen by way like

1248
00:47:57,255 --> 00:47:59,910
oh, this person's gonna get rapture, like, it's

1249
00:47:59,968 --> 00:48:01,817
immediate, but it doesn't tell you that. There's

1250
00:48:01,817 --> 00:48:04,444
no narrator who's saying a little did she

1251
00:48:04,444 --> 00:48:07,150
know. Yeah. You are feeling it before. Yeah.

1252
00:48:07,309 --> 00:48:09,355
What like exactly... Let's go ahead and finish

1253
00:48:09,474 --> 00:48:11,306
the scene the other half there of this

1254
00:48:11,306 --> 00:48:13,297
is the after part. Let's go ahead and

1255
00:48:13,297 --> 00:48:15,289
queue that up and you can comments on

1256
00:48:15,289 --> 00:48:16,882
that before we move on to the rest

1257
00:48:16,882 --> 00:48:18,769
of the tribulation because the guys that wraps

1258
00:48:18,969 --> 00:48:19,765
only the beginning.

1259
00:48:26,219 --> 00:48:27,994
Something has happened here. I

1260
00:48:28,371 --> 00:48:29,284
I don't see

1261
00:48:30,612 --> 00:48:31,725
Jacob was on second.

1262
00:48:33,315 --> 00:48:34,269
Jacob was on.

1263
00:48:36,415 --> 00:48:38,028
Let tell I'm seeing thanks

1264
00:48:39,219 --> 00:48:39,719
look

1265
00:48:41,859 --> 00:48:42,359
folks

1266
00:48:43,539 --> 00:48:44,339
some running item.

1267
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:53,299
Excuse me

1268
00:48:54,088 --> 00:48:56,958
Trouble man. It's my husband. Yeah, does he

1269
00:48:56,958 --> 00:49:00,327
need something? He's gone. I'm sorry? He he's

1270
00:49:00,385 --> 00:49:00,704
disappears.

1271
00:49:01,421 --> 00:49:03,672
Ma'am, it he probably slipped off to the

1272
00:49:03,672 --> 00:49:05,270
washroom while you were sleeping. I'm I'm sure

1273
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:08,067
he'll be. Would you mind checking and take

1274
00:49:08,067 --> 00:49:08,786
this blanket?

1275
00:49:10,077 --> 00:49:11,505
Pete he's gone off naked.

1276
00:49:12,297 --> 00:49:13,963
He's a religious person and I know he

1277
00:49:13,963 --> 00:49:15,390
would be terribly embarrassed.

1278
00:49:16,738 --> 00:49:17,690
He's gone off.

1279
00:49:19,301 --> 00:49:19,541
See.

1280
00:49:21,376 --> 00:49:22,813
Well, maybe you should ask this fellow.

1281
00:49:23,371 --> 00:49:23,871
1

1282
00:49:24,649 --> 00:49:25,207
next to me.

1283
00:49:26,579 --> 00:49:28,099
The 1 that was wearing that soup.

1284
00:49:29,539 --> 00:49:31,219
I'll I'll be right back. Todd, I don't

1285
00:49:31,219 --> 00:49:32,659
have to ask you what's happening in that

1286
00:49:32,659 --> 00:49:34,992
scene because we just heard it. There's no

1287
00:49:34,992 --> 00:49:36,902
need for narrator, no need for commentary, but

1288
00:49:36,902 --> 00:49:38,835
nevertheless, I want to know some about the

1289
00:49:38,972 --> 00:49:40,166
adaptation going into that scene.

1290
00:49:40,882 --> 00:49:42,713
Yeah. I mean, Zachary you make a good

1291
00:49:42,713 --> 00:49:44,066
point. There's only so much you can take,

1292
00:49:44,145 --> 00:49:45,435
but at the same time,

1293
00:49:46,152 --> 00:49:46,652
sometimes,

1294
00:49:47,586 --> 00:49:48,086
chaos

1295
00:49:48,462 --> 00:49:51,808
is what needs to be communicated. So if

1296
00:49:51,808 --> 00:49:53,934
if you don't pull back and allow... But

1297
00:49:54,212 --> 00:49:56,512
the scene to breathe, you can overdo it.

1298
00:49:57,147 --> 00:49:57,647
But

1299
00:49:58,337 --> 00:50:00,796
what I wanted was a sense of confusion.

1300
00:50:00,954 --> 00:50:03,196
So if you listen to com. He's doing

1301
00:50:03,196 --> 00:50:05,908
the Ra announcement. We're gonna pass out for

1302
00:50:05,908 --> 00:50:09,418
an entry cards. There's a mom running around

1303
00:50:09,577 --> 00:50:12,105
Jessica, Jessica, and she's got a little panic

1304
00:50:12,463 --> 00:50:14,531
voice. Okay. Mh. Which is adding to it.

1305
00:50:14,690 --> 00:50:16,122
And then you got the conversation if you

1306
00:50:16,122 --> 00:50:17,236
wanna stay front in center,

1307
00:50:17,873 --> 00:50:21,302
You got Chris, inner talking about the person

1308
00:50:21,302 --> 00:50:23,229
who was just sitting

1309
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,821
next to them. And the whole thing, and

1310
00:50:25,821 --> 00:50:28,464
then we've got Steve little just a tiny

1311
00:50:28,464 --> 00:50:30,385
bit of low end. Our composer just a

1312
00:50:30,385 --> 00:50:31,984
little bit of low end and they're telling

1313
00:50:31,984 --> 00:50:33,525
out, okay. Something's

1314
00:50:33,905 --> 00:50:34,224
different.

1315
00:50:34,797 --> 00:50:38,239
Okay. The other thing is sounds. Okay. An

1316
00:50:38,852 --> 00:50:39,727
unanswered phone.

1317
00:50:40,363 --> 00:50:40,681
Yes.

1318
00:50:41,237 --> 00:50:42,112
Subtly saying...

1319
00:50:43,003 --> 00:50:43,482
Lonely.

1320
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,019
The cat

1321
00:50:45,557 --> 00:50:45,876
troubled.

1322
00:50:46,514 --> 00:50:48,588
And if you wanna listen to Greg doing

1323
00:50:48,588 --> 00:50:50,206
the aaa ball call

1324
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:52,673
I'm almost certain Kobe was on second.

1325
00:50:53,551 --> 00:50:54,828
So layering.

1326
00:50:55,307 --> 00:50:57,701
And, you know, if I feed you 1

1327
00:50:57,701 --> 00:50:58,020
thing,

1328
00:50:58,991 --> 00:51:01,534
That 1 thing has to be compelling, and

1329
00:51:01,534 --> 00:51:05,190
maybe your world doesn't resonate with whatever that

1330
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:07,273
1 thing is. But if I put 3

1331
00:51:07,273 --> 00:51:10,003
in, even if none of them are absolutely

1332
00:51:10,140 --> 00:51:10,776
your jam,

1333
00:51:11,334 --> 00:51:13,961
there's this sense of chaos that's being developed.

1334
00:51:14,534 --> 00:51:15,973
On the fact that you got 3 things

1335
00:51:15,973 --> 00:51:18,210
coming on. And Zach your point is again,

1336
00:51:18,450 --> 00:51:20,688
very well taken. It can't be overwhelming. Yeah.

1337
00:51:20,848 --> 00:51:22,467
And that's why you try to balance

1338
00:51:22,925 --> 00:51:23,805
all those things.

1339
00:51:24,538 --> 00:51:27,008
We did this another favorite moment of mine

1340
00:51:27,008 --> 00:51:28,703
is in the cockpit

1341
00:51:29,557 --> 00:51:30,057
where

1342
00:51:30,434 --> 00:51:33,701
Hat has just informed Ra that people are

1343
00:51:33,701 --> 00:51:34,074
missing

1344
00:51:34,751 --> 00:51:36,501
and he comes back and gets on the

1345
00:51:36,501 --> 00:51:37,001
radio

1346
00:51:37,535 --> 00:51:40,239
and his c pilot is listening to a

1347
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,865
speed bird trying to contact our app now

1348
00:51:42,865 --> 00:51:45,117
ng 1 of the things that I'm obsessive

1349
00:51:45,117 --> 00:51:48,073
over is accurate language. So if you're gonna

1350
00:51:48,073 --> 00:51:48,473
do cop,

1351
00:51:49,352 --> 00:51:52,103
talk cop. If you're gonna do aviation, talk

1352
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,939
aviation, study it and make it authentic.

1353
00:51:55,574 --> 00:51:57,480
You know, as a writer, if you're pho

1354
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:57,798
it in,

1355
00:51:59,148 --> 00:52:02,268
10 4 there control, you know, I'm out.

1356
00:52:03,147 --> 00:52:04,286
I I... It's

1357
00:52:04,745 --> 00:52:06,663
it's not that hard to really go authentic.

1358
00:52:06,823 --> 00:52:09,061
So we really went the extra mile. I

1359
00:52:09,061 --> 00:52:09,960
actually sat

1360
00:52:10,353 --> 00:52:13,160
on a transatlantic landing flight and talked to

1361
00:52:13,376 --> 00:52:16,479
the spare pilot because flights over x number

1362
00:52:16,479 --> 00:52:18,627
of hours. They gotta rotate. This guy came

1363
00:52:18,627 --> 00:52:20,954
out took a seat. I said, listen I

1364
00:52:20,954 --> 00:52:22,469
know you're gonna catch some shut. And I

1365
00:52:22,469 --> 00:52:23,904
bend your ear for just 2 minutes. He

1366
00:52:23,904 --> 00:52:26,398
said, oh, sure. And we talked about Rf

1367
00:52:26,456 --> 00:52:28,392
and S wick and all the things

1368
00:52:28,784 --> 00:52:31,648
that they do on transatlantic crossings because you're

1369
00:52:31,648 --> 00:52:34,434
away from. Radio, you're using Rf, you repeat

1370
00:52:34,434 --> 00:52:37,140
the name twice, and there's all these things.

1371
00:52:37,299 --> 00:52:38,038
And so

1372
00:52:38,349 --> 00:52:40,347
the Rf radio has a higher degree of

1373
00:52:40,347 --> 00:52:42,045
static. And so when Rae

1374
00:52:42,663 --> 00:52:43,163
responds,

1375
00:52:44,181 --> 00:52:45,060
and he says,

1376
00:52:46,112 --> 00:52:47,068
Chan wick S wick,

1377
00:52:48,104 --> 00:52:48,661
Speed bird,

1378
00:52:49,697 --> 00:52:50,675
Pan heavy

1379
00:52:51,052 --> 00:52:51,950
and there's just

1380
00:52:53,619 --> 00:52:56,436
that is 1 of my favorite emo sounds

1381
00:52:56,974 --> 00:52:57,474
because

1382
00:52:58,253 --> 00:53:00,970
people aren't there. Yeah. People are flying the

1383
00:53:00,970 --> 00:53:03,129
plane. It's absolutely absolutely for all we know

1384
00:53:03,129 --> 00:53:05,269
the plane is down in the drink at

1385
00:53:05,269 --> 00:53:08,598
this point. People gone. So emphasize Static.

1386
00:53:09,882 --> 00:53:10,938
Can be motive

1387
00:53:11,311 --> 00:53:13,376
for listeners in this podcast. This is just

1388
00:53:13,376 --> 00:53:15,757
the first episode. Y'all had to do this

1389
00:53:15,757 --> 00:53:17,122
143

1390
00:53:17,122 --> 00:53:17,758
more times,

1391
00:53:18,394 --> 00:53:20,303
not always on a flight, not always at

1392
00:53:20,303 --> 00:53:23,268
the rapture, but you had even more complex

1393
00:53:23,643 --> 00:53:26,108
special effects happening, and then Todd after a

1394
00:53:26,108 --> 00:53:26,608
while

1395
00:53:27,078 --> 00:53:29,790
y'all did the first 36 episodes covering the

1396
00:53:29,790 --> 00:53:32,742
end of Nikola nikolai, which really even after

1397
00:53:32,742 --> 00:53:35,054
a world war, you raised the bar there

1398
00:53:35,054 --> 00:53:37,784
with that last episode 36. And I'm I'm

1399
00:53:37,784 --> 00:53:39,781
burning through these things, you know, because the

1400
00:53:39,781 --> 00:53:42,098
only way to listen. And what was this

1401
00:53:42,098 --> 00:53:43,617
the year 4001,

1402
00:53:43,776 --> 00:53:44,975
I forget when it was I got

1403
00:53:45,629 --> 00:53:47,465
drama 3. The only way to listen is

1404
00:53:47,465 --> 00:53:49,381
to have 1 of those big stereo with

1405
00:53:49,381 --> 00:53:51,557
the Cd rack that you carry around and

1406
00:53:51,936 --> 00:53:53,772
no what no no M mp threes, there's

1407
00:53:53,772 --> 00:53:55,939
no bluetooth at y'all all now I wasn't

1408
00:53:55,939 --> 00:53:58,644
necessarily listening to this on Cassette, but the

1409
00:53:58,723 --> 00:54:00,394
Cds were the the top of the line

1410
00:54:00,394 --> 00:54:01,348
technology back then.

1411
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:04,700
And suddenly, there's this earthquake and, wow, I

1412
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:06,685
cannot imagine, we could have a whole episode

1413
00:54:06,685 --> 00:54:08,829
just about the challenges of mixing that without

1414
00:54:08,829 --> 00:54:10,996
the advantages of your Hollywood

1415
00:54:11,944 --> 00:54:13,802
special effects there, y'all are doing

1416
00:54:14,181 --> 00:54:15,321
disaster theater

1417
00:54:15,780 --> 00:54:18,817
and plague after plague after plague. And I

1418
00:54:18,817 --> 00:54:20,389
remember even when I was starting to

1419
00:54:20,828 --> 00:54:23,462
discover that, hey, y'all were actually pretty accessible.

1420
00:54:23,702 --> 00:54:24,601
I could just

1421
00:54:24,978 --> 00:54:25,478
email

1422
00:54:26,575 --> 00:54:28,351
the guy at the top of this studio

1423
00:54:28,410 --> 00:54:30,813
and bless your heart, you know, the servants

1424
00:54:30,813 --> 00:54:32,484
aren't there as well as being very busy

1425
00:54:32,484 --> 00:54:33,041
with the business.

1426
00:54:33,598 --> 00:54:35,587
You took time to correspond with me back

1427
00:54:35,587 --> 00:54:37,673
then, And I I was having idea like,

1428
00:54:37,833 --> 00:54:39,108
hey, I think this is what you should

1429
00:54:39,108 --> 00:54:40,781
do with the demon locusts and I forget

1430
00:54:40,781 --> 00:54:42,933
what I said, but I remember feeling very

1431
00:54:42,933 --> 00:54:45,420
validated when booked... 5 finally came out the

1432
00:54:45,420 --> 00:54:47,117
drama for that. Like, yeah. It sounds

1433
00:54:47,494 --> 00:54:49,250
basically, like what I thought they should do,

1434
00:54:49,410 --> 00:54:51,817
and I was looking forward to the plagues

1435
00:54:51,817 --> 00:54:53,884
are looking forward to the the meteor, the

1436
00:54:53,884 --> 00:54:55,792
demon locusts, Like, what are some of the

1437
00:54:55,792 --> 00:54:58,177
post production challenges they are coming up with

1438
00:54:58,177 --> 00:54:59,075
the sounds

1439
00:54:59,704 --> 00:55:00,684
of the great

1440
00:55:01,222 --> 00:55:03,140
tribulation and the first half, which isn't so

1441
00:55:03,140 --> 00:55:07,375
great. Well, Steven, momentum is a wonderfully dangerous

1442
00:55:07,375 --> 00:55:07,535
thing.

1443
00:55:08,344 --> 00:55:10,884
When when we're far enough into the series

1444
00:55:10,884 --> 00:55:14,217
that, you know, Tin said, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

1445
00:55:14,614 --> 00:55:15,114
So

1446
00:55:15,661 --> 00:55:17,406
we're probably gonna keep going with this. I

1447
00:55:17,406 --> 00:55:19,547
mean, they didn't guarantee it, but after the

1448
00:55:19,547 --> 00:55:21,768
first contract and the success of those episodes.

1449
00:55:22,165 --> 00:55:23,038
2 more contracts,

1450
00:55:23,689 --> 00:55:24,888
And at that point,

1451
00:55:25,847 --> 00:55:29,143
the president of Tin, mister Mark Taylor

1452
00:55:29,762 --> 00:55:31,280
dropped me a note and said,

1453
00:55:32,171 --> 00:55:32,966
soft spoken guy,

1454
00:55:33,682 --> 00:55:35,590
a brilliant guy. His father is the 1

1455
00:55:35,590 --> 00:55:37,419
who came up with the living bible, riding

1456
00:55:37,419 --> 00:55:39,486
the train down. Kenneth Taylor, of course. Yeah.

1457
00:55:39,724 --> 00:55:40,702
Yeah. So

1458
00:55:42,603 --> 00:55:43,159
taken over,

1459
00:55:44,034 --> 00:55:45,330
Mark Taylor. He

1460
00:55:46,660 --> 00:55:47,398
told me,

1461
00:55:48,012 --> 00:55:48,807
you know, Todd,

1462
00:55:50,573 --> 00:55:53,841
In the first 30 days of these episodes

1463
00:55:53,841 --> 00:55:54,718
airing on radio,

1464
00:55:55,435 --> 00:55:57,848
our hard covered sales, which were already

1465
00:55:59,197 --> 00:56:00,495
really record setting

1466
00:56:01,112 --> 00:56:01,431
tripled.

1467
00:56:02,468 --> 00:56:03,686
Oh, my goodness.

1468
00:56:04,543 --> 00:56:05,282
I never

1469
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:09,018
we're probably going to keep going. Like...

1470
00:56:11,007 --> 00:56:13,077
Was this good news, Todd or bad news?

1471
00:56:13,316 --> 00:56:15,798
Oh, no. It was Was phenomenal because here's

1472
00:56:15,798 --> 00:56:18,669
the thing momentum. Okay? So we're asking that

1473
00:56:18,669 --> 00:56:20,662
same question, Steven. How do we create this

1474
00:56:20,662 --> 00:56:22,895
sound. Oh. There's an interesting challenge. How do

1475
00:56:22,895 --> 00:56:24,410
we create this 1. I mean, you know,

1476
00:56:24,744 --> 00:56:27,058
series. There's all kinds of stuff that you

1477
00:56:27,058 --> 00:56:29,293
just can't dial up and say, wonder what

1478
00:56:29,293 --> 00:56:30,969
that sounds like, I'll listen to it from

1479
00:56:30,969 --> 00:56:32,485
a sound x library. No.

1480
00:56:33,138 --> 00:56:36,794
1 instance of that was that there a

1481
00:56:36,794 --> 00:56:37,691
scene where

1482
00:56:38,065 --> 00:56:41,324
chai and buck are trying to get out

1483
00:56:41,324 --> 00:56:41,824
of

1484
00:56:42,531 --> 00:56:45,155
town, and they ski steal a school bus,

1485
00:56:45,951 --> 00:56:47,859
crash it through a chain link fence where

1486
00:56:48,018 --> 00:56:49,927
Ken has the lea jet ramped up,

1487
00:56:50,579 --> 00:56:51,940
on the runway and,

1488
00:56:52,579 --> 00:56:55,539
you know, hail a gunfire through police ball

1489
00:56:55,539 --> 00:56:58,113
blockade all that stuff. They dive in, you

1490
00:56:58,113 --> 00:56:59,780
know, you talk about the opportunity to overdo

1491
00:56:59,780 --> 00:57:01,607
overdue it, Zach. This was this was primed

1492
00:57:01,607 --> 00:57:04,148
to overdo it. But... So I'm looking at

1493
00:57:04,148 --> 00:57:06,148
all the layers of this very short. Seen.

1494
00:57:06,387 --> 00:57:07,818
I mean, it's not more than 2 and

1495
00:57:07,818 --> 00:57:09,567
a half minutes, but there's a lot of

1496
00:57:09,567 --> 00:57:12,135
complexity. And I, what if. And so

1497
00:57:12,907 --> 00:57:15,065
that's where, you know, I I checked Bell

1498
00:57:15,065 --> 00:57:17,126
police was still off. I called up some

1499
00:57:17,126 --> 00:57:19,052
folks out in Rock, which is

1500
00:57:19,741 --> 00:57:21,327
about an hour west of where we're at.

1501
00:57:21,659 --> 00:57:23,090
And they had a they have a race

1502
00:57:23,090 --> 00:57:24,761
racetrack out there where they raise school buses,

1503
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:27,307
and they do so in a figure 8,

1504
00:57:28,753 --> 00:57:29,072
I go.

1505
00:57:29,867 --> 00:57:32,015
Okay. These are my guys. Picked up the

1506
00:57:32,015 --> 00:57:32,572
phone. Hey.

1507
00:57:33,765 --> 00:57:35,754
Any chance you guys would be willing to

1508
00:57:35,754 --> 00:57:37,026
crash a school bus for?

1509
00:57:38,558 --> 00:57:40,795
This is such man stuff. I just love

1510
00:57:40,795 --> 00:57:41,035
this.

1511
00:57:42,313 --> 00:57:43,192
Half a beat and...

1512
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:44,870
Yeah.

1513
00:57:47,191 --> 00:57:48,701
There's only 1 way to get the sound

1514
00:57:48,701 --> 00:57:50,290
of a crashing school bus and it's 2.

1515
00:57:50,688 --> 00:57:53,151
And I said school bus. Okay. Let's go.

1516
00:57:53,390 --> 00:57:55,237
So we bought a station wagon at a

1517
00:57:55,237 --> 00:57:55,715
junkyard,

1518
00:57:56,274 --> 00:57:56,912
full glass,

1519
00:57:57,789 --> 00:57:59,385
everything in place, and we put it in

1520
00:57:59,385 --> 00:58:01,300
the middle of the Rock Speedway parking lot.

1521
00:58:01,873 --> 00:58:04,021
And we drove out there with the team.

1522
00:58:04,577 --> 00:58:07,521
I am bracing myself in the door of

1523
00:58:07,521 --> 00:58:08,316
the school bus,

1524
00:58:08,969 --> 00:58:12,159
with a fish pole and a stereo shotgun

1525
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:12,659
microphone

1526
00:58:13,036 --> 00:58:15,429
over the front bumper of the bus, and

1527
00:58:15,429 --> 00:58:17,184
we ram that poor day for wagon a

1528
00:58:17,184 --> 00:58:18,460
dozen times with the school bus.

1529
00:58:19,112 --> 00:58:19,589
And,

1530
00:58:20,305 --> 00:58:21,123
the car

1531
00:58:21,737 --> 00:58:23,089
was barely recognizable.

1532
00:58:23,646 --> 00:58:25,077
By the time we were done, the school

1533
00:58:25,077 --> 00:58:27,559
bus. At a slight coolant, and that was

1534
00:58:27,559 --> 00:58:30,025
it. Those things are tanks.

1535
00:58:30,661 --> 00:58:32,331
It's absolutely remarkable.

1536
00:58:32,824 --> 00:58:35,296
And then, for the Lee jet, our composer

1537
00:58:35,456 --> 00:58:37,291
Steve Wick, just happened to know a guy

1538
00:58:37,291 --> 00:58:38,806
at his church whose job was to sit

1539
00:58:38,806 --> 00:58:39,922
there and wait for the phone to ring.

1540
00:58:40,321 --> 00:58:42,315
Alright? Some guy with a lot of money.

1541
00:58:42,890 --> 00:58:45,130
Who would occasionally say, I wanna fly my

1542
00:58:45,130 --> 00:58:46,090
friends over to,

1543
00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:48,250
Michigan to watch the football game,

1544
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:50,822
fire up the Lea jet. So he had

1545
00:58:50,822 --> 00:58:53,137
to on a monthly basis, go and make

1546
00:58:53,137 --> 00:58:55,690
sure, you know, do certification process for the

1547
00:58:55,770 --> 00:58:57,286
Lee just to make sure the end is

1548
00:58:57,286 --> 00:58:57,925
running and everything.

1549
00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:00,179
Invited us along. So I'm on the phone

1550
00:59:00,179 --> 00:59:02,179
with Mark Jewelry out at focus, working

1551
00:59:02,900 --> 00:59:05,779
working on some odyssey stuff. And I'm following

1552
00:59:05,940 --> 00:59:09,075
Steve, onto the Tar at Bar aurora Airport,

1553
00:59:09,155 --> 00:59:10,755
and he turns around a corner, and here's

1554
00:59:10,755 --> 00:59:13,315
the hanger wide open, and I swear the

1555
00:59:13,315 --> 00:59:15,289
angels were singing because the lights were on

1556
00:59:15,409 --> 00:59:17,903
There was this beautiful shiny lee jets sitting

1557
00:59:18,121 --> 00:59:20,434
inside the hanger, and I said, Mark, I'm

1558
00:59:20,434 --> 00:59:22,268
gonna have to call you back and I

1559
00:59:22,268 --> 00:59:23,407
hung up on it

1560
00:59:24,901 --> 00:59:27,382
because you know, as an aviation geek. Suddenly,

1561
00:59:27,620 --> 00:59:29,290
I'm looking at this. And we got to

1562
00:59:29,290 --> 00:59:31,835
do everything. Ramping up the engines run and

1563
00:59:32,074 --> 00:59:35,288
I've got video of me running with the

1564
00:59:35,422 --> 00:59:38,591
recording rig towards the l jet as he's

1565
00:59:38,591 --> 00:59:41,223
spool up the engines, I dive in We

1566
00:59:41,223 --> 00:59:42,976
closed the door, and that's what we used

1567
00:59:42,976 --> 00:59:45,686
in that particular Amazing. There's nothing quite like

1568
00:59:45,686 --> 00:59:48,317
practical effects for a production. That's, like like

1569
00:59:48,317 --> 00:59:50,083
you said, you you could go through all

1570
00:59:50,083 --> 00:59:52,072
these digital libraries and now, of course, there's

1571
00:59:52,072 --> 00:59:55,015
all this Ai generated stuff, but actually being

1572
00:59:55,015 --> 00:59:57,890
there in physical. Space with an actual jet

1573
00:59:57,890 --> 00:59:59,956
or an actual school bus. Yeah. Just no

1574
00:59:59,956 --> 01:00:02,259
way to top that. That's... Yeah. That's amazing.

1575
01:00:02,418 --> 01:00:04,418
That's that's quite a dedication to craft there.

1576
01:00:04,577 --> 01:00:06,805
Well, I especially appreciate the time when you

1577
01:00:06,805 --> 01:00:08,340
all crashed and meteor,

1578
01:00:09,033 --> 01:00:11,022
into the Atlantic Ocean in order to get

1579
01:00:11,022 --> 01:00:13,583
that sound effect deep impact style. There Yeah.

1580
01:00:13,822 --> 01:00:16,533
That a lot work. Yeah. Y'all travel to

1581
01:00:16,772 --> 01:00:19,244
Frank Pre door in the Dragons throat, opened

1582
01:00:19,244 --> 01:00:21,715
it up and release the demonic locust horde.

1583
01:00:22,049 --> 01:00:24,842
In order to bite men for, 5 months

1584
01:00:24,842 --> 01:00:26,517
and then have them be tortured for an

1585
01:00:26,517 --> 01:00:28,831
additional 5 months that that was a bit

1586
01:00:28,831 --> 01:00:32,036
inconvenient Yeah. I signed a non disclosure agreement,

1587
01:00:32,115 --> 01:00:34,986
but, it's now expired. So Dolores at the

1588
01:00:35,385 --> 01:00:37,937
Nsa was huge in making that happen. She

1589
01:00:37,937 --> 01:00:40,265
was... You know, I dedicated the scene quietly.

1590
01:00:40,505 --> 01:00:41,860
I couldn't put it publicly in the credits,

1591
01:00:42,020 --> 01:00:44,572
but Dolores at the Nsa. She allowed us

1592
01:00:44,572 --> 01:00:46,407
access to... Props the Dolores, was she the

1593
01:00:46,407 --> 01:00:46,885
voice saying,

1594
01:00:47,842 --> 01:00:48,161
dawn.

1595
01:00:48,893 --> 01:00:51,194
Bought as a un accredited cameo, there a

1596
01:00:51,194 --> 01:00:51,749
lot of filters.

1597
01:00:52,463 --> 01:00:53,891
Now. That was a lot of people who

1598
01:00:53,891 --> 01:00:56,207
probably don't want their names associated with that

1599
01:00:56,207 --> 01:00:57,953
because there was a lot don't go want

1600
01:00:57,953 --> 01:01:00,438
to be demon people in a darkened room

1601
01:01:00,494 --> 01:01:03,273
around a suspicious burning shape in the floor

1602
01:01:03,273 --> 01:01:06,230
chanting the name of Abe but Yeah. Within

1603
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:08,064
a stone throw of the wheaton college campus,

1604
01:01:08,223 --> 01:01:09,818
we probably don't not talk more about that.

1605
01:01:10,057 --> 01:01:10,557
So

1606
01:01:11,014 --> 01:01:13,166
we could talk so much more about the...

1607
01:01:13,326 --> 01:01:16,699
Us assassination, Roger Mueller's performance, all the other

1608
01:01:16,699 --> 01:01:17,820
amazing, actors,

1609
01:01:18,539 --> 01:01:20,539
a Chris Fa adaptation. We already talked with

1610
01:01:20,619 --> 01:01:22,791
Chris Some about that. We gotta get to

1611
01:01:22,791 --> 01:01:24,782
the end here, Todd because you got places

1612
01:01:24,782 --> 01:01:26,216
to go, and I I know that you're

1613
01:01:26,216 --> 01:01:28,447
working next by the way, on that that

1614
01:01:28,447 --> 01:01:31,177
millennial kingdom drama with 1 episode

1615
01:01:31,648 --> 01:01:34,279
for each year of the millennial rain... Literal,

1616
01:01:34,678 --> 01:01:36,272
millennial reign of Christ on earth, of course.

1617
01:01:36,830 --> 01:01:39,222
Not a whole lot of killing involved there,

1618
01:01:39,381 --> 01:01:41,153
though, because millennial randy Crisis. I don't know

1619
01:01:41,153 --> 01:01:42,591
where the drama is gonna come from. But

1620
01:01:42,591 --> 01:01:44,269
anyway, let's pause for our third sponsor and

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Alright. Let's talk about the legacy of left

1668
01:03:37,891 --> 01:03:40,853
behind the dramatic audio siri, I cannot say

1669
01:03:40,853 --> 01:03:42,691
it like your announcer. And by the way,

1670
01:03:42,851 --> 01:03:44,130
there was an announcer in the middle, and

1671
01:03:44,130 --> 01:03:46,367
then the third announcer was Aqua aquaman. I

1672
01:03:46,367 --> 01:03:47,985
remember, he was Scott

1673
01:03:48,380 --> 01:03:50,457
justice league Scott Rum. Yes. Yeah. I mean,

1674
01:03:50,617 --> 01:03:52,855
Aqua aquaman a Christian now. So thrilled to

1675
01:03:52,855 --> 01:03:54,852
have Scott help out. Yeah. Yeah.

1676
01:03:55,572 --> 01:03:58,216
Unbelievable. And so Yeah a, a cool thing.

1677
01:03:58,375 --> 01:04:00,198
We had something we had something else going

1678
01:04:00,198 --> 01:04:02,497
in the studio Rex Carol came in and

1679
01:04:02,497 --> 01:04:04,717
laid down the Guitar lake, and, you know,

1680
01:04:05,605 --> 01:04:07,829
early Christian Rocker would know that name. So...

1681
01:04:08,147 --> 01:04:09,815
And and then AAA

1682
01:04:09,815 --> 01:04:12,992
phenomenal of a Trumpet player who is renowned

1683
01:04:12,992 --> 01:04:14,342
in the city, David Ge,

1684
01:04:15,071 --> 01:04:17,374
John Gig had some roles.

1685
01:04:18,248 --> 01:04:18,804
He was on,

1686
01:04:19,836 --> 01:04:22,377
Moody's staff, and he had a few roles

1687
01:04:22,377 --> 01:04:24,456
in the drama, but we got his, his

1688
01:04:24,456 --> 01:04:26,065
brother to come in and play Trumpet

1689
01:04:26,517 --> 01:04:29,450
on our theme, which we custom recorded, Steve

1690
01:04:29,450 --> 01:04:32,164
of course wrote that. We even had Erwin

1691
01:04:32,244 --> 01:04:35,765
Lu, pastor of Moody Church, do the recording

1692
01:04:35,765 --> 01:04:37,364
that was left behind,

1693
01:04:38,005 --> 01:04:38,505
and

1694
01:04:39,204 --> 01:04:41,613
you know, okay. Cool. I I gave him

1695
01:04:41,613 --> 01:04:44,713
a script for that, and he said, so

1696
01:04:44,952 --> 01:04:46,939
what is this? And I said, well, this

1697
01:04:46,939 --> 01:04:49,801
is the video tape that's left behind at

1698
01:04:49,801 --> 01:04:50,713
the church

1699
01:04:51,403 --> 01:04:53,943
that is to be played out. Oh, I

1700
01:04:53,943 --> 01:04:55,768
see. So he took the script and he

1701
01:04:55,768 --> 01:04:58,088
ran with it. He pasteur the He did

1702
01:04:58,088 --> 01:05:01,119
his own pastor it. Yeah. And it sounded

1703
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:03,990
very pastor. It was phenomenal. So we finished

1704
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:06,782
the first 12 episodes, and I saw I'm

1705
01:05:06,782 --> 01:05:07,442
a church

1706
01:05:07,913 --> 01:05:10,306
Julie and I attended, Moody Church. We met

1707
01:05:10,306 --> 01:05:12,699
there. He's performed our wedding. And so,

1708
01:05:13,655 --> 01:05:15,410
I saw I'm a church on Sunday right

1709
01:05:15,410 --> 01:05:16,925
after the first set of Cds came out,

1710
01:05:17,005 --> 01:05:17,817
and I... Faster.

1711
01:05:18,772 --> 01:05:19,568
Remember that

1712
01:05:20,046 --> 01:05:20,682
tape you did,

1713
01:05:21,478 --> 01:05:22,297
for our drama

1714
01:05:22,752 --> 01:05:25,219
here... Here's the final product. He said, this

1715
01:05:25,219 --> 01:05:26,811
this this is Lafayette High book 1.

1716
01:05:27,702 --> 01:05:30,092
Yes. Oh, praise God. No. I don't have

1717
01:05:30,092 --> 01:05:30,570
to read it.

1718
01:05:33,757 --> 01:05:35,510
It's even better than an audio block. You've

1719
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:37,379
got Yeah. Got it hold. Drama,

1720
01:05:38,072 --> 01:05:40,300
and then you all go from book 1

1721
01:05:40,300 --> 01:05:43,006
all the way through to book 12, which

1722
01:05:43,324 --> 01:05:45,649
released, I guess, 20 o 5, because by

1723
01:05:45,649 --> 01:05:47,322
then, y'all were having to go faster and

1724
01:05:47,322 --> 01:05:49,634
faster. And I think pump out 2 of

1725
01:05:49,634 --> 01:05:51,626
the pajamas per year instead of 1,

1726
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,599
I still remember your email, Todd, you're, sending

1727
01:05:54,599 --> 01:05:56,599
out to fans or you said faster, faster

1728
01:05:56,599 --> 01:05:57,000
you fool.

1729
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,530
Yeah. It's just feeling that pressure. But book

1730
01:06:00,530 --> 01:06:03,864
12 comes out. Those final, 12 episodes adapted

1731
01:06:03,864 --> 01:06:05,848
by the way, by Derby Ke, who's been

1732
01:06:05,848 --> 01:06:07,356
on, this show before and We're gonna have

1733
01:06:07,356 --> 01:06:09,199
him back to, right after you. Yep.

1734
01:06:10,478 --> 01:06:12,955
Jesus comes back in the book in in

1735
01:06:12,955 --> 01:06:15,113
20 o 4. So Lia know, They say

1736
01:06:15,113 --> 01:06:16,392
no 1 knows the day or hour, but

1737
01:06:16,472 --> 01:06:18,310
I do. It was in March of 2004.

1738
01:06:18,883 --> 01:06:20,558
He comes back, and there's a lot of

1739
01:06:20,558 --> 01:06:22,632
unique challenges now with adapting that. And I

1740
01:06:22,632 --> 01:06:24,227
just wanna hear some about that before we

1741
01:06:24,227 --> 01:06:25,423
then catch up to where you are now,

1742
01:06:25,503 --> 01:06:26,620
and then they'll send you on your way,

1743
01:06:26,780 --> 01:06:28,215
but what's it like then adapting?

1744
01:06:28,867 --> 01:06:31,962
Now, the glorious appearing, the the real final

1745
01:06:31,962 --> 01:06:34,660
final second coming of of Jesus Christ. Well,

1746
01:06:34,818 --> 01:06:35,398
this is

1747
01:06:36,088 --> 01:06:37,874
you're you're very good cog

1748
01:06:38,413 --> 01:06:39,632
recognizing the dangerous

1749
01:06:40,012 --> 01:06:42,968
territory that 1 wander into when 1 tries

1750
01:06:42,968 --> 01:06:43,788
to po

1751
01:06:44,407 --> 01:06:46,185
on what the glorious

1752
01:06:46,895 --> 01:06:50,173
appearing would actually sound like. And so we

1753
01:06:50,308 --> 01:06:51,443
tried to

1754
01:06:51,975 --> 01:06:54,198
put fences around it and just say, this

1755
01:06:54,198 --> 01:06:55,095
is 1

1756
01:06:56,195 --> 01:06:57,805
creation of a

1757
01:06:58,255 --> 01:07:02,163
possible scenario. This is an imagining. This is

1758
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:05,580
we are not making theological statements. We're not

1759
01:07:05,580 --> 01:07:06,080
es

1760
01:07:07,015 --> 01:07:08,632
experts. We are not po

1761
01:07:09,088 --> 01:07:10,843
on how we think it's going to be.

1762
01:07:11,162 --> 01:07:12,633
This is just our

1763
01:07:13,164 --> 01:07:14,672
interpretation. And for the most part, we didn't

1764
01:07:14,672 --> 01:07:17,076
get any blow bag, it's basically

1765
01:07:17,448 --> 01:07:20,797
designed to peak the imagination our What would

1766
01:07:20,797 --> 01:07:22,632
it be like? What would that feel like?

1767
01:07:22,792 --> 01:07:23,430
And mostly,

1768
01:07:24,148 --> 01:07:27,120
mostly, what we wanted was the emo content

1769
01:07:27,179 --> 01:07:29,093
again right back to episode 1. How does

1770
01:07:29,093 --> 01:07:29,970
this make you feel?

1771
01:07:30,545 --> 01:07:32,144
Then, episode 01:44.

1772
01:07:32,385 --> 01:07:33,744
How does this make you feel?

1773
01:07:34,385 --> 01:07:36,065
What happened was the actors,

1774
01:07:36,704 --> 01:07:37,985
some of whom as I said, we had

1775
01:07:37,985 --> 01:07:39,025
to fly in from La.

1776
01:07:40,234 --> 01:07:41,984
Because they had moved on in their careers,

1777
01:07:42,222 --> 01:07:43,097
Chris and Amanda,

1778
01:07:44,052 --> 01:07:44,688
Chloe and Buck,

1779
01:07:45,484 --> 01:07:45,984
predominantly,

1780
01:07:46,692 --> 01:07:48,066
there was a real joy

1781
01:07:48,838 --> 01:07:49,815
at the reunion

1782
01:07:50,427 --> 01:07:51,302
of the actors,

1783
01:07:53,050 --> 01:07:55,140
which dovetail tailed perfectly

1784
01:07:56,007 --> 01:07:57,462
with this reunion

1785
01:07:58,076 --> 01:07:59,509
in episode 01:44.

1786
01:07:59,907 --> 01:08:00,407
So

1787
01:08:00,782 --> 01:08:02,931
that was the primary thing. We didn't wanna

1788
01:08:02,931 --> 01:08:04,840
say, well, it's probably gonna happen like this.

1789
01:08:05,253 --> 01:08:07,823
And then this mountain gonna split open. And

1790
01:08:08,039 --> 01:08:09,552
this is what the pit looks like and

1791
01:08:09,552 --> 01:08:10,030
sounds like.

1792
01:08:10,985 --> 01:08:12,895
We basically wanna join it.

1793
01:08:13,547 --> 01:08:14,843
As the underpinning

1794
01:08:15,218 --> 01:08:18,243
of the closing episodes. Y'all got it because

1795
01:08:18,322 --> 01:08:21,123
I'm thinking now about the sounds scape the

1796
01:08:21,123 --> 01:08:23,516
actors of that reunion scene in 144.

1797
01:08:23,676 --> 01:08:26,250
So spoilers. There's a little bit more reunion

1798
01:08:26,467 --> 01:08:28,780
between characters who have passed on, you know,

1799
01:08:29,019 --> 01:08:31,265
Jerry Jenkins found them dead. As he was

1800
01:08:31,265 --> 01:08:33,416
a pants of the character growth of the

1801
01:08:33,416 --> 01:08:35,487
series, but they all come back at the

1802
01:08:35,487 --> 01:08:37,716
end when Jesus comes back because, you know,

1803
01:08:37,796 --> 01:08:40,197
you you have a resurrection And then suddenly,

1804
01:08:40,277 --> 01:08:42,181
you, Ken r is there. Bruce Barnes is

1805
01:08:42,181 --> 01:08:44,246
there. Both of Ray wives are there, and

1806
01:08:44,246 --> 01:08:46,389
and it's a little awkward, but everybody is

1807
01:08:46,389 --> 01:08:48,731
just gonna... Have to work around those things

1808
01:08:48,947 --> 01:08:49,979
for the millennial kingdom,

1809
01:08:50,694 --> 01:08:52,999
and and it works. I remember, I mean,

1810
01:08:53,238 --> 01:08:55,000
I I liked to the book. But I

1811
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,507
remember Todd just listening to the drama, and,

1812
01:08:56,586 --> 01:08:59,601
yes, it awakened that sense of longing for

1813
01:08:59,601 --> 01:09:01,823
the return of Christ. However you believe that's

1814
01:09:01,823 --> 01:09:02,378
gonna happen.

1815
01:09:03,028 --> 01:09:05,489
Pre amid post millennium, no millennium, you know,

1816
01:09:05,648 --> 01:09:06,521
pre, whatever,

1817
01:09:07,077 --> 01:09:09,538
all orthodox christians believe that he is coming

1818
01:09:09,538 --> 01:09:10,729
back and every eye I will see him,

1819
01:09:10,887 --> 01:09:11,784
and it might

1820
01:09:12,494 --> 01:09:14,193
might be a little something

1821
01:09:14,652 --> 01:09:17,288
like those last 12 episodes of the left

1822
01:09:17,288 --> 01:09:19,605
behind audio drama, and then it's on into

1823
01:09:19,605 --> 01:09:20,105
eternity

1824
01:09:20,737 --> 01:09:22,270
when we'll have a lot of our questions

1825
01:09:22,327 --> 01:09:24,712
answered, and I think Todd, though, a production

1826
01:09:24,712 --> 01:09:25,451
like this

1827
01:09:25,984 --> 01:09:27,972
will have a place in the kingdom.

1828
01:09:28,783 --> 01:09:30,618
For the faithfulness that you all had, and

1829
01:09:30,618 --> 01:09:33,489
the creative excellence that you all clearly were

1830
01:09:33,489 --> 01:09:33,808
pursuing,

1831
01:09:34,447 --> 01:09:37,398
with the guard rails and everything, but wanting

1832
01:09:37,398 --> 01:09:40,121
to illustrate something that many Christians have long

1833
01:09:40,121 --> 01:09:40,621
for

1834
01:09:41,077 --> 01:09:43,306
throughout the centuries. And so just as a

1835
01:09:43,306 --> 01:09:45,537
as a fan as a stand, whatever, for

1836
01:09:45,537 --> 01:09:48,023
now going on 20 years, something 25 actually,

1837
01:09:48,343 --> 01:09:48,742
I just say,

1838
01:09:49,462 --> 01:09:51,458
bravo, I know you got more stuff sensitive

1839
01:09:51,458 --> 01:09:52,737
then. I'll hear about that in a moment,

1840
01:09:52,897 --> 01:09:54,415
but I just wanted to thank you for

1841
01:09:54,415 --> 01:09:54,494
that.

1842
01:09:55,229 --> 01:09:57,383
Well, I appreciate that, Steven, and and it

1843
01:09:57,383 --> 01:10:00,494
was my design from the start yet to

1844
01:10:00,494 --> 01:10:03,060
do drama with the leash off. But it

1845
01:10:03,060 --> 01:10:06,158
was also my design and my challenge to

1846
01:10:06,158 --> 01:10:07,510
the guy is doing the cast,

1847
01:10:08,304 --> 01:10:10,703
doing the writing the script, that the gospel

1848
01:10:10,703 --> 01:10:12,715
was clear, at least once in every book

1849
01:10:13,090 --> 01:10:14,442
when this stuff came out.

1850
01:10:15,078 --> 01:10:16,373
At the time, audible

1851
01:10:16,845 --> 01:10:18,925
I mean, back in the day, Audible was

1852
01:10:18,925 --> 01:10:19,324
mono,

1853
01:10:20,045 --> 01:10:23,965
9 k sampling. Right? So that was... Yeah.

1854
01:10:24,139 --> 01:10:25,656
That wasn't gonna work for me. So I

1855
01:10:25,656 --> 01:10:28,130
needed some other way to distribute it. So

1856
01:10:28,289 --> 01:10:30,126
I went to work and I created a

1857
01:10:30,126 --> 01:10:32,360
site called ear flick dot com.

1858
01:10:33,173 --> 01:10:37,104
And distributed it that way. And that was

1859
01:10:37,802 --> 01:10:40,696
pretty labor intensive. And so we have since

1860
01:10:41,009 --> 01:10:42,602
owned a away to use a,

1861
01:10:43,399 --> 01:10:46,108
a middleman if you will, that distributes. So

1862
01:10:46,108 --> 01:10:48,281
this series is available on

1863
01:10:48,896 --> 01:10:50,273
itunes, Apple books

1864
01:10:51,219 --> 01:10:54,158
spotify now apparently. And I'm getting all these

1865
01:10:54,635 --> 01:10:56,462
emails saying, hey. How come the leader episodes

1866
01:10:56,462 --> 01:10:57,439
aren't on Spotify.

1867
01:10:57,908 --> 01:10:59,498
And even know the earlier whoever's were runs

1868
01:10:59,578 --> 01:11:02,440
Spotify. But, okay. Yeah. The first 48. And

1869
01:11:02,440 --> 01:11:03,792
but this is the only way to listen.

1870
01:11:04,110 --> 01:11:06,674
See the Cds there. Outside Y'all change the

1871
01:11:06,674 --> 01:11:08,831
art after but cd. What's that? Yeah. The

1872
01:11:08,990 --> 01:11:12,047
Cd compact disc, 4 inches. It is available

1873
01:11:12,186 --> 01:11:14,912
and people are still funny. And that I

1874
01:11:14,912 --> 01:11:16,526
find so satisfying

1875
01:11:16,900 --> 01:11:18,990
because again, the gospel isn't in it. And

1876
01:11:19,048 --> 01:11:21,854
if even if they don't listen to

1877
01:11:22,243 --> 01:11:23,832
you know, Vernon Billings,

1878
01:11:24,387 --> 01:11:25,181
AKA,

1879
01:11:25,420 --> 01:11:26,135
Erwin Lu,

1880
01:11:26,770 --> 01:11:27,270
explain

1881
01:11:28,041 --> 01:11:28,541
why

1882
01:11:29,073 --> 01:11:30,979
people are watching that video tape? And what

1883
01:11:30,979 --> 01:11:33,309
has happened? And how to rectify that situation,

1884
01:11:33,550 --> 01:11:34,989
which is absolutely clear.

1885
01:11:35,789 --> 01:11:37,949
They're all... They're being challenged to think about

1886
01:11:37,949 --> 01:11:40,750
this scenario and that in and of itself

1887
01:11:40,750 --> 01:11:41,983
and is a provocative

1888
01:11:42,839 --> 01:11:43,158
nudge.

1889
01:11:43,717 --> 01:11:45,073
If you will, in and each 1 of

1890
01:11:45,073 --> 01:11:48,596
the books we have something built in that's

1891
01:11:48,596 --> 01:11:51,539
designed to move towards a clear gospel presentation

1892
01:11:51,539 --> 01:11:54,903
if not, a provocative nudge to think about

1893
01:11:55,215 --> 01:11:56,194
end times

1894
01:11:56,573 --> 01:11:58,331
issues. And so that's... You know, the fact

1895
01:11:58,331 --> 01:12:00,168
that we're talking about this 25 years later

1896
01:12:00,168 --> 01:12:01,047
is very gratifying,

1897
01:12:01,846 --> 01:12:02,746
but I'm also

1898
01:12:03,125 --> 01:12:05,533
really pleased that these titles are still out

1899
01:12:05,533 --> 01:12:07,529
there, they're generating interest people are finding them

1900
01:12:07,529 --> 01:12:10,262
through library systems. They're finding them through Spotify,

1901
01:12:10,893 --> 01:12:12,662
I'm not trying to sell them

1902
01:12:13,115 --> 01:12:16,052
anymore. Oddly, they are selling like crazy, and

1903
01:12:16,211 --> 01:12:17,186
I'm g.

1904
01:12:18,289 --> 01:12:19,484
You know, I wish that was the case

1905
01:12:19,484 --> 01:12:20,916
with the rising because that I could have

1906
01:12:20,916 --> 01:12:23,463
done more. The other thing in the 25

1907
01:12:23,463 --> 01:12:26,248
year rearview view mirror that might need clearing

1908
01:12:26,248 --> 01:12:28,675
up is as we wouldn't couldn't necessarily to

1909
01:12:29,373 --> 01:12:32,010
the same cast. Quite a few people. In

1910
01:12:32,010 --> 01:12:35,866
fact, our tune ben slash triple ball club

1911
01:12:35,926 --> 01:12:36,426
announcer

1912
01:12:36,819 --> 01:12:37,616
no longer with us.

1913
01:12:38,414 --> 01:12:38,813
Oh,

1914
01:12:39,292 --> 01:12:42,083
flow has passed, Of course, a good number

1915
01:12:42,083 --> 01:12:44,896
of the folks I'm looking at the glorious

1916
01:12:44,954 --> 01:12:46,390
appearing cast list right now.

1917
01:12:47,122 --> 01:12:48,157
It would be difficult.

1918
01:12:48,953 --> 01:12:50,148
Some of those folks are no longer with

1919
01:12:50,148 --> 01:12:52,615
it. So there was a time and a

1920
01:12:52,615 --> 01:12:55,099
place and the hundred episode and the a

1921
01:12:55,099 --> 01:12:57,559
hundred 40 fourth episode and the glory appearing

1922
01:12:57,559 --> 01:12:59,146
where we flew a lot of people back

1923
01:12:59,146 --> 01:13:01,210
in to be a part of those episodes,

1924
01:13:01,368 --> 01:13:02,534
and that was a good bow on, A

1925
01:13:02,654 --> 01:13:04,401
And then the rising, we went a different

1926
01:13:04,401 --> 01:13:05,910
direction in terms of the casting, but we

1927
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:08,134
had some of the regulars back in. Darby

1928
01:13:08,293 --> 01:13:10,358
Ke is actually featured in the rising as

1929
01:13:10,358 --> 01:13:10,516
well.

1930
01:13:11,167 --> 01:13:12,702
In a in a scene. So

1931
01:13:13,078 --> 01:13:14,590
we're just really blessed that God gave us

1932
01:13:14,590 --> 01:13:17,136
the opportunity to run this series. Well, besides

1933
01:13:17,136 --> 01:13:18,545
the, you know, the clear gospel

1934
01:13:19,064 --> 01:13:20,902
presentation for listeners that may not know the

1935
01:13:20,902 --> 01:13:23,380
lord yet. 1 thing I really appreciate listening

1936
01:13:23,380 --> 01:13:24,039
to this

1937
01:13:24,738 --> 01:13:27,875
is all of the situations that Ray or

1938
01:13:27,935 --> 01:13:30,257
a buck or even chloe were in where

1939
01:13:30,257 --> 01:13:32,246
they were surrounded by people that didn't share

1940
01:13:32,246 --> 01:13:34,893
their faith. And they're trying to articulate

1941
01:13:35,923 --> 01:13:37,781
what they believe are just sort of navigate

1942
01:13:37,841 --> 01:13:38,660
these awkward

1943
01:13:39,518 --> 01:13:42,255
social or professional situations like we're

1944
01:13:42,885 --> 01:13:44,337
On the plane and

1945
01:13:44,711 --> 01:13:47,331
in in the tribulation force and everyone's listening

1946
01:13:47,331 --> 01:13:49,712
to the broadcast from s Judah,

1947
01:13:50,683 --> 01:13:53,157
and everyone's kinda laughing at it. And and

1948
01:13:53,157 --> 01:13:53,657
he's

1949
01:13:54,195 --> 01:13:55,951
that he's been out is a Christian. So

1950
01:13:55,951 --> 01:13:57,547
they're like, oh, you really think all this

1951
01:13:57,547 --> 01:13:58,185
stuff is true.

1952
01:13:58,759 --> 01:14:00,832
And then, you know Bak he's in the

1953
01:14:00,832 --> 01:14:01,470
the newsroom?

1954
01:14:02,029 --> 01:14:03,385
And same kind of thing like, you know,

1955
01:14:03,545 --> 01:14:05,640
why why are you following all these crazy

1956
01:14:05,698 --> 01:14:08,011
religious stories? Like that this is all just

1957
01:14:08,011 --> 01:14:08,171
bunk.

1958
01:14:09,143 --> 01:14:11,399
And so they're they're both trying to give,

1959
01:14:12,256 --> 01:14:14,092
an answer for their faith while,

1960
01:14:14,970 --> 01:14:16,966
while trying to stay employed, but but trying

1961
01:14:16,966 --> 01:14:18,420
to stay faithful to the Lord.

1962
01:14:19,139 --> 01:14:20,500
And it just really struck me as I

1963
01:14:20,500 --> 01:14:22,179
was listening to that this week, Todd, that,

1964
01:14:22,260 --> 01:14:23,859
you know, I'm reading a book now It's

1965
01:14:23,859 --> 01:14:26,119
life in the negative world by Aaron Ren

1966
01:14:26,433 --> 01:14:27,947
And so I've been thinking a lot about

1967
01:14:27,947 --> 01:14:29,938
how how much the world has changed in

1968
01:14:29,938 --> 01:14:32,407
the last 25 years and yet, this is

1969
01:14:32,407 --> 01:14:35,036
imagining a much more negative world in the

1970
01:14:35,036 --> 01:14:37,070
future. Where believers are

1971
01:14:37,530 --> 01:14:40,170
locked up, where they are gui, You know,

1972
01:14:40,250 --> 01:14:42,750
in later books, where they absolutely

1973
01:14:43,050 --> 01:14:44,145
pushed to the edges

1974
01:14:44,743 --> 01:14:46,902
and yet, and and they're very young in

1975
01:14:46,902 --> 01:14:49,378
their faith having to navigate this. And I

1976
01:14:49,378 --> 01:14:51,136
think that's why I originally love this book

1977
01:14:51,136 --> 01:14:53,466
because I I first read these books. As

1978
01:14:53,466 --> 01:14:54,738
missionary in a closed country,

1979
01:14:55,770 --> 01:14:57,462
where I was people

1980
01:14:57,837 --> 01:15:00,777
who had no other Christian friends, no Christian

1981
01:15:00,777 --> 01:15:01,675
family members

1982
01:15:02,223 --> 01:15:03,976
we're trying to put together these, like, sell

1983
01:15:03,976 --> 01:15:05,809
groups like they're doing in the book, just

1984
01:15:05,809 --> 01:15:09,076
very small pockets of believers. Yeah. Yep. And

1985
01:15:09,076 --> 01:15:10,908
it just really spoke to me in that

1986
01:15:10,908 --> 01:15:12,774
moment, and it really speaks to me now

1987
01:15:13,146 --> 01:15:16,315
when we're, as as Christians were facing very

1988
01:15:16,315 --> 01:15:18,875
different kinds of pressures than we ever had

1989
01:15:18,930 --> 01:15:21,264
speaks And I think that's why this book

1990
01:15:21,264 --> 01:15:23,344
continues to encourage me because as a christian,

1991
01:15:23,904 --> 01:15:25,904
we can see that God will bring us

1992
01:15:25,904 --> 01:15:27,185
in fellowship with others.

1993
01:15:28,158 --> 01:15:29,753
He will give us the words to say

1994
01:15:29,753 --> 01:15:31,270
he will give us the courage that we

1995
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:33,903
need, and we we can get through it.

1996
01:15:34,541 --> 01:15:34,700
Yeah.

1997
01:15:35,670 --> 01:15:37,891
Man. Pretty I like well said. Well, Todd,

1998
01:15:38,288 --> 01:15:39,717
you've got to place at to go, and

1999
01:15:40,035 --> 01:15:42,496
you also... I saw in my background research

2000
01:15:42,496 --> 01:15:45,530
to narrated the end. Higher new living translation

2001
01:15:45,530 --> 01:15:48,177
of the bible. So if you fa listener

2002
01:15:48,235 --> 01:15:48,552
enjoyed,

2003
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:51,752
the tones of Todd dean's voice. You can

2004
01:15:51,752 --> 01:15:53,903
get that to narrative reading the entire bible.

2005
01:15:54,301 --> 01:15:55,417
We'll put those links in our show notes.

2006
01:15:55,576 --> 01:15:57,728
But Todd, as you head out, back on

2007
01:15:57,728 --> 01:15:59,493
your bike. I mean, what else are you

2008
01:15:59,493 --> 01:16:01,164
doing? How can folks keep up with your

2009
01:16:01,164 --> 01:16:03,631
work? I, I'd sell us some stuff I'm

2010
01:16:03,631 --> 01:16:06,193
very willing to buy right now. I'm just

2011
01:16:06,193 --> 01:16:08,427
really thrilled that the the series is showing

2012
01:16:08,427 --> 01:16:10,284
up on the various outlets,

2013
01:16:10,902 --> 01:16:13,775
a wonderful little side hustle that developed.

2014
01:16:14,506 --> 01:16:16,336
1 of the guys who I'm looking at

2015
01:16:16,336 --> 01:16:19,120
again on the glory appearing cast list who

2016
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:20,552
came in who was early on,

2017
01:16:21,124 --> 01:16:22,800
gentleman by the name of Dave Gap as

2018
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:24,475
he walked into the studio 1 day for

2019
01:16:24,475 --> 01:16:26,092
a session, and he was wearing

2020
01:16:26,551 --> 01:16:27,029
the

2021
01:16:27,827 --> 01:16:28,545
the jacket,

2022
01:16:29,119 --> 01:16:31,199
of a women's triathlon series, and I said,

2023
01:16:31,279 --> 01:16:32,880
well Dave, I'm pretty sure you didn't participate

2024
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:34,479
in they said, no. I'm the announcer. And

2025
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,699
I said, oh, too early interesting. Yeah. And

2026
01:16:38,972 --> 01:16:41,596
He and and that turned into, for the

2027
01:16:41,596 --> 01:16:42,392
last 20 years,

2028
01:16:43,267 --> 01:16:44,404
I've had a nice

2029
01:16:44,858 --> 01:16:46,607
opportunity to announce sporting events.

2030
01:16:47,338 --> 01:16:49,886
And so the Chicago triathlon on the Milwaukee

2031
01:16:49,966 --> 01:16:52,833
Marathon, the Detroit Marathon, I'm leaving it a

2032
01:16:52,833 --> 01:16:55,006
couple days to do bike race announcing,

2033
01:16:55,382 --> 01:16:55,882
and

2034
01:16:56,352 --> 01:16:58,341
it's been a great opportunity to get out.

2035
01:16:59,057 --> 01:17:01,149
And, you know, you can

2036
01:17:01,921 --> 01:17:02,796
kind of,

2037
01:17:03,765 --> 01:17:04,241
pigeon hole.

2038
01:17:04,877 --> 01:17:06,068
If all you do is go to the

2039
01:17:06,068 --> 01:17:07,974
studio, and you work with ministries,

2040
01:17:09,006 --> 01:17:11,809
and you're surrounded by Christian, you can lose

2041
01:17:12,024 --> 01:17:15,067
touch, And so, the know, allows me to

2042
01:17:15,067 --> 01:17:15,944
get out and,

2043
01:17:16,662 --> 01:17:18,577
interact with people, create great friendships,

2044
01:17:19,454 --> 01:17:21,608
put on great events, take the same quality

2045
01:17:21,608 --> 01:17:23,220
commitment that I have in my production and

2046
01:17:23,220 --> 01:17:24,899
bring it to the productions that are live,

2047
01:17:26,260 --> 01:17:28,439
and that's kinda fun. We've also

2048
01:17:29,300 --> 01:17:29,699
really,

2049
01:17:30,260 --> 01:17:31,079
I'd love

2050
01:17:31,714 --> 01:17:34,212
I mean, you know, Paul C writing just

2051
01:17:34,829 --> 01:17:36,427
hang on. I'm gonna have to tighten down

2052
01:17:36,427 --> 01:17:38,105
my Seatbelt belt because he does such creative

2053
01:17:38,105 --> 01:17:39,870
things. And we've just finished a,

2054
01:17:40,506 --> 01:17:41,458
5 hour

2055
01:17:41,934 --> 01:17:43,522
production on the life of Joan of Arc,

2056
01:17:44,713 --> 01:17:47,033
with Paul that he wrote, and we did

2057
01:17:47,033 --> 01:17:48,788
the production on that. Spent 2 weeks in

2058
01:17:48,868 --> 01:17:49,747
London recording.

2059
01:17:50,305 --> 01:17:51,981
And the young lady who did the lead

2060
01:17:51,981 --> 01:17:52,779
on that just.

2061
01:17:53,417 --> 01:17:56,405
Absolutely nailed it. And so still

2062
01:17:56,863 --> 01:17:57,899
excited to do drama,

2063
01:17:59,176 --> 01:18:01,750
still looking at possibilities also working with an

2064
01:18:01,887 --> 01:18:04,221
organization called River Cross that's using storytelling,

2065
01:18:04,854 --> 01:18:07,595
to help kids that are trafficked in Africa,

2066
01:18:07,975 --> 01:18:08,935
and so we tell,

2067
01:18:09,655 --> 01:18:11,815
the story from the African perspective, We go

2068
01:18:11,815 --> 01:18:14,328
to London and have Africans. Do our voices

2069
01:18:14,385 --> 01:18:14,625
there.

2070
01:18:15,261 --> 01:18:17,094
And then we take them into villages with

2071
01:18:17,094 --> 01:18:19,324
battery powered and solar powered players and we

2072
01:18:19,324 --> 01:18:21,237
get small groups together and play them, and

2073
01:18:21,237 --> 01:18:23,663
then we just ask the question, do So

2074
01:18:23,961 --> 01:18:25,076
what do you I think in the only

2075
01:18:25,076 --> 01:18:25,975
story? And

2076
01:18:26,430 --> 01:18:28,822
through that, we start cracking open some of

2077
01:18:28,822 --> 01:18:30,256
these secrets. And oh, kids.

2078
01:18:31,229 --> 01:18:33,067
Head to freedom. So, again, this power of

2079
01:18:33,067 --> 01:18:35,484
storytelling there. That's a... It's

2080
01:18:35,863 --> 01:18:36,262
sobering,

2081
01:18:37,461 --> 01:18:39,787
but rewarding project, as well to be helping

2082
01:18:39,787 --> 01:18:42,488
out River cross with air drama production. Todd

2083
01:18:42,488 --> 01:18:45,667
gap digital dot com is still running after

2084
01:18:45,667 --> 01:18:47,257
all of these years, Are there any other

2085
01:18:47,257 --> 01:18:49,183
links that anyone needs to go to to

2086
01:18:49,183 --> 01:18:50,856
learn more about your work and to that's

2087
01:18:50,856 --> 01:18:51,675
an analog

2088
01:18:52,051 --> 01:18:53,804
site. So you can't actually get to it

2089
01:18:53,804 --> 01:18:55,078
from a computer. You have to get to

2090
01:18:55,078 --> 01:18:57,284
it from a fax machine. I unless that

2091
01:18:57,803 --> 01:18:59,399
Unless we updated it to your digital. Maybe

2092
01:18:59,399 --> 01:19:00,196
we did. Yeah. Okay.

2093
01:19:01,313 --> 01:19:03,386
Exactly. I up the modem. I up the.

2094
01:19:03,626 --> 01:19:05,720
It's the nineties. Again, it's a Buck Williams

2095
01:19:05,859 --> 01:19:07,270
connected to the ground and the

2096
01:19:08,104 --> 01:19:09,615
For full line. On the back of the

2097
01:19:09,615 --> 01:19:11,285
chair. Yeah. That, man. That sound takes me

2098
01:19:11,285 --> 01:19:11,762
back. So, yeah.

2099
01:19:12,557 --> 01:19:15,261
Dot com. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gap digital com

2100
01:19:15,261 --> 01:19:17,425
todd dot com is is out there. On

2101
01:19:17,425 --> 01:19:19,582
the announcing side as well. But

2102
01:19:20,141 --> 01:19:22,379
most Just love people to spread the word

2103
01:19:22,379 --> 01:19:24,377
and drop a link for a friend who

2104
01:19:24,377 --> 01:19:26,707
you think might enjoy the series or and

2105
01:19:26,707 --> 01:19:27,207
then

2106
01:19:27,584 --> 01:19:29,735
start conversations and just say, would you think

2107
01:19:29,735 --> 01:19:31,807
of that? I found this drama series. It's,

2108
01:19:31,967 --> 01:19:32,843
you know, it's out there.

2109
01:19:34,449 --> 01:19:35,877
Would you think of it? And see if

2110
01:19:35,877 --> 01:19:37,012
it doesn't allow

2111
01:19:37,465 --> 01:19:39,370
conversations to take a turn that might not

2112
01:19:39,370 --> 01:19:39,608
otherwise,

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be standard for procedure, and, you know, somebody

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who might be interested in that, and use

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it as a tool.

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That would that would be super gratifying. God's

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used it as a tool know, it's not

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me. I'm

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just doing what I am called to do

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graciously gifted to do through the resources that

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I have.

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But now he can use this storytelling

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as as a tool to start strategic conversations,

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that would be phenomenal.

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Alright. Well, let's keep the conversation going and

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look forward to sharing more about the left

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behind series as we explore left behind legacies.

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So Todd thank you so much for stopping

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by. Gods speed to you and yours and

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all your creative endeavors even after the tribulation.

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01:20:20,684 --> 01:20:22,678
My pleasure guys real real fun.

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Steven, I really like what Todd had to

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say

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about good storytelling

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shows us people changing.

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It's not just people doing things. It's how

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doing those things changes them. So we would

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love to know from you our listener,

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What are some of your favorite audio stories,

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01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,618
whether cinematic audio or audiobooks,

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01:20:48,476 --> 01:20:51,120
where you saw someone change Now, we've mentioned

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01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:52,786
adventures in Odyssey, I imagine a lot of

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01:20:52,786 --> 01:20:55,007
our listeners are already fans of that. But

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if you've listened to another cinematic audio story

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01:20:58,354 --> 01:20:59,710
and you'd love to tell us about that.

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Send us a note, podcast at laura haven

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dot com. And if you have thoughts just

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01:21:04,734 --> 01:21:06,489
about this whole genre, we'd love to know

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01:21:06,489 --> 01:21:08,498
that too. So send us a note, Find

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us on Facebook,

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Instagram and Twitter and leave a comment there.

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Next on fantastical truth, some Christians think that

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in an end times rapture event

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Young children would automatically go to heaven. But

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what about the older kids? What about the

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teen rebels who disobey their parents or won't

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01:21:26,865 --> 01:21:29,118
go to church? And reject Jesus.

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The left behind the kids series explored the

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exploits of the young tribulation force

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This series also was adapted for its own

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fantastic dramatic audio series by our next guest,

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Darby Ke.

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Regardless of your age, whether you like the

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grown up series better or the kids series

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better, or maybe you've never Even read these

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books, we appreciate you going on this particular

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ride. We enjoy stories from many different

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perspectives within

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Christianity, and we like to celebrate the people

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who you may not even heard of who

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are faithfully making these stories

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and joining us on this mission to continue

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seeking and finding his fantastical truth.