Poke back another episode of Ex podcast, all
things competitive in the world of War ham
40000.
My name is Eric with Wi my c
were Robert.
Hi.
And we're here. We've got lots of news
for
First time in a long time, if you've
you've been noticing the, lack of big news,
well, of course, new releases because Sigma morris
has had their day and sun out their
new
additional launch, but also, we may not know
behind the scenes. As several content creators have
been on... Been on a bit of a
I won't call it a hiatus eighties because
I always indicates that they're not coming back
down it's more of a s surrendering
because, coming up, it about 3 weeks from
now is the W,
the
original team tournament. And list locks were due
just,
later... Early this week.
So for the last 4 weeks, all the
teams across the world have been
trying to figure out what does nexus for
Mean for them, we develop list and submit
them. So now that the,
list have and
submitted to locked into place pods have been,
signed.
Some of the content creators are coming out
of the wood work. It should be publicly
announced as well as the list should come
out tomorrow when So it's fight a Sunday
night. So Monday morning they're supposed to come
out. But I've been doing some research and
some very interesting
new
ideas are coming out.
So, first of all, we said it's the
original team tournament, Robert, you've had a lot
more experience as a team captain than I
have, house team different than singles play.
Well, aside from
what we've talked about many, many a time
of... You get your buddies together, it's hurting
cats and
travel is obnoxious a plan,
it's
very
different when you have to think about the
environment,
because, obviously, when you think of how to
design your list for a singles event, it
is a
I need to be able to do x
thing and
why thing kind of okay or
I completely ignore
the rest of the alphabet and I do
1
letter plan all the time.
With
teams though,
you have the potential to
maneuver your army into something
very
off the beaten path. So
for instance, if
myself, Eric Ray Don, and a couple of
other people were on a team,
I could look at Eric and go, hey,
I need you to skew your J giuseppe
stuff into
as many dark you can fit and as
few true qualities as you have. There's something
weird like that where
it doesn't... It hits really hard,
but it's not meant to
score primary all of that readily until it
tables the opponent kind of thing.
Whereas
I pull ray aside, and I say, hey.
You are gonna be our guy that we
throw into
a lot of really rough matchup ups. I
need you to try and keep them close
so that way, other games can be blow
outs.
And that kind of strategy,
but it lets you explore what your army
can actually do. And
sometimes you can see really funny things like
triple shadow swords or
all big nights or
200 gretchen.
Yeah. Because you have the agency to have
semi
controlling over picking your matchup ups. So then
it's kind what the captains get involved and
being able to pick, you know, what matchup
ups you want, and, of course, your opponent...
Opposing team has that opportunity as well.
And as well as,
specifically in W, they have 3
terrain layouts,
light, medium and a heavy.
And that you can choose which table they
you go on as well. So
there's a little bit of planning that goes
into that and it's very interesting to see
this year where that planning went? Because,
for the first time in a very long
time, the Meta is a lot more balanced
than it you beads.
Traditionally, they are 8 man team, so that
means each codex could only be used once,
so there are 8 separate armies.
And for the first time, it's not just...
We take these 3 or 4, which are
the no brainer. So the strongest armies in
the game.
And then
maybe 1 or 2 factions specialists and then
the 2 wildcard cards at the bottom that
you just gotta hope we can get some
points.
There really... The top 8 is
the difference between
the top army and the fifth place army
versus the a Place army has never been
as close before.
Yeah. It really comes down to
how well the pilot of the army understands
what their army is supposed to do?
I will admit I had 1 game where
I did not bring Mc his grabbed tanks
as much as I missed them,
and I brought some extra custodian.
The list felt like it did more things
than with the Cl is,
sure. The Cl can look at a tank
funny and take it off the table. But
at the same time, I'm now
able to hide better. I can walk through
more buildings. I'm not going to be shot
at all the time because my tanks are
impossible hide. So I would be a person
that's was like, hey. I want to fight
on a heavy terrain table at W
because
I'm going to intentionally hop from building to
building to building, and I'm not gonna get
shot at and I'm gonna charge my phone
on, like, turn to. Whereas,
if Eric brought the 21 dark lance,
I'd aim to try and have him end
up on a light table. For that way,
his opponent can't hide for him.
And
that's another idea that
the people who don't
do
w
kind of events?
I...
I was like this too. I'll admit it.
I didn't fully comprehend how heavy the terrain
was for w.
A light table to them is basically the
same as an average Fl table.
Yeah. Their mid tables are equivalent to what
G w does, at least the,
leviathan style,
train, and then their heavy tables are extremely
heavy. I mean, it's to the point where
it's 1 reason why you don't see nights
much in
England prior to Prying
because
they couldn't move. They couldn't get through the
board. To. Mh.
So
now because they can walk through buildings.
I'm pretty sure you'll see battle big nights
more often than not, but they can walk
across the table now and they can actually
participate. Yeah. I mean just off National to
get Battle stock just rolling ones.
Yeah.
My friend Mike back in Pennsylvania. Yeah. He'll
find a way to roll enough ones to
make it a a situation, but, you know,
the hour player will probably,
not roll that many ones. So
So, yeah, it's
it's a fun time that
you can have as a player where you
get to experience a team event, and
you just get to see how the... How
not purely relying off of yourself to win
the round
is makes the game that much more enjoyable.
I know the last sc that
the
mid table Mer had with
The making saves crew.
Oh, the making Saves screw freaking stomped us.
Right. It was filed not by it any
close margin. But a lot of the games
that I pair up ended up being, like,
15 05:13
7... 0, 13 7 is a big swing.
But 15 05:14
sixes that kind of... They were able to
hold their own for a little bit. And
then something just flounder in we lost the
momentum to keep it, like, an 11, 9
or a 12, 8
Yeah. It can happen. And so what
Robert's referring to is
The key is this winning isn't everything. It's...
There's also what's called differential. So basically,
the more points you beat your opponent by
the better it helps the team focus.
For some odd reason, I somehow figured it
out that W does... Why don't they just
use straight hundred points and
system, they condense into a 20 point system.
So, basically, if you to absolutely crushed your
opponent. You get a... You get 20 points
your opponent gets 0. But if you only
beat your opponent by
6 points. So it's... That's... You would get
11 points, your opponent would get 9 points.
And then you have to score a minimum
correct have a wrong,
beat your opponent by 50 points. I believe
it is in an 8 round,
18 tournament.
To actually win the round. So you actually
win by significant margin.
So it's important. That's where it's important to.
I may not win the game.
But I wanna keep it close to help
keep my... The rest of the team in
contention. And then there's other people, you... You're
building a list, a hammer list that they
call them a lot of times. Your job
is you have to win 20 nothing every
time. And then when that doesn't hit, you're
in trouble. So... Yeah. Like, the acceptable wiggle
room for an actual match that happened.
I
accidentally fed imperial nights
2 blood angels.
Blood angels
if they could have gone beyond 20,
they could have
because they won by
almost 60 points difference.
So differential wise, it's a 20 0.
No big deal.
So in order to cancel that out.
1 of our tables would have to win
20 and 0. So that way, it's a
it's a tied round.
And then from there, it'd be pulling teeth
to see who can
score where and whatnot. Whereas
if you're playing by yourself against a person,
you have that stress of
what if I can't do my second this
turn. I need to push them on primary,
and you're trying to think of all these
things
Well, if you're the hammer of your team,
then those are the kinds of thoughts that
you need to focus on. If you're not
the hammer, if you're the guy that's the
I need to keep it close.
Sure. You wanna score points, but you're not
stressing out about used scoring points. You're stressing
about preventing your opponent from scoring points.
So the games are closer.
So real quick, what's different this year for
W, there's several things. Last year was a
big
with a pulling back of the curtain, is
that they ashley had
streaming, and so you could actually watch the
events. And it seem to very odd they
you supposedly have the best players in the
world playing a game that supposed to be
kept secret. Was kinda weird. So,
we're back to that, And the cons of
that, they have expanded the way the format
works. It's very similar to the World cup
of soccer, and let you I know a
lot of our American friends may not be
aware of. And this it that's that football
thing, right. It's Europe. I'm like, yeah. So
there are groups every team
is put into a group of 4 and
they are seated. So there's A123
and a 4 seats. So it was an
expected winner
of the pod.
Everybody plays each other once in the pods.
So you're gonna get 3 games in. And
then from there, they
are then the top I believe it's 16
teams
are then put into a knockout round,
sort of a swiss pairing knockout round from
moving forward to determine the champion.
What makes this year
unusual is
honest over the years. It's kind of an
old boys club.
It's pretty much the European nations. They kinda
tolerate the Americans to show up, and, you
know, the Australian guys were kinda of fun,
and
so they kinda invited them to.
Well, now not only do you have
a
where in the world is Carmen San Diego,
like, map to follow because there are countries
like cyprus and
Gibraltar are sending teams, but
not 1, but 2 but 4
Asian countries are making their appearance into the
W.
And because they don't generally sc with the
European countries, nobody any idea, what they'll bring
to the table.
And so it's been very interesting
where they... You know, we have an assumed
ranking or where they are
but we've talked about this on our our
show here. The the Asian meta?
How does it stack up against the European
med, the American meta.
That's gonna be very interesting to see if
this is a
dawning of a new...
Basically, a whole new quarter of the world
that no 1 ever talks about when comes
to War hammer.
And then yeah go ahead.
Oh, I was gonna bring up the the
classic joke of
everyone does... No 1 knows what happens down
in Australia because Australia does things backwards.
But
that is how they play down there. So
when they play here,
and you see someone bring a hundred and
50 ga versus
13 Le russ tanks. That's Australia versus everyone
else.
That's how always kind of was. And then
now that
the
Asian area of the world
is now... It's coming into the
40 k scene
very actively.
It's going to change up what kind of
stuff comes to the table because
Like you just said, Eric, we don't know
what kind of stuff they're thinking about playing
because they see us doing everything
they might have a way to build something
else around that.
So I, I'm super excited to see it.
Tagging out what you said there about Australia,
defending champs.
But,
over half of the team from last,
year is not returning. So this is a
new look Australian team.
But to your point, they tend to be
little off beat and very charismatic So I
don't expect anything
different from what we've seen in Australia in
the past. Can they repeat. It's gonna be
incredibly tight. I don't see why not. But
the usual favorites it's
Poland as well as Germany are are still
the odds on favorite.
That said, it's interesting listening to the captains,
speak on, both, contact lost and,
stat podcast,
the amount of preparation, every team that's been
there before
has
increased their
preparation,
team Canada, for example,
the end of the, like, tying, like, 3
rounds, and they said if we eat just
won
1 of those rounds, we would have been
in the knockout phase.
So they're much more determined to do better
this year.
Scotland as well as it's been saying, how
much they're working, the Scandinavian
countries
missed out on a few of the
preview tournament, so they are looking to big
a big... Make a big swipe. The most
hated country in W is England, and
be very curious to see what they bring
because that they're kind of
fortunate that everybody lives within 3 hours of
each other, so they get a lot of
practices.
Team.
And I made the soccer reference earlier. What
about team Usa, Well, team Usa unlike soccer.
And don't get me started by the way,
there... If those you are soccer fans and
watch Cop America. I Am just appalled by
what team they did.
7 years ago.
Team saying 40 k was pretty much Team
usa in Soccer.
I a
excellent collection of individual players who never came
together to form a team.
Plea overhaul over the last few years.
Huge dividends last year. I'd be really curious
to see how they do this year with
their
Not only are they
new team approach, new, you know, set structure
and how players make the list as opposed
to a Captain's pick? But they also have
this academy where players that are not quite
ready for prime time are still getting reps
and still getting practice against the big boys.
This should be really interesting to see the
next step forward and how they do this
year. And that's a little bit of the
home or me rooting for the home team,
but,
Yeah. It's it's gonna be very exciting W,
which is...
Like I said, it used to be kind
of an old boys club that made no
sense. And now it is truly
probably the bet... Beg is collection of the
best 40 k players in the world coming
together for 3 weeks.
Mh.
So
segue from W
being the original,
a tried and true
event
has evolved from being
a single purse... A singles game event to
teams, and that's soc cal. The
other original from Fl g.
Yeah. I was shocked about this. Well, if
part of me like, you know, Fl g,
I gave him a lot of credit
they take risks.
And this is a huge risk.
They're taking 1 of their biggest tournaments
And they front team tournaments before, and they
flat out said they did not... They were
not profitable.
So they take 1 of their bigger singles
events and turn it to a team event.
Is a big shocker, but I think it's
speaks to the team format, growing a popularity,
and the company that's willing to take big
risks,
Yeah. I think the reason why they're willing
to take the risk on soc helping being
a team event.
Is when I went to the Las Vegas
team's tournament for them back in 20 21,
they were 5 band teams, and it was
a simple
best 3 out of 5.
So if 3 of your games
had clear decisive winners,
you won the round. There was no
differential scoring or anything.
So
in order for you to tie. You would
all have to tie kind of thing.
And
that event was fun, but it was
it wasn't put together as firmly as some
of the other other events were. Now because
they're going to a tried and true area,
of soc cal where they probably have more
space.
Okay. They making an 8 man event, people
like 8 man events
let's
now make this
1 if not, the biggest team event in
the world. I know there's some... There's a
collection of players down. I think it's in
Brazil, I think. I know in South America
that had
the largest team event on record besides W
for a long time. I I think it
was Argentina. I'm not sure though, but I
think you're right. So because III know the
name of it was the the eye of
horus event
obviously translated
from
native language to English. But It was...
I think the last time Heard about that
event. I think they had, like,
600
individual players. And they were all 8 man
teams.
Wow.
Something crazy like that. Yep.
So...
So very exciting. Once see is that everything
becomes available to public, we'll be throwing them
up on our social media. So we're looking
forward to,
W and that the the new
new look Soc cal open, I'm still shocked
by this, and, you know, it's both
a team event by the beach. So...
Yep. If some of us can end up
a afford to go. And or kid their
c hosts.
We might be able to actually go.
Yeah. I look forward to. I I would
Yeah. I was what 1 of the guys
for talking about. Was originally on my docket
to go this year, and I'm, you know,
just
things kinda like gets in the way sometimes.
But
looking forward to,
just squeezing it when I can, and, miss
the the social aspect of things. But,
That being said, I'd be really curious to
see,
you know, what other events think, you know,
turn the switch and become a team event.
It's... They said it's a very different
organizing it. And,
from a T standpoint, and as well as
logistics standpoint.
I don't think I've actually azure your run
a team events.
No. I haven't. And
so I don't even know how to set
it up in Bc, but I know it's
it's tricky. So
we'll have to figure all that out. So...
Yep. But for right now, we get to
continue giving you reports on singles events because
that's what we cover. Every week when we
have the time. That's right. So where we
starting today. Well, we are gonna go ahead
and start at the Lone star open that
actually just finished up today
and
the top 5 rounded out to b of
Robert Hawkins in fifth with Demons,
Dominic, Gerber. I probably butcher that last name.
In fourth place with El,
san
George
with T
Clifton Mer, Russell with Orcs.
And first place is Derek App with cass
brace bahrain,
Mh.
It I never would've have thought demons would
be in the top 5, but
Nice to see that chaos space marines back
on top. Interested to see that as well.
Yep. And it's actually a detachment that I
didn't expect to see because everyone likes playing
the raiders detachment because, yay, Up downey super
fast run the shoot army.
This guy brought Cult
Oh, lot of them.
Just.
Because I don't know if C can be
increased beyond 10.
But he has 1234
at least 5 years of normal cult,
some trader guards squads,
cursed cult,
and
I can already tell you that nothing in
this roster besides the rhino and maybe the
characters is higher than tough 3 or 4.
Yeah he's basically playing a regardless. That's where
want. Alright.
Oh, and you're gonna like American pros cipher.
Oh, well, there we go.
But, yes. It's
That is the classic mentality of you can't
kill all of us.
We'll stand on all game if we have
to Yeah.
Wow.
Wow, wow. Wow. Okay.
Kinda keeps on point to the Texas med
there, so it's kinda neat.
Yep.
And
an honorary mentioned to colin him Mc
fairly coming in
just outside of the top 5 with orcs.
I'm sorry Was calling playing Works. Okay. That's
interesting.
Well, yeah. I've... You've seen him jump from,
like, Harley quinn and stuff
to
all kinds of things. So
at this point, I expect anyone to play
anything.
Yeah. A weird freaks its stay with an
army for a year or so. So
I don't know what you're talking about.
Alright. Where are we heading to next?
Well, we are gonna go up to Canada
to the Sas to the Scott Sas...
Juan. It says Saskatchewan.
Yeah. That word.
Said perfectly earlier. I don't know why I
bush butchering. But yes, A Saskatchewan open
And the top 5
carved out to be a byron living stone
with Tyra ins in fifth place, a Casey
s with demons
and fourth,
Adam Green in third place with Vote and,
and then frazier Perry in second place with
world heaters, and then
Anthony Richardson and first place with
Drew Kari.
Yeah. We're gonna talk about that a little
bit later in the show, but,
last week I was like, oh, I went
to an arctic Rt
and
didn't didn't do so hot. Win loss wise,
but it it was just a fact finding
mission. And then another... I read the that
same weekend, Your car went like,
74 percent win rate, And only go, Okay.
I'm just an idiot, but
true enough the
let's said, we'll we'll dolphin them then a
little later when we get the mid table
obscure
there's the haves and the have not when
it comes to that faction.
Yep.
Honestly, I I know I say it every
week with how the game is going so
far, but I love seeing the variety of
armies in the top 5 right now. I'm
not San And first place again is Nec
again
Nec acr, Neck El, Neck El, El.
Yeah.
And this sad part is, like, we were,
you know, we're talking about... It's not like
nec and Are bad. There's there's still major
endeavors. So
But
as tenth edition has been out for a
while now. Where get to come to the...
G w
tacoma open, their own event that happened over
the weekend.
And they actually have... Their placing done
not in their weird bracket system.
In fifth place, we have Steve Trim with
n and fourth places,
Jayden I with space.
The third place is chuck Ga with more
Vote.
Second place is Scott Ke.
With
sister's of battle.
He probably went caught them all. That's right.
And first place is Marshal Peterson,
with orcs
proving much.
Yeah.
Wait you switch the or. What's going on
here?
Well, looking at... So
looking at his roster, he's doing War workhorse.
So... That's the... I think that's the most
common change.
From playing bully boys is they just hop
over to War. Mh.
But I... His list tal gives it away.
What is better than 1 calorie? 2 kill
rigs. I'll give you 3 guesses for what
is better than 2 kill rigs.
3 killer rigs.
Yes, Indeed, there are 3 kill rigs floating
around into this roster group. I can tell
you. I do not have an answer for
3 kill rigs. Okay.
Yeah. That's... Oh, and by the way, there's
also a battle wagon.
Great.
He.
He has so much stuff in vehicles.
Oh, by the way, there's also T.
Holy my crap. Is there...
How much room does the have on this
list? So that's crazy.
Well, T is over 200 points. The Bandwagon
is a hundred and 60 and each of
the kill rigs is a hundred and 70
points.
The thing got, like, probably 330 points left.
And they're made up of storm boys, knobs,
some mega knobs,
lots of gretchen, some flash gets, an extra
truck,
and then some beast egg boys and
boss nick rock. That's
still.
What? Oh my god. Okay.
Yeah.
I like that list that look... That list
looks fun.
Yes.
Congratulations to mister Peterson for
taking
to tacoma.
For the wall.
Alright.
This is it before we're gonna touch a
little bit on,
not only just the car menace, but just
in general. So, it's time for mid table
obscurity and those you if you are.
New to the show. This is where we
take a look at the meta, but I
like boat shows that focus on the top
performing armies
at the top of the game.
Most players are at the 3 and 2
and 2 and 3 levels. So we're gonna
look at the most popular armies.
That traditionally go x and 2 or x...
Of 3 at Gt level events.
And
surprisingly, just as the top of the ladder
has been, you know, very
diversified.
The mid table is also quite diversified. So
your top 3 armies right now. Neck runs
turn and casts space brains are your most
common factions you'll see at the mid table.
But right... Those are all at 7 percent
of the met up of right below it
there's a little coa 6 percent with A
da and then another big clump of tau
empire or and custodian.
Custodian back in the mix, they used to
be 1 of the most popular armies in
the table,
and then the pre codecs, and now all
of a sudden, they're back. So kinda neat.
Space brains. Yeah. Good old vanilla used to
always be prevalent in the table there. Just
just below that ranking.
Drew,
as well, sister's a battle, which is, you
know, another top army people are lament about,
and
space walls. As well as blood angels
all are down at the bottom,
representing only 2 to 3 percent of the...
Mid table meta. So you're either winning with
those armies or you're just
getting a collective of wooden spoons, I guess.
There's there's no middle ground for these armies.
As someone who has seen...
Both blood angels and space wolves played
into winning records.
Blood angels is a
They are just a very efficient army. They
they trade up really well,
but they have the classic issue of, hey,
we have to throw our guns at people.
What happens if your guns don't make it
there. Well they get broken and you don't
have an army anymore.
As for space,
the
the flavors that I've seen them is, like,
either
glad
or the mounted 1
I forgot forget a wolf jail.
Yeah. So
their only problem...
Is that their main hammer units of the
Thunderbolt Cavalry
in the mounted detachment
can't go through walls. So
you can kind of
foresee,
where they're going to end up,
given...
They don't put them in, like, strategic reserves
or something.
The other thing too is their whole army
durability is based off 4 up bulls.
And they're just some days, you don't ever
fail a floor up wall. In their days
you dropped the first 6 saves.
I know this all too well lyric eric.
Yeah.
So it's it's some of those you... It's...
This this just the f of the 4
upstate. This makes it so hard. So...
But
that stuff with 1 of those is you
gotta play against it. It's not a whole
lot of.
List smashing you can do about it to
be prepared for the idea of having all
those
models shoved into to your face and then
solve this problem.
So
Yeah. It's
the same mentality that I do with my
custodian of, here's 15 warden. Can you push
through all of them fast enough? No? Okay.
Yeah.
And the key is fast enough because it's
like gap. Gonna just you pass through it,
but I already have 30 points on primary.
Thank you.
Mh.
And this 1 unit has eaten 3 of
your units. So yeah I'm currently on the
positive.
Yep up up. So
pretty crazy stuff there. So
And while we're here in mid table, I
did count the number of dark lenses in
this Str regardless, There are 13 of them.
Lot higher than I expected. Because, you're seeing
a lot more.
Used to be, you know, sc with dark
lance was auto include. Now you're seeing a
a mix of... Dark lance and haywire a
little bit more.
So
well, I can tell you this. He does
not have a single scourge in this list.
Brilliant. And when you take raw?
Yep.
Check 3 ra each with all dark lenses?
3 units of Man,
2 units of Dubai, 2 Cro, oh 3
Kronos.
A court of the Arc icon, 2 venom,
2 3 raiders.
So at that point, I think I missed
1.
And then a single unit of Ka light
warriors.
Mh
Yeah. Because you're gonna split them and then
put the court in 1 of them. That's
gonna go in 1 the raiders neat. Okay.
And then
Lilith her witches and then 3 icons.
Right.
Yeah, the other 2 icons go with the,
in q eye. Okay.
Yeah. I I like sc.
Because they can move through walls and they
can,
you know, they can move 14 or, you
know, think 14 might be 12 have to
double check.
And then scoot back 6 inches at at
the end of the shooting phase. So you
can go back and forth in the in
between walls
you can move them onto objectives as needed.
It's pretty risky to do so because they're,
T31
wound. I think they have a 5 up
mall.
But
because both the haywire and the dark lands
are are but used to be heavy weapons,
they they hit on fours.
You have to put
pain power from paint tokens into don't to
make them semi effective.
And
Yeah
Yeah. So...
I I think that's why he took the
ra.
Because the the ra...
I believe that you naturally just on threes,
their vehicles, so they're a little bit tougher
than a unit of surges are still made
have of tissue paper,
but it is a thing where they move
the same kind of 10 to 14 inches
somewhere in that range, and you can get
some really funny angles. And
Because they're on a flight stand,
they
only ever lose the 2 inches of movement
just for pivoting. Right? Correct.
Okay.
So at that point, you're...
They're super long and pointy anyway. So you...
Again, you can get a whole bunch of
really crazy angles. Yeah.
So, yeah, and you hit on...
The other thing people's news on is they
have kind of a built in
pain token that if they're firing at a
unit at starting strength.
Re roll ones to hit.
Yeah.
So I kinda did a compromise in my
new list.
I thought the ra was still too big.
And I wanted some flexibility for
big targets and small targets.
So I replaced my excursions with 2 Void
weaver
with
cannons, so I've got either
2 dark glance equivalents,
shots
plus the
she cannons
But then I also have the dispersed mode,
so I have 2 6 shots with blast.
So I can take out hordes or
gel and stuff like that.
That's...
I know what the disagreements I actually played
against a
normal L our list that has some of
those
har tanks. And
they
they are in nuisance
because their shooting profile is just strong enough
to always have me at my home
and always scare my custodian and grab tanks
and they're fast. So I can never catch
them. Right.
And then the other thing I like about
them is as long as I hit... I
don't have to kill anything as long as
I hit a target.
I forced that unit to take a battle
shock.
And if you remember, if you fail the
battles normally only, do you suffer the usual
effects, but I gain a power from paint.
That is definitely a J thing.
Because, like I said, I play it against
Yeah. Craft world. Yeah. So they didn't have
that. Yeah. But, Yeah. I did that 1
practice game is an ari, and it's funny
how even some of the T car
things work better, so get go back to
the sc itself complaining.
You know, you need a pain token so
you can re roll all 4 shots,
in
the battle host,
every unit gets a free re roll to
hits, and I believe, re roll un roll
to wound.
Requesting second 1.
So,
okay, you've got
4 shots
hitting up fours to hit, re roll 1,
you can easily put that to 3 hits.
That's pretty much what you get when you
re roll all of them.
And then... But you get the added bonus
of
re rolling a wound.
So that makes it really effective. So it's
gorgeous get a lot better. Or or almost
equivalent, I should say, in an an na
host. But then things like my favorite reef
jet bites
there's usually not enough pain tokens it's left
over to put it into a, like a
3 man,
river bike. But because in an ari, they
get to re roll 1 to... Your of
course, you're always got re roll
a failed heat lance.
It's all in that heat lance has become
so much more effective.
Then it is in
a standard car list.
So
keep looking at my... An Aria list I
go,
Maybe,
maybe it's a too late to change.
So...
Yeah.
That is something that I've kind of accepted
single shot weapons like dark lance
and
melt... And melts spears and all these other
things that are really high damage, but they
are the swing things in the world.
Okay. If they hit they hit, they wound,
they wound
but I'm not gonna care. Yeah. No Angry
agree with you there. And that's something is
of a... If they go back, you know...
Making notes for eleventh edition or something like
that, and they talk about, you know, the
lower about certain armies are more reliable and
others, you know, take a look at some
of those weapons, still single shot weapons, And
do you give them an extra shot? Or
do you give them something like,
stacking, you know, stained ones
or lethal hits. So, like, the 1 chance
I get the I only roll 1 guy
to hit, but there's a good chance I'm
gonna punch through for the 1 too. So...
Mh.
Or you know, you're shooting your stuff into
me Eric, I just go and for No,
and no. And god dang it. I failed
my fin safe.
Get just trying to get through all that
is is rough.
So your just
I was like, I'm like, I finally I
got through. Take 3 wounds. Like kinda he's
down to 4 like, what
Oh, that actually happened to 1 of my...
Opponents earlier this week where
they were
punching into a warden unit.
They got to the blade champ.
And I went, oh, by way, he's now
down to 6. I did too damage to
him. Yeah. His enhancement gives him 2 extra
wounds. He's oh,
I did not know that 1.
Yeah. It's ridiculous.
I mean, he still got picked up by
that unit of chosen the chaos, but I
picked up that unit in return. So, yeah.
Oh yeah. Let's go back to the
blood angels with their fight on death. That's
always a fun 1. 0, don't remind me.
That
that should not be allowed
ever.
I mean, part just like,
should it be allowed or shouldn't be allowed.
Parties like, there's enough variability that I like
it. I just... Probably just angry because
the army's I play or fight on death
on a 4 plus.
So I'm literally half as effective as that
is.
Yeah. No. I'm...
I am just being
kind of salty because...
None of the armies that I have
do that besides orcs, and I don't have
the right units to do that for orcs.
So when I'm punching into things like blood
angels or other armies that have fight on
death stuff,
fight on death is a perfectly fair thing
because sometimes it's an if,
some armies, it's not.
But in theory, if it's not a
iffy
ability,
it's because the weapons that you're hitting with
are usually
below average, like, hitting on fours
with no re roles of any kind, at
least, I would hope so. Mh.
Yeah.
I don't know. I'm I'm still sense about
that 1. So... And I also think that
should have been, you know, go back to
the
simplified, not simple
that the
final death spinning.
Universal rule.
They should have given it to all of
my custodian.
That would been interesting. But yeah, there's a
couple of rules on noticing couple times on.
This is coming up a lot. Why didn't
they make this a universal rule.
But
it's because they wanted to decide whether or
not to include a 4 up rule or
not.
How could do it? I mean,
you know, fight a death 4 up, find
enough. Just like feeling pain. You know, honestly
if if you really want it,
if you did feeling no pain on a
2 up, it's still probably
super potent. And this gives you that illusion
that he might roll the 1 and he
doesn't fight back.
Mh.
Yeah. That's
it's not the worst feeling in the world,
but it is definitely
your waste... You're using up extra time
of the game clock
to
role to see if a guy fights
before anything else gets to fight because he
died. It's... That's the only... That's the major
dance Sis of it because if you have
a big brick of dudes and then 7
or 8 of them all get to fight,
multiply that by however many attacks they get.
Right.
And maybe that's a way to fix it
is that everybody fights
on death automatically, but you have reduced attacks
or something like that.
This
something. It would
just be
at that point, people would be like, oh,
but I add extra tech That this is
all hype hypothetical.
So
I
I do generally
accept that
this mail pure melee armies
should have fight on death, but it shouldn't
be attached to some units.
Like, I don't know. I can ramble on
about this and I'm not making any more
sense. I'm just something about it. Yeah. I'm
sure there's other people out there feel the
same way about the
What's the 1 in you're shooting me and
the I shoot you back,
mobility for free.
Oh, yeah. That 1 is actually kinda of
funny because of the hypothetical infinite combat that
Wolf from dread not and death companies dread
not gonna have.
So that was a
interesting 1 there too. But yeah we'll see.
You know, there's... But already been several changes
already, so we'll see how the rest of
that.
Tenth edition plays out.
Indeed,
the Alright. Anything else to add this evening.
Nope. Not out of me. I have a
lot of stuff to continue moving tonight.
And Put the house back in order for
me. Yep. I get back to work tomorrow.
So
get this podcast up and and running and
get editing done. So
that's pretty much are sure of this week.
Any questions for us, you can help both
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G will probably see some
you know what Hey. You know what we
didn't see this week?
We did not get AGW preview at Tacoma.
I just realized that.
There was rumors that we were supposed to
get a preview.
And that was supposed to break the the
drought of lack of 40 k contact. I
think
if they... It didn't happen this weekend, then
it's gonna happen
at Gen con, which is in
a week.
Fair enough.
Could be there. And then of course we've
got Nova first week of September after that.
Yeah.
But we'll see what happens. Maybe even there'll
be, like, an oops we forgot to do
this at the event.
Yeah. I don't think so.
But yeah, could be the
pre agents codecs finally coming out. I'm just
curious. I just want the rest of the
road map for the rest of the year.
So...
Mh.
Alright. We'll, keep our eyes glued and see
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