Welcome back to another episode of the podcast.
All things competitive in the world of war
40000.
My name Eric with is my ko Robert.
I have returned
He has indeed, and we're glad to have
him back after a rage of a weekend
last weekend, but we got lots talk 1
our second full weekend of tournament action
related to the new Ryan nexus, we'll get
your thoughts as well as you got quite
a few games at last week in terms
of
experience And we're kinda joking, you got your
deck kinda last minutes there. So you kinda
have to figure out and play on the
way to the first Gt.
Oh, no. To be honest, I just kinda
gave up on studying. It was like, nah.
We're we're we're just gonna go in. But
just weekend and read the cars like know,
for you know, for fun as we've wiped
op big deal.
I mean, I didn't do too bad. No.
Not at all. I really well.
So interesting enough. Yeah. So first thing is,
yeah, congratulations on a very strong weekend.
And, number 2, kinda showing it to people
that, you know,
that every codex is as bad as what
the Internet tells you it is.
Well, someone did a better job of me,
better job than me that weekend, not the
same event with Custodian.
They actually won with the sisters of Silence
attachment, which was hilarious.
But, yes. It is a... Where
playing custodian
as I was playing them
before the codecs with my 15 warden and
my double cl uses
on
any table layout.
Perfectly fine.
They're
not that different.
The
The cl
kind of have lost value
because with the more and more
G w setups that are going on,
I can't create super long firing lanes.
And if they are long, they're really, really
tight. So I don't have a lot of
things to see and shoot with my Is.
Yeah. It's been... If you look at even
alternate non G w layouts, like, the
It, the K t and the w t
boards they're even more condensed. So... Yeah.
The
So I've been kinda thinking it over, and
I think for the time being, I'm going
to switch back to bringing up brick of
terminator
because
playing on layout 7
sc
I'm turning my word Layered 7 is, Of
course, my trade stuff is. That's the,
layered buildings that are
perfect 90 degrees from the long table.
Oh, yeah. And there's, like,
some of them are like, 16 inches wide.
So...
Yeah. It's
I sat there going.
Oh,
I'm gonna...
I thought I was gonna like 7.
I had a field day.
Well forget to down the rewards that what
was in your... What was in your list?
What detachment shake? Off,
I took the shield host because that 1
is,
honestly, it's
the most efficient 1. Just
don't change your game plan very much. Get
hit stuff real good.
You stand on points and your win.
Kind of.
The
and it was 15 Warden,
5 custodian guard with Dr.
I threw a couple people off with 9
prosecutors,
because I had a I had 1 of
my opponents shoot into 1 squad. Anyway, oh
I get blast. No. That's a 4 body
unit.
Dang it. I shouldn't tell that you know.
I don't get blast. No. You. That's a
5 venue.
That was funny.
And then the 2 cl is a shield
captain and 2 blade champions.
Yeah. That's the entire list. I was whole
list. Yeah. I was I was down by,
like, 25 points or something.
Call, 19 35.
But
No. Seems like a very straightforward and also
convenient for travel what's except for the the
tanks. So...
And tell a little bit about the venue.
I went to where it was and what's
going on?
Well, Rage had changed venues from the last
time I went. They were originally at the
nuggets. What's casino, I believe in reno.
Yeah, it was a
little more of a condensed space.
This time around, they actually ended up at
the Lan resort, which has 1 of those
convention hall style things where the balls are,
cal so you can
attach multiple haul together. Oh, neat.
And they were shoved
c all the way in their own corner
to make sure there was enough room for
all different kinds of tabletop and board games
But the venue was
nice, the
only complaint that I have.
Is because they were in the convention center
in order to
get there from the hotel
You need to go to a specific floor
and walk across the sky bridge to go
into the convention center, which was really convenient.
Or,
you know, if you weren't staying at the
Atlantic, you just kinda had to drive the
parking lot to get there.
It's Like I think is the 1 in
in the Caribbean is it's like a big
water resort or is it kind of a...
No. It's
more of a classic,
Nevada kind of resort. There's,
casino floor,
there's
actually an entire
extra floor of non gambling games.
So good old classic arcade machines.
And then
from floor 3 and
up,
I think it's a conference rooms and then
the actual hotel rooms.
Oh, okay.
And what they have for training? Obviously, it
was G w layouts, but kind of train
worth they're using.
They had
made
some very quickly painted,
still nicely painted Mdf style terrain.
That
lined up with most of the terrain layout
measurements,
some fairly long l's,
some walls were shorter
lots of...
Just ruin walls,
the classic G w setup where they don't
like having trees.
But the train was nice and functional. It
It wasn't super flashy,
but everything was
the same, everything
was easy to understand and
they made it very clear that once the
gate... Once you start deployment
the f with terrain,
they become locked in place on wherever they
at on the base.
So you... So you and your opponent had
to
kind of make sure that the buildings
actually lined up correctly
before he started deploying. Otherwise, you'd get some
very awkward looking buildings.
Got it. Okay.
Very cool. Sorry. Let's start off with game
1.
That 1 was
into
let's see if I can remember off. And,
nope. I can't because my brain is fried.
My my round 1 was in
2
I know it was fun. It was a
very, very fun game.
But
tabletop top battles come here.
My I lord savior. It was into works.
Oh.
So entire believe.
It was actually the war.
So,
the the classic
detachment.
And
they
I took fixed,
they took tactical second,
and it was a very
When their turn was going to happen, you
knew it was going to happen.
Because
instead of bringing some extra war bosses and
extra boys, they had ga.
And ga being infantry kinda threw me through
a loop.
Because he ko man through building.
Trust.
But the
the big takeaway.
Was
War hoard still hits really hard
But it proves that if you can survive
the wall and you have enough resources
left, you might be able to pull the
game out of the Orcs clutches.
Because he had
pretty...
He scored 30 points on primary
but I scored 35,
just because of the fact that on turn
on my first turn,
No. I went first. On my second turn,
I
chart, I
Nope. I forget. Anyway, I shot him off
of all the objectives after he moved on
to them.
So on his second turn, he only scored
5.
So it was a...
Oh, yes.
I
went.
Second. So that's why I was able to
shoot them off all of the objectives.
And, yeah, from there, I just kinda held
the middle of the table and
made some pretty lucky charges to tie up
some units.
Then played fixed which to which objectives did
you take?
I took
assassinate in Locusts.
Locusts, I did a whopping 3 times
because everything that was tied up in combat
or died.
And
assassinate
he had Ga.
He had
several
war bosses of varying kinds.
And fun fact,
Ga and mc macquarie
give up double.
Interesting. Okay.
Because M mckay is considered a character model.
And what mission role did you guys have?
We were playing just good old taken and
hold.
No
you,
it manufactured chilling rain or they added something
again? Oh, it was
Michelin.
So we were playing mission L, so it
was taken hold of his supplies and
search and destroy.
So yeah haven't. It was a pretty high
scoring game for...
Pretty much everyone.
Interesting. K? So kind of
sat there and it was the change Nexus
because it's an should waste.
Objective. And
said something I ran into and I was
saying... I took tactical in my games last
week and things that brought up was
should couple times so I think it was
game 2 in game 3.
Specifically in game 3 Gotta hurt me. It
was, like, I kept drawing, like, high action
objectives
twice. You know, Like, so I was like,
0II
think at 1 point, I had to do
over 2 turns. I had to perform like,
12 actions. I was like, well, I don't
have enough miles left to turn 5.
We doing actions and not be shooting.
Yeah. That's something that I will
honestly admit that I've did have a problem
with during the weekend
was
I
sure I took Locusts,
and I did my best to protect my
prosecutors for them to do it well in
the middle.
But
you can only protect them for so long
and sure I could have gotten my
deployment zone,
but there was a wall of works in
the way. Right.
Yeah. That's always...
Always for the fun is trying... How do
I get to some of these places in
the map without
you gotta kinda
create like a pathway for the action monkeys
to get through. So... Alright. Let's go move
on to game 2. So browsing win game
while. Big primary points.
Hard.
This 1 threw me with a surprise because
I got paired into tier knit.
And it was
33M3
heart,
Cool what? So Nexus 1?
No. It was invasion fleet.
Oh.
Okay. And
Yeah. He...
I just couldn't chew through all of the
big monsters fast enough because the
My cl is
had a very short line of sight towards
them. It was a very
it was a very acute angle of an
x.
So
in order to
shoot them,
I had to basically leave my 2 cl
is
exposed,
and hopefully, my...
My boys could survive long enough to let
the clues just pick off a monster or
2. Mh. Because melee, I have the attacks,
and I have the damage to chew through
stuff.
But on the crack back, I'm basically losing
a unit
unless I can trade
up into monsters, which...
I I just couldn't that game. I lost
a whopping 47 to 98.
Most the mission?
That 1.
Was
mission
mission deep. So scorched truths swift actions
and tipping point. So Mh 1 of the
newer deployments, and then the battle line get
to do actions, which didn't really matter for
either of us. Because I only had 1
battle unit. He had none.
But the scorched earth change was
very different
because
now you can sc in turn 5,
it didn't really matter which 2 objectives that
he burned.
He was always gonna cap out at 98.
Like, there was
nothing I could really do to stop him
after each shoot through my word units.
Got it. We any chance he didn't have?
Battle line did you run the security mission
to pick up the quick 20?
Enough. It
There there wasn't any
reason for me to do that
because I did take fixed.
I took bring it down because obviously big
stump monsters. And then I had to take
a throw away 1 of... Well, I have
to cleanse
2 objectives.
So
I'll have my prosecutors do that. No.
I'll have them be pillow afforded by warden.
Didn't matter.
The the warden died too quickly, and I
had to go first.
So it gave him an easier time to
get to me.
Interesting. Okay. Yeah. I was telling last week,
with my game against the don and his
death he had no
battling units. So I was like, cool.
Sure enough at to end of 3. I
was losing on primaries. I was like, I
will
pick the mission here that I have destroyed
all your battle on units. So again,
So in which he kinda knew what was
going to anyway. So round the bat give
me an extra 20 on primary. I was
like,
Yeah. I did get the Moral victory though.
I got his 1 bio.
I made all the way across the table
to kill the 1 bio board.
And in the process, I actually had an
ex cream fail a desperate breakout test.
And it just died.
No
We both laughed at. I was like, yeah.
No. This won't change anything. I'm not gonna
win the game, but that was funny.
Oh, hunting to be to loose for that.
Boy.
Yeah. But then he
turned around and
ate that last unit of warden, it wasn't
anything special.
But
Ken, I believe finished up in the top
5
of the event with his tyra.
Boy excuse me a little bit of a
boost when you... When you lose to somebody
and I'm like, oh, they they almost podium.
Okay.
Good to know.
Yeah.
But that's essentially what happened in round 3
as well.
Do what happened in round 3?
I got paired to the guy that won
the event.
Man mister legend.
Yeah. The guy who's currently
at least eighth place in the It c
rankings from what I saw. The other day,
Ben and his blood angels
he wasn't playing orcs,
and the blood angels list was as
straightforward.
As custodian are, I'm going to run at
you. I'm going to hit you really hard,
and there's not gonna be anything left.
Because you had, like, 30 death companies or
something.
Yeah. That's 1 of those.
I was, like, blown away. When the day
late came out and Was like,
no changes.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Me and Ben got to chat a little
bit after the game because
the game was over so quickly that the
only mistake that I found initially
was the
fact that me going first, I ran out
into the middle to just hopefully score, primary,
which I knew I wasn't going to do.
Right.
And
his death company came in,
eighth an entire unit of Warden,
Custodian guard went in,
And on death, almost 8 that entire unit
too.
Oh, wow
dead.
Swing on death. Is that powerful? Okay.
Well, they were also swinging with Power fist
and stuff?
Still, though.
I couldn't remember do letting angles angels get
automatic swing on death? Or is it swing
up 4II
believe it's automatic. Yeah. It's probably why.
Yeah.
But, yeah, No, It was
it was absolutely a massacre of the custodian,
but he
he did say that this matchup in general
is a very hard 1 for custodian because
it's
bodies and value versus just value.
So
Blood angels will willingly throw a unit of
10 death company with a chaplain into something.
To eat it and then lose the death
company because the death company, yeah. Fight on
death pick up the unit that just blew
it up. So it's like,
unless you're playing tau or Rad or something
with a lot of shooting,
The desk company are literally going to answer
every single thing in the army.
Yeah. It's been unfortunate.
Yeah.
It's kinda like on those even if you
can trade, you're going to lose on every
every trade. So...
Yeah. It's the
it's the match up where
I would need to first snip out
the chaplain lens out of the unit.
With precision attacks,
I don't have a lot of those.
And then
I'd also have to make sure that I
always charged them
and made it so that way they didn't
have fight first.
Which is this... Because I think they outnumber
you in terms of units.
So... Oh, yeah. They basically
have
the 3 units of death companies, some assault,
some jump,
and then some
a couple of other things. They didn't outnumber
me by a lot, but
they just... They had twice as many bodies.
Right.
And I know they get plus 2 strength
on a charge. They get plus 2 strength
went when charged as well. Can't remember.
I believe it is
on the charge and also,
plus 1 wound, I think. Because, basically,
my... When they would go into my word
units,
they would always
cancel out the minus 1 that the worms
have.
So, yeah. They're wounding my words on threes
instead of winning them on fours.
Yeah.
All I catch up with you. So...
Yeah. And with the lack of
minus 1 damage in my army.
2 damage
is the same as 3 damage, basically,
Sure. It takes 2 saves, but it's...
Alright.
There will... There it goes 1. There goes.
There goes 3. And just. I I start
falling over.
Great.
Yeah. I could see that. Alright. So
wrapped up day 1,
so far. Okay. 1 and 2.
Thoughts and early thoughts on nexus at this
point.
It's
since we were playing basically layout out for...
From the Leviathan packet where it has the
really nice safe l's in the middle
and
I was still feeling okay, Nexus didn't really
change anything.
So it still feels like the same as
exact game plan for me, except for the
fact that
me taking...
Guardian Spears means nothing now because I can't
advance an action anymore.
With exception for that 1
mission role. Yeah.
So it's
alright. Cool. I'll just keep doing custodian things,
and I'll walk forward.
I will out underscore you on primary. Just
because every single time you touch this button,
I'm going to kill you.
Yeah.
III colleague... I know he talked about it,
and I got totally caught off guard in
1 of our games last week
where I was like, oh, yeah. I'm not,
let me measure it. Oh, I'm 10 inches
away. I'm too inches short. How does advance.
Oh, wait. Assault weapons don't let me do
actions anymore. Oh, no.
Yeah. And playing
Ben,
we were doing purge the foe rapid escalation.
Crucible battle. So it was a it was
a short jog for him, and we basically
had no mission rule because neither of us
used any kind of reserves
to Good point.
Yeah, on
day 2, though, day 2 was the...
Alright.
In order for Ben to win, I have
to win both my games because he got
paired down to me, which
threw a lot of people off.
So into
round 4, I got paired into...
On a mate, like, a really friendly
astro
player.
Still such thing.
Well, well, when he shines up... When he
shows up with a shadow sword, yes. He's
a friendly astro player.
Great. Super heavy tanks. Awesome. How sponsors and
thousands of tubes are inside this thing.
Well, the shadow store doesn't get to carry
anything.
Oh, okay.
You're... I think you're thinking of, like,
the band or something. I don't know. But
There's 1 that has, like, it I to
12 guys and it's open top. What was
it at the time?
So the guy's inside were shooting out of
it. I was like, what is this nonsense?
So...
But
so
day 2,
we had switched over to layout number 7
in Par,
which is the other
1 that I was excited to try
because
it's basically
onion layered buildings. So you have
Lots of safe approaches
until you get to the middle.
And then turns into a giant kill.
And you've got wide
buildings too because it's like the 12 or
the 10 inch
base next to the 6 inch base. So
it's like a 16 inch wide
ruins.
It's it's huge. It's a really interesting layout.
Yeah. And
that we were playing on
tipping point again.
Because we were playing
mission number
mission letter
c. So it was Lin pin Fog and
tipping point
which
actually came up in an instance where
my
I got to shoot
down range
at
his
at an en
cara off,
whatever the
guy in the chair.
And then
his
shadow sword,
I think,
No. No. It wasn't a shadow sword. It
was like a unit of infantry or something.
But
he had to go first...
He ran out 1 troop dudes into the
middle.
I shot it to death.
I almost killed the in.
And the thing that I think swung the
game
forever into my momentum
was
the fact that
I rolled in advance on my blade champion
unit that was right up in the corner
of tipping point and hidden from any kind
of shots.
I get to go 12 inches.
I measure the distance to the bain blade
I, like 17 inches away.
So I get up there.
And the Beam blade can't well not the
Beam blade, but the shadow sword can't see
me.
So it
nothing gets to overwatch me. I'm perfectly safe.
But I think I did get a little
close because I think 1 of the demolish
cannons or something got to fire in and
picked up some mourn on the way in.
But anyway,
I
make the charge into the shadow sword on
turn 1, and I'm sitting there just
hitting this thing on the side for, like,
3 turns.
But it's... I have it
cornered so that way, it has to... It
has to go scoot straight back,
away from me,
which will take it out of line of
sight for shooting,
I'm trying to picture this how they tank
can't.
So if you look at the terrain layout,
right there
at the
top of the table
So if you had north from the center
objective,
that big pocket that's near the
attackers
deployment zone. Mh. Is where he moved the
the shadow sword up to. It was from
this little
pair of buildings
that I was able to charge through and
wrap the
bottom left corner of the shadow sword,
and it was right up against the edge
of the board, so it could only go
1 direction.
Okay. Now I see it.
I it didn't have the
movement to go over me.
Because they would end up on top of
my malls. It was stuck behind a building.
So it was
he ended up putting
unit of guards went into me, and it
was kind of a long dry out combat.
But because I got to hold the
the tank there, I got to focus his
forces into 1 place, and I just
racked up primary on him for the entire
game.
Yeah. When I'm thinking when you were blowing
away, you said earlier how you're blowing away
units as they came to the middle. This
just like, yeah house going to
inside if from maybe an over unit how's
he gonna hold an objective at this point?
Yeah. He had some rough units that
actually could move
pretty fast off of the get go,
but he had basically deployed the shadow sword
cover 1 flank and the rough riders to
cover the other
and
I caught the rough writers and the in
equator on the bottom right objective.
And from there,
I was tan with tank commanders
and
other stuff down there,
So my opponent was just kind of
dealing with Jan in his
deployment zone just going... Nope. Nope. Nope, you're
not doing anything. Just...
Yeah. That was a really solid victory of
94 to 38.
Nice.
Alright. Even at the record at this point
going to the final game of the weekend,
what mission you got, and what are the
rules?
So
my last 1 was actually a match up
I was kind of worried about,
because I cut... I got paired 2
the raiders detachment for chaos space marines.
The good old Up upbeat downey work talents
are murdering everything 1.
See are these are these still murdering people?
I don't know.
Well,
I thought they would murder people.
Turns out it was wrong.
But we were playing mission f.
So we had burden of trust hidden supplies.
And Hammer.
It's your second hidden supply. It's interesting. Okay.
Actually,
let me... Oh, know. I deleted the packet.
But, yeah. There was
I remember talking to the T because when
I
pulled out
hidden supplies to set up the mission.
It was... Okay. There's supposed to be 6
objectives here.
Everyone was playing with 5.
But the T corrected me going.
No. We're not doing his pies again. We're
doing this 1.
Because I... It was different in the packet.
So it was the it was the only
custom brew mission that they did for the
weekend.
Got it. Okay.
So, no. There was sadly not 6 objectives
for me to stand on.
But it was the
the guarding unit 1. This 1 was really
really confusing.
Is the 1 where you get, like, extra
2 points if you
keep a unit omni objective or something like
that? Yes. You
nominate a unit to guard the objective and
all that other stuff.
So
it
wasn't
it wasn't a terrible mission,
because again, it's out 7, there's not a
lot of firing lanes for people to set
up at...
And my opponent goes first.
His warp talents are starting on the table
and they're hidden inside of a building.
Well, in order for me to get them,
I would have to
advance
dr and Her Custodian guard way out there,
which would completely get rid of the point
of her,
shooting at them within indirect fire at 18
inches.
So
the first turn very much
was a...
Low scoring turn for both of us.
He got secure no man's land and no
prisoners.
We went through my turn. I scored 0
points. I was just, nope. Gonna move up.
I'm gonna
crack open that rhino now. I'm gonna do.
This thing I'm gonna set up behind these
walls. I'm
Go ahead.
Because I took a assassination, Locust again.
And, yes, I did notice a whopping 3
times. I only got 6 points on it,
12 points total for the entire weekend.
And the big turn was his turn too.
He
he charged in with
both of
his
legion air squads that had a super murder
characters. It was ridiculous.
And
had set up the rubric marines and stuff
to do sabotage and containment. And...
So he had a lot of action ones
that round.
The crack, though,
he
lost
both units of legion,
along with their chaos words,
And then I just got to dominate the
table from there outside of his
vin indicators that were
chunking holes in my units, but
a couple turns of harassing vin indicators with
cla grab tank kinda solves that
Interesting.
Okay.
And
from there, it just kinda came down to...
I'm going to tank
his primary,
he legitimately only scored 8 points.
That's brutal. Oh my gosh.
Was it just not trying or what was
he just like, it... He only scored 8
points on primary. He's still...
Yeah. He scored 23 points on secondary because
he was playing tactical.
But
because he had to go first, he had
the same problem that most of more often
than not I do where I walk onto
the button,
I can't do anything.
So my opponent has the chance to walk
forward and charge me and do something about
it.
I got to keep charging him.
And just go, nope.
Kill everything.
Nice. Okay.
So that wraps up the weekend for you,
and you're trying to about... Remember finished.
And it was the top 15. Was sure.
I finished in thirteenth. Thirteenth place?
Which...
So looking back on it, first of all,
any other thoughts. Nexus and
also any need changes to the list.
Well,
that's where I get into the phone philosophy
of list building in this
version of the game.
Leviathan, you had to have
a nice mix of things that could
shoot with the fairly long,
line of sight that you have on some
tables.
You
had to move around a lot more
because the deployment zones were were
felt a little bit wider so you could
deploy farther.
In Par,
so far,
it has felt like,
the deployment zones are more condensed.
So sure you have...
Technically more room to deploy because they're squares
instead of triangles,
but
it's a
you're not losing out on deployment zones
because they're all
triangles and stuff.
Because you can't fit units into the little
wedges.
Right.
Supposedly it, That's why they made the changes.
But if... Interesting how all these kinda steps
now.
Create some interesting areas where there the distance
between the 2 armies that I'm turning 1
in a lot closer than
we used to?
Yeah. Like, tipping point
is
actually a very fun 1 to deploy on?
Because being all the way up in the
middle of the table
can
really change your game plan on what you
wanna do.
So if you have a a jump unit
that can go through the wall to go
do something in the middle,
do it. Right?
Super easy.
But for
Yeah. Tipping point is hammered and Lynch pin
is
the Dawn war 1.
I think.
I still get them mixed up. But anyway,
we too. Yeah. I can't rid out of
the maids.
It
feels like they've really pushed it to
we want fights to be close and intense
So let's go ahead and let the armies
get closer together.
Because not all of the train layouts,
allow for
healthy
firing lanes like layout 7.
That 1 gives you
an x
to fire through, which has, like,
a hundred and 70 degree angles
towards the deployment zones and then like 3
degree angles in no man's.
So it's just a really, really tight x
that you can't see out of.
You mentioned a little bit were only did
nexus only a few times throughout the weekend.
So 1 thing Rain I talked about last
week was, yeah the...
Next codecs up is the redacted codecs, which
if you believe what you read on the
Internet is supposed to be imperial agents. And
we have 25 points.
Is that something you would splash in maybe
some action monkeys or maybe ditch 1 of
the tanks for some action monkeys?
This for a few more secondary?
The the list
the list change plan is actually to
remove
both of the tanks.
Go with terminator,
and have
and kinda keep it this
Just keep it the same where
I have infantry buys that can go around
places and do things if I need to.
But I'm until I see
other things that my army really needs. To
focus on, like, having a call assassin or
more prosecutors or something like that.
It's to Now, we are...
We walk into the middle of the table.
We just out pressure you because we're big
and heavy and we hit really hard.
And
if we have to take fixed second,
that's perfectly fine with us.
Interesting. Alright.
That's at least how I feel anyway. It's
I'm gonna have to take another a look
then back at the fixed.
Second. I had the
interesting
where I was taking full advantage of
being able to spend that command point to
red draw 1 of my tactical. I think
I think 1 game, I must have done
it 4 times. And
just to, like, rather than just eat it
and go, I'm not gonna be able to
score this 1. You're like, no, I want
something I can score. This is a tight
game. Every point it's gonna count.
And
now looking back on it would have that
much random and that's 4 command point I
wasted on that. Do I go back and
go
build the list towards
key second.
So
from
My last game, my opponent actually did have
the chance to cycle through multiple cards.
In 1 turn,
because of unlucky draws and he did do
orders and everything else.
And
it can help a lot
there's no doubt.
So if I had
more...
If I had like my
3 units of terminator
that were in pairs,
going around and doing actions,
that's exactly what they would be for. Yeah.
It's a hundred and 30 points.
But
It's
2 bases that I can just drop somewhere
to do something.
Yeah. I don't think that's such a bad
idea. I think in the Leviathan, people have
been like, oh, wow, that's waste of time.
There's so many new actions now that complete
at the end of your opponents turn,
the fact that I... Oh, he's gonna do
those actions.
It's well, wait. They're 2 terminator bodies. I
don't know if I can eliminate them before
the action. The complete.
Yeah. And that is
generally
a...
It's
something that I I know for scorched, I
I took that
because it
worked out swimming
where my
my units could easily
just
be places and do things and
just kind of exist,
the problem with the list because I'm currently
recreating it
is I had a Cal assassin.
The ka assassin is now a hundred points.
I would need to drop 10 points somewhere
to get the assassin here again.
It's a lot of points, especially with
social with your army because there's just not
that many.
Then, like,
you've eliminating big chunks of army to move
points up and down. So
Yeah.
But the... This is an option though.
Because if I were to bring a brick
of terminator, I'd have to bring a character
with them.
So that way, they could have access to
the reduced Cp costs
because of a shield captain.
So, yeah, It's... I I would have to
be Nickel diving myself
to find a penny.
Right.
That's the hard part. Just trying to figure
know. That's really gonna be worth it or
not. So
So I'm instead going to play my brick
of 5 terminator, and I'm going to play
a shield captain with them.
Who is going to have 9 wounds?
Yeah. How does that sound? A tough 7
9 wound to with a 2 up in
a 4 up.
Yeah. Infantry. We're just like, what?
Yeah. That's a single shield captain. Yeah.
Yeah. It's tougher than some and hot.
But, yeah, the...
It's
it's kind of changed my philosophy on how
I wanna play 40 k
where
my custodian, I wanted to
literally just kill anything I could touch.
Now it's say, I only want to kill
what I have to.
To stand in places.
That's a little bit different 20 used to
do. So...
Because I know in the couple games that
you and I have and Eric, it's a...
I walk into the middle. Your shooting comes
in and it bothers me,
but it doesn't
normally pick up enough bodies for it to
really scare me until your ink you by
or little show up. Right.
Case, there's another brick right behind it.
Yeah. And
okay. The ink by show and and or
Lilith comes in
kills
2 or 3 custodian.
And then I
wipe the unit with the character and the
other
2 custodian that are left.
Because your may off tissue paper.
That is true.
So
that's why I kind of... I was saying
last week Was like, why am I?
Struggling so much on second. It's never been
an issue and that's exactly it is
so many of these actions, they don't
completed the end of my turn. They completed
the end of my opponent's turns. So, like,
god, I'm not a gear or more or
less, I'll stop in my not be outside
my transport by joy. So
it's kinda hard to score some of those.
Yeah. It's a...
And
playing against the cast screen player,
because
raiders works the same way as your sky
result does where they would prefer to hop
out of rhino and do stuff. Mh.
I I pointed out to him that the
way he could've have mitigated my army was
your...
You... You force down 1 side with, like,
here's 1 rhino jump out charge. Here's another
rhino jump out charge, and you you do
it kinda 1 at a time, so that
way, you're... Hammering the same side
because my army was spread evenly across the
table, So it would have taken me a
turn or 2 to get up to meet
him,
No. Absolutely. That's actually the problem I had
my first game is I was concentrating when,
like, got there excels.
Had various distractions, and
I went wide.
And if I just
angle by army to... I'm gonna take up
this third of this quarter of the table
and just wipe it out.
With alt my entire army, and then it's
like, okay, by the time you reposition your
army to
clap back
I
still am only facing half your army that's
left.
And then I could take out that half.
And now I can get everywhere on the
board because I have superior speed.
Especially with the
that cor air based red course air based
chaos space. You've got
movement
galore because you... Everything's got solved. So... Yeah
The the raiders attachment.
Yeah.
Couldn't remember the name of it. But, yes,
the fast gun is that everybody talks about.
So, yeah, you can get to wherever everywhere
you need to be and still be able
to shoot.
Yeah. The
the thing was...
The most of his shooting
was specifically his 2 indicators.
He didn't have a lot of other shooting
in his roster besides the
chain cannons and legion units, which just...
Kind of evaporated.
Oh,
because custodian are really good at killing legion.
Well I think he goes back to what
you're saying. He said he's spreading them out.
Now, he has 2 or 3 liter legion
generic units firing at the same unit to
s. Gonna
I remember engineers get, like, re rolls to
wound
and turns their scenarios, all of a sudden
those add up pretty quick. Oh, yeah. Like,
he...
He would have had so many extra things
to do if he had
been a little more patient
because
as I pointed out to all of my
opponents that I won against...
I won the fight fades because I got
to dictate the fights.
The 1... The 2 games that I lost,
I didn't get to dictate the fights. And
if we did, I lost them.
That's a good way to describe it. It's
pretty pretty stuck. Because when you think we
go back to, again with, you know, the
blood angel game.
You either got run or you ran them
over, but on fight on death. They ran
over you again. So mh. I couldn't dictate
a winning fight.
Right.
Interesting. Mh.
So it's
I I do believe that some armies,
not all armies will be able to
pivot to have that
We don't need the long range shots. We
need the medium range shots.
That... So that way, we can play up
close and personal,
And as soon as we pop out, the
thing that we look at is evaporated,
but now we're danger close to the enemy
army. So we have to make a big
enough hit
to
not have it be a problem.
Right.
Yeah. It's
yeah can get your strengths to me. This
is of of of your army. You kinda
look at don't have this shit
to think of, you know, we mentioned tau
and maybe guard. I don't know. It doesn't
seem the way the ga player you played.
Trying had it, but who has that kind
of shooting where they can just step back
and I can eliminate this bodies off an
objective.
Like, the iron storm
detachment for normal marines can do it.
Nights.
Yeah. Nights. Oh. Yeah. That was a big
1 I didn't get to run into,
but nights being able to walk through buildings
and stuff.
Is is huge on things like tate on
layout 7. Because you can just go, I
don't care if my big nice battle shocked.
He's going to walk. His 10 inches
through this building.
Rolls the dice. Oh, he's not val shock.
Cool.
Charges into whatever you want gone.
Yeah. And then
I wanted is to taken
all the new movement changes. I mean, the
pivot aside, they can, you know, walk into
an in engagement range don't you don't end
an engagement range.
The character can still actions. It's like, oh.
Yeah. Titanic characters can do a lot of
stuff. Yeah.
It's... It is mostly the idea of...
Because talking with Ben about it too. The
other option is I dropped the clay and
some other stuff, and I bring heinous rex.
Yeah. That's a very popular option. We saw
a great night player do that. Yep green
nights with keen.
I played Don with Death guard and he
had, I can't remember which cast night it
was, but it was a big 1
with
the
Dow Canada then flame. So It's just like...
Oh, yeah. That's such a spoiler. Yeah. Spoiler.
Yeah. I know.
Ray. Told me last week and I totally
forgot again.
But, you're seeing a lot more which III
get, you know, it's kinda cool this splash
1 in.
And
much more very effective way of things. So...
Mh.
So
I I will expect to see...
Lists that can
do the mid range game.
Better
because they'll stay... They'll be able to stage
safer in buildings
on some of the terrain layouts.
Given I haven't played all of them, obviously,
I've only played out played layouts 1 and
7.
So 7 is a
Melee Armies dream. Just nope. You're never going
to shoot me unless I want you to.
And layout 1 is the nice even battlefield.
So
playing on
the other layouts will
possibly have different outcomes.
In need. So
I think get some more... Yeah, get some
more practice in and
look at what
was interesting when we looked at the big
events last week,
trying quantum commonality
missions. There was exactly done.
Balls game, we looked at 3 tournaments, 2
of them ran
Brian,
11 missions, 11 different varieties. So I think
everybody's still in that
trial phase. And curious what see what comes
up. Because so far Haven't seen really...
Big changes at lists at this point, but
it just seems like the philosophy is definitely
changing.
And, of course, we've got W c coming
up pretty soon cares to see what comes
out then.
Yeah. And that's
generally what I've seen to. Lists don't change.
You just
apply them differently.
Yeah that's great way saying it.
So, yeah. I'm just kinda rethinking my...
I mean, I made 1 tweaked trial from
my last tournament, but it was something it
was already...
I knew it had the change. I just
didn't know what direction to going in.
And
now that I've made the change, I kinda
go. Yeah. Okay.
And... But it's... Again,
like, before the show was trying, like, mess
around without.
Let me start from scratch.
Clear and it just ended up being the
same
core
army.
And I was like, why bother making changes
at this point because it's it really has
more 1 to do with how it used
the units, not what's in the unit, you
know, there wasn't, like, these units all that
are have new life or something like that.
It wasn't the case at all.
So...
Yeah. And that's generally where I sit with
my army in general.
I just need to apply my units differently
instead of walking for and going hurt, you
can't kill me
because things will kill me.
That is true.
It's fair enough guns. That's something you'll die.
Or you can just have my luck and
roll
2 out of 7 4 up saves.
Yeah. It's there's the growth 4 up. It's
either
un un
unlucky or your opponents It's like, oh, my
god. Everyone file save.
Yeah. That's kinda what happened in my work
game.
Mc macquarie
saved.
20 out of
22
saves.
Now given he has a 2 farmer... A
2 up involved, but it was still like
a
con man.
You're gonna fail 1 of these.
That's brutal.
Oh, we both got a hoo out of
it because
the rest of them
had to
go on to gas and then gas got
to swing back and eat
merge, like, fork custodian.
Oh gosh. Oh, well.
Alright. So another grip week. I got kinda
spoof a little bit by, games workshop today.
I'm all excited. Is said this week's previews
and then saw a T
wait
picture. And I was like, oh, we're getting
something new for your card. Yeah. We're getting
a book.
From Black library.
Yeah. It's... With all of the stuff going
on for
Of Sigma fourth edition.
I'd be
I wouldn't hold my breath for any drastic
40 k releases besides when a codex is
coming out.
Yeah. Which we still don't know what it
is. I mean, it's still the redacted ones,
the last 1 on the road map.
Yeah.
But
otherwise, I'm...
I'm just happy that
my historians still handle the game as they
did.
At the start of the edition,
and at the end of Ninth edition.
We just annoy people with 4 open involves
I'm just like, yeah, the T6T7
and infantry is like, holy crap. So
It doesn't matter for some armies, but oh
boy. It matters for others.
Yes. It does. Definitely does a good stat
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Yeah. Don't remind me. I've only played 1
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