Welcome back to down the episode of the
Podcast. All things competitive in the world of
War hammer 40000.
My name is Eric with Rebecca Host Ray.
Hello?
Rob is at a tournament to weekend begin
it. He is still traveling back. So you
got the 2 of us this night, and
desiree ray equally
an eloquently said, We are the age of
uncertainty at this point both in terms of
previews and as well as what the meta
will shape up to be. So we try
to break it down based on the trends
that happened over this weekend. Tournament action, keep
you guys informed of what to expect.
So first and foremost,
If you're not a Sigma fan, there's not
much to read on the work on pages
of these days.
Nope. It's.
Agent.
I think, with the last 3 weeks, there
been more kill team articles than 40 k.
Yeah. I think there was something about some
sort of an update for Kill team there.
Yeah. They got their balanced data late and,
I guess they're gonna be starting a new
season as well. I don't
Think it's related to pair p nexus but
it's gonna be something different.
But yeah, not much at all.
Which also leads us to believe with, if
you look at the map, the only codecs
has not been revealed is the infamous
redacted codecs.
So,
thoughts would it could be any changes at
this front?
I
I'm not even bothering trying to guess at
this point. Yeah.
I still think your original theory is the
best in that it's a codex?
It's probably staring in this in the face
and the reason why they red redacted it
is the new model that's included is on
the cover.
I still think. That's my favorite.
Most
rumor pun are saying it's in imperial agents
that which is drives me nuts so.
Ridiculous that the imperial
gets a, an entire codecs related to these
are things you can flash your units into
your army for free.
We like,
we'd love to get some sort of mercenaries,
or k like that for chaos or zeno
powers. But anyway... I regret. So,
but what's interesting what a lot of people
are talking about is death launch didn't get
a codex. Well death watch get folded into
the pro Agents codecs, instead of getting its
own codecs.
You know? I
I've heard talk about that, but I don't
to any of its business... Subs.
I myself.
I don't see that being the case because
then subs
Once again, you've got people having to log
around 2 codex,
to play a action,
I
I see it being something
more along lines of a supplement.
It'll be a thin book.
Mh.
I will admit I don't know how thin
a purely
agent to the Imperium codecs would look like.
At the same time,
I
and imperial agents are of, like, the 1
thing I don't see becoming a codex
just saying as an index because
like, let's be honest, they're the str or
still don't fit anywhere really.
Right. Yeah.
Yeah. I I feel it they.
I get the lore wise why they fit.
And I they've been in the gain point.
I think it's it was a quiz.
I think her name is the tilt the
sw the when looking 1. Yeah.
In they're cool characters. I'd love to the
eyes in the horn back in the game
when they just it's server purpose.
And but do... Yeah, your own codecs that's...
Stretching in a bit. I think there's what
4 quiz models and 4 thousands, and that's
about it.
And then there's all the kill team
units that are
playable in the game.
Oh, okay.
Look the imperial navy and stuff like that.
Yeah. The imperial Navy,
the...
I freaked...
I forget that they're called, but they look
like the judge drugs.
Oh, the
diabetes. No I think there that it. Yeah.
Yeah.
Except they're not called Ar. There is, like
3 different names depending on how you decide
to kit them out. Mh.
Which... Anybody who's looking for those?
They're all in 1 box. I forget which
1 they're under
That's why you can't find them.
For some reason I thought, I I always
get those guys mixed up with the new
basically police force and Ne bundle. Those guys
are really cool. I like them. But...
Forgot what they're called, but
hollow, I think it is. Don't like that.
No.
So, yeah.
Not a whole lot new on horizon.
It's funny the other day I trying to
figure out why our...
Why is didn't watch so bad? Because not
only is it at the lowest of the
low in terms of wind percent.
So a few people are playing it, most
that aggregates are don't even wanna count it.
I mean, something the defective, like, 3 people
a weekend to play this army.
And
the quick thing I found was, let me
read its army rules, and I don't get,
like, reading and reading and reading and reading
and I'm going like. Are these rules are
Faq,
and it... They don't even have really an
army role other than explain how to operate
their kill teams. They don't get anything special.
I was like, oh, it's just a detachment.
That's weird.
Yeah. I...
I honestly think
that
death watch is
probably a little bit more
better used in narrative
than in a tournament scene,
and I'm not going to
tell anybody
not to play in the tournament, but
kinda like when you're trying to... You know,
your... When your pet unit is
currently, like, the worst performing unit of the
game. It's like, yeah,
You do you, but recognize what's going on.
Yeah.
I don't know. I'm trying to figure out.
I think that's what's probably holding them back
because
strategies are good. Done great. I think the
biggest round with strata is that they only
affect, like, 1 unit. But now I'm trying
to kinda rephrase it in my head.
With the new data slate,
Are their characters allow them to use it
twice? I don't think... I don't think you're
allowed to use Strat twice anymore they rid
of everything. Right? It just costs
at a reduced Vp or something like that?
Good. Gen not generally speaking nowadays
unless it specifically says so.
You cannot use a a strata more than
once. That's what 5 phase. Yeah. Yeah. It's
definitely not spelled out because I'm thinking
3 of their strata or the old,
special ammo. So you have to spend the
command point to fire hell found hell fire
rounds or your Go round. And stuff like
that. And
for 1 unit, it's gonna meh.
If you have 3 units, I think that'd
be kinda cool
But
for 1, it's just like it's just not
enough
oo to to make it worth it. So...
Yeah. No that that's
that really is the kind of thing I
feel like oh, if you're gonna make it
a strata.
Make it a strata that's arm... That works
army wide at once. So
Right. It's not just... Oh, this unit's is
gonna use it. It's...
I've just ordered my entire Arm to you
use their special this round. Yeah.
And then dedicated models. I mean, there's the
the fighter
transport.
Flyer thing. They have Blacks stones, the Blacks
star. I forgot what's it's called Cor. I'm
remember call. Black star. Yeah. Francis. We just
said because I think that's probably 1 of
the coolest
imperial
planes
in the game. Oh, absolutely.
And then
there's a, I think the watch faster, the
1 character and
but beyond that, I don't know there's...
I think.
Yeah.
Everything else is generic. Yeah. So
I just don't know.
So this kind of bizarre. So
Yeah. In the end, we'll find out. Yep.
Anyway.
So, yeah, Looking forward to seeing what that
would be. Also looking forward to
you know, hopefully extending the road map, Please
get an idea else coming up down the
rest of the year.
1 thing's for sure we're probably not gonna
see much for the next few weeks.
The next major
or super major tournament, would be Nova, which
is Labor Day weekend or
first speaking September for those of our,
listeners outside the United States.
And so we've got about 6, 7 weeks
before we're looking at
any previews.
Yeah. Although
thinking of it just now,
originally weren't they saying that the
currently redacted
codecs was gonna come out summer.
Correct. So that should be the next codex.
So if I've worked out how they work,
how they they decide the seasons,
it
might actually be more accurate refer to them
as quarters.
Mh.
In which case,
we should be seeing
1 way or another,
the codex in question come out by the
end of September.
Wow, yeah. That's kinda late. But... Yeah. It
makes sense.
Yeah. At the same time it means we
might see them... Preview that
before
their next preview.
Which is likely to be Nova.
Good point. Could be.
I don't anxious to see it,
see whatever it is. Just kinda see what
the rest of the map looks like.
And
what's what's to come? So
interestingly as we looking over the tournaments for
this weekend and, which ones were playing? Par,
which ones were still on Leviathan. Kind of
a mixed bag still this weekend as the
deck was just coming out. You did get
your copy of the deck. Correct? Yes. It
did. Yeah. So so did I I know
Robert got his, like, literally last minute it.
Like the deep, like, He got it. And
then, like, in the mail and then, like,
the next morning he was driving to the
tournament. So he was like,
reading it, like,
like, basically, I think he was reading it
as he was playing.
Yeah. It's quite likely.
So
very interesting there. I have you gotten the
games in with the newt tech yet?
Nope.
Yeah. I got, 3 in yesterday. I was
at a small R g.
Okay. Went in with 0 expectations Is strictly
let's see what it works. What doesn't work,
and
try to get some understanding. I even took
my old list. Mean I think 1 tweak
to it. Just
rather than trying to overthink the beta and
just eliminate the variables that I know how
it works what doesn't work. And
It was interesting.
Although every little mission has only a small
tweak, it adds up pretty quick to all
the changes.
And I found myself for the first time
struggling to score secondary.
I was kinda surprised by that.
Okay. So real quick, were you at the
tournament that was at io o? Yes.
Yeah. I wish I could've have made that,
but I couldn't get out work.
Technically, I had to work that morning, so
I raced in, got everything done.
And in race over I.
I was a little... I
the
T paired me with somebody else who was
late, so we ended up playing through lunch.
So if could get our first game in.
So... That was... Yeah. That was pretty crazy.
So, yeah, It's been a fun week you
at work.
I've now worked 8 days a row.
Yeah. Basically, I'm not gonna get a day
off until Thursday.
So
and this is Sunday night. So it's gonna
be a little rough.
Thanks. So what's
I I know we're definitely going to be
talking about a tournaments. Mh. I wanna hear
about how your gains went. Oh, you do.
Okay. And they're... So game 1 was a
little disappointing because
I think Was still flustered for being late,
and
just... I made a the same mistake I
always make, when I lose
and spoiler alert.
And that is with Luca car,
you have a lot of speed.
But ironically, you don't wanna go wide.
You don't want to
spread the board and I'm gonna cover 3
to 4 objectives at once.
You want to
pinpoint your army at 1 small spot on
this the field.
That way, you have enough firepower to eliminate
your enemy off that objective, and you deny
him primary.
And then
as the game progresses,
you can get to everywhere on the board
and he can't re or he she can't
reinforce,
which you've destroyed because it takes them too
long to get to that side of the
table.
So this a dome mistake and
But
that said, End up losing... By a pretty
big large. I think it was a hundred
just 40. Yeah. I was 60 point in
margin.
But
reading through the cards a little bit, was
interesting having the...
Many of the cards had the automatic recycle.
You know, if this is done available to
you draw another card. I was like, it's
helpful. Very helpful.
I think I drew. What's the 1 you
have to kill a unit of 25 wounds.
7.
All the horde. Something like that. A drew
every.
Never once that I have a opponent that
met the criteria and twice my opponent, jewelry
against means. Thing that can automatically recycle that.
So that was kinda cool.
Having the ability to I you know, what
I'm gonna spend a Cp
every...
I think in to my games, I spent
the Cp 3 times at least,
where at might, I don't like these cards.
I'm gonna
discard 1 at this start of the turn
rather that and see if I can get
something I can score more effectively,
which I thought was interesting so you could
cycle through the deck faster.
Which was before it once per game, and
you were like, nah. Just need it and
buy yourself a new Cp at the end
the turn,
Likewise, I saw my opponents really struggling to
score secondary, which was interesting. All my names.
The scores were
fairly low. It's for that first game were,
got Collaborative.
But... But did you see that first game.
Hey April. Can't think.
Okay. So... Yeah, we're talking...
I something that's a little bit harder free
for,
I would say Dr to
really do well against with the exception of
when you have if you've got like, enough
haywire, basically.
Even that, because all he does is go,
forgot how many havoc launcher he had his
army so he had that much indirect fire.
He just rain fire on the...
Everything that had. It was a threat to
him, which usually my scourge. So
I took a bad remember
that
no matter what he can't hit on any
better than 4 now. Right? Oh, yeah. No.
Yeah I didn't. And then I he even
had cover too and
he wiped
I think he wiped at all the scourge
by before turned 3.
Yeah. It was just like, what how was
this?
So...
But that's...
Here and there. I mean, that was 1
of those things where I'm, like, you know,
like I said, spread out too far. He
was able to pick off the pieces pretty
easy
So
that game was kind of,
not as educational as it could have been,
but 1 thing that was interesting.
Was I did take a I took a
figure mission in all 3 games.
And then this 1,
I had my,
warlord inter iterator, and I'm like, okay. I
can do this. And sure enough, he left
his,
home objective exposed.
And
turn 5. I had a chance to get
him onto to the
objective worker. I was, like, I got
I think trevor remember what happened.
Think you may have overwatch him and killed
them that way or something like that as
well, the famous Arc icon feels this
shadow field.
Save on the first thigh, you know, type
thing. But,
not complaining about Dice. It was a pretty
risky play, but I'm like, wow.
Okay. I almost got 20 primary despite that
1 they'll play.
Interesting.
Alright.
So
All, no. Was it was a fun game.
I... Yeah Like, 02:20... Made 2 many mistakes
to really get a fair sense of what
was going on in the deck.
Game 2 was against tyra, and this was
the
s
nexus detachment.
So this has the
newly upgraded tier in the fact that they
had...
He had 3
and then 2 large units of zone throws
led by the new bug that brain bug
that came with the
leviathan box that. And there's a new rule
that the he pretty much gives them
the monstrous creature, keyword.
So heat... They can shoot into combat and
shoot that. Out of comment, like, a vehicle,
like, a monster. Yeah. It's... It was like,
what? Our crap?
And
so they have all those, psychic powers and,
you know, to light you up with.
And
this game was incredibly close.
I kept denying him secondary. He kept 90
secondary.
And like I saying that with primary, Nobody
1 to venture out because it's 1 of
those first person that touched the objective dies,
And
but it came down to is, again,
I I didn't go as wide. But
still needed to go more narrow. I put
micro tests and
because he was screening me with Harm and
ga wells. And I didn't have enough firepower
on the cargo side of the table, so
I pushed
towards the middle
I had the middle objective and his cargo
as Term, eat l fire guns,
which was nice.
And, that opened up a charge lane. So
I'll see able to... Charge the
the zone throat unit with both the g
tests and the witches with Lilith,
And
apparently,
oh, no. I also charged
a wounded
train as well.
In between
a
few strata that he had, like you could
give them feel a 5 foot feel no
pain and
the, busy are our content.
And
somehow, I did not kill
all the zone trips,
jeez I think I killed half of them.
That was just, like, okay. That was odd.
And
so I'm... Why I'm kicking myself is there
well... Is 1 of those things where I'm
trying to line up the charges
and positioning wise
I kinda blocked out a unit of in
incubator. You know, it coulda gotten in there,
but that been the difference? Maybe. I don't
know. You know, probably.
So... But again, when when these happens at
the end,
I forgot what secondary Went for this time,
trying to remember.
Then you choose right away when that time...
When that turn comes up where you can,
you don't just like... Correct.
And the nice thing is you're still scoring
primary while your get this.
And
trying remember what it was. I know he
had a lot of battle line, so I
didn't go after battle line. I didn't go
after.
I think it was command insertion again.
Well, whatever it was, I can't remember what
the top of my I. I apologize.
I got it. So and that's scared at
the living daylight out of them.
Because he was, like, because he's sitting in
their life looking at this, you know, at
the scoring out. Thinking, like, oh, I got
this. I'm winning by 35 or something like
that.
And, yeah, I closed the gap. You know,
all of a sudden, Oh, I'm getting 20
points for this. What?
So End losing by about... Yeah. 15 or
so. I don't know the exact scores. Tyler
if for listening. Apologize at them.
I can't put down the recording device and
look at the score at the same time
without messing up the recording tonight. So...
But, couple key things I learned in that
1 was, yeah. Back it became a lot
harder to... You you have to... The old
adage was
with my army or my style of army
was back keep it, you know, don't loot.
You don't have to win primary. Just don't
lose primary
and then win on secondary.
You know, I just... As long as I
can get fives and tens
consistently
and make sure my opponent doesn't get a
big turn.
I should be able to win the game
on secondary. I don't think you can do
that by Dow and pry nexus. Because the...
Not only are they primary with the... Not
the second are harder to do. They're just
worth fewer points
on a as a whole,
and there aren't also those big ones.
Like,
was it... What's the 1 where you have
to capture the home objective?
Capture... Is it capture
because there's defense strongholds and there's the opposite
where you have to go after your opponent.
Capture enemy outpost. Outpost. That was worth points.
And be honest for Jak giuseppe that is,
like, a given. I mean,
booth transport,
deploy fin strategy them so they can charge
out of the transport after movement in, and
then use,
rate like retreat and this with witches and
didn't jump on the objective. Oh, I've got
eat witches. That's 60 no c
Yeah. It's director's mind. Thank you.
So it was interesting going back and forth,
but yeah, he kinda set up this wall
in this kinda stayed and weekly play the...
Whatever the checker board
deployment is. I forgot what it's called.
You know, the tail... Old cleanse. I forget
forgot they got it something else.
Because
And thought he was able to wall himself
up pretty good with the
strings of rib lee's, and then the big
guys is firing away. And
He gotta extend battle line, I think with
the this... The error... With the spore mines
now. You know, they still count for positioning.
Objectives, but
there was a lot of stuff. But it
was interesting things that were always a given
in the
Leviathan days were actually hard to achieve. I
was like,
this is weird.
Which then leads to be to by third
game.
Good old Don, former coast on the t
show here with Death. And of course, Don
playing a don list. So
very off beta.
He has no battle line in the unit
in the army,
and mostly
tanks.
Yeah. Don says, 0GW
wants me to play this way. That's how
I'm not gonna plug. Play. Direct.
And
those of... We were playing...
Come on air. Wait. It's the name of
that mission.
It's the 1 where the turn
or 1 of the objective disappears in turn
5, the second objective disappears.
00I
tried to disturb my tongue. Yeah. I can't
think of it either.
But the key thing with this mission which
turned the game around was
emissions are worth more as you go later
out.
Like, turns 2 and 3, each primary holds
only worth, like, 4 points then 8 points
and 15.
And the long story short was,
again, lots of indirect fire.
Also,
Dawn put on a clinic on how to
use rapid ingress. I learned a lot from
that game. I was like,
that is very interesting. How to use them.
So he does not care. He has you'll
put units in your face, and
just I think because their death guard, you
have to the resort stuff to deal with
them. So that was problem 1,
a problem 2,
The mission rule with this 1 is the
1 where you can put up the 500
points in reserve above and beyond what's in
reserve, then the limit.
So Don put his
chaos night in reserve.
Real quick. Supply drop. Supply drop. Thank you.
I can't remember which kinda cast sign. It's
the 1 with the...
It's got a gall gun. It's got flame.
It's got
it's the usual 1 the gets brought with
Yeah. As as an ally. It's...
I think it's called it a spoiler now.
I think basically just
request to starting people run
a lot of times to double ga link.
Sometimes the... They'll use to double
grab try battle Cannon now, but that's still
kind of a ra.
Yeah. So was that 1. So that thing
was in reserve.
And he you've rapid rest that,
in into my deployment zone as I was
venturing forward. I was like, crap.
Know those things can be deadly.
Yeah. Well, yeah. They pick up marines. Like,
no nobody's business and... Yeah. I wasn't...
And
So that was a key moment in the
game. It's learning how rapid... Someone was really
good at rapid ingress and really make it
hurt. So I took a couple of notes
from that.
Specifically to Ne nexus, though, I mean, like
I said, putting 500 points and reserve like
that was
interesting.
I never thought. Okay. What am I putting
in there? And I just looked at my
deployment? And I was like,
this unit is kind of out in the...
In the open? I think I'll just throw
it in there. Not really having a plan
where it's going to
reenter play, and I think that was the
big difference.
As the game progressed, I was able to
keep him
off objectives because I had
swift units with Higher Oc c.
And as he pushed forward, he was...
Like, his... He said, his firepower
stays back. You know, he really doesn't have
anything to push forward. He kinda has to
rumble whose tanks onto
the objectives and sometimes they don't always get
there.
His spawn were kind of a nuisance as
what the biggest nuisance was his flipping. He
dropped in bunch of terminator in my back
lines.
So that forced by to have to go
backwards. Was supposed to and micro tests or
backwards supposed to moving forward.
But specifically the nexus, 1 of the things
was annoying was turn 3 and turn 4.
As I'm drawing cars, were they hard to
do
individually? No. And, you know, oh, it's this
1. It's it's the new deploy homer. It's
the new, you, all pretty simple, be
there's the problem.
When you buy... Get them in pairs,
Between 3 and 4, if you look at
my second, I had to complete, like,
12 actions. The backs out points.
I mean, it was just whoa, how I...
You know, it was 1 of those if
I do all these actions
I'm
just... And that's exactly how I... That's actually
how I lost the game.
I took a chance, and I had my
big blob of C wars with court the
Arc on and the Arc on
and a spot. I was like, they have
to do the action. I gotta get points.
This game's is too close.
And Don just picked them up. Even with
all the defensive buffs I've got on that
arm that unit, and Was like, okay. That
was mistake.
So consequently losing no into a... I completed
the action, but then I... He was able
to rumble onto to that objective,
on, turn 5.
And he scores a big 15, which was
enough because even with, my secret mission because
of kilo
of kill all the battle units. Oh, look,
they're never wearing any battle units. I get
a free 20 points.
I still end up losing my 10.
I think it was that.
Donny off the correct me if it was
by 10 or not, but it was close.
So...
But that let yeah. I just kept him
the kept him off a primary on turned
5, could've have won the game. I just
like, no.
But even that was a very low game.
I kept checking score. I was like, did
I score this right? You know, I guys
having have some trouble with my app.
On 1 phone, it updated the app to
provide indexes x's. The other 1 only updated
the
narrative brian nexus it didn't update the
competitive. If I look get the missions And
like, what hell is this?
Yeah. I about that myself or I don't
like partial downloaded at first and
write it up having, like,
redo download it and, like, uninstall, redo download
it and restart my phone and it's like,
oh, hey. Look. Now. Everything's right. Now everything's
right.
So... Yeah. So I... By no means am
Any expert on this, could I played better.
Yeah. There's a lot of things I need
to work on.
The everyone away asked. What are you gonna
change in your list. I'm not gonna change
anything. I need to learn how to play
the missions.
And
and maybe learn the the game before I
can formally look at this needs to change
in my list.
But
Yeah.
The number of that, you definitely have... I
found myself as well as my opponents,
sacrificing,
some hammer units,
or what used to be kind of that
middle ground units
to do actions to get points.
Times, I was like,
charge that unit or
do the action.
Alright. Maybe the venom will do the action
and these guys will the, you know, doesn't
bark and kill something.
Oh, okay. Will that work. And then,
all the other big... That was the other
big change. Oh, I got totally
that was a big hurt in my game
against Don because
you know, Don and I I
there was a time where Don and I
played twice a week.
So, hey. It's good to see you him
I haven't seen you while. I took it,
you know, wasn't as a point. As That
should've have been.
In Leviathan,
it was always like, I need to be
where. No problem.
Advanced.
Every gun in the T book has thought.
So it just advance
almost a return.
Well, in Par,
you cannot advance and complete an action.
Yeah. That that was like a,
like, an old cartoons. When you hear the
screeching tires of a of a car stop.
A lot of people who had all this,
you know, assault
prepared. All, sudden like,
Well, now it's not really what I'm gonna
do with it. Right. So turn 2 in
that game,
because I was little nonchalant salon whereas the
in my second game with the 3 player,
I was pretty meticulous in pre measuring
So I knew where I was gonna be
for turn opening movements.
I just kinda like, I was close because
we were playing the same terrain layout on
every table and every round.
That's close enough. Wasn't close enough. I was
exactly 2 inches away from everything.
Oh, no.
2, yeah. I was 10 inches away and
Only had 8 inches of movement. I was
like, oh, no.
Oh, no. This should be a simple... This
could easily... It was like, that was like
a 6 point turn. I just pissed away.
I was like, oh, that was bad.
So
So, yeah, that was a interesting twist there.
I was like, that's that's not look.
So
any other prior... Oh, the
I made the Arc icon that runs around
with the in q by my Warlord, and
that was so much fun that he's...
Okay. We're gonna over 1 you. That's gonna
be 2 Cp now. What,
I'm gonna heroic intervene. You got 2 cp...
It's only with Cp now. It's gonna be
2, because I'm you're in my r of,
s.
Oh, that's right. Oh, I can't interrupt. Okay.
So it was a lot... That part was
really cool.
It didn't last long. You usually died pretty
quick. But
he made those that his impact on the
game pretty quick. So sound nice.
Cool. Well, I'm glad you got some games
in. Yeah. Me too. Now I definitely learned
a lot from those games and kinda really
hun down and being, like, you gotta play
the win. And
then
train wise
with layout number 1,
there's the big
in each corner. So if you're looking at
the diagram,
the bottom
left corner and the top right corner, you
of 2 of the 12 by 6 ruins
that only touch up the corners,
and
they have the outlines of where the walls
should be.
And I did got confirmation through the Ti
page. They are... Those are meant to be,
you should be able to walk between
those 2 ruins
with a vehicle supply assuming that the base
fits between the walls.
The it... That's still incredibly restrictive. To a
lot of models in the game. Oh, yeah.
So that was a that came up in
every game. I play.
Wasn't a problem for me, but my everyone
on my opponents it's Scott.
Stalker. Somehow.
Well, here's a question. If,
if they upped the Dr base size like
they did with D,
would it be a problem then?
No.
The
kinda, I'm assuming I'm gonna jump up to
28 because I think that's or 28 and
half, whatever it is. Because that's what the
what they call guardians and the in the
pirates, or, of course theirs are on those
as well.
As a matter of fact, I actually was
going through my pile of shame,
and I found 2 un built boxes of
cab wires.
And I'm assuming those are not going to
change that those will
still didn't exactly are no recast of those.
So I'm going to build those and purposely
not base them until after the codex comes
out.
Now the witch is
that could be a difference because I have
a feeling there's a chance. We may get
new which models because
several of those models still use the old
sla base.
Mh which
G is trying to get away from.
So
the are those screws
I'd have to look at them,
they came up before I started park podcast.
So we're saying fourth edition. Fifth edition is
that when the redesign was?
I don't know.
I know they're lot... I know their 1
of their older codecs was fifth edition.
I'd be warned, but that those things was
around 50 edition. Yeah. That's what it was
Was the fifth edition
redo when just good ones was like, what
the hell did you clowns do and just
redesign the whole line.
So...
And then the reverse and all the vehicles
are on
circular basis, you know, flying basis.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah. The pivot rules. How hilarious that
was pretty fun to watch.
Yeah. Someone who's played nights all addition. I
saw the pivot role. I'm like, yay.
Well, that... The still be all Ko man
walls that was pretty cool. Yeah.
That went through my head the moment I
read that.
Yeah. I... I sent to the a gif
of that to, like, a half a dozen
peep.
And That came up a lot in our
first game. He just he, 2 big nights
and the rest were board dogs. I yeah.
Can't I can't remember what was what, but
I was
frustrating because I it's, like, yeah, like, 5
nights over were less than 4 wounds each
but I just couldn't kill them like this
fast
And they don't even have the feeling no
pain.
Yeah. But again knows was because Didn't go
over and wide. You don't matter than focusing,
you know, 1 or 2 down and had
4 or 5 that were hurt. Well, guess
what. Who cares.
Yeah. Well, it's also chaos. Nights think it's...
Yeah anywhere from there depending on which ones
the large knights were
you had anywhere from 6 to 8 war
dogs on top of those 2 big ones
you gotta with.
That's right. Oh, that's 1 more thing I
forgot about both in game 1 in game
2. So game 1,
the
Cast nights have an ability where if they
battle shock something, they inflict more wounds.
Something to that effect.
It's part of their dread.
Yeah. They're... What other their dread thing? Oh,
that was brutal. That was just wow.
It's picking up all my 1 win models.
I was like, oh, that was ugly.
And then,
1 the other key deciding points in my
game too what the tier is was the...
Because they upgraded the
affects the synapse, I believe it is that
causes a whole bunch of more minus 1.
So getting... Turn 3, he pops the
board wide, everything takes a battle shock.
And sure enough, I was holding 3 objectives.
And 2 the units holding objectives failed their
battle shot.
Oh. Yeah. And, of course, the asked me
why into Cp. I was like, I got
leadership sex. It should've have been that harsh.
Yeah. It's
you know, I have to laugh the the
change they they've done for
leadership. It seem... Sometimes it seems like
it's impossible to fail. And other times, it's
like,
Oh, come on. I had, you know, a
huge chance of
not failing and I did.
I think it's getting what I like about
the newer system is this seems to be...
Yeah. It's... I shouldn't fail this. But then,
like, but I'm gonna fail it if I
roll enough dice.
And that's what's happening is. And you probably
will pass it. But now you gotta test
like, 3 4 times.
But yeah, lots of learning experiences, certain
Oh, by the way, Mark for death is
the stupid of
mission, secondary that thing is terrible. And that's
is trash. I hate that damn there.
Your opponent picks 3 units if you kill
any of them, you get,
like, 5 points. I think might be 4.
So they purposely, like, oh, where are you?
Okay. We're gonna make the hardest the 3
hardest units to to be killed. I'm, like,
okay.
Forget it. That's that's harder the first time
that's happening a point to target of prior...
You know, the priority target
or target of.
Yeah. Same like it's terrible. Oh that one's
terrible.
I don't...
I you, I get that a lot of,
like, the game is simulated work fair.
But
I don't always understand why they do, like,
Here's a secondary that your opponent gets to
make the decision on.
Do I think that it should, you know,
you should
be able to make it really easy by
having you picked the closest unit.
No.
But at the same time, like, the moment
you give
the moment you give your opponent the ability
to
really decide how hard a secondary is gonna
be
Kinda feel like that's on a secondary that
should be played? Nick. I agree you. Whenever
you're opponent gets to agency, it's just like,
okay. What's the point?
So
unless you totally box of, like, it's turned
forward, you're about the table only. Well, you
got 4 units on the table, which 3
you're by extra points worth. Yeah. But but
then it's not even like a strategy. It's
it's this win win more. It's kinda stupid
at that point.
Mh.
So
kinda to be it's like, it was,
it didn't really. It was not a fun
experience.
Yeah.
But were gave me a arrested game was
fine though. Because the interesting, yeah, adding
game 2, we had the,
you could do an action with your battle
line units and they could still shoot and
fight. That was interesting.
And I was trying to take advantage of
with my witches because with pistols they could
shoot
salt and still do action. I was like,
that would be pretty cool.
But it just... The opportunity deborah came up.
Yeah.
But that might be a list change I
make. I may let
tempted to put in a
second unit of which is and throw the
su in there. So
so with a pain token, I can make
them fight first. So
Okay.
I wanna get some more reps in before
I do that.
Yeah. That's fair.
You wanna make sure you don't accidentally take
out something that's actually really working for you?
Well, would just still suffer from the same
problem is getting out of the transport
nuke something in close comment.
Great.
Oh, yeah. Forcing my opponent. You know, you
wanna put fall back for me. You're gonna
do a desperate breakout.
Zone ropes were, like, hell no. I'm not
doing that.
That's awesome. But as soon as they're
Not in combat and they're out in the
open. Great to get picked off. It's so
bad.
Well, let's not sure you you are playing
d gl b
os k information. Absolutely.
So
So that's why I always go I always
take a second chance and go. Do I
wanna replace the witches with
Carl quinn because at least to get a
4 up full all a time, but it's
like,
difference between 70 points for 5 versus 90
points for 10. I'm like, oh. Yeah.
So
anyway,
all very good learning experiences,
let's see how some some players a little
more skill and
experience did over the weekend.
Where do you wanna start?
Let's
let's go,
I was not a pawn there with the
Be Gt.
Oh, who's shocked at who's in the attendance
because this is, like,
the the
Etc or the, european being... Or is the
W... Whatever it is. W is coming up.
And,
usually these players hun down so they don't
tip their hand at what they're playing. But
there's still so some big names at this
tournament.
Yeah.
So this is the glass hammer. 1. Correct?
Correct. Yeah. Glass hammer Gt, Birmingham.
Alright. You want me just cover over the
top cuts since there's a bit of a
separation there? Yeah. Let's do that.
Okay. So we're starting with
fourth place here, which is Darren Chapman.
He played Drew.
Mh.
And he won event in the last 2
weeks the camera which ones are there, but
he's been... He's been on fire of, like...
Isn't that the 1 from the real space
raiders podcast?
Someone else? That's George and Polly.
And,
Dom Mad is deceased he's still in the
podcast, but he's stopped playing Tu car at
the moment.
Okay. Alright. Anyway, third place,
Daniel Whitaker,
playing world leaders.
I kinda saw that in laugh considering we
know someone with
It's spelled differently, but same and last name,
same faction.
He did well. Yeah I think he also
came in third. He second or third at
this else that too.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
Anyway, oh,
Second place,
David
Lan,
playing Nec.
There's a... That's a faction I'm kinda
curious to kinda keep an eye on because,
mh. They did finally start getting a little
of the nerves, but at the same time,
it's like,
there were some nurse.
I wasn't expecting.
And the way that, you know,
I'm I knew the race point increase was
coming, but, like, someone's updated.
Anyway,
first place, Josh Roberts, playing gas space marines.
Alright. Interesting. How, So he was mister Ne.
He was the guy that developed the ko
grief
menace that we all know and love. And
suddenly, he's pivoting to chaos based brains.
Yeah. I do think it it is important
to note that this tournament did
play using the differential point system.
It's good point.
For those of you don't know. You get
more points by the larger
margin of victory in your battle points, which
I think is
I would use it as a tie breaker.
I wouldn't use it as a full system.
So...
Yeah. Now I do believe a lot of
times this come the differential
is used for
team tournaments.
Mh.
So I think that had something to do
with it.
That would agree.
Anyway, so that's
that's the glass name or Gt. Mh.
Now I get a little closer to home.
Let's do it.
What do we got?
I don't know actually sure I remember where
that 1 is.
You know, you look at some of them
and you're like, wait, which state was that
in in the United States? Because it's 50
of them.
How's about we start with Texas?
Oh, yeah. Things are bigger in Texas. We'll
talk about that.
Alright. So
Organs Con. Now War Con did not use
for the pry nexus.
They did use
Leviathan.
So I'm just gonna point that out right
now? Because you may be, like, well, why
why did these come out like this when
everybody else seems to be, like,
just a little bit different. Well, that's probably
got something to do with it. I'm gonna
do it.
Anyway, just...
Like, this is a... It's also interesting to
note that, yeah, back in
fifth edition,
War games Con used to be 1 of
the big 4. Like, if you were looking
for
to win all the super majors
on the circuit. It was B,
war games Gone,
Nova
and
D.
Those are the big 4. So it's interesting
how all these other bigger events have now
kind of eclipse and they also backed that
it wasn't or Gone. It was Bowl gone
because was... It's the guys who run
blah souls used to run this tournament.
So it's been around forever, but it's interesting.
It's changed name a few times. And
yeah. It's kinda... It's it's still a solid
tournament It's just funny how other ones Just
kind of sprung up and took its place.
So...
Yep.
Alright. So let's look at the top of
5 here.
We've got
it's Nathaniel Bj,
playing t.
Matthew
T playing tau,
Colin Mc
took his
works in the third. Mh.
Justin Moore,
also playing tau in second.
And first was Matthew Ali lee,
with his black temp.
Interesting. Yeah. I don't know if we'll see
that again in Par.
Remains to be seen. We'll find out.
But, yeah.
I will say that that locally 1 of
our tile players is how on a hell
of a hot. So,
she's won 7 of her last 8 games
now. So
kidding.
And playing with through retaliation Cad. So all
suits. So I'm like, oh.
Like
that little while I played tile. That's what
I did as I played suits.
Yeah that cool.
Let's see.
I wanna save a particular the the 1
in
Reno for last. Okay. It's go let's strip
on that silicone valley 1 I pointed up
to you. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. So
So was a nice little event at how
many again,
had 34 people show up. Not bad at
all.
Fifth place we had,
that eye is thrown me off.
Romaine perhaps or Roman just spelled oddly,
C,
obviously, French
with his adept
In fifth.
Yes. Was? Fairly respectable score for each game.
Fourth place, Eric So with his thousand sons.
Third was
mad
bad.
Cute fan.
I apologize. I definitely butcher that name, Playing
Adept Sag test.
I dreaded sister's time.
Aaron
Thunder bark
took Nec a second.
And in first place,
quite interestingly,
reuben za playing Great knights.
Right now just still pretty powerful. I think
the thing I'm noticing
they were actually on top table for the
wind of the determine I was at, and
they were gonna against blood angels, and the
biggest thing is they just don't have
blocking units. They don't have that shaft unit.
They can use to block the other unit
other army from the rolling over them every
It's an elite army. Every unit is critical.
And every time you lose that piece, so
you're losing up big chunk of your army.
Yeah.
So it's cool that he was be able
to pull that off. It's... I'd be curious
he has the typical
3 nemesis dread nights in a in a
in a,
in imperial night as a ally.
I wish you would've have said someone before
I closed the window. That's okay. I wanna
let you know. That'll be dope.
More to come. Yeah. Alright. The last event,
which
was probably the 1 the most interest for
me because
Rob went, which is why he's got here
today.
I'm sure it'll give us a full review
next week. Just safe travels on the way
home. Yep.
Alright.
Again,
We had for prior nexus missions. So at
least in some instances,
you know, people weren't exactly
as experienced they were with Leviathan.
So the top 5 looks like this.
Fifth place Sam H,
playing at Doctor So.
Fourth was Matthew
Ko,
playing ash.
And third, Jason Mckenzie playing a adept mechanic.
You heard that right. Yeah. He's gonna fire
with that list for a while. He was
at
Sprinkle of last fall, and he finished the
top. 5 of that army. So he's he's
figured something out that no 1 else to
scene.
Yeah. I I'm sure anybody who's been fighting
with
by Ad mac
is
probably sitting pretty if
they already knew what they were doing and
now they've gotten bus.
Yeah.
So second place.
Y or Joe bow, playing tau.
Towel creep it up again. Mh.
And in first place, playing a faction, I
never expected him to play,
especially if you happen to be friends of
on Facebook get would... You really wouldn't have
guessed.
At Ben Jerk
was blood angels.
Yeah. Again, A big surprise. I don't I
hope he's not tipping his hands for
his WTW
fashion.
This is, I don't know what the heck
that was. But
but, yeah, Hey.
Congratulations. Big win for Ben. Always happy to
see it when.
So... But, yeah, blood angels. What the hell?
Don't know where that came from.
Yeah.
I honestly didn't even know he had space
brains. Yeah. I knew he had El r.
I knew he had works.
I think that's all I knew he had.
Crazy.
Yeah. So if you're curious are c host
Rob, you can find him down on what
ended up being...
Thirteenth place.
You know, he started off good, and then
and then he found Ben.
And then the rest of the day 1
kind of was rough on them.
But day day 2 turned out really well
for. Yeah.
So
And this spoke post them with scores of,
in uses.
Crank it and primary. I was was, like
forties and fifties I was like, wow. Look
at that. And so...
Yeah. I I can't wait... III know I
won't be able to join you guys because
of when I work, but... I'll definitely be
listening once the have a episode post to,
yeah, get the run rundown on it.
Yeah. Cool stuff.
Alright. So there we go. Is our events
for this week.
Normally, we do the mid table
security, but honestly, it's a little too early
in the meta this the things really changed
too much. But, array, we were kinda talking
before the show and kinda technical
quick look at the events where we could
find that out.
What missions are playing played the most,
among prying nexus.
Yeah. We... With what missions we could find
that were played.
None were shared.
Yeah.
11 games, 11 different missions across 2 tournaments.
So was just like,
everybody's trying out everything. So I think we're
the early stages still. So we'll figure out
as games progress, which which missions and which,
combinations with secondary with that second, but
whatever the
fog of war versus
battle if these bonuses, which ones gonna stick
out.
You just call it mission combos?
Yeah. Mission combos is what I'm trying to
say. But
pretty exciting stuff there. Yep. So
alright. I think we covered all our
pieces for tonight. Anything else you wanna add
right?
No. I don't think so.
Okay.
So, yeah, I look forward to seeing what
else. The week brings.
Maybe hoping for some sma of a preview
of something for 40 k, but without holding
my breath.
At this point, but I guess, Sig martin
their time in the sun as well. But
Although, I was looking... Had admit at conversion
fever earlier this week.
I was looking at some of the Silva
nest models, and they have their do
spear box, which is their new start collecting
type thing. Yeah. Which apparently is the best
part of a new release apparently. Their their
version is just, like, way better than combat
patrol. So like,
okay.
But anyway, I was looking at that. I
was going like, maybe I could do an
expedite army.
Those balls could do this. This could be
that.
Slippery slope there.
Very slippery slope.
That's problem. You put all that time and
energy into it and you get some
angry T goes. No. Those conversions are done
allowed.
Even if they do match in 99 percent
of the.
Models you were planning that you can't get
it older or wanting to have looked different
anyway.
Correct.
So
Anyway, I was thinking it through it. They
could be kinda cool.
Yeah.
Alright. That's all I got for this week.
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