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they sign a family. I I see my

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being assess for your rights that happens now.

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And when you start giving away little chips

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for, like,

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what do the others do? That's a small

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Alright. Today, we're joined by German Stark, christian

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tech store, better known as Tech or Big

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Chris from V Tv.

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We dive into Texas incredible journey from discovering

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dirt jump in through racing down in World

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cup to his current home at the White

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t mob competing at the very highest level

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of world in j. Sexy shares how he

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manages to successfully combine having 4 children with

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elite level racing

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offering some great insights on becoming the best

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version of yourself. It's clear that Sexy really

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thinks about things and he's found an amazing

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So without further ado, Here's Christian Text textile.

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Christian Text textile. Welcome to the downtime podcast.

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My house things. Yeah. Well, thanks for having

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me in the first time. Like, it's

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we had a little chat at the mill.

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couple of, like, 1 and a half years

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ago. Yeah. Just as the mob was kinda

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get going in its latest 4. Exactly. So

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I've been following the podcast for a long

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time though, and man. I feel like it's

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1 of the

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biggest mountain bike podcast for sure. Like, there

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are a lot of characters on there that,

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I really look up to and

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I just feel like it's interesting to hear

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people chatting. Yeah. Different,

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form of getting to know characters. So I'm

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excited to be here. I feel really fortunate.

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Like it's it's a big thing for me

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To really Okay. Yeah? Thank, dude. It's a

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big thing for me to. Yeah. So, no.

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It's a pleasure. I appreciate. Glad that you

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made the time. Yeah. Let's start the start

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because, you know, we did that little thing

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at the at the White email, but we

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didn't find out a huge amount about you

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then. So, yeah, Take us right back. Tell

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us a little bit about, like, where you

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grew up and how bikes came into your

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life because I think it was a bit

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of inspiration from a bigger brother. Right? Yeah.

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Like, that's long story obviously because

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It's quite a few years ago.

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I think bikes were always

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sort of my favorite toy. And like, as

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a kid growing up, played soccer, plate.

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I don't know all sort of things that

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you do in school or whatever.

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But the bike always been the 1. Like,

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you kind of always come back to your

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first love

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in that way. But, Yeah.

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Yeah. As you said, my bigger brother. He's

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8 years older. I've got 4 siblings. Okay.

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So so from my big family. 6 family.

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Yeah.

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3 sisters, 1 brother. I'm the youngest or.

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And my brother always been, like, obviously, my

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role model, like, looking up to what he

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does and as a smaller brother, you gotta

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step up and and do it. So

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I I guess progression was natural for me

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because you were a bit

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disabled in terms of, like,

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physicality and all that stuff and

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like, comparing to what he does. So

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he started doing, like, trial stuff. I think

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it was maybe

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I don't know, like, late nineties. Mh. Where,

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like, I don't know if it was still

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hands ray or, like, these guys. Yeah. My

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in Ashton my like. Yeah. Kind of Feel

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like that inspired him a lot. Yeah like,

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not like super gravity side of things, but

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like more trials.

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So, yeah. I tried that right my best

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and I always just did what he did,

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so there was

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progression there, but

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yeah, talking of where I'm from

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pretty much middle of Germany, Like, pretty close

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to Frankfurt.

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Hill. Yeah.

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Hill, but not mountainous. I guess. Exactly. No

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mountains.

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No bike parks, no lift either. Like, okay.

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Yeah. Just growing up riding bikes in in

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the woods and

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going from there. Nice. And that trials

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introduction, I guess 3 your brother sort of

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moved into more, like dirt jump free ride

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kind of stuff for you. Right? Was that

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was that with your brother as well? Did

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he get that direction?

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Yeah. I think like, he kind of bought

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his first full suspension bike

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remember Had been... I think a can Gemini

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A gemini

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Gemini.

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It had the man 2 Sherman on, like

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that was a bike. Like, yeah

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you would just look at it for hours

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and you're like, wow, that's so sick. And

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then obviously, being inspired by, like, cranked newer

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disorder and stuff like that. He would build

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drops Yeah. Into shoots and stuff. So it

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kinda went free right there. Yeah. And I

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just try to follow along on a hard

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tail

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how holding on for deal life, but

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it quickly real quickly developed into they're jumping

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for me because

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that was the time where you would wait

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for new disorder to come out Christmas time.

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Yeah. And that's your only visual

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inspiration of the sport back then. And other

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than that, you just buy magazines,

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and you would look in the magazines and

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you'd see, like, people like John Cohen,

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T of P. I don't know I like

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the dirt some stars from back then, and

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you just see like, oh, they do, like,

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no hand is over jump that's like,

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It's not just the takeoff off. It has

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a landing. It's a double. Yeah. Yeah. So

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you're, like, trying to build this thing look

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similar somewhere in the gravel pit, and then

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you tried to take your hands off the

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bars and, like, get a feel for it

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and that's basically

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how I started Yeah riding and we developed

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a little

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I'd say dirt jump scene Mh. At home

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locally.

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I was kind of the first guys to

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do that in my village at least.

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And

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yeah, then we had some people who did

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it a bit more proper, U. In the

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area. And as you do that stuff, you

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get to know these people and you you

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see, like, oh there's. Someone next village. It

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does the same stuff. And

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yeah. That developed a little bit, and then

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we actually got a little dirt park,

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build it ourself sweet.

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How old were you point then? Like, well

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we're like 15. Okay. Walked up to the

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major of our village yet. Showed him this,

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like, powerpoint

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arranged with pictures of Virgin parks. And we're

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like, we need this in our village and

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like, 3 boys and big props to the

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major because he was, like, okay. We have

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this piece of land. Yeah. There you go.

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And I was like, yeah, my dad has

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digger, and I can operate them, like, it's

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not gonna cost us anything. Amazing. Yeah. And

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we actually made it happen and had a

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little spots and

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that was kind of foundation for writing for

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us because there was nothing. Like... Yeah. There

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no trails, no like, not even a flow

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trail or something, no dirt jumps. It's just

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like whatever we imagined and did. That's the

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writing we had. That's cool. Have you've seen

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that scene at home like, develop over the

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years then that you, I guess you and

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your brother sort of kick kickstarter a bit.

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Yeah. So my brother moved out

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by the time that we got more intense

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to do it jumping, and I he had

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other things in life that took over, but

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he's still writing now. His kids are taken

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over now that, like, they sending vic. So

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that's cool to see it's passing on. Yeah.

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But at home,

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I think the Deutsche kind of thing was

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pretty strong for.

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I'd say 5 to 10 years. There's still

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a lot lot of guys doing that stuff,

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not in our home village, like that spot

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gone. Okay. Becoming a sick concrete skate park

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at the moment, which is also cool. Yeah.

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But it kinda developed into End to be

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honest. Okay. Like now, my village or our

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village is,

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big the spot. Yeah. In the region. So

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that's pretty cool to see and

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most guys kinda switched to racing over the

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years or did something else, but... Yeah. It's

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funny how everyone's coming back to riding now.

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But they pick under bikes,

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or bikes? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you're,

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I guess, still involved in the scene and

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building trails out there. Yeah.

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Couldn't say that officially, but okay. I heard

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up. Yeah. Yeah. We we still don't have,

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like, a official member or official trail or

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anything like that, but

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Like I can say, we

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have good, like, connections, and we try just

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to speak with people like, with, yeah. Don't

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try to fight each other in the words,

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but You try to speak to the Hunter

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you run into... Yeah. And sometimes you get

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lucky. Yeah. Yeah. And you develop a good

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relationship, and you actually get along with everything

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in the words.

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And sometimes you like, okay. We stay away

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from the hill. Yeah.

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There's a, like a a saying in the

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Uk that I think that the ride chef

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lot died, was which just be nice, say

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hi. So, like when you're out. If you

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meet people,

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just make the time to stop, have a

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chat. Don't fly past them or Yeah. Like,

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cut across fire roads at 20 mile an

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hour in front of them sort of thing.

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And Yeah. Yeah. It does make a massive

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difference, Hey, like, even if you're on land

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that

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maybe isn't a hundred percent

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loud. Like as long as you're courteous and

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Yeah. Polite. Yeah. I think it's... I mean,

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it's obvious we know that we don't have

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the right to do what we do in

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the word Yeah. In terms of law.

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But then

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if you look at it from just the,

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human kind of view. Yeah. You're like, well,

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everyone's trying to, like,

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have a good time on the words and

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we're not destroying stuff. Like, that's bullshit. But

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Yeah. From

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running away from people in the woods back

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in the days when you're like, where

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where seen with a shovel in the words

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or something, and you just, like duck and

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hide and run or something like done it.

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We we got to, like,

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just like, walk up to the person straight

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away and talk to them and trying to

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have a good conversation. Yeah. And, yeah.

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That's been working really good. Let's get to

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him, man. So Dirt jump in doing that

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side of things.

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Was there ever... Was there competition involved and

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Dirt jump for you Or was it purely

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just enjoying being on a bike? Yeah. Little

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little

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competition side of things, but not massive like,

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Okay. Did some amateur

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D competition, and that's not even comparable to

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the level

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the guys do these days, like,

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I don't know. I did, like, some spins

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like,

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3 sixties and back flips and stuff, But

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no, like, big combos or stuff That's nowadays

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average and even amateur competition. So levels crazy.

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It's crazy. Yeah. Okay. So did talk about

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rate, like, racing then. And I think it

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was a friend that took you to your

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first ever, like, downhill race. Right? Yeah. So

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when I started my apprenticeship,

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obviously, I earned some money. So it was

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time for the first full suspension bike. And

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back in the days I bought a ken

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day. Okay. Profit.

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I had a profit. Yeah. Yeah. Sick bike.

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Back then it was kind of a

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does it all bike? Yeah. And I

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bought it because it was a slopes sell

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bike for the Ken. Right? It's back in

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the days, which was the big crew for

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me.

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So

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it was still good enough to race, like,

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horrible setup up probably, like, super hard because

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of, like, set it up for jumping and

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stuff, but Yeah. So 1 of my mates

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who had Dirt jumped with.

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He was starting to do the Access races.

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I'm already back in the day, so he

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was like, I need to go to races

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because we obviously rode at home and. Yeah.

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He figured that I was pretty quick down

356
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the hill, so. I was like, oh, you

357
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need to do this race. Like, you need

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to come and and then at some point,

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he, like,

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actually took me along and raced my first

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It was, like, a rupees cup or something

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called. I think that's still going.

363
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So like a 09:19 or?

364
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Yeah. I was just... I just had my

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driving license so it would have been 19.

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Yeah.

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And

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so pretty late start. Yeah. Raising side of

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things, but I did that race only 1

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race, and

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I think I I ended up on the

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podium at least.

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You were second. Yeah. Could be. Yeah. Yeah.

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And I know... I remember yeah, the guy

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who beat me. Yet had like,

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clip pedals full on down bike,

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full kit. And now I was just, like

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racing in jeans on the slopes so bike

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and. I was like, Okay. Maybe there are

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points to improve, but, yeah,

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I was already hooked. Like, I really loved

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it. It was full on mother, and I

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just enjoyed myself. Cool. So it wasn't so

384
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much the result. It was the experience that

385
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kinda hooked you in or Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.

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And even in Dirt trump, I was always

387
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more of a technical writer, Like, I tried

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to do I don't know, like, 3 sixties

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on

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a sketchy jump Okay. Or like, technical jump,

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let's say. Yeah rather than trying to go

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big and

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make a crazy combo on on a straight

394
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jump. So,

395
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always love technical riding so that, like, got

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me hooked straight away.

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And, yeah. Next... Yeah. Signed up for the

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whole thing. So... Yeah. And you... There's, like,

399
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different classes here. Yeah. Is it like... What

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do they call the kinda of entry level

401
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classes? Like, hobby classes or something? Yeah It's...

402
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I think it used to be called free

403
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man. Okay. So it's like free from license?

404
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Yeah. Yeah. Again.

405
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And you won the whole lot. Yeah. Yeah.

406
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Actually, every race I I wanted it. Yeah.

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And most by a margins that was crazy.

408
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Still on the profit at this point. Did

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you upgrade? I actually upgraded to track session.

410
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Okay. Yeah. Through a local dealer, like, I

411
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got a little

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like, I don't know. Like, a half price

413
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deal or something. So I got my first

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download bike. Yeah.

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Double crown forks everything. So I did you

416
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get that deal then with 1 1 race

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result. Like, how did you talk your way

418
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into that? I think it's just, like, it's

419
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been the bike shop off I've always. Okay.

420
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Like, went to kind of, it's where my

421
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brother already bought the the old Gemini and

422
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Yeah. Stuff like that. So it's been

423
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a good,

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relationship to those guys

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and I've always been... You call it chop

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red. I guess. Yeah. Like, yeah. That was

427
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1 back at home. Yeah. The kid who

428
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breaks stuff all the time. Can you always

429
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in? And you're like, oh, yeah, You have

430
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this. Half price. Yeah. Yeah. Go. Nice. That's

431
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cool. No. But they always kind of supported

432
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me. Still till this day. It's still running

433
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the shop in

434
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actually, the junior took over now. Yeah. Who's

435
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my age, and we're good friends. And it's

436
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cool like we have such a long history.

437
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Actually ended up wrench for me

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at

439
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some of the world cups in way. He

440
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used to work for fox and all that.

441
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So... Yeah. Big shout out to

442
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the the Evening 12 watch board guys. Yeah.

443
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That's amazing.

444
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Supporting through All all the years. Very cool

445
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cool. Yeah. So that first year then, or

446
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first full year.

447
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You've taken a win every time you've gone

448
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racing. Yeah. You've gotta start feeling pretty confident

449
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about that. And then, I guess it's... You

450
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have... Do you have to upgrade then and

451
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get, like a license and go to next

452
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category and what's out. Now. You can actually

453
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stay in that class if you want, but

454
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I was

455
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I was like, okay. Go. License class because

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I won

457
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like this class now, even though I didn't

458
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win the overall because I actually broke my

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leg that that year.

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Late season

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and

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that was... But there was also

463
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a very

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important and interesting point of my career, let's

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say because

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It's funny.

467
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There used to be a thing called Scandinavian

468
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and Photo challenge. It's like Deep summer. Okay.

469
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For the crank works.

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Hosted by a photograph in Scandinavia. Mh. So,

471
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best in chic. Yeah. Yeah He got invited

472
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for that as of

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photograph had taken part of the competition.

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And they had a squad of German guys.

475
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It was like national teams almost, like the

476
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photograph I had national writers

477
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I think it was 4 riders

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per photograph, and,

479
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he had a couple of writers with him,

480
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like, pro riders. I mean, I was

481
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some kid. U. And 1 of the guys

482
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was... I think Arm, K,

483
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former slopes are right from Germany, like, really

484
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good writer, professional guy for Ken and Gt

485
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for many years.

486
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And

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he's rather local to me. And we knew

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each other from their jumping. And then,

489
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he... I think he got injured or something.

490
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And he actually said saber, well,

491
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There's this kid. He's pretty decent on a

492
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down bike, but he can also, like, do

493
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jump. So it's he's good for something like

494
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that. You can ask him.

495
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Do believe that's the setup. So

496
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Saber and Carlo. Mh. Also professional guy back

497
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then.

498
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They approached me and I was, like, what?

499
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Like this has to be a mistake, you

500
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know, felt like a dream to me. So

501
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I ended up going up there. And we

502
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did this whole competition thing, and I really...

503
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I had a good time and we did

504
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some some really cool shit.

505
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And

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ended up free riding 2 days after the

507
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event and broke my femur. Oh, man and

508
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my hip and my hand.

509
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Like, had a massive 1. Was that your

510
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first real light, big injury. Yeah. Yeah. That's

511
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a big 1 to go in That was

512
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also my first injury was a femur break.

513
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But... Yeah. That was massive. In but still

514
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the whole event was,

515
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like it got me

516
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kind of into the picture. So I wouldn't

517
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say, like, crash was worth it. Yeah. Nobody

518
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chooses an accident, but

519
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the whole thing as such was very important.

520
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Yeah me and open some doors like Yeah

521
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Exactly. Yeah. What were what did you have

522
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metal put in the Femur? Like, how was

523
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it treated?

524
00:19:02,766 --> 00:19:04,456
Yeah. I got a rot in the female.

525
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Yeah. And, luckily, the doctor who

526
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operated me up there. He was Austrian. So

527
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we could talk. Yeah. That was good. My

528
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english wasn't quite as good back, answer.

529
00:19:16,068 --> 00:19:18,500
And he said I get kinda lucky because

530
00:19:19,016 --> 00:19:21,084
in other countries, they would have replaced the

531
00:19:21,084 --> 00:19:21,879
hip possibly.

532
00:19:23,390 --> 00:19:25,537
Because they get money Per Yeah k. Joined.

533
00:19:26,173 --> 00:19:28,263
Yeah. They do and stuff like that. So

534
00:19:28,814 --> 00:19:30,888
that's actually pretty bad. But

535
00:19:31,527 --> 00:19:33,841
he was like you... That young still, and

536
00:19:33,841 --> 00:19:35,437
it's only a crack in the hip. Mh.

537
00:19:35,596 --> 00:19:38,232
So I had to beyond crutches for 2

538
00:19:38,232 --> 00:19:40,372
months. Straight or something. Yeah. So it was,

539
00:19:40,451 --> 00:19:43,012
like, if you really take care, it'll heal

540
00:19:43,304 --> 00:19:46,363
like that and it did so amazing forever

541
00:19:46,738 --> 00:19:48,250
thankful for that. Yeah. Do you still have

542
00:19:48,250 --> 00:19:50,715
the metal femur or not? Yeah. They tried

543
00:19:50,715 --> 00:19:52,307
to get it out, but no chance. Yeah.

544
00:19:52,959 --> 00:19:54,634
Mindset stood. Think. And unless they get that

545
00:19:54,634 --> 00:19:55,990
pretty quick. It can be quite hard to

546
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:58,622
get out. So... Yeah. The the guys who

547
00:19:58,622 --> 00:20:00,057
tried to take it out. They said they

548
00:20:00,057 --> 00:20:01,653
have to do that much damage to get

549
00:20:01,653 --> 00:20:03,658
it out that it what I wanna sense?

550
00:20:03,816 --> 00:20:05,405
Does it bother you ever, like you feel

551
00:20:05,405 --> 00:20:08,424
it? The metal itself? No, but I definitely

552
00:20:08,424 --> 00:20:10,092
have problems with my hip like... Okay.

553
00:20:11,539 --> 00:20:14,256
Actually, over the last 3 years, it kind

554
00:20:14,256 --> 00:20:16,893
of developed getting worse. U. It's getting better

555
00:20:16,893 --> 00:20:18,810
now that I've started to treat it. Right?

556
00:20:19,050 --> 00:20:19,130
Okay.

557
00:20:19,944 --> 00:20:21,942
And have a lot of ph. Also, the

558
00:20:21,942 --> 00:20:23,859
new ph on our team is amazing with

559
00:20:23,859 --> 00:20:25,537
that. Like, it helped me a lot this

560
00:20:25,537 --> 00:20:25,697
year.

561
00:20:26,976 --> 00:20:29,461
But there were I think it was 22

562
00:20:29,461 --> 00:20:29,938
the season.

563
00:20:30,654 --> 00:20:33,518
Are basically erased on painkillers, the whole season

564
00:20:33,518 --> 00:20:34,893
like big time because

565
00:20:35,283 --> 00:20:37,036
my leg got me so much pain.

566
00:20:37,753 --> 00:20:39,665
It's, you know how when you hit your

567
00:20:39,665 --> 00:20:40,143
funny bone.

568
00:20:40,860 --> 00:20:42,788
Yeah. And that's how your arm feels. That's

569
00:20:42,788 --> 00:20:44,463
how my whole leg feels when I was,

570
00:20:44,543 --> 00:20:44,622
like,

571
00:20:45,659 --> 00:20:47,893
I don't know, like, right hand, right foot

572
00:20:47,893 --> 00:20:50,525
off, rudy corner or something, and your your

573
00:20:50,525 --> 00:20:53,093
bike gets... Gives you a hip It's like

574
00:20:53,093 --> 00:20:55,410
from the inside, my whole leg was, like

575
00:20:55,410 --> 00:20:55,890
funny bone.

576
00:20:56,529 --> 00:20:57,988
And I would literally

577
00:20:58,526 --> 00:21:01,651
be tears. Yeah. Bad. After the stage. Even

578
00:21:01,651 --> 00:21:03,560
last year, I remember I should tell.

579
00:21:04,436 --> 00:21:07,142
Second last stage, I got a, like I

580
00:21:07,142 --> 00:21:08,990
just had a little slight out from a

581
00:21:08,990 --> 00:21:10,346
wooden bridge and I had to save the

582
00:21:10,346 --> 00:21:12,260
bike and you like do a quick response

583
00:21:12,260 --> 00:21:13,717
move. U. And

584
00:21:14,653 --> 00:21:16,966
it gave me that feeling again, like that

585
00:21:16,966 --> 00:21:17,126
hit.

586
00:21:18,016 --> 00:21:20,559
And then I rode, like, really bad in

587
00:21:20,559 --> 00:21:21,672
the bottom of the stage, And I was

588
00:21:21,672 --> 00:21:23,499
like, oh, what's happening? And then I got

589
00:21:23,499 --> 00:21:24,930
off my bike after the stage, and I

590
00:21:24,930 --> 00:21:26,853
couldn't even stand on my left leg. Gee.

591
00:21:27,092 --> 00:21:28,524
Like, I couldn't stand on a sing leg.

592
00:21:28,683 --> 00:21:31,071
Yeah. So I was like, oh, that's not

593
00:21:31,071 --> 00:21:33,141
good. That isn't good, man. What what have

594
00:21:33,141 --> 00:21:35,230
you done other than like, some good ph

595
00:21:35,230 --> 00:21:37,390
treatment. If there's certain things you've been doing

596
00:21:37,390 --> 00:21:37,950
that have helped,

597
00:21:38,669 --> 00:21:41,230
like, improve that for you like certain movement

598
00:21:41,230 --> 00:21:43,150
or strength worker or Yeah. What have you

599
00:21:43,150 --> 00:21:44,924
found that that unlocks that pain a bit.

600
00:21:45,805 --> 00:21:46,545
Well, I'm

601
00:21:46,924 --> 00:21:49,325
really, like, enjoying being in the gym. Okay.

602
00:21:49,644 --> 00:21:51,619
Recently, like, not to get big, but to

603
00:21:51,899 --> 00:21:52,377
move healthy.

604
00:21:53,096 --> 00:21:55,271
And part of that is injury because

605
00:21:55,729 --> 00:21:56,229
at...

606
00:21:56,767 --> 00:21:59,501
Like, I feel like there's benefits, you can

607
00:21:59,813 --> 00:22:02,199
take from doing the right moves and stuff

608
00:22:02,199 --> 00:22:04,824
to Yeah, like, prevent injuries in the first

609
00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:06,336
place and also, like, coming back from him.

610
00:22:07,228 --> 00:22:07,547
And,

611
00:22:08,185 --> 00:22:10,338
I'm lucky enough to have people in my

612
00:22:10,338 --> 00:22:12,252
gym like local gym that Are really, like,

613
00:22:12,571 --> 00:22:14,486
into sports and, like good trainers.

614
00:22:15,203 --> 00:22:17,293
And 1 guy did It's called,

615
00:22:18,570 --> 00:22:19,070
neuro

616
00:22:19,767 --> 00:22:22,582
training. Okay. Where you really target

617
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,608
certain muscles in your body. Yeah. With certain

618
00:22:25,608 --> 00:22:28,238
movements and, like, he would trigger stuff with,

619
00:22:28,318 --> 00:22:30,630
like, rubber bands and okay. Stuff like that.

620
00:22:32,144 --> 00:22:33,202
To regain

621
00:22:34,075 --> 00:22:37,275
muscle mind connections Basically to reprogram that path?

622
00:22:37,755 --> 00:22:40,075
Yeah. Because my left leg, like, I'd be

623
00:22:40,075 --> 00:22:42,169
super strong during a squat Yeah. But that's,

624
00:22:42,250 --> 00:22:44,009
like, in a straight line. It's your main

625
00:22:44,009 --> 00:22:44,730
muscle. Mh.

626
00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:48,089
And it's like, easy for the hat to

627
00:22:48,089 --> 00:22:50,343
do that. Yeah. But when do you do

628
00:22:50,343 --> 00:22:52,761
a clean straight squat on a mountain by

629
00:22:52,820 --> 00:22:54,419
day rain. Yeah. So,

630
00:22:55,138 --> 00:22:56,656
there are a lot of muscles around your

631
00:22:56,656 --> 00:22:58,630
hip obviously that need to be

632
00:22:59,069 --> 00:23:00,930
implemented in the movement, and

633
00:23:01,869 --> 00:23:04,269
I was actually shocked because I thought I

634
00:23:04,269 --> 00:23:06,829
was a pretty fit athlete. Yeah. But then

635
00:23:06,829 --> 00:23:08,758
we did some movement well would struggle to

636
00:23:08,758 --> 00:23:09,258
even

637
00:23:09,952 --> 00:23:12,258
make my leg move. Yeah. And it's currently

638
00:23:12,258 --> 00:23:14,406
the the easiest. You see someone doing like

639
00:23:14,406 --> 00:23:15,611
with us easy surely I can do that.

640
00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:17,434
Yeah try it. Like. And it's like no

641
00:23:17,434 --> 00:23:19,337
weight stuff. Just like, maybe a rubber band,

642
00:23:19,575 --> 00:23:21,081
and then you have to, like, twist it

643
00:23:21,081 --> 00:23:23,478
in the certain movement and like, okay. Now

644
00:23:23,478 --> 00:23:25,706
it now push your heel. I'm like, well,

645
00:23:25,944 --> 00:23:27,774
it's not happening me. It's so yeah. It

646
00:23:27,774 --> 00:23:28,172
doesn't move.

647
00:23:29,539 --> 00:23:31,140
So we did a lot of that stuff

648
00:23:31,140 --> 00:23:33,000
to regain that muscle mind

649
00:23:33,380 --> 00:23:35,779
connection. U. And it helped me massively to

650
00:23:35,779 --> 00:23:36,555
improve strength

651
00:23:36,913 --> 00:23:38,902
around my hip. Nice. So that's really good.

652
00:23:39,061 --> 00:23:41,551
And then just honestly, like, good ph

653
00:23:42,006 --> 00:23:43,121
changes, everything.

654
00:23:43,518 --> 00:23:45,447
Yeah. Yeah not cheap unless you get it

655
00:23:45,447 --> 00:23:47,601
as part of your team structure, but often

656
00:23:47,601 --> 00:23:49,596
very worth it. Yeah the right person. Exactly.

657
00:23:49,835 --> 00:23:53,355
Yeah. Cool. So... Yeah. Obviously, downhill becoming more

658
00:23:53,355 --> 00:23:54,386
and more of a thing for you.

659
00:23:55,576 --> 00:23:57,638
You work your way through Eye access, had

660
00:23:57,638 --> 00:23:59,145
some good success there in the in the

661
00:23:59,145 --> 00:23:59,938
license category.

662
00:24:00,588 --> 00:24:02,655
And eventually decided to find your way to

663
00:24:02,655 --> 00:24:03,292
a world cup.

664
00:24:04,166 --> 00:24:06,393
I think Peter Mari was your first world

665
00:24:06,393 --> 00:24:07,744
cup Was it? Yeah. To talk us a

666
00:24:07,744 --> 00:24:10,309
bit through the process of getting yourself there

667
00:24:10,309 --> 00:24:11,904
and also what it was like being there

668
00:24:11,904 --> 00:24:14,137
for that first 1. Yeah. So

669
00:24:15,573 --> 00:24:17,965
after racing license class for 1 season,

670
00:24:18,538 --> 00:24:20,921
after the free man sort of year and

671
00:24:20,921 --> 00:24:22,590
coming back from that hip injury,

672
00:24:23,305 --> 00:24:23,543
well,

673
00:24:24,179 --> 00:24:26,403
being there again. Not coming back because I

674
00:24:26,403 --> 00:24:26,903
never

675
00:24:27,214 --> 00:24:29,529
did proper rehab, but I just talked, and

676
00:24:29,529 --> 00:24:30,487
that's part of the problem.

677
00:24:31,365 --> 00:24:32,583
I only started that

678
00:24:33,041 --> 00:24:35,116
4 years ago, maybe. And how long ago

679
00:24:35,116 --> 00:24:37,365
was the accident? 10 years. That's over 10

680
00:24:37,365 --> 00:24:38,162
years old ago. Yeah.

681
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:39,358
So,

682
00:24:40,793 --> 00:24:43,344
do your rehab kids? Like, that's super boy

683
00:24:43,344 --> 00:24:43,844
from

684
00:24:44,221 --> 00:24:45,753
here it is. If I didn't even get

685
00:24:45,753 --> 00:24:47,671
any ph from the Nhs in the uk.

686
00:24:47,831 --> 00:24:49,509
You need gorgeous people sent me home with

687
00:24:49,509 --> 00:24:51,347
some crutches and light there you go. Yeah.

688
00:24:51,666 --> 00:24:53,265
I had a few sessions at the, like,

689
00:24:53,598 --> 00:24:55,821
local ph you. Yeah. It's like, yeah. You

690
00:24:55,821 --> 00:24:57,964
do some squats like that. Yeah. You good

691
00:24:57,964 --> 00:25:00,664
for life against trays. Yeah. But, yeah. Anyways,

692
00:25:01,870 --> 00:25:04,650
Peter Mad, yeah. So after racing license class

693
00:25:04,650 --> 00:25:05,150
for

694
00:25:05,603 --> 00:25:08,701
1 season, basically, I don't know my results

695
00:25:08,701 --> 00:25:10,846
from back then, but that was still, like,

696
00:25:11,658 --> 00:25:12,796
we would go out

697
00:25:13,413 --> 00:25:13,913
drinking

698
00:25:14,290 --> 00:25:16,284
with the boys or like, just having a

699
00:25:16,284 --> 00:25:16,922
good time. Yeah.

700
00:25:18,437 --> 00:25:19,235
Before the race days.

701
00:25:19,953 --> 00:25:22,118
And, like, I didn't I didn't knew anything

702
00:25:22,118 --> 00:25:24,028
about being in an athlete back then, but

703
00:25:24,028 --> 00:25:25,221
we're still... We just had a good time,

704
00:25:25,380 --> 00:25:27,130
and I think it's it's a good, like,

705
00:25:27,289 --> 00:25:28,028
part of

706
00:25:28,416 --> 00:25:30,239
writing careers or whatever. You're supposed to be

707
00:25:30,239 --> 00:25:31,428
fine. Right? Yeah. Exactly.

708
00:25:32,062 --> 00:25:34,123
And but I figured that season, like, oh,

709
00:25:34,281 --> 00:25:34,915
maybe it's good.

710
00:25:35,804 --> 00:25:38,201
On Sunday, not to worry about if you're

711
00:25:38,201 --> 00:25:40,917
gonna throw up in your helmet amid race

712
00:25:40,917 --> 00:25:41,156
run.

713
00:25:41,796 --> 00:25:42,296
And

714
00:25:43,329 --> 00:25:45,566
you try to prevent a couple of those

715
00:25:45,566 --> 00:25:46,206
things. Yeah.

716
00:25:46,925 --> 00:25:48,624
Which is easy to do. So

717
00:25:49,482 --> 00:25:51,960
I learned quite a bit about racing.

718
00:25:53,412 --> 00:25:55,248
But still not on an intense level. I

719
00:25:55,248 --> 00:25:57,483
wouldn't, like, train properly or stuff like that.

720
00:25:57,802 --> 00:25:58,919
Okay. Just ride bikes.

721
00:26:01,408 --> 00:26:01,805
But then,

722
00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:05,460
actually, Matt dog Boris from back then mark

723
00:26:05,460 --> 00:26:07,310
by ride a magazine, which was the

724
00:26:08,002 --> 00:26:09,432
German gravity magazine.

725
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:12,152
He approached me and he was, like,

726
00:26:13,028 --> 00:26:16,392
Saber from the deep summer, oh, the Scandinavian

727
00:26:16,449 --> 00:26:18,598
photo change. He was, like, yeah. I heard

728
00:26:18,598 --> 00:26:20,606
you were doing that with Saber and he

729
00:26:20,606 --> 00:26:22,839
said you're, like, really sick rider. So we

730
00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:24,674
wanna do a little team for the magazine

731
00:26:24,674 --> 00:26:26,110
like, you you keys. Yeah.

732
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,904
So that kicked off with that as well.

733
00:26:29,142 --> 00:26:29,618
So

734
00:26:30,015 --> 00:26:32,633
was that the bull's connection then. That developed

735
00:26:32,633 --> 00:26:34,799
out of that, because it was like a

736
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:37,182
full in house magazine team in the first

737
00:26:37,182 --> 00:26:37,342
place,

738
00:26:38,378 --> 00:26:40,293
and Boris kind of ran that, so we've

739
00:26:40,293 --> 00:26:41,409
ran around Eurobike,

740
00:26:42,765 --> 00:26:44,461
the year prior, and

741
00:26:44,773 --> 00:26:47,153
like, hooked up with sponsors, which was obviously

742
00:26:47,153 --> 00:26:48,739
easy because they were all keen to be

743
00:26:48,739 --> 00:26:50,564
in the magazine. Yeah. So it wasn't too

744
00:26:50,564 --> 00:26:52,724
much about the writers. Most of the people

745
00:26:52,724 --> 00:26:54,794
probably didn't you me. Okay. But they were

746
00:26:54,794 --> 00:26:57,103
like, yeah. We give you free frames, we

747
00:26:57,103 --> 00:26:58,377
give you, like, stuff, so.

748
00:27:00,143 --> 00:27:02,208
We got, free bikes all of a sudden.

749
00:27:03,003 --> 00:27:05,307
No like, budget or anything. Yeah. We got

750
00:27:05,307 --> 00:27:07,691
stuff. I was sick. And so it was

751
00:27:07,691 --> 00:27:10,012
me and Made racing for that. It was

752
00:27:10,012 --> 00:27:11,366
a nuke proof. Okay.

753
00:27:12,401 --> 00:27:14,391
Mountain bike rider racing team Yeah. Or something

754
00:27:14,391 --> 00:27:14,709
like that.

755
00:27:15,425 --> 00:27:15,823
And,

756
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:17,930
So

757
00:27:18,306 --> 00:27:20,614
we decided because I had recently met Potty.

758
00:27:20,933 --> 00:27:23,082
Mh. And Germany, who was traveling in a

759
00:27:23,082 --> 00:27:24,569
camper van with has made

760
00:27:25,087 --> 00:27:25,587
Stefan

761
00:27:26,202 --> 00:27:27,396
for the season.

762
00:27:27,953 --> 00:27:30,103
And he was the only other person in

763
00:27:30,103 --> 00:27:32,333
the world, I believe racing among bike.

764
00:27:33,223 --> 00:27:35,210
And me. Yes. So I raised the Mon

765
00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:36,481
bike as well because,

766
00:27:37,116 --> 00:27:39,738
Alm gave it to me U. Through this

767
00:27:39,738 --> 00:27:40,556
connection. So

768
00:27:41,899 --> 00:27:43,498
So we got to know each other through

769
00:27:43,498 --> 00:27:45,415
that. And then he was like, oh, yeah.

770
00:27:45,655 --> 00:27:47,413
You can come down in winter because your

771
00:27:47,413 --> 00:27:48,053
winter must,

772
00:27:48,692 --> 00:27:51,102
suck pretty bad for riding. So I was

773
00:27:51,102 --> 00:27:53,007
like, yeah, Let's actually do it. And we

774
00:27:53,007 --> 00:27:53,903
did it. So

775
00:27:54,356 --> 00:27:56,364
I went down there with Tommy, my teammate

776
00:27:56,419 --> 00:27:58,189
on the new proof then for

777
00:27:58,658 --> 00:28:00,013
20 12, I believe. K.

778
00:28:02,485 --> 00:28:04,876
And, yeah, we went down for 2 months

779
00:28:04,876 --> 00:28:05,833
to South Africa,

780
00:28:06,391 --> 00:28:06,845
just

781
00:28:07,203 --> 00:28:10,954
live life, like road trip riding bikes. And

782
00:28:10,954 --> 00:28:12,949
actually, Johan back at the time was already,

783
00:28:13,028 --> 00:28:13,986
like a hard training.

784
00:28:14,959 --> 00:28:16,634
Athlete. Like, he was putting a lot into

785
00:28:16,634 --> 00:28:18,390
it. This is Jo ham Potter. Right? Yeah.

786
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:20,465
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Potty. So most people would

787
00:28:20,465 --> 00:28:23,693
know him as potty. Pot sc. He's Now

788
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:25,341
part of the White t mo as a

789
00:28:25,341 --> 00:28:28,841
line coach for For, like, Vale, Ocean and

790
00:28:28,841 --> 00:28:29,397
and Sean and.

791
00:28:30,289 --> 00:28:30,789
So

792
00:28:31,247 --> 00:28:34,040
it's cool how that comes together again, but

793
00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:35,338
he actually

794
00:28:36,035 --> 00:28:36,855
showed me

795
00:28:37,233 --> 00:28:39,502
quite a lot about being a down.

796
00:28:40,592 --> 00:28:42,660
Like, he would do sprints and stuff like

797
00:28:42,660 --> 00:28:44,648
that. And, like, we would join and I

798
00:28:44,648 --> 00:28:47,209
would die after, like, 2 sprints snack. Wow,

799
00:28:47,529 --> 00:28:49,766
why is this so hard And and I

800
00:28:49,766 --> 00:28:51,284
figured like, oh, if I do this more

801
00:28:51,284 --> 00:28:53,281
often, it probably wouldn't feel as hard on

802
00:28:53,281 --> 00:28:53,840
the tracks, sir.

803
00:28:56,090 --> 00:28:57,366
Yeah. I ended up raising the,

804
00:28:58,163 --> 00:29:01,354
world cup in Peter Mad, which didn't go

805
00:29:01,354 --> 00:29:02,949
that well. Like, I think

806
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:06,390
maybe I crashed and my colleagues run or,

807
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:08,459
I, I had a rock or something and

808
00:29:08,459 --> 00:29:09,971
blew up my chain in my chain and

809
00:29:09,971 --> 00:29:10,949
all that. But

810
00:29:11,324 --> 00:29:12,916
I was still crazy because all of a

811
00:29:12,916 --> 00:29:14,764
sudden, you're on the track with like all

812
00:29:14,764 --> 00:29:15,963
your childhood heroes,

813
00:29:16,842 --> 00:29:19,239
and my head wasn't ready for that. Like

814
00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:19,878
Our I struggled,

815
00:29:20,917 --> 00:29:22,915
maybe not on that race as much, but

816
00:29:22,915 --> 00:29:23,655
the whole

817
00:29:23,968 --> 00:29:24,468
next

818
00:29:25,162 --> 00:29:25,878
2 seasons.

819
00:29:26,753 --> 00:29:28,526
I figured like that was my biggest

820
00:29:29,220 --> 00:29:31,686
struggle. K. To be on track with all

821
00:29:31,686 --> 00:29:32,721
my, like, heroes,

822
00:29:33,134 --> 00:29:34,883
And you feel like so small. Was it

823
00:29:34,883 --> 00:29:37,188
like an impostor syndrome? Kind of thing Did

824
00:29:37,188 --> 00:29:38,619
you feel that you did deserve to be

825
00:29:38,619 --> 00:29:40,686
there? Or you just intimidated by to... Yeah.

826
00:29:40,924 --> 00:29:41,424
Definitely.

827
00:29:42,037 --> 00:29:43,888
Like, I was like, oh, I'm gonna drop

828
00:29:43,888 --> 00:29:44,388
in

829
00:29:44,927 --> 00:29:46,286
into the section now and do my thing,

830
00:29:46,445 --> 00:29:48,044
but then you say like, oh, Steve Pee

831
00:29:48,044 --> 00:29:50,222
coming okay up. Maybe I way to

832
00:29:50,601 --> 00:29:52,292
wait till he's gone, but then like 1...

833
00:29:52,530 --> 00:29:54,756
Next one's comments, like Brand, Bryce.

834
00:29:55,391 --> 00:29:57,060
I don't know, like, all of, like, Min

835
00:29:57,060 --> 00:29:58,649
and all the fast guys and you're like,

836
00:29:59,459 --> 00:30:00,967
when I'm not going anywhere here, like...

837
00:30:01,999 --> 00:30:05,754
And my my whole mindset, like, shifted from

838
00:30:05,889 --> 00:30:06,762
just do your thing.

839
00:30:07,493 --> 00:30:09,589
Do your best, like, ride your thing

840
00:30:10,764 --> 00:30:13,078
to, like, worrying about stuff that happened around

841
00:30:13,078 --> 00:30:15,644
me? K. Which took totally the focus away

842
00:30:15,644 --> 00:30:19,252
from riding bikes good. Because I feel like

843
00:30:19,548 --> 00:30:21,142
I was a pretty decent bike rider then.

844
00:30:21,301 --> 00:30:23,713
Mh. But I wasn't able to

845
00:30:25,221 --> 00:30:27,214
bring that to the track because my head

846
00:30:27,214 --> 00:30:27,714
was

847
00:30:28,330 --> 00:30:30,243
spinning around so much other stuff. Yeah. On

848
00:30:30,243 --> 00:30:32,236
the track, rather than ride my bike.

849
00:30:33,688 --> 00:30:35,046
Did you get any help on that? Was

850
00:30:35,046 --> 00:30:36,745
there... Was like sports psychology,

851
00:30:37,683 --> 00:30:39,361
really a thing at the world cup in

852
00:30:39,361 --> 00:30:39,920
those days?

853
00:30:40,493 --> 00:30:42,642
Not really. Yeah. I think like, I felt,

854
00:30:42,722 --> 00:30:43,995
like, I needed just man up,

855
00:30:45,030 --> 00:30:46,701
which is bad. Like, yeah. That was, like,

856
00:30:46,781 --> 00:30:48,789
the the feeling I had And I don't

857
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:50,547
even know where that, like, came from. I

858
00:30:50,547 --> 00:30:52,784
didn't, like, I think it's a generational thing.

859
00:30:52,944 --> 00:30:54,861
Right? Yeah I was the approach that I

860
00:30:54,861 --> 00:30:57,190
wasn't, like, teach or, like, r

861
00:30:57,666 --> 00:30:59,493
grown up like that. Yeah. At home, like,

862
00:30:59,652 --> 00:31:01,081
that wouldn't be a thing. So,

863
00:31:01,876 --> 00:31:03,305
I don't really know where that came from,

864
00:31:03,464 --> 00:31:06,262
but, like, everyone was tough boys on, on

865
00:31:06,262 --> 00:31:08,172
the tracks and in the scene, So it's

866
00:31:08,172 --> 00:31:10,582
like, I think if I'd even

867
00:31:11,356 --> 00:31:14,085
talked about that, He'd be like, a weak

868
00:31:14,085 --> 00:31:15,765
guy maybe. Yeah. He feel like it shows

869
00:31:15,765 --> 00:31:17,125
a week. Yeah. And

870
00:31:17,684 --> 00:31:19,545
I don't know if that's wrong, but

871
00:31:21,379 --> 00:31:23,856
Yeah. I didn't... Like, at the time, I

872
00:31:23,856 --> 00:31:26,674
didn't feel comfortable enough to, like, just

873
00:31:27,053 --> 00:31:29,210
talk to someone about that stuff. Like, now

874
00:31:29,290 --> 00:31:30,184
I'm good.

875
00:31:30,982 --> 00:31:33,217
With talking stuff about that. And, also it

876
00:31:33,217 --> 00:31:34,037
teach me

877
00:31:34,415 --> 00:31:35,154
so much

878
00:31:36,012 --> 00:31:38,486
for now. Like when I started erasing Aws,

879
00:31:38,726 --> 00:31:40,759
I felt pretty good straight away because

880
00:31:41,138 --> 00:31:43,216
it's still like, I'm still racing my heroes.

881
00:31:43,615 --> 00:31:45,634
Like, I'm on a team

882
00:31:46,093 --> 00:31:47,372
with guys like that. So Yeah.

883
00:31:48,251 --> 00:31:49,964
It's still crazy. But

884
00:31:50,499 --> 00:31:52,091
I'm, I know who I am now,

885
00:31:52,967 --> 00:31:55,913
both as an athlete. Yeah. And just a

886
00:31:55,913 --> 00:31:57,999
human being, and that's what it comes down

887
00:31:57,999 --> 00:31:59,196
to in the end. Yeah. I feel like...

888
00:31:59,355 --> 00:32:01,670
And I figured now. Like, yeah. We are

889
00:32:01,670 --> 00:32:03,846
races, but it's it's a small bubble

890
00:32:04,224 --> 00:32:06,875
of people racing down the hill. Yeah. And

891
00:32:06,875 --> 00:32:08,955
the bigger thing is who you are without

892
00:32:08,955 --> 00:32:11,035
the bike. Yeah. But... I guess, the elder

893
00:32:11,035 --> 00:32:13,195
you get, most people become more comfortable in

894
00:32:13,195 --> 00:32:14,075
their own skin. Right?

895
00:32:14,889 --> 00:32:17,845
Hopefully. Yeah. Not always but, like, it's a

896
00:32:17,845 --> 00:32:20,162
general trend I think, But, yeah. How I

897
00:32:20,162 --> 00:32:21,061
don't know how

898
00:32:22,329 --> 00:32:24,792
it it must be possible to, like, do

899
00:32:24,792 --> 00:32:26,166
that earlier in your life

900
00:32:26,540 --> 00:32:27,970
with the right support and the right help

901
00:32:28,129 --> 00:32:28,367
I feel.

902
00:32:29,018 --> 00:32:31,008
But most people it just takes time. Certainly

903
00:32:31,008 --> 00:32:32,441
for me, it's take just taken a long

904
00:32:32,441 --> 00:32:33,896
time to feel like I know

905
00:32:34,271 --> 00:32:36,500
who I am and Yeah. What where my

906
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:38,012
place is. You what I mean? I feel

907
00:32:38,012 --> 00:32:40,598
like I never had a role model in

908
00:32:40,894 --> 00:32:41,691
racing. Okay.

909
00:32:43,443 --> 00:32:44,740
And that's why

910
00:32:45,275 --> 00:32:46,948
I'm pretty motivated now to, like,

911
00:32:47,998 --> 00:32:50,223
also see the young guys, especially from Germany

912
00:32:50,223 --> 00:32:50,620
and, like,

913
00:32:51,733 --> 00:32:52,845
even though it's just like,

914
00:32:54,514 --> 00:32:56,714
posting a comment on the Instagram ever now

915
00:32:56,834 --> 00:32:58,500
then after race or, like, drop them a

916
00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:01,753
message, but, like, showing your part of their

917
00:33:01,753 --> 00:33:03,499
story as well. Yeah. Okay. In terms of,

918
00:33:03,578 --> 00:33:03,737
like,

919
00:33:04,388 --> 00:33:06,541
I see you. Yeah. And if you need

920
00:33:06,541 --> 00:33:07,976
someone if you wanna talk, like,

921
00:33:08,694 --> 00:33:10,847
I'm here. That's cool. And to build a

922
00:33:10,847 --> 00:33:13,571
community like that because I felt like Always,

923
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:15,715
like, I had to figure stuff my myself

924
00:33:15,715 --> 00:33:16,589
and most.

925
00:33:17,065 --> 00:33:19,368
Pro riders kept cards pretty close to their

926
00:33:19,368 --> 00:33:22,069
chest back then. Yeah. At least in Germany

927
00:33:22,069 --> 00:33:22,569
and

928
00:33:23,277 --> 00:33:23,777
So

929
00:33:24,391 --> 00:33:25,983
that didn't help at all. And I feel

930
00:33:25,983 --> 00:33:26,483
like

931
00:33:26,938 --> 00:33:27,734
I always say that.

932
00:33:29,166 --> 00:33:31,634
I hope I'm not the only German flag

933
00:33:31,634 --> 00:33:32,293
in the

934
00:33:33,005 --> 00:33:35,644
top 30 top 20. Yeah. And as soon,

935
00:33:35,804 --> 00:33:37,804
like, I hope they're more German flags, and

936
00:33:37,804 --> 00:33:39,105
that's not gonna develop

937
00:33:39,484 --> 00:33:42,288
itself. Like, if up pass on the most

938
00:33:42,288 --> 00:33:44,510
stuff possible and and push the most because

939
00:33:44,589 --> 00:33:46,652
I'm, like, I made it there already. Mh.

940
00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:48,636
I know at least a few things that

941
00:33:48,636 --> 00:33:48,954
it takes.

942
00:33:49,605 --> 00:33:51,045
And if I pass that on to the

943
00:33:51,045 --> 00:33:53,765
guys as early as possible. Yeah. They might

944
00:33:53,765 --> 00:33:55,384
even go even further. So

945
00:33:56,244 --> 00:33:57,779
I feel like that wasn't missing for sure.

946
00:33:57,939 --> 00:33:59,617
Yeah. Days. And it helps us make them

947
00:33:59,617 --> 00:34:02,174
feel comfortable, I guess, like, like, just communicating,

948
00:34:02,334 --> 00:34:02,973
saying, hello,

949
00:34:03,772 --> 00:34:05,690
yeah. Post a message whatever. Yeah. Do you

950
00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:07,224
think do you think the downhill scene is

951
00:34:07,224 --> 00:34:08,905
more welcoming now than it was back then?

952
00:34:09,065 --> 00:34:10,284
Like, it's definitely changed

953
00:34:10,824 --> 00:34:12,364
a lot. I think it feels

954
00:34:12,664 --> 00:34:15,317
a relatively friendly place. But I mean, I

955
00:34:15,557 --> 00:34:17,391
I'd had similar feelings on the penny last

956
00:34:17,391 --> 00:34:19,146
week Right? We were waiting to try and

957
00:34:19,146 --> 00:34:20,262
get down the hill and then you're like,

958
00:34:20,342 --> 00:34:21,938
well, there's Am. Be let him go. Yeah.

959
00:34:22,257 --> 00:34:24,625
Oh, there's Miriam Bella Hog. Like, it was

960
00:34:24,902 --> 00:34:26,095
I can understand that. Yeah.

961
00:34:26,810 --> 00:34:27,684
Intimidation massively Yeah.

962
00:34:28,797 --> 00:34:31,260
I don't know. I mean, I changed. Yeah.

963
00:34:31,419 --> 00:34:32,714
Yeah For sure. But

964
00:34:33,899 --> 00:34:35,356
I can't talk too much

965
00:34:35,733 --> 00:34:37,965
for, like, national races because I haven't done

966
00:34:37,965 --> 00:34:39,480
any Mh in in a long time.

967
00:34:40,516 --> 00:34:41,973
I've done 1

968
00:34:42,604 --> 00:34:46,196
in 20 18, national champs, chairman champs. And

969
00:34:46,196 --> 00:34:47,793
most guys that still know me. That was,

970
00:34:47,872 --> 00:34:51,086
like, straight away, easy and good relationships, but

971
00:34:51,558 --> 00:34:53,310
then there were so many kids and and

972
00:34:53,310 --> 00:34:56,097
people that they didn't knew me. Mh. I

973
00:34:56,097 --> 00:34:57,849
don't know them. But I feel like in

974
00:34:57,849 --> 00:34:59,862
the World Cup racing scene it's pretty

975
00:35:00,173 --> 00:35:02,640
pretty cool. And also people are more outspoken

976
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:03,538
about struggling

977
00:35:04,152 --> 00:35:06,539
about mental problems and stuff like that. And

978
00:35:06,619 --> 00:35:09,188
I think that's super important. Yeah. You shouldn't

979
00:35:09,499 --> 00:35:09,739
like,

980
00:35:10,617 --> 00:35:11,814
over highlight that stuff,

981
00:35:12,532 --> 00:35:14,767
and it's dangerous to, like,

982
00:35:15,645 --> 00:35:18,533
sometimes make excuses maybe. I'm not I'm not

983
00:35:18,533 --> 00:35:20,447
judging anyone at all because I've been there,

984
00:35:20,606 --> 00:35:20,925
But,

985
00:35:22,202 --> 00:35:23,717
it's easy to fall down the horse on

986
00:35:23,717 --> 00:35:25,312
the on the other side as well. Good.

987
00:35:25,871 --> 00:35:27,806
I think it's so important

988
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:28,619
and

989
00:35:29,073 --> 00:35:29,891
and healthy

990
00:35:30,266 --> 00:35:31,482
to just be

991
00:35:31,857 --> 00:35:34,244
true, Yeah. To yourself and to others with

992
00:35:34,244 --> 00:35:34,402
that.

993
00:35:35,373 --> 00:35:37,523
Because only when you when you speak, you

994
00:35:37,523 --> 00:35:39,593
can be heard. Mh. In that way, and

995
00:35:39,593 --> 00:35:41,265
then you can be helped. Yeah. And you

996
00:35:41,265 --> 00:35:44,068
guys, as our idol like sharing that means

997
00:35:44,068 --> 00:35:45,266
it's more likely that we're gonna know as

998
00:35:45,266 --> 00:35:46,943
well Right? I think in our own friendship

999
00:35:46,943 --> 00:35:48,699
groups or writing groups. I think it makes

1000
00:35:48,699 --> 00:35:50,376
it okay to talk about some of that

1001
00:35:50,376 --> 00:35:52,132
stuff, which is cool. Yeah. And it's like

1002
00:35:52,132 --> 00:35:55,023
that's only a thing that showcases cases through

1003
00:35:55,023 --> 00:35:58,059
writing for riders maybe. Yeah. But it's something

1004
00:35:58,059 --> 00:35:59,737
that's, like, just human.

1005
00:36:00,695 --> 00:36:03,182
And it might showcase in a total different

1006
00:36:03,182 --> 00:36:05,971
area for a listener. Mh. Right now, maybe.

1007
00:36:06,768 --> 00:36:09,731
And maybe that helps them. You know? And

1008
00:36:09,891 --> 00:36:10,869
I feel like that's

1009
00:36:11,405 --> 00:36:12,463
the coolest thing

1010
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,494
that we can do as a writing scene

1011
00:36:15,950 --> 00:36:17,407
inspire people with

1012
00:36:17,798 --> 00:36:18,038
like,

1013
00:36:18,675 --> 00:36:21,621
values and Mh. And stuff like that, and

1014
00:36:21,621 --> 00:36:23,532
not just to go fast on it. Yeah.

1015
00:36:23,770 --> 00:36:25,601
Yeah. Bounce everything. Right? Being in a good

1016
00:36:25,601 --> 00:36:27,287
human. And have in front at the same

1017
00:36:27,287 --> 00:36:30,072
time. So, yeah, you're downhill career. Obviously, first

1018
00:36:30,072 --> 00:36:31,447
world cup in Peter Mari

1019
00:36:31,901 --> 00:36:33,970
and feeling quite intimidated, but you you carried

1020
00:36:33,970 --> 00:36:35,415
on with it. You did you know, a

1021
00:36:35,415 --> 00:36:37,081
few years of a sort of mixed program

1022
00:36:37,081 --> 00:36:39,858
of access and world cup downhill racing that

1023
00:36:39,858 --> 00:36:40,358
the

1024
00:36:40,890 --> 00:36:43,294
magazine team like merged into being

1025
00:36:43,762 --> 00:36:44,876
the ball's team.

1026
00:36:45,592 --> 00:36:48,217
Yeah. Talk us through, like, now looking back

1027
00:36:48,217 --> 00:36:50,340
on your downhill career. Like, how do you

1028
00:36:50,538 --> 00:36:51,333
how do you look at it? How do

1029
00:36:51,333 --> 00:36:51,969
you feel about it?

1030
00:36:54,752 --> 00:36:55,945
I feel like I learned a lot,

1031
00:36:56,661 --> 00:36:58,568
but you... You also gotta see I never

1032
00:36:58,568 --> 00:36:59,761
raised as a junior? Mh.

1033
00:37:00,334 --> 00:37:00,834
So

1034
00:37:01,773 --> 00:37:04,329
all the stuff that most junior learn in

1035
00:37:04,329 --> 00:37:05,389
their junior career

1036
00:37:06,007 --> 00:37:06,668
I kinda

1037
00:37:07,046 --> 00:37:08,165
started doing that from, like,

1038
00:37:09,376 --> 00:37:10,011
my twenties on.

1039
00:37:10,726 --> 00:37:13,508
So that was a big learning, and sometimes,

1040
00:37:13,667 --> 00:37:15,813
I feel like I've maybe missed out on

1041
00:37:15,813 --> 00:37:18,053
an opportunity, Like, I could have made more

1042
00:37:18,053 --> 00:37:20,280
out of it. Mh. But then I gotta

1043
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,587
be graceful to myself and be, like, well,

1044
00:37:22,746 --> 00:37:24,416
that's actually when you started racing. Like, you

1045
00:37:24,416 --> 00:37:26,426
were just trying to figure this thing out.

1046
00:37:26,665 --> 00:37:29,219
Yeah. And, yeah. As you said, the the

1047
00:37:29,219 --> 00:37:32,173
bold skies approached the magazine back then for

1048
00:37:32,173 --> 00:37:34,583
20 13 to, like, run a team,

1049
00:37:35,462 --> 00:37:36,820
and that's when I got on the team

1050
00:37:36,820 --> 00:37:39,057
with Win. Yeah. So that was a big

1051
00:37:39,057 --> 00:37:41,155
step for me too because Wynn was obviously

1052
00:37:41,309 --> 00:37:43,304
well known on the scene already he had

1053
00:37:43,304 --> 00:37:43,804
massive

1054
00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:46,976
experience and racing world world cups for.

1055
00:37:47,614 --> 00:37:48,971
I don't know how many years already.

1056
00:37:49,943 --> 00:37:50,443
And

1057
00:37:50,898 --> 00:37:53,525
it's funny how, like, back then, he was

1058
00:37:53,525 --> 00:37:54,184
in a

1059
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,493
crucial point of His career I feel like

1060
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:58,158
because he was just coming back from a

1061
00:37:58,158 --> 00:38:00,626
set of injuries Yeah. Trying to get us

1062
00:38:00,626 --> 00:38:02,400
back to the wall and just

1063
00:38:02,775 --> 00:38:05,243
make something work. So he was pretty focused

1064
00:38:05,243 --> 00:38:07,246
on himself. And it told me that after

1065
00:38:07,246 --> 00:38:09,494
the whole team thing. As well, which is,

1066
00:38:09,789 --> 00:38:10,186
beautiful.

1067
00:38:11,855 --> 00:38:12,490
Because back then,

1068
00:38:13,619 --> 00:38:16,412
I had more... I had higher hopes in

1069
00:38:16,412 --> 00:38:18,407
having someone like him as a teammate. Okay.

1070
00:38:18,647 --> 00:38:20,483
In terms of passing on stuff and maybe,

1071
00:38:20,563 --> 00:38:21,440
like, from him.

1072
00:38:22,173 --> 00:38:23,687
But he was really focused on his own

1073
00:38:23,687 --> 00:38:25,122
thing because he needed to make it work

1074
00:38:25,122 --> 00:38:27,592
for himself, which is fair enough I understand

1075
00:38:27,592 --> 00:38:28,331
that. But

1076
00:38:30,236 --> 00:38:32,327
So we never, like, really had that

1077
00:38:32,782 --> 00:38:34,930
bond or, like, a a deep friendship or

1078
00:38:34,930 --> 00:38:36,521
whatever in the Korea even though, like,

1079
00:38:37,411 --> 00:38:38,998
he lived at my house for a little

1080
00:38:38,998 --> 00:38:40,824
bit, even Eddy and some of the Van

1081
00:38:40,824 --> 00:38:42,728
x when they flew over, they all ended

1082
00:38:42,728 --> 00:38:45,348
up at my parents house nice. So, like,

1083
00:38:45,999 --> 00:38:47,835
hands down. My parents are pretty cool. In

1084
00:38:47,835 --> 00:38:49,910
that way, just I all the older the

1085
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:50,309
guys there.

1086
00:38:52,623 --> 00:38:53,842
But... Yeah. So

1087
00:38:54,315 --> 00:38:55,675
I was on the team with Win, and

1088
00:38:55,835 --> 00:38:57,914
I learned a lot from just, like, looking

1089
00:38:57,914 --> 00:39:00,155
what he does. Yeah. And trying to follow

1090
00:39:00,155 --> 00:39:02,725
along. Like, even... I mean, for sure riding,

1091
00:39:03,043 --> 00:39:05,192
like, riding behind someone who's faster than you

1092
00:39:05,192 --> 00:39:08,296
always Yeah. Teaches you. But even, like approaching

1093
00:39:08,296 --> 00:39:10,046
racing and all that stuff. So I learned

1094
00:39:10,046 --> 00:39:11,183
a lot and

1095
00:39:11,733 --> 00:39:13,648
I didn't really qualify much back in a

1096
00:39:13,648 --> 00:39:16,439
days. So I ended up being a mechanic

1097
00:39:16,439 --> 00:39:19,550
for wind. Mh. Sometimes like swapping frames overnight

1098
00:39:19,550 --> 00:39:20,927
because it was all, like prototype

1099
00:39:21,878 --> 00:39:23,951
stuff, and we would have problems. So, like,

1100
00:39:24,669 --> 00:39:26,104
I did a lot of that stuff. But

1101
00:39:26,104 --> 00:39:28,097
it was cool. It was now that I

1102
00:39:28,097 --> 00:39:29,851
looked back. It was actually a really special

1103
00:39:29,851 --> 00:39:32,172
time and I'll I'll learn so much about

1104
00:39:32,172 --> 00:39:33,205
racing in general, Like,

1105
00:39:34,556 --> 00:39:35,056
about

1106
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:37,893
teams like what makes a team a team

1107
00:39:37,893 --> 00:39:40,137
and what do you need? On a team

1108
00:39:40,137 --> 00:39:42,851
and, like, material and and all that stuff.

1109
00:39:43,010 --> 00:39:43,510
And

1110
00:39:44,846 --> 00:39:46,921
it's funny how when all that ended.

1111
00:39:48,053 --> 00:39:50,041
I actually became good friends with win. Okay.

1112
00:39:50,279 --> 00:39:50,779
I

1113
00:39:51,234 --> 00:39:53,142
I don't know if, like, the pressure needed

1114
00:39:53,142 --> 00:39:55,050
to be off, you know, like, for him

1115
00:39:55,050 --> 00:39:57,118
or a year or both. I feel like

1116
00:39:57,118 --> 00:40:00,250
we're both Yeah. Developed as as persons for

1117
00:40:00,250 --> 00:40:01,849
sure. But Yeah. I feel like for him

1118
00:40:01,849 --> 00:40:03,789
and it was a lot of pressure this

1119
00:40:04,010 --> 00:40:06,409
those years because he knew that was maybe

1120
00:40:06,409 --> 00:40:06,909
his

1121
00:40:07,223 --> 00:40:09,367
like, last shot or whatever. Yeah. And he

1122
00:40:09,367 --> 00:40:11,194
made it work in our big time and

1123
00:40:11,353 --> 00:40:13,338
Yeah. And it's really cool to still see

1124
00:40:13,338 --> 00:40:14,951
him and and meet him and

1125
00:40:15,419 --> 00:40:17,010
And actually, when I started racing and end

1126
00:40:17,010 --> 00:40:19,873
du, he was already experienced in Endure, he

1127
00:40:19,873 --> 00:40:20,589
walked won

1128
00:40:21,066 --> 00:40:22,838
the Rot 1 already. So

1129
00:40:24,505 --> 00:40:25,244
that's when

1130
00:40:25,945 --> 00:40:28,364
the sort of relationship that Hoped for

1131
00:40:28,744 --> 00:40:30,585
came together and Yeah sort of developed. Like,

1132
00:40:30,744 --> 00:40:31,965
he would come to me

1133
00:40:32,439 --> 00:40:33,978
when I had, like, my first

1134
00:40:34,676 --> 00:40:36,913
top 20 ish stages and stuff, and it

1135
00:40:36,913 --> 00:40:39,284
was multiple day races still, like, 2 days

1136
00:40:39,563 --> 00:40:41,549
so Had a good first day for the

1137
00:40:41,549 --> 00:40:44,012
first time I remember in Pets. Yeah. And

1138
00:40:44,012 --> 00:40:45,840
he would text me messages all of sudden.

1139
00:40:46,158 --> 00:40:46,396
Like,

1140
00:40:47,369 --> 00:40:49,366
given me advice like, how to approach the

1141
00:40:49,366 --> 00:40:51,284
second day and given me props. And that

1142
00:40:51,284 --> 00:40:52,962
meant so much to me. Yeah. And that

1143
00:40:52,962 --> 00:40:54,480
was so cool because he would give me

1144
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,803
that honor advice, like, how to approach a

1145
00:40:56,803 --> 00:40:58,473
long stage. I've never done a long stage

1146
00:40:58,473 --> 00:41:00,620
in my life before. Yeah. So it was

1147
00:41:00,620 --> 00:41:02,608
like, oh, yeah, up here. You're not gonna

1148
00:41:02,608 --> 00:41:04,199
gain anything by risk in your life if

1149
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:04,699
you

1150
00:41:05,010 --> 00:41:07,010
do like this and that. And and that

1151
00:41:07,010 --> 00:41:09,329
was so cool. So awesome. Yeah. I feel

1152
00:41:09,329 --> 00:41:11,349
like the whole downhill thing was almost

1153
00:41:12,464 --> 00:41:14,697
like a a approving ground for that End

1154
00:41:14,697 --> 00:41:16,053
for me. Yeah. Yeah. It has been for

1155
00:41:16,053 --> 00:41:17,249
a lot of riders right, quite a lot

1156
00:41:17,249 --> 00:41:19,243
of people have gone that direction. Before we

1157
00:41:19,243 --> 00:41:20,519
move off the downhill here, I look back

1158
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:23,396
through your results, and it it feels like...

1159
00:41:23,713 --> 00:41:24,822
I don't know if you feel this, but

1160
00:41:24,822 --> 00:41:26,011
it feels like there's a bit of a

1161
00:41:26,011 --> 00:41:28,388
trend where when it was world champs,

1162
00:41:28,942 --> 00:41:30,948
that's looks like where you had your best

1163
00:41:30,948 --> 00:41:32,223
results. And in a way, you could see

1164
00:41:32,223 --> 00:41:33,578
that as a more pressured event because it's

1165
00:41:33,578 --> 00:41:35,093
such a big thing. Yeah. But it's a

1166
00:41:35,093 --> 00:41:37,005
different format, and you don't have to qualify.

1167
00:41:37,899 --> 00:41:40,056
Do you think it was related to the

1168
00:41:40,056 --> 00:41:41,814
format? Did you feel different at a world

1169
00:41:41,814 --> 00:41:43,892
champs? Why do you think those results came

1170
00:41:43,892 --> 00:41:46,143
better maybe than the the world cup? Yeah.

1171
00:41:46,303 --> 00:41:46,782
It's funny.

1172
00:41:48,377 --> 00:41:51,110
I don't know. Some somehow world cups became

1173
00:41:51,328 --> 00:41:52,444
my nemesis. Like, and...

1174
00:41:53,322 --> 00:41:56,207
Yeah. I I hardly qualified that at many,

1175
00:41:56,366 --> 00:41:57,719
like, I don't know I qualified it a

1176
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,584
few times, but in in general, like, for

1177
00:42:00,584 --> 00:42:01,698
how many I tried,

1178
00:42:02,494 --> 00:42:04,244
I didn't qualify it at many. And then

1179
00:42:04,324 --> 00:42:05,062
I would be

1180
00:42:05,452 --> 00:42:07,441
so many guys who would beat me at

1181
00:42:07,441 --> 00:42:09,430
a World Cup at world champs. Yeah. Because

1182
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:11,896
I had to, like, top 40. Yeah. Out

1183
00:42:11,896 --> 00:42:15,013
of 30 something val wise Yeah. Body soul

1184
00:42:15,013 --> 00:42:17,718
and. Yeah. Yeah. I'm nightly tracks as well.

1185
00:42:17,877 --> 00:42:20,581
Yeah. Yeah. So... And also another funny thing

1186
00:42:20,581 --> 00:42:22,755
is I would raise some of the same

1187
00:42:22,755 --> 00:42:24,675
guys and an eye access cup. Yeah. On

1188
00:42:24,675 --> 00:42:27,075
tracks like Sc, and I would get top

1189
00:42:27,075 --> 00:42:28,434
10 European cups.

1190
00:42:29,328 --> 00:42:31,396
And I would be some of the factory

1191
00:42:31,396 --> 00:42:31,896
riders

1192
00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:34,579
who I would never get close to you

1193
00:42:34,579 --> 00:42:36,113
on the world cup. So

1194
00:42:36,662 --> 00:42:39,151
I do feel like these guys knew already

1195
00:42:39,287 --> 00:42:40,401
that you have to step it up for

1196
00:42:40,401 --> 00:42:42,571
a world cup it's a different thing. But

1197
00:42:42,946 --> 00:42:44,878
like, did you feel more at home though

1198
00:42:45,268 --> 00:42:47,340
like an Excess or a a European. I

1199
00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:49,093
feel like, it was just, like, less pressure.

1200
00:42:49,333 --> 00:42:51,643
Yeah. That hole apostasy everything thing was less

1201
00:42:51,643 --> 00:42:55,080
significant and Yeah. Definitely. So get... If you

1202
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,068
could rewind the clock now and take a

1203
00:42:57,068 --> 00:42:58,976
psychologist with you to the world cups. Do

1204
00:42:58,976 --> 00:43:00,567
you think you could have got those results?

1205
00:43:01,058 --> 00:43:02,726
On a world cup with a bit more

1206
00:43:02,726 --> 00:43:05,451
help? Or do you think T of today

1207
00:43:05,904 --> 00:43:08,128
is mature enough and learn enough that you

1208
00:43:08,128 --> 00:43:09,637
could go back and put those results down?

1209
00:43:09,955 --> 00:43:10,724
That... That's

1210
00:43:11,163 --> 00:43:12,677
while I was tempted to do a world

1211
00:43:12,677 --> 00:43:12,996
cup again.

1212
00:43:14,192 --> 00:43:15,945
Because I actually wanted to find out because

1213
00:43:16,104 --> 00:43:18,437
I felt after I've done well

1214
00:43:18,749 --> 00:43:20,901
and end, like I had top twenties and

1215
00:43:20,901 --> 00:43:21,060
stuff.

1216
00:43:21,777 --> 00:43:23,770
I felt like I was such a more

1217
00:43:23,770 --> 00:43:26,081
well rounded rider and more solid rider. Mh.

1218
00:43:26,814 --> 00:43:29,207
I always have that question, like, wonder how

1219
00:43:29,207 --> 00:43:31,042
would do at a world cup now. Yeah.

1220
00:43:31,361 --> 00:43:34,248
But, I mean, watching it now now. Like

1221
00:43:34,248 --> 00:43:35,547
these days. It's

1222
00:43:36,164 --> 00:43:38,819
it's gnarly, like massive respect. And it's... So

1223
00:43:38,958 --> 00:43:40,016
it's cool to be

1224
00:43:40,873 --> 00:43:42,470
close to that through the team. Mh.

1225
00:43:43,759 --> 00:43:45,349
But I'm not tempted to do a world

1226
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:47,338
cup right now. You know? No. Do you

1227
00:43:47,338 --> 00:43:48,213
think that I'll ever a change?

1228
00:43:49,978 --> 00:43:52,208
Yeah. I I think that's done. Okay. But

1229
00:43:52,208 --> 00:43:53,244
you get to hang out in the big

1230
00:43:53,244 --> 00:43:55,474
truck then? Yeah. Well, I still do.

1231
00:43:56,669 --> 00:43:57,704
I've not been in here yet I wanna

1232
00:43:57,704 --> 00:43:59,234
go and have a look this week. Spare

1233
00:43:59,234 --> 00:44:00,533
barista for your hands

1234
00:44:01,072 --> 00:44:03,069
machine so. Perfect. Nice. It's what we know

1235
00:44:03,069 --> 00:44:03,788
it's come for coffee.

1236
00:44:04,587 --> 00:44:06,439
Good stuff man. So, yeah, Obviously, this this

1237
00:44:06,439 --> 00:44:08,434
downhill career, and you stay with bulls I

1238
00:44:08,434 --> 00:44:09,871
think you were with bulls for about 10

1239
00:44:09,871 --> 00:44:11,866
years in the end. Yeah. 10 years well.

1240
00:44:12,025 --> 00:44:13,941
Was it your decision to move to end

1241
00:44:13,941 --> 00:44:15,474
endure. Was it like a push from bulls?

1242
00:44:15,635 --> 00:44:17,714
How did the end interior shift come? It's

1243
00:44:17,714 --> 00:44:20,914
actually both because obviously, they stopped the donald

1244
00:44:20,914 --> 00:44:24,367
program as they did... Like, they never quite

1245
00:44:24,367 --> 00:44:25,824
committed enough to it to

1246
00:44:26,281 --> 00:44:28,354
to establish them as a Donald brand. I

1247
00:44:28,354 --> 00:44:30,427
feel like the bike was for the time

1248
00:44:30,427 --> 00:44:32,762
a really good raw bike. Like

1249
00:44:33,313 --> 00:44:34,906
if you develop that thing, it would have

1250
00:44:34,906 --> 00:44:35,782
been pretty good.

1251
00:44:37,693 --> 00:44:39,924
But they're never committed enough, I feel like

1252
00:44:39,924 --> 00:44:41,698
in in that way, which is

1253
00:44:42,407 --> 00:44:44,874
makes sense for the brand when when you

1254
00:44:44,874 --> 00:44:46,784
see the brand and understand the brand, it's

1255
00:44:46,784 --> 00:44:48,613
so different to it, like, a gravity based

1256
00:44:48,613 --> 00:44:51,135
brand. Yeah. But they were like, okay. We

1257
00:44:51,334 --> 00:44:53,168
like this whole endure thing is a thing

1258
00:44:53,168 --> 00:44:54,147
now and

1259
00:44:54,604 --> 00:44:56,917
it fits more to our products.

1260
00:44:57,316 --> 00:44:59,650
So we develop a little bit and.

1261
00:45:00,187 --> 00:45:00,687
And

1262
00:45:01,399 --> 00:45:02,358
you wanna give it a crack.

1263
00:45:03,077 --> 00:45:05,074
And, I mean, obviously, at the time, I

1264
00:45:05,074 --> 00:45:07,071
did not have many choices. Like, I could've

1265
00:45:07,071 --> 00:45:07,630
have been on...

1266
00:45:08,364 --> 00:45:09,479
Some German down team.

1267
00:45:10,355 --> 00:45:13,483
Bulls gave me the opportunity to raise the,

1268
00:45:13,859 --> 00:45:15,532
and then I could still do the download

1269
00:45:15,532 --> 00:45:16,828
part. So

1270
00:45:17,219 --> 00:45:18,198
for that season

1271
00:45:18,894 --> 00:45:19,394
20

1272
00:45:20,011 --> 00:45:21,048
17, maybe.

1273
00:45:21,925 --> 00:45:22,664
I've raised

1274
00:45:23,121 --> 00:45:25,434
more down still than under all 16. I

1275
00:45:25,434 --> 00:45:26,891
don't know what he was. But

1276
00:45:27,684 --> 00:45:29,925
I just raised under a series. They said

1277
00:45:29,925 --> 00:45:30,824
you should raise

1278
00:45:31,684 --> 00:45:34,484
for still doing my pro... Donald program. Yeah.

1279
00:45:34,964 --> 00:45:35,204
And,

1280
00:45:36,578 --> 00:45:39,202
but actually straight away, first race. I was

1281
00:45:39,202 --> 00:45:40,951
like, oh, that actually feels like riding bikes

1282
00:45:40,951 --> 00:45:43,098
at home because as I said, I don't

1283
00:45:43,098 --> 00:45:45,020
have a bike park. I don't have down

1284
00:45:45,020 --> 00:45:47,481
tracks. Yeah. At home, it's always been end.

1285
00:45:48,433 --> 00:45:50,655
You either push up your bike or you

1286
00:45:50,655 --> 00:45:52,655
ride up your bike, the hills, and then

1287
00:45:52,655 --> 00:45:54,719
you write down trails. So that's your donald

1288
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,974
training. Yeah. Which is essentially a riding. So

1289
00:45:57,974 --> 00:45:59,403
straight away you felt more comfortable Like that,

1290
00:45:59,562 --> 00:46:02,040
Yeah. So felt more like Oh, that's actually

1291
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,154
what I do at home. Yeah.

1292
00:46:03,791 --> 00:46:05,883
And so that those races

1293
00:46:06,497 --> 00:46:09,203
became national champion straight away that year. Yeah.

1294
00:46:09,521 --> 00:46:10,578
So I was

1295
00:46:10,969 --> 00:46:12,967
pretty successful I'd say in in the first

1296
00:46:12,967 --> 00:46:13,206
season.

1297
00:46:15,204 --> 00:46:16,482
And I was like, oh, that's sick. Like,

1298
00:46:16,641 --> 00:46:18,160
we're writing so many new places.

1299
00:46:18,573 --> 00:46:20,326
Because I've been on the Donaldson scene for

1300
00:46:20,326 --> 00:46:21,838
quite a while and you raised the same

1301
00:46:21,838 --> 00:46:23,113
tracks over and over again.

1302
00:46:24,228 --> 00:46:25,741
And I feel like that's a point for

1303
00:46:25,741 --> 00:46:27,909
many guys who switched I was like, oh,

1304
00:46:27,989 --> 00:46:30,726
that feels fresh. It's just something new and

1305
00:46:31,026 --> 00:46:31,505
it's like,

1306
00:46:32,224 --> 00:46:35,501
new tracks, new locations. You experience the locations

1307
00:46:35,501 --> 00:46:38,152
differently, like, a more well rounded a picture

1308
00:46:38,152 --> 00:46:39,850
of the location and stuff. And

1309
00:46:41,505 --> 00:46:42,165
I still

1310
00:46:42,543 --> 00:46:45,438
know and and believe that both sports, disciplines

1311
00:46:46,136 --> 00:46:46,636
have

1312
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:49,670
that, like, their pros that you can't beat

1313
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:50,710
with the other 1, But Yeah.

1314
00:46:51,590 --> 00:46:53,269
That just felt fresh to me and and

1315
00:46:53,269 --> 00:46:55,599
felt good. So I kinda committed turned or

1316
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:58,005
the following year? Yeah. Would was it less

1317
00:46:58,617 --> 00:47:00,841
intimidating? I guess at that point in, there

1318
00:47:00,841 --> 00:47:03,636
was, like, the interior riders work quite as

1319
00:47:03,636 --> 00:47:05,938
elevated as they are now in like, the

1320
00:47:05,938 --> 00:47:06,518
sort of

1321
00:47:07,686 --> 00:47:09,353
side of things, but then there were a

1322
00:47:09,353 --> 00:47:11,259
few people that had come across from down

1323
00:47:11,418 --> 00:47:12,212
Fabian and Nico.

1324
00:47:12,863 --> 00:47:14,774
Like some, you know, those superheroes of the

1325
00:47:14,774 --> 00:47:15,730
sport from the nineties.

1326
00:47:16,287 --> 00:47:18,677
How did you feel more comfortable not just

1327
00:47:18,677 --> 00:47:20,349
with the style of riding, but in that

1328
00:47:20,349 --> 00:47:22,536
group of people? Mh Well I

1329
00:47:23,150 --> 00:47:25,480
didn't really raise those people till

1330
00:47:26,173 --> 00:47:26,673
20

1331
00:47:27,048 --> 00:47:28,401
18. U. Because,

1332
00:47:29,117 --> 00:47:30,492
my bikes wouldn't be

1333
00:47:31,204 --> 00:47:34,481
strong enough Avoid. Okay. So in the first

1334
00:47:34,481 --> 00:47:37,198
place, I just raised, like, smaller races, michelin

1335
00:47:37,198 --> 00:47:39,935
races. We had, I think called trail

1336
00:47:40,969 --> 00:47:43,547
that was pretty close to, like, Alpine riding

1337
00:47:43,686 --> 00:47:45,444
had a few stops in in the Alps,

1338
00:47:47,282 --> 00:47:49,860
but it was like a German based series

1339
00:47:50,331 --> 00:47:51,999
And I did all those races. I think

1340
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:53,429
I did 24

1341
00:47:53,429 --> 00:47:55,097
races in total that. Yeah. Yeah.

1342
00:47:56,288 --> 00:47:58,869
Not being a multi time that yet. So

1343
00:47:59,725 --> 00:48:01,798
I was... I had more time on hands

1344
00:48:01,798 --> 00:48:02,197
for that.

1345
00:48:03,633 --> 00:48:06,106
But so I raised loads of smaller races,

1346
00:48:06,265 --> 00:48:08,121
but the bikes weren't

1347
00:48:08,432 --> 00:48:10,815
went ready. Like, I knew it wouldn't make

1348
00:48:10,815 --> 00:48:12,960
sense to sign up for Aws. Even though

1349
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,501
I was already signed up 20 16 for

1350
00:48:15,501 --> 00:48:17,826
finale. Mh. But then my bike wouldn't make

1351
00:48:17,826 --> 00:48:20,460
it. Most of the smaller races. Yeah. So

1352
00:48:20,460 --> 00:48:22,135
we figured it's it's not worth it.

1353
00:48:23,971 --> 00:48:24,471
But

1354
00:48:25,103 --> 00:48:26,538
Even in those smaller races,

1355
00:48:27,017 --> 00:48:28,851
it was funny because I knew there were,

1356
00:48:28,931 --> 00:48:30,845
like, established end specialists.

1357
00:48:31,403 --> 00:48:33,237
And the German speaking scene and some of

1358
00:48:33,237 --> 00:48:35,085
them were on, unlike world cup Teams.

1359
00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:37,019
And

1360
00:48:37,554 --> 00:48:39,625
I was the new guy, like the Donald

1361
00:48:39,625 --> 00:48:41,536
guy. I knew it was good bike rider,

1362
00:48:41,695 --> 00:48:43,940
But again, I could feel that like thoughts

1363
00:48:43,940 --> 00:48:46,725
creep and... Oh, he's, like, he's he must

1364
00:48:46,725 --> 00:48:48,635
be the fitter guy ever because he's like,

1365
00:48:48,795 --> 00:48:51,278
training that hard or whatever. So But then

1366
00:48:51,438 --> 00:48:53,593
I started beating all those guys. Like, I

1367
00:48:53,593 --> 00:48:53,912
hardly...

1368
00:48:54,551 --> 00:48:55,530
I think I won

1369
00:48:56,148 --> 00:48:57,744
all races basically that. I did.

1370
00:48:58,622 --> 00:48:59,122
And

1371
00:49:00,151 --> 00:49:02,217
then it also, like, people were like, why

1372
00:49:02,217 --> 00:49:04,681
don't you raise C aws and and I'm

1373
00:49:04,681 --> 00:49:06,826
like, yeah, well, I would like to the

1374
00:49:06,826 --> 00:49:08,757
buy not going there. Yet. Yeah. That's a

1375
00:49:08,757 --> 00:49:10,276
kind of tricky 1. Right? You don't you

1376
00:49:10,276 --> 00:49:12,114
don't wanna throw responses under the bus, but

1377
00:49:12,114 --> 00:49:14,751
like exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Also you want you

1378
00:49:14,751 --> 00:49:15,410
don't wanna

1379
00:49:15,884 --> 00:49:18,121
do yourself a this disservice, but, I'm not

1380
00:49:18,121 --> 00:49:20,438
ready for Aws or whatever. And then we...

1381
00:49:20,677 --> 00:49:21,955
I mean, we kinda got it ready.

1382
00:49:23,487 --> 00:49:26,063
With some mods. Like I did a

1383
00:49:26,441 --> 00:49:28,596
with a mate. We did a a different

1384
00:49:28,596 --> 00:49:31,230
link, like Cnc machine instead of a 2

1385
00:49:31,230 --> 00:49:32,923
piece carbon thing and stuff like that to

1386
00:49:32,923 --> 00:49:34,201
make the bike last. Yeah.

1387
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,359
And and work a little better.

1388
00:49:37,398 --> 00:49:39,969
And that was cool because I mean, a

1389
00:49:39,969 --> 00:49:41,824
bulls didn't have a developed

1390
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,435
department like that back in the days to,

1391
00:49:44,515 --> 00:49:46,588
like, say, we make a prototype where race,

1392
00:49:46,828 --> 00:49:48,981
gravity raises on. It's like they have a

1393
00:49:48,981 --> 00:49:49,481
massive,

1394
00:49:51,235 --> 00:49:52,914
range of bikes that they need to work

1395
00:49:52,914 --> 00:49:55,315
on and. Yes. Like, biggest respect to the

1396
00:49:55,315 --> 00:49:57,715
engineers because it's a massive job. And it's

1397
00:49:57,715 --> 00:49:59,155
different approach, as I said,

1398
00:49:59,808 --> 00:50:01,480
and still they made it work, and they

1399
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:02,913
gave me a bike in the end that

1400
00:50:02,913 --> 00:50:04,130
really worked. So

1401
00:50:04,983 --> 00:50:07,792
thanks for that. But we kinda had to

1402
00:50:08,422 --> 00:50:08,581
like,

1403
00:50:09,297 --> 00:50:12,001
figure out our ourselves back then. Yeah. And

1404
00:50:12,001 --> 00:50:13,353
then we got it ready and I signed

1405
00:50:13,353 --> 00:50:14,308
up for my first

1406
00:50:15,197 --> 00:50:18,290
20 18 Mh. In or large. Yeah.

1407
00:50:19,003 --> 00:50:19,503
Which

1408
00:50:20,669 --> 00:50:23,143
appears to be the hardest 1 ever in

1409
00:50:23,143 --> 00:50:25,713
the history, Is that the wet Rocky French

1410
00:50:25,770 --> 00:50:28,715
1. Yeah. Yeah. 2 days or like 4

1411
00:50:28,715 --> 00:50:31,119
days with with practice, and it's like I

1412
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:32,795
think it was the biggest 1 in terms

1413
00:50:32,795 --> 00:50:33,275
of pedal.

1414
00:50:33,913 --> 00:50:35,531
Title asians, and

1415
00:50:36,308 --> 00:50:38,224
I I felt like I got run over

1416
00:50:38,224 --> 00:50:40,300
by bus couple of times after that race.

1417
00:50:40,474 --> 00:50:42,627
And I was like, okay. So that's under.

1418
00:50:42,866 --> 00:50:45,257
This is real. Yeah. Yeah. This is the

1419
00:50:45,257 --> 00:50:46,374
big show. And at...

1420
00:50:47,330 --> 00:50:48,446
At that point, I was like,

1421
00:50:49,179 --> 00:50:51,813
kind tinkering along. Like, I knew from racing

1422
00:50:51,813 --> 00:50:52,851
all these smaller races.

1423
00:50:53,809 --> 00:50:54,447
It's not like,

1424
00:50:55,166 --> 00:50:57,242
I wasn't chasing a career or anything, but

1425
00:50:57,401 --> 00:50:59,960
I knew, like, job wise because we already

1426
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:00,777
had a kid

1427
00:51:01,943 --> 00:51:02,181
then...

1428
00:51:02,975 --> 00:51:05,356
And I you're like, well, I'm responsible for

1429
00:51:05,356 --> 00:51:06,387
stuff in my life.

1430
00:51:07,038 --> 00:51:08,629
For, like, a little family and all that.

1431
00:51:08,867 --> 00:51:10,538
So I need to have a job. Yeah.

1432
00:51:11,095 --> 00:51:12,606
And I was like, well, I'm not gonna

1433
00:51:12,606 --> 00:51:15,090
make anything out of racing small races all

1434
00:51:15,090 --> 00:51:16,765
the time, and it's not my passion either

1435
00:51:17,402 --> 00:51:20,034
Just, like, winning small races to be on

1436
00:51:20,034 --> 00:51:22,267
the box. I wanna challenge myself. I wanna

1437
00:51:22,267 --> 00:51:23,793
grow as an athlete and stuff like that.

1438
00:51:24,031 --> 00:51:24,531
So

1439
00:51:26,331 --> 00:51:28,654
I was like, okay. I'll give this Ew

1440
00:51:28,868 --> 00:51:30,557
thing a shout, and

1441
00:51:31,505 --> 00:51:33,025
if I do, like, top 50,

1442
00:51:33,905 --> 00:51:35,985
pretty much in the first season, I know

1443
00:51:35,985 --> 00:51:38,704
there's potential to to go further with training

1444
00:51:38,704 --> 00:51:40,800
because I didn't have a trainer back then.

1445
00:51:41,039 --> 00:51:43,219
Nothing like, I was just frees styling. And

1446
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,019
so no. I knew, like, there was

1447
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:47,280
improvement.

1448
00:51:48,172 --> 00:51:49,387
On the line, but

1449
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,222
I wanted to prove myself first that I

1450
00:51:52,222 --> 00:51:54,842
have what it takes Yeah. To make it

1451
00:51:54,842 --> 00:51:54,922
in.

1452
00:51:56,367 --> 00:51:59,152
And so first race, I actually had, like

1453
00:51:59,311 --> 00:52:01,857
I had crashes. I had cramp. I'm, like,

1454
00:52:02,016 --> 00:52:03,687
I struggled so bad, but it was such

1455
00:52:03,687 --> 00:52:04,562
a big eye opener.

1456
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:07,599
I actually ran over 1 of my mates

1457
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:09,588
in 1 section That was the greatest part

1458
00:52:09,588 --> 00:52:11,179
of the race. Like he crashed in, like

1459
00:52:11,179 --> 00:52:11,577
a channel.

1460
00:52:12,465 --> 00:52:14,367
His bike was sideways. And I just like,

1461
00:52:14,446 --> 00:52:16,585
lifted my front wheel ran straight over him

1462
00:52:16,585 --> 00:52:17,140
and his bike.

1463
00:52:17,853 --> 00:52:18,749
That was a

1464
00:52:19,454 --> 00:52:21,132
image that I have from that race.

1465
00:52:21,851 --> 00:52:23,848
And so I was like, oh, okay. That's

1466
00:52:23,848 --> 00:52:24,407
under now.

1467
00:52:25,126 --> 00:52:27,059
But I knew... I think I was 50

1468
00:52:27,059 --> 00:52:29,137
second or something. Okay. 50. Okay. So close

1469
00:52:29,137 --> 00:52:30,974
to where you to be straight exactly. So

1470
00:52:31,054 --> 00:52:32,892
I was like, oh, that's that's actually been

1471
00:52:32,892 --> 00:52:34,671
pretty sick. Yeah. But

1472
00:52:35,384 --> 00:52:37,216
But I was pleased right away because I

1473
00:52:37,216 --> 00:52:38,331
you're, like, oh, it could have been better.

1474
00:52:38,570 --> 00:52:40,504
Like, you know? Yeah. I think that's the

1475
00:52:40,561 --> 00:52:42,075
thing that's wrong in our brains while we

1476
00:52:42,075 --> 00:52:42,632
keep racing.

1477
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,280
And then next race that, yeah, like, I

1478
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,480
only did the euro rounds.

1479
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:53,614
I think it was Pets. Mh. And Pets,

1480
00:52:53,775 --> 00:52:56,174
the riding style was more like my home,

1481
00:52:56,494 --> 00:52:56,655
like,

1482
00:52:58,494 --> 00:52:58,734
wet,

1483
00:52:59,614 --> 00:52:59,855
like,

1484
00:53:01,069 --> 00:53:03,220
pretty, like deep dirt and stuff like that.

1485
00:53:03,379 --> 00:53:05,052
So that felt like riding at home in

1486
00:53:05,052 --> 00:53:05,371
winter.

1487
00:53:06,327 --> 00:53:06,827
And

1488
00:53:07,602 --> 00:53:09,514
I think after the first day, I was

1489
00:53:09,514 --> 00:53:09,753
18,

1490
00:53:11,202 --> 00:53:12,737
and that was like crazy

1491
00:53:13,192 --> 00:53:15,820
because I was like, full private T

1492
00:53:16,219 --> 00:53:17,015
Racing with friends,

1493
00:53:17,652 --> 00:53:19,028
but I was so sick

1494
00:53:19,897 --> 00:53:21,728
it still gives me goosebumps when I think

1495
00:53:21,728 --> 00:53:24,036
about it because everyone from, like, the German

1496
00:53:24,036 --> 00:53:25,867
crew we had, like it it was like

1497
00:53:25,867 --> 00:53:27,402
a tight crew of friends

1498
00:53:27,794 --> 00:53:30,029
that we raised all the races with. And

1499
00:53:30,029 --> 00:53:32,184
they, like, really stepped up, and they were,

1500
00:53:32,264 --> 00:53:33,940
like, oh, I wash your bike and then

1501
00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:35,377
nice. 1, like,

1502
00:53:36,508 --> 00:53:39,286
a a friend, like, she made dinner, and

1503
00:53:39,286 --> 00:53:41,031
she said, like, are, you relaxed, like, you

1504
00:53:41,031 --> 00:53:42,698
stretch legs and stuff like that. So all

1505
00:53:42,698 --> 00:53:44,364
of a sudden, everyone was like, oh, this

1506
00:53:44,364 --> 00:53:46,934
is big. Yeah. And we can be part

1507
00:53:46,934 --> 00:53:49,175
of it with, like, helping and lifting him

1508
00:53:49,175 --> 00:53:49,914
up, And

1509
00:53:51,655 --> 00:53:53,815
yeah. And that's also, like, when texted me

1510
00:53:53,815 --> 00:53:55,262
that that night. I remember, like,

1511
00:53:56,057 --> 00:53:57,647
stay cool. Just do what you did, Like,

1512
00:53:57,727 --> 00:53:59,635
you did amazing today and you do the

1513
00:53:59,635 --> 00:54:01,066
same time on all good.

1514
00:54:02,433 --> 00:54:05,382
So, yeah. Kept it together. Yeah. And ended

1515
00:54:05,382 --> 00:54:06,099
up top 20,

1516
00:54:06,975 --> 00:54:07,714
second D.

1517
00:54:08,170 --> 00:54:10,640
So that was crazy. And that's where I

1518
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:11,118
knew, like,

1519
00:54:12,804 --> 00:54:15,105
Wow. Like, I'm capable of this. Yeah. This

1520
00:54:15,105 --> 00:54:17,089
doesn't happen by mistake. Yeah. I mean, it

1521
00:54:17,089 --> 00:54:19,074
was only 1 time then. Mh.

1522
00:54:19,724 --> 00:54:22,028
So you think, it's 1 1 whatever. Like,

1523
00:54:22,108 --> 00:54:24,570
you mind there's funny things. Yeah. And then

1524
00:54:24,570 --> 00:54:26,954
next race in Lat, that was just super

1525
00:54:26,954 --> 00:54:28,797
hard for me and my bike was a

1526
00:54:28,797 --> 00:54:29,855
small bike, so

1527
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:31,901
it was hard to just hang on. Yeah.

1528
00:54:32,379 --> 00:54:35,164
And had a 4 maybe, which wasn't bad,

1529
00:54:35,324 --> 00:54:35,824
but

1530
00:54:36,294 --> 00:54:39,798
And, I mean, nowadays, it it'd be pretty

1531
00:54:39,798 --> 00:54:41,094
solid almost, but

1532
00:54:41,471 --> 00:54:43,382
back then, I think if you had a

1533
00:54:43,382 --> 00:54:44,678
solid race, you'd be

1534
00:54:45,309 --> 00:54:45,809
easier

1535
00:54:46,428 --> 00:54:48,506
in the top 20 for short. Red tight.

1536
00:54:48,666 --> 00:54:49,704
But then. Exactly.

1537
00:54:50,504 --> 00:54:53,141
So... And then Ai sir, the next race

1538
00:54:53,141 --> 00:54:53,620
in Spain,

1539
00:54:54,434 --> 00:54:55,893
I actually just entered

1540
00:54:56,272 --> 00:54:58,189
spontaneous because I did so well in pets.

1541
00:54:58,269 --> 00:54:59,467
So I was like, oh, I might as

1542
00:54:59,467 --> 00:55:01,978
well do all the euro. Yeah. And

1543
00:55:03,150 --> 00:55:04,047
I had another

1544
00:55:04,422 --> 00:55:07,128
really good race. On Terrain, I wouldn't favor

1545
00:55:07,128 --> 00:55:08,799
myself, Like, it's so different from home and

1546
00:55:08,799 --> 00:55:09,197
everything.

1547
00:55:10,882 --> 00:55:12,234
And actually ended up sixteenth.

1548
00:55:13,188 --> 00:55:15,413
So that's when I realized, oh, wow, there's

1549
00:55:15,413 --> 00:55:15,810
something here.

1550
00:55:16,605 --> 00:55:18,768
Yeah. It can be 1 of the guys.

1551
00:55:19,008 --> 00:55:21,802
Yeah. And like, I was streaming off maybe

1552
00:55:21,802 --> 00:55:23,637
1 day being in in a top 30

1553
00:55:23,637 --> 00:55:25,633
start group and stuff like that when I

1554
00:55:25,633 --> 00:55:26,910
had my first, like, top 20,

1555
00:55:27,642 --> 00:55:29,472
like, if you're 1 of those guys. And

1556
00:55:29,472 --> 00:55:31,246
all of a sudden I was, like, beating

1557
00:55:32,258 --> 00:55:33,929
half of those guys. Yeah. And I'm like,

1558
00:55:34,088 --> 00:55:34,860
wow. This is

1559
00:55:35,379 --> 00:55:37,936
This is crazy. And yeah. And I guess,

1560
00:55:38,016 --> 00:55:39,374
at that point as well, like, there was

1561
00:55:39,374 --> 00:55:40,893
quite a lot of money moving into the

1562
00:55:40,893 --> 00:55:42,810
sport. It was in its relatively early days.

1563
00:55:43,782 --> 00:55:45,794
End was a growing discipline,

1564
00:55:46,568 --> 00:55:48,796
people were buying in jira bikes at rate.

1565
00:55:49,035 --> 00:55:50,967
So you... I guess you could see that

1566
00:55:51,342 --> 00:55:52,559
potential to actually earn

1567
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:54,389
you know, to make a living from it

1568
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:56,789
Support family. Right? Which was obviously very important

1569
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:58,309
to here. Yeah. And, like,

1570
00:55:58,949 --> 00:56:00,869
thanks to bolts. They were, like, oh, you're

1571
00:56:00,869 --> 00:56:02,069
actually doing well here. And

1572
00:56:02,883 --> 00:56:04,578
I won all the national championships,

1573
00:56:05,991 --> 00:56:08,222
back then too. So that was super important

1574
00:56:08,222 --> 00:56:09,816
to them as a German brand and all

1575
00:56:09,816 --> 00:56:11,824
that. So they offered me to be, like,

1576
00:56:11,984 --> 00:56:13,282
okay. What do you need

1577
00:56:13,978 --> 00:56:14,478
to

1578
00:56:14,855 --> 00:56:17,566
focus on this Yeah. Rather than working jobs

1579
00:56:17,566 --> 00:56:19,342
at home, like in construction

1580
00:56:19,654 --> 00:56:21,730
Like, my dad has a a drilling company,

1581
00:56:22,368 --> 00:56:24,443
and I used to work there. Okay. Flat

1582
00:56:24,443 --> 00:56:26,679
out whole winter to take time off for

1583
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:28,275
racing for summers. Yeah.

1584
00:56:28,928 --> 00:56:31,239
And just jump in on little jobs in

1585
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:31,956
the summer. Yeah.

1586
00:56:32,672 --> 00:56:34,425
Which is cool like, I I love a

1587
00:56:34,425 --> 00:56:36,975
good craft and honest work, you know, with

1588
00:56:36,975 --> 00:56:38,112
my own hands. So

1589
00:56:39,704 --> 00:56:39,864
it's...

1590
00:56:40,505 --> 00:56:42,664
It hasn't come free, you know, freely to

1591
00:56:42,664 --> 00:56:44,505
me to to raise full time, so I

1592
00:56:44,505 --> 00:56:45,784
appreciate it even more I feel like.

1593
00:56:47,799 --> 00:56:50,277
But so that was amazing for me because

1594
00:56:50,277 --> 00:56:51,256
it was, like a

1595
00:56:52,434 --> 00:56:53,653
a natural progress

1596
00:56:54,192 --> 00:56:54,592
From, like,

1597
00:56:55,311 --> 00:56:56,610
the work took off

1598
00:56:57,003 --> 00:56:59,708
and the writing kind of, got more and

1599
00:56:59,708 --> 00:57:01,697
more because I got money for it all

1600
00:57:01,697 --> 00:57:03,447
of a sudden Yeah. And stuff like that.

1601
00:57:03,938 --> 00:57:05,603
But it never felt like he a massive

1602
00:57:05,603 --> 00:57:07,188
deal live up to it. Yeah. You know?

1603
00:57:07,347 --> 00:57:09,566
Yeah. And I think that maybe my head

1604
00:57:09,566 --> 00:57:12,281
wouldn't have been able to. To manage that

1605
00:57:12,281 --> 00:57:14,831
in terms of pressure. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm

1606
00:57:14,991 --> 00:57:17,382
I'm happy for the route I kind of

1607
00:57:17,382 --> 00:57:17,542
took.

1608
00:57:18,259 --> 00:57:18,737
And

1609
00:57:19,136 --> 00:57:20,902
yeah. But writing got more and more intense.

1610
00:57:21,141 --> 00:57:21,937
I had more, like,

1611
00:57:22,891 --> 00:57:25,517
time to spend for training. I got a

1612
00:57:25,517 --> 00:57:27,904
trainer that year to to just structure my

1613
00:57:27,904 --> 00:57:30,304
training because As I said, we we already,

1614
00:57:30,463 --> 00:57:32,132
like, started the family then.

1615
00:57:32,927 --> 00:57:34,302
And it was just

1616
00:57:34,677 --> 00:57:37,459
so hard because I would always question myself

1617
00:57:37,459 --> 00:57:39,223
in terms of Did I do enough this

1618
00:57:39,223 --> 00:57:41,212
week? Yeah. I might go for another ride?

1619
00:57:41,451 --> 00:57:42,882
I might go to the gym And you're

1620
00:57:42,882 --> 00:57:44,632
like, you don't have that structure?

1621
00:57:45,684 --> 00:57:46,184
And

1622
00:57:46,723 --> 00:57:49,040
my wife was going crazy because you're like,

1623
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,197
well, we wanted to do something today, but

1624
00:57:51,197 --> 00:57:51,697
then

1625
00:57:52,396 --> 00:57:54,167
I feel like I missed training,

1626
00:57:54,965 --> 00:57:56,799
and I need to do another session, and

1627
00:57:56,799 --> 00:57:59,134
then she couldn't plan anything for us. And

1628
00:58:00,069 --> 00:58:02,244
so was good to to add a trainer

1629
00:58:02,303 --> 00:58:04,467
to the team. I guess you... When you're

1630
00:58:04,467 --> 00:58:05,660
short of time like that with a family,

1631
00:58:05,898 --> 00:58:08,283
you want to know that every hour you

1632
00:58:08,283 --> 00:58:10,270
spend training is you're doing the right thing.

1633
00:58:10,429 --> 00:58:11,859
Like you're getting the most value out of

1634
00:58:11,859 --> 00:58:12,257
that hour.

1635
00:58:13,067 --> 00:58:14,977
Spend some money with someone to help you

1636
00:58:14,977 --> 00:58:17,047
do that. Must have been, like, so valuable

1637
00:58:17,047 --> 00:58:18,422
to you. Yeah. And

1638
00:58:19,036 --> 00:58:21,822
I think the biggest benefit almost was to

1639
00:58:21,822 --> 00:58:22,322
know

1640
00:58:23,434 --> 00:58:25,351
when there's like an off day. It's actually

1641
00:58:25,351 --> 00:58:26,790
an off day. And it's therefore for a

1642
00:58:26,790 --> 00:58:28,628
reason. You know, like, you can relax. Yeah.

1643
00:58:28,868 --> 00:58:31,185
And you're not questioning yourself, the whole off

1644
00:58:31,185 --> 00:58:31,639
day

1645
00:58:32,078 --> 00:58:34,630
Should Actually go for a cheeky 1 tonight.

1646
00:58:35,029 --> 00:58:37,262
Yeah. The cheeky ride in the ar or

1647
00:58:37,262 --> 00:58:39,496
a quick gym session or something, but it's

1648
00:58:39,496 --> 00:58:42,542
like, okay. Here's the plan. That's the structure,

1649
00:58:43,101 --> 00:58:45,095
stick to it. Yeah. And you've done everything

1650
00:58:45,095 --> 00:58:45,255
right.

1651
00:58:46,372 --> 00:58:48,946
So that helped massively to schedule life

1652
00:58:49,495 --> 00:58:52,269
but also to relax my head. Mh. Because

1653
00:58:52,269 --> 00:58:54,251
the last thing you wanna have as a

1654
00:58:54,251 --> 00:58:55,915
races being on a start line.

1655
00:58:56,802 --> 00:58:57,620
And questioning

1656
00:58:58,469 --> 00:59:00,692
the whole program leading up to this. Yeah.

1657
00:59:00,931 --> 00:59:03,312
You wanna be there. I'm ready. Yeah. Yeah.

1658
00:59:03,630 --> 00:59:05,235
I've done everything. You come from a big

1659
00:59:05,235 --> 00:59:07,487
family and and often that leads to people

1660
00:59:07,623 --> 00:59:09,215
creating their own big family. Yeah. She's is

1661
00:59:09,215 --> 00:59:10,728
kind of the route that that you've got

1662
00:59:10,728 --> 00:59:13,451
families obviously very important to you. 4 4

1663
00:59:13,451 --> 00:59:16,000
children now. Yeah. Alright? Fairly recently, the fourth

1664
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,311
edition. Yeah. The smallest 1 is only, like,

1665
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:21,019
close to 4 months. Okay. Amazing. And how

1666
00:59:21,019 --> 00:59:21,736
old the youngest.

1667
00:59:22,468 --> 00:59:24,699
Yeah. The like, the this 1 month. Yeah.

1668
00:59:24,938 --> 00:59:25,177
And

1669
00:59:25,815 --> 00:59:28,603
our oldest 1 is 7 and a month

1670
00:59:28,683 --> 00:59:30,617
Now. Okay. So you've been a father for

1671
00:59:30,675 --> 00:59:32,840
a a good while. Yeah. How...

1672
00:59:33,317 --> 00:59:35,384
I mean, I have 1 child. She's 4,

1673
00:59:35,781 --> 00:59:37,451
and I know how much work that creates.

1674
00:59:38,404 --> 00:59:39,517
I mean, it's a lot of fun, but

1675
00:59:39,517 --> 00:59:41,107
it's also it's very busy.

1676
00:59:42,235 --> 00:59:44,224
How do you manage to race at the

1677
00:59:44,224 --> 00:59:45,202
level you're racing

1678
00:59:45,974 --> 00:59:47,565
and have fought children and a your wife

1679
00:59:47,565 --> 00:59:50,206
must be amazing. Full stop. But so I'm

1680
00:59:50,286 --> 00:59:52,434
I'm sure, like, props to her. But, yeah.

1681
00:59:52,594 --> 00:59:54,026
How do you fit it together? How do

1682
00:59:54,026 --> 00:59:56,197
you balance everything, keep everyone

1683
00:59:56,668 --> 00:59:58,343
including yourself happy right. So you don't wanna

1684
00:59:58,343 --> 01:00:00,337
feel like you're letting your children down and

1685
01:00:00,337 --> 01:00:01,214
all that sort. Yeah.

1686
01:00:02,171 --> 01:00:03,367
Yeah. I mean, you said it,

1687
01:00:04,643 --> 01:00:05,521
my wife's amazing.

1688
01:00:06,727 --> 01:00:06,885
Stop.

1689
01:00:07,758 --> 01:00:08,869
That's the that's the answer.

1690
01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:11,408
No. But other than that, I don't know.

1691
01:00:11,646 --> 01:00:13,471
Okay. I don't know how how how I

1692
01:00:13,471 --> 01:00:15,235
do it. Like, I'd I just do.

1693
01:00:17,067 --> 01:00:19,218
I just try my best in both worlds.

1694
01:00:19,457 --> 01:00:20,117
And that's

1695
01:00:20,652 --> 01:00:22,086
that's how it feels most of the time

1696
01:00:22,086 --> 01:00:24,487
you'd like trying to dance on 2 parties.

1697
01:00:24,725 --> 01:00:27,050
Yeah. And because you're always kind of

1698
01:00:27,502 --> 01:00:29,088
you're in 1 world and you miss out

1699
01:00:29,088 --> 01:00:29,723
on the other 1.

1700
01:00:30,849 --> 01:00:32,605
And it's like both ways like that. Yeah

1701
01:00:32,684 --> 01:00:35,237
Yeah. So it's it's definitely a big challenge

1702
01:00:35,237 --> 01:00:37,551
to balance all that. And you obviously, like,

1703
01:00:38,443 --> 01:00:40,610
I I love my family more than anything

1704
01:00:40,666 --> 01:00:42,572
in the world, my wife in the first

1705
01:00:42,572 --> 01:00:44,105
place and and the kids, but

1706
01:00:45,035 --> 01:00:46,329
you always feel like

1707
01:00:46,639 --> 01:00:48,315
right now, you almost, like, let them down,

1708
01:00:48,475 --> 01:00:50,710
you know? Because you're not there. Mh. And

1709
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:52,785
stuff like that. Like, you feel responsible for

1710
01:00:52,785 --> 01:00:54,860
stuff, and then sometimes you... You have rough

1711
01:00:54,860 --> 01:00:55,315
days

1712
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:58,135
at home when I'm away. Like, usually, stuff

1713
01:00:58,135 --> 01:01:00,359
goes wrong. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like, 1

1714
01:01:00,359 --> 01:01:01,812
of the kids would get sick

1715
01:01:02,186 --> 01:01:03,616
straight away when I leave the house, like,

1716
01:01:04,028 --> 01:01:04,347
whack.

1717
01:01:05,222 --> 01:01:05,460
And,

1718
01:01:06,255 --> 01:01:07,869
maybe it just highlights more

1719
01:01:08,244 --> 01:01:10,233
because you go and you you realize it

1720
01:01:10,233 --> 01:01:10,844
more. But

1721
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:15,008
so it's it's definitely not easy to balance

1722
01:01:15,008 --> 01:01:16,911
that, but, yeah, I mean,

1723
01:01:17,704 --> 01:01:20,101
hands down, my wife is doing an amazing

1724
01:01:20,101 --> 01:01:20,998
job. And

1725
01:01:21,849 --> 01:01:24,312
we also, like, that's super important to me

1726
01:01:24,312 --> 01:01:27,214
that we take this decision off keep racing

1727
01:01:27,593 --> 01:01:29,831
together. Mh. It's not only my decision. Like,

1728
01:01:30,151 --> 01:01:32,249
I don't wanna chase my dream

1729
01:01:33,827 --> 01:01:35,265
and pay the price of, like,

1730
01:01:37,038 --> 01:01:39,116
I don't know, like, damage my family Damage

1731
01:01:39,116 --> 01:01:39,595
my wife,

1732
01:01:40,554 --> 01:01:42,391
health, mentally and and physically.

1733
01:01:44,084 --> 01:01:46,742
So, it's always a team decision for us

1734
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,059
to keep doing this, and

1735
01:01:50,397 --> 01:01:51,995
I would really like, leave it up to

1736
01:01:51,995 --> 01:01:53,919
her say, like, it's it's enough now. Like,

1737
01:01:54,078 --> 01:01:56,620
okay. We can't do this anymore. But we

1738
01:01:56,620 --> 01:01:59,163
we got amazing family at home. We got

1739
01:01:59,163 --> 01:02:01,884
amazing friends who really step up especially when

1740
01:02:01,963 --> 01:02:03,802
I'm away, like, we try to schedule things

1741
01:02:03,802 --> 01:02:04,861
a little bit. So

1742
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,037
so my wife has some support at home,

1743
01:02:08,197 --> 01:02:08,916
like, good friends,

1744
01:02:09,556 --> 01:02:11,825
who help us. And and that's

1745
01:02:12,593 --> 01:02:14,653
you... Like, you say it takes a village.

1746
01:02:15,129 --> 01:02:16,239
It really does. Yeah.

1747
01:02:17,586 --> 01:02:20,067
And I'm It's amazing. Like, that's such a

1748
01:02:20,067 --> 01:02:23,652
beautiful thing that we are blessed to to

1749
01:02:23,652 --> 01:02:23,970
experience,

1750
01:02:25,404 --> 01:02:27,889
to see how people step up and like,

1751
01:02:28,049 --> 01:02:30,766
it motivates us to help people again in

1752
01:02:30,766 --> 01:02:32,045
in a different way maybe.

1753
01:02:33,883 --> 01:02:36,121
And, like, though... That whole thing that happens

1754
01:02:36,121 --> 01:02:36,760
behind the scenes.

1755
01:02:37,574 --> 01:02:38,315
Is sometimes

1756
01:02:39,255 --> 01:02:42,454
such a bigger story than me just racing

1757
01:02:42,454 --> 01:02:44,135
my bike down a hill somewhere. Yeah. I

1758
01:02:44,135 --> 01:02:44,855
always say it's like,

1759
01:02:45,815 --> 01:02:46,875
I'm just a clown

1760
01:02:47,508 --> 01:02:48,168
on the,

1761
01:02:48,783 --> 01:02:50,775
like, on the bicycle, you know? Yeah. The

1762
01:02:50,775 --> 01:02:52,927
whole show is run by by other people.

1763
01:02:53,087 --> 01:02:54,862
Yeah. There's a lot of people behind

1764
01:02:55,253 --> 01:02:56,919
you being here doing what you do. That's

1765
01:02:56,919 --> 01:02:58,665
the team, obviously. Yeah. But then there's your

1766
01:02:58,665 --> 01:03:00,490
team at home, which. Is not just your

1767
01:03:00,490 --> 01:03:02,236
wife and your kids. It's family. Its friends

1768
01:03:02,236 --> 01:03:03,268
it's everyone that supports that.

1769
01:03:03,998 --> 01:03:05,354
Does that come with a pressure though when

1770
01:03:05,354 --> 01:03:06,471
you're at the top of the hill? Like,

1771
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:09,262
do you want a result to prove that

1772
01:03:09,262 --> 01:03:12,315
it was worth? Yeah. Everyone making those sacrifices,

1773
01:03:12,692 --> 01:03:15,410
including yourself? Yeah. That thought is definitely present.

1774
01:03:15,648 --> 01:03:15,728
Yeah.

1775
01:03:16,838 --> 01:03:19,298
Sometimes. But I know I shouldn't give into

1776
01:03:19,298 --> 01:03:22,076
that because it doesn't help. Yeah. Again, like,

1777
01:03:22,488 --> 01:03:25,428
I I see my head as, like, as

1778
01:03:25,428 --> 01:03:27,200
a computer basically because

1779
01:03:27,733 --> 01:03:29,425
you want to have hundred percent

1780
01:03:30,133 --> 01:03:30,873
of the

1781
01:03:31,967 --> 01:03:33,425
like, work processor

1782
01:03:34,201 --> 01:03:36,992
being assess for your ride that happens now.

1783
01:03:37,311 --> 01:03:39,440
And when you start giving away little chips

1784
01:03:39,718 --> 01:03:40,195
for, like,

1785
01:03:40,911 --> 01:03:42,661
what do the others do? Yeah. Which was

1786
01:03:42,661 --> 01:03:44,889
the bigger thing back in the days? Or,

1787
01:03:44,969 --> 01:03:47,850
like, oh, should, like, deliver here I should

1788
01:03:47,850 --> 01:03:49,364
make it worth it and stuff like that.

1789
01:03:49,523 --> 01:03:51,298
You you give away capacity

1790
01:03:52,152 --> 01:03:52,652
from

1791
01:03:53,427 --> 01:03:55,260
what you need for your writing. So I

1792
01:03:55,260 --> 01:03:57,349
tried to not give in to that too

1793
01:03:57,349 --> 01:04:00,066
much, but it can drive you sometimes. It

1794
01:04:00,066 --> 01:04:01,425
definitely keeps me going, like,

1795
01:04:02,703 --> 01:04:04,941
I mean, last race and Leo gang,

1796
01:04:05,740 --> 01:04:06,240
Had

1797
01:04:06,553 --> 01:04:08,864
just a stupid crash up top on stage

1798
01:04:08,864 --> 01:04:10,536
1, and then I fell down the mountain,

1799
01:04:11,254 --> 01:04:13,644
a couple of meters further down and that's

1800
01:04:13,644 --> 01:04:14,998
like where you give up,

1801
01:04:16,129 --> 01:04:17,885
but then I'm, like, no, I can't quit.

1802
01:04:18,364 --> 01:04:18,604
Like,

1803
01:04:19,722 --> 01:04:21,637
I I literally thought of my kids at

1804
01:04:21,637 --> 01:04:23,793
that moment. I was like, no. I I

1805
01:04:23,793 --> 01:04:24,372
don't wanna

1806
01:04:25,803 --> 01:04:27,977
I don't know they probably don't even care

1807
01:04:28,115 --> 01:04:30,746
right now, And... Maybe they wouldn't ever find

1808
01:04:30,746 --> 01:04:31,246
out

1809
01:04:31,623 --> 01:04:33,378
what result are did that race, but it

1810
01:04:33,378 --> 01:04:35,226
kinda gave me that feeling in the moment.

1811
01:04:35,385 --> 01:04:37,935
I was like, no. We're not quitting. Like,

1812
01:04:38,492 --> 01:04:40,564
that's mama, mama ain't race no quit So...

1813
01:04:40,803 --> 01:04:41,202
Yeah. Yeah.

1814
01:04:41,932 --> 01:04:43,837
That way. So I just kept going and

1815
01:04:43,837 --> 01:04:44,631
kept grinding and,

1816
01:04:46,853 --> 01:04:48,599
again, it comes down to values.

1817
01:04:50,203 --> 01:04:52,269
That you pass on. Mh. And that's for

1818
01:04:52,269 --> 01:04:54,676
me, like, my instrument is the sport

1819
01:04:55,289 --> 01:04:58,204
to develop those values. Yeah. Maybe, and and

1820
01:04:58,483 --> 01:04:59,280
show them. Yeah.

1821
01:05:00,076 --> 01:05:00,576
And

1822
01:05:01,429 --> 01:05:03,340
that's also funny because people ask me, like,

1823
01:05:03,818 --> 01:05:05,888
are kids racing yet, are the kids writing

1824
01:05:05,888 --> 01:05:07,897
them I'm like, I don't know if they

1825
01:05:07,897 --> 01:05:10,770
ever will. I don't care. Like, what I

1826
01:05:10,770 --> 01:05:12,228
wanna care about is

1827
01:05:13,324 --> 01:05:15,421
what values. Yeah. They

1828
01:05:15,734 --> 01:05:16,213
hopefully,

1829
01:05:17,888 --> 01:05:20,202
get passed on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The values

1830
01:05:20,202 --> 01:05:22,276
to transfer across wherever they do. Right? Whether

1831
01:05:22,276 --> 01:05:24,599
it's sitting in an office doing something 9

1832
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:26,508
to 5, whether it's racing bikes, whether it's

1833
01:05:26,508 --> 01:05:29,054
doing something else in sport. We, super important.

1834
01:05:29,943 --> 01:05:31,456
Does it help motivate you in training as

1835
01:05:31,456 --> 01:05:32,810
well, I guess? Like if you've got dig

1836
01:05:32,810 --> 01:05:35,438
in deep on a session, like, you're probably

1837
01:05:35,438 --> 01:05:37,269
gonna go harder because you're like, well. This

1838
01:05:37,269 --> 01:05:38,799
is an hour. I'm not with my kids

1839
01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:40,317
so I gotta make this worth it. Yeah.

1840
01:05:40,637 --> 01:05:42,795
I'll definitely get more efficient. Yeah. That's for

1841
01:05:42,795 --> 01:05:42,954
sure.

1842
01:05:44,313 --> 01:05:46,870
Because, I mean, life's busy at home. Yeah.

1843
01:05:47,523 --> 01:05:48,901
Super busy, and

1844
01:05:49,916 --> 01:05:52,309
it's it's kinda hard to structure everything. And

1845
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:53,984
the biggest thing I'm liking in his bike

1846
01:05:53,984 --> 01:05:56,297
time, obviously because I don't get away from

1847
01:05:56,297 --> 01:05:56,456
home.

1848
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:59,445
As much. And I feel like that's where

1849
01:05:59,664 --> 01:06:01,979
I'll lose the most at the moment, Okay.

1850
01:06:02,378 --> 01:06:03,974
Especially this year has been super busy.

1851
01:06:05,411 --> 01:06:05,911
But

1852
01:06:06,623 --> 01:06:08,298
for, like, the training side of things and

1853
01:06:08,298 --> 01:06:10,213
what I do at home. I'm like, yeah.

1854
01:06:10,452 --> 01:06:13,164
You, like, you wake up, get too ready

1855
01:06:13,164 --> 01:06:15,317
for school. Okay? He's gone. And then you're,

1856
01:06:15,397 --> 01:06:17,485
like, get the next to Kindergarten and you,

1857
01:06:17,565 --> 01:06:18,920
like, arrange some stuff and then I it's

1858
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:20,514
like, okay. This is my time window now,

1859
01:06:20,674 --> 01:06:23,385
Gym time. Yeah. And you don't hang around.

1860
01:06:23,703 --> 01:06:23,863
Like,

1861
01:06:25,074 --> 01:06:27,074
you go there and you do work, and

1862
01:06:27,074 --> 01:06:29,554
it's it's good like, it it definitely helps

1863
01:06:29,554 --> 01:06:31,394
me. And I feel like I was useless

1864
01:06:31,394 --> 01:06:33,014
when I had no kids because

1865
01:06:33,806 --> 01:06:34,465
I just

1866
01:06:35,235 --> 01:06:37,538
wasted my time. Play in the mirror. Yeah.

1867
01:06:37,776 --> 01:06:38,967
Taking photos for Instagram.

1868
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,054
Yeah. We're just like

1869
01:06:41,605 --> 01:06:44,085
cruising in so much. Yeah. And it's it's

1870
01:06:44,085 --> 01:06:46,324
funny how on the team, like, Jake is

1871
01:06:46,324 --> 01:06:48,505
pretty structured and he, like, he doesn't waste

1872
01:06:48,565 --> 01:06:48,724
time.

1873
01:06:49,456 --> 01:06:52,554
And I'm like Lord Faith had. Sometimes on

1874
01:06:52,554 --> 01:06:54,380
on the show, you know? You gotta... Have

1875
01:06:54,380 --> 01:06:55,810
some funny characters. Yeah. Yeah.

1876
01:06:56,604 --> 01:06:57,160
I'll take that.

1877
01:06:58,844 --> 01:07:00,519
But actually, what, like when we speak, is,

1878
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:02,194
like, how do you do it at home?

1879
01:07:02,593 --> 01:07:04,050
I'm like, yeah. Maybe I'm

1880
01:07:04,587 --> 01:07:06,501
relaxing and chilling that much here when we

1881
01:07:06,501 --> 01:07:07,161
are traveling

1882
01:07:08,016 --> 01:07:08,516
because

1883
01:07:08,987 --> 01:07:10,818
at home it's like full on. So this

1884
01:07:10,818 --> 01:07:11,318
is

1885
01:07:12,011 --> 01:07:14,501
almost like an off time. Yeah. Even though,

1886
01:07:14,717 --> 01:07:16,547
like, yesterday, Thursday here in Morphine, you know,

1887
01:07:16,706 --> 01:07:18,868
just, like pump laps whole day because I

1888
01:07:18,868 --> 01:07:20,933
was, like, this is my chance, like, to

1889
01:07:20,933 --> 01:07:23,474
ride a bike. Yeah, definitely. And I think

1890
01:07:23,474 --> 01:07:25,778
people... We... I've had this conversation with my

1891
01:07:25,778 --> 01:07:27,700
wife what did we do with our time

1892
01:07:27,700 --> 01:07:29,688
before we had kids. Like you don't... Until

1893
01:07:29,688 --> 01:07:32,470
you... Until it's scarce. Yeah. You don't make

1894
01:07:32,470 --> 01:07:34,139
the most of it. I don't think. So

1895
01:07:34,139 --> 01:07:36,061
in a way, it's kinda cool because I

1896
01:07:36,061 --> 01:07:37,725
can transfer that. I don't know if you

1897
01:07:37,725 --> 01:07:39,334
feel the same, but like, I can transfer

1898
01:07:39,389 --> 01:07:39,889
that

1899
01:07:40,498 --> 01:07:42,558
structure and that business ness into other parts

1900
01:07:42,558 --> 01:07:44,008
of my as well, and I just get

1901
01:07:44,008 --> 01:07:46,027
more done in general than I ever did

1902
01:07:46,326 --> 01:07:49,443
pre kids, I think. Yeah. Absolutely. So we

1903
01:07:49,443 --> 01:07:51,201
should talk a bit about Y tea. Right?

1904
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,131
Because that's been the latest chapter of your

1905
01:07:53,131 --> 01:07:54,723
life. I think you had a a good

1906
01:07:54,723 --> 01:07:56,634
friend who's been working for W for a

1907
01:07:56,634 --> 01:07:58,306
while, was that the initial link in. And

1908
01:07:58,465 --> 01:07:59,898
Tell a bit about how the White gig

1909
01:07:59,898 --> 01:08:01,607
came over. Yeah. It kinda

1910
01:08:01,982 --> 01:08:04,447
started a long while ago when as you

1911
01:08:04,447 --> 01:08:05,720
mentioned, Eric Image.

1912
01:08:07,884 --> 01:08:09,402
German Steve Peed as they call him.

1913
01:08:11,321 --> 01:08:11,981
He's been

1914
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:12,860
since

1915
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:15,956
day 1 with White tea as a development

1916
01:08:15,956 --> 01:08:19,809
rider, and and both and eraser. Yeah. And

1917
01:08:19,809 --> 01:08:21,809
we've been good friends for years because I

1918
01:08:21,809 --> 01:08:23,590
met him through raising national

1919
01:08:23,969 --> 01:08:25,349
donald cups for sure

1920
01:08:25,744 --> 01:08:27,897
And so we've been always, like, riding together,

1921
01:08:28,056 --> 01:08:30,130
training together when it was possible.

1922
01:08:30,927 --> 01:08:31,427
And

1923
01:08:32,681 --> 01:08:34,856
when I started racing and doing all that

1924
01:08:35,168 --> 01:08:37,395
and I had that long term relationship with

1925
01:08:37,395 --> 01:08:37,713
balls.

1926
01:08:38,987 --> 01:08:40,816
And I would hang out at his every

1927
01:08:40,816 --> 01:08:42,978
now and then to, like, go ride because

1928
01:08:42,978 --> 01:08:45,204
he has good riding around and and good

1929
01:08:45,204 --> 01:08:46,578
bike park and stuff. So

1930
01:08:47,748 --> 01:08:49,895
we just hung out and joke and he'd

1931
01:08:49,895 --> 01:08:50,213
be like,

1932
01:08:52,217 --> 01:08:54,605
like it'd be sick to do some stuff

1933
01:08:54,605 --> 01:08:56,675
for Y and and whatnot none I can't.

1934
01:08:56,913 --> 01:08:58,426
Let's, like, it'd be so sick to be

1935
01:08:58,426 --> 01:09:00,272
on a team together 1 day. And he'd

1936
01:09:00,272 --> 01:09:02,817
be like, what really? Like, you wouldn't go

1937
01:09:02,817 --> 01:09:04,407
away from bolts would you. And I'm like,

1938
01:09:04,645 --> 01:09:06,952
well, if the circumstances are are right and

1939
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:09,417
Yeah. It fits and with family and everything.

1940
01:09:10,388 --> 01:09:10,787
Why not?

1941
01:09:11,506 --> 01:09:12,245
And then,

1942
01:09:12,623 --> 01:09:15,177
like, that kind of started a little fire,

1943
01:09:16,055 --> 01:09:18,051
but y t at the time was, like,

1944
01:09:18,131 --> 01:09:20,078
well, with we don't wanna sign

1945
01:09:20,451 --> 01:09:22,118
just the 1 man show. Mh. If we

1946
01:09:22,118 --> 01:09:23,467
want... If we do in neuro, we wanna

1947
01:09:23,467 --> 01:09:24,182
do it properly.

1948
01:09:25,770 --> 01:09:26,270
So

1949
01:09:26,578 --> 01:09:28,480
that kind of like, turned it down at

1950
01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:30,858
the time. Yeah. And I think it took,

1951
01:09:31,016 --> 01:09:32,840
like, 2 years or what whatever.

1952
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:36,533
Till Y really

1953
01:09:37,147 --> 01:09:39,694
started that whole new mop program,

1954
01:09:40,409 --> 01:09:43,528
and that's when they approached me directly and

1955
01:09:43,528 --> 01:09:45,197
they were like, well, we actually...

1956
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:47,819
We're ready now. Like, we wanna start a

1957
01:09:47,819 --> 01:09:50,282
program and and we feel like you're you're

1958
01:09:50,282 --> 01:09:52,627
fit for the program and everything. So

1959
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,583
that's when when talks started happening. And... But,

1960
01:09:56,743 --> 01:09:58,278
yeah, the initial thing

1961
01:09:58,906 --> 01:10:02,025
got get started by by, my body, so

1962
01:10:02,319 --> 01:10:03,826
I'm I'm very grateful for that.

1963
01:10:04,541 --> 01:10:05,041
And

1964
01:10:06,144 --> 01:10:07,661
Yeah. Ever since, like,

1965
01:10:08,379 --> 01:10:08,858
last year,

1966
01:10:09,577 --> 01:10:11,812
part of them mop and and super happy

1967
01:10:11,812 --> 01:10:13,408
about it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm guessing it was

1968
01:10:13,408 --> 01:10:14,606
a no brainer to say yes.

1969
01:10:15,578 --> 01:10:17,802
Yeah. I mean, I was, like, I had

1970
01:10:17,802 --> 01:10:19,948
a nice spot where it was. Mh. In

1971
01:10:19,948 --> 01:10:22,037
the past and was rather secure

1972
01:10:22,491 --> 01:10:23,445
in in terms of...

1973
01:10:25,134 --> 01:10:26,193
Like, family

1974
01:10:26,572 --> 01:10:29,229
providing and and all that stuff. So it's

1975
01:10:29,288 --> 01:10:32,025
it's nothing that you just throw away for

1976
01:10:32,259 --> 01:10:34,811
a a nicer bike or like, a nicer

1977
01:10:34,811 --> 01:10:37,066
team or whatever. You, like, the whole

1978
01:10:37,603 --> 01:10:40,315
frame needs to be fitting. Yeah. In my

1979
01:10:40,315 --> 01:10:41,851
position. I'm not just a

1980
01:10:43,042 --> 01:10:45,434
a freestyle guy that like, lives for himself

1981
01:10:45,434 --> 01:10:47,667
in the van or, you know, like, there's

1982
01:10:47,667 --> 01:10:49,740
more on the line that that needs to

1983
01:10:49,740 --> 01:10:50,458
be done. So,

1984
01:10:52,145 --> 01:10:55,323
but I communicated that when we started talking

1985
01:10:55,323 --> 01:10:55,823
and

1986
01:10:56,197 --> 01:10:57,175
and they were

1987
01:10:57,548 --> 01:11:00,011
aware that they don't sign just me.

1988
01:11:00,662 --> 01:11:02,966
But they sign a family. Yeah. And that's

1989
01:11:02,966 --> 01:11:05,348
something that's really important to me and and

1990
01:11:05,348 --> 01:11:06,721
it's really special and

1991
01:11:07,175 --> 01:11:09,160
that I feel honest the brand of White

1992
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:09,319
tea.

1993
01:11:10,129 --> 01:11:12,917
That they really support individuals. Mh. It's not

1994
01:11:12,917 --> 01:11:15,726
just they picked me as an athlete because

1995
01:11:15,944 --> 01:11:18,174
I might provide good points for an overall

1996
01:11:18,174 --> 01:11:20,335
for the T or. I'm a good development

1997
01:11:20,335 --> 01:11:21,128
rider or whatnot,

1998
01:11:21,843 --> 01:11:22,819
but they really

1999
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:26,923
see individual persons, and they wanna highlight stories.

2000
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:27,740
So

2001
01:11:28,606 --> 01:11:31,072
And I asked that questions straight away. That's

2002
01:11:31,072 --> 01:11:33,299
pretty deep inside, but I asked the athlete

2003
01:11:33,299 --> 01:11:34,912
manager. Like, why are you

2004
01:11:35,543 --> 01:11:37,616
signing a guy like me. Like, I'm... In

2005
01:11:37,616 --> 01:11:40,009
my thirties, I'm a multi time not champ,

2006
01:11:40,247 --> 01:11:42,719
but dad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that's

2007
01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:44,017
all stuff that doesn't

2008
01:11:45,681 --> 01:11:47,750
win on a on a card. Yeah. Yeah.

2009
01:11:47,829 --> 01:11:50,716
In terms of top trump's. Yeah. Exactly. And

2010
01:11:51,981 --> 01:11:53,891
but he was like, well, you bring stability

2011
01:11:53,891 --> 01:11:54,448
to the team.

2012
01:11:55,164 --> 01:11:55,664
And

2013
01:11:56,199 --> 01:11:57,791
and that in that moment,

2014
01:11:58,427 --> 01:12:00,258
it became a no brainer. Yeah. Because I

2015
01:12:00,258 --> 01:12:00,497
was like,

2016
01:12:01,625 --> 01:12:04,190
sick. Like, they actually highlighted values

2017
01:12:04,882 --> 01:12:06,018
and stuff that's

2018
01:12:06,551 --> 01:12:09,507
not highlighted often enough Yeah. On the circuit.

2019
01:12:09,667 --> 01:12:11,177
I feel like. Definitely. And I do... I

2020
01:12:11,257 --> 01:12:12,450
I spent a bit of time with White.

2021
01:12:12,689 --> 01:12:14,518
I've been lucky enough to go to headquarters

2022
01:12:14,518 --> 01:12:15,552
and spend a bit of time with the

2023
01:12:15,791 --> 01:12:17,555
Uk team as well. And There is, like,

2024
01:12:17,795 --> 01:12:19,068
you know, they you have the slogan and

2025
01:12:19,068 --> 01:12:21,057
good vibes, but they do live that. And

2026
01:12:21,057 --> 01:12:22,171
it was... There also is a bit of

2027
01:12:22,171 --> 01:12:23,604
a family feel it, I would say. Like,

2028
01:12:24,001 --> 01:12:25,354
everyone seems to get on really well in

2029
01:12:25,354 --> 01:12:25,911
the company,

2030
01:12:26,403 --> 01:12:28,226
There's a lot of banter and, like, everyone

2031
01:12:28,226 --> 01:12:29,971
feels pretty tight. Yeah. Does it feel like

2032
01:12:29,971 --> 01:12:31,557
that on the team. I get the impression?

2033
01:12:31,716 --> 01:12:34,509
It's like that. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Both as

2034
01:12:34,509 --> 01:12:36,507
you say in the company, and with a

2035
01:12:36,507 --> 01:12:38,505
team, I'm only 2 and a half hours

2036
01:12:38,505 --> 01:12:39,783
away from Hq. So,

2037
01:12:40,822 --> 01:12:42,840
that's pretty cool for me too because I

2038
01:12:43,154 --> 01:12:45,871
can actually be there. Mh. Sometimes to have

2039
01:12:45,871 --> 01:12:48,587
meetings with R and d guys. Yeah. Where

2040
01:12:48,587 --> 01:12:50,755
we'll, also have partly a job,

2041
01:12:51,865 --> 01:12:54,009
and stuff like that. And it straight away,

2042
01:12:54,167 --> 01:12:55,198
it's... It felt, like,

2043
01:12:55,913 --> 01:12:57,421
I'm part of a family. Like, so many

2044
01:12:57,421 --> 01:12:58,635
people were stoked to

2045
01:12:59,103 --> 01:13:00,216
to have me in the company.

2046
01:13:00,932 --> 01:13:03,476
I was actually surprised like, overwhelmed by that

2047
01:13:03,476 --> 01:13:03,716
because,

2048
01:13:04,430 --> 01:13:05,783
I didn't see that coming. I was, like,

2049
01:13:06,340 --> 01:13:08,089
most people would probably not even know me.

2050
01:13:09,138 --> 01:13:09,638
Because

2051
01:13:10,255 --> 01:13:13,206
former sponsors, it was, like massive ship. And

2052
01:13:13,206 --> 01:13:15,120
all this the whole thing and some people

2053
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:16,657
wouldn't even knew what you're doing

2054
01:13:17,433 --> 01:13:18,470
Yeah. When you talk to them.

2055
01:13:19,125 --> 01:13:20,882
It's pretty small head. I think people realize

2056
01:13:20,882 --> 01:13:23,200
how few people they're are Involved really. Think

2057
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,458
it's not a massive company. And you feel

2058
01:13:25,677 --> 01:13:27,916
the passion everyone brings. Yeah. It's like,

2059
01:13:29,128 --> 01:13:31,203
I don't think there's anyone who just needed

2060
01:13:31,203 --> 01:13:32,320
a job. You know,

2061
01:13:33,197 --> 01:13:35,271
everyone's there because they love what they do,

2062
01:13:35,431 --> 01:13:37,829
and they they're passionate for it. And you

2063
01:13:37,829 --> 01:13:40,130
feel that whole vibe within the company. So

2064
01:13:40,130 --> 01:13:42,270
that's amazing and I really enjoy that.

2065
01:13:42,984 --> 01:13:46,029
And that obviously passes on to the team,

2066
01:13:46,189 --> 01:13:49,069
and that's a core identity. Yeah. To the

2067
01:13:49,069 --> 01:13:50,130
team because

2068
01:13:50,590 --> 01:13:52,849
the company essentially or, like, the brand

2069
01:13:53,163 --> 01:13:55,238
wants that within a team. Yeah. It's not

2070
01:13:55,238 --> 01:13:57,390
just about results and performance. Like,

2071
01:13:58,347 --> 01:14:00,900
athletes worry about that enough themselves.

2072
01:14:01,618 --> 01:14:03,788
Like you don't need a add pressure to

2073
01:14:03,788 --> 01:14:07,064
that, but it's about, really have good times.

2074
01:14:07,304 --> 01:14:08,502
It sounds a bit bashed,

2075
01:14:09,141 --> 01:14:11,706
but it is. Like, it it really is

2076
01:14:11,706 --> 01:14:15,062
about having good times and and transport that

2077
01:14:15,197 --> 01:14:16,229
to people.

2078
01:14:16,783 --> 01:14:19,523
Yeah. Definitely. And you're on a team with

2079
01:14:19,738 --> 01:14:22,043
a good crew, so Casper William and Jack

2080
01:14:22,202 --> 01:14:24,348
Moore Yeah. And yourself on the interior squad.

2081
01:14:25,064 --> 01:14:27,185
And, I mean, Jack is arguably the most

2082
01:14:27,304 --> 01:14:29,139
famous interior rider on the planet at the

2083
01:14:29,139 --> 01:14:30,973
moment. I would say, like Mo mo Tv

2084
01:14:30,973 --> 01:14:31,473
has

2085
01:14:32,090 --> 01:14:34,163
taken a an already well of character and

2086
01:14:34,163 --> 01:14:36,158
kind of elevated him in in the fan

2087
01:14:36,158 --> 01:14:38,484
eyes. I think. And obviously, you featured heavily

2088
01:14:38,484 --> 01:14:40,635
on that over the last couple seasons I

2089
01:14:40,635 --> 01:14:42,945
was, Chris. I was about to say Triple

2090
01:14:42,945 --> 01:14:43,662
x l Chris,

2091
01:14:44,459 --> 01:14:44,937
recently,

2092
01:14:45,814 --> 01:14:46,371
your name.

2093
01:14:47,104 --> 01:14:48,545
Might be a bit more famous than Why

2094
01:14:48,545 --> 01:14:50,305
moore himself. There we go. Yeah. It's coming

2095
01:14:50,305 --> 01:14:52,065
on coming on. But how has that been

2096
01:14:52,065 --> 01:14:53,425
as an experience? Because that you say you've

2097
01:14:53,425 --> 01:14:54,885
gone... I mean, Paul's

2098
01:14:55,279 --> 01:14:57,192
we're not, like, I guess, pushing you in

2099
01:14:57,192 --> 01:14:58,786
the limelight in the same way that Y

2100
01:14:58,786 --> 01:14:59,982
t have the ability to do.

2101
01:15:00,779 --> 01:15:02,055
You were probably a lot more under the

2102
01:15:02,055 --> 01:15:03,704
radar than than you are now, and then

2103
01:15:03,904 --> 01:15:05,341
add more mo tv on the top of

2104
01:15:05,341 --> 01:15:07,735
that, and you've sort of been become a

2105
01:15:07,735 --> 01:15:09,890
super superstar of the endurance scene like, almost

2106
01:15:09,890 --> 01:15:11,806
overnight. Yeah. How how's has that been?

2107
01:15:12,779 --> 01:15:15,967
It's it's natural. Yeah. It's it felt really

2108
01:15:15,967 --> 01:15:17,801
natural. And I told Jack as well,

2109
01:15:19,315 --> 01:15:21,403
like, if he was 1 of those like

2110
01:15:21,403 --> 01:15:23,475
vloggers or Youtubers who are, like, oh, we

2111
01:15:23,475 --> 01:15:25,229
need to do something for the vlog to

2112
01:15:25,229 --> 01:15:27,621
be funny or, like this setup show. Yeah.

2113
01:15:27,781 --> 01:15:30,343
Yeah. Are not keen to be big Chris

2114
01:15:30,343 --> 01:15:30,661
on there.

2115
01:15:31,612 --> 01:15:34,545
But it's... Honestly, if the camera is down,

2116
01:15:34,942 --> 01:15:36,685
yeah. It's the same. Like,

2117
01:15:37,733 --> 01:15:39,722
And, yeah, First of all, we get along

2118
01:15:39,722 --> 01:15:42,110
so well, and I'm super grateful for that

2119
01:15:42,110 --> 01:15:43,224
because it's not for granted, like,

2120
01:15:43,940 --> 01:15:46,502
some people just don't gel with. Mh. And

2121
01:15:46,661 --> 01:15:48,887
I try to get along with most people

2122
01:15:48,887 --> 01:15:49,365
really well.

2123
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:51,752
But, you can't, like,

2124
01:15:52,482 --> 01:15:54,707
force it sometimes. And everyone on the team

2125
01:15:54,707 --> 01:15:55,342
is really like,

2126
01:15:56,613 --> 01:15:58,759
just getting along, really nice and it's good

2127
01:15:58,759 --> 01:16:01,481
friendships, who develop and and we really like

2128
01:16:01,481 --> 01:16:02,278
each other. And,

2129
01:16:03,314 --> 01:16:05,864
especially with Jack having such a tough year

2130
01:16:05,864 --> 01:16:06,661
last year as well.

2131
01:16:07,789 --> 01:16:10,011
And then re injuring his wrist a little

2132
01:16:10,011 --> 01:16:12,232
bit this season and stuff like that. So

2133
01:16:12,232 --> 01:16:15,010
we've we've gone through stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

2134
01:16:16,059 --> 01:16:18,536
And that bonds you, and it became a

2135
01:16:18,536 --> 01:16:21,253
really good good friendship and also on the

2136
01:16:21,253 --> 01:16:23,331
on the vlog. It just like, it's natural.

2137
01:16:23,490 --> 01:16:25,823
You know, like, we we talk the same

2138
01:16:25,823 --> 01:16:27,181
amount of nonsense.

2139
01:16:27,820 --> 01:16:29,439
When the camera is down and,

2140
01:16:30,057 --> 01:16:31,975
maybe sometimes more than on the vlog. Yeah

2141
01:16:31,975 --> 01:16:33,904
to be honest. But we also have, like,

2142
01:16:34,144 --> 01:16:36,534
good chats like deep deep chats about life

2143
01:16:36,534 --> 01:16:39,165
and and stuff that's going on. So that's

2144
01:16:39,165 --> 01:16:41,174
really cool and I really enjoy that. And

2145
01:16:41,174 --> 01:16:43,409
the whole, like, Momo mo Tv thing. It

2146
01:16:43,409 --> 01:16:46,363
just, like, felt natural to be to be

2147
01:16:46,363 --> 01:16:49,157
on there. I kinda enjoy that. It's it's

2148
01:16:49,157 --> 01:16:50,296
fun and. It's

2149
01:16:50,609 --> 01:16:52,143
it's a beautiful way to

2150
01:16:52,757 --> 01:16:55,225
make the sport more accessible to fans and

2151
01:16:55,225 --> 01:16:57,294
give insights. And I feel like that's almost...

2152
01:16:58,503 --> 01:17:01,076
1 of the channels to

2153
01:17:01,613 --> 01:17:04,483
experience and already Hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. I

2154
01:17:04,483 --> 01:17:05,918
know you get a more support tracks side.

2155
01:17:06,157 --> 01:17:08,083
That's a result of of, like, being big

2156
01:17:08,083 --> 01:17:11,188
chris. Yeah. Big time. Yeah. Like, honestly, and

2157
01:17:11,188 --> 01:17:13,655
and Ta I was overwhelmed. It was crazy.

2158
01:17:13,894 --> 01:17:14,132
I think.

2159
01:17:14,863 --> 01:17:17,011
Maybe the the crowd almost went as hard

2160
01:17:17,011 --> 01:17:19,398
for me than for for some of the

2161
01:17:19,477 --> 01:17:21,466
Aussie guys will check himself. You've only been

2162
01:17:21,466 --> 01:17:23,318
on... Team then, like, a couple months. Right?

2163
01:17:23,637 --> 01:17:25,554
So it came up quick. Yeah. It it

2164
01:17:25,554 --> 01:17:28,451
shows how, like, especially the Aussie follow

2165
01:17:29,243 --> 01:17:31,956
jack yeah or or Tv. So it's been,

2166
01:17:32,115 --> 01:17:34,270
yeah. Been really cool to, like, kind of

2167
01:17:34,270 --> 01:17:36,836
benefit from that Or, like, It just feels

2168
01:17:36,836 --> 01:17:38,823
cool. Like, I'm I'm super grateful for for

2169
01:17:38,823 --> 01:17:40,412
for that. Yeah It must make the experience

2170
01:17:40,412 --> 01:17:41,764
of being at a race even more fun

2171
01:17:41,764 --> 01:17:43,831
for you? To have that support and people

2172
01:17:43,831 --> 01:17:45,992
wanting to come and meet and chat must

2173
01:17:45,992 --> 01:17:48,378
be. Yeah. And also, as I mentioned to

2174
01:17:48,378 --> 01:17:49,015
you earlier,

2175
01:17:50,287 --> 01:17:52,649
it's kinda cool because I'm such a at

2176
01:17:52,929 --> 01:17:55,010
such a different state of life, I'd say,

2177
01:17:55,250 --> 01:17:57,090
or, like, in such a different position with

2178
01:17:57,090 --> 01:17:59,090
having family and all that. But it turns

2179
01:17:59,090 --> 01:18:01,341
out that most people who watch the flock,

2180
01:18:01,819 --> 01:18:04,873
our family people, all kids and Yeah. And

2181
01:18:05,091 --> 01:18:07,506
and so many parents and

2182
01:18:07,899 --> 01:18:10,683
and dads and, like, people reached out to

2183
01:18:10,683 --> 01:18:11,422
me and

2184
01:18:11,956 --> 01:18:14,343
they, like, love the character on there, Mh.

2185
01:18:14,502 --> 01:18:16,506
Which is It's not nothing is made up

2186
01:18:16,506 --> 01:18:18,096
there. You know? Like, we... Yeah. We do

2187
01:18:18,096 --> 01:18:20,188
have funny things every now and then, but

2188
01:18:20,323 --> 01:18:22,726
it's like, I tried to be honest and

2189
01:18:22,726 --> 01:18:24,798
real on there, and it is real like

2190
01:18:24,798 --> 01:18:26,868
everything that's on there, which is super important

2191
01:18:26,868 --> 01:18:28,144
to me. But

2192
01:18:28,860 --> 01:18:30,931
I feel like yet just sharon Mah heart.

2193
01:18:31,583 --> 01:18:32,220
Every now and then,

2194
01:18:33,095 --> 01:18:36,197
hits a bit deeper than just talking about

2195
01:18:36,197 --> 01:18:37,470
which corner you washed out of the race.

2196
01:18:37,628 --> 01:18:38,399
You know? So

2197
01:18:39,235 --> 01:18:42,441
and that seems to touch people and and

2198
01:18:42,498 --> 01:18:43,135
inspire people.

2199
01:18:43,692 --> 01:18:45,443
And that comes back to me, like I

2200
01:18:45,443 --> 01:18:47,965
get messages on Instagram and and stuff, and

2201
01:18:48,083 --> 01:18:50,571
and that keeps me going. That motivates me

2202
01:18:50,945 --> 01:18:54,125
on days where I feel like quitting because

2203
01:18:54,125 --> 01:18:55,419
it doesn't make sense

2204
01:18:55,793 --> 01:18:56,429
when you sleep.

2205
01:18:57,478 --> 01:18:59,884
Next to a kids bed on the carpet

2206
01:19:00,019 --> 01:19:01,868
overnight and if you're like, oh, should train

2207
01:19:01,925 --> 01:19:03,298
should do this and then

2208
01:19:03,751 --> 01:19:05,736
and everything falls apart. But then you you

2209
01:19:05,736 --> 01:19:07,585
get a message and people are like, oh,

2210
01:19:07,824 --> 01:19:10,465
we... I don't know, like, we got inspired

2211
01:19:10,465 --> 01:19:12,545
by what do you do and we do

2212
01:19:12,545 --> 01:19:14,225
this and that again now and it's so

2213
01:19:14,225 --> 01:19:15,399
good for a family and I'm

2214
01:19:16,391 --> 01:19:18,136
get in tears when read stuff like that.

2215
01:19:18,216 --> 01:19:21,015
And... It's amazing. And that gives me

2216
01:19:21,547 --> 01:19:24,578
motivation again to, like, okay. Let's Yeah. You

2217
01:19:24,578 --> 01:19:26,484
a role model for for family people that

2218
01:19:26,484 --> 01:19:29,582
won't do something alongside it. Yeah. That's amazing.

2219
01:19:29,821 --> 01:19:31,983
Yeah. That's super cool. You mentioned the whole

2220
01:19:31,983 --> 01:19:34,051
lot, yeah, sleeping on the floor next to

2221
01:19:34,051 --> 01:19:35,881
a kid that that needs you there that

2222
01:19:35,881 --> 01:19:37,314
time and then you've got a training session

2223
01:19:37,314 --> 01:19:38,997
the next day. I guess the risk of

2224
01:19:38,997 --> 01:19:41,859
over training when you're, like, non training stress

2225
01:19:41,859 --> 01:19:44,084
is high as a result of family life

2226
01:19:44,084 --> 01:19:46,729
or higher. Like, how do you manage

2227
01:19:47,357 --> 01:19:49,027
that and ensure that you keep, like, a

2228
01:19:49,027 --> 01:19:52,046
healthy balance between training enough, but not going

2229
01:19:52,046 --> 01:19:54,033
too far when when life's busy.

2230
01:19:54,843 --> 01:19:55,082
Yeah.

2231
01:19:55,718 --> 01:19:58,103
I think like, there's just no rest when

2232
01:19:58,103 --> 01:20:00,966
you're at home, there's always something happening. And

2233
01:20:00,966 --> 01:20:02,397
then when the kids are bed,

2234
01:20:03,207 --> 01:20:04,880
you're like, okay. Now I can do my

2235
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:06,972
stuff. Yeah. Like, you I can do some

2236
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:09,657
maybe some office stuff, some emails and and

2237
01:20:09,657 --> 01:20:11,033
stuff like that. So there's

2238
01:20:11,503 --> 01:20:13,894
Yeah. It's definitely easy to overcook it,

2239
01:20:15,168 --> 01:20:16,943
and we just recently added

2240
01:20:17,637 --> 01:20:18,329
building a house

2241
01:20:18,846 --> 01:20:21,390
to the project list. So of course. Yeah.

2242
01:20:21,708 --> 01:20:23,139
That was too much time on hand,

2243
01:20:24,570 --> 01:20:26,215
and we're trying to do it ourselves

2244
01:20:26,653 --> 01:20:27,768
obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Why not.

2245
01:20:28,644 --> 01:20:30,318
Because we'll love a good craft. So

2246
01:20:31,034 --> 01:20:32,947
but there's there's no pressure there, so that's

2247
01:20:32,947 --> 01:20:35,018
good. Okay. And I just do something whenever

2248
01:20:35,018 --> 01:20:35,869
it's let's

2249
01:20:36,307 --> 01:20:36,706
possible.

2250
01:20:37,344 --> 01:20:37,844
But

2251
01:20:38,220 --> 01:20:38,380
again,

2252
01:20:39,176 --> 01:20:41,168
in that term, it's super helpful for me

2253
01:20:41,168 --> 01:20:43,239
to have a trainer, who knows me. Mh.

2254
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:45,174
Who knows my life circumstances,

2255
01:20:46,599 --> 01:20:49,856
And he, like, kinda can read my feedback

2256
01:20:49,856 --> 01:20:51,444
in terms of okay. We we catch up

2257
01:20:51,444 --> 01:20:51,944
and

2258
01:20:52,398 --> 01:20:54,279
and he'd be like, okay. I feel like

2259
01:20:54,478 --> 01:20:56,704
you need some rest. So you're sharing some

2260
01:20:56,704 --> 01:20:58,875
data and, like, commentary around

2261
01:20:59,250 --> 01:21:01,317
sore and how you're feeling and energy levels

2262
01:21:01,317 --> 01:21:03,225
and stuff. Yeah. I tried to keep him

2263
01:21:03,225 --> 01:21:05,789
updated in terms of like, we we use

2264
01:21:05,789 --> 01:21:08,261
training peaks as actual. So he sees what

2265
01:21:08,342 --> 01:21:10,495
I've... What I've done and what I've didn't

2266
01:21:10,495 --> 01:21:12,010
do. Yeah. And,

2267
01:21:12,489 --> 01:21:13,526
so he has the data.

2268
01:21:14,259 --> 01:21:16,010
And then we also tried to catch up

2269
01:21:16,010 --> 01:21:18,160
or do voice messages. Okay. And he would...

2270
01:21:18,399 --> 01:21:19,457
I mean, he would look

2271
01:21:19,832 --> 01:21:22,221
him my voice. Yeah. And get the feedback

2272
01:21:22,221 --> 01:21:24,301
and out same like, how the nights were

2273
01:21:24,301 --> 01:21:26,445
with the kids maybe. And in general, they

2274
01:21:26,445 --> 01:21:28,270
are good. Yeah. But, you know, like,

2275
01:21:28,985 --> 01:21:31,231
in general, is not every night. So

2276
01:21:32,420 --> 01:21:34,500
and some days are just busy, like, you

2277
01:21:34,500 --> 01:21:36,420
have to maybe go to a doctor or

2278
01:21:36,420 --> 01:21:38,579
you have, like, a little party from the

2279
01:21:38,579 --> 01:21:41,145
kindergarten or. Yeah. Not. And that stuff that's

2280
01:21:41,145 --> 01:21:42,815
important to me, you know? Like, it might

2281
01:21:42,815 --> 01:21:44,088
sound funny to some people,

2282
01:21:44,884 --> 01:21:46,713
but it's super important to me. Because I

2283
01:21:46,713 --> 01:21:48,637
wanna be there, and I wanna be their

2284
01:21:48,637 --> 01:21:50,467
for my kids, and I wanna see them

2285
01:21:50,467 --> 01:21:51,899
grow up, and I wanna be part of

2286
01:21:51,899 --> 01:21:52,057
it,

2287
01:21:54,126 --> 01:21:54,626
because

2288
01:21:55,893 --> 01:21:57,729
I don't know fast forward 10:20 years.

2289
01:21:58,846 --> 01:22:01,081
I don't care what position I did in

2290
01:22:01,081 --> 01:22:02,996
a race. But If my kids are, like,

2291
01:22:03,968 --> 01:22:06,280
not interested in me anymore because they feel

2292
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,910
like I wasn't interested in them. Yep. That

2293
01:22:08,910 --> 01:22:10,504
would hurt big test the biggest loss you

2294
01:22:10,504 --> 01:22:13,224
can Yeah. You can have. Right? So balance

2295
01:22:13,224 --> 01:22:16,322
all that. It helps massively to have someone

2296
01:22:16,322 --> 01:22:18,863
who, like, kind of oversees that. Mh. And

2297
01:22:18,863 --> 01:22:19,657
he's like, okay.

2298
01:22:20,308 --> 01:22:22,697
Well, you know what? You shouldn't worry about

2299
01:22:22,697 --> 01:22:23,813
the session you skip today.

2300
01:22:24,529 --> 01:22:26,042
We just make it extra hard tomorrow.

2301
01:22:26,998 --> 01:22:28,965
And then he he puts in a 7

2302
01:22:29,085 --> 01:22:31,164
set of interval also something that kills me

2303
01:22:31,164 --> 01:22:32,864
for, like, 3 days. So

2304
01:22:33,404 --> 01:22:35,085
we work our way around. Yeah. That's cool,

2305
01:22:35,164 --> 01:22:37,164
man. And you're... You mentioned earlier, like, your

2306
01:22:37,164 --> 01:22:39,575
role at White tee is, you, there is

2307
01:22:39,575 --> 01:22:41,090
a race, but you also have like, an

2308
01:22:41,170 --> 01:22:41,988
R and D

2309
01:22:42,524 --> 01:22:44,278
side of things as well where you're, like,

2310
01:22:44,676 --> 01:22:46,324
integrating more maybe than some of the rest

2311
01:22:46,445 --> 01:22:48,284
team with, like, the engineers Back at White

2312
01:22:48,284 --> 01:22:49,565
tea. Yeah. Just talk to us a bit

2313
01:22:49,565 --> 01:22:51,725
about that and, like how that works, what

2314
01:22:51,725 --> 01:22:52,925
you've been up to, How you getting on

2315
01:22:52,925 --> 01:22:55,140
with it. Yeah. Yeah. So straight away from

2316
01:22:55,340 --> 01:22:57,177
when we, like, set up the whole deal,

2317
01:22:57,337 --> 01:22:57,997
it was

2318
01:22:58,456 --> 01:23:00,374
clear that that is a part of my

2319
01:23:00,374 --> 01:23:02,372
job, which is cool to me because it's

2320
01:23:02,372 --> 01:23:03,271
also more

2321
01:23:04,305 --> 01:23:07,104
like, it kind of takes pressure from from

2322
01:23:07,104 --> 01:23:09,265
racing because my role is a bit bit

2323
01:23:09,265 --> 01:23:11,744
bigger. Yeah. And when there are days where

2324
01:23:11,824 --> 01:23:14,076
I can't, like, live as an athlete, let's

2325
01:23:14,076 --> 01:23:16,412
say and and live up to my own

2326
01:23:16,630 --> 01:23:16,949
expectations,

2327
01:23:18,146 --> 01:23:18,705
let alone.

2328
01:23:21,273 --> 01:23:23,108
I feel like, okay, there's more to my

2329
01:23:23,108 --> 01:23:25,101
role here, Like, I shouldn't worry about it

2330
01:23:25,101 --> 01:23:27,117
too much. And Everything, 1 of the team

2331
01:23:27,494 --> 01:23:29,966
is aware of it too. So that being

2332
01:23:29,966 --> 01:23:30,126
said,

2333
01:23:31,654 --> 01:23:33,881
the team is super supportive with me being

2334
01:23:33,881 --> 01:23:35,154
in a family man. Like,

2335
01:23:35,869 --> 01:23:38,353
if family is, like, and in trouble. Like,

2336
01:23:38,512 --> 01:23:39,171
if there's

2337
01:23:39,549 --> 01:23:42,579
if there's fire at home, you know, everyone

2338
01:23:42,579 --> 01:23:45,212
would understand if I stay home. Yeah. They

2339
01:23:45,212 --> 01:23:47,546
respect that. They support me in that. So

2340
01:23:48,337 --> 01:23:50,113
like, really really

2341
01:23:50,571 --> 01:23:51,208
a massive,

2342
01:23:52,006 --> 01:23:52,246
yeah.

2343
01:23:53,203 --> 01:23:55,436
Thank you to to the whole team for

2344
01:23:55,436 --> 01:23:57,031
for that. I think that's pretty unique.

2345
01:23:57,765 --> 01:23:58,164
And

2346
01:23:58,885 --> 01:24:00,564
so the R and D kind of thing

2347
01:24:00,564 --> 01:24:01,064
was

2348
01:24:01,844 --> 01:24:04,744
clear straight away because I started some development

2349
01:24:05,219 --> 01:24:07,876
stuff with bolts as well. I did some,

2350
01:24:08,175 --> 01:24:09,793
like, Oe testing with

2351
01:24:10,172 --> 01:24:12,902
suspension manufacturers for them, and that goes around,

2352
01:24:13,140 --> 01:24:15,711
like, the same guy who tests for

2353
01:24:16,246 --> 01:24:18,953
bulls, Rocks, Oe specs would do it with

2354
01:24:19,032 --> 01:24:19,908
White t. So.

2355
01:24:21,038 --> 01:24:22,873
You kind of know each other within the

2356
01:24:22,873 --> 01:24:24,787
scene, and then he would maybe give feedback

2357
01:24:24,787 --> 01:24:27,100
to the White tea guys of recently tested

2358
01:24:27,100 --> 01:24:29,196
with Taxi. So you kind of get a

2359
01:24:29,254 --> 01:24:30,073
reputation for

2360
01:24:30,784 --> 01:24:31,923
being a guy who

2361
01:24:32,462 --> 01:24:35,019
can be tested with. Yeah. Because not every

2362
01:24:35,019 --> 01:24:35,918
guy who

2363
01:24:36,377 --> 01:24:37,335
or every person,

2364
01:24:37,908 --> 01:24:40,159
who goes fast, essentially

2365
01:24:40,774 --> 01:24:44,037
feels what makes the bike Yeah. Fast or...

2366
01:24:44,276 --> 01:24:46,584
So people it fast. Right? Sometimes... And and

2367
01:24:46,584 --> 01:24:47,515
sometimes, it's not

2368
01:24:47,873 --> 01:24:50,182
about going fast. Yeah. Yeah. For the majority

2369
01:24:50,182 --> 01:24:51,616
of people who buy a bike in the

2370
01:24:51,616 --> 01:24:52,412
end, it's not. So.

2371
01:24:54,165 --> 01:24:56,337
Yeah. I kind of developed a little

2372
01:24:56,807 --> 01:24:59,109
like, standing for myself in that way, I

2373
01:24:59,109 --> 01:24:59,823
could... I would say.

2374
01:25:00,618 --> 01:25:01,015
And,

2375
01:25:01,649 --> 01:25:05,080
White t sees that and sees the benefit

2376
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:06,671
and need for them as a brand to

2377
01:25:06,671 --> 01:25:08,580
have people like that. With Oo in the

2378
01:25:08,580 --> 01:25:10,034
first place is amazing

2379
01:25:10,489 --> 01:25:12,717
with that stuff, maybe I don't know, like,

2380
01:25:13,369 --> 01:25:15,386
definitely the most amazing person I've

2381
01:25:15,926 --> 01:25:16,885
ever seen. Mh.

2382
01:25:17,683 --> 01:25:19,600
Doing doing that stuff, like, what he feels

2383
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:20,340
is pretty

2384
01:25:20,733 --> 01:25:21,948
pretty crazy. So

2385
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:23,858
also been

2386
01:25:24,312 --> 01:25:27,096
friends with, he obviously reported that to White

2387
01:25:27,096 --> 01:25:28,154
that I would be

2388
01:25:28,529 --> 01:25:29,220
a good

2389
01:25:30,059 --> 01:25:32,376
addition Yeah. To to that because it's too

2390
01:25:32,376 --> 01:25:34,933
much work for 1 person alone. So so

2391
01:25:34,933 --> 01:25:36,850
he pushed for that essentially. And,

2392
01:25:37,824 --> 01:25:39,680
Yeah. So I started

2393
01:25:40,297 --> 01:25:41,094
working with them,

2394
01:25:41,733 --> 01:25:44,444
not many projects yet. Okay. As things are

2395
01:25:44,444 --> 01:25:46,439
still fresh and kind of the whole racing

2396
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:47,689
side of things needed to

2397
01:25:48,207 --> 01:25:49,162
find its feet. Yeah.

2398
01:25:50,357 --> 01:25:52,131
But... Yeah, Like, it's... It

2399
01:25:52,507 --> 01:25:54,259
comes down to, like, if there's a new

2400
01:25:54,259 --> 01:25:55,612
bike to be developed, and you rider

2401
01:25:56,422 --> 01:25:59,598
prep production bike just to try it in

2402
01:25:59,598 --> 01:26:02,059
terms of if it's strong enough or where

2403
01:26:02,059 --> 01:26:04,441
stuff would fail or what the problems would

2404
01:26:04,441 --> 01:26:04,997
be. Mh.

2405
01:26:05,886 --> 01:26:08,429
To, like, try different things on the bikes

2406
01:26:08,429 --> 01:26:10,019
like geometry wise or, like,

2407
01:26:10,734 --> 01:26:12,562
suspension wise, and then also,

2408
01:26:13,135 --> 01:26:15,609
just small stuff, like, try a different headset

2409
01:26:15,609 --> 01:26:17,763
cup because we wanna spec this and Okay.

2410
01:26:18,003 --> 01:26:19,620
Write it as hard as you can and

2411
01:26:19,998 --> 01:26:22,649
see if it outlast the other 1 or

2412
01:26:22,649 --> 01:26:24,247
if it fails earlier and stuff like that.

2413
01:26:24,487 --> 01:26:26,744
And you just need people for that. So,

2414
01:26:27,762 --> 01:26:29,761
I'm happy to jump in on that, and

2415
01:26:29,761 --> 01:26:30,980
also give feedback

2416
01:26:31,533 --> 01:26:33,131
on, like, the technical side of things,

2417
01:26:34,567 --> 01:26:36,483
the best way I can. Mh. As I

2418
01:26:36,483 --> 01:26:39,117
learned a technical job in the industry, like

2419
01:26:39,117 --> 01:26:39,994
an automotive,

2420
01:26:40,805 --> 01:26:42,952
as an apprenticeship and then for another year.

2421
01:26:43,747 --> 01:26:45,497
I work there. So I have a sort

2422
01:26:45,497 --> 01:26:48,144
of a technical background to understand processes

2423
01:26:48,519 --> 01:26:50,085
and and stuff like that. So

2424
01:26:50,524 --> 01:26:51,981
that definitely helps me

2425
01:26:52,519 --> 01:26:54,992
trying to get my head around solutions for

2426
01:26:54,992 --> 01:26:56,907
making a bike better. Sweet. What was your

2427
01:26:56,907 --> 01:26:58,438
old role in Ot automotive? What sort of

2428
01:26:58,438 --> 01:27:00,592
stuff you doing? I've learned a job that's

2429
01:27:00,592 --> 01:27:04,043
called Mech electronic. Okay. So it's half, like

2430
01:27:04,101 --> 01:27:06,255
mechanic thing and half electricity. Yeah. Yeah.

2431
01:27:07,531 --> 01:27:10,895
And I didn't develop a product myself. Mh

2432
01:27:10,895 --> 01:27:11,135
we...

2433
01:27:11,773 --> 01:27:13,767
The the company I was working for made

2434
01:27:13,767 --> 01:27:13,926
like,

2435
01:27:15,521 --> 01:27:17,377
all sorts of electric

2436
01:27:19,045 --> 01:27:20,718
I have to find the words english. But

2437
01:27:20,718 --> 01:27:24,302
it's like, few fuel pumps. Okay. Yeah valves

2438
01:27:24,302 --> 01:27:26,613
for, like, hydraulics and Yeah. Yeah. And stuff

2439
01:27:26,613 --> 01:27:28,380
like that. It's pretty big company.

2440
01:27:28,858 --> 01:27:30,154
And I sort of

2441
01:27:30,689 --> 01:27:33,418
developed and build up and serviced machines who

2442
01:27:33,555 --> 01:27:35,306
produce the product then. Yeah.

2443
01:27:35,958 --> 01:27:37,627
But it was also, like, R and D.

2444
01:27:37,785 --> 01:27:40,192
Yeah. Because you've... You need to find ways

2445
01:27:40,247 --> 01:27:41,836
to make a process better, your,

2446
01:27:43,106 --> 01:27:45,108
stuff would fail. So you try to find

2447
01:27:45,108 --> 01:27:47,754
better solutions and stuff like that. And essentially

2448
01:27:47,810 --> 01:27:49,502
all the the processes

2449
01:27:49,877 --> 01:27:52,578
to make machines better and stuff. It's the

2450
01:27:52,578 --> 01:27:55,375
same as working on the bike. Are. Yeah.

2451
01:27:55,693 --> 01:27:57,282
Nice. And it... You see that as, like,

2452
01:27:57,362 --> 01:27:58,577
a future if racing

2453
01:27:59,031 --> 01:28:00,144
comes to an end for you at some

2454
01:28:00,144 --> 01:28:01,336
point, which I guess it does for everyone.

2455
01:28:01,494 --> 01:28:03,819
Yeah. 1 day. Do you see, like a

2456
01:28:03,819 --> 01:28:05,809
longer term future in the bike industry with

2457
01:28:05,809 --> 01:28:07,960
that, would you rather be like, a line

2458
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:09,871
spot on the hill? Like, what what does

2459
01:28:09,871 --> 01:28:10,667
the future?

2460
01:28:11,876 --> 01:28:13,387
Look like or what sort of things do

2461
01:28:13,387 --> 01:28:14,421
you do you feel like you might end

2462
01:28:14,421 --> 01:28:18,001
up going towards? It's definitely a perspective.

2463
01:28:18,654 --> 01:28:19,771
Or an option. I'd say.

2464
01:28:21,528 --> 01:28:22,507
I don't plan

2465
01:28:23,204 --> 01:28:25,439
the future too much. To be honest. It's

2466
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:26,957
like, it's not that I live in the

2467
01:28:26,957 --> 01:28:27,776
day, but

2468
01:28:28,567 --> 01:28:31,595
you sort of develop chances and possibilities, and

2469
01:28:31,595 --> 01:28:34,067
you see where life takes you.

2470
01:28:34,864 --> 01:28:35,342
And

2471
01:28:36,074 --> 01:28:37,912
But that's definitely a thing. And, I mean,

2472
01:28:38,552 --> 01:28:41,349
as we talk right now, I have massive

2473
01:28:41,349 --> 01:28:43,586
passion for the sport. I'm a massive fan

2474
01:28:43,586 --> 01:28:44,920
of the sports still, and

2475
01:28:45,594 --> 01:28:48,371
So I wanna be involved and that's definitely

2476
01:28:48,371 --> 01:28:50,831
a way to be involved. Also, I think

2477
01:28:50,831 --> 01:28:53,469
their possibilities to to be involved with the

2478
01:28:53,469 --> 01:28:54,903
team and stuff like that, but then you

2479
01:28:54,903 --> 01:28:56,815
gotta see if you still wanna travel that

2480
01:28:56,815 --> 01:28:59,046
march Yeah. Your family or if you're over

2481
01:28:59,046 --> 01:29:00,161
it at some point, maybe,

2482
01:29:01,769 --> 01:29:02,667
But it's definitely

2483
01:29:03,281 --> 01:29:04,020
a way,

2484
01:29:04,475 --> 01:29:07,022
like, a a perspective, I'd say, Yeah. To

2485
01:29:07,022 --> 01:29:08,318
be involved. And I wanna

2486
01:29:08,853 --> 01:29:11,262
develop myself there as well. I'm just as

2487
01:29:12,375 --> 01:29:14,375
eager and competitive, And that way,

2488
01:29:15,814 --> 01:29:18,055
like, being an athlete. Mh. Also to, like,

2489
01:29:18,534 --> 01:29:19,895
being a better test rider,

2490
01:29:21,184 --> 01:29:22,796
I don't know, like, work my head around

2491
01:29:22,851 --> 01:29:23,090
solutions,

2492
01:29:23,963 --> 01:29:26,426
educate myself about materials and stuff like that

2493
01:29:26,426 --> 01:29:28,489
and and and try to push for that.

2494
01:29:28,728 --> 01:29:30,490
So as long as the company,

2495
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:34,229
shares that with me and and they feel

2496
01:29:34,229 --> 01:29:37,274
like our benefit. I definitely, I'm keen to

2497
01:29:37,489 --> 01:29:39,652
to stay the part of that and awesome.

2498
01:29:39,890 --> 01:29:42,355
And stick with that pretty amazing family Sweet.

2499
01:29:42,594 --> 01:29:43,628
Life's good, man. Yeah.

2500
01:29:44,264 --> 01:29:46,571
Definitely definitely. Yeah. Nice. We should start wrapping

2501
01:29:46,571 --> 01:29:48,493
up. And we'll hit up our final 4

2502
01:29:48,493 --> 01:29:50,957
questions because your first proper time on the

2503
01:29:50,957 --> 01:29:52,944
podcast, I guess. Yeah first 1 of those,

2504
01:29:53,023 --> 01:29:54,056
if I listen is at a hundred and

2505
01:29:54,056 --> 01:29:55,501
50 50 pounds or about a hundred and

2506
01:29:55,501 --> 01:29:58,678
75 euros to spend to improve their performance

2507
01:29:58,678 --> 01:30:00,664
on a bike. What would you recommend they

2508
01:30:00,664 --> 01:30:01,459
went and spend that on?

2509
01:30:02,650 --> 01:30:02,784
50

2510
01:30:04,021 --> 01:30:05,617
That's a tough 1, and it's funny because

2511
01:30:05,777 --> 01:30:08,010
I listen to so many people quest... Like,

2512
01:30:08,569 --> 01:30:09,526
answering that question.

2513
01:30:10,338 --> 01:30:12,014
Is there another 1 coming up on parts

2514
01:30:12,014 --> 01:30:12,333
or something?

2515
01:30:13,291 --> 01:30:15,206
No. That's okay. That's the part. That's kind

2516
01:30:15,206 --> 01:30:17,440
the parts 1 really. It's like... Yeah. And

2517
01:30:18,093 --> 01:30:20,076
I think some people have... Yeah. Yeah. Some

2518
01:30:20,076 --> 01:30:21,345
people had the approach of, like,

2519
01:30:22,217 --> 01:30:24,121
doing a coaching lesson or something.

2520
01:30:25,153 --> 01:30:25,549
And it's...

2521
01:30:26,676 --> 01:30:28,426
I mean, it's tough because it's so individual.

2522
01:30:28,981 --> 01:30:29,777
It depends on, like,

2523
01:30:30,731 --> 01:30:32,957
how you're riding status is like, how you

2524
01:30:32,957 --> 01:30:34,547
good your riding. Mh how bad your bike

2525
01:30:34,547 --> 01:30:36,633
is maybe? Yeah. Yeah. If your tires is

2526
01:30:36,633 --> 01:30:38,788
a rubbish, for sure you wanna spend the

2527
01:30:38,788 --> 01:30:41,262
money on new tires, so it's pretty individual.

2528
01:30:41,502 --> 01:30:42,002
But

2529
01:30:42,460 --> 01:30:43,918
if it comes down to

2530
01:30:45,015 --> 01:30:45,829
like the bike,

2531
01:30:47,670 --> 01:30:48,229
I think...

2532
01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:52,789
Yeah. Like good tires. Yeah. Do make the

2533
01:30:52,789 --> 01:30:54,710
biggest difference on a mountain bike. U.

2534
01:30:59,901 --> 01:31:00,401
And

2535
01:31:00,777 --> 01:31:01,675
I feel like

2536
01:31:02,529 --> 01:31:02,926
especially,

2537
01:31:04,296 --> 01:31:06,688
people who, like, just started writing,

2538
01:31:07,246 --> 01:31:07,746
and

2539
01:31:08,362 --> 01:31:10,115
and they don't have, like, a lot of

2540
01:31:10,115 --> 01:31:10,615
awareness

2541
01:31:10,993 --> 01:31:11,631
for their own,

2542
01:31:12,362 --> 01:31:14,984
like movement on the bike yet. Yeah. And

2543
01:31:14,984 --> 01:31:17,447
not... They didn't develop a lot of technique.

2544
01:31:18,321 --> 01:31:20,724
It really helps to to have a good

2545
01:31:20,724 --> 01:31:22,875
coaching session. Yeah. And I'm saying a good

2546
01:31:22,875 --> 01:31:25,048
coaching session because there's a lot of

2547
01:31:25,823 --> 01:31:27,814
not that good coaching sessions out there. And

2548
01:31:27,814 --> 01:31:28,984
people like, to

2549
01:31:29,743 --> 01:31:32,221
make you believe stuff that mh might work

2550
01:31:32,221 --> 01:31:35,018
for some, but then it's like, they...

2551
01:31:35,738 --> 01:31:37,356
I feel like a lot of people sell

2552
01:31:37,416 --> 01:31:38,454
laws. Yeah, you know?

2553
01:31:39,109 --> 01:31:40,703
Like, that's the technique that you have to

2554
01:31:40,703 --> 01:31:43,015
do. Otherwise, it won't work. Then you see

2555
01:31:43,015 --> 01:31:44,927
people who win world cups and then they

2556
01:31:44,927 --> 01:31:48,054
different. They do. They do what the coach

2557
01:31:48,054 --> 01:31:49,572
might say is wrong. Yeah. You know? Yeah

2558
01:31:49,572 --> 01:31:50,131
yeah. So,

2559
01:31:51,251 --> 01:31:53,168
I mean, it's hard to find those people

2560
01:31:53,168 --> 01:31:53,668
sometimes.

2561
01:31:54,447 --> 01:31:56,225
But if you have a really good coaching

2562
01:31:56,285 --> 01:31:57,140
session. So

2563
01:31:58,059 --> 01:32:01,175
just someone who's a very good rider and

2564
01:32:01,175 --> 01:32:03,332
aware of body position and stuff, if they

2565
01:32:03,332 --> 01:32:05,410
do 1 run behind you. Mh. They'd give

2566
01:32:05,410 --> 01:32:07,737
you, like, 3 keys, what you change. Yeah.

2567
01:32:07,896 --> 01:32:10,047
And it'll... It might change your bike riding.

2568
01:32:10,286 --> 01:32:12,914
Yeah. Yeah. Hundred percent. If we took that

2569
01:32:12,914 --> 01:32:13,414
price

2570
01:32:13,791 --> 01:32:14,747
cap away,

2571
01:32:15,559 --> 01:32:18,199
and said, like, what's the best change you've

2572
01:32:18,199 --> 01:32:19,719
made to your bike in the last 2

2573
01:32:19,719 --> 01:32:19,960
years?

2574
01:32:21,079 --> 01:32:22,439
What would you say has been like the

2575
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:22,599
most?

2576
01:32:23,572 --> 01:32:25,326
Influential step forward that you've made because I

2577
01:32:25,326 --> 01:32:27,639
know you've had the opportunity to, as Jack

2578
01:32:27,639 --> 01:32:28,995
would say, be a massive tweak.

2579
01:32:33,238 --> 01:32:34,037
That's a tough 1.

2580
01:32:34,914 --> 01:32:35,734
I feel like

2581
01:32:36,271 --> 01:32:38,688
I've been tweaking for so long

2582
01:32:39,225 --> 01:32:40,125
that I've been

2583
01:32:41,061 --> 01:32:41,381
running

2584
01:32:41,953 --> 01:32:44,738
pretty solid level of what I know works

2585
01:32:44,738 --> 01:32:45,636
for me. But

2586
01:32:46,329 --> 01:32:46,988
I think

2587
01:32:47,443 --> 01:32:49,432
almost the biggest change over the last few

2588
01:32:49,432 --> 01:32:52,711
years is writing just the softest tires. Okay.

2589
01:32:53,029 --> 01:32:53,985
I could get. Yeah.

2590
01:32:55,260 --> 01:32:57,967
Yeah what you are now? Conte Sc sc.

2591
01:32:58,286 --> 01:33:00,850
Okay. Which ones? And then it's I'm running,

2592
01:33:01,010 --> 01:33:02,762
like, magic Mary out front also of the

2593
01:33:02,762 --> 01:33:04,914
time. Sometimes take chan in the rear. Yeah.

2594
01:33:05,472 --> 01:33:05,972
And

2595
01:33:06,588 --> 01:33:07,407
yeah. So

2596
01:33:07,879 --> 01:33:08,379
the

2597
01:33:08,837 --> 01:33:09,337
up

2598
01:33:09,715 --> 01:33:11,731
3 or 4 years ago, I still ran

2599
01:33:12,110 --> 01:33:14,585
the, like, the medium kind of compound in

2600
01:33:14,585 --> 01:33:16,261
the rear And now I feel like, how

2601
01:33:16,261 --> 01:33:19,072
could I even do that. Yeah. Now I'm

2602
01:33:19,072 --> 01:33:20,850
running the softer tires and

2603
01:33:21,629 --> 01:33:24,586
little little spoiler, even softer stuff. Okay. Because

2604
01:33:24,666 --> 01:33:25,805
I'm I'm part of

2605
01:33:26,597 --> 01:33:28,510
another development program for them. Sweet.

2606
01:33:29,784 --> 01:33:31,081
So that's definitely

2607
01:33:32,175 --> 01:33:32,993
some of the

2608
01:33:33,465 --> 01:33:35,702
the best changes I'd say. Yeah. Done. Yeah

2609
01:33:35,702 --> 01:33:37,779
interesting. Okay, man. Second 1, if you could

2610
01:33:37,779 --> 01:33:40,016
widen back the clock and sit down with

2611
01:33:40,016 --> 01:33:41,295
16 year old Taxi,

2612
01:33:41,787 --> 01:33:42,822
what advice would you give him?

2613
01:33:48,152 --> 01:33:50,354
Just trying to be your best and not

2614
01:33:50,553 --> 01:33:51,904
to be the best. U.

2615
01:33:52,779 --> 01:33:54,448
Yeah Yeah. Do you feel like you were...

2616
01:33:54,765 --> 01:33:56,435
You spent a lot of your earlier life

2617
01:33:56,435 --> 01:33:57,650
trying to be the best

2618
01:33:58,756 --> 01:34:00,510
Are worried about being the best. Okay.

2619
01:34:01,306 --> 01:34:02,262
And is that gone now.

2620
01:34:04,175 --> 01:34:06,582
Not all of the time? Okay. Yeah. The

2621
01:34:06,582 --> 01:34:08,658
style energy still there. When I when I

2622
01:34:08,658 --> 01:34:08,978
do a...

2623
01:34:09,776 --> 01:34:11,772
I don't know. When I do a stupid

2624
01:34:11,772 --> 01:34:13,608
little competition against 1 of my best mates,

2625
01:34:13,768 --> 01:34:15,284
like table tennis or whatever.

2626
01:34:15,778 --> 01:34:17,530
I'll definitely worry about being the best. Yeah.

2627
01:34:18,247 --> 01:34:20,796
I love it. No. But... Yeah, honestly,

2628
01:34:22,388 --> 01:34:23,742
and again, that's like,

2629
01:34:24,635 --> 01:34:26,173
That sounds like so

2630
01:34:27,430 --> 01:34:27,591
like,

2631
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:30,467
everyone would say that. Like, don't worry, relax.

2632
01:34:30,627 --> 01:34:33,515
Like, Yeah. Don't stress. And stuff like that.

2633
01:34:34,233 --> 01:34:36,305
But, I guess everyone says it because it's

2634
01:34:36,305 --> 01:34:37,283
true. And

2635
01:34:38,377 --> 01:34:39,435
yeah, just

2636
01:34:41,103 --> 01:34:43,651
calm down. Yeah. And don't stress about, like,

2637
01:34:43,890 --> 01:34:45,483
what's gonna happen or what's not gonna happen.

2638
01:34:45,721 --> 01:34:48,827
Yeah. And just, like, do you. Yeah. Paying

2639
01:34:48,827 --> 01:34:51,239
your best. Be versus being the best, is

2640
01:34:51,239 --> 01:34:52,840
quite a nice way to reframe it because

2641
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:55,239
it totally changes the head space, but the

2642
01:34:55,239 --> 01:34:57,159
intent is still really positive. Yeah. It's not

2643
01:34:57,159 --> 01:34:58,199
like you're backing away.

2644
01:34:58,853 --> 01:35:00,626
Yeah. Just working out what's

2645
01:35:01,002 --> 01:35:03,547
going after you rather going after someone else

2646
01:35:03,547 --> 01:35:06,252
or... Yeah. I keep preaching that to myself

2647
01:35:06,650 --> 01:35:07,525
over the past years.

2648
01:35:08,497 --> 01:35:08,737
That...

2649
01:35:09,534 --> 01:35:12,007
And I'm preaching that to myself because it's

2650
01:35:12,007 --> 01:35:13,841
so easy to forget and and focus

2651
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:14,798
otherwise. But.

2652
01:35:16,074 --> 01:35:18,503
Yeah. I wanna be my best and not

2653
01:35:18,639 --> 01:35:20,966
the best. And maybe that's against some

2654
01:35:21,818 --> 01:35:22,533
people who like,

2655
01:35:23,487 --> 01:35:24,837
win races and they're like,

2656
01:35:26,998 --> 01:35:29,227
get pushed into a super ego mode or

2657
01:35:29,227 --> 01:35:31,137
whatever. Maybe that works for some people. I

2658
01:35:31,137 --> 01:35:31,376
don't know.

2659
01:35:32,729 --> 01:35:33,923
I feel like it wouldn't work for me

2660
01:35:34,002 --> 01:35:35,674
And and for a lot of other people,

2661
01:35:35,833 --> 01:35:36,333
but

2662
01:35:38,164 --> 01:35:40,404
like, for example, when I win national champs,

2663
01:35:40,645 --> 01:35:42,645
like, I won a few now, which is

2664
01:35:42,645 --> 01:35:44,804
cool. Yeah. And it's getting tighter, which is

2665
01:35:44,804 --> 01:35:46,818
also cool. Like, the boys I'll step up

2666
01:35:46,818 --> 01:35:47,695
big time. But

2667
01:35:48,654 --> 01:35:50,569
if my goal is to be the best,

2668
01:35:51,606 --> 01:35:54,890
and I win national champs. Yeah. Like, Goal

2669
01:35:54,890 --> 01:35:57,856
achieved. Pretty cool, but I might not question

2670
01:35:58,231 --> 01:35:59,981
what I could do better. Yeah. You know?

2671
01:36:00,777 --> 01:36:03,105
Because Yeah. I was the best. Yeah. August.

2672
01:36:03,265 --> 01:36:04,942
So we keep running. And you never, like,

2673
01:36:05,261 --> 01:36:07,735
think further. Yeah. True. And so if my

2674
01:36:07,735 --> 01:36:09,890
goal is to be the best. Yeah.

2675
01:36:10,543 --> 01:36:13,319
I might even be pleased with second place

2676
01:36:13,319 --> 01:36:15,540
because I actually did my best on the

2677
01:36:15,540 --> 01:36:17,841
day. And mh. You know, like, I think

2678
01:36:17,841 --> 01:36:18,341
it

2679
01:36:18,809 --> 01:36:21,442
if it really digest that short sentence,

2680
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:24,474
there's a lot in it, how you, like,

2681
01:36:25,351 --> 01:36:26,171
can handle,

2682
01:36:26,641 --> 01:36:29,339
both failure Yeah. And success In a better

2683
01:36:29,339 --> 01:36:31,481
way. If your goal was to be your

2684
01:36:31,481 --> 01:36:34,537
best they're not the best. Hey Because

2685
01:36:34,993 --> 01:36:36,904
who's gonna be the best comes down to

2686
01:36:36,904 --> 01:36:39,293
a couple of hundred other writers out Yeah.

2687
01:36:39,453 --> 01:36:41,444
Yeah. You can't that. Which you can't control.

2688
01:36:41,604 --> 01:36:44,087
Yeah. And that that's back to, like, my

2689
01:36:44,087 --> 01:36:45,997
biggest struggle back in the days, maybe. Yeah.

2690
01:36:46,554 --> 01:36:49,101
I can't control those, and it doesn't help

2691
01:36:49,101 --> 01:36:50,136
focusing on that. Yeah.

2692
01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:52,470
Nice. I like it, man. I was like,

2693
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:53,670
yeah, There was a lot that I'm gonna

2694
01:36:53,670 --> 01:36:54,229
think about that more.

2695
01:36:55,189 --> 01:36:56,550
Alright. Third 1, if you could have a

2696
01:36:56,550 --> 01:36:59,122
coaching session with anyone past or present, Who

2697
01:36:59,122 --> 01:37:00,553
would it be, and what would you wanna

2698
01:37:00,553 --> 01:37:00,712
learn?

2699
01:37:01,507 --> 01:37:01,905
Wow.

2700
01:37:05,323 --> 01:37:05,641
Well,

2701
01:37:07,806 --> 01:37:10,521
as anyone or most people on this on

2702
01:37:10,521 --> 01:37:12,756
on this podcast said probably a corner session

2703
01:37:12,756 --> 01:37:13,256
with

2704
01:37:13,794 --> 01:37:16,280
Yeah. But maybe that's just more of for

2705
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:18,978
watching him corner. U. Yeah. I'd I'd happily

2706
01:37:18,978 --> 01:37:20,722
watch Samurai red turns all day long, I

2707
01:37:20,722 --> 01:37:22,572
think. But I have to say it's

2708
01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:25,777
like, I've got a first row seat to

2709
01:37:25,996 --> 01:37:27,194
pretty amazing corner.

2710
01:37:27,754 --> 01:37:30,791
Most of my rights nowadays with jay. Yeah.

2711
01:37:31,190 --> 01:37:31,690
And

2712
01:37:32,084 --> 01:37:34,399
Like, like I said, I'm a massive fan

2713
01:37:34,399 --> 01:37:36,635
of the sports still, and and I feel

2714
01:37:36,635 --> 01:37:39,109
so, like, fortunate to to ride with guys

2715
01:37:39,109 --> 01:37:40,627
like Him mo, yesterday I wrote a couple

2716
01:37:40,627 --> 01:37:43,189
of laps with with Richie as well. Plenty.

2717
01:37:43,347 --> 01:37:43,847
And

2718
01:37:44,859 --> 01:37:46,211
I feel like a little kid still, you

2719
01:37:46,211 --> 01:37:47,188
know, Like I'm

2720
01:37:47,563 --> 01:37:50,364
dude, I'm really doing this. It's it's amazing.

2721
01:37:50,524 --> 01:37:51,024
So

2722
01:37:51,722 --> 01:37:53,741
I'm really fortunate in that way. But

2723
01:37:55,079 --> 01:37:57,796
or coaching session with anyone that's

2724
01:38:00,289 --> 01:38:02,449
like, that's more than just in sports. Yeah.

2725
01:38:02,610 --> 01:38:04,289
It can. Yeah For sure. So Yeah.

2726
01:38:06,130 --> 01:38:08,377
I don't know that like I'm I really

2727
01:38:08,377 --> 01:38:11,155
love sports in general and, like, all sort

2728
01:38:11,155 --> 01:38:11,655
of,

2729
01:38:12,902 --> 01:38:13,616
like the

2730
01:38:15,537 --> 01:38:17,843
the mental side of things Yeah. Within sports,

2731
01:38:18,002 --> 01:38:19,456
and there's so many great

2732
01:38:20,386 --> 01:38:21,841
sports, men and women

2733
01:38:22,613 --> 01:38:22,851
overall,

2734
01:38:23,726 --> 01:38:25,572
the sports and, like, I don't know, like,

2735
01:38:25,731 --> 01:38:27,405
people like Walter. Mh.

2736
01:38:28,841 --> 01:38:31,232
Like breaking it down to German, German speaking

2737
01:38:31,232 --> 01:38:31,949
and people like,

2738
01:38:32,667 --> 01:38:33,167
probably

2739
01:38:33,954 --> 01:38:35,858
1 of the, if not the best ready

2740
01:38:35,858 --> 01:38:36,175
driver,

2741
01:38:38,237 --> 01:38:40,140
back in the days for sure on on

2742
01:38:40,140 --> 01:38:42,776
the old Audi and like, his approach to

2743
01:38:42,776 --> 01:38:45,162
things Yeah. Such a core and real guy

2744
01:38:45,162 --> 01:38:46,354
and a technical nerd.

2745
01:38:47,070 --> 01:38:48,660
So someone like that would be really cool.

2746
01:38:48,899 --> 01:38:50,251
But then also, like,

2747
01:38:51,460 --> 01:38:53,079
I don't know. People who did

2748
01:38:53,859 --> 01:38:54,579
massive things,

2749
01:38:55,139 --> 01:38:57,319
like, for society, and

2750
01:38:58,819 --> 01:39:01,464
I don't know, like, someone like Nelson Mon

2751
01:39:01,464 --> 01:39:02,815
mandela maybe Or like,

2752
01:39:03,610 --> 01:39:05,381
I don't know if there's so many people

2753
01:39:05,994 --> 01:39:07,479
I've been reading a lot

2754
01:39:07,995 --> 01:39:10,375
about, like, second world war recently yeah. And

2755
01:39:10,375 --> 01:39:12,119
that whole time and hollow house, which is

2756
01:39:12,119 --> 01:39:12,779
a big

2757
01:39:13,151 --> 01:39:16,661
part of German history, unfortunately. Yeah. But it's

2758
01:39:16,661 --> 01:39:18,574
it's on our hands to use it wisely,

2759
01:39:19,052 --> 01:39:20,806
especially states for everyone to learn from. Right.

2760
01:39:21,284 --> 01:39:23,936
Yeah. And and there's so many

2761
01:39:24,409 --> 01:39:27,289
amazing characters and small and big stories. Yeah.

2762
01:39:27,610 --> 01:39:29,310
Who, like, stood up for

2763
01:39:29,930 --> 01:39:30,909
for human

2764
01:39:31,304 --> 01:39:34,032
Yeah. Kind and and values and

2765
01:39:34,488 --> 01:39:35,522
and they, like,

2766
01:39:36,238 --> 01:39:37,216
put their lives

2767
01:39:37,830 --> 01:39:39,899
on the line to to help others and

2768
01:39:39,899 --> 01:39:40,797
to build up

2769
01:39:41,109 --> 01:39:42,067
like, I don't know,

2770
01:39:43,582 --> 01:39:45,975
things within that time period.

2771
01:39:46,772 --> 01:39:48,128
And I feel like there's so much more

2772
01:39:48,128 --> 01:39:50,281
in in those stories sometimes to learn as

2773
01:39:50,281 --> 01:39:53,247
a human. Yeah. So... Is there any standout

2774
01:39:53,247 --> 01:39:55,002
books then from that sort of period that

2775
01:39:55,002 --> 01:39:55,481
you've been reading?

2776
01:39:57,156 --> 01:39:58,591
I don't know. That's 1 guy who was

2777
01:39:58,591 --> 01:40:00,686
a like a German pastor

2778
01:40:01,719 --> 01:40:02,760
Like, I, I wouldn't

2779
01:40:03,239 --> 01:40:05,000
I wouldn't say I'm a religious, but I'm

2780
01:40:05,079 --> 01:40:07,079
I'm a I believe. Yeah. Like I'm a

2781
01:40:07,079 --> 01:40:09,895
a believer. I'd say that. That's It's a

2782
01:40:09,895 --> 01:40:12,074
thing between my heart and got. Yeah. Not

2783
01:40:12,375 --> 01:40:13,895
about following rules and stuff like yeah yes.

2784
01:40:15,175 --> 01:40:16,055
But there's 1 guy,

2785
01:40:16,854 --> 01:40:20,950
Dietrich bon. Mh. And his life is so

2786
01:40:21,164 --> 01:40:21,481
inspirational,

2787
01:40:22,354 --> 01:40:23,543
in that time. He got actually,

2788
01:40:24,336 --> 01:40:25,843
killed by The nazis in the end.

2789
01:40:26,494 --> 01:40:27,875
But like, till the last

2790
01:40:28,414 --> 01:40:30,194
second of his life, he

2791
01:40:30,895 --> 01:40:31,635
just was

2792
01:40:32,414 --> 01:40:34,675
a a well of positivity.

2793
01:40:35,054 --> 01:40:36,210
Yeah. And,

2794
01:40:36,909 --> 01:40:37,149
like,

2795
01:40:37,710 --> 01:40:38,769
carrying good,

2796
01:40:39,869 --> 01:40:40,029
like,

2797
01:40:41,229 --> 01:40:43,869
values and and, like, against all odds. Like,

2798
01:40:44,029 --> 01:40:44,689
he was

2799
01:40:45,164 --> 01:40:47,641
really living up to, like, love enemies. U.

2800
01:40:47,961 --> 01:40:50,698
In a way that's super inspirational, Like not

2801
01:40:51,318 --> 01:40:53,495
naive. Yeah. Yeah. But

2802
01:40:53,807 --> 01:40:54,546
but just

2803
01:40:55,002 --> 01:40:56,673
out of this world almost interesting.

2804
01:40:57,230 --> 01:40:59,537
And, yeah, that's definitely a story that that,

2805
01:41:00,175 --> 01:41:01,766
touches me big time and teach me for

2806
01:41:01,766 --> 01:41:04,009
life, like, for everyday line Yeah. You to

2807
01:41:04,009 --> 01:41:04,962
send me a link and I'll stick it

2808
01:41:04,962 --> 01:41:06,391
in the show notes people can dig in

2809
01:41:06,391 --> 01:41:06,868
if they're keen.

2810
01:41:07,900 --> 01:41:09,171
Alright. Last 1.

2811
01:41:09,886 --> 01:41:11,952
Something you do every day that you feel

2812
01:41:11,952 --> 01:41:12,587
benefits you.

2813
01:41:16,500 --> 01:41:20,572
Quiet time. Okay. And a prayer? Yeah. That's

2814
01:41:20,572 --> 01:41:21,922
hard cup of coffee. It can be hard

2815
01:41:21,922 --> 01:41:23,988
to find it in a mountain bike week.

2816
01:41:24,146 --> 01:41:26,292
Right? There's a lot going on finding somewhere

2817
01:41:26,292 --> 01:41:28,357
quiet to reflect is not always straightforward.

2818
01:41:29,007 --> 01:41:30,832
I just recently added a hundred push ups

2819
01:41:30,832 --> 01:41:31,626
to it. Okay.

2820
01:41:33,054 --> 01:41:34,720
But that's a that's a different story. It's,

2821
01:41:35,355 --> 01:41:37,932
bit of a thing we started, But

2822
01:41:38,622 --> 01:41:39,732
no. But honestly,

2823
01:41:40,762 --> 01:41:41,342
I think

2824
01:41:42,666 --> 01:41:43,801
in in a life

2825
01:41:44,429 --> 01:41:46,028
but also in a in a time where,

2826
01:41:46,188 --> 01:41:48,185
like, so much is happening. Mh.

2827
01:41:49,145 --> 01:41:49,645
You

2828
01:41:50,743 --> 01:41:53,060
you have to find, like, just quiet time

2829
01:41:53,060 --> 01:41:55,702
of relax. And like not scroll. Like, quiet

2830
01:41:55,702 --> 01:41:58,110
time doesn't mean being on your phone or

2831
01:41:58,326 --> 01:42:01,109
intel. Yeah. Like, really just be quiet. Mh.

2832
01:42:01,348 --> 01:42:03,908
Maybe not not even reading something. Yeah. But

2833
01:42:03,908 --> 01:42:05,521
just like, calm down

2834
01:42:06,135 --> 01:42:06,953
and let

2835
01:42:07,646 --> 01:42:09,873
your body and, like, your your brain, your

2836
01:42:09,873 --> 01:42:10,373
thoughts

2837
01:42:11,005 --> 01:42:13,244
start being present because there's so much... I

2838
01:42:13,244 --> 01:42:13,564
feel like,

2839
01:42:14,444 --> 01:42:15,965
especially, like, as you mentioned, do you have

2840
01:42:15,965 --> 01:42:17,965
a race week sometimes and it's busy or

2841
01:42:17,965 --> 01:42:19,645
at home weeks get even busier.

2842
01:42:21,337 --> 01:42:22,475
And then you come

2843
01:42:23,411 --> 01:42:25,965
to that, like, quiet time again and you

2844
01:42:25,965 --> 01:42:28,134
just sit and you feel like, oh, Like,

2845
01:42:28,293 --> 01:42:30,369
there's so many thoughts. There so many things

2846
01:42:30,369 --> 01:42:32,046
that are on my mind, but they, like,

2847
01:42:32,285 --> 01:42:34,840
get pushed Yeah. Yeah. All the time. And

2848
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:36,516
I feel like people do that on purpose

2849
01:42:36,516 --> 01:42:39,407
sometimes because they're scared of their. Yeah. And

2850
01:42:39,407 --> 01:42:42,524
some people are scared of quiet. Yeah. Of

2851
01:42:42,524 --> 01:42:44,921
being alone. Yeah. And if that's the case

2852
01:42:44,921 --> 01:42:46,060
for you, it's

2853
01:42:46,452 --> 01:42:47,644
I think it's alarming. Yeah.

2854
01:42:48,596 --> 01:42:50,979
Because it's so healthy to be quiet and

2855
01:42:50,979 --> 01:42:51,956
to listen

2856
01:42:52,648 --> 01:42:54,449
what's happening inside of you and

2857
01:42:54,969 --> 01:42:57,922
and and process that. Mh And so would

2858
01:42:57,922 --> 01:43:00,098
you call it a meditation or not? Because

2859
01:43:00,317 --> 01:43:02,391
meditation people often think is about clearing your

2860
01:43:02,391 --> 01:43:04,402
mind. But I'm not The more I kind

2861
01:43:04,402 --> 01:43:06,236
of dig into it, I'm not convinced that's

2862
01:43:06,236 --> 01:43:08,629
necessarily the case. It's about letting these things

2863
01:43:08,629 --> 01:43:09,129
in

2864
01:43:09,586 --> 01:43:11,261
and being willing to address them and letting

2865
01:43:11,261 --> 01:43:13,588
them go again. It's not necessarily about like,

2866
01:43:13,987 --> 01:43:16,295
just sitting in there. Totally blank for 20

2867
01:43:16,295 --> 01:43:19,320
years. Yeah. I've, yeah. I think people, like,

2868
01:43:19,639 --> 01:43:20,139
picture

2869
01:43:20,515 --> 01:43:23,317
paint the picture in different ways. Yeah. As

2870
01:43:23,317 --> 01:43:24,693
we all different. But

2871
01:43:25,547 --> 01:43:27,379
yeah. You could call it meditating.

2872
01:43:28,335 --> 01:43:30,978
Your version maybe. Yeah. Yeah. But it's I

2873
01:43:30,978 --> 01:43:32,966
think it's just comes down to, like, quiet

2874
01:43:32,966 --> 01:43:36,225
time and actually be quiet. Yeah. And sometimes

2875
01:43:36,225 --> 01:43:38,609
just like, when you think when you don't

2876
01:43:38,609 --> 01:43:39,722
know what you can think of,

2877
01:43:40,693 --> 01:43:43,564
just... Yeah. Be like that. Yeah. And see

2878
01:43:43,564 --> 01:43:45,717
what happens. And and, yeah, As I said

2879
01:43:45,717 --> 01:43:46,275
for me, that's,

2880
01:43:47,233 --> 01:43:51,100
deeply connected to my belief. Yeah. So I'm,

2881
01:43:51,319 --> 01:43:52,779
yeah, to just

2882
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:55,560
for me, there there has to be something

2883
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:58,925
bigger, and and that's my foundation, you know,

2884
01:43:59,162 --> 01:44:00,274
for life, for everything.

2885
01:44:01,466 --> 01:44:04,959
That's my source for family life. Yeah. For

2886
01:44:04,959 --> 01:44:06,389
racing, for keep this running.

2887
01:44:07,118 --> 01:44:09,505
Maybe that's partly the answer of how do

2888
01:44:09,663 --> 01:44:11,334
I all do it? I don't know. Yeah.

2889
01:44:11,732 --> 01:44:12,470
Maybe it's

2890
01:44:12,845 --> 01:44:13,641
not just me.

2891
01:44:15,171 --> 01:44:15,810
But so,

2892
01:44:16,529 --> 01:44:19,242
yeah, that definitely benefits me. Yeah. What I

2893
01:44:19,242 --> 01:44:21,157
do every day. Yeah. It definitely helpful to

2894
01:44:21,157 --> 01:44:22,926
have a belief in something it doesn't have

2895
01:44:22,926 --> 01:44:24,121
to be a god. It could be like,

2896
01:44:24,838 --> 01:44:26,511
I don't know. The universe has got your

2897
01:44:26,511 --> 01:44:28,025
back or whatever it is. But... I feel

2898
01:44:28,025 --> 01:44:28,924
like we all

2899
01:44:29,301 --> 01:44:31,372
a in a way. Yeah. Like, even if

2900
01:44:31,372 --> 01:44:33,373
you... It's it's a saying, like, even if

2901
01:44:33,373 --> 01:44:35,118
you just sit on a chair, you believe

2902
01:44:35,118 --> 01:44:37,023
it's gonna hold your weight. You know? Yeah.

2903
01:44:37,181 --> 01:44:38,689
Yeah. So I think

2904
01:44:39,086 --> 01:44:40,220
whole brain is

2905
01:44:41,324 --> 01:44:41,824
designed

2906
01:44:42,597 --> 01:44:44,586
for that, you know, in a way. Yeah.

2907
01:44:44,904 --> 01:44:45,404
And

2908
01:44:46,018 --> 01:44:47,941
and even if you're like, of you have

2909
01:44:47,941 --> 01:44:48,441
a

2910
01:44:48,894 --> 01:44:51,278
good explanation how things work in the universe.

2911
01:44:51,595 --> 01:44:52,890
Universe and now how everything

2912
01:44:53,264 --> 01:44:55,966
like started. There's still... It comes down to

2913
01:44:55,966 --> 01:44:57,890
a set of beliefs Yeah. At the beginning.

2914
01:44:58,130 --> 01:44:59,107
Yeah. Because

2915
01:44:59,880 --> 01:45:02,210
you have to believe something first

2916
01:45:02,665 --> 01:45:03,675
to be there to

2917
01:45:04,271 --> 01:45:06,661
develop. It's it's a bigger topic. We can't

2918
01:45:06,661 --> 01:45:08,811
answer everything. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And

2919
01:45:10,324 --> 01:45:12,338
I don't know. That's just my way to

2920
01:45:12,729 --> 01:45:16,386
to find peace To find strength and and

2921
01:45:16,386 --> 01:45:19,408
stability and branding. Yeah yeah. And maybe it's

2922
01:45:19,408 --> 01:45:21,715
something else for for for other people. And.

2923
01:45:21,873 --> 01:45:22,564
And I have

2924
01:45:23,001 --> 01:45:25,140
like, the biggest respect for all that, Like,

2925
01:45:25,695 --> 01:45:27,914
I'm I'm not a preacher in any way

2926
01:45:27,914 --> 01:45:30,708
or something like that and wanna turn people

2927
01:45:30,708 --> 01:45:32,786
around know something like that. You know, not

2928
01:45:32,786 --> 01:45:35,283
at all, but I just tried to

2929
01:45:35,903 --> 01:45:38,632
be real with who I am. Mh. And

2930
01:45:38,632 --> 01:45:41,099
my set of beliefs for life and and

2931
01:45:41,099 --> 01:45:41,735
and my ways.

2932
01:45:42,531 --> 01:45:45,888
And I try to just live that. Live

2933
01:45:45,888 --> 01:45:48,382
that out and inspire others. And if people

2934
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:50,594
see, like, oh, that's actually cool or that

2935
01:45:50,594 --> 01:45:52,029
actually could help me or whatever.

2936
01:45:52,667 --> 01:45:54,980
I'm super happy and and grateful to.

2937
01:45:56,029 --> 01:45:57,560
To be someone who maybe

2938
01:45:58,885 --> 01:46:01,345
inspired someone else. You know? So... Yeah. Yeah.

2939
01:46:01,582 --> 01:46:03,667
That's why we're here. Yeah. That's awesome, man.

2940
01:46:03,906 --> 01:46:05,661
A really nice place to wrap up. I've

2941
01:46:05,661 --> 01:46:08,293
really enjoyed chatting, finding out a bit more

2942
01:46:08,293 --> 01:46:10,063
about you and what makes you tick. And

2943
01:46:10,301 --> 01:46:11,413
I look forward to see and how the

2944
01:46:11,413 --> 01:46:12,922
rest of the year and the and the

2945
01:46:12,922 --> 01:46:15,385
future goes for you. If if people wanna

2946
01:46:15,385 --> 01:46:17,133
follow along, like, where are the best places

2947
01:46:17,133 --> 01:46:19,136
over the Mo mo Tv. Where the best

2948
01:46:19,136 --> 01:46:21,131
places for them to to find and follow

2949
01:46:21,131 --> 01:46:23,284
you. Yep. Probably Instagram.

2950
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:27,273
My my Instagram is the most updated. K.

2951
01:46:27,671 --> 01:46:29,538
I'd say as Sexy.

2952
01:46:29,910 --> 01:46:31,655
Sexy 5 5. Yeah. I'll stick it in

2953
01:46:31,655 --> 01:46:33,876
the show no. And I just recently added

2954
01:46:33,876 --> 01:46:36,588
a lock. I started about achieve. But that's,

2955
01:46:36,667 --> 01:46:38,340
like, if you wanna watch high quality stuff,

2956
01:46:38,499 --> 01:46:40,809
you better stick to my Tv. I just

2957
01:46:40,809 --> 01:46:41,844
basically load up

2958
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:44,073
full gopro pro races. Okay because,

2959
01:46:45,124 --> 01:46:47,601
I'd do with the German Mt news. It's

2960
01:46:47,601 --> 01:46:48,880
like AAA

2961
01:46:49,119 --> 01:46:50,658
Mt platform, a arrays

2962
01:46:51,277 --> 01:46:53,844
report. Yep. And we added the visual side

2963
01:46:53,844 --> 01:46:56,651
of things. This as as Gopro footage. So

2964
01:46:56,867 --> 01:46:58,935
that kind of developed. But again, a lot

2965
01:46:58,935 --> 01:47:00,844
of people, like, jump over for more Tv

2966
01:47:00,844 --> 01:47:03,163
and actually watch my races too. So that's

2967
01:47:03,163 --> 01:47:03,719
cool to see.

2968
01:47:04,673 --> 01:47:06,738
It's in German. Yeah. We have subs, but...

2969
01:47:08,010 --> 01:47:08,699
Yeah. That's

2970
01:47:09,219 --> 01:47:11,533
that's the program for now. And if if

2971
01:47:11,533 --> 01:47:13,927
people are keen to watch me tumbling down

2972
01:47:13,927 --> 01:47:14,806
the mountain sometimes,

2973
01:47:15,764 --> 01:47:17,280
they can they can,

2974
01:47:17,694 --> 01:47:19,284
can you look up my Youtube too? Wicked.

2975
01:47:19,444 --> 01:47:20,636
Yeah. Stick links to all that in the

2976
01:47:20,636 --> 01:47:22,228
show. Yeah. Thanks Mate. Know it's a busy

2977
01:47:22,228 --> 01:47:23,659
week. So thanks for making the time. Yeah.

2978
01:47:23,898 --> 01:47:25,648
I've really enjoyed it. And yeah. We'll see

2979
01:47:25,648 --> 01:47:27,498
you around. Yeah. Same for me. It's been

2980
01:47:27,498 --> 01:47:29,176
a pleasure to be honored and,

2981
01:47:30,216 --> 01:47:32,053
see around. Awesome. Cheers mate. Cheers.

2982
01:47:35,821 --> 01:47:37,491
Alright. That's it for this episode with Sexy.

2983
01:47:37,730 --> 01:47:39,719
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