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I think we need a few more rival,

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but like, that's just, you know, like, it

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would be nice to have, like,

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a few more villains in the sport. We

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don't really have enough villains the back shots

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kind of cool, but you also don't wanna

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Champs as a butt shot like,

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Like, that's just good to very winning shot,

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In endure and downhill racing and his thoughts

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Sv martin.

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Sv martin. Welcome back to the downtime podcast

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it's been a little worse 20 19 in

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Le, and we're here again. Yeah. It's...

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Wow, yeah. That's 1 was 5 years, and

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a hell of lot has changed and hell

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of a lot stayed the same in in

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those 5 years.

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Yeah. Still riding bikes and still taking photos,

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but other than that, quite a lot of

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changing. Yeah.

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The sports changed, but also not changed, But

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we have a kid now that's yeah. That's

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been a huge. The biggest change our lives,

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is still here. We still have momentous racing,

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and I'm sure we're gonna get another...

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after this day, and,

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yeah, I hope they just storm the finish

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At, yeah. Always it's a good after pie.

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first of congratulations on comment a further. I

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think the last time we sat down was

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my wife was pregnant with our daughter,

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and then we talked a little bit about

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that. And I think you were still maybe

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not sure whether the kids was the thing

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or not, and and now, obviously, you've got

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Lil zig. In your life. Like, how have

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you found it becoming a father because it

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is a is a big change. Right? Well,

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it's a big change. It's always something we

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wanted to do, but we've kind of been

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once say selfish, but we've been... We've kind

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lived our lives, how we've wanted to live

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lives and and

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has raced and I've kind of put work

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as a priority and and

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and with just... A stolen, there was never

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a good time as with probably never have

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a good time to have. Yeah. But

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and then just as you get older, you

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know, there's big meaning of life, and

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and we we, you know, we'd kind tried

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and had a couple of close calls, shall

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just was a bit more... We a bit

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more proactive and and,

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now she's, like, 1. She's been... She was

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here last year. Mh. And now she can

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starting to talk and running around everywhere. So

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she's 1 an almost 1 and a half.

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she knows

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everyone from the circuit. She hands out with

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uncle phone, actually, like every everyone them...

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Yeah. So from Boris cigarettes. She sits in

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the porch,

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down up window of boris,

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and hangs out with all the riders and

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then, you know, we generally don't... Doesn't go

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to the finish areas it's but too.

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just like part of her life and routine.

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So you can see how these kids these

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days like the Jackson's and

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and asses grow up round bikes when they're

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growing up in the villages or towns, you

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know, be at Whistler or wherever that it's

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sort of part of their lives and normal

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that, you know, it's... They pick it up

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so quick and it's just how how how

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it is these days. Definitely. Have you got

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her own a bounce, but, yeah, she got...

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She's on like then. But before a balance

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bike, it's got 2 wheels, but they 2

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kind of wide wheels. So yeah. You can

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kind of balance, but you don't fall over

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as much. Yeah. And she's about

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tall enough to pretty much start getting on

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the smallest balance bike.

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Yeah. But she's gone the handlebars riding up

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with us in the woods and on single

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track and, well, mostly with mom. But

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and she just loves

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going like... She wants to go faster

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and she loves taking her hands off for

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when she gets on a shotgun seat, then

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it'll be harder. Yeah. But

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yeah, it's just

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Yeah. You can see how there's a whole

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industry built up run kids because literally every,

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like,

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2 months you're getting them a new thing

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when they it can do more or the

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grow our growth stuff will and especially, like,

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we just wanna keep her into skateboarding and

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surfing, like, 2 cheap sports buy to you...

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Even the kids stuff, you just like

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And then next thing they're gonna have eb

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bikes and 05:10 bikes like we all have

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and get out of hand. So

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strictly

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Bm skateboarding and surfing for zig, but firstly,

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Sure she ain't at Motorbike. As it changed

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your perspective or anything having a kid because

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for a lot of people that gives them,

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I almost a different lens to look at

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life through that and often people change how

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they feel about stuff. We

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we we'd kind of bring up the same

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things that were important to us, like,

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especially she's traveling to love the races that

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we can drive to. So

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We just want to to make sure she

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has, like, outdoor space and and grass and

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trees and nature. So

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it's essentially like all the things we've looked

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for.

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And already because always been the healthier type

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and the more mindful type. So, like, all

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of those things

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go without say, but it

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you know, obviously, it's it's

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it's

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tricky when we work on a schedule,

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luckily Un is flexible enough where she can

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put, like Zig first all times, but we've

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worked it out pretty good where I'm

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still get to spend a lot of time

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with her. Otherwise, if she didn't come to

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events, I wouldn't see her for 345 weeks

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at a time because yeah, this trip is

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6, 7 weeks back to back job. So...

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Yeah. So she doesn't come to the once

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he fly to in Fort William and and

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the Us and Poland, but I'm pretty much

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in and out most of them. Very cool.

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Yeah. And Leah Gangs go like, million parks

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slides and and nature stuff and up on

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the mountain is, like... So it's

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these mountain towns and and in Europe specifically

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is pretty

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kit out for kids. Yeah. I'm sure I

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saw a clip there, like hanging out with

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Flattered little girl or, on a tram or

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saint maybe that was the. Exactly. And I

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got on that same tram lane thinking

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once he give us off and I bounced

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And it's 1 those pit tram. Yeah. And

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when bouncing a zig wasn't bouncing hard. And

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as soon as he got off, I did

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a full bounce on my back. And I

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went underwater because the pit was actually full

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water.

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I got completely swamped like head to toe,

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like, I had to go home and change,

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but

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Yeah. It was pretty cool. We... I mean,

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shit... I've met Rachel, you know, early 2

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thousands and then worked with them from, like,

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2007

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onwards and

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that's cool a we got or a year

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or 2 behind Ar, but again honor, good

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good friends already, and

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And Tom

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as think he's got a couple of friends

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on the circuit already. Yeah. Her age and

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or nearby,

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Yeah. That's amazing. Nice, man. We should talk

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a little bit about but people really be

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like, I'm on the rad podcast club. A

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dad cast. But, yeah. I wanted to ask

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you what in your mind, like, what makes

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a good

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mountain bike image? What are you striving to

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find in, like, the perfect shot?

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Oh, she's... There's a big question,

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right off the bat.

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There's... Like, I wear many different hats, I

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would say.

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the... Without say that, there's a few elements

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that you wanna have good the composition the

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lighting the action.

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But,

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you want

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essentially you want a bit of storytelling in

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a shot, which is not which might be

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hard to capture in one's once 1 shot

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and it's maybe better capturing a series of

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shots.

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you wanna maybe put the viewer there, but

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you wanna, like,

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like I said, because I'm wearing many hats,

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there's your editorial type shots or your

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daniel action shot, you know, is it race

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aid? Do you want the winning tight

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in, like, gritty,

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white survivors,

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we'll words to the eyes eyeballs. But or

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is it in endure or someone like s

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king really where it's more about the scenery

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and location. So it's... You basically

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having

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a multitude of thoughts

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and adjustments.

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And sometimes you're taking... You can capture it

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all in 1 shot, But sometimes you're gonna,

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in 1 moment you might capture 3 shots.

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A touch shot a white shot,

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and behind the scenes shot

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But essentially, like, I want all of it

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to have some kind of storytelling.

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Yeah. I like to have a story, which

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has comes more from my sort of journalist

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standpoint or or editorial standpoint.

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But, you know, in the reality years, you

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also got a think

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you know, does it work on Instagram because

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there's 80 percent of the usage from your

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clients on Instagram. So

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so

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is there a perfect shot like yeah. There

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is, but it's, like, you need to take

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a perfect shot for every usage instance. So,

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I'd love to do

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go

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you know, Scott a location for a week

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and take...

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You know the client needs 2 or 3

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epic sun, sunrise shots and you camp out

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there and you get... Literally take

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10 shots, and you know 1 of them

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versus taking 10000 shots a day and using,

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you know, like, 500 in them a midday.

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So

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was it easy short question but this. I

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Adam Just talked in circles here. But,

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you know,

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everything to be getting correct and the style,

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everything's gotta just work, you know, the timing,

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the

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if you're a proper hardcore mountain by biker,

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okay, you also can tell very quickly if

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the ride has got bad style or shots

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as ty or

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So that's not gonna speak to you or

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you're just gonna flip it or you're not

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gonna click it You can slide it. So

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there's a lot of things that you will

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need to, you know, without thinking about they

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just got to be right.

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And, I guess,

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we don't really think about it anymore. You...

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It's kind of just second nature that's, you

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know, Yeah. But you want some kind of

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connection. Wants having to reach out and grab

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the view and stop them really? Yeah. It's

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like that's like what cover shots of magazines

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used to do. You know, they need to

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create sales and grab your attention and stand

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out from the others. So... Yeah. When you

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think about, like, this is a shot successful

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to you. Like, how do you measure that

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these days? And has that changed? Like, are

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you looking for a shot to go on

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Instagram and get a certain amount of views

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or like? Or would you be more

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interested in seeing it in print or up

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on a wall somewhere like, what?

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What for you feels like a really successful

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Okay. It's... It's... I guess it comes down

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to k. You you know... You know, you

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you have your client deliverables which you need

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to deliver a certain amount of good shots.

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It well, I'd like to deliver

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amount of good shots and options for them,

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they're riders, their c sponsors,

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the teams, the brands to use in different

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ways,

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both in

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through social media and and other. But really,

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what is... It boils down to

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who won the race or what was the

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story of the race and did I capture

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that shot? Like, it's always like we always

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have our own little

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I wouldn't say contest, but we always...

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You know, as the pressure is elevated, come

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race day, D finals or world champs is

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like, okay.

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This slope b 1. He's not a client

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to mine. I don't sheet for specialized or

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Oli or anything,

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but

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I'm myself

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I don't actually need to have a shot

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of brood? But 100 percent I need to

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Otherwise, like, why would Be doing this I

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didn't care about the sport. You know, I

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wanna have that shot for me. And if

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they've got nothing to do with it, obviously,

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it'll be nice if to used in the

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must spin summers books or your downtime books.

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But

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at the end of the day, I wanna

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have the shot that

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that best captures his race winning moment.

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But alongside that, I also want him to

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have a shot of him tying his she

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lasers that morning that he won the race.

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Mh. Or folding his Jersey the night before

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he won the race. Or pinning the number.

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His mechanic pinning the number on. So

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and you don't know who's gonna win the

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race. So you're literally going around and and

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and kind of collecting those shots. You're floating

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in and out of different people's pits and

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and clients are not client.

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You know, and just because some winds are

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more momentous than others. And

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even looking at Alm

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from Val Sol,

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I mean, I a shot of him lying

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on his back

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surrounded by other riders in and

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where did he have his big crash we

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broke his neck?

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Lens hide. Lens.

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So so I have this image? I have

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this different shots of Emery like, literally, at

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the lowest of lows,

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and they weren't sort of right to use

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then

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and

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but now that I have him gone the

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whole journey

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and having...

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I did

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was weird because and Val sole, sometimes a

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way that works out and your timing of

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going into the pits and and and not

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in the pits or the training,

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schedules and, you know, sometimes you see a

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rider a lot or sometimes you don't... And

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somehow kept bumping in and out of Emery

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a lot

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at Val soul and then inside, A lot

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more sort of

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b roll or behind the scenes some all

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more intimate stuff really.

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And

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and then it, you know, get gets the

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wind and followed through a bit of past

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and and the rest of the stuff, and

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and then let's he just walked into the

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truck, and he was sitting completely alone. And

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this as he's come back from doping and

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his...

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He hadn't had time to

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process his weren't yet, like he went from

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finish on all the interviews, the podium,

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craziness,

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the doping, and then And then obviously, when

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he get back to the pits everyone in

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the team that hasn't seen him has been

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waiting for more than an hour. And

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Got the big chair and some stuff sprayed

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in him, but then he slipped off into

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the truck, and I'm actually just wanting to

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get home and stop my work This is,

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like, I need to get working.

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And there he was in in their lounge

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in their truck and and just kind of

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reliving the moment, and it only sunk then

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where he's coming from and it's from, like,

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the the bottom or the bottom

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and not leaving him him himself even in

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even this year when he healthy and back

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racing,

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to, you know, to

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not just

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being back on the podium or or taking

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a win, but

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how he won by this type of margin

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on the conditions and the track. You know,

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it's the hardest track and the hardest conditions.

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Yet somehow, he still did it, and he

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did it in in his fashion in in

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the way he

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he does do it.

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So the question was,

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what was the

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the

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how are you thinking

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of what shot works or what?

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It's we're taking a lot of shots so

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they can use in all different ways. You

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know?

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I wanna still get a cover of a

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magazine,

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a cover on the Instagram carousel.

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But I also wanna have a book. I

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wanna have... If I wanna write a book

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in 10 years about the greatest moments in

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the last 30 years of our sport. I

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wanna have that shot and that for sure

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would be would be 1 of them as

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similar to Jackson winning in

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once ann,

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last year. But so

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I just wanna to be proud of and

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have a body of work that sort of

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does the sport justice and

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lost over time.

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And to do that, you gotta take a

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ton of shots that you'll never use it

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because you... He did the same thing with

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Benoit or Men or Jackson and they didn't

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wear you know? So usually,

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all those things you did with Armor. You've

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actually also done some of it with a

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lot of other riders. You're not just rolling

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the dyson choosing 1 ride and hoping they

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went, you know.

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At least me anyway. So... Yeah. Yeah. And

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sometimes working as a photographer the team you

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get more access, and and you spend more

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time around the ride so you get some

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cool stuff and

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Yeah. Are there particular

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images then in your back catalog that are

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favorites that stand out, Like, I'd love to

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hear maybe 1 1 or 2 stories around

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a couple of pictures that really

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resonate with you. It's so hard on the

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spot, but

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when Steve Pete,

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so I was racing when he was racing

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Ken Sonya, in fact, I was at Le

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racing 2004,

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when he up 2 seconds on Fabian. I'd

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finished my race run before him because I

542
00:19:02,351 --> 00:19:02,829
qualified...

543
00:19:03,307 --> 00:19:04,025
This is World Champs.

544
00:19:04,982 --> 00:19:07,190
So I qualified worse. I had a mass

545
00:19:07,229 --> 00:19:08,607
of over the bars and that

546
00:19:08,985 --> 00:19:09,464
there's like a...

547
00:19:10,502 --> 00:19:10,581
Anyway,

548
00:19:11,379 --> 00:19:12,337
not about my run.

549
00:19:13,375 --> 00:19:15,585
Steve, and my parents and parents were actually

550
00:19:15,704 --> 00:19:17,292
on the grass right near the finish line

551
00:19:17,292 --> 00:19:18,881
and he he went way too fast and

552
00:19:18,881 --> 00:19:19,993
just got ejected.

553
00:19:21,820 --> 00:19:23,330
So I'd been there here when he'd missed

554
00:19:23,330 --> 00:19:25,331
a lot of his wins or he's close

555
00:19:25,331 --> 00:19:27,318
seconds. Yeah. I wasn't there for all his

556
00:19:27,318 --> 00:19:28,192
battles with Nico.

557
00:19:29,861 --> 00:19:31,927
Camera fast forward. He wins,

558
00:19:33,374 --> 00:19:34,970
he had a pretty trick bike set up,

559
00:19:35,209 --> 00:19:36,486
everyone was making lights stuff. He had a

560
00:19:36,486 --> 00:19:38,640
full Daniel bike, but just had a little

561
00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,635
road red cassette. There was the only, like,

562
00:19:41,289 --> 00:19:43,207
custom week for tech camera that they did

563
00:19:43,207 --> 00:19:43,606
to their bike.

564
00:19:44,645 --> 00:19:46,482
But as it turned out, I didn't have

565
00:19:46,482 --> 00:19:47,142
the best

566
00:19:47,761 --> 00:19:50,493
race run shot. Because I... I think he

567
00:19:50,493 --> 00:19:52,171
qualified, like, I don't know. 6 or 7,

568
00:19:52,331 --> 00:19:53,689
but he didn't come down last.

569
00:19:54,409 --> 00:19:56,007
So I was making my way to the

570
00:19:56,007 --> 00:19:57,605
finish ball didn't 1 should be kent out

571
00:19:57,605 --> 00:19:58,105
there

572
00:19:58,418 --> 00:20:00,006
and I was kind of in no man's

573
00:20:00,006 --> 00:20:01,991
land when he came by. So I do

574
00:20:01,991 --> 00:20:03,738
have 2 shots of front shot and a

575
00:20:03,738 --> 00:20:05,168
back shot and the the back shots kind

576
00:20:05,168 --> 00:20:07,097
of cool, but you also don't wanna have

577
00:20:07,963 --> 00:20:09,875
your favorite shot of Steve Paid Winning World

578
00:20:09,955 --> 00:20:11,947
Champs as a butt shot. Like,

579
00:20:12,584 --> 00:20:14,576
like, that's just not your race winning shot.

580
00:20:14,736 --> 00:20:14,975
You know?

581
00:20:16,489 --> 00:20:18,889
So I kind of got 2 shots that

582
00:20:19,048 --> 00:20:19,683
I remember,

583
00:20:20,557 --> 00:20:21,295
I got

584
00:20:21,907 --> 00:20:22,701
they're late...

585
00:20:24,765 --> 00:20:25,480
Either which way,

586
00:20:26,274 --> 00:20:28,436
I got there's big scrum of people around

587
00:20:28,436 --> 00:20:31,220
him. I got their late and Isaac, and

588
00:20:31,220 --> 00:20:33,900
everyone's just cameras and this is media friends

589
00:20:34,019 --> 00:20:35,764
family, every single person in the world 1

590
00:20:35,764 --> 00:20:37,431
in Steve 1 and and any win in

591
00:20:37,431 --> 00:20:37,510
1.

592
00:20:38,541 --> 00:20:40,684
And I'd know... I couldn't get in, literally.

593
00:20:41,334 --> 00:20:42,473
So I just literally

594
00:20:42,931 --> 00:20:45,963
lay on the ground, crawled leopard crawl. Under

595
00:20:45,963 --> 00:20:47,102
2 people's legs

596
00:20:47,799 --> 00:20:49,849
looked up, and I just saw this like

597
00:20:50,128 --> 00:20:51,956
vision... There was just this crowd of people

598
00:20:51,956 --> 00:20:53,785
around him. We can pop this image up.

599
00:20:53,943 --> 00:20:55,454
I can give it you. Nice. And

600
00:20:56,885 --> 00:20:58,793
and Kinda having done a shot like that

601
00:20:58,793 --> 00:21:00,184
before, And then

602
00:21:00,803 --> 00:21:02,481
A sword wasn't gonna be a silhouette so

603
00:21:02,561 --> 00:21:03,840
I just snapped a frame and then I

604
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,077
quickly spun the exposure dial to get it

605
00:21:06,077 --> 00:21:08,735
exposed because shooting up to the sky, and

606
00:21:09,208 --> 00:21:10,645
1 of the frames of the way the

607
00:21:10,645 --> 00:21:12,581
people parted and moved, he

608
00:21:12,959 --> 00:21:14,714
was became, like, it was pretty obvious that

609
00:21:14,714 --> 00:21:15,832
he was the center of attention.

610
00:21:17,281 --> 00:21:18,020
But then

611
00:21:18,634 --> 00:21:20,327
more important, and then I got him

612
00:21:21,259 --> 00:21:21,759
specifically

613
00:21:22,134 --> 00:21:23,032
at the podium

614
00:21:23,407 --> 00:21:24,840
I was like, okay. I wonders to be

615
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:25,658
about Steve

616
00:21:26,127 --> 00:21:27,559
will challenge no 1 else matters. I put

617
00:21:27,559 --> 00:21:29,866
a tilt shift lens on, which keeps him

618
00:21:29,866 --> 00:21:31,639
in focus and Mick and

619
00:21:33,303 --> 00:21:34,899
I know Mick was second. I forget who

620
00:21:34,899 --> 00:21:35,378
was in third.

621
00:21:36,256 --> 00:21:38,730
Anyway, they were blurry, but Steve was in

622
00:21:38,730 --> 00:21:40,326
focus. And I was like, I was still

623
00:21:40,326 --> 00:21:41,934
kind of like, I didn't get that race

624
00:21:41,934 --> 00:21:44,878
with sure. I need more. And Steve Pete,

625
00:21:45,038 --> 00:21:46,629
I was gonna document him till he fell

626
00:21:46,629 --> 00:21:48,084
asleep. And I wasn't

627
00:21:48,633 --> 00:21:51,100
even working for Santa cruz then Gary Per

628
00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:51,259
was.

629
00:21:52,691 --> 00:21:55,260
So then they went to some back

630
00:21:55,874 --> 00:21:56,374
where

631
00:21:57,797 --> 00:21:59,859
Normally, we're not allowed to go, but because

632
00:21:59,859 --> 00:22:00,573
it's will champs.

633
00:22:01,367 --> 00:22:02,953
They don't really know what you're allowed to

634
00:22:02,953 --> 00:22:05,174
do. And because Australia they not used to

635
00:22:05,174 --> 00:22:07,098
so desire to wondered in and there I

636
00:22:07,098 --> 00:22:08,531
was, and there was the medals and it

637
00:22:08,531 --> 00:22:10,443
was probably between anti doping and some kind

638
00:22:10,443 --> 00:22:12,854
of press interview, but there was this quiet

639
00:22:13,389 --> 00:22:14,026
room and space.

640
00:22:15,074 --> 00:22:16,288
And Steve had literally

641
00:22:16,661 --> 00:22:18,010
just picked up the phone and he he's

642
00:22:18,010 --> 00:22:20,549
having a conversation with Dell and he had

643
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:21,049
had

644
00:22:21,992 --> 00:22:23,659
his son's name written on each of his

645
00:22:23,659 --> 00:22:24,715
loves. And

646
00:22:25,644 --> 00:22:27,629
yeah, I've got a photo of him chatting

647
00:22:27,629 --> 00:22:29,217
on the phone, like in tears,

648
00:22:29,708 --> 00:22:31,532
I was pretty much in tears taking the

649
00:22:31,532 --> 00:22:33,516
photo, and then he gave me like, a

650
00:22:33,516 --> 00:22:35,181
double n with these kids names and the

651
00:22:35,181 --> 00:22:36,585
gloves. So, like, that...

652
00:22:37,180 --> 00:22:38,926
Even again, it's a series of photos. So

653
00:22:38,926 --> 00:22:40,991
you asked me a question I went spoke

654
00:22:40,991 --> 00:22:41,888
for too long

655
00:22:42,261 --> 00:22:44,643
of a single image. It's the storytelling of

656
00:22:44,643 --> 00:22:46,888
the narrative of of those Say, 5 pitches,

657
00:22:47,287 --> 00:22:49,684
and the action photos is the worst out

658
00:22:49,684 --> 00:22:50,163
of all of them.

659
00:22:51,921 --> 00:22:53,015
You know, then there's the

660
00:22:53,690 --> 00:22:57,268
Samuel crashing at Val assault in 2008. You

661
00:22:57,268 --> 00:22:59,097
know, I don't want that to be, but

662
00:22:59,097 --> 00:23:01,244
it's time stamps of moments in the sport.

663
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:02,698
So my

664
00:23:03,328 --> 00:23:03,828
best

665
00:23:04,205 --> 00:23:07,497
photos that I remember are not actually photographic

666
00:23:08,991 --> 00:23:10,346
the photo that would end up on a

667
00:23:10,346 --> 00:23:11,963
cover of a magazine. They're not

668
00:23:13,315 --> 00:23:14,434
The ones that I like the most are

669
00:23:14,434 --> 00:23:16,994
definitely not like they're not even technically correct

670
00:23:17,075 --> 00:23:19,174
They. They might even be slightly soft or

671
00:23:19,554 --> 00:23:22,368
exposure wrong or frame wrong or So there's

672
00:23:22,368 --> 00:23:23,984
a couple of those that are,

673
00:23:25,797 --> 00:23:28,350
I guess I'm remembering events and sport, and

674
00:23:28,350 --> 00:23:30,344
then I'm thinking would... Image I have that

675
00:23:30,344 --> 00:23:33,494
going in. So I'm that's... I guess I'm

676
00:23:33,795 --> 00:23:35,795
I'm there to document the sport. Yeah. So

677
00:23:35,795 --> 00:23:37,315
it's not so much. I got this coolest

678
00:23:37,315 --> 00:23:39,795
photo because I you get as a photographer,

679
00:23:39,875 --> 00:23:41,315
and we're getting shooting a lot of photos.

680
00:23:41,649 --> 00:23:43,088
With the best riders in the world that

681
00:23:43,088 --> 00:23:43,967
some of the best venues in the world,

682
00:23:44,126 --> 00:23:45,645
we're gonna have lots of nice pretty photos

683
00:23:45,645 --> 00:23:47,163
all of us. If you're not, you know,

684
00:23:47,323 --> 00:23:49,161
like, we wouldn't be doing this or they

685
00:23:49,161 --> 00:23:49,800
shouldn't be doing it.

686
00:23:50,688 --> 00:23:51,188
So

687
00:23:51,956 --> 00:23:53,779
those images are easy to get. You know,

688
00:23:53,938 --> 00:23:56,791
there's tons of rachel assets and images which

689
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:59,580
I like super special just because I sort

690
00:23:59,580 --> 00:24:01,903
of started with that her whole

691
00:24:02,354 --> 00:24:04,676
whole and rise and, you know, from the

692
00:24:05,623 --> 00:24:07,140
late 2 thousands all the way through.

693
00:24:09,455 --> 00:24:11,052
Yeah. There's a couple of athletes I could

694
00:24:11,052 --> 00:24:12,808
just have a book on just just on

695
00:24:12,808 --> 00:24:14,325
that 1 1 athlete, you know,

696
00:24:15,058 --> 00:24:18,086
greg Rachel Steve, Sam Hill is, you know,

697
00:24:18,405 --> 00:24:19,282
through through everything.

698
00:24:21,195 --> 00:24:22,412
The and this

699
00:24:22,882 --> 00:24:25,024
shawn palmer pictures that, like, I kinda missed

700
00:24:25,024 --> 00:24:27,166
his whole era. So I always always wanted

701
00:24:27,166 --> 00:24:29,174
to get a good short palmer pitcher and

702
00:24:29,785 --> 00:24:30,919
the funniest thing

703
00:24:31,387 --> 00:24:34,165
the very first chart time I saw Shawn

704
00:24:34,165 --> 00:24:36,705
palmer person was at Mon. No. No Actually,

705
00:24:37,419 --> 00:24:38,927
so I I've seen before entire with the

706
00:24:39,007 --> 00:24:39,642
Santa Cruz camp.

707
00:24:40,452 --> 00:24:42,760
But Steve saw me were going everything God

708
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:43,954
and he's like sv jump in the Gauntlet

709
00:24:43,954 --> 00:24:45,148
live with us. So there was, like,

710
00:24:46,660 --> 00:24:48,252
still I was ready about is Steve at

711
00:24:48,252 --> 00:24:50,497
this point, but sort of like, I can't

712
00:24:50,497 --> 00:24:51,932
even though I was like, Palmer age or

713
00:24:51,932 --> 00:24:52,251
something.

714
00:24:53,448 --> 00:24:53,948
And

715
00:24:54,325 --> 00:24:56,398
and then I like start taking pictures, but

716
00:24:56,557 --> 00:24:58,073
I just see there's no battery in my

717
00:24:58,073 --> 00:24:58,392
camera.

718
00:24:59,364 --> 00:25:01,200
And I was like, fuck. I admitting this

719
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:01,758
for sure.

720
00:25:02,636 --> 00:25:04,791
And I kind of just stopped, and then

721
00:25:04,791 --> 00:25:05,988
we're getting in the gauntlet again in the

722
00:25:05,988 --> 00:25:08,316
go... And then Steve's like, And what's a

723
00:25:08,316 --> 00:25:10,225
monk? Usually you'd be taking a million first

724
00:25:10,384 --> 00:25:11,895
Like... You don't wanna get take it foot

725
00:25:11,895 --> 00:25:12,213
of me,

726
00:25:13,088 --> 00:25:14,520
I mean, like, Gun. I'm like,

727
00:25:15,886 --> 00:25:17,634
yeah. We'll when Get to the top and

728
00:25:17,634 --> 00:25:19,541
get a battery from someone in the next

729
00:25:19,541 --> 00:25:21,527
gon because I don't even have a battery

730
00:25:21,527 --> 00:25:22,958
in the car in the in the camera.

731
00:25:23,767 --> 00:25:25,037
I guess, well, palmer was like,

732
00:25:25,752 --> 00:25:27,420
he was bigger than the sport at the

733
00:25:27,420 --> 00:25:28,769
time. Right? When he stepped in, I ikea

734
00:25:28,769 --> 00:25:30,437
had such a background from other sports that...

735
00:25:30,675 --> 00:25:32,763
Yeah. When and when I was sort of

736
00:25:33,471 --> 00:25:35,961
not formative years Daniel 2003 older

737
00:25:36,416 --> 00:25:38,486
videos we watch were from, you know, trans

738
00:25:38,486 --> 00:25:40,476
continental and and handle, like,

739
00:25:41,526 --> 00:25:43,278
the circus will then circus is a bit

740
00:25:43,278 --> 00:25:45,588
later after Palmer, but, you know, there's...

741
00:25:46,623 --> 00:25:48,136
You know, he was, yeah, bigger than the

742
00:25:48,136 --> 00:25:49,592
sport and and got it to

743
00:25:49,903 --> 00:25:51,653
some levels that it needed to get to

744
00:25:51,653 --> 00:25:52,153
and,

745
00:25:52,686 --> 00:25:54,594
him and Missy missy too. She she was

746
00:25:54,594 --> 00:25:56,502
of part of that whole... That whole vibe

747
00:25:56,502 --> 00:25:58,808
and uplifting the sport into a bigger, bigger

748
00:25:58,808 --> 00:25:58,967
aid.

749
00:25:59,619 --> 00:26:02,895
And personalities. It's it's personalities and we're so

750
00:26:02,895 --> 00:26:05,552
lucky in the sport, especially Daniel. We we

751
00:26:07,065 --> 00:26:08,664
you know, I'm just watching the Toyota France

752
00:26:08,664 --> 00:26:10,345
stuff and yeah, These guys have big following,

753
00:26:10,505 --> 00:26:13,085
and and, I guess they have personalities, but

754
00:26:13,304 --> 00:26:15,065
not what we've got in the sport.

755
00:26:16,518 --> 00:26:17,415
And to have

756
00:26:17,869 --> 00:26:18,369
access

757
00:26:18,822 --> 00:26:21,127
everyone fans, you know, you can be put

758
00:26:21,127 --> 00:26:22,104
side and and,

759
00:26:22,637 --> 00:26:24,408
you know, to have a chat with low

760
00:26:24,465 --> 00:26:25,234
armor and

761
00:26:26,226 --> 00:26:27,837
all these writers have have,

762
00:26:28,368 --> 00:26:29,875
you know, are doing such a good job

763
00:26:29,875 --> 00:26:32,309
for the sport. They're not like, they just

764
00:26:32,588 --> 00:26:35,131
Yeah. They they personalities. So it's really what

765
00:26:35,131 --> 00:26:36,164
it comes down to so and we've got

766
00:26:36,164 --> 00:26:37,777
a lot in the sport right now. And

767
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:40,162
I think we need a few more rival,

768
00:26:40,457 --> 00:26:42,302
but like that's just You know, like, and

769
00:26:42,302 --> 00:26:43,259
it be nice to have, like,

770
00:26:44,456 --> 00:26:45,812
a few more villains in the sport. We

771
00:26:45,812 --> 00:26:47,247
don't really have enough villains in. We haven't

772
00:26:47,247 --> 00:26:48,784
had any real so strong

773
00:26:50,278 --> 00:26:51,235
like, Greg,

774
00:26:52,367 --> 00:26:53,961
Sam Hill and g,

775
00:26:54,679 --> 00:26:56,194
they and Fabian,

776
00:26:56,672 --> 00:26:58,904
like, they all respected each other. But they

777
00:26:58,904 --> 00:27:00,042
all were

778
00:27:00,513 --> 00:27:03,211
less friendly than the current like top 5

779
00:27:03,211 --> 00:27:05,592
guys are amongst each other. Yeah. These these

780
00:27:05,592 --> 00:27:08,052
5 or or hug and kiss each other,

781
00:27:08,211 --> 00:27:10,216
and and go for dinner that way... Yeah.

782
00:27:10,375 --> 00:27:11,194
It wasn't happening,

783
00:27:11,891 --> 00:27:14,124
you know, 10 and, 10:15 years. Yeah. But

784
00:27:14,124 --> 00:27:15,400
it is good. We don't we don't even

785
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,017
know. It's a it's a new world

786
00:27:17,873 --> 00:27:19,876
everybody's is happy. Alright. To be nice. Yeah.

787
00:27:20,114 --> 00:27:20,986
It's alright to be nice.

788
00:27:21,858 --> 00:27:23,206
Talk a bit about the technology? Because obviously,

789
00:27:23,364 --> 00:27:25,188
that's changed quite a lot. Like, are you...

790
00:27:25,346 --> 00:27:26,560
Are you able to use

791
00:27:27,028 --> 00:27:29,900
technology to your advantage, both in the process

792
00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:31,336
when you're out on the hill taking shots,

793
00:27:31,495 --> 00:27:33,090
I've seen using remote cameras and stuff.

794
00:27:33,888 --> 00:27:35,324
But also when you get back, like, in

795
00:27:35,324 --> 00:27:37,809
the editing and that side things. So the

796
00:27:37,809 --> 00:27:38,309
technology...

797
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,572
While, it has helped us

798
00:27:42,028 --> 00:27:42,846
take more

799
00:27:43,938 --> 00:27:44,438
consistently

800
00:27:44,749 --> 00:27:47,157
better or more usable or sharp

801
00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:50,154
photos. It's actually kind of shut us in

802
00:27:50,154 --> 00:27:52,403
the foot. Because say we

803
00:27:52,951 --> 00:27:55,330
shot all day on cameras that only shot

804
00:27:55,330 --> 00:27:56,598
7, 8 frames a second.

805
00:27:57,153 --> 00:27:58,660
And then the order focus is good, but

806
00:27:58,660 --> 00:28:00,191
not that good. So you're getting

807
00:28:00,578 --> 00:28:02,640
a few usable shots per sequence or per

808
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:02,957
rider.

809
00:28:03,592 --> 00:28:04,806
Now you're shooting

810
00:28:05,495 --> 00:28:05,995
15

811
00:28:06,447 --> 00:28:07,953
frames as a second, if not more,

812
00:28:08,683 --> 00:28:10,351
and nearly all those frames are shops, so

813
00:28:10,351 --> 00:28:12,020
he's spending that much time to go through

814
00:28:12,020 --> 00:28:13,291
milliseconds or moments to pick the ones.

815
00:28:14,563 --> 00:28:15,809
You know, Say you would have shot

816
00:28:16,410 --> 00:28:19,470
2000 images a day and now shooting 07/08/9000

817
00:28:19,529 --> 00:28:22,490
images a day. And of those 2000 images

818
00:28:22,490 --> 00:28:23,930
you shot a few years ago, you know,

819
00:28:24,090 --> 00:28:26,655
you'd add 200 because that's you know, now

820
00:28:26,655 --> 00:28:29,113
you shot 7000 new editing 700.

821
00:28:30,858 --> 00:28:33,420
So technology, while it's helped us

822
00:28:33,728 --> 00:28:36,829
be more reliable. It's it's definitely cost us

823
00:28:36,829 --> 00:28:37,386
a lot of time.

824
00:28:38,578 --> 00:28:41,202
There is a bit of Ai editing software

825
00:28:41,202 --> 00:28:42,974
out there. In it's early days

826
00:28:43,525 --> 00:28:45,204
I'm I'm not using any of that. I'm

827
00:28:45,204 --> 00:28:47,204
sort of I'm going frame by frame. Yeah.

828
00:28:47,605 --> 00:28:49,924
Shot by shot. You know, you're you... I'm

829
00:28:49,924 --> 00:28:52,265
not using any presets. I'm mean, I'm literally

830
00:28:52,498 --> 00:28:53,850
hitting each shot sing.

831
00:28:55,202 --> 00:28:56,792
You might apply the same a little bits

832
00:28:56,792 --> 00:28:59,258
of tweaks of of, black, some contrasts and

833
00:28:59,258 --> 00:29:01,086
and kinda of temperature and stuff to the

834
00:29:01,086 --> 00:29:03,034
same group of shots, but I'm

835
00:29:03,889 --> 00:29:05,027
editing each shot

836
00:29:05,722 --> 00:29:05,961
individually.

837
00:29:07,556 --> 00:29:08,056
So

838
00:29:08,911 --> 00:29:10,585
technology wise, yeah, the cameras are getting better.

839
00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:14,100
Internet. The most places are getting better except

840
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:16,724
in Com. We we were struggling to get

841
00:29:16,724 --> 00:29:18,712
stuff uploaded with phones and Wifi.

842
00:29:21,751 --> 00:29:23,744
Remotes and stuff. There's there's a lot of

843
00:29:23,744 --> 00:29:26,853
technology for people for press and agency photos

844
00:29:26,853 --> 00:29:28,766
like 2 d France type stuff where you

845
00:29:28,766 --> 00:29:29,266
literally

846
00:29:29,659 --> 00:29:32,397
plugged into an Ftp into your camera through

847
00:29:32,456 --> 00:29:34,773
through a little wireless modem. Okay. And you

848
00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:37,251
you've... It's streaming as you're taking it to

849
00:29:37,251 --> 00:29:38,210
an a picture editor.

850
00:29:38,864 --> 00:29:39,263
I'm not...

851
00:29:39,983 --> 00:29:42,140
I'm... I've do some jobs like that. Some

852
00:29:42,140 --> 00:29:43,978
bigger road races in South Africa,

853
00:29:44,457 --> 00:29:45,895
but I haven't actually shot for for a

854
00:29:45,895 --> 00:29:46,635
while, but

855
00:29:46,948 --> 00:29:48,774
where it's all about the agency and some

856
00:29:48,774 --> 00:29:50,045
of the red bull stuff have done in

857
00:29:50,045 --> 00:29:52,268
hard line where you're getting a shot,

858
00:29:53,698 --> 00:29:54,198
this

859
00:29:55,143 --> 00:29:56,818
Like, the Twitter France stuff talking to her

860
00:29:56,818 --> 00:29:58,812
photographer that's that's the main photographer Toyota France,

861
00:29:58,972 --> 00:30:00,806
he said, Like, if if they're getting the

862
00:30:00,806 --> 00:30:01,306
shot

863
00:30:01,763 --> 00:30:03,997
20 minutes late, it's it's old news. Like,

864
00:30:04,396 --> 00:30:04,769
that

865
00:30:05,289 --> 00:30:07,227
attack on the hill is already

866
00:30:07,926 --> 00:30:10,722
in an edited by an editor that's sitting

867
00:30:10,722 --> 00:30:13,255
off sites somewhere or in another country even

868
00:30:14,644 --> 00:30:15,144
So,

869
00:30:15,836 --> 00:30:17,980
you know, thankfully our sports, you know,

870
00:30:18,695 --> 00:30:20,522
we don't need still images. You you get

871
00:30:20,522 --> 00:30:21,260
a lot of

872
00:30:21,809 --> 00:30:23,983
video and live feeds that cover that. So

873
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,100
we can,

874
00:30:25,557 --> 00:30:27,311
you know, we can still, you know, doing

875
00:30:27,311 --> 00:30:29,464
everything you can to deliver moments or hours

876
00:30:29,464 --> 00:30:30,682
the same day. But

877
00:30:30,994 --> 00:30:32,910
And some images if someone's winning world champs,

878
00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:34,986
I can get it that image to my

879
00:30:34,986 --> 00:30:36,981
phone, do a quick edit. While I'm waiting

880
00:30:36,981 --> 00:30:38,658
for podium, they having an an image and

881
00:30:38,658 --> 00:30:40,745
quickly send a podium image at the same

882
00:30:40,745 --> 00:30:43,844
time, but so connectivity to mobile devices.

883
00:30:44,717 --> 00:30:46,306
But in the end of the day,

884
00:30:47,180 --> 00:30:49,424
you know, there's many forms of media,

885
00:30:49,825 --> 00:30:50,325
and

886
00:30:51,265 --> 00:30:53,904
a iphone clip of a moment or a

887
00:30:53,904 --> 00:30:54,404
podium

888
00:30:54,945 --> 00:30:56,644
and video or still whatever

889
00:30:56,959 --> 00:30:59,436
that comes out immediately is is can be

890
00:30:59,436 --> 00:31:02,152
more valuable than that still image, which can

891
00:31:02,152 --> 00:31:03,451
come out later because there's

892
00:31:03,910 --> 00:31:05,940
room can have all this other media

893
00:31:06,396 --> 00:31:09,582
news events. Yeah. And then the good stuff

894
00:31:09,582 --> 00:31:11,277
people can wait for or

895
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:13,581
come out later that day or wait up

896
00:31:13,581 --> 00:31:15,334
later the month or get snagged for a

897
00:31:15,334 --> 00:31:16,950
marketing campaign or something. So,

898
00:31:17,884 --> 00:31:19,102
yeah. No technologies

899
00:31:19,413 --> 00:31:20,602
help but not in the best of ways.

900
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,218
So basically get less sleep basically. Yeah. I

901
00:31:23,218 --> 00:31:24,724
wanted to ask about video actually, because it

902
00:31:24,724 --> 00:31:26,731
feels like for a long time

903
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:28,550
sort of photographers of being king of the

904
00:31:28,550 --> 00:31:30,697
hill or at a mountain bike event, and

905
00:31:30,697 --> 00:31:33,003
there's been there's such a demand now online

906
00:31:33,003 --> 00:31:34,912
for video like, I mean, we're sat here

907
00:31:34,912 --> 00:31:36,595
in front cameras and that wouldn't be my

908
00:31:36,595 --> 00:31:37,071
first choice.

909
00:31:38,421 --> 00:31:38,739
Do you...

910
00:31:39,374 --> 00:31:40,406
How do you see that? Because it feels,

911
00:31:40,565 --> 00:31:41,994
you know, people like sleeper occurrence and stuff

912
00:31:41,994 --> 00:31:44,079
have been well placed to make the most

913
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:45,519
of that, and there's more and more and

914
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:46,740
more media content

915
00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:49,039
of video content that coming off the hill.

916
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,099
Now do you see a a transition

917
00:31:52,813 --> 00:31:55,126
to some extent away from photography? I feel

918
00:31:55,126 --> 00:31:56,961
like hopefully if still photography always be a

919
00:31:56,961 --> 00:31:58,956
part of it, But is it less so

920
00:31:58,956 --> 00:32:01,995
feel now? I wouldn't say it's it's less,

921
00:32:02,154 --> 00:32:02,949
so. It's

922
00:32:03,585 --> 00:32:05,914
there's definitely more video because

923
00:32:06,607 --> 00:32:07,743
that's consumed

924
00:32:08,134 --> 00:32:09,270
and favor,

925
00:32:09,645 --> 00:32:12,112
the algorithms favor that unreal and everything.

926
00:32:12,669 --> 00:32:13,169
But,

927
00:32:13,544 --> 00:32:15,613
like, for sure, they coexist. Mh.

928
00:32:17,379 --> 00:32:19,524
If a team at only a video and

929
00:32:19,524 --> 00:32:20,318
no still...

930
00:32:20,875 --> 00:32:21,931
You know, and

931
00:32:22,464 --> 00:32:24,450
it needs a actual third component, and it

932
00:32:24,450 --> 00:32:25,903
needs that bridging component

933
00:32:26,373 --> 00:32:28,544
where you have a a social media manager

934
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:29,499
that's managing

935
00:32:29,953 --> 00:32:31,090
that content both

936
00:32:31,704 --> 00:32:35,046
professional video, professional photo and on the ground,

937
00:32:35,856 --> 00:32:36,992
like, some of the

938
00:32:38,002 --> 00:32:39,909
2 most important people I see at these

939
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:43,088
races like N and Anna that they work

940
00:32:43,088 --> 00:32:45,087
for common cell and syndicate,

941
00:32:45,959 --> 00:32:47,093
and there's a there's

942
00:32:47,861 --> 00:32:49,605
there's a couple of... There's more than just

943
00:32:49,605 --> 00:32:51,269
them doing it. Yeah. But,

944
00:32:52,315 --> 00:32:55,091
they almost have a more important role than

945
00:32:55,091 --> 00:32:56,781
me the photographer or

946
00:32:57,233 --> 00:33:00,738
the film because they managing immediate And sometimes

947
00:33:00,738 --> 00:33:02,643
they're running the athletes accounts within the team

948
00:33:02,643 --> 00:33:04,548
as well. They're they're running the brand account.

949
00:33:04,786 --> 00:33:06,135
They're running the team account,

950
00:33:06,849 --> 00:33:09,570
and they're putting the on the hill behind

951
00:33:09,570 --> 00:33:11,089
and like Lorry pulls over to talk to

952
00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:12,869
Steve and they there that that

953
00:33:13,890 --> 00:33:14,710
kind of constant

954
00:33:15,490 --> 00:33:16,470
demand for

955
00:33:17,660 --> 00:33:19,410
what the fans have got used to seeing

956
00:33:19,410 --> 00:33:21,478
what used to be kind of handled by

957
00:33:21,478 --> 00:33:23,307
the magazines or by the videos or by

958
00:33:23,307 --> 00:33:25,318
the websites like the power from

959
00:33:25,629 --> 00:33:27,862
magazines videos and websites, Those have gone long

960
00:33:27,862 --> 00:33:30,573
ago. Yeah. It's it's... And it's not even

961
00:33:30,573 --> 00:33:32,248
the brand or the team feeds where people

962
00:33:32,248 --> 00:33:34,321
are consuming the content athlete feeds, and and

963
00:33:34,321 --> 00:33:36,565
those are and obviously, by the athletes themselves,

964
00:33:36,724 --> 00:33:38,816
but then there's other people at events

965
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:40,703
that Are are doing that, Sir,

966
00:33:41,817 --> 00:33:43,348
if I but to go back to the

967
00:33:43,348 --> 00:33:45,506
original question, like, his photo or video,

968
00:33:46,145 --> 00:33:46,645
these

969
00:33:47,024 --> 00:33:48,563
hierarchy, I would say. But

970
00:33:49,182 --> 00:33:50,540
if I was starting out now,

971
00:33:51,514 --> 00:33:53,512
it would be hard to come in as

972
00:33:53,512 --> 00:33:56,468
a someone just shooting photos. Yeah. So I

973
00:33:56,468 --> 00:33:58,226
think a lot of the newcomers would be

974
00:33:58,226 --> 00:33:59,525
able to either do both

975
00:33:59,838 --> 00:34:00,338
or

976
00:34:00,712 --> 00:34:02,301
or, like, if I was a a kid

977
00:34:02,301 --> 00:34:04,526
greg them now, I would probably wanna come

978
00:34:04,526 --> 00:34:05,662
in and do it from,

979
00:34:07,243 --> 00:34:09,946
doing moving images, but the the problem with

980
00:34:09,946 --> 00:34:10,105
that,

981
00:34:13,762 --> 00:34:14,001
the...

982
00:34:14,796 --> 00:34:16,250
It's such it's

983
00:34:16,799 --> 00:34:18,231
A lot of my work is event based

984
00:34:18,231 --> 00:34:20,378
and luckily I've called the knee out from

985
00:34:20,378 --> 00:34:21,731
myself and always be a need for some

986
00:34:21,731 --> 00:34:22,947
photos, and

987
00:34:23,734 --> 00:34:25,249
so I never have to chase or keep

988
00:34:25,249 --> 00:34:27,481
looking for photo or photo work. It's it's

989
00:34:27,481 --> 00:34:28,916
sort of part of the package.

990
00:34:29,634 --> 00:34:29,873
But

991
00:34:30,829 --> 00:34:31,866
if you're doing video,

992
00:34:32,835 --> 00:34:35,376
then it's also like, how many... It's no

993
00:34:35,376 --> 00:34:37,202
longer just video because are you doing social

994
00:34:37,202 --> 00:34:38,393
video are you forming vertically?

995
00:34:39,029 --> 00:34:41,273
And are you forming that like that. And

996
00:34:41,273 --> 00:34:42,791
are you also doing a Youtube or you

997
00:34:42,791 --> 00:34:45,349
do key frame? Or you... Like, there's so

998
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:46,787
different ways and then is it gonna be

999
00:34:46,787 --> 00:34:48,385
edited? It be long form short form is

1000
00:34:48,385 --> 00:34:50,231
a getting slower where you doing real time?

1001
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:52,375
Are you doing audio or you're just doing

1002
00:34:52,375 --> 00:34:54,678
a jan and you're forming slower and releasing

1003
00:34:54,678 --> 00:34:56,266
in real time and are you using order

1004
00:34:56,266 --> 00:34:57,458
focus. Are you using focus filters.

1005
00:34:58,252 --> 00:34:58,625
Like

1006
00:34:59,380 --> 00:35:01,608
it would suck more for me as a

1007
00:35:01,608 --> 00:35:02,108
filmmaker

1008
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:05,187
to be, like, on the hill, and then

1009
00:35:05,187 --> 00:35:07,589
all you your shit's getting ripped to... Excuse

1010
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:07,748
me.

1011
00:35:08,783 --> 00:35:10,852
Getting ripped and it's been used in like

1012
00:35:10,852 --> 00:35:12,603
the most terrible way and not how you

1013
00:35:12,603 --> 00:35:15,089
shot it, but like, so the art of

1014
00:35:15,089 --> 00:35:16,684
the craft gets torn apart. But then the

1015
00:35:16,684 --> 00:35:17,722
at end of the day, you gotta do

1016
00:35:17,722 --> 00:35:19,636
a job and and how how is that

1017
00:35:19,636 --> 00:35:21,651
consumed? How is your media consumed

1018
00:35:22,028 --> 00:35:24,039
dictates how you should do it? And like

1019
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:24,119
this,

1020
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,280
people like see here that can do his

1021
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,920
big death grip form with clay porter, but

1022
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,920
then it can is equally hand of, like,

1023
00:35:31,893 --> 00:35:34,588
using a small evening phone and just forming

1024
00:35:34,588 --> 00:35:36,886
vertical for, you know, it just it's it

1025
00:35:36,886 --> 00:35:38,337
just goes back to what

1026
00:35:39,438 --> 00:35:41,028
is the story you're trying to get out?

1027
00:35:41,187 --> 00:35:43,255
Where is it being consumed and and just,

1028
00:35:43,334 --> 00:35:45,640
you know, so you have different deliverables and

1029
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,628
different way of doing the same job just

1030
00:35:47,628 --> 00:35:50,593
like photography. Yeah. I'm shooting for Instagram sometimes,

1031
00:35:50,753 --> 00:35:53,470
and I'm shooting on my phone even and

1032
00:35:53,470 --> 00:35:55,867
or even, you know, some of my best

1033
00:35:55,867 --> 00:35:57,785
work that I'm happiest with at World cup,

1034
00:35:58,025 --> 00:36:00,269
like I did an interview with finale and

1035
00:36:00,269 --> 00:36:01,384
with Emery more recently.

1036
00:36:02,498 --> 00:36:04,351
Those are the 2 moments I almost

1037
00:36:04,726 --> 00:36:06,556
like both from those 2 world cups and

1038
00:36:06,556 --> 00:36:08,402
it wasn't even me taking photos. I'm I'm

1039
00:36:08,402 --> 00:36:09,915
like, a photographer yes, but I'm more of

1040
00:36:09,915 --> 00:36:11,211
a storyteller and

1041
00:36:11,666 --> 00:36:13,578
those conversations, the 1 of the fin he

1042
00:36:13,578 --> 00:36:14,612
came to to just hang out I in

1043
00:36:14,612 --> 00:36:15,807
a hotel room and and how it was

1044
00:36:15,887 --> 00:36:17,098
Zig y I didn't even know if he

1045
00:36:17,098 --> 00:36:17,736
was visiting me.

1046
00:36:19,253 --> 00:36:20,929
And us... He was on the podium so

1047
00:36:21,009 --> 00:36:22,765
I did the interview and you never know

1048
00:36:22,765 --> 00:36:24,441
if it's gonna be a 30 second 2

1049
00:36:24,441 --> 00:36:24,941
minute

1050
00:36:25,254 --> 00:36:26,530
and then we ended up chatting for 10

1051
00:36:26,530 --> 00:36:28,842
minutes. This was Leah getting posted and taking

1052
00:36:28,842 --> 00:36:30,835
a couple of day or a day was

1053
00:36:30,835 --> 00:36:33,307
the track. Yeah. Super interesting. Yeah. So... And

1054
00:36:33,307 --> 00:36:35,077
and you never And to me, that was

1055
00:36:35,077 --> 00:36:37,233
1 of my more interesting stories I captured

1056
00:36:37,233 --> 00:36:39,228
at Leah and it wasn't even a photograph.

1057
00:36:39,388 --> 00:36:40,825
I. I didn't even take a photo of

1058
00:36:40,825 --> 00:36:41,543
him in the room.

1059
00:36:42,342 --> 00:36:43,001
An Emery

1060
00:36:44,192 --> 00:36:44,692
I

1061
00:36:45,069 --> 00:36:46,744
did the similar thing of El soul when

1062
00:36:46,744 --> 00:36:48,099
you had... But then I was like,

1063
00:36:48,977 --> 00:36:50,093
I was like, shit. I didn't even get

1064
00:36:50,093 --> 00:36:52,860
a photo of fin. So I

1065
00:36:53,858 --> 00:36:54,358
filmed

1066
00:36:54,977 --> 00:36:57,854
alm on the iphone because thinking it back

1067
00:36:57,854 --> 00:36:59,532
ahead it could get cut to a to

1068
00:36:59,532 --> 00:37:00,890
1 of my slide shows, and then we

1069
00:37:00,890 --> 00:37:03,209
into space like a slideshow from his whole

1070
00:37:03,209 --> 00:37:05,192
week with the tat we had in his

1071
00:37:05,192 --> 00:37:07,255
truck and those kind of things are are

1072
00:37:07,255 --> 00:37:08,921
kind of cool. And Also, I'm lucky to

1073
00:37:08,921 --> 00:37:09,421
have

1074
00:37:11,088 --> 00:37:12,547
the miss bin summers guys

1075
00:37:13,086 --> 00:37:14,705
take that from me. I've

1076
00:37:15,404 --> 00:37:17,402
sent them the clip. They've got my dropbox

1077
00:37:17,402 --> 00:37:18,920
at all my images of Armor from the

1078
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,610
whole week. And then I can carry on

1079
00:37:20,610 --> 00:37:22,384
with my normal work. And

1080
00:37:23,157 --> 00:37:24,670
since it's having a team behind and and

1081
00:37:24,670 --> 00:37:26,898
then so between Ben and James and Archie,

1082
00:37:27,057 --> 00:37:27,557
they

1083
00:37:27,949 --> 00:37:30,523
brought that to life through the the

1084
00:37:31,140 --> 00:37:32,975
the views. Yeah. Sort of thing that we're

1085
00:37:32,975 --> 00:37:34,731
doing on on miss Spin seventh. So... Yeah.

1086
00:37:35,304 --> 00:37:37,699
So again, it's... And then again, that's multimedia.

1087
00:37:37,938 --> 00:37:40,253
It's not video. It's not photos. It's not

1088
00:37:40,812 --> 00:37:43,526
it's it was it's Slideshow format with subtitles.

1089
00:37:43,686 --> 00:37:45,775
So it's You just kind of gotta go

1090
00:37:45,775 --> 00:37:47,370
with how the meter has been consumed really?

1091
00:37:47,689 --> 00:37:49,284
Definitely. Yeah. I've used as well Worth checking

1092
00:37:49,284 --> 00:37:50,880
out vehicle Haven't. You've got such a good

1093
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:51,916
rapport with all the riders there that it's

1094
00:37:51,916 --> 00:37:53,751
always you get some great insight after the

1095
00:37:53,751 --> 00:37:53,990
racing.

1096
00:37:54,563 --> 00:37:55,839
Do do you think we're at a point

1097
00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:58,093
yet where we've... We're, like, reaching max

1098
00:37:58,868 --> 00:38:00,782
content from a work cup It feels pretty

1099
00:38:00,782 --> 00:38:02,536
saturated. There's a a lot of stuff coming

1100
00:38:02,536 --> 00:38:05,170
out. Yeah. The... I mean, and everyone's doing

1101
00:38:05,170 --> 00:38:05,670
this

1102
00:38:06,121 --> 00:38:08,264
similar thing in terms of the athletes are

1103
00:38:08,264 --> 00:38:11,065
also doing... They trying, like, stay relevant and

1104
00:38:11,294 --> 00:38:12,405
you know, a couple of them are good

1105
00:38:12,723 --> 00:38:13,223
Youtube

1106
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:15,265
accounts as well.

1107
00:38:16,615 --> 00:38:18,680
But then again, like, you're the consumer, you

1108
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,447
can pick or choose who you following who

1109
00:38:20,447 --> 00:38:23,260
you're consuming from what you're viewing and and

1110
00:38:24,036 --> 00:38:25,072
but then at the same time,

1111
00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:27,625
even though we have live feeds, and this

1112
00:38:27,625 --> 00:38:29,140
goes especially true for End,

1113
00:38:30,034 --> 00:38:32,029
without some of that athlete content or maybe

1114
00:38:32,029 --> 00:38:34,185
some of our content, the story wouldn't be

1115
00:38:34,185 --> 00:38:36,340
getting out there, you know? Yeah. And maybe

1116
00:38:36,340 --> 00:38:37,698
that's also why I'm looking for the stories

1117
00:38:37,698 --> 00:38:39,628
within the story or the story behind story

1118
00:38:39,628 --> 00:38:42,177
to to... Obviously, the... There's a live stream

1119
00:38:42,177 --> 00:38:44,009
everyone sees what happens in the race and

1120
00:38:44,009 --> 00:38:46,239
and or some people see what happens in

1121
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,445
the race. But there's a lot of

1122
00:38:49,597 --> 00:38:51,980
stories are are untold or little bit... We...

1123
00:38:52,218 --> 00:38:53,965
Even now, even at the done you can

1124
00:38:53,965 --> 00:38:55,952
build a bit more personalities they can build

1125
00:38:55,952 --> 00:38:56,960
up you can

1126
00:38:57,476 --> 00:38:59,382
lot more depth with these athletes that offer

1127
00:38:59,382 --> 00:39:01,051
a lot more that could be exposed or

1128
00:39:01,051 --> 00:39:03,117
used a bit a bit better or bit

1129
00:39:03,117 --> 00:39:03,275
more.

1130
00:39:04,244 --> 00:39:06,881
And obviously, the whole side of things, any

1131
00:39:06,881 --> 00:39:07,860
additional storytelling

1132
00:39:08,479 --> 00:39:10,477
or insight you can give, you know, we'll

1133
00:39:10,477 --> 00:39:12,890
we'll go huge into getting that sort of...

1134
00:39:13,130 --> 00:39:14,890
Yeah. Story of the race that message or

1135
00:39:14,890 --> 00:39:16,809
where we are out. Yeah. I guess there's

1136
00:39:16,809 --> 00:39:18,650
a level for everyone right depends how into

1137
00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:20,010
the sport you are. If you if you're

1138
00:39:20,010 --> 00:39:22,259
a passing fan, you can watch a highlights

1139
00:39:22,259 --> 00:39:24,166
video if you're fairly into it, you can

1140
00:39:24,166 --> 00:39:25,518
watch the broadcast. And then if you want

1141
00:39:25,518 --> 00:39:27,766
more, you can delve into all sorts of

1142
00:39:27,982 --> 00:39:30,546
vlogs and podcasts an imagery and video and

1143
00:39:30,546 --> 00:39:32,063
yes there's a lot out there. You can

1144
00:39:32,063 --> 00:39:34,378
go deep and what what is worrying though

1145
00:39:34,378 --> 00:39:36,294
like, for some of the cool fans. Sometimes

1146
00:39:36,294 --> 00:39:38,391
it's quite hard to see the main product

1147
00:39:38,783 --> 00:39:41,014
and the replay and the live feeds or

1148
00:39:41,014 --> 00:39:42,686
there's quite a few countries where I've heard

1149
00:39:42,686 --> 00:39:43,186
the

1150
00:39:43,961 --> 00:39:46,048
the finals are suddenly last minute bumped and

1151
00:39:46,048 --> 00:39:47,405
then they have a darts or a sneaker

1152
00:39:47,405 --> 00:39:49,799
contest shown and then your life feeder was

1153
00:39:49,799 --> 00:39:51,794
a replay. And then if you're sitting in

1154
00:39:51,794 --> 00:39:53,231
the country, and you don't have an alternate,

1155
00:39:54,042 --> 00:39:54,360
you know,

1156
00:39:55,868 --> 00:39:57,536
it's a a tricky 1 out there. Yeah.

1157
00:39:57,695 --> 00:39:58,806
It's okay if you're at home and you

1158
00:39:58,806 --> 00:40:00,474
got your usual way of of,

1159
00:40:01,919 --> 00:40:03,993
of watching the racing. But if you're traveling

1160
00:40:03,993 --> 00:40:05,210
a bit, some friends

1161
00:40:05,987 --> 00:40:07,422
from the Uk and they got their package

1162
00:40:07,422 --> 00:40:09,257
but now then in Sweden it doesn't work

1163
00:40:09,257 --> 00:40:11,411
because they're as geo based and... Yeah.

1164
00:40:12,143 --> 00:40:13,818
There's no... There's no 1 place to go

1165
00:40:13,818 --> 00:40:15,015
get it to make it nice and simple,

1166
00:40:15,094 --> 00:40:17,088
like, last year. There was like Gcn

1167
00:40:17,806 --> 00:40:20,438
Least core consumer, you could find your replay

1168
00:40:20,438 --> 00:40:22,050
there you can find anything there. So it'd

1169
00:40:22,050 --> 00:40:23,650
be nice to see that again or even

1170
00:40:23,650 --> 00:40:25,329
the riders sometimes they struggle to find their

1171
00:40:25,329 --> 00:40:26,769
runs and show their race runs.

1172
00:40:27,409 --> 00:40:29,730
You know, it it can be done, but

1173
00:40:29,730 --> 00:40:30,505
even the rebel

1174
00:40:30,862 --> 00:40:32,528
website at times was quite hard to navigate

1175
00:40:32,528 --> 00:40:33,584
search. So it's

1176
00:40:34,275 --> 00:40:35,012
there's no

1177
00:40:35,385 --> 00:40:37,608
what's silver bullet and everything. Yeah. There isn't

1178
00:40:37,608 --> 00:40:39,137
for sure. Yeah. So we've seen a lot,

1179
00:40:39,297 --> 00:40:41,373
obviously changes in technology change in the media

1180
00:40:41,373 --> 00:40:43,708
landscape. And then, like you say changes in

1181
00:40:43,767 --> 00:40:45,284
in kind of the racing over the last

1182
00:40:45,284 --> 00:40:47,040
couple of years since the warner brothers takeover.

1183
00:40:47,692 --> 00:40:49,541
Yeah, I'm keen to hear your thoughts on

1184
00:40:50,152 --> 00:40:52,136
what's gone on so far, like, the last

1185
00:40:52,136 --> 00:40:53,723
couple of years and where things are heading.

1186
00:40:54,929 --> 00:40:55,727
So there's there's

1187
00:40:57,004 --> 00:40:57,983
things that or,

1188
00:40:58,441 --> 00:40:59,798
have continuously, like,

1189
00:41:01,394 --> 00:41:02,911
just when you thought the racing couldn't get

1190
00:41:02,911 --> 00:41:04,438
more intense the last time we spoke in

1191
00:41:04,438 --> 00:41:05,313
2019.

1192
00:41:06,268 --> 00:41:09,450
Was a 2019 here when when Emery won,

1193
00:41:09,529 --> 00:41:10,999
and that was the first huge.

1194
00:41:11,535 --> 00:41:13,788
Yeah. Yeah. That was. So,

1195
00:41:14,324 --> 00:41:16,873
like you just... With those sites we'd never

1196
00:41:16,873 --> 00:41:18,706
seen before, and the racing was as good

1197
00:41:18,706 --> 00:41:20,275
as it could possibly ever be

1198
00:41:20,632 --> 00:41:22,303
But every year we see those moments again

1199
00:41:22,303 --> 00:41:23,735
and again. And the racing is even tighter

1200
00:41:23,735 --> 00:41:26,223
and even faster even better. So so

1201
00:41:27,728 --> 00:41:30,041
And then with the switch to Warner brothers,

1202
00:41:30,201 --> 00:41:31,738
there's definitely a whole lot of

1203
00:41:32,195 --> 00:41:34,768
they've elevated the sport in a lot of

1204
00:41:34,907 --> 00:41:35,465
good ways.

1205
00:41:37,554 --> 00:41:40,186
The presentation, everything's a bit more professional and

1206
00:41:40,186 --> 00:41:41,860
slick. And I'm just talking about, like, the...

1207
00:41:44,173 --> 00:41:45,130
When you show up to in the event,

1208
00:41:45,290 --> 00:41:46,805
It does look like it's sort of

1209
00:41:49,362 --> 00:41:51,664
just step up in in terms of, like...

1210
00:41:52,855 --> 00:41:54,943
Yeah. The brand in the sign. Is just

1211
00:41:55,157 --> 00:41:58,282
connotation of Yeah. But then sometimes that's come

1212
00:41:58,282 --> 00:42:01,019
at a price. And and there's been a

1213
00:42:02,517 --> 00:42:03,976
tracks side as a spectator

1214
00:42:04,927 --> 00:42:06,122
there's a lot of... If you look at

1215
00:42:06,122 --> 00:42:08,432
a finnish bowl picture from 2019 Fort William.

1216
00:42:08,911 --> 00:42:11,221
From the visit Scotland Arch, which it's just

1217
00:42:11,221 --> 00:42:12,894
sadly no longer there, and that's a tradition

1218
00:42:12,894 --> 00:42:14,902
of the sport, it was been the Tis

1219
00:42:14,902 --> 00:42:17,295
arch. It's been the Gru arch. No. Maybe

1220
00:42:17,295 --> 00:42:18,172
4 all william them don't have had a

1221
00:42:18,251 --> 00:42:20,166
Gru arch, but it's been many different things

1222
00:42:20,166 --> 00:42:22,399
and Scotland for the last few years. And

1223
00:42:22,399 --> 00:42:23,436
to not have an arch.

1224
00:42:24,486 --> 00:42:27,271
Was just sec of my opinion. But the

1225
00:42:27,271 --> 00:42:27,829
worse than that,

1226
00:42:30,057 --> 00:42:31,807
I don't know what they smoothed out the

1227
00:42:31,807 --> 00:42:33,103
finish, but somehow

1228
00:42:33,574 --> 00:42:35,891
All spectators removed from both sides of the

1229
00:42:35,891 --> 00:42:37,650
track... Long time ago the... From the right

1230
00:42:37,650 --> 00:42:40,126
side of the track was kept free because

1231
00:42:40,126 --> 00:42:42,138
you've... Because they're crossing the track. But we

1232
00:42:42,138 --> 00:42:43,436
used to have this huge

1233
00:42:43,973 --> 00:42:45,829
sort of finish areas where the

1234
00:42:46,846 --> 00:42:49,652
fan spectators would line the course. But in

1235
00:42:49,652 --> 00:42:51,327
in a safe way in safe sections, they're

1236
00:42:51,327 --> 00:42:53,720
all still with B zone. And increasingly,

1237
00:42:54,278 --> 00:42:56,830
the fans are being kept away from the

1238
00:42:56,830 --> 00:42:58,559
track. And from the finished bowls

1239
00:42:58,920 --> 00:42:59,960
have got bigger,

1240
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:01,500
but

1241
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,400
they've got wider and there they've made it

1242
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,739
less personal. There's less. I I wouldn't say

1243
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,579
because you don't need intimacy, but

1244
00:43:08,773 --> 00:43:09,912
if you're not surrounded

1245
00:43:10,290 --> 00:43:13,244
by people, you'd lose that vibe and it

1246
00:43:13,244 --> 00:43:15,638
doesn't resonate through and it doesn't translate as

1247
00:43:15,638 --> 00:43:17,646
well to the lab as the last 3

1248
00:43:17,646 --> 00:43:20,904
4 events. We've had lower spectator numbers than

1249
00:43:20,904 --> 00:43:22,516
than at any world cup

1250
00:43:22,970 --> 00:43:25,195
previously at those at those venues.

1251
00:43:26,084 --> 00:43:27,936
A lot of it has been due to

1252
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:30,539
quite bad weather the forecast. This this is...

1253
00:43:30,857 --> 00:43:32,447
As everyone knows has been the worst summer

1254
00:43:32,447 --> 00:43:35,009
in Europe. In in living memory. Yeah. This

1255
00:43:35,009 --> 00:43:36,521
is there's... We haven't and see in summer.

1256
00:43:37,794 --> 00:43:40,101
So that's part in parcel, but also,

1257
00:43:40,833 --> 00:43:42,585
Your show up Event is quite expensive to

1258
00:43:42,585 --> 00:43:44,496
go spec some events, some some are free.

1259
00:43:46,089 --> 00:43:47,682
But then you can't even access a lot

1260
00:43:47,682 --> 00:43:49,116
of the track or the B zones are

1261
00:43:49,116 --> 00:43:49,409
taped

1262
00:43:49,929 --> 00:43:50,429
la

1263
00:43:50,888 --> 00:43:51,947
far too wide

1264
00:43:52,886 --> 00:43:53,865
and you

1265
00:43:54,404 --> 00:43:56,003
at what point do you not come back

1266
00:43:56,003 --> 00:43:58,081
to an event to watch because you can't

1267
00:43:58,081 --> 00:44:00,253
even, you know, see the and be hanging

1268
00:44:00,253 --> 00:44:02,651
over the track and having wheels flying by

1269
00:44:02,651 --> 00:44:05,229
your head. We don't need that. But

1270
00:44:06,007 --> 00:44:07,846
you can definitely have a compromise and even

1271
00:44:07,846 --> 00:44:09,617
the finish area the the the hot seat,

1272
00:44:09,696 --> 00:44:11,208
the riders are so far removed.

1273
00:44:11,924 --> 00:44:13,913
And as the rider crosses the line, he's

1274
00:44:13,913 --> 00:44:16,085
whisk away. He doesn't even have

1275
00:44:17,352 --> 00:44:19,904
minute to celebrate or if especially if the

1276
00:44:19,904 --> 00:44:21,898
rider has already crossed a lot earlier and

1277
00:44:21,898 --> 00:44:24,371
he was 1 of the earlier finishes. We

1278
00:44:24,371 --> 00:44:25,806
don't ever seem again. He doesn't come back

1279
00:44:25,806 --> 00:44:27,579
to the finish bowl. The crowd doesn't seem

1280
00:44:27,579 --> 00:44:29,500
them. It's like a big massive anti climax.

1281
00:44:29,659 --> 00:44:31,659
The media doesn't see him. We can barely

1282
00:44:31,659 --> 00:44:33,340
see him in the hot seat because they're

1283
00:44:33,340 --> 00:44:35,840
elevated and they hidden behind these big screens

1284
00:44:36,233 --> 00:44:38,539
and then there's massive arch, which... So basically

1285
00:44:38,539 --> 00:44:39,016
effectively...

1286
00:44:39,414 --> 00:44:40,391
And you've got

1287
00:44:41,004 --> 00:44:42,276
12:15

1288
00:44:42,276 --> 00:44:43,548
feet, if not more,

1289
00:44:44,359 --> 00:44:47,420
just taken up sort of unnecessarily, and sometimes

1290
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,039
placed in the only logical place to view

1291
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:51,559
the finish line as as a media or

1292
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:52,519
film or a photographer,

1293
00:44:55,255 --> 00:44:58,215
but that said, they are working increasingly with

1294
00:44:58,215 --> 00:45:00,055
us to help tweak those areas. That's good.

1295
00:45:00,295 --> 00:45:02,146
So that we care work. But Yeah. There's

1296
00:45:02,146 --> 00:45:02,964
a lot of

1297
00:45:05,411 --> 00:45:07,322
there's a lot of emphasis and, I guess

1298
00:45:07,322 --> 00:45:09,313
rightly so because then 1 of brothers in

1299
00:45:09,313 --> 00:45:11,641
discovery and business of putting on a good

1300
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,338
Tv package. But

1301
00:45:14,036 --> 00:45:16,110
a lot of... Unfortunately, some of the time,

1302
00:45:16,350 --> 00:45:20,034
it's at the expense of the on... Live

1303
00:45:20,034 --> 00:45:21,705
viewing experience for spectators.

1304
00:45:22,978 --> 00:45:25,525
Poland had a big finish area and spectators

1305
00:45:25,525 --> 00:45:27,197
were kept out of unless they paid to

1306
00:45:27,197 --> 00:45:29,443
get the Vip stand, which set pretty much

1307
00:45:29,443 --> 00:45:29,523
empty.

1308
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:31,517
We can even go up and take a

1309
00:45:31,517 --> 00:45:34,390
photo from that V stand, which was almost

1310
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:37,034
empty. So there was no, like could vibe

1311
00:45:37,034 --> 00:45:38,700
at the finish area. Yeah. Yeah. And there

1312
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:41,000
was a great racing in Poland amazing racing.

1313
00:45:41,556 --> 00:45:42,056
So

1314
00:45:42,587 --> 00:45:43,325
I think

1315
00:45:44,509 --> 00:45:44,748
there's...

1316
00:45:45,702 --> 00:45:47,931
But every year, they've been improving everything, and

1317
00:45:47,931 --> 00:45:50,715
they noticing when things can be done better.

1318
00:45:51,286 --> 00:45:53,350
And and even just this year now, we

1319
00:45:53,350 --> 00:45:55,572
have sort of 2 or 3 dedicated media

1320
00:45:55,572 --> 00:45:56,072
personnel

1321
00:45:56,445 --> 00:45:59,795
that Lia and interacts with us working press

1322
00:45:59,795 --> 00:46:01,224
be photographers of farmers,

1323
00:46:02,019 --> 00:46:03,766
helping us do our job better and making

1324
00:46:03,766 --> 00:46:06,943
things easier and getting feedback on those shooting

1325
00:46:06,943 --> 00:46:09,128
positions, but, you know, there's there's

1326
00:46:10,304 --> 00:46:12,139
there's always more that can be done. And,

1327
00:46:12,777 --> 00:46:14,612
obviously, this is not, you know, there's only

1328
00:46:14,612 --> 00:46:15,650
so much that can be done as well.

1329
00:46:16,063 --> 00:46:18,635
From a from an event organized standpoint. But

1330
00:46:19,568 --> 00:46:19,807
I just...

1331
00:46:20,684 --> 00:46:21,901
I I just

1332
00:46:22,356 --> 00:46:24,109
we see way things can be better, and

1333
00:46:24,109 --> 00:46:24,609
and

1334
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:27,239
I also said it can't be a thorn

1335
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,639
in the side whether the event organizer or

1336
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:31,880
or a thing. I'd I just want the

1337
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,559
sport to be good for both the fans,

1338
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:34,280
the races,

1339
00:46:34,694 --> 00:46:37,565
and us media and people, especially on... You

1340
00:46:37,565 --> 00:46:40,118
know, you don't wanna alienate those those people.

1341
00:46:40,357 --> 00:46:42,192
Yeah. Like, fort william were used to getting

1342
00:46:42,192 --> 00:46:43,707
10, 15000. I don't even think we had

1343
00:46:43,707 --> 00:46:44,186
5000.

1344
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:46,840
K. Leah gang, we didn't finish the finish

1345
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,079
ball.

1346
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:50,119
Then Joe this weekend in Come was, like,

1347
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:50,760
quite quiet.

1348
00:46:52,695 --> 00:46:55,255
So there's obviously some things could be done

1349
00:46:55,255 --> 00:46:57,574
better from some standpoint, You know? How do

1350
00:46:57,574 --> 00:46:58,934
you feel about the lack of race tape

1351
00:46:58,934 --> 00:47:01,501
does that help from a perspective. When we

1352
00:47:01,501 --> 00:47:02,936
got an End endure now, and they type

1353
00:47:02,936 --> 00:47:05,326
of, you know, corners as as they... End

1354
00:47:05,326 --> 00:47:06,442
endure if you can just gave them polls,

1355
00:47:06,601 --> 00:47:08,451
these guys be out the polls. Give them

1356
00:47:08,451 --> 00:47:09,887
a half a chance. It there's no marshall

1357
00:47:09,887 --> 00:47:10,925
there'd be 3 poles.

1358
00:47:11,643 --> 00:47:14,277
So race tape sadly still needed in in

1359
00:47:14,277 --> 00:47:16,597
euro, not at like, cra like stone king

1360
00:47:16,597 --> 00:47:16,835
rally,

1361
00:47:17,628 --> 00:47:19,531
with bit more the spirit of endurance followed.

1362
00:47:20,324 --> 00:47:20,562
But

1363
00:47:21,672 --> 00:47:22,807
it's so hard

1364
00:47:23,512 --> 00:47:25,260
imagining how it is to shoot a world

1365
00:47:25,260 --> 00:47:26,373
cup with tape. Like,

1366
00:47:27,168 --> 00:47:28,598
it's only been like the 2 years with

1367
00:47:28,598 --> 00:47:29,892
these poles and and

1368
00:47:30,918 --> 00:47:32,432
And also when they suggested polls, I was

1369
00:47:32,432 --> 00:47:34,264
like, that'll will never work. Yeah, I think

1370
00:47:34,264 --> 00:47:35,460
we all when I know, a good luck

1371
00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:37,871
of that. Yeah. And it's it's working

1372
00:47:38,262 --> 00:47:40,331
fine Perfectly. Like, I think we have almost

1373
00:47:40,331 --> 00:47:43,512
less incidents than people cutting the course accidentally

1374
00:47:43,512 --> 00:47:46,077
than than we've had before. Also because we

1375
00:47:46,077 --> 00:47:47,353
have more of the track shown on the

1376
00:47:47,353 --> 00:47:48,471
live feeder, which is also good.

1377
00:47:49,348 --> 00:47:50,785
So the polls have been amazing. Yeah.

1378
00:47:51,902 --> 00:47:53,828
Now and then they and then worst possible

1379
00:47:53,828 --> 00:47:55,577
spot as a photographer, but literally, you, you

1380
00:47:55,577 --> 00:47:57,881
know, you you you you have quite a

1381
00:47:57,881 --> 00:47:59,335
few kilometers track issue

1382
00:48:00,027 --> 00:48:02,434
because as much as we'd like to move

1383
00:48:02,434 --> 00:48:03,414
the pole like

1384
00:48:04,031 --> 00:48:05,627
2 feet, so we get a better photo.

1385
00:48:06,186 --> 00:48:07,861
They they do need to be at certain

1386
00:48:07,861 --> 00:48:09,870
intervals to keep the flow of the track

1387
00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:12,044
and opposing poles and and

1388
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:14,014
basically, the right stool or using it as

1389
00:48:14,014 --> 00:48:16,326
sighting and Yeah. Yeah. Track boundaries. So we

1390
00:48:16,326 --> 00:48:18,748
we avoid touching the poles that we definitely

1391
00:48:18,805 --> 00:48:20,791
used in old days like, move the tape

1392
00:48:20,791 --> 00:48:22,141
up and down, you know, and then forget

1393
00:48:22,141 --> 00:48:24,461
to move back up and down. It's Jorge

1394
00:48:24,541 --> 00:48:26,927
Who's now the marketing guy at Mon Ae

1395
00:48:26,927 --> 00:48:29,313
used to hate us for him rightly slow.

1396
00:48:29,632 --> 00:48:30,188
Exactly so.

1397
00:48:30,999 --> 00:48:32,670
But we can laugh about it now. But

1398
00:48:33,068 --> 00:48:34,842
so the polls of the Gods sent and,

1399
00:48:35,615 --> 00:48:37,047
and it it just looks good on on

1400
00:48:37,047 --> 00:48:38,025
the on the

1401
00:48:38,893 --> 00:48:40,246
just good lie feed and looks good in

1402
00:48:40,246 --> 00:48:41,599
the photos makes our job easier.

1403
00:48:42,793 --> 00:48:43,907
Some of the writers said it was hard

1404
00:48:43,907 --> 00:48:45,419
to get used to it at first, but

1405
00:48:45,817 --> 00:48:46,056
yeah.

1406
00:48:46,867 --> 00:48:49,016
Yeah. Looks cool. Because problem problem with tape,

1407
00:48:49,494 --> 00:48:51,245
if you have a problem spot, you got

1408
00:48:51,245 --> 00:48:53,872
a marshall that doesn't actually have enough reserve

1409
00:48:53,872 --> 00:48:55,643
tape, you just have knots and then they

1410
00:48:55,643 --> 00:48:56,921
put a double row tape and there's more

1411
00:48:56,921 --> 00:48:58,998
knots and more knots. So the nail is

1412
00:48:58,998 --> 00:49:00,276
part of the track where you tend to

1413
00:49:00,276 --> 00:49:02,284
shoot has got a bunch of tape with

1414
00:49:02,284 --> 00:49:03,793
the 20 knots in it, and they're just

1415
00:49:03,793 --> 00:49:06,812
hanging. The branding upside down. It just doesn't

1416
00:49:06,812 --> 00:49:09,196
look good on anybody. Yeah. Like, you always

1417
00:49:09,196 --> 00:49:10,885
want the event to look it is professional.

1418
00:49:11,045 --> 00:49:12,824
So you want, you know, everything to look

1419
00:49:12,965 --> 00:49:15,684
professional, So tape never did look professional. Yeah.

1420
00:49:16,005 --> 00:49:17,684
Good stuff. How about more rounds? We hear...

1421
00:49:17,844 --> 00:49:19,605
We hear rumors of quite a few more

1422
00:49:19,605 --> 00:49:21,870
rounds potentially. So I had 13

1423
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,549
rounds were presented to the teams,

1424
00:49:25,820 --> 00:49:26,854
plus world champs 14.

1425
00:49:28,061 --> 00:49:29,277
But realistically,

1426
00:49:29,891 --> 00:49:32,436
also heard from the teams that while that

1427
00:49:32,436 --> 00:49:33,948
might be an ideal number to get to,

1428
00:49:34,107 --> 00:49:36,195
it's It's a hundred percent not feasible to

1429
00:49:36,195 --> 00:49:37,811
do it within a year. From a budget

1430
00:49:37,869 --> 00:49:40,821
perspective. Yeah. Because that's almost doubling your budget.

1431
00:49:40,980 --> 00:49:42,894
That's almost doubled. So you gotta pay the

1432
00:49:42,894 --> 00:49:45,220
riders double could pay staff double your flights

1433
00:49:45,220 --> 00:49:47,446
to w or everything available. And it's at

1434
00:49:47,446 --> 00:49:48,161
this time of the year,

1435
00:49:49,115 --> 00:49:51,341
we, you know, budgets are pretty much done

1436
00:49:51,341 --> 00:49:52,852
for next year I would... I for the

1437
00:49:52,852 --> 00:49:55,329
most part, You know? And it's also not

1438
00:49:55,329 --> 00:49:57,075
the best time in the industry to double.

1439
00:49:57,313 --> 00:49:57,813
So

1440
00:49:58,424 --> 00:50:00,567
I could realistically see a up to maybe

1441
00:50:00,567 --> 00:50:02,495
9 events later here and then double digits

1442
00:50:03,441 --> 00:50:03,998
a lady,

1443
00:50:05,033 --> 00:50:07,819
but sadly, I don't think I saw any...

1444
00:50:08,296 --> 00:50:09,889
At least not for next year. I didn't

1445
00:50:09,889 --> 00:50:10,627
see any

1446
00:50:11,255 --> 00:50:12,312
signed it. There's no

1447
00:50:12,925 --> 00:50:15,071
New Zealand Or Australia or South africa liquid.

1448
00:50:15,310 --> 00:50:17,456
This is Diet Dany I'm talking about. There's

1449
00:50:17,456 --> 00:50:19,882
no South America. So those, hopefully,

1450
00:50:20,259 --> 00:50:22,971
when we do get to double digit races.

1451
00:50:23,290 --> 00:50:24,168
Yeah. 10 plus.

1452
00:50:25,763 --> 00:50:27,597
And this doesn't seem and the calendar it

1453
00:50:27,597 --> 00:50:29,837
didn't look like it was like a whistler

1454
00:50:29,837 --> 00:50:31,501
option, and it didn't look like there was

1455
00:50:31,501 --> 00:50:33,244
another North America. It seem like it might

1456
00:50:33,244 --> 00:50:34,274
only still be months.

1457
00:50:34,828 --> 00:50:35,328
But

1458
00:50:36,587 --> 00:50:38,647
like nothing's official. Nothing's out. I was just

1459
00:50:38,647 --> 00:50:40,708
kind of filling in the dots with what

1460
00:50:40,708 --> 00:50:42,927
dates and what months events are usually. Yeah.

1461
00:50:43,419 --> 00:50:45,411
But for sure, without a doubt, we should

1462
00:50:45,411 --> 00:50:48,279
have, like, an Australia or New Zealand or

1463
00:50:48,279 --> 00:50:50,191
both or if you're flying all that way,

1464
00:50:50,829 --> 00:50:51,546
2 world cups,

1465
00:50:54,029 --> 00:50:55,063
you know, 2 in new Zealand or 2

1466
00:50:55,063 --> 00:50:56,257
in Australia or 1 in new zealand or

1467
00:50:56,495 --> 00:50:58,722
Australia, like they did with Aws and and

1468
00:50:58,722 --> 00:51:00,646
it's the same. I mean, chris ball did

1469
00:51:00,646 --> 00:51:02,393
do that with Aws. When went to Chile,

1470
00:51:02,552 --> 00:51:04,300
we didn't just go Tell you, We went

1471
00:51:04,300 --> 00:51:06,921
to Argentina as well. So... But the man

1472
00:51:06,921 --> 00:51:08,644
there's there's a lot of other countries that

1473
00:51:09,082 --> 00:51:10,195
have huge markets,

1474
00:51:10,752 --> 00:51:11,786
good Tv markets,

1475
00:51:12,342 --> 00:51:13,296
good bike markets,

1476
00:51:13,774 --> 00:51:15,841
Santiago. I can know Brainer obviously, where we

1477
00:51:15,841 --> 00:51:17,352
had the ed Ed...

1478
00:51:18,068 --> 00:51:18,306
Is there.

1479
00:51:19,115 --> 00:51:20,624
And then going back to Japan,

1480
00:51:21,338 --> 00:51:22,052
South Africa,

1481
00:51:22,767 --> 00:51:24,513
where they have the World cup and s

1482
00:51:24,513 --> 00:51:26,656
bushes. Yeah. Could definitely have a annual event,

1483
00:51:26,815 --> 00:51:27,505
it would be

1484
00:51:28,179 --> 00:51:29,447
a bit trickier because it would have to

1485
00:51:29,447 --> 00:51:31,826
be shuttle, but you know, if they're reducing

1486
00:51:31,826 --> 00:51:34,364
the numbers, then that wouldn't be as bigger

1487
00:51:34,364 --> 00:51:34,840
a problem.

1488
00:51:36,204 --> 00:51:37,260
So there's lots of,

1489
00:51:37,952 --> 00:51:39,620
yeah. I mean, I think there should be

1490
00:51:39,620 --> 00:51:40,097
more rounds,

1491
00:51:41,367 --> 00:51:42,718
10 rounds and make 1 of them a

1492
00:51:42,718 --> 00:51:45,045
throw because of the state of the

1493
00:51:46,073 --> 00:51:47,031
sport, you know,

1494
00:51:48,947 --> 00:51:51,102
to do the sport, with the amount of

1495
00:51:51,102 --> 00:51:53,656
injuries to have a seasonal what title decided

1496
00:51:53,656 --> 00:51:54,316
on a

1497
00:51:54,947 --> 00:51:57,578
broken finger risk collar bone or flat tire,

1498
00:51:58,136 --> 00:51:59,490
Yeah. The bikes are empty and you meant

1499
00:51:59,490 --> 00:52:00,867
to pick your right lines. But

1500
00:52:01,403 --> 00:52:03,170
the nature of the sport and how it

1501
00:52:03,170 --> 00:52:05,075
is to win a race, you are riding

1502
00:52:05,075 --> 00:52:06,051
over your head

1503
00:52:06,504 --> 00:52:08,171
or it seems like they should be wearing

1504
00:52:08,171 --> 00:52:08,647
over the head.

1505
00:52:10,489 --> 00:52:11,927
It'd be nice to have a a throw

1506
00:52:11,927 --> 00:52:14,085
away, you know, not and and not use

1507
00:52:14,085 --> 00:52:15,523
it just because you don't wanna spend the

1508
00:52:15,523 --> 00:52:17,360
money go the event you... Yeah. Yeah. A

1509
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:18,080
reason to use it.

1510
00:52:18,893 --> 00:52:20,010
A doctor's note or something.

1511
00:52:20,808 --> 00:52:22,404
Are you into the idea of this Lc

1512
00:52:22,404 --> 00:52:24,558
queue last chance qualify thing? Well, yeah. I

1513
00:52:24,558 --> 00:52:25,297
think we'd

1514
00:52:26,329 --> 00:52:28,166
Andrew Andrew brought it up like more than

1515
00:52:28,166 --> 00:52:28,646
a year ago,

1516
00:52:30,084 --> 00:52:32,501
and we've talked about it a lot, but

1517
00:52:33,372 --> 00:52:34,804
No 1 likes a semi file. I was

1518
00:52:34,804 --> 00:52:37,032
quite surprised that the semi final stayed on,

1519
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:39,657
to be honest because it's seemed like it

1520
00:52:39,657 --> 00:52:42,611
was a unanimous decision that noah 1 I

1521
00:52:42,611 --> 00:52:44,358
liked it. Yeah. So I thought, okay. Well,

1522
00:52:44,438 --> 00:52:46,503
they're keeping it because they still... They wanted

1523
00:52:46,503 --> 00:52:49,142
to do extra broadcast. U. So then they

1524
00:52:49,142 --> 00:52:50,340
to show it, and there was no broadcast.

1525
00:52:50,499 --> 00:52:52,814
Yeah. Which they also said nothing about, like,

1526
00:52:52,973 --> 00:52:55,527
didn't just never... Not to us not to

1527
00:52:55,527 --> 00:52:56,899
the teams. So the teams has asked to

1528
00:52:56,899 --> 00:52:59,208
pay this more in return we're getting all

1529
00:52:59,208 --> 00:53:01,438
this extra viewing, or that that didn't happen

1530
00:53:01,438 --> 00:53:01,836
this year.

1531
00:53:04,067 --> 00:53:05,283
My worry is that

1532
00:53:06,231 --> 00:53:06,731
that

1533
00:53:07,186 --> 00:53:09,492
this is my conspiracy theory. This is not

1534
00:53:09,492 --> 00:53:11,481
based on factor there are facts in it.

1535
00:53:13,327 --> 00:53:15,079
They wanna get the numbers down and inches

1536
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:15,556
next year.

1537
00:53:16,193 --> 00:53:17,547
The way they allocate points,

1538
00:53:18,901 --> 00:53:20,892
you have to be basically making the final.

1539
00:53:21,052 --> 00:53:24,514
Yeah. So that semi final takes away the

1540
00:53:24,731 --> 00:53:26,723
points that people may just qualify, You know,

1541
00:53:26,882 --> 00:53:27,997
your top 60 riders.

1542
00:53:28,635 --> 00:53:31,598
Now there's less people making points. So you

1543
00:53:31,598 --> 00:53:34,150
have a semi final for 2 years. Suddenly,

1544
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:35,586
you got at the end of that 2

1545
00:53:35,586 --> 00:53:37,899
year period, you suddenly got very few people

1546
00:53:37,899 --> 00:53:39,574
with the right amount of points, whatever they

1547
00:53:39,574 --> 00:53:40,472
decide you need

1548
00:53:41,505 --> 00:53:43,664
because you can't just have it elite trade

1549
00:53:43,664 --> 00:53:46,465
teams only because there's many riders we've seen

1550
00:53:46,465 --> 00:53:47,905
the Sierra that have been in the top

1551
00:53:47,905 --> 00:53:49,585
10 or on the podium that are not

1552
00:53:49,585 --> 00:53:52,239
on an elite trade team. Yeah. Or fastest

1553
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:52,880
woman in the day.

1554
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:55,840
Joe but joe Joe Bowman junior. Right? Yeah.

1555
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,159
Early. Yeah. You know, and there's not a

1556
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:00,164
trade team. Technically, there's quite a few people

1557
00:54:00,164 --> 00:54:01,673
that wouldn't be able to race a world

1558
00:54:01,673 --> 00:54:03,658
cup that have beat on podium Yeah. Or

1559
00:54:03,658 --> 00:54:06,357
in top 10, Lucky, Anna. Yeah. So there's...

1560
00:54:06,516 --> 00:54:07,469
There's there's a lot of people about that.

1561
00:54:07,627 --> 00:54:09,388
So So, obviously, there needs to be more

1562
00:54:09,388 --> 00:54:10,975
than just trade teams that are allowed and

1563
00:54:10,975 --> 00:54:12,721
you will have World cup ranking points. But

1564
00:54:12,721 --> 00:54:15,023
then is it world ranking that you can

1565
00:54:15,023 --> 00:54:16,664
get in Ocean or you can get your

1566
00:54:16,864 --> 00:54:19,099
continental or your or your the odd race

1567
00:54:19,099 --> 00:54:20,617
in your home country which aren't a lot

1568
00:54:20,617 --> 00:54:21,974
of races to get point.

1569
00:54:23,411 --> 00:54:25,327
So suddenly by keeping the semi final another

1570
00:54:25,327 --> 00:54:27,571
year, you've you've really cut a lot of

1571
00:54:27,571 --> 00:54:28,999
people's woke cup points that they would have

1572
00:54:28,999 --> 00:54:30,744
been able to use to enter a world

1573
00:54:30,744 --> 00:54:33,125
cup the following season, You know, while those

1574
00:54:33,125 --> 00:54:35,047
points about it. So that's a little bit

1575
00:54:35,047 --> 00:54:37,911
worry. But, yeah. Lc q, you know, have

1576
00:54:37,911 --> 00:54:39,661
your top 30 that that qualify.

1577
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:42,890
And

1578
00:54:43,590 --> 00:54:45,510
you have your next 30 riders, and you

1579
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:48,204
offer 10:15, 20 spots whatever to get

1580
00:54:48,643 --> 00:54:50,239
said the file has got 40 or 50

1581
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,392
or to 45 or whatever it is. Yeah.

1582
00:54:53,269 --> 00:54:54,647
Of course, up the woman's

1583
00:54:55,024 --> 00:54:57,257
number to more equitable number.

1584
00:54:59,904 --> 00:55:01,180
Everyone's saying that so we don't even need

1585
00:55:01,180 --> 00:55:02,775
to, like, go on about. That just good...

1586
00:55:03,094 --> 00:55:04,768
To me as a brainer, and we shouldn't

1587
00:55:04,768 --> 00:55:06,523
have to be asking or or discussing it.

1588
00:55:08,608 --> 00:55:10,359
Yeah. So that Lc lgbtq,

1589
00:55:11,234 --> 00:55:11,552
again,

1590
00:55:12,507 --> 00:55:14,577
warner brothers are in the in the in

1591
00:55:14,577 --> 00:55:17,934
the business of giving entertainment. Viewing entertainment.

1592
00:55:18,652 --> 00:55:19,869
A El ones qualifier

1593
00:55:20,245 --> 00:55:22,316
is a lot more entertaining. It is a

1594
00:55:22,316 --> 00:55:24,481
lot more on the line. Yeah. Than another

1595
00:55:24,481 --> 00:55:25,835
race which just kinda like the final them

1596
00:55:25,835 --> 00:55:27,108
which is kinda like the qualifying.

1597
00:55:27,586 --> 00:55:28,404
This is giving

1598
00:55:29,814 --> 00:55:31,804
all the guys, and then there'll be maybe

1599
00:55:31,804 --> 00:55:33,396
some tweak in the protection rule, you know,

1600
00:55:34,929 --> 00:55:37,250
that should be in the final and extra

1601
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:38,769
chances. Like I, what if they flattered in

1602
00:55:38,769 --> 00:55:40,530
the in their quality, but they were on

1603
00:55:40,530 --> 00:55:42,778
the podium last weekend? But they're not put

1604
00:55:42,778 --> 00:55:44,528
protected from the last year. Yeah. You wanna

1605
00:55:44,528 --> 00:55:46,539
watch them right variety. So

1606
00:55:47,074 --> 00:55:48,664
to him to have a Lc secured. It's

1607
00:55:48,664 --> 00:55:50,389
just it's an brainer. And it's it's just

1608
00:55:50,668 --> 00:55:52,421
you know, 30 riders 1 more run on

1609
00:55:52,421 --> 00:55:54,492
the hill. That's literally 30 more minutes in

1610
00:55:54,492 --> 00:55:56,165
the day. Yeah. It's 40 minutes,

1611
00:55:57,201 --> 00:55:58,873
if you're doing women or or 50 minute.

1612
00:55:59,033 --> 00:56:00,484
You know, so it's in all in all,

1613
00:56:00,643 --> 00:56:02,002
it's you'll be fighting an hour in it

1614
00:56:02,002 --> 00:56:02,162
a.

1615
00:56:03,121 --> 00:56:04,799
It it takes a lot longer to run...

1616
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:06,817
It takes a lot longer to run

1617
00:56:07,356 --> 00:56:08,395
a whole semi final.

1618
00:56:09,128 --> 00:56:09,628
So

1619
00:56:10,165 --> 00:56:12,658
everything's easier, the day shortened the,

1620
00:56:13,035 --> 00:56:14,789
you know, and I wouldn't say there's an

1621
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:16,623
unfair practice because these riders have had 1

1622
00:56:16,623 --> 00:56:18,471
more run on the course. Because those guys

1623
00:56:18,471 --> 00:56:19,905
that made the top 30. You could pretty

1624
00:56:19,905 --> 00:56:21,418
much awesome. Do you wanna do another run

1625
00:56:21,418 --> 00:56:22,613
or would you rather chill or go walk

1626
00:56:22,613 --> 00:56:24,445
to course? They'll be like, we'll chill thank

1627
00:56:24,445 --> 00:56:26,038
again much we've done enough riding and racing.

1628
00:56:26,198 --> 00:56:26,698
So

1629
00:56:27,089 --> 00:56:28,998
So I think it's... It be good for

1630
00:56:28,998 --> 00:56:31,941
everyone for fans, for spectators on side. Yeah.

1631
00:56:32,259 --> 00:56:33,373
Again, a good thing for them.

1632
00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:36,799
Because it's a bit grim you go into

1633
00:56:36,958 --> 00:56:38,305
Sunday if it's a Sunday race. If it's

1634
00:56:38,305 --> 00:56:40,287
a Daniel lonely, and there's only, like, at

1635
00:56:40,287 --> 00:56:41,342
the moment there's

1636
00:56:41,968 --> 00:56:43,719
the junior is, this is like 50 people

1637
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,232
riding on the hill, and at some venues,

1638
00:56:46,028 --> 00:56:47,700
that's not a lot of writing. So you're

1639
00:56:47,700 --> 00:56:49,293
to your final day and you've paid this

1640
00:56:49,293 --> 00:56:51,141
money and you've made your holiday and your

1641
00:56:51,141 --> 00:56:52,658
camping in the woods and you're walk the

1642
00:56:52,658 --> 00:56:54,334
track. There's not a lot of writers you're

1643
00:56:54,334 --> 00:56:55,611
watching. There's not a lot of your favorite

1644
00:56:55,611 --> 00:56:56,888
writers because they got knocked out in the

1645
00:56:56,888 --> 00:56:58,106
semi, You know? So

1646
00:56:59,775 --> 00:57:01,769
yeah. It's a balance all of this say.

1647
00:57:01,929 --> 00:57:03,444
But I hope they show the Lc q

1648
00:57:03,444 --> 00:57:05,278
on broadcast because... Well, I mean, it's a...

1649
00:57:05,677 --> 00:57:06,714
It would be a no brainer not to,

1650
00:57:06,874 --> 00:57:07,773
and it would be

1651
00:57:08,721 --> 00:57:10,093
a perfect sort of

1652
00:57:11,259 --> 00:57:12,632
lead up a teaser

1653
00:57:13,005 --> 00:57:15,329
to to to get people to tune and

1654
00:57:15,558 --> 00:57:17,225
you know, to the 2 that I, it's

1655
00:57:17,225 --> 00:57:19,391
kind of what what the whole semi was

1656
00:57:19,447 --> 00:57:21,670
meant to do, but then people find out

1657
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:23,355
because it was on the same day. Was

1658
00:57:23,355 --> 00:57:24,954
too much viewing was too much naughty too

1659
00:57:24,954 --> 00:57:25,275
towards the same.

1660
00:57:26,554 --> 00:57:27,994
And you can just show the highlights, you

1661
00:57:27,994 --> 00:57:29,434
know, You didn't have to show full runs

1662
00:57:29,434 --> 00:57:30,815
of there. So you still

1663
00:57:31,287 --> 00:57:33,270
showing kind of cool bits of the track

1664
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:34,539
or certain camera angles,

1665
00:57:35,967 --> 00:57:37,950
or, left for the main show as as

1666
00:57:37,950 --> 00:57:38,664
they come should be.

1667
00:57:39,555 --> 00:57:41,715
Perhaps yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Let's talk a bit

1668
00:57:41,715 --> 00:57:43,815
about End then. It looks

1669
00:57:44,195 --> 00:57:45,635
like, looking from the outside. I've not been

1670
00:57:45,635 --> 00:57:48,043
on... Any this year, but the tracks looks

1671
00:57:48,043 --> 00:57:49,474
to have been good. The racing that's to

1672
00:57:49,474 --> 00:57:51,780
have been good. The coverage does seem to

1673
00:57:51,780 --> 00:57:53,927
have taken a step up. I think there's

1674
00:57:53,927 --> 00:57:56,724
more coming out. What's the what's the vibe

1675
00:57:56,724 --> 00:57:59,110
generally at the insurers this year. I'd say

1676
00:57:59,110 --> 00:58:00,325
last year they were

1677
00:58:00,779 --> 00:58:01,279
massively

1678
00:58:02,130 --> 00:58:04,538
overlooked and were just almost

1679
00:58:05,086 --> 00:58:07,625
kicked to the curb in terms of sort

1680
00:58:07,625 --> 00:58:08,839
of how they were

1681
00:58:09,371 --> 00:58:10,823
treated in amount of

1682
00:58:12,403 --> 00:58:13,143
amount of

1683
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,473
coverage sort of the organizers or the 1

1684
00:58:16,473 --> 00:58:17,372
brothers discovery

1685
00:58:18,228 --> 00:58:19,526
were sort of dev voting

1686
00:58:19,998 --> 00:58:22,869
time resources, media output. Mh. It it just...

1687
00:58:23,267 --> 00:58:25,043
This year, there's a definite noticeable

1688
00:58:26,616 --> 00:58:28,392
improvement on on all fronts. It's also

1689
00:58:28,863 --> 00:58:29,998
it also has that

1690
00:58:30,769 --> 00:58:32,199
sort of pro presentation.

1691
00:58:33,152 --> 00:58:34,265
But a lot of it is down to

1692
00:58:34,265 --> 00:58:36,965
the the the local organizers that that if

1693
00:58:36,965 --> 00:58:38,530
they do a better job than that

1694
00:58:38,887 --> 00:58:40,634
event is also better. You know, Like, the

1695
00:58:40,634 --> 00:58:43,017
guys Tasmania last year, did amazing job And

1696
00:58:43,017 --> 00:58:44,129
it started off, I was like, oh, sweet,

1697
00:58:44,208 --> 00:58:45,241
this is End endurance is gonna be in

1698
00:58:45,241 --> 00:58:45,638
a good place.

1699
00:58:46,591 --> 00:58:48,123
But the the problem is

1700
00:58:49,786 --> 00:58:51,638
for me anyway, you've got

1701
00:58:52,490 --> 00:58:52,990
pro

1702
00:58:53,683 --> 00:58:55,672
best interior riders in the world riding on

1703
00:58:55,751 --> 00:58:56,626
Thursday and Friday.

1704
00:58:57,199 --> 00:58:59,300
People can't even take off work in their

1705
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:01,360
hometown to watch the Friday race. Yeah.

1706
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:02,320
You know.

1707
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:04,739
And then you have the eb bikes

1708
00:59:05,372 --> 00:59:07,841
bizarre on the Saturday and the Sunday. We're

1709
00:59:07,841 --> 00:59:08,001
now...

1710
00:59:08,876 --> 00:59:10,947
This weekend, it was a Saturday practice a

1711
00:59:10,947 --> 00:59:13,199
half day practice and in the Sunday. So

1712
00:59:14,385 --> 00:59:17,086
Like Saturday and Sunday, on a standalone event,

1713
00:59:17,325 --> 00:59:18,993
and we have no... You know, it's a

1714
00:59:18,993 --> 00:59:20,661
stand. So we're I'm not competing with Daniel

1715
00:59:20,661 --> 00:59:21,773
and it's not a triple event.

1716
00:59:22,663 --> 00:59:24,257
With this Daniel Chris Country and everything else

1717
00:59:24,257 --> 00:59:24,576
going on.

1718
00:59:25,612 --> 00:59:27,445
Yet the guys are still racing on on

1719
00:59:27,445 --> 00:59:30,018
a Friday. So they're not getting the spectators

1720
00:59:30,648 --> 00:59:30,967
you know,

1721
00:59:31,684 --> 00:59:34,235
so, yeah, it's isn't really a spectator friendly

1722
00:59:34,235 --> 00:59:35,749
sport, but it isn't a lot of places.

1723
00:59:35,988 --> 00:59:38,082
You have these huge policies of people

1724
00:59:38,393 --> 00:59:39,742
and fans. There's a lot of cool fans.

1725
00:59:39,901 --> 00:59:41,012
And it's like, actually a good way to

1726
00:59:41,012 --> 00:59:42,918
watch a race because you're getting around the

1727
00:59:42,918 --> 00:59:44,108
network of trails in a bike. And says.

1728
00:59:44,584 --> 00:59:45,775
It's a very fun way to watch a

1729
00:59:45,775 --> 00:59:46,727
race some rounds. You know?

1730
00:59:47,457 --> 00:59:48,726
Not all a set up like that.

1731
00:59:50,393 --> 00:59:53,751
But so having said that definitely looks like

1732
00:59:55,092 --> 00:59:56,362
from on the ground at the end endurance,

1733
00:59:56,521 --> 00:59:59,381
they have their staff, their production there's a

1734
00:59:59,381 --> 01:00:00,335
much bigger crew,

1735
01:00:01,208 --> 01:00:03,768
and they're getting their highlights out quicker and

1736
01:00:03,768 --> 01:00:05,921
better, and there's more stories been told and

1737
01:00:05,921 --> 01:00:08,792
there's more content pushed up from End endure.

1738
01:00:09,271 --> 01:00:10,010
But then

1739
01:00:13,034 --> 01:00:15,899
And the racing is is is equally good

1740
01:00:15,899 --> 01:00:17,331
and and still being elevated.

1741
01:00:18,684 --> 01:00:20,515
Still some questionable venues like Leah gang,

1742
01:00:21,788 --> 01:00:22,288
is

1743
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:22,916
you know?

1744
01:00:23,710 --> 01:00:26,725
You're pe 70 k's because there aren't good

1745
01:00:26,725 --> 01:00:29,106
tracks suited for in europe. Yeah. And then

1746
01:00:29,106 --> 01:00:31,144
you're traversing to ride 2 stage in another

1747
01:00:31,264 --> 01:00:32,858
towns. Like, maybe we should have had that

1748
01:00:32,858 --> 01:00:34,315
race in that town or,

1749
01:00:36,207 --> 01:00:37,960
you know, is are in the business of

1750
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,366
cutting costs and piggyback events to save on

1751
01:00:40,366 --> 01:00:43,073
staff from production properly, but, you know,

1752
01:00:44,108 --> 01:00:45,085
the the whole

1753
01:00:46,815 --> 01:00:47,713
the whole way

1754
01:00:48,103 --> 01:00:50,195
this whole warner brothers discovery

1755
01:00:50,730 --> 01:00:53,435
thing was become what it is now was

1756
01:00:53,435 --> 01:00:55,367
based on sort of Chris balls

1757
01:00:56,634 --> 01:00:58,387
immense success of what he did with End

1758
01:00:58,387 --> 01:00:59,901
endure over 10 years. Yeah.

1759
01:01:00,697 --> 01:01:02,450
So it's kind of sad to see where

1760
01:01:02,450 --> 01:01:04,681
it is now compared to anything 10 years

1761
01:01:04,681 --> 01:01:06,450
ago. You know, for the first 10 years,

1762
01:01:06,610 --> 01:01:08,285
and it was a sort of the last

1763
01:01:08,285 --> 01:01:10,119
3 years was a bit a few things

1764
01:01:10,119 --> 01:01:11,098
creeping in, but,

1765
01:01:12,751 --> 01:01:13,889
yeah. So

1766
01:01:15,875 --> 01:01:17,465
you know, IIII,

1767
01:01:17,545 --> 01:01:18,817
like I said, I I still have a...

1768
01:01:19,851 --> 01:01:22,474
I'm still loving endure, the the riding and

1769
01:01:22,474 --> 01:01:24,144
the racing and and even, like, I'm not

1770
01:01:24,144 --> 01:01:25,590
a e bike hate tip saying, why are

1771
01:01:25,590 --> 01:01:26,860
we having Eb box in the weekend because

1772
01:01:26,860 --> 01:01:29,401
the Eb bikes yes yesterday was. What they

1773
01:01:29,401 --> 01:01:30,036
did in the mud,

1774
01:01:30,989 --> 01:01:33,315
gnarly conditions where were... They had harder weather

1775
01:01:33,450 --> 01:01:35,053
conditions and on heavier bikes.

1776
01:01:36,085 --> 01:01:36,585
But

1777
01:01:37,038 --> 01:01:39,921
the the riding of the athletic, the professionalism

1778
01:01:40,453 --> 01:01:42,598
you know, is is is still all time.

1779
01:01:44,122 --> 01:01:44,622
But,

1780
01:01:45,155 --> 01:01:46,745
you know, when the top writers Of of

1781
01:01:46,745 --> 01:01:48,732
feeling hadn't and feeling overlooked or, I wouldn't

1782
01:01:48,732 --> 01:01:50,957
say disrespect. But, yeah, disrespect, you know, and

1783
01:01:50,957 --> 01:01:53,124
they couple of them like, well, they don't

1784
01:01:53,124 --> 01:01:55,357
wanna become eb bike races They rather just

1785
01:01:55,357 --> 01:01:57,351
do Downhill, but, you know, why don't you

1786
01:01:57,351 --> 01:01:59,344
just not worry about that? Just put on

1787
01:01:59,344 --> 01:02:00,301
the best event possible.

1788
01:02:01,351 --> 01:02:03,337
And we got Ka having World champs and

1789
01:02:03,337 --> 01:02:05,164
those are event organizers are are already good.

1790
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,070
Swiss guys put on a really good events.

1791
01:02:07,229 --> 01:02:10,347
So, like, the next couple events I'm I'm

1792
01:02:10,347 --> 01:02:13,300
very positive. They will be sweet and good

1793
01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:13,800
because

1794
01:02:14,578 --> 01:02:16,175
I think a lot more comes down to

1795
01:02:16,175 --> 01:02:18,744
the local organizers than them getting the the

1796
01:02:18,744 --> 01:02:20,585
tracks and stuff right. But, like,

1797
01:02:21,864 --> 01:02:22,744
this last weekend,

1798
01:02:23,704 --> 01:02:25,224
the ride most like all the tracks are

1799
01:02:25,224 --> 01:02:27,229
a little bit flat at times and and

1800
01:02:27,229 --> 01:02:28,261
part of it is condition wise...

1801
01:02:29,690 --> 01:02:30,190
But

1802
01:02:31,277 --> 01:02:34,135
everyone enjoyed every every in 0, there's gonna

1803
01:02:34,135 --> 01:02:35,898
be 1 track or 2 that's not enjoyable,

1804
01:02:36,056 --> 01:02:37,407
but 3 or 4 that Are are good.

1805
01:02:38,043 --> 01:02:38,202
But

1806
01:02:40,030 --> 01:02:41,461
for the first time, we're we as a

1807
01:02:41,461 --> 01:02:44,418
media arrived there and we've got 360 degree

1808
01:02:44,418 --> 01:02:46,327
view of Mont blanc and all this surrounding

1809
01:02:46,327 --> 01:02:48,555
both sides of the valley. Literally, you couldn't,

1810
01:02:48,634 --> 01:02:48,873
like,

1811
01:02:49,683 --> 01:02:50,952
you stood at the top of the mountain

1812
01:02:50,952 --> 01:02:52,460
where 3 stages started,

1813
01:02:53,015 --> 01:02:54,047
you couldn't, like,

1814
01:02:55,951 --> 01:02:57,379
there was a a view everywhere.

1815
01:02:58,348 --> 01:03:01,459
Except where those 3 stages started. They somehow

1816
01:03:01,459 --> 01:03:04,250
managed to go like, 2 meters below the

1817
01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:05,846
top of the hill where they could have

1818
01:03:05,846 --> 01:03:07,303
started on the top of the hill

1819
01:03:08,014 --> 01:03:09,772
every stage start could have had the first

1820
01:03:09,772 --> 01:03:10,272
turn

1821
01:03:10,731 --> 01:03:12,728
with a mountain background where the B mod

1822
01:03:12,728 --> 01:03:13,847
blanc or whatever,

1823
01:03:14,646 --> 01:03:17,291
a gui immediate and somehow they manage... It

1824
01:03:17,291 --> 01:03:19,361
must have been difficult to somehow take the

1825
01:03:19,361 --> 01:03:21,113
courses to not get a mountain of view.

1826
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:22,944
I don't know how they managed it, but

1827
01:03:22,944 --> 01:03:23,262
they did.

1828
01:03:23,994 --> 01:03:25,355
And it's like, that's why we came to

1829
01:03:25,355 --> 01:03:26,635
your region. This is what you're selling us.

1830
01:03:26,875 --> 01:03:29,114
Like yeah. I've put on events and I've

1831
01:03:29,114 --> 01:03:31,847
literally taped courses. I've we did a 700

1832
01:03:31,847 --> 01:03:34,161
kilometer s king rally race, and we literally

1833
01:03:34,161 --> 01:03:35,836
take the course on the side of a

1834
01:03:35,836 --> 01:03:37,193
cliff so we can have a side of

1835
01:03:37,193 --> 01:03:37,911
a cliff on the course.

1836
01:03:38,723 --> 01:03:40,233
Not so the rider falls off and we

1837
01:03:40,233 --> 01:03:41,584
get clickbait, but

1838
01:03:42,776 --> 01:03:43,730
it's not hard.

1839
01:03:44,286 --> 01:03:47,228
You know, yes. I understand your access and

1840
01:03:47,228 --> 01:03:49,315
far as and things. But if you've got

1841
01:03:49,315 --> 01:03:50,750
a year to work an event, like,

1842
01:03:51,787 --> 01:03:53,143
there's so much need to get done often,

1843
01:03:53,302 --> 01:03:54,839
there's little things to get over list.

1844
01:03:55,297 --> 01:03:57,370
Right? Yeah. I mean, I I literally thought

1845
01:03:57,370 --> 01:04:00,344
of free taping a course, like, literally 2

1846
01:04:00,344 --> 01:04:01,244
meters moving

1847
01:04:01,945 --> 01:04:03,704
the the course tape. Because that 2 meters

1848
01:04:03,704 --> 01:04:04,985
would have put us with him blanc, and

1849
01:04:04,985 --> 01:04:06,025
that's entire little it took.

1850
01:04:06,679 --> 01:04:07,397
But, anyway,

1851
01:04:08,195 --> 01:04:10,052
that's just an example

1852
01:04:10,829 --> 01:04:13,782
because there's way more positives than negatives in

1853
01:04:13,782 --> 01:04:14,761
euro, and and

1854
01:04:15,074 --> 01:04:16,830
I just feel like the writers should be

1855
01:04:16,830 --> 01:04:18,527
maybe listened to more like the downhill

1856
01:04:19,065 --> 01:04:21,220
got listened to the slope style got listened

1857
01:04:21,220 --> 01:04:23,056
to, and and then got their ways in

1858
01:04:23,056 --> 01:04:24,748
the daniel of I'm getting their feedback. And

1859
01:04:24,828 --> 01:04:25,867
I know there is a working group with

1860
01:04:26,106 --> 01:04:28,024
Euro. Mh. Have a bit more of a

1861
01:04:28,024 --> 01:04:30,361
role and and Josh Calls thankfully is

1862
01:04:31,632 --> 01:04:33,945
He's been racer from both sides E bike

1863
01:04:33,945 --> 01:04:35,460
and normal and nice he's part of Warner

1864
01:04:35,460 --> 01:04:38,171
brothers discovery, and he's taken upon himself. He's

1865
01:04:38,171 --> 01:04:39,447
not it's not his role.

1866
01:04:40,337 --> 01:04:41,154
Better he's

1867
01:04:41,525 --> 01:04:43,348
giving in a huge amount of he's kind

1868
01:04:43,348 --> 01:04:44,878
of put the

1869
01:04:46,121 --> 01:04:48,358
a lot of energy his energy, which is

1870
01:04:48,358 --> 01:04:49,255
good energy

1871
01:04:49,630 --> 01:04:50,130
into

1872
01:04:50,583 --> 01:04:51,083
making

1873
01:04:51,458 --> 01:04:53,764
everybody happy, both the racing, the package, the

1874
01:04:53,843 --> 01:04:55,751
Tv, and he knows the stories he knows

1875
01:04:55,751 --> 01:04:56,648
riders. So

1876
01:04:56,958 --> 01:04:58,708
Thankfully, we have a Josh Coles there that,

1877
01:04:58,867 --> 01:04:59,027
like,

1878
01:05:00,299 --> 01:05:02,049
so that is really good and Yeah. And

1879
01:05:02,049 --> 01:05:02,367
there's like,

1880
01:05:03,973 --> 01:05:05,640
million bigger picture things where I'm sure, like,

1881
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:07,307
if an organizers listening to me, they say,

1882
01:05:07,466 --> 01:05:09,133
yeah but yeah but it was sv, like,

1883
01:05:09,530 --> 01:05:11,515
complaining yet, but I'm hopefully being constructive and

1884
01:05:11,515 --> 01:05:12,571
not just been

1885
01:05:13,356 --> 01:05:15,579
not constructive. Yeah. Fair. Do you think that,

1886
01:05:15,738 --> 01:05:17,406
like, the scheduling at the weekend of e...

1887
01:05:17,644 --> 01:05:19,653
Of e bike being on the weekend and

1888
01:05:19,947 --> 01:05:22,664
normal bike being Thursday, Friday is reflect of,

1889
01:05:22,744 --> 01:05:25,377
like, the industry demand. If... But everything I

1890
01:05:25,377 --> 01:05:27,372
hear is that e bike sales are very,

1891
01:05:27,532 --> 01:05:28,670
very strong and

1892
01:05:29,447 --> 01:05:31,858
bike sales are so should result weaker, But...

1893
01:05:32,098 --> 01:05:34,335
So should we not raise daniel because they're

1894
01:05:34,335 --> 01:05:36,253
not selling the bags and they're selling eb

1895
01:05:36,253 --> 01:05:38,491
bikes? Very fair point. So should we raise

1896
01:05:38,491 --> 01:05:39,950
radial your finals on

1897
01:05:40,423 --> 01:05:42,252
Friday and have the bike race at the

1898
01:05:42,331 --> 01:05:44,478
Daniel event on Sunday and the Saturday. Yeah.

1899
01:05:44,796 --> 01:05:46,410
So, I mean, to come on. There's arguments

1900
01:05:46,466 --> 01:05:47,898
or are silly that they're giving us.

1901
01:05:49,011 --> 01:05:49,511
The

1902
01:05:50,780 --> 01:05:51,420
the sport.

1903
01:05:53,660 --> 01:05:54,960
Maybe just trying to think

1904
01:05:55,420 --> 01:05:58,059
the pro the problem is, yes. There's pressure

1905
01:05:58,059 --> 01:05:58,559
to

1906
01:05:59,912 --> 01:06:02,007
there's maybe some pressure from the industry

1907
01:06:02,465 --> 01:06:03,204
to have

1908
01:06:03,661 --> 01:06:05,974
more people entering E. They struggle to get

1909
01:06:05,974 --> 01:06:07,489
50 people to enter an bike race. Yeah.

1910
01:06:07,649 --> 01:06:09,735
The field was pretty small still. We Still

1911
01:06:09,735 --> 01:06:11,083
and it was bigger than normal this weekend.

1912
01:06:11,242 --> 01:06:12,988
Yeah. So so they've tried to do... Okay,

1913
01:06:13,146 --> 01:06:14,416
well, let's make the eb box on the

1914
01:06:14,416 --> 01:06:16,344
on the weekend and let's do the schedule

1915
01:06:16,893 --> 01:06:18,968
completely separately. So some writers can raise both,

1916
01:06:19,128 --> 01:06:20,564
which a couple of writers are are starting

1917
01:06:20,564 --> 01:06:22,240
to do now. But now actually what the

1918
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,807
eb bike are doing, they're racing both. Not

1919
01:06:24,807 --> 01:06:26,957
because Wanna race both because they get more

1920
01:06:26,957 --> 01:06:28,789
practice. They get another race run on the

1921
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:30,461
track, which makes them better in the eb

1922
01:06:30,461 --> 01:06:30,938
bike race.

1923
01:06:31,576 --> 01:06:32,633
So it's it's

1924
01:06:33,182 --> 01:06:34,452
it's like a... I wouldn't say a new

1925
01:06:34,452 --> 01:06:35,801
form of cheating because you'd be seated not

1926
01:06:35,801 --> 01:06:37,388
to, but it's another lap on the track.

1927
01:06:37,547 --> 01:06:38,737
Yeah. You're gonna have to pedal and you're

1928
01:06:38,737 --> 01:06:41,056
gonna lose lot energy. So It's a it's

1929
01:06:41,056 --> 01:06:42,968
quite a balance. But these guys are are

1930
01:06:42,968 --> 01:06:44,959
fit and they're racing bikes, so they can

1931
01:06:44,959 --> 01:06:46,870
probably fit in 1 more day of it's

1932
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:48,224
actually half a day of riding. Yeah.

1933
01:06:49,672 --> 01:06:51,896
So the before we'd have the e bike

1934
01:06:51,896 --> 01:06:54,121
and the normal bike at the same day,

1935
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:55,233
and then the eb bikes would do a

1936
01:06:55,233 --> 01:06:56,504
few extra stages, and it was quite hard

1937
01:06:56,504 --> 01:06:57,829
for the media cover both

1938
01:06:58,427 --> 01:06:59,143
equally or fairly.

1939
01:06:59,859 --> 01:07:02,566
So it kind of worked because we still

1940
01:07:02,566 --> 01:07:04,635
at least raced on weekends, but it also

1941
01:07:04,635 --> 01:07:06,402
didn't work because it was quite tough to

1942
01:07:06,402 --> 01:07:07,837
cover and and the eb bikes would be

1943
01:07:07,837 --> 01:07:09,032
marginalized to some degree.

1944
01:07:09,749 --> 01:07:10,488
But then

1945
01:07:11,184 --> 01:07:13,597
but then is the current form of

1946
01:07:14,147 --> 01:07:16,159
world cup bike racing. The best

1947
01:07:16,534 --> 01:07:18,205
way we should be racing world cup eb

1948
01:07:18,205 --> 01:07:18,364
box.

1949
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,866
Essentially racing the exact same of endure with

1950
01:07:21,866 --> 01:07:23,083
a few extra

1951
01:07:23,635 --> 01:07:25,715
stages and a few power stages. And the

1952
01:07:25,715 --> 01:07:27,474
power stage are no longer climbing stages, they're

1953
01:07:27,474 --> 01:07:29,795
little trials, obstacle courses and circles.

1954
01:07:30,275 --> 01:07:32,678
A little bit of tech moves and some

1955
01:07:32,678 --> 01:07:33,789
climb... Obviously, climbing

1956
01:07:34,981 --> 01:07:36,593
climbing themed or base. But

1957
01:07:38,158 --> 01:07:40,880
it... So is that the best way to

1958
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,815
race or or or

1959
01:07:43,592 --> 01:07:46,064
deliver the showcase e bike racing to the

1960
01:07:46,064 --> 01:07:47,819
world? Do bikes need to be raised at

1961
01:07:47,899 --> 01:07:48,536
World cup level?

1962
01:07:49,508 --> 01:07:51,489
Or is it a big festival race and

1963
01:07:51,489 --> 01:07:53,550
you race around Mont Blanc and you use

1964
01:07:53,550 --> 01:07:55,373
bloody a lot of batteries because that's what

1965
01:07:55,373 --> 01:07:56,403
you we use e bikes for?

1966
01:07:57,054 --> 01:07:59,211
When I run my e bike, I'm maxing

1967
01:07:59,211 --> 01:08:00,170
out my...

1968
01:08:00,809 --> 01:08:01,130
You know,

1969
01:08:02,328 --> 01:08:04,326
anyway, I I no. I'm with you. I

1970
01:08:04,326 --> 01:08:06,174
think I I just like I haven't thought

1971
01:08:06,174 --> 01:08:08,004
about evo bikes. And what's the solution for

1972
01:08:08,004 --> 01:08:10,333
them. I just know a festival based

1973
01:08:10,708 --> 01:08:11,504
participate like,

1974
01:08:12,632 --> 01:08:14,087
You know, there's eva graces

1975
01:08:14,541 --> 01:08:16,132
like to rome and then jerome payments and

1976
01:08:16,132 --> 01:08:18,121
put on that like, it sells out 304

1977
01:08:18,121 --> 01:08:20,520
hundred riders because because they're doing the right

1978
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,904
kind of adventure right in a forest, where

1979
01:08:22,904 --> 01:08:24,412
you go hell afar, and then they have

1980
01:08:24,412 --> 01:08:26,501
your batteries up in a, in a

1981
01:08:26,875 --> 01:08:27,533
in a

1982
01:08:28,002 --> 01:08:28,502
refuge

1983
01:08:28,877 --> 01:08:30,549
and when you switch batteries or charge and

1984
01:08:30,549 --> 01:08:32,140
have a long land. Like, there's other ways

1985
01:08:32,140 --> 01:08:34,130
of doing Yeah. Doing stuff. But then, you

1986
01:08:34,130 --> 01:08:36,040
know, obviously, you're doing within the form of

1987
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:37,130
a race where there's

1988
01:08:37,889 --> 01:08:39,750
village and media and

1989
01:08:40,130 --> 01:08:41,969
production and staff and timing. So

1990
01:08:43,969 --> 01:08:46,050
you know, I'll I need to think about,

1991
01:08:46,210 --> 01:08:48,789
you know, how to do E bike, but,

1992
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:50,984
you know, and I'm not... And... But just

1993
01:08:50,984 --> 01:08:51,881
putting the

1994
01:08:53,045 --> 01:08:53,703
top athletes

1995
01:08:54,328 --> 01:08:56,311
on a Thursday and a Friday, that's just

1996
01:08:56,311 --> 01:08:57,501
not right. You know. Yeah.

1997
01:08:58,612 --> 01:09:00,198
Yeah. And then some of the track locations

1998
01:09:00,198 --> 01:09:01,094
have been chosen

1999
01:09:01,564 --> 01:09:02,922
because they had the budget to do a

2000
01:09:02,922 --> 01:09:04,281
race, you know, a lot of venues were

2001
01:09:04,281 --> 01:09:05,739
told unless he doing a Daniel

2002
01:09:06,198 --> 01:09:06,698
and

2003
01:09:08,355 --> 01:09:10,606
you know, but it at Daniel and a

2004
01:09:10,606 --> 01:09:11,005
e

2005
01:09:11,962 --> 01:09:12,282
end.

2006
01:09:12,841 --> 01:09:13,798
Do you have give to deb birth? You

2007
01:09:13,798 --> 01:09:15,154
can't do 1. Okay. So you... There's a

2008
01:09:15,154 --> 01:09:16,931
lot of... In the early days

2009
01:09:17,323 --> 01:09:19,952
the venues were chosen solely on, is that

2010
01:09:19,952 --> 01:09:21,943
the best trails we can ride when we

2011
01:09:21,943 --> 01:09:22,898
go to Chile,

2012
01:09:23,694 --> 01:09:27,219
Argentina, Australia, New Zealand, Yeah. And nearly all

2013
01:09:27,219 --> 01:09:28,979
the time, it was yes yes yes Yes.

2014
01:09:29,460 --> 01:09:31,300
And now those definitely...

2015
01:09:32,020 --> 01:09:33,380
Those incidents saying. We can go look at

2016
01:09:33,380 --> 01:09:35,313
the last 2 years of you know, there's

2017
01:09:35,313 --> 01:09:37,627
a couple of classic events, but, the answers

2018
01:09:37,627 --> 01:09:39,780
is that's... That is not the same. Yeah.

2019
01:09:39,939 --> 01:09:42,172
Yeah. Which is also a reality and the

2020
01:09:42,172 --> 01:09:44,188
world will live in and budgets. And

2021
01:09:45,139 --> 01:09:47,132
So, yeah. I'm not I'm not oblivious to

2022
01:09:47,132 --> 01:09:49,148
that fact. Yeah. A tough time to make

2023
01:09:49,206 --> 01:09:51,199
things work for sure. But let's tap into

2024
01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:52,795
the spirit of End endure an an event

2025
01:09:52,795 --> 01:09:54,070
that I think I've heard you say in

2026
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:55,757
the past your favorite event of the year

2027
01:09:55,757 --> 01:09:56,394
stone king rally.

2028
01:09:57,109 --> 01:09:58,564
We had the third and final

2029
01:09:59,258 --> 01:10:01,087
s king rally, just a couple of weeks

2030
01:10:01,087 --> 01:10:01,326
back.

2031
01:10:02,136 --> 01:10:03,967
What is it about that event that that

2032
01:10:03,967 --> 01:10:04,762
kind of speaks to you?

2033
01:10:05,957 --> 01:10:07,627
Well, when I lived in the Us,

2034
01:10:08,264 --> 01:10:09,114
and I was

2035
01:10:09,711 --> 01:10:11,696
started by Daniel Mountain America I didn't really

2036
01:10:11,696 --> 01:10:13,681
start by cross Country biking because in those

2037
01:10:13,681 --> 01:10:14,181
days

2038
01:10:14,555 --> 01:10:16,382
2 very different sports. Now. We have trail

2039
01:10:16,382 --> 01:10:19,256
bikes and you're essentially daniel on a bike

2040
01:10:19,256 --> 01:10:21,162
that pedal up a hill, You know? But

2041
01:10:21,162 --> 01:10:21,400
then...

2042
01:10:22,829 --> 01:10:24,656
So when we rode bikes, it was Downhill

2043
01:10:24,735 --> 01:10:26,640
Labs down the labs and eventually when we

2044
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,464
got, like, bikes that would capable of going

2045
01:10:29,603 --> 01:10:30,322
trail riding.

2046
01:10:32,001 --> 01:10:33,119
I would go for a 2 hour ride,

2047
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:34,158
and I thought that was a man of

2048
01:10:34,158 --> 01:10:35,757
my ride. You know? You're either doing dino

2049
01:10:35,757 --> 01:10:37,595
labs shuttles for a day or or chair

2050
01:10:37,595 --> 01:10:39,121
lift And then when you went in my

2051
01:10:39,121 --> 01:10:40,787
my ride, it's like an hour loop or

2052
01:10:40,787 --> 01:10:41,739
2 hour loop whatever.

2053
01:10:42,295 --> 01:10:43,247
When we got to Europe,

2054
01:10:44,755 --> 01:10:45,255
and

2055
01:10:45,643 --> 01:10:47,946
the besides this the mountains and the length

2056
01:10:47,946 --> 01:10:49,931
of the trails and we... This is what

2057
01:10:49,931 --> 01:10:53,609
we discovered pre Aws with French interior season

2058
01:10:53,919 --> 01:10:56,473
series and super and Mega launch and all

2059
01:10:56,473 --> 01:10:57,112
things like that.

2060
01:10:58,069 --> 01:11:01,342
It's like, it changed my idea and vision

2061
01:11:01,342 --> 01:11:02,081
and concept

2062
01:11:02,872 --> 01:11:05,185
about what mountain biking was. It it was

2063
01:11:05,185 --> 01:11:06,781
no longer a little sport I fitted into

2064
01:11:06,781 --> 01:11:09,014
my work or my job or my my

2065
01:11:09,014 --> 01:11:10,530
off office stay or I worked in a

2066
01:11:10,530 --> 01:11:12,260
bike shop back then and that escape

2067
01:11:12,859 --> 01:11:13,417
distribution company.

2068
01:11:13,977 --> 01:11:14,935
But now it's like,

2069
01:11:15,734 --> 01:11:16,634
it's kind of

2070
01:11:17,332 --> 01:11:18,770
you can go on an old day adventures

2071
01:11:18,770 --> 01:11:21,573
on a bike. And and it's amazing what

2072
01:11:21,573 --> 01:11:22,948
bikes what terrain

2073
01:11:23,481 --> 01:11:25,629
you can cover on bikes is days. Normal

2074
01:11:25,629 --> 01:11:26,504
bikes and bikes.

2075
01:11:28,349 --> 01:11:29,808
So basically, it's the

2076
01:11:30,747 --> 01:11:31,566
and the way

2077
01:11:33,463 --> 01:11:36,100
from this the way the Ed has evolved

2078
01:11:36,100 --> 01:11:38,107
into the short they half day races. By

2079
01:11:38,107 --> 01:11:40,333
the time the pros start, they started after

2080
01:11:40,333 --> 01:11:41,923
12 and they so they were riding for

2081
01:11:41,923 --> 01:11:43,911
5 hours as well. On on the hill

2082
01:11:43,911 --> 01:11:45,978
for 5 hours riding for not not the

2083
01:11:45,978 --> 01:11:46,376
5 hours.

2084
01:11:48,065 --> 01:11:51,197
So the old 2 day full day

2085
01:11:52,052 --> 01:11:53,569
Aws has has sort of changed and got

2086
01:11:53,569 --> 01:11:56,121
more professional on and got, like, super fast

2087
01:11:56,121 --> 01:11:56,574
and

2088
01:11:57,175 --> 01:11:59,095
sports progressed in a long way where both

2089
01:11:59,095 --> 01:12:01,095
equipment wires athlete wise and also the way

2090
01:12:01,095 --> 01:12:02,614
you approach racing the estate.

2091
01:12:03,574 --> 01:12:04,074
So

2092
01:12:04,710 --> 01:12:06,867
I've always liked riding new trails in new

2093
01:12:06,867 --> 01:12:09,185
countries and and riding the best trails and,

2094
01:12:09,265 --> 01:12:10,623
you know, hook out with the local, you're

2095
01:12:10,623 --> 01:12:12,542
finding This is pre trail folks and and

2096
01:12:12,542 --> 01:12:13,421
heat maps and all the rest.

2097
01:12:14,553 --> 01:12:16,940
So to go to an event, like, Stone

2098
01:12:16,940 --> 01:12:19,565
king rally and Ash has done, you know,

2099
01:12:19,803 --> 01:12:22,227
10 years before that with trans He's basically

2100
01:12:22,442 --> 01:12:24,268
done all that thinking out of you. And

2101
01:12:24,268 --> 01:12:24,768
and

2102
01:12:25,141 --> 01:12:25,801
as a

2103
01:12:26,809 --> 01:12:28,794
as a result, he started a whole new

2104
01:12:28,794 --> 01:12:29,294
niche

2105
01:12:30,162 --> 01:12:30,801
race series.

2106
01:12:32,318 --> 01:12:34,255
There's Sierra nor. There's Trans

2107
01:12:34,634 --> 01:12:36,410
there's Trans New Zealand Trans Tasmania.

2108
01:12:37,268 --> 01:12:37,587
There's

2109
01:12:39,038 --> 01:12:39,996
a trans error.

2110
01:12:41,033 --> 01:12:41,752
He has 2 editions.

2111
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:45,662
So it's it's birth the whole... It's almost

2112
01:12:45,662 --> 01:12:47,674
like a whole genre. There's almost different athlete.

2113
01:12:47,993 --> 01:12:48,552
You can take

2114
01:12:50,631 --> 01:12:53,108
Richard Root and Jesse... Actually, Jc I feel

2115
01:12:53,108 --> 01:12:54,786
could do good at these trans races because

2116
01:12:54,786 --> 01:12:55,685
he's pretty

2117
01:12:56,319 --> 01:12:57,675
I mean, not taking the away from Ritchie,

2118
01:12:57,835 --> 01:12:58,335
but

2119
01:12:59,430 --> 01:13:01,506
like, I don't think those guys can win

2120
01:13:01,506 --> 01:13:03,042
these 6 day blind

2121
01:13:03,993 --> 01:13:05,822
on side riding. It's a different style of

2122
01:13:05,822 --> 01:13:07,572
riding. So it's a very pure proper way

2123
01:13:07,572 --> 01:13:09,502
of riding your bike reacting and

2124
01:13:09,877 --> 01:13:13,136
and visualizing and pacing and and planning and

2125
01:13:13,136 --> 01:13:15,717
and keeping your equipment and your body and

2126
01:13:16,171 --> 01:13:18,180
your tires and it's a very

2127
01:13:18,634 --> 01:13:20,301
different type of riding, but it's it's a

2128
01:13:20,301 --> 01:13:20,801
very

2129
01:13:22,545 --> 01:13:24,385
I don't know, like, perhaps the purest or

2130
01:13:24,385 --> 01:13:26,625
the the the the best way of riding

2131
01:13:26,625 --> 01:13:28,704
a bicycle, which these days a bicycle is

2132
01:13:28,704 --> 01:13:29,685
a very capable

2133
01:13:30,319 --> 01:13:32,784
5 to 7 8 inch travel pebble bike.

2134
01:13:34,136 --> 01:13:35,887
So these events are just that. I'm working

2135
01:13:35,887 --> 01:13:37,557
them. I used to raise them in the

2136
01:13:37,557 --> 01:13:38,671
in the earlier additions.

2137
01:13:40,195 --> 01:13:41,648
I've won sum in

2138
01:13:42,340 --> 01:13:44,801
am or master's class and been hell lifted

2139
01:13:44,801 --> 01:13:47,183
in some others, and it was deter actually,

2140
01:13:47,342 --> 01:13:49,527
hill lifted in Chile and and,

2141
01:13:50,220 --> 01:13:52,609
andy specific and and Trans proven,

2142
01:13:53,962 --> 01:13:56,053
maybe somewhere else as well. But

2143
01:13:56,603 --> 01:13:58,431
So it's been basically I I Shoot them,

2144
01:13:58,671 --> 01:13:59,568
but I'm also

2145
01:14:00,022 --> 01:14:01,613
on my bike all day the lighter to

2146
01:14:01,613 --> 01:14:03,918
pack the normal 2 bodies 3, 4 lenses

2147
01:14:03,918 --> 01:14:05,529
and tools, space bags,

2148
01:14:06,408 --> 01:14:08,565
food and stuff. So we're doing the full

2149
01:14:08,565 --> 01:14:09,065
route

2150
01:14:09,844 --> 01:14:11,362
with the us. We are on e bikes

2151
01:14:11,362 --> 01:14:13,771
and they are on normal bikes. But we're

2152
01:14:13,771 --> 01:14:16,334
doing essentially the same the same route and

2153
01:14:16,864 --> 01:14:18,769
some he bikes, you know, they can just

2154
01:14:18,769 --> 01:14:20,276
carry their light bike and we're carrying our

2155
01:14:20,276 --> 01:14:21,410
heavy e bikes and

2156
01:14:21,798 --> 01:14:23,229
a lot of high bucks we can pay

2157
01:14:23,229 --> 01:14:25,056
most of it. But basically,

2158
01:14:25,693 --> 01:14:27,440
I'm leaving camp at 07:30,

2159
01:14:27,838 --> 01:14:30,404
starting to shoot photos from about 07:30

2160
01:14:30,795 --> 01:14:33,192
first stages or opening at 8 08:30 and

2161
01:14:33,192 --> 01:14:35,989
last stages are closing at like, 5 05:30.

2162
01:14:36,628 --> 01:14:38,147
You have all day. So you have all

2163
01:14:38,147 --> 01:14:40,405
sorts of riders from the fitness guys that

2164
01:14:40,718 --> 01:14:43,100
either get to the field pretty quick or

2165
01:14:43,100 --> 01:14:45,164
take their time and stop and have a

2166
01:14:45,164 --> 01:14:47,070
coffee, have a gelato have it be depending

2167
01:14:47,070 --> 01:14:48,103
on what time of the day it is

2168
01:14:48,103 --> 01:14:50,432
and some guys start on a beer and

2169
01:14:50,432 --> 01:14:52,111
end on a coffee. It just depends on

2170
01:14:52,111 --> 01:14:53,869
the crew you with, And it's just like,

2171
01:14:54,509 --> 01:14:55,867
it's the kind of riding holiday you would

2172
01:14:55,867 --> 01:14:57,945
have with your mates, whatever everything's taken care

2173
01:14:57,945 --> 01:15:00,757
of Yes, you're timed, but it's almost like...

2174
01:15:01,237 --> 01:15:02,595
To make you just dig a bit deeper

2175
01:15:02,595 --> 01:15:04,693
and and focus on the trail and

2176
01:15:07,082 --> 01:15:08,988
So, yeah. For me, it's it's a I

2177
01:15:08,988 --> 01:15:10,418
could ride a full week on the bike,

2178
01:15:10,895 --> 01:15:13,833
but I'm still using work as an excuse.

2179
01:15:13,912 --> 01:15:14,730
So I can't

2180
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:16,158
the very little time of the year where

2181
01:15:16,318 --> 01:15:18,416
I can just take away a from family

2182
01:15:18,475 --> 01:15:20,472
or I can't go into riding holiday for

2183
01:15:20,472 --> 01:15:22,470
a week. But this is my riding holiday.

2184
01:15:23,044 --> 01:15:25,277
Just have to do 6 hours in computer

2185
01:15:25,277 --> 01:15:26,314
after my each days.

2186
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:29,425
Are we leaving in hotel beds and and

2187
01:15:29,425 --> 01:15:32,056
the kept the races sleep in tents. So

2188
01:15:32,056 --> 01:15:32,750
we do get

2189
01:15:33,426 --> 01:15:35,176
we're not sleeping much, but we do get

2190
01:15:35,176 --> 01:15:35,414
that.

2191
01:15:36,051 --> 01:15:37,801
We have a real shower and they have,

2192
01:15:37,959 --> 01:15:40,106
like a cow at shower. Yeah. Some of

2193
01:15:40,106 --> 01:15:40,743
them were pretty bad.

2194
01:15:41,555 --> 01:15:42,914
How do you go about replacing that in

2195
01:15:42,914 --> 01:15:45,475
your calendar then? Because we're s rally if

2196
01:15:45,475 --> 01:15:47,314
we believe ash is now finished.

2197
01:15:49,555 --> 01:15:50,774
I mean, if there is a

2198
01:15:51,409 --> 01:15:53,007
Well, if they're having more daniel rounds next

2199
01:15:53,007 --> 01:15:54,925
year, then maybe, like, I don't have it

2200
01:15:54,925 --> 01:15:57,642
in my calendar anymore. Yeah. But we've... The

2201
01:15:57,642 --> 01:15:59,400
last 2 seasons we have had a a

2202
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:02,051
break the mid season break, which, I guess

2203
01:16:02,051 --> 01:16:03,729
won't really exist if you have more rounds

2204
01:16:03,729 --> 01:16:04,128
next year.

2205
01:16:06,685 --> 01:16:08,766
It's it's a bit of a weird 1

2206
01:16:08,766 --> 01:16:10,515
having, like, it's so busy, and then there's

2207
01:16:10,515 --> 01:16:12,739
so many events doubled stacked on top of

2208
01:16:12,739 --> 01:16:13,851
each other I think they had, like,

2209
01:16:15,203 --> 01:16:15,362
like,

2210
01:16:16,012 --> 01:16:18,581
like, I think they had, like, cape Epic

2211
01:16:18,956 --> 01:16:21,899
crank works and Australia national champs on the

2212
01:16:21,899 --> 01:16:23,822
same weekend. You know, we have... We just

2213
01:16:23,822 --> 01:16:25,728
had 6 months of no racing whatsoever over,

2214
01:16:25,807 --> 01:16:28,191
and then you tripled stack 3 big events,

2215
01:16:28,350 --> 01:16:29,724
even if some are different

2216
01:16:30,513 --> 01:16:33,546
disciplines even like cape Epic. But from a

2217
01:16:33,546 --> 01:16:36,362
media standpoint or a industry standpoint or

2218
01:16:37,138 --> 01:16:38,336
fan standpoint, like,

2219
01:16:39,306 --> 01:16:41,608
know, stretch the racing out earlier and later,

2220
01:16:41,766 --> 01:16:43,671
which he could do with the southern Hemisphere

2221
01:16:43,671 --> 01:16:43,829
stops.

2222
01:16:45,495 --> 01:16:46,844
But so what... You know, I don't know

2223
01:16:46,844 --> 01:16:49,643
what I replace transfer runs. So s really.

2224
01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:52,212
I think 1 thing Ash has done different

2225
01:16:52,269 --> 01:16:53,940
to trans bonds. Where we kept the root

2226
01:16:53,940 --> 01:16:54,440
secret

2227
01:16:55,308 --> 01:16:57,931
is he's develop these routes to develop sort

2228
01:16:57,931 --> 01:16:59,305
of hubs in these

2229
01:16:59,838 --> 01:17:02,382
smaller towns in France and Italy are along

2230
01:17:02,382 --> 01:17:03,654
the kind of du on both sides of

2231
01:17:03,654 --> 01:17:04,313
the border

2232
01:17:04,703 --> 01:17:06,618
and he's developed, built,

2233
01:17:07,814 --> 01:17:10,685
opened existing trail and built new connected trail,

2234
01:17:11,083 --> 01:17:12,759
but he's also left each of these towns

2235
01:17:12,759 --> 01:17:14,707
that we visited over the last 3 years

2236
01:17:14,844 --> 01:17:16,594
with the sort of infrastructure and a hub

2237
01:17:16,594 --> 01:17:19,060
there's the hotel for people to base out

2238
01:17:19,060 --> 01:17:20,594
of they can ride that

2239
01:17:20,984 --> 01:17:22,582
over 3 different years, we've written kind of

2240
01:17:22,582 --> 01:17:23,861
all 3 sides at the hill and the

2241
01:17:23,861 --> 01:17:25,458
mountain and the and and in that area.

2242
01:17:26,177 --> 01:17:27,696
Instead of doing a 6 day point to

2243
01:17:27,696 --> 01:17:29,466
point race, you can go... You can still

2244
01:17:29,466 --> 01:17:31,219
do that with your friends and you can

2245
01:17:31,219 --> 01:17:32,814
use Ash for the shuttles. They do put

2246
01:17:32,814 --> 01:17:33,212
on trips.

2247
01:17:33,930 --> 01:17:36,502
But you can chop up to the town

2248
01:17:36,893 --> 01:17:39,354
and ride the first 2 or 3 days

2249
01:17:39,354 --> 01:17:41,021
of the stone king rally being based in

2250
01:17:41,021 --> 01:17:42,926
1 town, but you can ride all the

2251
01:17:42,926 --> 01:17:45,089
best trails that we've used over 3 years

2252
01:17:45,089 --> 01:17:46,688
because it uses different trails each 3 years.

2253
01:17:46,847 --> 01:17:49,324
So so essentially, you've got, you know,

2254
01:17:50,123 --> 01:17:51,802
1, you got a week or a weekend

2255
01:17:51,802 --> 01:17:53,454
trip in each little stop

2256
01:17:53,970 --> 01:17:56,273
offering a huge network of trail. So... And

2257
01:17:56,273 --> 01:17:57,249
that's what he's

2258
01:17:57,702 --> 01:18:00,083
kinda his vision for the future is self

2259
01:18:00,083 --> 01:18:00,957
sustainable creating.

2260
01:18:01,765 --> 01:18:03,670
Employment and lifeblood for these little towns. I

2261
01:18:03,670 --> 01:18:06,154
live in a little time And the bike

2262
01:18:06,368 --> 01:18:08,987
tourism is kept it's the lifeblood of the

2263
01:18:08,987 --> 01:18:11,468
town. It's kept people employed. To keep people

2264
01:18:11,468 --> 01:18:12,822
in town, get the young people in town,

2265
01:18:13,140 --> 01:18:15,291
has brought young people back to town, it's

2266
01:18:15,291 --> 01:18:17,362
brought real estate back. You know, it's the

2267
01:18:17,362 --> 01:18:18,477
same story all over the world.

2268
01:18:19,208 --> 01:18:20,265
So I think

2269
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,743
it's great that he's doing that. And he

2270
01:18:23,743 --> 01:18:25,413
did leave some kind of hint in terms

2271
01:18:25,413 --> 01:18:27,561
of the stone king rally is over.

2272
01:18:28,215 --> 01:18:30,155
So maybe as a race, but maybe...

2273
01:18:30,854 --> 01:18:32,375
I don't know Maybe it's just e bike

2274
01:18:32,375 --> 01:18:33,895
weeks with your mates. If you don't need

2275
01:18:33,895 --> 01:18:35,335
shuttles. I don't know what it's gonna be.

2276
01:18:35,574 --> 01:18:37,584
Yeah. Be nice. So if you could pick

2277
01:18:37,584 --> 01:18:39,893
1 of the places for like a ride

2278
01:18:39,893 --> 01:18:42,442
in day or days with your mates that

2279
01:18:42,442 --> 01:18:44,273
wasn't Mile along the route, which 1 would

2280
01:18:44,273 --> 01:18:44,591
you pick?

2281
01:18:45,402 --> 01:18:47,888
I I would look today. Each 1

2282
01:18:48,580 --> 01:18:50,567
because there's the Vi, which has a huge,

2283
01:18:51,282 --> 01:18:52,100
more purposeful

2284
01:18:52,569 --> 01:18:54,238
because they've got a very strong mountain by

2285
01:18:54,238 --> 01:18:56,465
club and super passionate people. So they've got

2286
01:18:56,465 --> 01:18:56,703
trails.

2287
01:18:57,419 --> 01:18:58,850
The day we arrive in the day we

2288
01:18:58,850 --> 01:19:00,202
leave on either side, but then there's a,

2289
01:19:00,918 --> 01:19:03,422
which is the second day which is this

2290
01:19:03,559 --> 01:19:06,823
huge vertical, like every trails like, we only

2291
01:19:06,823 --> 01:19:08,972
erased, like half the vertical 1 2 them

2292
01:19:08,972 --> 01:19:10,348
this year because they literally

2293
01:19:10,739 --> 01:19:12,100
too long to do as a race stage

2294
01:19:12,100 --> 01:19:12,659
because would be...

2295
01:19:13,780 --> 01:19:15,300
They're so physical and gnarly,

2296
01:19:15,939 --> 01:19:17,460
if you had to do without stopping, you

2297
01:19:17,460 --> 01:19:19,060
would actually not enjoy the ride or yeah.

2298
01:19:19,300 --> 01:19:21,305
Breaks or bike. Arms or hands or fingers

2299
01:19:21,305 --> 01:19:22,258
could fall apart. Like,

2300
01:19:23,369 --> 01:19:25,354
even though 1 staring into me... It's trail

2301
01:19:25,354 --> 01:19:26,386
into mile millennials. I was like, as should

2302
01:19:26,386 --> 01:19:27,657
we start up top and we finished out

2303
01:19:27,657 --> 01:19:29,109
on the bar, He's like, dude

2304
01:19:30,217 --> 01:19:31,653
you think it's nice to do that because

2305
01:19:31,653 --> 01:19:33,168
you stopped 20 times when you do that

2306
01:19:33,168 --> 01:19:34,364
child you made. If you did that as

2307
01:19:34,364 --> 01:19:35,960
1 race that they would hate you and

2308
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:37,555
that at a terrible horrible time and they'd

2309
01:19:37,555 --> 01:19:39,564
be crashing and importing in the river at

2310
01:19:39,564 --> 01:19:40,862
the end of the trial. So

2311
01:19:42,916 --> 01:19:45,390
there's tons of vertical and other trails and

2312
01:19:45,390 --> 01:19:46,986
to do the full link of trails. It's

2313
01:19:46,986 --> 01:19:48,838
almost, like sometimes better not to do it

2314
01:19:48,838 --> 01:19:50,356
as a race because you can session with

2315
01:19:50,356 --> 01:19:52,912
your mates or take race breaks. Unless your

2316
01:19:52,912 --> 01:19:54,830
foot race, like, you train for that race.

2317
01:19:55,962 --> 01:19:58,507
But pump is real and if you're descending

2318
01:19:58,507 --> 01:19:59,484
for 10 minutes

2319
01:19:59,859 --> 01:20:01,609
on gnarly fast trails like,

2320
01:20:02,579 --> 01:20:04,899
more technical and and gnarly than any darling

2321
01:20:04,899 --> 01:20:06,899
world cup track. You know, you're gonna get

2322
01:20:06,899 --> 01:20:08,520
tired. And and so

2323
01:20:09,219 --> 01:20:10,500
I don't know if there's the high Alpine

2324
01:20:10,500 --> 01:20:12,154
saf with Glen Macarthur lives

2325
01:20:13,314 --> 01:20:14,594
which is on the French side,

2326
01:20:15,635 --> 01:20:17,875
in the Q. Yeah. Yeah. I'd do a

2327
01:20:17,875 --> 01:20:19,795
weekend there. Some Paris do a weekend there

2328
01:20:20,354 --> 01:20:21,154
Do a weekend there.

2329
01:20:21,889 --> 01:20:24,197
Then what's in between, then you got, like,

2330
01:20:24,435 --> 01:20:24,754
Junior,

2331
01:20:26,028 --> 01:20:28,734
then the Royal Valley, a weekend there, and

2332
01:20:28,734 --> 01:20:29,472
then Mile

2333
01:20:29,783 --> 01:20:31,923
to San Rem area, a weekend there. I

2334
01:20:31,923 --> 01:20:34,141
mean, it's... Studio... You can a week in

2335
01:20:34,141 --> 01:20:35,725
each of the. Yes. Never mind a weekend.

2336
01:20:36,122 --> 01:20:36,859
And Ash

2337
01:20:37,169 --> 01:20:38,365
just as a day in each of those

2338
01:20:38,365 --> 01:20:39,721
places. It's there's a lot more to be

2339
01:20:39,721 --> 01:20:39,881
done,

2340
01:20:41,555 --> 01:20:43,151
you know, and it's just really...

2341
01:20:44,427 --> 01:20:46,102
Yeah. It's just we're lucky in Europe to

2342
01:20:46,102 --> 01:20:46,602
have

2343
01:20:47,233 --> 01:20:50,261
this history in of of trails basically, and

2344
01:20:51,137 --> 01:20:53,289
and that it does take a special soul

2345
01:20:53,289 --> 01:20:54,029
to put

2346
01:20:55,536 --> 01:20:58,487
to put together to open all trails because

2347
01:20:58,487 --> 01:21:00,980
the popular ones are often quite bon

2348
01:21:01,357 --> 01:21:02,096
or jan

2349
01:21:02,713 --> 01:21:05,864
and rough But Asha ashes opened up, literally

2350
01:21:06,164 --> 01:21:07,604
trails that were haven't been used for 50

2351
01:21:07,604 --> 01:21:09,845
years and and those are kind of lo

2352
01:21:09,845 --> 01:21:11,100
or smooth or that

2353
01:21:11,458 --> 01:21:14,569
better turns because they were built for pre

2354
01:21:14,569 --> 01:21:16,961
dating certain vehicles, so they needed to be

2355
01:21:16,961 --> 01:21:18,716
able to carry a coffin around a corner

2356
01:21:18,716 --> 01:21:20,390
or a ox or something. So, like,

2357
01:21:21,203 --> 01:21:21,703
certain

2358
01:21:22,323 --> 01:21:24,161
age of trails are are are better for

2359
01:21:24,161 --> 01:21:26,398
certain things. Yeah. Amazing Yeah other history in

2360
01:21:26,398 --> 01:21:28,475
that place is is insane for sure. Yeah.

2361
01:21:28,716 --> 01:21:29,354
And then there's, like,

2362
01:21:30,170 --> 01:21:32,010
mind like, luckily I a photographers, I could

2363
01:21:32,010 --> 01:21:33,770
stop. If I see this room and I'm

2364
01:21:33,770 --> 01:21:35,529
like, oh my god. I'm taking a photo

2365
01:21:35,529 --> 01:21:36,429
with this room

2366
01:21:36,810 --> 01:21:38,170
and the riders and then, like,

2367
01:21:38,822 --> 01:21:40,573
the writers don't don't see it. They don't

2368
01:21:40,573 --> 01:21:42,085
even see the room. And like I like,

2369
01:21:42,323 --> 01:21:43,597
and then those... They're quite happy to see

2370
01:21:43,597 --> 01:21:44,950
the photos because Like, I I had no

2371
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:46,478
idea and some of them were like, I

2372
01:21:46,478 --> 01:21:47,832
had no idea I was on a cliff

2373
01:21:47,832 --> 01:21:49,426
band. And I was like, yeah, we knew,

2374
01:21:49,585 --> 01:21:51,417
and you were told in your notes and

2375
01:21:51,417 --> 01:21:53,328
it was safe enough that Ashley, you weren't

2376
01:21:53,328 --> 01:21:54,864
gonna fall off to the right, but

2377
01:21:55,414 --> 01:21:56,314
Yeah. It's,

2378
01:21:56,854 --> 01:21:58,694
yeah. It's it's nice to do as a

2379
01:21:58,694 --> 01:22:00,375
race, but I feel it could be better

2380
01:22:00,375 --> 01:22:02,295
to do as a weekend or weak trip

2381
01:22:02,295 --> 01:22:04,295
with your mates. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The touring

2382
01:22:04,295 --> 01:22:06,779
club by brexit the race. Yeah. Yeah nice.

2383
01:22:07,257 --> 01:22:09,088
You... You mentioned Mali, and obviously, you guys

2384
01:22:09,088 --> 01:22:11,158
have a place there. And then, I think

2385
01:22:11,158 --> 01:22:12,353
there's probably a lot of people that are

2386
01:22:12,353 --> 01:22:12,932
kind of

2387
01:22:13,243 --> 01:22:14,382
en of your

2388
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:15,796
lifestyle that you've created.

2389
01:22:16,275 --> 01:22:18,449
I'm interested in whether that's like, evolved

2390
01:22:19,067 --> 01:22:21,459
almost organically because of what you do or

2391
01:22:21,459 --> 01:22:23,649
whether like you and anchor of put,

2392
01:22:24,345 --> 01:22:26,898
like, a lot of consideration and thought into

2393
01:22:26,898 --> 01:22:28,036
kinda how you

2394
01:22:28,812 --> 01:22:30,805
work out what your life's gonna look like

2395
01:22:30,805 --> 01:22:32,560
where you're gonna base yourself how you're gonna

2396
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:32,800
operate.

2397
01:22:33,692 --> 01:22:36,636
Yeah. It's it started quite a bit before

2398
01:22:36,636 --> 01:22:39,502
that around 2008

2399
01:22:39,502 --> 01:22:41,810
when I started shooting full time. I basically

2400
01:22:41,810 --> 01:22:42,819
started seeing I was

2401
01:22:43,417 --> 01:22:44,475
working all summers

2402
01:22:44,932 --> 01:22:46,788
very little time to do our own thing

2403
01:22:46,846 --> 01:22:49,319
outside of the World cup seasons. Right? And

2404
01:22:49,319 --> 01:22:50,994
most of the interest in Daniel and then

2405
01:22:50,994 --> 01:22:52,270
prevailed is Daniel and End,

2406
01:22:52,843 --> 01:22:55,154
done in Crank works done in Crank ramp

2407
01:22:55,154 --> 01:22:56,587
based, hard line, you know, like...

2408
01:22:57,703 --> 01:23:00,092
So increasingly, there's less time In Europe used

2409
01:23:00,092 --> 01:23:01,979
to be something I would do because our

2410
01:23:02,178 --> 01:23:04,009
could do it, and I was working shooting

2411
01:23:04,009 --> 01:23:06,634
down your racing. So basically, it became very

2412
01:23:06,634 --> 01:23:09,122
apparent to us. We need to be somewhere

2413
01:23:09,354 --> 01:23:11,182
and the shoulder seasons or the off seasons

2414
01:23:11,182 --> 01:23:13,567
where we can enjoy riding our bike outside

2415
01:23:13,567 --> 01:23:14,760
of work for for both of us for

2416
01:23:14,839 --> 01:23:16,509
Uncle was training or, you know,

2417
01:23:17,239 --> 01:23:18,997
So we would originally move to Oregon from

2418
01:23:19,157 --> 01:23:21,155
California because we could afford and was kind

2419
01:23:21,155 --> 01:23:23,552
of better season. But then there was too

2420
01:23:23,552 --> 01:23:25,230
much snow in Oregon, so we're like, okay,

2421
01:23:25,962 --> 01:23:27,312
we need to be in the Southern Hemisphere,

2422
01:23:27,470 --> 01:23:28,209
but where

2423
01:23:28,980 --> 01:23:31,283
basically settled on New Zealand. So all these

2424
01:23:31,283 --> 01:23:32,737
choices were based on

2425
01:23:34,079 --> 01:23:35,520
we need to still be able to work,

2426
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:38,260
but we also wanna maximize

2427
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:40,960
our on bike time at the best times

2428
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,130
of the year when we are free and

2429
01:23:43,130 --> 01:23:44,963
where it's also maybe peak seasons for those

2430
01:23:44,963 --> 01:23:45,363
areas.

2431
01:23:46,319 --> 01:23:48,313
And then when we would basically, you know,

2432
01:23:48,631 --> 01:23:50,567
be in New Zealand from October to

2433
01:23:50,958 --> 01:23:53,426
to April was that's the best time to

2434
01:23:53,506 --> 01:23:55,177
Mountain Mike New Zealand and and 1 of

2435
01:23:55,177 --> 01:23:56,234
the best countries

2436
01:23:56,849 --> 01:23:58,734
without a doubt, Nelson, 1 of the best

2437
01:23:58,854 --> 01:24:00,614
cities in New Zealand Towns in New Zealand

2438
01:24:00,614 --> 01:24:02,774
to 2 Mountain Bike. Most vertical, most natural

2439
01:24:02,774 --> 01:24:04,935
terrain, and I'm always more skewed to a

2440
01:24:04,935 --> 01:24:06,614
natural terrain versus a bike park. Yeah.

2441
01:24:08,308 --> 01:24:08,786
And then...

2442
01:24:09,822 --> 01:24:12,211
But then being based in Europe, we can't

2443
01:24:12,211 --> 01:24:13,803
come back and forth to New Zealand or

2444
01:24:13,883 --> 01:24:14,520
South Africa.

2445
01:24:14,998 --> 01:24:17,480
So we living out of bags for months

2446
01:24:17,480 --> 01:24:19,622
at a time, which in 2019 rented did

2447
01:24:19,622 --> 01:24:20,416
the lowest podcast,

2448
01:24:20,971 --> 01:24:22,875
we were looking for a place. Border placed

2449
01:24:22,875 --> 01:24:23,986
the end of 2019,

2450
01:24:24,145 --> 01:24:25,042
and we chose

2451
01:24:26,226 --> 01:24:28,378
Initially, we're looking in Mo and Finale like,

2452
01:24:28,537 --> 01:24:30,131
I don't where everything's going on on both

2453
01:24:30,290 --> 01:24:32,862
Daniel and euro, child bike and friends

2454
01:24:33,254 --> 01:24:35,806
and a vibe. Yeah. But then we quickly

2455
01:24:35,806 --> 01:24:36,306
realize

2456
01:24:36,923 --> 01:24:38,938
we are flat out in the season

2457
01:24:39,555 --> 01:24:41,490
at all these events with all these people

2458
01:24:41,628 --> 01:24:42,960
when we have the odd week

2459
01:24:43,399 --> 01:24:45,074
before the season after the season or during

2460
01:24:45,074 --> 01:24:47,150
the season, there's very few weeks actually open.

2461
01:24:47,310 --> 01:24:49,625
But when we do, it'd be nice to

2462
01:24:49,625 --> 01:24:51,621
actually be in a more told place.

2463
01:24:53,068 --> 01:24:56,006
But still, you know, early enough for shoulder

2464
01:24:56,006 --> 01:24:58,230
season, so basically that meant Southern Europe, which

2465
01:24:58,230 --> 01:24:59,819
meant italy lyon or Southern France.

2466
01:25:00,628 --> 01:25:02,377
And then the way of life in at

2467
01:25:02,377 --> 01:25:03,489
leaves sort of better,

2468
01:25:04,283 --> 01:25:06,112
we we resonate better with it than the

2469
01:25:06,192 --> 01:25:07,622
French way of life, the coffee is better.

2470
01:25:08,114 --> 01:25:09,071
That drinks are cheaper,

2471
01:25:09,788 --> 01:25:11,621
their property. And then we're so we're looking

2472
01:25:11,621 --> 01:25:13,795
for finale area, but then Med,

2473
01:25:14,969 --> 01:25:16,899
go put on the map think Steve Jones

2474
01:25:16,899 --> 01:25:18,737
and Dirt magazine did an article on it.

2475
01:25:18,896 --> 01:25:20,894
And we ended up there, and then we

2476
01:25:20,894 --> 01:25:21,613
realized, you know,

2477
01:25:22,412 --> 01:25:24,671
everything we need. We we just

2478
01:25:25,223 --> 01:25:27,370
need a base. Don't... And the fact that

2479
01:25:27,370 --> 01:25:29,619
it's quiet and more rural and and

2480
01:25:30,391 --> 01:25:31,663
it was actually perfect for us. It was

2481
01:25:31,663 --> 01:25:34,787
this out downtime and But then the bonus

2482
01:25:34,787 --> 01:25:36,546
was it had, like, to meet some of

2483
01:25:36,546 --> 01:25:38,944
the best trail riding on the doorstep from

2484
01:25:38,944 --> 01:25:41,181
the house or in a shuttle or on

2485
01:25:41,181 --> 01:25:42,835
pedals or or with the e bike

2486
01:25:43,992 --> 01:25:46,626
and it's hour from Airport, 30 minutes from

2487
01:25:46,626 --> 01:25:47,823
the beach if you wanna go to the

2488
01:25:47,823 --> 01:25:49,920
beach and got rivers swimming and

2489
01:25:51,989 --> 01:25:53,747
it's small enough we can never get over

2490
01:25:53,747 --> 01:25:56,304
overrun. Mh. But there's 2 solid operators,

2491
01:25:57,502 --> 01:25:59,041
millennium to be a a typical

2492
01:25:59,354 --> 01:26:01,029
and between the 2 of those and and

2493
01:26:01,029 --> 01:26:02,805
the 1 or 2 companies that

2494
01:26:03,502 --> 01:26:06,613
c... That join up with them from Finale

2495
01:26:06,613 --> 01:26:07,330
or from France.

2496
01:26:09,894 --> 01:26:11,481
It's just enough. We still need I'd say,

2497
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,226
more trail builders in the valley for for

2498
01:26:13,226 --> 01:26:14,971
the amount of attention it's getting now, like,

2499
01:26:15,131 --> 01:26:18,162
there's definitely scope to develop that into more

2500
01:26:18,162 --> 01:26:19,539
permanent full time

2501
01:26:20,156 --> 01:26:23,106
sort of non partisan travel that works maybe

2502
01:26:23,106 --> 01:26:25,020
for the commune and and not for either,

2503
01:26:25,179 --> 01:26:25,418
you know,

2504
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:28,622
because each trail, all the the shuttle companies

2505
01:26:28,622 --> 01:26:31,573
are also doing... Their own building own building

2506
01:26:31,573 --> 01:26:34,364
and and maintenance and opening and and the

2507
01:26:34,364 --> 01:26:35,241
problem is we have, like,

2508
01:26:37,806 --> 01:26:41,474
40 trails and they over, like, from 600

2509
01:26:41,474 --> 01:26:41,974
to

2510
01:26:42,350 --> 01:26:43,626
for 1600 meter drop,

2511
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:45,099
And that's

2512
01:26:45,557 --> 01:26:47,395
probably kilometers wise in in the hundreds and

2513
01:26:47,395 --> 01:26:49,314
hundreds of kilometers. It's a lot of maintenance.

2514
01:26:49,553 --> 01:26:51,551
So know... And it's 1 thing maintenance, but

2515
01:26:51,551 --> 01:26:54,041
then, like, you know, it's streaming. There's is

2516
01:26:54,041 --> 01:26:55,715
a job that nobody wants to do. Yeah.

2517
01:26:55,953 --> 01:26:58,106
But when you're in a Sub Alpine, Alpine

2518
01:26:58,106 --> 01:26:59,859
or above tree like, you can't ride the

2519
01:26:59,859 --> 01:27:02,343
trails if they're overgrown. But nobody wants a

2520
01:27:02,343 --> 01:27:04,650
str a 10 kilometer track, but it needs

2521
01:27:04,650 --> 01:27:06,002
to get done, so it it does get

2522
01:27:06,002 --> 01:27:07,912
done. But then there's also, you know, your

2523
01:27:07,912 --> 01:27:10,801
be, you fixing your your rut and your

2524
01:27:10,801 --> 01:27:12,559
winter rising the tracks to shut them down

2525
01:27:12,559 --> 01:27:13,758
and get them prepped for the next season.

2526
01:27:13,917 --> 01:27:14,497
And so

2527
01:27:15,196 --> 01:27:15,855
there's always,

2528
01:27:17,925 --> 01:27:20,020
yeah. There's always room for more development

2529
01:27:22,073 --> 01:27:24,398
and trail building, but Then this and I

2530
01:27:24,398 --> 01:27:25,989
help a lot with that actually with with

2531
01:27:25,989 --> 01:27:28,080
initiatives to raise money so we can fully

2532
01:27:28,216 --> 01:27:28,716
employ

2533
01:27:29,330 --> 01:27:31,159
permanent travels, which we've done in the last

2534
01:27:31,159 --> 01:27:34,283
couple of years. Through different initiatives and, Santa

2535
01:27:34,363 --> 01:27:35,103
Cruz also

2536
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:36,757
with their dirt fund

2537
01:27:37,156 --> 01:27:37,975
yeah. Granted

2538
01:27:38,353 --> 01:27:39,092
for some

2539
01:27:39,644 --> 01:27:41,558
Yeah. So that that goes a long way

2540
01:27:41,558 --> 01:27:43,871
in a small community when a lot of

2541
01:27:43,871 --> 01:27:46,104
people do many different jobs there. Like, sometimes

2542
01:27:46,104 --> 01:27:48,099
the plumber is also the trail build that

2543
01:27:48,099 --> 01:27:49,216
is also the shuttle guy.

2544
01:27:50,908 --> 01:27:52,746
And he's maybe growing your tomatoes as well.

2545
01:27:52,985 --> 01:27:55,223
So, like, it's it's pretty cool. And you

2546
01:27:55,223 --> 01:27:57,141
can get everything that we eat is pretty

2547
01:27:57,141 --> 01:27:58,360
much grown

2548
01:27:59,154 --> 01:28:02,435
the malt cheese tomatoes, whatever within 5 the

2549
01:28:02,435 --> 01:28:04,755
the other mo grown within 5 kilometers. The

2550
01:28:04,755 --> 01:28:06,685
malt... You know, so it's it's a very

2551
01:28:06,685 --> 01:28:08,355
healthy way of living and it's made me

2552
01:28:08,355 --> 01:28:09,548
a bit healthier in the last few years,

2553
01:28:09,628 --> 01:28:10,128
and

2554
01:28:10,503 --> 01:28:12,173
I get to ride my bike more and

2555
01:28:13,063 --> 01:28:14,412
And I I like to live in a

2556
01:28:14,412 --> 01:28:15,998
place where I need to have, like,

2557
01:28:17,346 --> 01:28:20,377
a zap that's 1 71 80, like, It's

2558
01:28:20,377 --> 01:28:21,968
it's like, because we spend some of the

2559
01:28:21,968 --> 01:28:23,320
year in Cape town, where I have, like,

2560
01:28:23,797 --> 01:28:26,422
a toll boy with a 01:50 or 01:44

2561
01:28:26,422 --> 01:28:26,922
and

2562
01:28:27,234 --> 01:28:29,951
that's kinda plenty. Yeah. Then I'm just serving

2563
01:28:29,951 --> 01:28:30,930
mostly, but

2564
01:28:31,469 --> 01:28:33,707
between Nelson and Mile, like, I like the

2565
01:28:33,707 --> 01:28:34,745
fact that I live in the place where

2566
01:28:34,825 --> 01:28:36,837
I need guitar or a no or a

2567
01:28:36,837 --> 01:28:38,276
bullet or something. You know Like,

2568
01:28:39,074 --> 01:28:40,673
I don't wanna live permanently in a place

2569
01:28:40,673 --> 01:28:42,691
that just requires a tall white because that

2570
01:28:43,163 --> 01:28:45,238
that's what Ben Oregon was and and we

2571
01:28:45,238 --> 01:28:47,871
left... It was a lovely community, but was

2572
01:28:47,871 --> 01:28:48,589
the trails went

2573
01:28:49,227 --> 01:28:50,837
weren't good enough to keep. I love it.

2574
01:28:50,997 --> 01:28:52,591
I love the way you choose your location

2575
01:28:52,591 --> 01:28:54,345
based on the Santa Creek product you wanna

2576
01:28:54,345 --> 01:28:56,975
ride there. Well, I guess let's... We won't

2577
01:28:56,975 --> 01:28:57,932
be brand specific.

2578
01:28:58,824 --> 01:29:00,824
If you need to double down or a

2579
01:29:00,824 --> 01:29:02,744
daniel rear tire, and you need at least

2580
01:29:02,744 --> 01:29:04,824
a 1 to 74, then you're living a

2581
01:29:04,824 --> 01:29:06,104
pretty good. And it good spot. Yeah. I

2582
01:29:06,104 --> 01:29:08,427
reckon. Although, like, I do get lazy, and

2583
01:29:08,507 --> 01:29:10,018
I... I I've heard your podcast. You do

2584
01:29:10,018 --> 01:29:12,800
the same because I, like, I... I'm not

2585
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:14,310
racing so I had... I do go the

2586
01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:16,034
xl plus on the front because I go

2587
01:29:16,474 --> 01:29:17,194
and Max grip,

2588
01:29:18,392 --> 01:29:20,070
but, yeah, just to keep the weight down,

2589
01:29:21,109 --> 01:29:22,627
I'd rather fix my flat than have a

2590
01:29:22,627 --> 01:29:23,027
heavy bike.

2591
01:29:23,826 --> 01:29:25,511
Good on you. But we should start wrapping

2592
01:29:25,511 --> 01:29:27,099
up, but the Yeah. 1 thing I do

2593
01:29:27,099 --> 01:29:29,004
wanna ask. I mean, you spend a lot

2594
01:29:29,004 --> 01:29:30,908
of time on the hill throughout the season

2595
01:29:30,908 --> 01:29:31,543
at these races.

2596
01:29:32,194 --> 01:29:33,471
And it be cool to hear from you,

2597
01:29:33,631 --> 01:29:34,929
like, a couple of riders

2598
01:29:35,386 --> 01:29:37,063
who are exciting you at the moment. Like,

2599
01:29:37,142 --> 01:29:38,738
who are you enjoy watching? Who do you

2600
01:29:38,738 --> 01:29:40,229
think might be the next kinda

2601
01:29:40,748 --> 01:29:41,705
breakout riders.

2602
01:29:43,859 --> 01:29:45,076
You know, obviously, the

2603
01:29:45,932 --> 01:29:48,506
the the near future is is

2604
01:29:50,332 --> 01:29:53,507
is Jackson and and Ass, and and I

2605
01:29:53,507 --> 01:29:55,967
don't wanna just mention them because it's not

2606
01:29:55,967 --> 01:29:57,896
fair on anybody else, but

2607
01:29:59,079 --> 01:30:01,157
It's pretty apparent for our and his first

2608
01:30:01,157 --> 01:30:03,474
year junior, first time at a venue.

2609
01:30:05,551 --> 01:30:07,641
At least we've seen he's not superhuman and

2610
01:30:07,641 --> 01:30:09,074
he hasn't just had a clean sweep of

2611
01:30:09,074 --> 01:30:11,168
the series, which I think for him

2612
01:30:11,703 --> 01:30:13,694
might be a bit disappointing, but it's also

2613
01:30:13,694 --> 01:30:15,287
probably the best thing that could happen to

2614
01:30:15,287 --> 01:30:17,689
him. Yeah. Just like it was for Jackson

2615
01:30:17,689 --> 01:30:19,438
to have Jordan beat him, like, it only

2616
01:30:19,438 --> 01:30:21,426
raises the the game. And also he started

2617
01:30:21,426 --> 01:30:22,800
the season not actually

2618
01:30:23,333 --> 01:30:25,097
super with a lot of bike time and

2619
01:30:25,097 --> 01:30:26,132
and Yeah physically fit.

2620
01:30:27,484 --> 01:30:28,939
So just seeing how

2621
01:30:29,472 --> 01:30:32,273
good they already are at how seasoned they

2622
01:30:32,273 --> 01:30:33,011
really are

2623
01:30:33,546 --> 01:30:36,093
without ever having the experience like Jackson's 1

2624
01:30:36,093 --> 01:30:38,503
of the most experienced Daniel is

2625
01:30:39,054 --> 01:30:40,653
But where the hell does to get that

2626
01:30:40,653 --> 01:30:43,689
experience from? Isn't so. Like, it's pretty crazy

2627
01:30:43,689 --> 01:30:46,006
how the sport has become so professional that

2628
01:30:46,006 --> 01:30:48,418
they're arriving at first year junior kinda like

2629
01:30:48,497 --> 01:30:50,731
Valley almost it although. She learned a lot

2630
01:30:50,731 --> 01:30:51,390
through her

2631
01:30:52,246 --> 01:30:53,363
crashes in her race craft,

2632
01:30:55,596 --> 01:30:57,851
you know, seeing Elliott was 1 of the

2633
01:30:58,085 --> 01:30:59,844
1 of the junior girls set foster time

2634
01:30:59,844 --> 01:31:02,024
of the days and similar conditions is,

2635
01:31:03,204 --> 01:31:05,604
you know, pretty crazy. So, like, the future,

2636
01:31:05,764 --> 01:31:07,618
we don't have to worry about, like, you

2637
01:31:07,618 --> 01:31:09,626
know, just when you thought, like, the

2638
01:31:11,189 --> 01:31:12,776
the Jackson would be a a once in

2639
01:31:12,776 --> 01:31:14,283
a lifetime athlete then the next year you

2640
01:31:14,283 --> 01:31:16,085
have, like, acid coming or you or you

2641
01:31:16,283 --> 01:31:17,637
know, you think it was only like 1

2642
01:31:17,637 --> 01:31:19,253
luke B and Lori and

2643
01:31:20,426 --> 01:31:23,294
Alm, and there's just, you know, more more

2644
01:31:23,294 --> 01:31:24,989
in the wings. And then

2645
01:31:28,332 --> 01:31:30,247
everybody's is so good. Like I don't know...

2646
01:31:30,406 --> 01:31:30,566
Like,

2647
01:31:31,444 --> 01:31:33,771
there's very few people that don't shoot good.

2648
01:31:33,930 --> 01:31:35,684
When you're getting to that top 50,

2649
01:31:36,162 --> 01:31:37,597
and this is like, it's... And I'm not

2650
01:31:37,597 --> 01:31:39,670
saying top 10. When you get to that

2651
01:31:39,670 --> 01:31:40,307
top 50,

2652
01:31:41,595 --> 01:31:43,368
pro athlete, you're all

2653
01:31:43,822 --> 01:31:46,208
within that timeline, which means you're riding at

2654
01:31:46,208 --> 01:31:48,275
a certain thing, which means you're to ride

2655
01:31:48,275 --> 01:31:49,707
that good. Your technique has to be good.

2656
01:31:49,866 --> 01:31:52,748
And for techniques good, your style generally good.

2657
01:31:52,988 --> 01:31:54,342
There's some writers that give it a bit

2658
01:31:54,342 --> 01:31:56,176
more or or, like, know you there, and

2659
01:31:56,176 --> 01:31:56,335
they,

2660
01:31:57,132 --> 01:31:58,567
give it a bit extra for the camera.

2661
01:31:58,726 --> 01:31:59,226
But

2662
01:31:59,696 --> 01:32:01,125
there's very few people the top end of

2663
01:32:01,125 --> 01:32:02,553
the sport. So it's quite easy and lucky

2664
01:32:02,553 --> 01:32:03,743
for us that we are shooting that the...

2665
01:32:03,903 --> 01:32:05,728
We quite privileged to work with the best

2666
01:32:05,728 --> 01:32:06,125
athletes.

2667
01:32:07,251 --> 01:32:09,632
Because it makes our job as choosing the

2668
01:32:09,632 --> 01:32:11,616
the photos are all better for it. Yeah.

2669
01:32:12,728 --> 01:32:13,363
But, you know,

2670
01:32:14,649 --> 01:32:16,170
you know, obviously, you always want photos of

2671
01:32:16,170 --> 01:32:18,270
people that are doing well and and,

2672
01:32:18,890 --> 01:32:21,210
you know, and, like, Noise looks like he's

2673
01:32:21,210 --> 01:32:23,425
putting a hundred and 10 percent effort in

2674
01:32:23,623 --> 01:32:25,697
like, in a very different way where he's

2675
01:32:25,697 --> 01:32:27,713
just low the front of his bike, but

2676
01:32:28,091 --> 01:32:30,802
then also just seeing what each rider goes

2677
01:32:30,802 --> 01:32:32,477
into. When you think they've done as much

2678
01:32:32,477 --> 01:32:33,195
as they can do,

2679
01:32:34,087 --> 01:32:36,079
did having care go to an extra weekend

2680
01:32:36,079 --> 01:32:36,797
and s.

2681
01:32:37,514 --> 01:32:39,984
And if you never heard his thumb... Like,

2682
01:32:40,144 --> 01:32:40,803
he would've

2683
01:32:41,832 --> 01:32:43,347
I thought he would have won hands down

2684
01:32:43,347 --> 01:32:44,304
and lea again, like...

2685
01:32:45,102 --> 01:32:46,936
So, you know, you always wanted him to

2686
01:32:46,936 --> 01:32:48,951
have his day to get get his just

2687
01:32:49,089 --> 01:32:49,647
and and

2688
01:32:51,094 --> 01:32:51,832
Yeah. And

2689
01:32:53,234 --> 01:32:54,345
yeah. And and then, like I said,

2690
01:32:56,485 --> 01:32:59,920
yeah. III definitely can't name names because they

2691
01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:02,074
are all... They'll up there, and that's why

2692
01:33:02,074 --> 01:33:03,510
if you see on on the sort of

2693
01:33:03,510 --> 01:33:05,426
the miss some stuff and in the books,

2694
01:33:06,235 --> 01:33:07,609
Yeah. Obviously, the

2695
01:33:07,983 --> 01:33:09,254
a lot of people are appearing more than

2696
01:33:09,254 --> 01:33:11,081
once because they are, you know, at the

2697
01:33:11,081 --> 01:33:12,511
the top 5 of the sports so they're

2698
01:33:12,511 --> 01:33:14,993
gonna feature every weekend, but there's quite a

2699
01:33:14,993 --> 01:33:16,671
spread of writers in both the men's and

2700
01:33:16,671 --> 01:33:17,710
the women's, you know, like,

2701
01:33:19,546 --> 01:33:20,926
yeah. It's it's

2702
01:33:21,876 --> 01:33:22,376
everyone's

2703
01:33:22,751 --> 01:33:25,238
everyone's good at this level. Fiftieth place. You're

2704
01:33:25,613 --> 01:33:27,840
you're still 1 of the best 50 mountain

2705
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:29,510
biker in the world and you're only, like,

2706
01:33:29,828 --> 01:33:31,154
a few seconds of

2707
01:33:31,513 --> 01:33:33,745
being on the podium. Yeah. It's insane that.

2708
01:33:33,905 --> 01:33:36,376
Yeah Yeah. It's it's pretty nuts. Yeah. How

2709
01:33:36,376 --> 01:33:38,130
have you found it shooting Dakota this year

2710
01:33:38,130 --> 01:33:39,699
on that high bar because that's the 1

2711
01:33:39,899 --> 01:33:41,726
person new style looks so different this year.

2712
01:33:41,965 --> 01:33:43,872
It's pretty cool because sometimes, like, when he

2713
01:33:43,872 --> 01:33:46,654
does... And and Dakota actually is... Thank you,

2714
01:33:46,971 --> 01:33:48,186
Dakota. He does

2715
01:33:48,972 --> 01:33:51,830
definitely pay attention where we are because there's

2716
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:53,045
sometimes where he's

2717
01:33:53,418 --> 01:33:55,720
super doing a super like scrub turned down

2718
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:56,489
and and he's

2719
01:33:57,006 --> 01:33:58,911
definitely doing it for us. It's not helping

2720
01:33:58,911 --> 01:34:01,769
him and go any faster. But like, it's

2721
01:34:01,769 --> 01:34:03,278
worth. Like, I've I've got a cut a

2722
01:34:03,278 --> 01:34:05,183
few shots to see where the bar is

2723
01:34:05,183 --> 01:34:06,952
actually like like a picture frame around his

2724
01:34:06,952 --> 01:34:08,468
head. Yeah. Yeah Like when he does his

2725
01:34:08,468 --> 01:34:10,325
target's it's like, oh, it's just the perfect

2726
01:34:10,385 --> 01:34:13,178
framing on his bar like it's weird to

2727
01:34:13,178 --> 01:34:14,615
definitely look weird.

2728
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:17,667
At first, and now it doesn't. No. I

2729
01:34:17,667 --> 01:34:18,946
think it would look weird it was the

2730
01:34:18,946 --> 01:34:19,744
other way around. Like,

2731
01:34:20,944 --> 01:34:22,942
like, but then, like, how caused the sport

2732
01:34:22,942 --> 01:34:24,640
that you have to dakota right up there

2733
01:34:24,794 --> 01:34:26,789
And then you have fin that's that's always

2734
01:34:26,789 --> 01:34:29,684
like bent over. His back is nearly parallel

2735
01:34:29,743 --> 01:34:31,898
ground at all times of his riding, but

2736
01:34:31,898 --> 01:34:33,828
how both techniques could win race. You know,

2737
01:34:33,988 --> 01:34:34,945
I'll get you on the podium.

2738
01:34:37,259 --> 01:34:37,759
It's

2739
01:34:38,216 --> 01:34:38,454
this...

2740
01:34:39,332 --> 01:34:42,602
And such different riding styles on, yeah, similar

2741
01:34:42,602 --> 01:34:45,957
bikes but differences mentioned electronic non electronic. Yet

2742
01:34:45,957 --> 01:34:47,942
you all end up arriving at the finish

2743
01:34:47,942 --> 01:34:50,665
line within the same millisecond and and on

2744
01:34:51,928 --> 01:34:54,024
different tires and it's it's

2745
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:56,953
it's quite bizarre really. Yeah. And whether it's

2746
01:34:56,953 --> 01:34:58,867
a short track or long track of weather

2747
01:34:58,867 --> 01:35:01,021
track, you know, unless it's O Val soul,

2748
01:35:01,180 --> 01:35:01,555
but

2749
01:35:02,074 --> 01:35:03,914
how they do manage to be that close,

2750
01:35:04,555 --> 01:35:07,675
like, it's it's... Yeah. It's quite interesting. And

2751
01:35:07,675 --> 01:35:09,614
and that that that perfect run

2752
01:35:10,087 --> 01:35:12,154
sort of stat where you... Who's winning each

2753
01:35:12,154 --> 01:35:14,381
sectors is is a quite interesting thing to

2754
01:35:14,381 --> 01:35:15,494
always look at and Yeah.

2755
01:35:16,529 --> 01:35:18,015
I think was it just

2756
01:35:18,372 --> 01:35:20,360
only once or twice is it the 1

2757
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:22,587
rider that gets the perfect? Rare, especially in

2758
01:35:22,587 --> 01:35:25,132
the elite. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nice, man. Well,

2759
01:35:25,212 --> 01:35:26,166
that's a good place for us to wrap

2760
01:35:26,166 --> 01:35:27,619
up. But if people wanna

2761
01:35:28,089 --> 01:35:30,180
have eyes on your work, where are the

2762
01:35:30,237 --> 01:35:31,270
places for them to be looking.

2763
01:35:32,702 --> 01:35:34,532
I wish I could... I, I mean, obviously,

2764
01:35:34,690 --> 01:35:36,361
I put stuff on my Instagram, but I

2765
01:35:36,361 --> 01:35:38,393
put increasingly less as

2766
01:35:39,891 --> 01:35:41,409
at the events, I have the least time,

2767
01:35:41,649 --> 01:35:43,487
I'm getting all the photos were should and

2768
01:35:43,487 --> 01:35:45,085
could be posting content, but I have the

2769
01:35:45,085 --> 01:35:47,274
least time to post content and

2770
01:35:47,731 --> 01:35:49,167
it's not as simple as just throwing up

2771
01:35:49,167 --> 01:35:51,798
10 quick shots. It's like everyone's doing carousel

2772
01:35:51,798 --> 01:35:54,190
ourselves and everything on sliders and everything.

2773
01:35:54,684 --> 01:35:56,919
So luckily, Miss spend some are doing some

2774
01:35:56,919 --> 01:35:58,835
of my photos each each day at event.

2775
01:35:59,872 --> 01:36:01,229
Obviously, miss spin summers. They do a lot

2776
01:36:01,229 --> 01:36:02,426
of other this stuff and gonna spend summers.

2777
01:36:02,586 --> 01:36:06,250
They they do a newsletter, which sounds old

2778
01:36:06,250 --> 01:36:08,153
school, but that's running good way. We do

2779
01:36:08,153 --> 01:36:10,451
things aspen some. We get a lot more

2780
01:36:10,451 --> 01:36:12,539
facts some tidbits behind the scenes and a

2781
01:36:12,539 --> 01:36:14,055
lot more photos and video content.

2782
01:36:14,694 --> 01:36:17,247
And also, like, that interviews thing, yeah, I

2783
01:36:17,247 --> 01:36:18,340
do I do the

2784
01:36:18,855 --> 01:36:21,793
the moments or the shoot time frame. What's

2785
01:36:21,793 --> 01:36:23,461
your time frames? I don't even know what

2786
01:36:23,461 --> 01:36:26,161
my is called. The views. Views shit.

2787
01:36:27,372 --> 01:36:28,806
But then we actually do a Youtuber with

2788
01:36:28,806 --> 01:36:31,279
that, like, the Thursday Tuesday, Wednesday art the

2789
01:36:31,279 --> 01:36:32,736
long views. That

2790
01:36:33,193 --> 01:36:35,107
includes all the riders that have interviewed not

2791
01:36:35,107 --> 01:36:36,960
just the 2 winners whatever, which you get

2792
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:40,000
some surprisingly, like cool content, like, like this

2793
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:40,500
girl

2794
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:41,619
winnie he Gold.

2795
01:36:42,319 --> 01:36:44,560
Right? So you won't know this happened at

2796
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:46,171
the last 2 she came out from New

2797
01:36:46,250 --> 01:36:46,489
Zealand.

2798
01:36:47,126 --> 01:36:49,035
She didn't do the first ones. She's junior,

2799
01:36:49,274 --> 01:36:51,740
junior girl. First year overseas. First year overseas

2800
01:36:51,740 --> 01:36:53,730
that parents. I arrived with her parents,

2801
01:36:55,018 --> 01:36:56,710
in in New Zealand. And they

2802
01:36:57,242 --> 01:36:58,831
the main state of the New Zealand scene.

2803
01:36:58,989 --> 01:36:59,626
They, like,

2804
01:37:00,341 --> 01:37:02,485
they do back country rides, technical wet routes.

2805
01:37:02,644 --> 01:37:04,409
They've, like, stay away from the bike parks,

2806
01:37:04,569 --> 01:37:06,957
and this is how this girl woody was

2807
01:37:06,957 --> 01:37:09,266
brought up. Anyway, she comes out here. 1...

2808
01:37:09,506 --> 01:37:11,019
The first 2 races she's ever done the

2809
01:37:11,019 --> 01:37:11,949
2 world cups

2810
01:37:12,630 --> 01:37:14,630
she would have been, like quite good times

2811
01:37:14,630 --> 01:37:15,350
in the elite woman.

2812
01:37:16,310 --> 01:37:17,350
But in both runs,

2813
01:37:18,310 --> 01:37:18,810
she's

2814
01:37:19,283 --> 01:37:21,118
at first stage of both races that she's

2815
01:37:21,118 --> 01:37:22,574
won the day. She's stopped

2816
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:23,850
because

2817
01:37:24,227 --> 01:37:26,618
1 marshall stopped her because I was write

2818
01:37:26,618 --> 01:37:27,416
down in front of her.

2819
01:37:28,386 --> 01:37:30,931
And was red flagged and was told to

2820
01:37:30,931 --> 01:37:33,795
carefully proceed around the rider or get a

2821
01:37:33,795 --> 01:37:35,306
rerun, and it was the first ever insurer

2822
01:37:35,306 --> 01:37:36,833
in the first date of a first 7

2823
01:37:36,833 --> 01:37:37,949
endure woke cup, and she didn't know what

2824
01:37:37,949 --> 01:37:40,180
to do. She said, I'll, carry on. I'll

2825
01:37:40,180 --> 01:37:41,536
just crack on. And then a chain came

2826
01:37:41,536 --> 01:37:43,130
off 3 times because she's a first year

2827
01:37:43,130 --> 01:37:44,268
junior and she doesn't

2828
01:37:44,819 --> 01:37:46,896
know how about correct bikes set up properly.

2829
01:37:47,376 --> 01:37:49,053
The dad's not there, Richard's is not there

2830
01:37:49,053 --> 01:37:51,131
to make sure her bike stalled. Actually, his

2831
01:37:51,131 --> 01:37:53,141
here... Knows. Sorry. Her dad on your rides

2832
01:37:53,141 --> 01:37:54,896
of Gear box box is that. She has

2833
01:37:54,896 --> 01:37:56,173
no idea how to keep your paid on.

2834
01:37:56,811 --> 01:37:56,970
Alright.

2835
01:37:58,407 --> 01:38:00,173
So anyway, so she's just had to check

2836
01:38:00,173 --> 01:38:02,000
him with 3 times. She stopped twice to

2837
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:03,826
put on once coast to the finish line

2838
01:38:03,826 --> 01:38:05,096
stopped and thinks she won that race.

2839
01:38:05,891 --> 01:38:08,274
Now this ran cold blue, her next second

2840
01:38:08,274 --> 01:38:08,591
woke up.

2841
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:11,065
First run, her friend who got down 2

2842
01:38:11,065 --> 01:38:12,968
or 3 riders ahead of her, and she

2843
01:38:12,968 --> 01:38:14,713
came across and her friend was lying on

2844
01:38:14,713 --> 01:38:15,981
the floor knocked out.

2845
01:38:17,029 --> 01:38:19,173
Kind of unconscious kind of coming too, so

2846
01:38:19,173 --> 01:38:20,127
she stopped again.

2847
01:38:21,001 --> 01:38:21,875
Obviously, like you would

2848
01:38:22,511 --> 01:38:23,464
Sure if the other girls in front of

2849
01:38:23,464 --> 01:38:25,053
us stopped or if there were girls in

2850
01:38:25,053 --> 01:38:25,212
front,

2851
01:38:26,023 --> 01:38:27,058
I can't recall anyway.

2852
01:38:27,774 --> 01:38:29,686
She called a Marshal. Luckily there was 1

2853
01:38:29,686 --> 01:38:32,235
with Insider within hearing, and the marshal came

2854
01:38:32,235 --> 01:38:34,520
and her friend was coming to

2855
01:38:35,435 --> 01:38:38,140
Za who's my dentist daughter, another kiwi go

2856
01:38:38,140 --> 01:38:40,470
for Nelson. So small world

2857
01:38:40,925 --> 01:38:42,754
anyway. So she's on the floor knocked out

2858
01:38:42,754 --> 01:38:43,604
or coming to

2859
01:38:43,963 --> 01:38:45,637
winnie he's like, okay. You're good The marshall

2860
01:38:45,637 --> 01:38:47,312
are alright? Del get. I'm wanna carry on.

2861
01:38:48,189 --> 01:38:51,060
She carries on. So she has a terrible

2862
01:38:51,060 --> 01:38:52,336
stage 1. I'm not even that bad.

2863
01:38:52,989 --> 01:38:54,350
I'm and then she ends up winning the

2864
01:38:54,350 --> 01:38:56,270
rates coming by the last, you know, 6

2865
01:38:56,270 --> 01:38:58,270
stages later. She's, like, claude enough time back.

2866
01:38:59,310 --> 01:38:59,810
So

2867
01:39:00,601 --> 01:39:02,347
I don't know what the question was, but

2868
01:39:02,347 --> 01:39:03,244
like, there's

2869
01:39:03,855 --> 01:39:05,680
there's AS0

2870
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:07,919
by the interviews. Yeah Well, well, yeah. We

2871
01:39:08,399 --> 01:39:11,035
Fine. That's not to this question. This is

2872
01:39:11,035 --> 01:39:13,693
just a fourth popped to my head. But

2873
01:39:14,471 --> 01:39:15,590
this is what I talk about.

2874
01:39:16,243 --> 01:39:20,622
Stories behind stories and talent and junior talent,

2875
01:39:20,782 --> 01:39:23,091
and junior woman talent. We've... Andrew and I've

2876
01:39:23,091 --> 01:39:24,467
spoken about the junior woman

2877
01:39:25,099 --> 01:39:27,737
more the last sort of race recap and

2878
01:39:27,737 --> 01:39:29,095
we have about the elite men, you know,

2879
01:39:29,255 --> 01:39:31,033
because we know the elite man's good, but

2880
01:39:31,253 --> 01:39:32,771
we're kind of not... I'm not... We're not

2881
01:39:32,771 --> 01:39:34,050
surprised they're due to them so good, but

2882
01:39:34,050 --> 01:39:35,655
we're like, proud and happy and, you know,

2883
01:39:35,814 --> 01:39:36,926
like, the future of it was good for.

2884
01:39:37,243 --> 01:39:37,402
Yeah.

2885
01:39:38,195 --> 01:39:39,703
Basically, we end off from the future and

2886
01:39:39,783 --> 01:39:42,801
End and Daniel and eb bikes too, not

2887
01:39:42,801 --> 01:39:43,356
snow racing.

2888
01:39:43,849 --> 01:39:45,787
Is all rosy and engaged

2889
01:39:46,485 --> 01:39:48,243
because it comes down to the riding and

2890
01:39:48,243 --> 01:39:50,081
the bikes are great and the the trails

2891
01:39:50,081 --> 01:39:51,060
are great and

2892
01:39:51,614 --> 01:39:53,368
the sports at its best point ever. You

2893
01:39:53,368 --> 01:39:55,123
know? Yep. A hundred percent month. So, yeah,

2894
01:39:55,283 --> 01:39:56,718
people should check that stuff out. So we

2895
01:39:56,718 --> 01:39:58,473
spent. So that's some. And then the books,

2896
01:39:58,632 --> 01:40:00,228
the year books, and then are you still

2897
01:40:00,228 --> 01:40:02,395
doing your Ep book No. Okay.

2898
01:40:04,228 --> 01:40:07,835
So there's there's that, and my Instagram and

2899
01:40:08,863 --> 01:40:10,931
Yeah. Sq on tour. Now. You get some

2900
01:40:10,931 --> 01:40:12,761
behind the scenes world cup. Yeah. Content on

2901
01:40:12,761 --> 01:40:14,193
there. There's a a couple of us the

2902
01:40:14,193 --> 01:40:14,671
post on there.

2903
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:17,640
Yeah. Nice. I'll stick links to all that

2904
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:19,320
in the show notes. But yeah, thanks, Matt.

2905
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:21,340
I. Busy you are during a world cup

2906
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:23,560
block. So, yeah, I appreciate you making some

2907
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:24,840
time to sit down for a chat. You

2908
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:26,614
might have to from that babies put that

2909
01:40:26,614 --> 01:40:28,054
baby talk at the end of the podcast

2910
01:40:28,054 --> 01:40:30,054
through the beginning as you might have massive

2911
01:40:30,054 --> 01:40:30,375
drop off.

2912
01:40:31,494 --> 01:40:32,935
Do you have the other the thing that

2913
01:40:32,935 --> 01:40:33,310
that

2914
01:40:33,750 --> 01:40:36,869
that shows where you're your... Do most people

2915
01:40:36,869 --> 01:40:37,989
that get a certain way to listen to

2916
01:40:37,989 --> 01:40:39,350
the whole podcast? How does it work on?

2917
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:41,360
They get most of the way on average

2918
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:43,506
like 70. So you're gonna click watch your

2919
01:40:43,506 --> 01:40:45,730
podcast, you you or listen or watch. You

2920
01:40:45,730 --> 01:40:46,843
you can see the length and you choose

2921
01:40:46,843 --> 01:40:49,006
and... Yeah. Some people now and then I

2922
01:40:49,006 --> 01:40:50,199
played in 1 and a half times, but

2923
01:40:50,359 --> 01:40:51,872
I can't... I actually can't get into that.

2924
01:40:52,270 --> 01:40:53,545
Because I know the people, I don't I

2925
01:40:53,545 --> 01:40:54,580
hear their voice at 1 and a half

2926
01:40:54,580 --> 01:40:56,572
times and like, you get used to a

2927
01:40:56,572 --> 01:40:58,979
while. Now I tried Tried it. And. Like,

2928
01:40:59,060 --> 01:41:00,655
if, I, if I'm on a flight and

2929
01:41:00,655 --> 01:41:02,012
a short flight, I don't know no in

2930
01:41:02,172 --> 01:41:04,087
Did, but if I'm driving as I I'd

2931
01:41:04,087 --> 01:41:06,015
like to hear people's voices. Effort and you

2932
01:41:06,015 --> 01:41:07,528
do a lot driving. Yeah. I'm doing a

2933
01:41:07,528 --> 01:41:09,198
lot of driving Yeah. They're almost like losing

2934
01:41:09,198 --> 01:41:10,791
air on status because we fly a little

2935
01:41:10,791 --> 01:41:12,144
these days. It's just like 2 big flights

2936
01:41:12,144 --> 01:41:13,592
a air and that's it. Better for the

2937
01:41:13,592 --> 01:41:15,503
world. I guess. Better for the world. Yeah.

2938
01:41:15,742 --> 01:41:17,734
As To price and told us taught us

2939
01:41:17,734 --> 01:41:20,123
all. There you go. Nice 1. Cheers. There's

2940
01:41:20,123 --> 01:41:21,238
an answer to 1 of your questions. I

2941
01:41:21,238 --> 01:41:23,476
was sick to see Yeah. She Josh Bryce

2942
01:41:23,476 --> 01:41:25,958
added, Event. Was that actually racing Eb bikes

2943
01:41:26,014 --> 01:41:28,392
this venue last year in Chant tell and

2944
01:41:28,392 --> 01:41:29,527
was just so cool

2945
01:41:30,152 --> 01:41:31,659
to see him, I missed him and hard

2946
01:41:31,659 --> 01:41:32,770
on, unfortunately, I wasn't there.

2947
01:41:33,564 --> 01:41:35,390
But it was, like, you had to seeing

2948
01:41:35,390 --> 01:41:37,788
the people and personalities and and, like, that

2949
01:41:37,788 --> 01:41:39,864
they still out there and and the sport

2950
01:41:39,864 --> 01:41:41,859
has room for everyone. Yeah definitely. It's a

2951
01:41:41,859 --> 01:41:44,174
cool place, man. Yep. Awesome. Thanks man. Thank

2952
01:41:44,174 --> 01:41:44,333
you.

2953
01:41:48,410 --> 01:41:50,001
Alright. That's it for this episode was Fun.

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01:41:50,239 --> 01:41:52,387
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