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Alright. Today, we're joined by Star, Jesse Mill.

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After winning the overall in 20 22, Jesse

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made a big move from Rocky Mountain into

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it's going. Here how Jesse has chosen him

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and set up his bike for the season.

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We discussed some of the changes he's made

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over the past year, and the influence that

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Fabian has had on that too. We talk

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about what it takes to win an Edi

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these days is along with discussing in the

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state of the sport, the impact of E

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bike racing, and we'll find out if we'll

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see jesse racing downhill anytime soon.

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So without further ado, here's Jessie Mill.

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Jesse Mill. Welcome back to the downtime podcast,

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we're just trying to work out. I think

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this might be appearance number 4. Could be.

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Yeah. They can seasoned podcast professional now. I

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guess so thanks for having me. Nice to

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your good person. So, yeah, Looking forward to.

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Yeah. And you've been polishing your podcast technique.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With a few others throughout

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the years as well. Yeah. It's been good.

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Excellent. Well, last time we sat down and

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chat, it was just kinda after you'd announce

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that you joined Canyon. Mh. And you

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turned up for the first couple of races

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of the 20 23 season

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on the spectrum. Mh.

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Which was a decision, I think based around,

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like, maybe derby needing or benefiting for something

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as a bit more to travel.

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But you didn't... As in true, Jesse style

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that wasn't like, a fully stock. Why cause

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it. Tell us a little bit about what

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you've done with that to get it where

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you wanted to be in those this first

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couple of rounds. Yeah. Not too much. I

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think we just overs stroke it, so Got

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a little bit more travel in the rear.

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For me at the time that was just

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like the...

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Yeah. The best fitting bike most suited to

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derby,

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a little to I know that Nadine medina

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was quite the opposite. I was way,

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under bike.

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So at Hindsight, it was...

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Yeah. I proven Derby, It was good with

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the third place, but, maybe, I think I

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was eighteenth in 1 of my worst results

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in a long time. So,

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I just got

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rattled at that race. Yeah. But so was

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that that was sick race. You think it

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was a bike bike decision kinda error that

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1 or

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I also had some some mistakes. I flooded

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somewhat on 1 of the stage and then

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I... This, like, I've smoked a tree so

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hard and, like,

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somehow

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didn't knock myself out, but I lost a

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bunch of time. So I wanna say to

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that race and I think I would have

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been

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I actually... I don't know. But I I

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would have had the tons for like a

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top 5. So I would have been there.

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Yeah. The bike just made it a little

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bit more difficult. It was just super long

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stages super rough, and

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that bike really

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was really fast when you're precise with it

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and could, like, direct it and it just...

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It didn't have much room for air. Yeah.

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For. Honestly gonna be rough track. It was.

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You nearly had a big error at 1

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point. Was a video of that. Yeah. You

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say. Yeah. Yeah Yeah. So

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just a little bit overcook overworked

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a little bit. And the winter gym weren't

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paid off though, like, you managed to write

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out. Yeah. That stuff you came and train

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for. You just like your cat reflex take

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over.

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Very impressive. So, yeah, I think it's eighteenth

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or nineteenth that first round like, And that's

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your first chance to prove yourself new bike.

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It's where you kinda see, you know, how's

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everyone's off season training paid off where do

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I stack up and, yep. Nineteenth, obviously, not

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the place you wanna be. How do you

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process that and deal with that, especially when

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you're back to back straight into the next

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race. It sounds like you you've taken some

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positives out of the stage win and and

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done analysis on your pace and stuff. I

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think that's a nice thing with End duo,

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and it would be the same thing with

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like split times and downhill. You get

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1 marker of... Or you get multiple markers

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of, like, where you stand. So I knew

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with the stage win. I knew like that

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bike felt so good. And I was, okay.

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I I'm there. I have the speed. I

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just have to, like,

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not be a g for a weekend and

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and figure it out. So I was pretty

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happy in in Derby.

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Third place was really good, especially against people

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who had been there previously. So

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I felt really good with that result. And

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then

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backed up even further at with it went

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on the third race So... Yeah. It was

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that your first time in Derby.

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No. I've been there before, but people had

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been there, like, the week before. So you

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mean, yeah. Yeah. But pre. Just the age

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old debate around that side of things. Yeah.

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But, yeah, that also look like an incredible

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event like the buzz in those first 2

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rounds that which made. Tasmania is amazing. Like,

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Ever since we've gone to Derby the first

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year. The Craftsman been amazing,

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the trail building is

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like, world class. It's insane what they've done

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with place. Like, me... Derby,

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that train is... You look at this halo

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I not expect that much in there, and

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then you go riding there and it's mind

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blowing. Like, it's actually so good. They've done

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such a good job and they Made medina,

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way big a hill and same thing. They've

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just done an insane job with the trails

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there. Definitely on the list of places to

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visit thing after watching watching.

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Yeah.

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I would say it's worth it. My actually,

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my brother and his girlfriend did a full

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on

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tripped out New Zealand and Australia and Tasmania

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in the winter, and they went to Derby

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and they loved it. Yeah. Damn. Definitely get

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there 1 day. Did you change anything coming

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into that second round then to get that

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third? Was it a different approached like a

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bit more measured? Or... No. I've seen, Jesse.

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It seems like my

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I don't I wouldn't... I don't know. Like,

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it's happening this year too. It's like, everything

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is there. I just need to

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somehow align myself with

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putting it together. Like, I know I have

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all the pieces and so that was the

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same thing I was like, okay. It's really

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just trusting yourself and, like, you have an

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off and you're, like,

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either you're off, either you're off it, but

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I I didn't feel like that, so it

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was just like, okay. Trust the process, Go

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through the same thing, and I didn't change

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a thing and and had the third. So

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that's what all the work does. It allows

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you to trust that you are fit. You've

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done everything you can on the bike.

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You've worked with the team around you and

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you just know that you have everything and

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you

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trust the process, do the same thing and

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know that it'll work out. Yeah. But that's

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hard, right. If the results aren't there. I

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get I guess you've always been notifying Yeah.

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Glimmer like you said there's more data from

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an enjoy that can give you that confidence

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that... Yeah. I think that I've been doing

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it for long enough that I know the

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difference between

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being on pace, but missing out rather than

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just being off pace and not knowing why.

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K. So I think I have a better

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understanding of that.

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And I'm sure we'll get into it for

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this year, but I I'm struggling more with

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that this year? And I having in a

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while. Definitely talk about that. Is there a

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risk with, like,

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force creating false confidence for yourself because you

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wanna go into this with a positive mindset.

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Sir, you're looking at the data try and

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find reasons to believe the process.

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Is there a risk that you can

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kit almost kid yourself into believing it when

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you do need to change something. Does that

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make sense? Yeah. Yeah. No. A hundred percent,

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and I think

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it's really hard to figure that out and

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you you see that if you look at...

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Like, if you deep app on anyone's Instagram

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that, like, isn't really performing that I want

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to. Like, you can see the

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the little markers, and it's really hard to

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know because you're, like, you know you can

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do it. And so it's just doing the

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same thing, but what... Like, what's the definition

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of crazy or something like been the same

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thing over and over getting spending different results.

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So it's really how to know

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yeah at what point you have to make

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a a big change and

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I think, like, yeah. Like I said, with,

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you you know based on stage results. Like,

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you rather have some good ones and you're

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like, okay, like it's. I just seem to,

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like, channel that more often.

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So

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it's definitely... That's like, that's probably the hardest.

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The hardest thing is

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to first, like, find your way to go

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fast and then

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to continue to do that and just trust,

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like, when things are going off track

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to trust your instinct of, like, Do you

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just

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trust the way you've been doing things or

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does it require a change? Yeah. Do you...

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When you're doing the, like, the deep dive

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after an event or after a season looking

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at those results and trying to find those

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indicators of where you're at. Is that done

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on your own? Or do you have other

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people that you trust that you can sit

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down and go through that with to give

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that Guess that bigger perspective because your,

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has an athlete naturally very kind of tunnel

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vision I guess on what you. I'm super

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grateful for the people that have around me,

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and

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there's a few in, like, different areas, you

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know,

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Tara

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is more than just, you know, she's our

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team busier and and the road manager and

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but she's also, like, somewhat my performance coach

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in the way. Like, she has learned so

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much to all the different jobs that she's

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had and she keeps me on track with

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all, like, the high performance things that I

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can be doing. And then my brother is

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huge in

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analyzing what I'm doing and how I look

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and is really just...

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He's a really good positive reinforcement,

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and

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he's, yeah. Good at being

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both biased down bias because I'm his brother,

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but,

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yeah. Even like, this this past weekend, he

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was, like, really positive. I was like, no.

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You looked, like, really good and it's there.

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Just kinda gotta figure it out. So I

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really trust him. I always, like, send him

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footage and I just always ask, like, how

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do I look? And then I have my

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parents as well. So... And then and then

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my friends as well. So it's I have

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quite a few people. Yeah. What about Fabian?

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Like, how does he fit into the picture?

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Because obviously, he's... It feels like his main

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focus is maybe more on the downhill side,

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but, obviously, super invested in. Well, he was

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a huge help in, like, last year. Yeah.

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He

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invested a ton inter into our team

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all through the winter last year to get

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me up to speed, and we could see

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that in in taking wins last year, and

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I I wouldn't have been able to do

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that without with him. He, like, he is

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an insane amount of knowledge, and he's just

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he's so get he's ruthless in, like, he's

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ruthless in the changes that he'll make. You'll

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say something and you'll be scared to go

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like, 1 click this way and he'll be

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like, why. Go 5.

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And then he just like, do it and

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like, oh, shit. That was actually really good.

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So... Yeah. This year, he's definitely more focused

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on Downhill, but he's,

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I called him yesterday. I'm always able to

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just call him I mean, he's he's it's

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it's

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impressive at how

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in tune he is with everything.

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And

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I got a lot out of just speaking

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with him and he's very good. He's just

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reassuring me, and,

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we did 1 day with him after

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Who was that after poland before Leah getting

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last block. And, yeah, both me and Jack

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like made had huge changes to our bikes

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because of him and both felt like way

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better. So... Yeah. Yeah. He's a pretty

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pretty valuable person to have on your side

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A bit of experiences near that guy. Have

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you if you changed anything about your... Either

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you're like race craft or your kind of

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setup approach as a result of working with

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Fabian. Is this stuff you've learned that you

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now do differently? Yeah. There's a few

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key, like, body position things that he's he's

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changed with me and and bike set up

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as well.

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In terms of raised craft, I think he

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knows that I have that.

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When I came in, I think they were

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very aware that I just won the championship.

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So

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they didn't wanna change too much break. Yeah.

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And even now he's still just like, he's

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like, I know you're gonna fight for and

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I trust you have no, like, lack of

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motivation, so it's just trying to figure out

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where is, like, the slight happening. So... Yeah.

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Yeah. Little things here in there. Tell us

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about the body position stuff then what have

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you tweaked? If I get my secrets away.

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But what can you tell us what you

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willing to share, Jesse? No. It's just like,

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a big thing was

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kinda pressure on the pedals and the handlebars

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and really balancing that out. Okay. Balance that

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out well. And I feel like that's something

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that I've always

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naturally gotten well because I I've always tried

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to find a bike setup that is obviously

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fast, but mainly

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comfortable and

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saving. You know, I want it to be,

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like, you're... We're we're going so deep in

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these stages that you can't think you can't

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breathe then you're just, like, coming to a

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corner out of control and you need your

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bike to just be there for you. And

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so as along the same lines of how

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do we do that? But now we're trying

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to, like, kind of stiffer my suspension up

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because I've I've always done a very, like,

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soft, comfortable setup, so I can do whatever

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I want. But to try to increase peak

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speed. We're going a little bit stiffer so

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I can go over the bumps over the

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months faster. So Yeah just managing that with

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the bar bar roll,

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and then, yeah. Suspension balance?

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Interesting. So a combination of all that stuff

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so that you're more comfortable with a stiffer.

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Mh. Stiffer ride. Yeah. Yeah. Has that been

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hard because I, like,

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I don't know about you, but, like, I've,

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I guess, I've always ridden the same sort

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of weight so long.

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But to reprogram something like that is quite.

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Yeah hard to do. But that's the thing

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is, you know,

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when I made the move originally, it was

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what was gonna give me a better chance

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to continue to win, and this is what

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I thought. And I think that at 1

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point, I had to set up that 1,

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but there's no

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reason to suggest I would have kept winning.

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Yeah. You look at Richie now. He's he's

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gone even further. You have to continuously

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improve and progress. And so I think this

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is the way, and I've this past week

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weekend and I felt, like, really good on

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my bike. And so I think...

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Yeah. If that's, like the risk you take

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of

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trying to progress isn't always going to, like,

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work out the way you want it to,

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but you have to, like, try and see

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if it works and if it doesn't then

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you then you go back to what you

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had and you go different directions. So it's

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a constant, like, game of

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what does what look like? Yeah. And it

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can take time. Right? Some I don't know

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about you again, but sometimes I find if

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I wanna change something.

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I can't do it at, like, full pace.

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Mh. Because my brain, you're in, like, a

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flow state then and you're not really conscious

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of what you're doing, you just running off

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instinct. I feel like I have to slow

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it down,

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reprogram

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a position or a movement or an approach.

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Yeah. And then speed it back up. Like,

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have you felt like you've had to do

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that? Or do you feel like you can

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make changes

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at race pace?

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Depends what kind of change we're making.

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I'm pretty good at

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when the clock starts, like, everything goes out

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the window and I can just ride my

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bike as as fast as I can and

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I'll know whether that works or not because

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I'll

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I'll just be making more mistakes basically than

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than not. Yeah. So I I think I

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can do that, But, yeah. Totally. I mean,

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to your point,

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in Leo gang, anna not Leo Gang. Poland

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was a big struggle for us because we're

486
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a bike stolen and oh, yeah. I think

487
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it was underestimated how

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hard it is to

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get a brand new bike, brand new everything

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and set that up because I just felt

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like I was chasing this feeling that

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I had on my previous bike, and,

493
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yeah, that was where I felt like I

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couldn't change anything

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without it affecting something else because nothing was

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set, you know, like, our roll grip roll,

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like, the 1 in grips, the the break,

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Like, everything, like, you can measure this stuff,

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but

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it's really hard to get it exactly the

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same, and it was just in my head

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and I just really struggled to, like, make

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that by comfortable. So I couldn't change this

504
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suspension because

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I changed suspension, it would make something else

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feel bad and I was changing bars and

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it was just a a mess. So that

508
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1 was a tough 1, and I think

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that's

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that continued on that whole block. And then

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now I'm finally at a point where I,

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like, settled in my bike, and I'm like,

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okay. I can start changing things because

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I know everything else is is to the

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point where I want it to be. Yeah.

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And I guess even down to the frame.

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Right? Like every manufacturer has a tolerance on

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stuff. Totally. So, like, an angle could be

519
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ever so slightly different. Maybe not so much

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in carbon, but definitely in a male frame.

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But and also carbon lay. So I don't

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know how much

523
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Of those are still done by hand. Like

524
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I know some of it's quite sort of

525
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labor intensive process and Yeah. A bit of

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even it's slightly a different material, You know,

527
00:17:32,875 --> 00:17:34,938
the materials come off a different role knows.

528
00:17:35,176 --> 00:17:37,081
Yeah. Yeah. Can feel different as stiffness could

529
00:17:37,081 --> 00:17:38,272
be different. Yep. Polar.

530
00:17:38,843 --> 00:17:40,992
What, yeah. What a mission to do. Yeah.

531
00:17:41,231 --> 00:17:43,063
No. I I don't I don't like changing

532
00:17:43,063 --> 00:17:44,973
by history be honest. And what about grips?

533
00:17:45,132 --> 00:17:47,537
Like, when they've worn out, like, a either

534
00:17:47,537 --> 00:17:48,654
sort of person to run them to the

535
00:17:48,654 --> 00:17:50,249
death because you become become 1 with them

536
00:17:50,249 --> 00:17:52,961
or... Yeah. I'm trying not to be. I'm

537
00:17:52,961 --> 00:17:54,636
trying to, like, I'm I've been doing a

538
00:17:54,636 --> 00:17:56,731
lot of, like, cutting to my grips to

539
00:17:57,044 --> 00:17:58,880
get them pre 1. Okay. So I can

540
00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,476
get a new bet, like, new set of

541
00:18:00,476 --> 00:18:02,232
grips out and put them on because, like,

542
00:18:02,711 --> 00:18:04,147
don't crash and you know, rip your grips,

543
00:18:04,307 --> 00:18:05,185
and then you need to put in new

544
00:18:05,185 --> 00:18:07,193
set on so. Yeah. Yeah. I have... I

545
00:18:07,193 --> 00:18:08,868
think I've figured out a way to get

546
00:18:08,868 --> 00:18:09,984
a brand new set of grips and put

547
00:18:09,984 --> 00:18:11,180
them on and they feel pretty good. Yeah.

548
00:18:11,339 --> 00:18:13,253
So you're trying to make your, like, approach

549
00:18:13,253 --> 00:18:14,939
more robust I guess. If you know you

550
00:18:14,939 --> 00:18:16,210
can pick something off the shelf from Get

551
00:18:16,210 --> 00:18:18,116
it where you want. Yeah... Yeah. What about

552
00:18:18,116 --> 00:18:19,466
things like bar rolling and stuff because they

553
00:18:19,466 --> 00:18:20,975
you say it's so subtle

554
00:18:21,928 --> 00:18:24,088
Is perfect. I don't mean like, at I

555
00:18:24,088 --> 00:18:24,985
don't know who

556
00:18:25,916 --> 00:18:27,664
told me, but it's like the laser etching

557
00:18:27,664 --> 00:18:30,446
on the bars. Like, the the cost to

558
00:18:30,446 --> 00:18:31,264
get that

559
00:18:31,812 --> 00:18:33,244
that as precise as you want it to

560
00:18:33,244 --> 00:18:35,153
is too high. No manufacturer actually, like, does

561
00:18:35,153 --> 00:18:37,142
it. So... And I've seen it on the

562
00:18:37,142 --> 00:18:39,701
bars that we've had, like, 1 at 1

563
00:18:39,701 --> 00:18:41,130
tick, it'll be at 1 way, and then

564
00:18:41,130 --> 00:18:43,433
we put it to another tick or another

565
00:18:43,433 --> 00:18:44,545
bar at the same tick, and it was

566
00:18:44,545 --> 00:18:45,816
just totally off and Also so now, I

567
00:18:45,816 --> 00:18:47,404
just like, don't trust it. And... Yeah. Yeah.

568
00:18:47,801 --> 00:18:50,049
That's like, the the fact that your hands

569
00:18:50,049 --> 00:18:52,840
when you change by role is pretty major.

570
00:18:53,159 --> 00:18:55,313
Yeah. So... And the way you feel fatigued.

571
00:18:55,472 --> 00:18:57,067
Right? The way the bar moves under your

572
00:18:57,067 --> 00:18:59,238
hands, like, yeah, the flag the impact flex

573
00:18:59,238 --> 00:19:00,437
everything's totally different. Yeah.

574
00:19:01,476 --> 00:19:03,553
Yeah. But we're good now. The... The doesn't

575
00:19:03,553 --> 00:19:05,471
get steep. So, yeah, 20 23, then we

576
00:19:05,471 --> 00:19:06,923
did the first couple of races on the

577
00:19:06,923 --> 00:19:08,434
on the spectral. When did you move across

578
00:19:08,434 --> 00:19:09,786
to the drive? Was there like, a planned

579
00:19:09,786 --> 00:19:10,980
point at which you're gonna switch?

580
00:19:12,332 --> 00:19:14,002
Yep. The whole point the whole plan was

581
00:19:14,002 --> 00:19:16,087
to do Tasmania on the special because I

582
00:19:16,087 --> 00:19:17,842
thought it was better suited. I didn't know

583
00:19:18,161 --> 00:19:19,677
At the time. But... Yeah I think That

584
00:19:19,677 --> 00:19:22,069
was right call. And then as soon as

585
00:19:22,149 --> 00:19:23,266
I could, I think when I got home,

586
00:19:23,425 --> 00:19:24,781
I was on the drive. Okay. I'm pretty

587
00:19:24,781 --> 00:19:26,950
happy straight away. Yeah. And again, like, was

588
00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:27,690
there much

589
00:19:28,227 --> 00:19:29,823
worked while they will have been worked done,

590
00:19:29,903 --> 00:19:31,977
but did you did you stray far away

591
00:19:31,977 --> 00:19:33,907
from kind of production action with that bike.

592
00:19:34,146 --> 00:19:35,662
Was there anything special about what you did.

593
00:19:35,821 --> 00:19:37,257
And I've got on that bike, and I

594
00:19:37,257 --> 00:19:38,873
was, like, super happy

595
00:19:39,330 --> 00:19:41,085
straight away. I think I got it. Did

596
00:19:41,085 --> 00:19:42,361
a did the sq duo.

597
00:19:43,731 --> 00:19:45,643
Unfortunately on a mechanical. I'm, like, another thing,

598
00:19:45,803 --> 00:19:46,303
but

599
00:19:46,759 --> 00:19:48,034
I won a bunch of the stages, and

600
00:19:48,113 --> 00:19:49,388
I just felt like, so at home on

601
00:19:49,388 --> 00:19:50,920
that bike and so that was that was

602
00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,359
really cool. And that's the same feeling I

603
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,059
had when I wrote it

604
00:19:54,599 --> 00:19:56,359
end of 20 22 when I tested it.

605
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:57,480
And

606
00:19:58,039 --> 00:19:59,972
yeah. No. I was pretty happy. And then

607
00:19:59,972 --> 00:20:00,712
the changes

608
00:20:01,329 --> 00:20:03,164
throughout that season, we're just, we got that

609
00:20:03,164 --> 00:20:04,701
new vivid when it came out

610
00:20:05,398 --> 00:20:06,595
new Fork when it came out.

611
00:20:07,249 --> 00:20:08,607
And and that kind of stuff. But Yeah.

612
00:20:08,927 --> 00:20:09,507
Kind of

613
00:20:10,525 --> 00:20:12,362
always been kind of progressing and improving it.

614
00:20:12,522 --> 00:20:14,851
Yeah. What frame size do you well? Smallest

615
00:20:14,851 --> 00:20:16,623
possible list it and you've got

616
00:20:17,395 --> 00:20:18,588
readjust. Yeah. If you got that. That's it's

617
00:20:18,588 --> 00:20:20,019
like, 10 mills total, I think. So that's

618
00:20:20,019 --> 00:20:22,087
in the shortest obviously. Yeah. Okay. Fair. Because

619
00:20:22,087 --> 00:20:24,329
they are they a long frame. Yeah. Yeah.

620
00:20:24,489 --> 00:20:26,087
Mh. Did you play around? Did you try

621
00:20:26,087 --> 00:20:27,446
a medium or your... Have you just got

622
00:20:27,446 --> 00:20:28,106
a small

623
00:20:28,725 --> 00:20:30,663
small is similar to the

624
00:20:31,282 --> 00:20:33,680
Rocky medium that I on? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

625
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,450
And so come through from the get go

626
00:20:35,450 --> 00:20:37,523
on that. What about the shape shift? So

627
00:20:37,523 --> 00:20:40,234
they've got this functionality to kind of adjust

628
00:20:40,234 --> 00:20:41,989
the angles of the bike a bit when

629
00:20:41,989 --> 00:20:44,314
you're climbing and Yep. Change quite a few

630
00:20:44,314 --> 00:20:46,621
different things. Do you run that in race

631
00:20:46,621 --> 00:20:48,291
scenario? It's obviously it's adding a bit of

632
00:20:48,291 --> 00:20:49,030
weight and

633
00:20:49,484 --> 00:20:51,412
something else that could break them. Not. I

634
00:20:51,571 --> 00:20:54,046
I think it's a really good tool for

635
00:20:54,046 --> 00:20:56,200
making an bike less like an bike when

636
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,477
you're climbing. Yeah. So I use it at

637
00:20:57,477 --> 00:20:58,730
every transfer stage because it

638
00:20:59,646 --> 00:21:00,920
I should know the numbers on this, but

639
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,230
it's at least a degree steeper,

640
00:21:03,788 --> 00:21:05,301
hundred and 40 miles of rear travel more

641
00:21:05,301 --> 00:21:07,054
annie squat, so it just really props you

642
00:21:07,054 --> 00:21:08,979
up. Yeah. And it just puts you in

643
00:21:08,979 --> 00:21:11,546
such a better position. So when we're doing

644
00:21:12,079 --> 00:21:13,907
what we did 16, 7 centimeters meters of

645
00:21:13,907 --> 00:21:15,679
climbing last weekend and

646
00:21:16,069 --> 00:21:16,569
for

647
00:21:17,106 --> 00:21:18,144
that amount of climbing,

648
00:21:19,102 --> 00:21:19,602
having

649
00:21:19,980 --> 00:21:21,735
yourself in, like, a more trail position is

650
00:21:21,735 --> 00:21:23,512
just is super nice. And then

651
00:21:24,464 --> 00:21:25,602
for a lot of

652
00:21:26,618 --> 00:21:27,656
sprints that we have, like if it's a

653
00:21:27,656 --> 00:21:29,332
long fire road or Steep climb, I'll I'll

654
00:21:29,332 --> 00:21:30,529
switch it as well just because again, it

655
00:21:30,529 --> 00:21:32,205
puts you in a more aggressive position. Yes.

656
00:21:32,697 --> 00:21:34,605
Stage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was impressed with

657
00:21:34,605 --> 00:21:36,275
how well that bike climbs full stocks to

658
00:21:36,275 --> 00:21:38,341
be honest, Even without shift shift engaging. The

659
00:21:38,341 --> 00:21:40,224
thing is you don't actually need... It's not

660
00:21:40,502 --> 00:21:41,875
making the suspension...

661
00:21:42,248 --> 00:21:43,620
It is me even suspension platform

662
00:21:44,231 --> 00:21:46,135
more efficient, but Yes. It's really just for

663
00:21:46,135 --> 00:21:47,722
the geo change. I feel like, Okay. Do

664
00:21:47,722 --> 00:21:48,650
you think it saves

665
00:21:49,167 --> 00:21:50,917
energy from a per perspective which is just

666
00:21:50,917 --> 00:21:52,508
more comfortable. I think it has to. Because

667
00:21:52,667 --> 00:21:53,781
I think it's like, you know, on a

668
00:21:53,781 --> 00:21:55,293
note, in Bike you're kind of just, like,

669
00:21:55,532 --> 00:21:58,093
sag back and it just Yeah. Just this

670
00:21:58,093 --> 00:21:59,287
feeling. And so as soon as I put

671
00:21:59,287 --> 00:22:00,799
that up, I just feel way more upright,

672
00:22:01,276 --> 00:22:03,028
and I feel more... Like, if you ride

673
00:22:03,107 --> 00:22:04,778
Next you, like, it just kinda begs you

674
00:22:04,778 --> 00:22:05,972
to push harder because you're in such a,

675
00:22:06,052 --> 00:22:08,220
like, a aggressive position. So I feel like

676
00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:09,740
that on this drive. Yeah. Shape shift on.

677
00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:11,340
And Pietro was that the first round then

678
00:22:11,340 --> 00:22:11,900
on the strike.

679
00:22:12,460 --> 00:22:14,460
Yeah. And straight on the top step. Yeah.

680
00:22:14,619 --> 00:22:16,140
That was a good feeling. Yeah. That's the

681
00:22:16,140 --> 00:22:17,987
felt good. Did you did you kinda know

682
00:22:17,987 --> 00:22:19,657
you're on for? Did you feel like you're

683
00:22:19,657 --> 00:22:20,930
in the zone that time? No, but it's

684
00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:22,623
just like that. It's just that

685
00:22:25,086 --> 00:22:27,421
what would you call like the this the

686
00:22:27,719 --> 00:22:30,671
the storm of the perfect storm of getting

687
00:22:30,671 --> 00:22:32,759
a new bike feeling good on it. Feeling

688
00:22:32,759 --> 00:22:33,396
like it's better.

689
00:22:34,272 --> 00:22:36,742
Progressing, progressing progressing, just go to the world

690
00:22:36,742 --> 00:22:39,150
cup, ride it, feel good. Win the race.

691
00:22:39,309 --> 00:22:40,349
Like I it just... It it was just

692
00:22:40,349 --> 00:22:42,829
like this upward trajectory, and I mean, I

693
00:22:42,829 --> 00:22:44,910
didn't think I was gonna win. I just,

694
00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:47,159
yeah. I felt really good and things came

695
00:22:47,159 --> 00:22:49,618
together. Yeah. Do you look at your times?

696
00:22:49,777 --> 00:22:50,967
Do you know where you're at when you're

697
00:22:50,967 --> 00:22:52,792
on the bike. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I kinda

698
00:22:52,792 --> 00:22:53,609
need to know

699
00:22:55,108 --> 00:22:57,255
Yeah. When things are going well, you'd like

700
00:22:57,255 --> 00:22:58,550
to know because

701
00:22:58,925 --> 00:23:00,993
you'd hope to see yourself, like, winning a

702
00:23:00,993 --> 00:23:03,140
stage. Just something. Yeah I'm on it. But

703
00:23:03,140 --> 00:23:04,333
when things are not going well,

704
00:23:05,302 --> 00:23:06,974
like, recently, you need to see it and

705
00:23:06,974 --> 00:23:09,043
be like, okay. Like, as close, but I

706
00:23:09,202 --> 00:23:10,317
I need to, like, eat out a little

707
00:23:10,317 --> 00:23:12,864
bit more here. So you're making changes throughout

708
00:23:12,864 --> 00:23:14,455
the day based on where your numbers are

709
00:23:14,455 --> 00:23:16,309
at. Kind thing. Yeah. Do you think that

710
00:23:16,309 --> 00:23:17,509
is everyone doing that now?

711
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:20,090
Or is there a depending on your psychology

712
00:23:20,150 --> 00:23:22,070
kind of thing? Like, Jack doesn't... He doesn't

713
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:22,710
like to know? Yeah.

714
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:25,143
So I would say sometimes,

715
00:23:26,317 --> 00:23:27,535
it depends what kind of

716
00:23:29,189 --> 00:23:30,624
I guess, process goal you have for the

717
00:23:30,624 --> 00:23:32,618
race. Like, if if you're just trying to

718
00:23:32,618 --> 00:23:33,916
put together a

719
00:23:34,467 --> 00:23:36,694
smooth race where you wanna ride a certain

720
00:23:36,694 --> 00:23:38,126
way and you have this process. You don't

721
00:23:38,126 --> 00:23:39,398
want stage results to get in the way

722
00:23:39,398 --> 00:23:41,959
and and kind of ruin your process because

723
00:23:41,959 --> 00:23:42,993
you might see a bad 1 And then

724
00:23:42,993 --> 00:23:44,345
change it, then you have even worse 1.

725
00:23:44,822 --> 00:23:45,538
So, you know,

726
00:23:46,811 --> 00:23:47,311
I've

727
00:23:48,577 --> 00:23:50,571
Yeah. I've been all over the map, but

728
00:23:51,209 --> 00:23:52,644
I think if you have a certain goal

729
00:23:52,644 --> 00:23:54,477
out of the weekend, you don't really wanna

730
00:23:54,477 --> 00:23:56,471
look. Yep. Yeah. So you take the win,

731
00:23:57,045 --> 00:23:59,684
got this insane, like, you're on the top

732
00:23:59,684 --> 00:24:01,924
of the wave of confidence. Mh. Is it

733
00:24:01,924 --> 00:24:03,525
hard to stay there? Obviously, they're and they're

734
00:24:03,525 --> 00:24:06,337
coming into lawyers. Yeah. Yeah. I think,

735
00:24:07,769 --> 00:24:08,247
yeah. You just...

736
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:10,817
I don't know if you become

737
00:24:11,749 --> 00:24:14,217
cocky or confident or what it is, but

738
00:24:14,217 --> 00:24:15,490
you're just like, oh, yeah. Like,

739
00:24:16,224 --> 00:24:17,683
I I got this. And

740
00:24:18,461 --> 00:24:19,980
I would say Leo gang,

741
00:24:21,178 --> 00:24:23,756
that was a really tough track to

742
00:24:24,945 --> 00:24:25,898
attack. It was...

743
00:24:26,533 --> 00:24:27,985
It's not like the most

744
00:24:28,914 --> 00:24:30,899
bike I would say, this not a word,

745
00:24:31,137 --> 00:24:31,455
but, like,

746
00:24:32,424 --> 00:24:34,020
finale just tons of bike trails. Yeah. Those

747
00:24:34,020 --> 00:24:35,856
things just make sense. You can just carve

748
00:24:35,856 --> 00:24:36,676
things that

749
00:24:37,373 --> 00:24:39,848
Leo Gang was weird hiking trails and as

750
00:24:39,848 --> 00:24:42,172
soon as I started to, like, push and

751
00:24:42,172 --> 00:24:44,077
attack. You just make a mistake and then

752
00:24:44,077 --> 00:24:45,743
you're kinda like... It's not that you crash.

753
00:24:45,902 --> 00:24:48,283
You just... You start getting, like, offline because

754
00:24:48,283 --> 00:24:49,924
there's all these off camera root sections in

755
00:24:50,204 --> 00:24:51,639
no support, and then you just, like off

756
00:24:51,639 --> 00:24:53,713
track and so I struggled to put it

757
00:24:53,713 --> 00:24:54,910
together at that 1 for you. And it

758
00:24:54,910 --> 00:24:56,903
was pretty gently tape Was coming in and

759
00:24:56,903 --> 00:24:58,658
out of light bike putt. But that was

760
00:24:58,658 --> 00:25:00,430
stage 1. Yeah. Yeah. Not of that 1

761
00:25:00,670 --> 00:25:01,710
They took it out this year. So that

762
00:25:01,710 --> 00:25:03,710
was good. That's an improvement. Yeah. And then...

763
00:25:03,869 --> 00:25:06,029
Yeah. Kind of back on the up through

764
00:25:06,029 --> 00:25:07,309
the middle part of the season out of

765
00:25:07,390 --> 00:25:07,890
Faster.

766
00:25:08,349 --> 00:25:10,521
Mh. Fifth at both of those. Is fifth

767
00:25:10,521 --> 00:25:13,070
the result that you can walk away happy

768
00:25:13,070 --> 00:25:15,301
with these days or are you... Is that

769
00:25:15,301 --> 00:25:16,040
kinda not

770
00:25:16,575 --> 00:25:19,099
depends on... So Ken as I I was

771
00:25:19,539 --> 00:25:20,039
fighting

772
00:25:20,418 --> 00:25:20,918
for

773
00:25:22,336 --> 00:25:23,614
I was on the podium. I believe going

774
00:25:23,614 --> 00:25:24,653
to the last stage and then I just,

775
00:25:24,733 --> 00:25:24,893
like,

776
00:25:26,171 --> 00:25:28,203
fully blew up. That was a

777
00:25:28,578 --> 00:25:30,249
that was a bike setup up mistake at

778
00:25:30,249 --> 00:25:32,478
that 1, and I got, like, crazy arm

779
00:25:32,478 --> 00:25:34,229
pump and just got so. The last stages

780
00:25:34,229 --> 00:25:34,729
is

781
00:25:35,278 --> 00:25:37,188
I don't know, 11:12 minutes. Like such a

782
00:25:37,188 --> 00:25:38,621
long stage. It starts, like, high up in

783
00:25:38,621 --> 00:25:39,655
this it's beautiful.

784
00:25:40,451 --> 00:25:42,122
Lot of breaking these tight corners, and then

785
00:25:42,122 --> 00:25:43,315
it's really physical all the way to the

786
00:25:43,315 --> 00:25:44,134
finish and

787
00:25:44,604 --> 00:25:46,041
I just blew up halfway down and lost

788
00:25:46,041 --> 00:25:46,600
a ton of time.

789
00:25:47,478 --> 00:25:48,915
So I I could've have... I think I

790
00:25:48,995 --> 00:25:50,432
I was on page for second with that

791
00:25:50,432 --> 00:25:52,348
1, and I ended up fifth, so not

792
00:25:52,348 --> 00:25:53,945
happy with that 1. Was a fork setup

793
00:25:53,945 --> 00:25:56,427
up. Thing then? Yeah. Yeah. I just where

794
00:25:56,427 --> 00:25:57,461
where would you go too far?

795
00:25:58,416 --> 00:26:00,802
Finale, I ran a pretty soft set up

796
00:26:00,802 --> 00:26:02,192
because it was

797
00:26:02,566 --> 00:26:04,314
just lots of corner and flat corners. And

798
00:26:04,394 --> 00:26:06,460
I just wanted my fork low to, like,

799
00:26:06,698 --> 00:26:08,685
really lean up over the front of the

800
00:26:08,685 --> 00:26:09,956
bike and get good corner traction.

801
00:26:10,606 --> 00:26:12,828
Leo gang, I I upped it because it

802
00:26:12,828 --> 00:26:14,493
was a little bit rough, but didn't have

803
00:26:14,493 --> 00:26:15,921
a good Leo gang. So, I'm gonna go

804
00:26:15,921 --> 00:26:17,843
back to Now I set up. Which was

805
00:26:17,843 --> 00:26:19,835
just... I mean, I should know better at

806
00:26:19,835 --> 00:26:21,451
this point, but just a dumb

807
00:26:22,226 --> 00:26:24,777
dumb decision knowing that Can Eye was steeper

808
00:26:24,777 --> 00:26:25,175
and rough.

809
00:26:25,747 --> 00:26:26,938
It was fine for at the stage. Like

810
00:26:27,017 --> 00:26:27,970
I said I was doing well. I think

811
00:26:27,970 --> 00:26:29,319
I was sitting and... I don't... I think

812
00:26:29,398 --> 00:26:30,772
I sitting in second. And

813
00:26:31,463 --> 00:26:33,184
just for whatever reason I just

814
00:26:34,658 --> 00:26:36,570
road the last age and Okay. Because I

815
00:26:36,650 --> 00:26:39,518
I knew, like, the last year, when I

816
00:26:39,518 --> 00:26:40,872
was fighting Richie back and forth,

817
00:26:41,509 --> 00:26:42,407
I had lost

818
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:44,398
bunch of time on that stage. And so,

819
00:26:44,478 --> 00:26:46,555
like, this year I was, okay, I want

820
00:26:46,555 --> 00:26:48,314
to prove that I can win this stage

821
00:26:48,314 --> 00:26:50,071
to myself. Yeah. So I just attacked it.

822
00:26:50,471 --> 00:26:52,045
And, yeah, Just blew up and that was

823
00:26:52,164 --> 00:26:53,843
that was not bad. So running that soft,

824
00:26:54,002 --> 00:26:54,822
like softer.

825
00:26:55,361 --> 00:26:56,959
Are you just sing we just sing too

826
00:26:56,959 --> 00:26:59,277
deep into it? So blowing through travel. Like

827
00:26:59,436 --> 00:27:01,035
I said it was this high high, like,

828
00:27:01,448 --> 00:27:02,960
speed bridge line, and then you showed to

829
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:03,698
go to these

830
00:27:04,073 --> 00:27:05,982
steep stepping switch backs, and so you'd be

831
00:27:05,982 --> 00:27:08,265
breaking fork diving and just having a grips

832
00:27:08,384 --> 00:27:10,054
so hard to not blow out the front.

833
00:27:10,293 --> 00:27:12,122
Yeah. And I'm someone who's always struggled with

834
00:27:12,122 --> 00:27:14,111
eye pump. So, yeah. That just totally blew

835
00:27:14,111 --> 00:27:16,778
me up. Yeah. For Yeah. But then Lu

836
00:27:16,918 --> 00:27:18,776
fifth, I was stoked with because

837
00:27:21,552 --> 00:27:22,990
stoked ish where.

838
00:27:23,883 --> 00:27:25,073
No. I think I I think I rode

839
00:27:25,073 --> 00:27:26,024
well at that 1 and I was a

840
00:27:26,024 --> 00:27:27,372
bunch of french in front of me. So...

841
00:27:27,609 --> 00:27:27,768
Yeah.

842
00:27:28,561 --> 00:27:29,909
Hard to beat them on their home track

843
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:32,223
there. So I was I was decently happy

844
00:27:32,223 --> 00:27:33,970
with that 1. The trial was there. They're

845
00:27:33,970 --> 00:27:36,192
really good. Yeah. Yeah. The first race wasn't...

846
00:27:36,668 --> 00:27:37,541
We had a lot more like,

847
00:27:39,144 --> 00:27:40,423
there's, like, 2 sides of the hair, like,

848
00:27:40,502 --> 00:27:43,319
the downhill side, the downhill tracks on the

849
00:27:43,538 --> 00:27:46,667
lift access bike side. Don't love those, but

850
00:27:46,667 --> 00:27:48,017
on the other side it's a lot more

851
00:27:48,017 --> 00:27:50,557
natural 30 steep stuff. Yeah. And they added

852
00:27:50,557 --> 00:27:51,827
1 on the other side that was, like,

853
00:27:52,145 --> 00:27:54,050
just sick. Just like, almost a... It was

854
00:27:54,050 --> 00:27:55,265
like, a half lung

855
00:27:55,654 --> 00:27:56,394
and then

856
00:27:57,255 --> 00:27:59,494
really good building trail and, yeah,

857
00:28:00,134 --> 00:28:02,454
It's super fun. Sounds good. And then finish

858
00:28:02,454 --> 00:28:05,104
the season with another win. Mh. Yeah. So

859
00:28:05,104 --> 00:28:07,090
that was that was a good feeling. Yeah.

860
00:28:07,328 --> 00:28:08,838
The... Works, it's the perfect end to a

861
00:28:08,838 --> 00:28:10,507
season. It's other than taking the overall obviously,

862
00:28:10,666 --> 00:28:12,573
which is what you're, I guess, therefore ultimately.

863
00:28:12,731 --> 00:28:14,341
But to walk away from the end of

864
00:28:14,341 --> 00:28:15,776
a season with that, we must feel good.

865
00:28:16,095 --> 00:28:17,611
Yep. Yeah. No. It was awesome. I think

866
00:28:18,009 --> 00:28:20,243
it just proved again that everything was there.

867
00:28:20,402 --> 00:28:21,758
I just had to put it together, and,

868
00:28:22,396 --> 00:28:23,009
I think

869
00:28:24,007 --> 00:28:24,507
after

870
00:28:25,045 --> 00:28:26,561
Lu vale. I I think I rode...

871
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,876
I thought I was riding fast, and I,

872
00:28:28,956 --> 00:28:29,993
again, Had a stage win at that 1,

873
00:28:30,153 --> 00:28:31,270
so I knew the speed was there.

874
00:28:31,845 --> 00:28:33,205
But I was just being a little bit

875
00:28:33,205 --> 00:28:34,265
cautious. And so

876
00:28:34,805 --> 00:28:36,644
last versus season. I think I was in...

877
00:28:37,684 --> 00:28:39,125
I might have been fourth at that point.

878
00:28:39,205 --> 00:28:40,979
And I was like, well, fourth means nothing.

879
00:28:41,138 --> 00:28:43,536
I'd rather, like, finish on the overall podium

880
00:28:43,536 --> 00:28:46,093
or not? Yeah. So I just attacked and

881
00:28:46,093 --> 00:28:48,011
went old in, and it worked, which is

882
00:28:48,011 --> 00:28:49,790
nice. Yeah. Very nice. So

883
00:28:50,103 --> 00:28:51,532
what do you do then coming out of

884
00:28:51,532 --> 00:28:52,962
a season after you've had a little bit

885
00:28:52,962 --> 00:28:54,709
of a break, I'm sure, but how do

886
00:28:54,709 --> 00:28:57,011
you reflect back and look at? Okay. How

887
00:28:57,011 --> 00:28:59,117
did this go? Now that we've got some

888
00:28:59,256 --> 00:29:01,090
space from it all. And what do I

889
00:29:01,090 --> 00:29:02,924
wanna do this winter whether that's, you know,

890
00:29:03,084 --> 00:29:03,642
bikes set up,

891
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,434
the mental side of things, the physical side

892
00:29:06,434 --> 00:29:07,652
of things. How do you,

893
00:29:08,601 --> 00:29:10,828
you know, plan your off season goals based

894
00:29:10,828 --> 00:29:13,532
on your previous season's before? Yeah. I think

895
00:29:14,487 --> 00:29:16,411
I had spent a lot of the previous

896
00:29:16,411 --> 00:29:18,002
winter on bike setup because it was a

897
00:29:18,002 --> 00:29:19,059
huge change. So

898
00:29:19,911 --> 00:29:21,741
I did a ton that winter to figure

899
00:29:21,741 --> 00:29:22,241
out

900
00:29:22,695 --> 00:29:23,514
how I wanted

901
00:29:23,984 --> 00:29:26,374
all like, new parts and and and product

902
00:29:26,374 --> 00:29:27,272
set up. So

903
00:29:28,047 --> 00:29:29,560
I wanted to spend more time on the

904
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,473
physical side of things just because I had

905
00:29:31,473 --> 00:29:34,377
done so much product side. And so

906
00:29:34,752 --> 00:29:36,981
we just find a bunch of, road training

907
00:29:36,981 --> 00:29:38,356
camps with my friends and

908
00:29:38,732 --> 00:29:40,482
just kinda wanted to have fun with the

909
00:29:40,482 --> 00:29:42,393
fitness side of things and then ramp up

910
00:29:42,393 --> 00:29:42,893
the

911
00:29:43,203 --> 00:29:43,838
technical side,

912
00:29:44,473 --> 00:29:45,980
leading end of the season? Yeah. Do you

913
00:29:45,980 --> 00:29:47,829
think the physical side of things has changed

914
00:29:48,123 --> 00:29:49,631
much in the last few years. We feel

915
00:29:49,631 --> 00:29:51,559
like we've settled now more on this

916
00:29:51,868 --> 00:29:53,958
like, shorter, more intense

917
00:29:54,412 --> 00:29:56,240
format of endurance seems to be a bit

918
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,624
consistent whereas previously, we were up and down

919
00:29:58,624 --> 00:30:00,532
from big day short ones. Yeah. I think

920
00:30:00,532 --> 00:30:00,904
that

921
00:30:01,582 --> 00:30:04,634
my training hasn't changed too much because

922
00:30:05,489 --> 00:30:08,279
I think that going forward, we're going back

923
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:10,365
to the long. Like, We saw some of

924
00:30:10,365 --> 00:30:12,353
them last year, and that's the the goal

925
00:30:12,353 --> 00:30:13,944
is to have these longer, bigger days.

926
00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:14,978
And so,

927
00:30:15,693 --> 00:30:17,284
my training hasn't stray too much. I'm just

928
00:30:17,284 --> 00:30:18,794
being able to do a really big day

929
00:30:18,794 --> 00:30:19,294
with

930
00:30:19,764 --> 00:30:21,755
as much intense as I can in that

931
00:30:21,755 --> 00:30:23,906
day. So... Yeah. Yep. I still focus on

932
00:30:23,906 --> 00:30:26,614
that. And and bikes wise, again, have you,

933
00:30:26,694 --> 00:30:28,526
like, evolved anything over this winter.

934
00:30:29,339 --> 00:30:31,416
No. Just still getting, like, new product from

935
00:30:31,416 --> 00:30:32,795
some of the sponsors and

936
00:30:33,653 --> 00:30:35,412
comparing it team as better and and trying

937
00:30:35,412 --> 00:30:37,822
to trying to constantly improve. Yeah. Yeah. So

938
00:30:37,982 --> 00:30:38,540
I was lucky...

939
00:30:39,178 --> 00:30:40,614
I felt good Like, I I knew that

940
00:30:40,614 --> 00:30:42,948
the the bike was dialed and

941
00:30:43,326 --> 00:30:45,240
it was hard to find things to test.

942
00:30:45,479 --> 00:30:46,936
Be like, okay. Like, he just

943
00:30:47,566 --> 00:30:48,996
just testing things for the sake of testing

944
00:30:48,996 --> 00:30:51,538
things, and I was able to test some

945
00:30:51,538 --> 00:30:54,318
things that gave me some insight onto certain

946
00:30:54,318 --> 00:30:55,136
things, and

947
00:30:55,924 --> 00:30:57,781
they... I don't think I really changed

948
00:30:58,159 --> 00:30:58,659
anything

949
00:30:59,596 --> 00:31:00,894
going into this season

950
00:31:01,432 --> 00:31:02,789
even though I tested a bunch of other

951
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:04,920
stuff I think. I pretty happy. They you

952
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:07,134
are you the sort of rider that

953
00:31:07,592 --> 00:31:10,622
runs a fairly consistent set up from venue

954
00:31:10,622 --> 00:31:11,362
to venue

955
00:31:11,739 --> 00:31:13,255
or you the sort of person that will

956
00:31:13,255 --> 00:31:15,581
spend the off season kind of book ending

957
00:31:15,581 --> 00:31:17,569
and working things out so that you know

958
00:31:17,569 --> 00:31:19,637
where to move things that you wanna move

959
00:31:19,637 --> 00:31:21,069
when you get to venue. Yeah. I mean,

960
00:31:21,149 --> 00:31:23,228
that's kinda what tested, like, I I went

961
00:31:23,228 --> 00:31:25,924
to Pe, pre season Pe just north of

962
00:31:25,924 --> 00:31:28,858
of whistler and it's a lot sand dryer,

963
00:31:29,096 --> 00:31:29,413
looser.

964
00:31:30,064 --> 00:31:32,056
And so I was testing some things for

965
00:31:32,056 --> 00:31:33,650
finale because finale is a lot more like

966
00:31:33,650 --> 00:31:35,823
that. So it was wheels and tires and

967
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,450
seeing what I could get away with, but

968
00:31:38,365 --> 00:31:39,899
and there a funny 1 because

969
00:31:40,513 --> 00:31:42,367
it's so much racing time that

970
00:31:42,981 --> 00:31:44,754
comfort or just familiarity

971
00:31:45,384 --> 00:31:47,538
I think really shines through anything else. So

972
00:31:47,617 --> 00:31:48,915
Yeah. I was trying

973
00:31:50,489 --> 00:31:51,308
like, wider

974
00:31:51,924 --> 00:31:54,897
wider rims with D two's like faster rolling

975
00:31:55,844 --> 00:31:57,931
to see if that would, like, work and

976
00:31:58,860 --> 00:32:01,320
you're just sacrificing on on fuel. And I

977
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,828
know the Downhill guys like love those tires.

978
00:32:02,986 --> 00:32:05,470
So I But I I just stuck to

979
00:32:05,470 --> 00:32:07,065
my ass guy I front in D 2

980
00:32:07,065 --> 00:32:08,841
rear. Yeah had the note the well known

981
00:32:08,899 --> 00:32:10,574
combination. Yeah. You been plan with spoke counts

982
00:32:10,574 --> 00:32:12,488
stuff far that intentions That was, like the

983
00:32:12,488 --> 00:32:14,893
previous winter. Yeah. Okay. But just settled on,

984
00:32:15,449 --> 00:32:18,152
28 haul, 47 ones. So front and rear.

985
00:32:18,390 --> 00:32:20,139
Yeah. So that... And is that in a

986
00:32:20,139 --> 00:32:21,673
search for some level of

987
00:32:22,064 --> 00:32:24,537
to reflect compliance. Yeah. Yeah. Compliance and I

988
00:32:24,537 --> 00:32:27,032
felt, like, for me, the 05:11

989
00:32:27,171 --> 00:32:29,107
is what I was on in the winter

990
00:32:29,485 --> 00:32:31,176
before Or, I guess the the the beginning

991
00:32:31,176 --> 00:32:34,208
of the winter, and I honestly, like, they're

992
00:32:34,208 --> 00:32:35,724
too strong for me. Like, I'm like at

993
00:32:35,724 --> 00:32:36,682
I led a guy, and I was like,

994
00:32:38,132 --> 00:32:40,993
You know, I I shouldn't be... I want

995
00:32:40,993 --> 00:32:42,345
my wheels to just make it through it

996
00:32:42,345 --> 00:32:42,822
every weekend.

997
00:32:44,332 --> 00:32:46,319
So... Yeah. We went later. Lighter and and

998
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:48,877
more compliant. Yeah. Makes total sense. And was

999
00:32:48,877 --> 00:32:51,103
the strive, the obvious choice because spectral of

1000
00:32:51,103 --> 00:32:52,636
kind of dropped down in travel

1001
00:32:53,010 --> 00:32:54,680
positioned it closer to trail bike category these

1002
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,761
days I guess. So. Yeah. Driver like doesn't

1003
00:32:56,761 --> 00:32:57,261
feel

1004
00:32:57,794 --> 00:32:59,621
it's hundred and 60 males, and it doesn't

1005
00:32:59,621 --> 00:33:01,368
feel like too much bike ever. So... Yeah.

1006
00:33:02,004 --> 00:33:03,513
Yeah. I'm I'm super happy with it still.

1007
00:33:03,672 --> 00:33:04,490
Like I

1008
00:33:05,436 --> 00:33:06,892
if I'm if I'm

1009
00:33:07,268 --> 00:33:09,338
lost on set up, which sometimes I get

1010
00:33:09,338 --> 00:33:11,727
to, I'm struggling with a bike, but when

1011
00:33:11,806 --> 00:33:12,523
I'm on set up,

1012
00:33:13,494 --> 00:33:15,568
I really, like... Yeah. I feel like it's

1013
00:33:15,568 --> 00:33:17,723
a... It's actually really, really get like... Yeah.

1014
00:33:17,882 --> 00:33:19,558
Have you played with the kiss this keep

1015
00:33:19,558 --> 00:33:21,648
it stable system at all they do an

1016
00:33:21,648 --> 00:33:24,042
external or Yep. In pro product prototype site.

1017
00:33:24,202 --> 00:33:25,558
They have an external version of thing. Yeah.

1018
00:33:25,718 --> 00:33:27,154
I won nationals on that last year actually.

1019
00:33:27,314 --> 00:33:28,352
Okay. So I've had it.

1020
00:33:29,403 --> 00:33:30,830
And I haven't actually had on my bike

1021
00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:32,518
recently, but we're

1022
00:33:32,890 --> 00:33:33,390
still

1023
00:33:34,316 --> 00:33:35,450
looking at the

1024
00:33:37,347 --> 00:33:39,342
I guess the the potential with that system

1025
00:33:39,342 --> 00:33:40,938
and and what it should look like. Mh.

1026
00:33:41,656 --> 00:33:43,592
But yeah, I think I found

1027
00:33:44,143 --> 00:33:45,575
at home, like, on trails that I knew

1028
00:33:45,575 --> 00:33:47,085
with good support. I really liked it. Yeah.

1029
00:33:47,244 --> 00:33:48,596
It just really helps connect like the front

1030
00:33:48,596 --> 00:33:49,710
and the back of the bike and you

1031
00:33:49,710 --> 00:33:51,936
can just, like, smear it through corners and

1032
00:33:51,936 --> 00:33:53,209
and I really enjoyed it. But when I'm

1033
00:33:53,209 --> 00:33:55,716
in places especially like last weekend when it's

1034
00:33:56,811 --> 00:33:57,311
really

1035
00:33:57,768 --> 00:33:58,986
loose and

1036
00:33:59,682 --> 00:34:02,793
you're always struggling with front wheel traction, it

1037
00:34:02,793 --> 00:34:03,884
it kind of like

1038
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:05,988
just... It didn't... It doesn't perform the way

1039
00:34:05,988 --> 00:34:07,497
that I wanted to. It kinda ticks away

1040
00:34:07,497 --> 00:34:10,276
from from the feeling. So... Okay. Certain aspects

1041
00:34:10,434 --> 00:34:11,466
I have on my e bike actually, and

1042
00:34:11,546 --> 00:34:12,578
I keep it on my bike all the

1043
00:34:12,578 --> 00:34:12,657
time.

1044
00:34:13,387 --> 00:34:15,079
For some for some reason, like, the

1045
00:34:15,453 --> 00:34:17,440
the flop of... Because you bikes heavier, like,

1046
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:19,665
the flop of it, Like, you can just

1047
00:34:19,665 --> 00:34:21,834
lean the bike in really just like

1048
00:34:22,539 --> 00:34:24,125
really like makes sense the hogs the bayer

1049
00:34:24,125 --> 00:34:25,472
air the flop on an e bike always

1050
00:34:25,472 --> 00:34:27,215
feel especially the further you lean the more

1051
00:34:27,215 --> 00:34:29,459
aggressive that flop gets. And I think because

1052
00:34:30,087 --> 00:34:32,475
the the, like, back into the bike. Or

1053
00:34:32,475 --> 00:34:33,988
the the middle of the bike is so

1054
00:34:33,988 --> 00:34:35,182
heavy and so dominant.

1055
00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:37,492
It helps connect the front to that. So

1056
00:34:37,651 --> 00:34:39,664
Yeah. The front can sometimes feel like really

1057
00:34:39,664 --> 00:34:41,585
floppy. And so now, like, the whole bike

1058
00:34:41,585 --> 00:34:44,164
is just quite stable and and smooth. So

1059
00:34:44,224 --> 00:34:45,585
interesting. I really like it. Yeah. I try

1060
00:34:45,585 --> 00:34:47,667
to I did some fairly limited, but did

1061
00:34:47,667 --> 00:34:48,857
some back to back with it, and it

1062
00:34:48,857 --> 00:34:49,491
was definitely...

1063
00:34:49,967 --> 00:34:52,029
Like, we were riding quite a muddy rudd

1064
00:34:52,029 --> 00:34:54,224
track. Yeah. And for me, it really helps

1065
00:34:54,424 --> 00:34:56,498
Yeah. In confidence to be able to stay

1066
00:34:56,498 --> 00:34:57,775
in that rut and not get a bit

1067
00:34:57,775 --> 00:34:59,551
out of control, like it just... The bikes

1068
00:34:59,610 --> 00:35:00,966
seems to go where you wanted it to

1069
00:35:00,966 --> 00:35:01,420
and not

1070
00:35:02,096 --> 00:35:04,084
wiggle a bit more but. Yeah. And it's

1071
00:35:04,084 --> 00:35:06,073
interesting because we're seeing admittedly it's not a

1072
00:35:06,073 --> 00:35:08,950
damper that Mh. The Canyon version. We are

1073
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:10,695
starting to see some steering dampers now at

1074
00:35:10,695 --> 00:35:12,837
the end insurers. Like, yeah. What have you

1075
00:35:12,837 --> 00:35:14,027
been able to speak to the riders they're

1076
00:35:14,027 --> 00:35:15,510
using them and what what are they

1077
00:35:15,868 --> 00:35:17,302
looking for with those because they're adding weight,

1078
00:35:17,462 --> 00:35:18,976
which no 1 wants to do. Right? Yeah.

1079
00:35:19,693 --> 00:35:21,127
I think we've gone back to the...

1080
00:35:21,844 --> 00:35:22,720
Who cares about weight.

1081
00:35:23,438 --> 00:35:25,371
Type type thinking. I don't know. I think

1082
00:35:25,683 --> 00:35:28,333
we want good good products and know bike

1083
00:35:28,391 --> 00:35:30,382
that are durable. So that's good. I don't

1084
00:35:30,382 --> 00:35:31,815
think we care too much. Yeah. I've heard

1085
00:35:31,815 --> 00:35:33,169
mixed of views on that thing.

1086
00:35:34,619 --> 00:35:36,396
I think some people run it for

1087
00:35:37,173 --> 00:35:38,152
almost like a

1088
00:35:38,929 --> 00:35:39,648
just a mental,

1089
00:35:40,446 --> 00:35:42,282
a mental reason. Okay. I've seen it go

1090
00:35:42,282 --> 00:35:43,480
on in awful a lot of bikes.

1091
00:35:44,532 --> 00:35:45,032
And,

1092
00:35:45,808 --> 00:35:47,563
yeah. I mean, Richie runs it, but he's

1093
00:35:47,563 --> 00:35:49,179
hard to get answers out of. So

1094
00:35:49,876 --> 00:35:52,746
got it. Yeah. So... And then I think

1095
00:35:52,986 --> 00:35:53,225
Jack,

1096
00:35:53,879 --> 00:35:55,477
Mo was on. I don't know if he

1097
00:35:55,477 --> 00:35:56,836
you will. If he still... Sure if he

1098
00:35:56,836 --> 00:35:57,955
did. Yeah. I know that Book could put

1099
00:35:57,955 --> 00:35:58,994
it on then took it off.

1100
00:36:00,432 --> 00:36:01,791
And Other I know other people that have

1101
00:36:01,791 --> 00:36:03,880
taken it off as well. So Again, I

1102
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:04,539
think it's

1103
00:36:05,074 --> 00:36:05,551
it's all...

1104
00:36:06,267 --> 00:36:08,256
It helps with certain situations, but maybe not

1105
00:36:08,256 --> 00:36:09,768
every certain situation So I think it's just

1106
00:36:09,768 --> 00:36:11,041
a routing style type of thing. Do you

1107
00:36:11,041 --> 00:36:13,468
think dampers will keep stable stuff is a

1108
00:36:13,606 --> 00:36:16,719
potential, like, fatigue reduction thing. Possibly. Yeah. Yeah.

1109
00:36:16,958 --> 00:36:18,315
You have a longer term and long range.

1110
00:36:18,554 --> 00:36:20,605
That's why I, like, kind of

1111
00:36:21,445 --> 00:36:23,764
wanted it originally and and enjoyed the kiss

1112
00:36:23,764 --> 00:36:26,025
system at home because it just... It does

1113
00:36:26,244 --> 00:36:27,844
allow you to relax almost a little bit

1114
00:36:27,844 --> 00:36:29,224
more. Because she's not trying to

1115
00:36:30,257 --> 00:36:31,932
keep your buyers from, like, tweaking it all

1116
00:36:31,932 --> 00:36:32,650
the time. Yeah.

1117
00:36:33,368 --> 00:36:35,442
Cool. And then this off season, you had

1118
00:36:35,442 --> 00:36:37,356
a fellow Canadian Jack. He's joining you on

1119
00:36:37,356 --> 00:36:39,031
the Canyon squad. Yeah. That must have been

1120
00:36:39,031 --> 00:36:41,275
nice. Yeah. Pretty cool. Yeah. How local is

1121
00:36:41,275 --> 00:36:43,980
he to you? Very. Okay. Yeah. He's from

1122
00:36:44,457 --> 00:36:46,659
from Alberta, so different province, but

1123
00:36:47,097 --> 00:36:49,006
He lives in Sq now. So he's just

1124
00:36:49,006 --> 00:36:50,835
up there... He's, like, just across the highway

1125
00:36:50,835 --> 00:36:52,665
from me. Yeah. Has not been beneficial then

1126
00:36:52,665 --> 00:36:54,994
to have someone to, like, yeah. Test with

1127
00:36:54,994 --> 00:36:57,394
train with compare notes with on product and

1128
00:36:57,394 --> 00:36:59,315
stuff. Yeah Well, I mean, yeah. It's just

1129
00:36:59,315 --> 00:37:01,155
from, like, feel like back in the day

1130
00:37:01,155 --> 00:37:03,155
with Ram and Airline and having people local

1131
00:37:03,155 --> 00:37:04,527
and every time you have a test session,

1132
00:37:04,686 --> 00:37:05,963
like, you can have someone out there and

1133
00:37:05,963 --> 00:37:08,198
come with you and it's always just nice

1134
00:37:08,198 --> 00:37:09,953
to kinda do it with someone else and

1135
00:37:09,953 --> 00:37:10,592
he brings

1136
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:13,628
a lot more energy into the team, which

1137
00:37:13,628 --> 00:37:16,484
is nice. And different riding style. He's got,

1138
00:37:16,563 --> 00:37:19,340
like, incredible technique, and, you know, I think

1139
00:37:19,340 --> 00:37:19,840
we

1140
00:37:20,229 --> 00:37:21,367
we can see the

1141
00:37:22,462 --> 00:37:23,818
the skills that each 1 of us has

1142
00:37:23,818 --> 00:37:24,934
and we and we're trying to, like,

1143
00:37:25,811 --> 00:37:27,486
merge them in a way? So that's cool.

1144
00:37:27,646 --> 00:37:29,892
Yeah. Can you can you read across kind

1145
00:37:29,892 --> 00:37:32,594
of settings and stuff or those different writing

1146
00:37:32,594 --> 00:37:35,138
styles meeting out really different. We've... I think

1147
00:37:35,138 --> 00:37:37,523
we tried originally, or, like, I think he

1148
00:37:37,523 --> 00:37:38,658
you tried and

1149
00:37:38,968 --> 00:37:40,876
realize that I ride way different than he

1150
00:37:40,876 --> 00:37:42,387
does. K. And and

1151
00:37:43,181 --> 00:37:45,089
it's really tough He's way. He's he he's

1152
00:37:45,089 --> 00:37:46,202
like, wait taller than I am.

1153
00:37:46,854 --> 00:37:47,514
Way bigger

1154
00:37:48,289 --> 00:37:50,760
rides completely different. So it's it's tough for

1155
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,195
us I have similar setups, and I and

1156
00:37:52,355 --> 00:37:54,667
I try not to influence them too much

1157
00:37:54,667 --> 00:37:55,167
because

1158
00:37:55,717 --> 00:37:57,067
I've done so much testing and I and

1159
00:37:57,147 --> 00:37:58,338
I feel like I know a lot, but

1160
00:37:58,417 --> 00:37:59,314
I I

1161
00:37:59,926 --> 00:38:01,141
insist that he is

1162
00:38:01,752 --> 00:38:03,896
a different writer, and so he shouldn't necessarily

1163
00:38:03,896 --> 00:38:05,501
do everything that I do. So Think it's

1164
00:38:05,501 --> 00:38:07,650
been pretty good at, like, understanding and he'll

1165
00:38:07,650 --> 00:38:09,242
take certain and things I say, but is

1166
00:38:09,242 --> 00:38:11,550
happy to, like, stand strong and and other

1167
00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:12,559
things. So it's been.

1168
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,599
It's been good. Yeah. Nice having a companion

1169
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:16,360
out on the road as. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

1170
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,239
Nice. So coming into 20 24,

1171
00:38:20,054 --> 00:38:22,520
It's a smaller season this year, which Yeah.

1172
00:38:23,395 --> 00:38:25,940
Is for some in some ways disappointed and

1173
00:38:25,940 --> 00:38:28,589
in other ways, kinda I guess understandable with

1174
00:38:28,589 --> 00:38:31,309
brands going through struggles and it makes the

1175
00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:32,829
whole thing a bit more affordable from that

1176
00:38:32,829 --> 00:38:33,150
perspective.

1177
00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:35,550
What was your view coming into the year

1178
00:38:35,550 --> 00:38:38,144
on having this, like, very Eu focused

1179
00:38:38,764 --> 00:38:39,404
short season.

1180
00:38:40,605 --> 00:38:42,364
Yeah. I think that we are just at

1181
00:38:42,364 --> 00:38:44,065
the whim of a big

1182
00:38:44,936 --> 00:38:47,644
corporation now, and I think their focus is

1183
00:38:47,644 --> 00:38:49,737
slightly elsewhere. U. And

1184
00:38:50,112 --> 00:38:52,502
so it's it's unfortunate for sure, but I

1185
00:38:52,502 --> 00:38:55,224
think it's just in in my view, it's

1186
00:38:55,224 --> 00:38:57,852
temporary. Yeah. And everyone wants to get up

1187
00:38:57,852 --> 00:39:00,161
in arms and complain and and scream and

1188
00:39:00,161 --> 00:39:02,407
show and you're like, okay, Well, it's 1

1189
00:39:02,407 --> 00:39:03,704
year, and

1190
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,391
I don't foresee it happening forever because... Okay.

1191
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:08,543
You know, the guy in charge created this

1192
00:39:08,543 --> 00:39:09,442
sport and

1193
00:39:09,754 --> 00:39:11,672
I don't think he wants to see it

1194
00:39:11,672 --> 00:39:13,190
this way. And so he's just doing the

1195
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:14,228
best he can right now.

1196
00:39:15,587 --> 00:39:17,997
And I I just kind of I don't

1197
00:39:17,997 --> 00:39:19,112
know I have faith in these guys, like,

1198
00:39:19,271 --> 00:39:20,806
I've I've known Chris for

1199
00:39:21,579 --> 00:39:23,967
I don't know. 11 years now Yeah. And

1200
00:39:23,967 --> 00:39:25,343
he's a pretty good guy. So

1201
00:39:25,814 --> 00:39:27,013
I think that that'll it'll... It'll be fine.

1202
00:39:27,172 --> 00:39:28,531
Like, the season was... Yeah,

1203
00:39:29,250 --> 00:39:32,606
extremely European based as an exclusively European based.

1204
00:39:33,645 --> 00:39:35,809
Which just The only thing that I don't

1205
00:39:35,809 --> 00:39:36,786
like is,

1206
00:39:37,637 --> 00:39:38,614
you know, the

1207
00:39:40,497 --> 00:39:41,554
the lack of

1208
00:39:42,581 --> 00:39:45,131
sympathy, I think, from from the heroes who

1209
00:39:45,131 --> 00:39:47,203
live here and don't have to travel that

1210
00:39:47,203 --> 00:39:48,478
we have to worry about Visa days. Like,

1211
00:39:48,638 --> 00:39:50,168
we're all gonna be, like, close to over

1212
00:39:50,168 --> 00:39:52,323
days just doing this race series. Yeah. I

1213
00:39:52,323 --> 00:39:53,840
had to go home for... I mean it

1214
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,234
had to. But, yeah, 9 days just, like

1215
00:39:56,234 --> 00:39:57,591
escape the eu. So I could, like, be

1216
00:39:57,591 --> 00:39:59,040
end of days and it like, that's 2

1217
00:39:59,040 --> 00:39:59,778
jet lag

1218
00:40:00,391 --> 00:40:02,456
trips in in less than 2 weeks and

1219
00:40:02,456 --> 00:40:04,601
it kinda sucks. Stress on the body that's

1220
00:40:04,601 --> 00:40:07,119
not positive stress for training. Yeah. So it's

1221
00:40:07,319 --> 00:40:09,552
it's tough to compete against people who don't

1222
00:40:09,552 --> 00:40:11,067
have to deal with that. Yeah.

1223
00:40:11,785 --> 00:40:14,177
So that's the only thing that I think

1224
00:40:14,177 --> 00:40:15,373
is slightly unfair. Yep.

1225
00:40:16,251 --> 00:40:18,420
But you have amazing. I love traveling you.

1226
00:40:18,739 --> 00:40:21,134
They have great venues and, you know, I

1227
00:40:21,134 --> 00:40:21,772
think that

1228
00:40:22,730 --> 00:40:24,326
moving forward. Hopefully,

1229
00:40:25,219 --> 00:40:26,500
we get back to some of the classic

1230
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:28,019
venues and and things will be all good?

1231
00:40:28,179 --> 00:40:30,260
Yeah. What gives you confidence that it's a

1232
00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:31,059
kinda temporary thing.

1233
00:40:33,713 --> 00:40:35,168
We've been having a lot more

1234
00:40:35,942 --> 00:40:37,078
meetings with those

1235
00:40:37,534 --> 00:40:37,931
upper,

1236
00:40:38,966 --> 00:40:40,581
upper management people and

1237
00:40:42,086 --> 00:40:44,315
kind of telling them like, hey, you know,

1238
00:40:44,713 --> 00:40:46,645
we wanna see this port succeed, and

1239
00:40:47,339 --> 00:40:48,771
these are the things that we think need

1240
00:40:48,771 --> 00:40:50,284
need to happen and and they're being to

1241
00:40:50,284 --> 00:40:52,050
be receptive and cool. I think that's really

1242
00:40:52,050 --> 00:40:53,882
good. So... Yeah. Yeah. It's it's been good.

1243
00:40:54,041 --> 00:40:55,873
It's it's tough because it used to be

1244
00:40:55,873 --> 00:40:57,626
such a small company and so easy to,

1245
00:40:57,785 --> 00:40:57,864
like,

1246
00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:01,618
move and now it's it's huge and Yeah.

1247
00:41:01,856 --> 00:41:02,015
Yeah.

1248
00:41:02,730 --> 00:41:04,476
Their their biggest focus is on cross country.

1249
00:41:04,715 --> 00:41:06,882
So that it stays in the Olympics, and

1250
00:41:07,018 --> 00:41:08,606
then obviously, there's down, which has, like the

1251
00:41:08,606 --> 00:41:11,412
most to lose. Yeah. So I I understand

1252
00:41:11,412 --> 00:41:13,170
it. And I think that to me, it

1253
00:41:13,170 --> 00:41:14,688
makes sense and I'm happy just to go

1254
00:41:14,688 --> 00:41:16,206
and raise my bike and and do my

1255
00:41:16,206 --> 00:41:17,106
thing, and then

1256
00:41:17,497 --> 00:41:18,846
Now we're like, feeling like we a chance.

1257
00:41:18,925 --> 00:41:20,830
To be like, okay. Like, you've you've dealt

1258
00:41:20,830 --> 00:41:22,496
that with all those things and not now

1259
00:41:22,496 --> 00:41:23,924
we can kinda figure out our own things

1260
00:41:23,924 --> 00:41:25,772
and Yeah. Yeah. That's great to have that

1261
00:41:25,772 --> 00:41:27,129
perspective And. I've never thought about it, but,

1262
00:41:27,288 --> 00:41:29,124
yeah, like, the bigger a company gets the

1263
00:41:29,124 --> 00:41:31,359
less agile it gets because lots layers of

1264
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:32,636
approval and all this kind of stuff, and

1265
00:41:32,636 --> 00:41:34,165
it's gone from I mean I don't know

1266
00:41:34,165 --> 00:41:35,836
how big Es was when it was just

1267
00:41:35,836 --> 00:41:36,336
running.

1268
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:39,814
Aws, but probably 10 tens of people. If

1269
00:41:39,814 --> 00:41:41,741
not less. Yeah. And then suddenly, you're in

1270
00:41:41,741 --> 00:41:44,214
this corporation of tens of thousands probably around

1271
00:41:44,214 --> 00:41:46,686
the world, running warner River say. Yeah. Yeah.

1272
00:41:46,926 --> 00:41:48,441
That makes So makes lot of sense. It's

1273
00:41:48,441 --> 00:41:49,637
tough. For sure. And like, that's the thing

1274
00:41:49,637 --> 00:41:50,616
is you have to

1275
00:41:51,405 --> 00:41:52,382
accept that. And,

1276
00:41:53,155 --> 00:41:54,905
yeah. I think like I said, I think

1277
00:41:54,905 --> 00:41:57,211
we'll get back to back to where it

1278
00:41:57,211 --> 00:41:58,961
should be, and I think people underestimate like,

1279
00:41:59,533 --> 00:42:01,521
obviously, the impact Covid had on Yeah. Not

1280
00:42:01,521 --> 00:42:03,929
just brands, but organizers, like, so many people

1281
00:42:03,985 --> 00:42:05,678
would have struggled to get through that and

1282
00:42:06,211 --> 00:42:06,711
and

1283
00:42:07,579 --> 00:42:09,179
have the means of bro race again. And

1284
00:42:09,179 --> 00:42:10,699
it's still having an impact to some extent

1285
00:42:10,779 --> 00:42:12,319
Right? Mean bike brands are still

1286
00:42:12,619 --> 00:42:13,119
suffering

1287
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:16,139
consequences as a result of Covid like Overs

1288
00:42:16,139 --> 00:42:18,635
stock supply chain issues. So Yep. We're not

1289
00:42:18,635 --> 00:42:20,074
kinda not out the woods yet on that.

1290
00:42:20,315 --> 00:42:22,315
So not not totally. No So... But we'll

1291
00:42:22,315 --> 00:42:24,489
get there. We'll forget there. Yeah. And it's

1292
00:42:24,489 --> 00:42:26,163
cool that you're getting... The voice feels like

1293
00:42:26,163 --> 00:42:28,077
it's getting heard more and Joshua started or

1294
00:42:28,077 --> 00:42:29,831
like a rider group to connect things up,

1295
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:31,984
I think as we're... So exactly. Yeah. It's

1296
00:42:31,984 --> 00:42:32,781
been super positive.

1297
00:42:33,434 --> 00:42:35,672
Right. Let's talk about the racing. Mh. We

1298
00:42:35,672 --> 00:42:38,309
kicked off in finale, which, from what it

1299
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:41,525
here was relatively challenging, like, we're back to

1300
00:42:42,157 --> 00:42:44,223
pushing the the liaison times a little bit.

1301
00:42:44,462 --> 00:42:45,733
Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

1302
00:42:46,607 --> 00:42:47,107
I

1303
00:42:47,799 --> 00:42:49,173
I'm a fan of that because

1304
00:42:49,644 --> 00:42:51,405
I I trained really hard and I like

1305
00:42:51,405 --> 00:42:52,625
doing big days. And

1306
00:42:53,565 --> 00:42:54,684
I thought that race was...

1307
00:42:55,644 --> 00:42:57,164
It was borderline, but it was good.

1308
00:42:57,896 --> 00:42:59,170
Do you think borderline is where it should

1309
00:42:59,170 --> 00:43:01,102
be? Yeah. I think that

1310
00:43:02,193 --> 00:43:03,410
we've had it

1311
00:43:04,183 --> 00:43:06,264
easy Like, I don't wanna finish a race

1312
00:43:06,264 --> 00:43:07,614
and feel like it was easy. Yeah. Like,

1313
00:43:07,693 --> 00:43:08,805
that is to me not a woke cup.

1314
00:43:08,964 --> 00:43:10,950
Yeah. Otherwise, what you're train for Like, Yeah.

1315
00:43:11,188 --> 00:43:12,776
And like, it's it's the... It should be

1316
00:43:12,776 --> 00:43:14,420
the hottest race in the world. Yeah. That's

1317
00:43:14,619 --> 00:43:15,995
that's what it should be and

1318
00:43:17,328 --> 00:43:19,023
I I think that

1319
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:21,869
I I enjoy suffering with everybody. You know?

1320
00:43:22,347 --> 00:43:23,963
I I wish that

1321
00:43:27,630 --> 00:43:29,309
Like I think we need... I still... I

1322
00:43:29,309 --> 00:43:31,466
still think we need like, slightly longer transfers

1323
00:43:31,466 --> 00:43:32,425
because it allows like,

1324
00:43:33,557 --> 00:43:35,232
The data doesn't need to be fast. It

1325
00:43:35,232 --> 00:43:36,747
just needs to be big. Yeah. So...

1326
00:43:37,863 --> 00:43:38,602
And then

1327
00:43:38,980 --> 00:43:41,132
I think that, you know, we've had some,

1328
00:43:41,292 --> 00:43:43,217
like, Poland was pretty much perfect. Like, we

1329
00:43:43,217 --> 00:43:44,490
had just enough time for everything, but it

1330
00:43:44,490 --> 00:43:46,080
was a big day. Yeah. Finale was a

1331
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:46,557
bit tight.

1332
00:43:48,466 --> 00:43:48,966
And

1333
00:43:50,136 --> 00:43:51,090
what do did we just have Come blue?

1334
00:43:52,698 --> 00:43:55,013
I had 1 pet transfer. Yeah. Better than

1335
00:43:55,013 --> 00:43:56,369
that, it was it was good and, like,

1336
00:43:56,769 --> 00:43:58,365
yeah, you're just there and you're struggling your

1337
00:43:58,365 --> 00:44:00,201
sweating. No one's talking to the transfers and

1338
00:44:00,201 --> 00:44:02,451
you just just struggling through together. So I

1339
00:44:02,530 --> 00:44:03,887
I think it's... I think I think it's

1340
00:44:03,887 --> 00:44:05,563
good. And I think it's it's good when

1341
00:44:05,563 --> 00:44:07,398
we get to lots of descending and lots

1342
00:44:07,398 --> 00:44:08,616
of good tracks. So

1343
00:44:08,929 --> 00:44:11,152
Yeah. I enjoyed it Finale was was super

1344
00:44:11,152 --> 00:44:13,374
tough, but you have the sense of, like,

1345
00:44:13,692 --> 00:44:15,359
pride that you you got through it and

1346
00:44:15,359 --> 00:44:18,003
and everyone's like, honestly everyone's like stoked at

1347
00:44:18,003 --> 00:44:19,681
the finish and first for some people, like,

1348
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,518
it's really hard and I I think it

1349
00:44:21,518 --> 00:44:23,276
brings up the question of, you know,

1350
00:44:25,129 --> 00:44:27,147
And this is gonna, like, it stir up

1351
00:44:27,685 --> 00:44:30,342
controversy, but like, different category

1352
00:44:30,801 --> 00:44:31,760
transfer times basically.

1353
00:44:32,493 --> 00:44:34,807
Okay. Interesting that, you know, you would think

1354
00:44:34,807 --> 00:44:36,323
that junior shouldn't have to do the same

1355
00:44:36,323 --> 00:44:37,919
times as we do. Like, that's kind of

1356
00:44:37,919 --> 00:44:39,675
ridiculous. Yeah. When you talk about it, like,

1357
00:44:39,929 --> 00:44:41,923
make sense physically, you should be more developed.

1358
00:44:42,083 --> 00:44:43,678
And you look at extras country, and they

1359
00:44:43,678 --> 00:44:45,273
have different lap times. And by not lap

1360
00:44:45,273 --> 00:44:47,028
times, but different amount of laps. So Yeah.

1361
00:44:47,347 --> 00:44:49,022
I think that's just fair. It's just fair

1362
00:44:49,022 --> 00:44:49,522
to

1363
00:44:50,394 --> 00:44:52,971
they have a stepping stone into leap. So

1364
00:44:53,110 --> 00:44:55,507
Yeah. I think in in downhill, it's impressive

1365
00:44:55,507 --> 00:44:57,106
that everyone has, like the same track and

1366
00:44:57,106 --> 00:44:57,745
does the same thing.

1367
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:01,519
But you could argue that junior do less

1368
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:04,559
racing because they do. Yes. Because elites now

1369
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:06,880
have Q semi and finals and gina just

1370
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,206
have qualities in finals. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. That's

1371
00:45:09,206 --> 00:45:11,675
right. Yeah. Sure. 1 last? Yeah. That would

1372
00:45:11,675 --> 00:45:13,428
make a lot sense to sixth place.

1373
00:45:14,479 --> 00:45:16,077
Again, it's that opener of the season where

1374
00:45:16,077 --> 00:45:18,714
you've got your first opportunity to compare. Yeah.

1375
00:45:19,034 --> 00:45:20,712
What did that comparison look like when you

1376
00:45:20,712 --> 00:45:22,470
when you walked away and started thinking about

1377
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:24,878
it? Yeah. Again, it was just a slight

1378
00:45:24,878 --> 00:45:26,713
miss. I had 1 crash.

1379
00:45:27,830 --> 00:45:29,048
I'm 1 of the stages

1380
00:45:29,585 --> 00:45:31,353
just finale is an interesting 1 because... And

1381
00:45:31,353 --> 00:45:33,902
those are super super physical stages. So you're

1382
00:45:33,902 --> 00:45:35,655
pedal all the time and it's really fast

1383
00:45:35,655 --> 00:45:37,646
and this was like a tight track, and

1384
00:45:37,726 --> 00:45:39,080
I was just pedal and clip my foot

1385
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,630
on stump and just went flying

1386
00:45:41,561 --> 00:45:43,152
pretty huge crash. Bars are twisted it, and

1387
00:45:43,231 --> 00:45:44,981
I rode, like, the 2 minutes of the

1388
00:45:44,981 --> 00:45:46,811
stage left of twisted bars. So I lost

1389
00:45:46,811 --> 00:45:48,735
a ton of time. So without that,

1390
00:45:49,451 --> 00:45:50,804
again, it's like a what f and I

1391
00:45:50,804 --> 00:45:52,395
hate, like, saying that. But in my in

1392
00:45:52,395 --> 00:45:53,509
my own head, like, I don't need to...

1393
00:45:53,828 --> 00:45:54,942
I don't shout this to people bend in

1394
00:45:54,942 --> 00:45:56,056
my head, like, okay. Would have been on

1395
00:45:56,056 --> 00:45:57,902
the podium. Yeah. Without this crash. So I

1396
00:45:57,902 --> 00:45:59,737
know that's a great start. That's where I

1397
00:45:59,737 --> 00:46:01,332
wanna be. Yeah. I'm happy with that.

1398
00:46:02,289 --> 00:46:03,805
So, yeah, I was I was happy with

1399
00:46:03,805 --> 00:46:04,921
the speed. I really happy with the fitness.

1400
00:46:05,081 --> 00:46:06,916
Like, there was a super physical stage. It

1401
00:46:06,916 --> 00:46:07,210
was

1402
00:46:07,964 --> 00:46:09,076
I don't know how long It was, but

1403
00:46:09,155 --> 00:46:10,584
I was only, like, 4 seconds behind hunt.

1404
00:46:10,902 --> 00:46:12,728
Who's like, the biggest machines. So I was

1405
00:46:12,728 --> 00:46:14,396
like, damn I'm okay. Like, off season and

1406
00:46:14,396 --> 00:46:15,944
training went super I was

1407
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,630
confident and then the bikes get stolen. Then

1408
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:20,463
the bike gets stolen on for that. Big.

1409
00:46:20,702 --> 00:46:21,361
That's a

1410
00:46:21,817 --> 00:46:23,330
that's a big win of ourselves for sure.

1411
00:46:23,728 --> 00:46:24,659
Yeah. That was been

1412
00:46:25,257 --> 00:46:27,172
out of a pool to get everything together.

1413
00:46:27,411 --> 00:46:29,506
Yeah. And that just shows, like, how

1414
00:46:30,203 --> 00:46:32,516
great our team is like, they... It was

1415
00:46:32,516 --> 00:46:34,430
stressful for for me and Jack, totally.

1416
00:46:35,083 --> 00:46:36,840
But it was extremely stressful for the team

1417
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,155
and but they did a really good job

1418
00:46:39,155 --> 00:46:40,831
at shielding us from from that. You know,

1419
00:46:40,991 --> 00:46:43,465
Like, we knew it's really unfortunate, but, like,

1420
00:46:44,278 --> 00:46:45,874
We knew We have the spare parts. We

1421
00:46:45,874 --> 00:46:47,230
have the spare frames. We just have to

1422
00:46:47,230 --> 00:46:48,745
get them. A lot of it was on

1423
00:46:48,745 --> 00:46:50,181
the truck because we travel with spare stuff.

1424
00:46:50,420 --> 00:46:52,255
Yeah. We needed some stuff from knees and

1425
00:46:52,255 --> 00:46:53,690
so there was a good effort from everybody

1426
00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:55,298
to, like, get some stuff from knees, which

1427
00:46:55,298 --> 00:46:56,571
is why I like the team had quotas

1428
00:46:56,571 --> 00:46:57,071
and

1429
00:46:58,243 --> 00:47:00,630
and Adam just sold it through 2 bike

1430
00:47:00,630 --> 00:47:02,382
builds through the night and god us ready

1431
00:47:02,382 --> 00:47:03,757
for practice, and that was

1432
00:47:04,068 --> 00:47:05,815
super impressive. Yeah. So what how did you

1433
00:47:05,815 --> 00:47:07,403
feel coming into the race? Had you been

1434
00:47:07,403 --> 00:47:09,150
able to work through in practice and get

1435
00:47:09,150 --> 00:47:09,968
things feeling

1436
00:47:10,501 --> 00:47:11,001
some

1437
00:47:11,692 --> 00:47:14,093
because, like, the first stage, like, the track

1438
00:47:14,093 --> 00:47:16,248
was so sick, and I was like, the

1439
00:47:16,248 --> 00:47:17,605
butt I was just struggling at the bike.

1440
00:47:17,764 --> 00:47:19,919
I just... I I thought everything was set

1441
00:47:19,919 --> 00:47:21,456
up the same way, but we

1442
00:47:22,088 --> 00:47:23,145
we missed on

1443
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,349
bar I believe in the end, and I

1444
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:26,860
just was like, struggling with the front end,

1445
00:47:26,940 --> 00:47:27,497
and I was like,

1446
00:47:29,264 --> 00:47:30,782
track so sick, but I just can't like,

1447
00:47:31,181 --> 00:47:33,578
I'm not, like, sc everything in it. So

1448
00:47:33,738 --> 00:47:35,516
I was just chasing at that race and

1449
00:47:35,975 --> 00:47:37,582
that was I was unfortunate because it was

1450
00:47:37,582 --> 00:47:39,410
a was a good track And Yeah. But

1451
00:47:39,490 --> 00:47:41,954
I finished fifth, and Jack finished vic, I

1452
00:47:41,954 --> 00:47:44,911
think. Yeah. So, like, super good results. Considering

1453
00:47:44,911 --> 00:47:46,740
everything. So Let's go be a good confidence

1454
00:47:46,740 --> 00:47:48,331
piece to get Again. I and, again, I

1455
00:47:48,331 --> 00:47:50,717
crash on the domino's. Out, I've 1 grass

1456
00:47:50,717 --> 00:47:51,217
corner

1457
00:47:51,528 --> 00:47:53,121
crash leading into an uphill lot a ton

1458
00:47:53,121 --> 00:47:54,315
of times. So again, I'm like,

1459
00:47:55,112 --> 00:47:57,262
yes, start making these down the states.

1460
00:47:58,297 --> 00:48:00,462
Yeah. But, yeah, you must have felt good

1461
00:48:00,462 --> 00:48:02,689
after that this still. Right? Like, yes you

1462
00:48:02,689 --> 00:48:04,995
now like, whole blank sheet of paper. Yeah.

1463
00:48:05,234 --> 00:48:06,824
Build a bike, puzzle through it and get

1464
00:48:06,824 --> 00:48:08,550
a fifth place. It's it's

1465
00:48:08,908 --> 00:48:10,422
Yes. I feel good about the fifth, but

1466
00:48:10,422 --> 00:48:11,878
it's... You feel

1467
00:48:14,007 --> 00:48:16,974
not disappointed but frustrated that that happened. Yeah

1468
00:48:17,054 --> 00:48:18,494
What what would have happened if I had

1469
00:48:18,494 --> 00:48:20,015
my bike, You know? Like, okay. Could've it

1470
00:48:20,015 --> 00:48:22,094
done really well. Yeah. Who knows? Hard to

1471
00:48:22,094 --> 00:48:24,015
move past some of that stuff sometimes. Yeah,

1472
00:48:24,094 --> 00:48:26,190
like, forget about it and yeah. Deal with

1473
00:48:26,190 --> 00:48:26,589
what you've got.

1474
00:48:27,230 --> 00:48:28,750
Did you have time to kind of reboot

1475
00:48:28,750 --> 00:48:30,989
them before Lee gang and get. Like said

1476
00:48:31,389 --> 00:48:32,589
Fab kim, we did a we did a

1477
00:48:32,589 --> 00:48:33,880
day in for alley and and had a

1478
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,947
really constructive day and and got the bikes

1479
00:48:35,947 --> 00:48:37,458
right back to kinda where they were, and

1480
00:48:37,617 --> 00:48:39,128
I would say even better. Like, k. I

1481
00:48:39,128 --> 00:48:41,514
made some changes to bar and and suspension

1482
00:48:41,514 --> 00:48:42,967
set up, and I was like, oh, I

1483
00:48:43,198 --> 00:48:44,391
first time I'm in a long time. I

1484
00:48:44,391 --> 00:48:46,300
felt like, I can I I can, like,

1485
00:48:46,618 --> 00:48:48,288
attack? I'm, yeah able to be on my

1486
00:48:48,288 --> 00:48:49,878
bike and really push, and I'm just like,

1487
00:48:49,958 --> 00:48:50,912
man. I'm actually just like,

1488
00:48:51,563 --> 00:48:53,391
able to, like, just go after it and

1489
00:48:53,391 --> 00:48:55,220
so Was super stoked. Yeah. Are you going

1490
00:48:55,220 --> 00:48:57,208
up on bar height? Yeah. And are you

1491
00:48:57,208 --> 00:48:59,275
going up with the bar up with spaces

1492
00:48:59,275 --> 00:49:01,436
because it's kinda different. Right? Yeah. I'm already

1493
00:49:01,436 --> 00:49:03,266
at a 40000000 bar, so I'm okay. I

1494
00:49:03,266 --> 00:49:05,039
can't. I have not going back zach

1495
00:49:05,493 --> 00:49:05,971
food that.

1496
00:49:06,686 --> 00:49:06,846
Yeah.

1497
00:49:07,561 --> 00:49:09,963
I love watching that. It's it just Yeah.

1498
00:49:10,042 --> 00:49:11,630
It's pretty fun. It's unique. Like the way

1499
00:49:11,630 --> 00:49:13,933
he's riding that bike seems totally different to

1500
00:49:13,933 --> 00:49:15,838
everyone else, but he's making it work. He's

1501
00:49:15,838 --> 00:49:17,427
putting down times So you can argue no.

1502
00:49:17,585 --> 00:49:20,150
You can't. Incredible stuff Yeah. What... So what...

1503
00:49:20,869 --> 00:49:22,869
How is that bar height manifesting in what

1504
00:49:22,869 --> 00:49:23,750
you feel when you're ride in?

1505
00:49:24,789 --> 00:49:27,130
Well, yeah. I guess, for me, I've always

1506
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:30,234
I've always struggled with corner speed.

1507
00:49:30,951 --> 00:49:33,421
And so I've I've ran a low boss

1508
00:49:33,421 --> 00:49:34,776
it up in the past to, like, help

1509
00:49:34,776 --> 00:49:36,210
get my weight forward and get trapped on

1510
00:49:36,210 --> 00:49:37,086
the front wheel. Yeah.

1511
00:49:37,818 --> 00:49:38,953
But now with

1512
00:49:39,882 --> 00:49:41,153
suspension set up with rocks shocks, we have,

1513
00:49:41,233 --> 00:49:44,012
like, a really dialed fork, and I feel

1514
00:49:44,012 --> 00:49:45,601
like I can run a higher bar because

1515
00:49:45,601 --> 00:49:47,761
my front it is so sup Yeah. And

1516
00:49:47,761 --> 00:49:48,658
supportive that

1517
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:50,859
I don't have to be as, like, over

1518
00:49:50,859 --> 00:49:52,368
the front end to get that front attractions.

1519
00:49:52,686 --> 00:49:54,592
Yeah. Yeah. I it's a... It's been a

1520
00:49:54,592 --> 00:49:55,410
really good

1521
00:49:56,198 --> 00:49:58,273
combination of things? Yeah. And be more, like,

1522
00:49:58,752 --> 00:50:01,147
upright on the bike? Do you... Has that

1523
00:50:01,147 --> 00:50:03,062
impacted like, how are you're looking down the

1524
00:50:03,062 --> 00:50:04,121
track? Because you're not

1525
00:50:04,514 --> 00:50:05,873
you know, has to create neck up to

1526
00:50:05,873 --> 00:50:07,791
get that visibility so much from like a

1527
00:50:07,791 --> 00:50:09,709
low front end does it change that side

1528
00:50:09,709 --> 00:50:11,867
of things Or not not that I've thought

1529
00:50:11,947 --> 00:50:13,885
I've to be honest. I don't think

1530
00:50:14,919 --> 00:50:16,836
Yeah. That's not something that I've I've really

1531
00:50:16,836 --> 00:50:18,674
thought about. It's more... I've always been a

1532
00:50:18,674 --> 00:50:20,752
pretty, like, upright rider, and I think no

1533
00:50:20,752 --> 00:50:21,871
matter Bar it, But I think that was

1534
00:50:21,871 --> 00:50:24,684
a problem is with low bars, my arms

1535
00:50:24,684 --> 00:50:26,525
straighter. So I didn't have the ability to,

1536
00:50:26,605 --> 00:50:26,765
like,

1537
00:50:27,405 --> 00:50:29,565
bend input. Okay. And so now with my

1538
00:50:29,565 --> 00:50:31,405
bar higher. I'm more band and I have,

1539
00:50:31,485 --> 00:50:31,565
like,

1540
00:50:32,298 --> 00:50:35,751
more positive and negative movement. Yeah. Industrial natural

1541
00:50:35,810 --> 00:50:38,045
suspensions. Yeah. Yeah. But but I never... I

1542
00:50:38,045 --> 00:50:39,482
can never get away with that before because

1543
00:50:39,482 --> 00:50:39,982
my

1544
00:50:40,773 --> 00:50:43,246
4 was low and I just wasn't able

1545
00:50:43,246 --> 00:50:45,240
to like, have that fork support, But now,

1546
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:46,755
like, Ro have been a huge help this

1547
00:50:46,755 --> 00:50:48,510
year and Yeah. And and last year as

1548
00:50:48,510 --> 00:50:50,400
well. And we've got, like, a lot of

1549
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:52,435
good things. Yeah things happening. Have you played

1550
00:50:52,435 --> 00:50:54,191
around with the yeah electronic stuff at all

1551
00:50:54,191 --> 00:50:55,250
like, the flight attendant

1552
00:50:55,708 --> 00:50:57,623
currently doesn't fit on my bike. So okay.

1553
00:50:57,943 --> 00:50:59,220
Not been able to. But I... They've sent

1554
00:50:59,220 --> 00:51:00,911
me a from a X bike to get

1555
00:51:00,911 --> 00:51:02,906
prepared for it, and Yeah. Right. It's so

1556
00:51:02,906 --> 00:51:05,939
sick. Yeah. I I can't wait. You... It's

1557
00:51:05,939 --> 00:51:07,670
gonna make surely, like, if it's

1558
00:51:08,269 --> 00:51:09,787
if it's relevant to dan, it's gonna be

1559
00:51:09,787 --> 00:51:11,465
even more relevant to endure would have thought.

1560
00:51:11,944 --> 00:51:13,622
Interestingly, like, not,

1561
00:51:14,342 --> 00:51:16,155
I would say it's almost more relevant for

1562
00:51:16,274 --> 00:51:17,867
downhill because okay. They have, like,

1563
00:51:18,743 --> 00:51:20,813
they're doing a 4 minute track. And if

1564
00:51:20,813 --> 00:51:23,122
they have 30... Not even 30 seconds, but

1565
00:51:23,122 --> 00:51:24,260
less than that of

1566
00:51:25,049 --> 00:51:27,843
whatever flow track or anything. Like, the pumping

1567
00:51:27,843 --> 00:51:29,041
they can get out of that is huge.

1568
00:51:29,919 --> 00:51:30,877
And for us, like,

1569
00:51:31,835 --> 00:51:34,411
I don't think that the benefits are as

1570
00:51:34,723 --> 00:51:35,836
I've done time and, like, when I had

1571
00:51:35,836 --> 00:51:37,665
the Fox system, Like, I did timing on

1572
00:51:37,665 --> 00:51:40,766
on sprints, and it wasn't a huge deal.

1573
00:51:41,085 --> 00:51:42,675
Okay. But I still... Yeah. I still think

1574
00:51:42,675 --> 00:51:44,400
it's super important, and I think that

1575
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:46,676
The thing is is I haven't I haven't

1576
00:51:46,676 --> 00:51:47,795
actually been able to use the Flight I

1577
00:51:47,795 --> 00:51:49,552
attendant on a bike. I had the Fox

1578
00:51:49,552 --> 00:51:50,372
system, but

1579
00:51:50,911 --> 00:51:52,923
on my x e bike I've like tried

1580
00:51:52,923 --> 00:51:55,640
to fool that thing, and it's just... It's

1581
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,797
crazy how good it is and on the.

1582
00:51:58,437 --> 00:51:59,715
Yeah. I I can't wait to have it

1583
00:51:59,715 --> 00:52:01,722
because I think it'll be locked out more

1584
00:52:01,722 --> 00:52:03,949
than I think it ever would be. Yeah.

1585
00:52:04,188 --> 00:52:06,494
And it could just provide, like, these little

1586
00:52:06,494 --> 00:52:07,131
tents everywhere.

1587
00:52:07,782 --> 00:52:09,448
Yeah. And... There's quite a few guys like,

1588
00:52:09,527 --> 00:52:10,741
doing well. I feel

1589
00:52:11,431 --> 00:52:12,780
what Rich is winning on 1.

1590
00:52:14,287 --> 00:52:16,527
Ru has had 1 in the. I don't

1591
00:52:16,527 --> 00:52:17,644
know if he's running it in Comm blue.

1592
00:52:18,043 --> 00:52:20,037
Jack's got 1. Jack Mo got. Yeah. Got

1593
00:52:20,037 --> 00:52:20,117
1.

1594
00:52:21,074 --> 00:52:22,510
And so those guys all did better than

1595
00:52:22,510 --> 00:52:24,344
me on the weekend So. Okay. Well, we'll

1596
00:52:24,344 --> 00:52:25,381
have to get you back on when you've

1597
00:52:25,381 --> 00:52:27,630
done that. Experiment of Jury, but I have

1598
00:52:27,630 --> 00:52:29,784
be interested to hear about. It's like, talk

1599
00:52:29,784 --> 00:52:30,661
of the town, I guess,

1600
00:52:31,380 --> 00:52:32,496
considering all the data. I don't understand. And

1601
00:52:32,577 --> 00:52:33,269
I I think

1602
00:52:33,786 --> 00:52:35,057
more to your point is that I think

1603
00:52:35,057 --> 00:52:36,884
it it makes way more sense on a

1604
00:52:36,884 --> 00:52:38,870
bike. Like, just for the average rider. Off

1605
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:40,061
for sure. It's gonna say that. And the

1606
00:52:40,061 --> 00:52:42,063
reason I love that fox system was same

1607
00:52:42,063 --> 00:52:43,336
with a shape shift. It was an... It

1608
00:52:43,336 --> 00:52:45,348
was an automatic shape shifter where

1609
00:52:46,041 --> 00:52:47,314
anytime I'm climbing and the things locked out.

1610
00:52:47,473 --> 00:52:48,746
Yeah. And you just you don't have think

1611
00:52:48,746 --> 00:52:50,655
about it, and you don't forget to unlock

1612
00:52:50,655 --> 00:52:52,262
it. Yeah. Yeah. I've got a lock, but

1613
00:52:52,341 --> 00:52:53,614
I never use it because I know I

1614
00:52:53,614 --> 00:52:55,841
get so. You're so scary. So Flight I

1615
00:52:55,841 --> 00:52:56,875
attendant it. Like I said, I had that

1616
00:52:56,875 --> 00:52:58,639
on the X u bike and I've tried...

1617
00:52:58,877 --> 00:53:01,101
Yeah. It thing just works. Like, it's it's

1618
00:53:01,101 --> 00:53:02,531
super smart. And they're only gonna get better.

1619
00:53:02,690 --> 00:53:04,914
Right? All the Ai and stuff cummins only

1620
00:53:04,914 --> 00:53:07,150
gonna improve things. So... Yeah. Yeah. Super interesting.

1621
00:53:07,387 --> 00:53:09,447
So, yeah, Leah Gang and Con then sixth

1622
00:53:09,447 --> 00:53:11,507
and tenth. Yeah. Talk us through the last

1623
00:53:11,507 --> 00:53:13,584
couple of rounds and where you're at. Yeah.

1624
00:53:13,824 --> 00:53:16,062
Liu gang was a frustrating 1. So I

1625
00:53:16,062 --> 00:53:18,539
felt like in Finale in Poland I was

1626
00:53:18,539 --> 00:53:19,758
riding fast, but

1627
00:53:20,217 --> 00:53:22,535
not as like, loose as I usually am.

1628
00:53:23,028 --> 00:53:25,893
And so my my process for lee again

1629
00:53:25,893 --> 00:53:26,529
was to crash,

1630
00:53:27,643 --> 00:53:29,234
loose, which is yeah.

1631
00:53:30,284 --> 00:53:31,962
Don't know. Maybe not the best process, but

1632
00:53:32,042 --> 00:53:33,320
I was like look, I just need to

1633
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,717
find my limit. Like, I I don't feel

1634
00:53:35,717 --> 00:53:36,616
like I'm writing

1635
00:53:37,409 --> 00:53:39,242
to the point where I'm crashing. Yeah. And

1636
00:53:39,242 --> 00:53:42,190
so I wanted to do that. And, unfortunately,

1637
00:53:42,430 --> 00:53:43,944
it got wet, which is not the race

1638
00:53:43,944 --> 00:53:46,769
that you wanna, like, have that mindset because

1639
00:53:47,781 --> 00:53:49,793
and it's... I mean, like, I should have,

1640
00:53:50,327 --> 00:53:52,100
like, leah gang from the year previous

1641
00:53:53,129 --> 00:53:55,286
Just... There's just no reward for attacking too

1642
00:53:55,286 --> 00:53:55,846
much on those tracks.

1643
00:53:56,965 --> 00:53:57,844
Because it's just so...

1644
00:53:59,842 --> 00:54:02,174
There's just no support anywhere. So crash a

1645
00:54:02,174 --> 00:54:02,813
much in that race.

1646
00:54:03,852 --> 00:54:06,009
And I was... What was I66.

1647
00:54:06,248 --> 00:54:06,968
Yeah 6. Yeah.

1648
00:54:08,246 --> 00:54:08,885
Not great.

1649
00:54:09,698 --> 00:54:11,928
But not bad. I had some some some

1650
00:54:11,928 --> 00:54:14,317
good moments and wanna stage finally. So that

1651
00:54:14,317 --> 00:54:15,671
that's was my first of the year. Yeah.

1652
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:17,344
Which I was really happy about.

1653
00:54:18,474 --> 00:54:19,744
And that was on, like, the last stage,

1654
00:54:19,903 --> 00:54:22,841
which yeah. Josh, it's funny. I I heard

1655
00:54:22,841 --> 00:54:23,000
in,

1656
00:54:24,111 --> 00:54:25,699
I think it was Richie post race from

1657
00:54:25,779 --> 00:54:26,097
Come.

1658
00:54:26,589 --> 00:54:27,948
Josh gave him a pep talk as well.

1659
00:54:28,427 --> 00:54:29,866
But Josh gave me a pep talk. And

1660
00:54:29,866 --> 00:54:31,144
was like stopping an idiot.

1661
00:54:31,864 --> 00:54:32,264
And

1662
00:54:32,743 --> 00:54:33,942
I stopped an idiot, and I won last

1663
00:54:33,942 --> 00:54:36,179
day You go. Like yeah just Easy words.

1664
00:54:37,708 --> 00:54:38,983
You need him on every stage with you,

1665
00:54:39,142 --> 00:54:41,133
mate. I I've tried now and comp. I

1666
00:54:41,133 --> 00:54:42,806
was like, I was talking... You like... It's

1667
00:54:42,806 --> 00:54:43,841
funny because you're at the bottom of the

1668
00:54:43,841 --> 00:54:45,844
stage now interviewing us and he'll did the

1669
00:54:45,844 --> 00:54:46,955
of interview and as soon we stopped. And

1670
00:54:46,955 --> 00:54:49,811
like, okay. Like, let's that's jazz to the

1671
00:54:49,811 --> 00:54:52,928
d debrief. Yeah. But, no. Their gang was

1672
00:54:53,633 --> 00:54:54,826
Yeah. Frustrating because,

1673
00:54:56,099 --> 00:54:58,007
I didn't think I actually had the best

1674
00:54:58,007 --> 00:55:00,234
bite setup for that 1. K. I'd made

1675
00:55:00,234 --> 00:55:00,972
the changes

1676
00:55:02,714 --> 00:55:04,224
that I had made with fab, but I

1677
00:55:04,224 --> 00:55:06,768
actually went back because I thought it was

1678
00:55:06,768 --> 00:55:09,471
super, like, Rudy and and wet that I

1679
00:55:09,471 --> 00:55:11,553
wanted to really sup set up. Okay. But

1680
00:55:11,713 --> 00:55:13,147
I think I just had gotten used to

1681
00:55:13,147 --> 00:55:14,820
this tip setup, and so Should stuck with

1682
00:55:14,820 --> 00:55:16,413
it. But... Yeah. I mean, that... I think

1683
00:55:16,413 --> 00:55:19,239
it's just learning, like, you know? Yeah. Just

1684
00:55:19,456 --> 00:55:21,130
dream to Just to process. And then,

1685
00:55:22,166 --> 00:55:23,463
yeah. I went home and

1686
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:26,471
there's been this, like, heavy sickness going through.

1687
00:55:27,601 --> 00:55:29,353
Everyone. And so I had to go home

1688
00:55:29,353 --> 00:55:31,026
and that was probably the best thing about

1689
00:55:31,026 --> 00:55:32,460
being home as I just did, like, pretty

1690
00:55:32,460 --> 00:55:33,973
much nothing for weekend. And That was a

1691
00:55:33,973 --> 00:55:35,407
that was a big block. That was 7

1692
00:55:35,407 --> 00:55:37,258
weeks 7 weeks in Europe, not at home,

1693
00:55:37,498 --> 00:55:40,214
traveling out of a suitcase, not normal routine

1694
00:55:40,214 --> 00:55:41,892
and and for me, that really like, gets

1695
00:55:41,892 --> 00:55:43,170
to me and I was like,

1696
00:55:43,902 --> 00:55:46,603
just cooked. And so went home and by

1697
00:55:46,603 --> 00:55:47,397
a day 8,

1698
00:55:48,032 --> 00:55:50,336
I felt good. And then I flew flew

1699
00:55:50,336 --> 00:55:51,130
back over europe.

1700
00:55:52,083 --> 00:55:54,006
That's brew on it. Yeah. It's tough like,

1701
00:55:54,086 --> 00:55:55,281
you're you're at home and you have all

1702
00:55:55,281 --> 00:55:56,476
your friends and you wanna hang out, but

1703
00:55:56,476 --> 00:55:58,786
you're just like, I I can't. I'm just,

1704
00:55:58,945 --> 00:56:01,507
like, no motivation. Just sitting around. You go

1705
00:56:01,507 --> 00:56:03,574
for an needs to spin, you just... Just

1706
00:56:03,574 --> 00:56:05,403
trying to recover. You feel like you have

1707
00:56:05,403 --> 00:56:07,232
you have no gas or anything. And your

1708
00:56:07,232 --> 00:56:09,061
sharpness is gonna go, I guess. Like you

1709
00:56:09,061 --> 00:56:11,787
can't, but that the explosive power side of

1710
00:56:11,787 --> 00:56:14,264
things goes quicker than anything else. Probably. Yeah.

1711
00:56:15,063 --> 00:56:17,835
I think that I've always been really good

1712
00:56:17,954 --> 00:56:19,147
hopping on the bike and doing well. Like,

1713
00:56:19,306 --> 00:56:21,135
okay. I know that for my injury years,

1714
00:56:21,374 --> 00:56:21,534
like,

1715
00:56:22,409 --> 00:56:24,476
I'll... Every time, like, I would break my

1716
00:56:24,476 --> 00:56:27,045
hand if C, anything I'd be doc docs

1717
00:56:27,045 --> 00:56:29,041
at 6 weeks at 5 weeks, I was

1718
00:56:29,041 --> 00:56:30,877
on a bike fond Europe and, like, 6

1719
00:56:30,877 --> 00:56:32,394
weeks was the race weekend, and I would

1720
00:56:32,394 --> 00:56:33,671
be back in for a top 10 every

1721
00:56:33,671 --> 00:56:35,681
time. Okay. I had, like faith that I

1722
00:56:35,681 --> 00:56:36,717
could just hop on a bike, and I

1723
00:56:36,717 --> 00:56:38,312
knew the changes I wanted to make, and

1724
00:56:38,392 --> 00:56:40,146
I spent 1 day at home doing a

1725
00:56:40,146 --> 00:56:41,205
bunch of kind of

1726
00:56:42,061 --> 00:56:43,336
testing and changes to, like,

1727
00:56:44,386 --> 00:56:45,815
from lee gang, This is what I want

1728
00:56:45,815 --> 00:56:47,322
the bike to to do and I did,

1729
00:56:47,402 --> 00:56:48,831
and I felt like, okay. That's it. I

1730
00:56:48,831 --> 00:56:49,942
was all need to do, Not change too

1731
00:56:49,942 --> 00:56:52,660
much. Yeah. And, yeah, I felt, like, amazing

1732
00:56:52,660 --> 00:56:54,173
on the bike and and comp. Like, first

1733
00:56:54,173 --> 00:56:55,869
day we rode winter

1734
00:56:56,245 --> 00:56:57,064
resort called.

1735
00:56:57,599 --> 00:56:59,911
Oh, nice. That's good that. Lame was lame

1736
00:56:59,911 --> 00:57:01,757
was all day? Yeah. Yeah Yeah. So that

1737
00:57:01,757 --> 00:57:02,076
was

1738
00:57:02,712 --> 00:57:03,984
that was super sweet. And I felt really

1739
00:57:03,984 --> 00:57:06,052
good. And I was, okay. Like, yeah. Bike

1740
00:57:06,052 --> 00:57:08,302
feels amazing, and the tracks were

1741
00:57:08,677 --> 00:57:09,234
on wheel.

1742
00:57:10,124 --> 00:57:12,590
Had a great time in practice. 1 pretty

1743
00:57:12,590 --> 00:57:13,306
heavy crash,

1744
00:57:16,010 --> 00:57:16,749
just a

1745
00:57:17,218 --> 00:57:18,114
weird taping

1746
00:57:18,566 --> 00:57:19,201
taping job,

1747
00:57:19,835 --> 00:57:22,398
and it went down super hard actually and

1748
00:57:22,453 --> 00:57:24,277
somehow didn't break mass up, which is super

1749
00:57:24,277 --> 00:57:25,095
nice, but

1750
00:57:25,641 --> 00:57:27,570
besides that, Had a really fun practice and

1751
00:57:27,786 --> 00:57:29,771
going into the race. Just like okay, This

1752
00:57:29,771 --> 00:57:31,200
time the process is, I know I can,

1753
00:57:31,279 --> 00:57:32,152
like, I know I go to the limit.

1754
00:57:32,311 --> 00:57:34,079
I know I can crash. So that's just

1755
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:35,277
rain it 1 step back from that.

1756
00:57:36,476 --> 00:57:38,154
And I was doing a good job, but

1757
00:57:38,154 --> 00:57:41,271
just man, it's the the focus you need

1758
00:57:41,271 --> 00:57:43,362
is is a hundred percent of the time,

1759
00:57:43,521 --> 00:57:46,554
and I made 1 slight mistake, ran off

1760
00:57:46,554 --> 00:57:47,852
track. Unfortunately,

1761
00:57:48,869 --> 00:57:50,167
like, we have tape

1762
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:53,214
for, like, the majority of track. And,

1763
00:57:53,592 --> 00:57:55,348
like, you can't cut trees. You can't do

1764
00:57:55,348 --> 00:57:57,742
this thing, but this was like, whatever swoop

1765
00:57:57,742 --> 00:57:58,514
corners and

1766
00:57:58,953 --> 00:58:00,630
you're not gaining anything by like, cutting through

1767
00:58:00,630 --> 00:58:03,024
the grass, but I, like, ran off track

1768
00:58:03,024 --> 00:58:05,258
and, like, hit this 1 bush that just

1769
00:58:05,258 --> 00:58:06,535
caught me weird and just sent me flying.

1770
00:58:07,188 --> 00:58:08,463
Otherwise, I could have, like, ridden through it.

1771
00:58:09,099 --> 00:58:10,533
So I just got caught by this bush

1772
00:58:10,533 --> 00:58:12,126
sided, like, fly through the air,

1773
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:15,573
big crack got my bike and

1774
00:58:16,045 --> 00:58:17,565
I saw my ball on the ground, and

1775
00:58:17,565 --> 00:58:19,005
it was, like, split second, like, I don't

1776
00:58:19,005 --> 00:58:20,204
have time to, like, grab a bottle put

1777
00:58:20,204 --> 00:58:21,324
in my case. I just like, went.

1778
00:58:22,684 --> 00:58:24,445
And so Lost of time in that crash.

1779
00:58:25,019 --> 00:58:26,612
Was 50 seventh from that stage which is

1780
00:58:26,612 --> 00:58:28,843
more crazy. How... I was like, 08:18 seconds

1781
00:58:28,843 --> 00:58:30,676
back and 50 seventh. Like, man that's tight.

1782
00:58:30,835 --> 00:58:32,921
Isn't wild. Yeah. Yeah. And then... But, yeah,

1783
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,194
that was a tight transfer after that and

1784
00:58:34,194 --> 00:58:35,626
I had no water, and so I, like,

1785
00:58:36,581 --> 00:58:39,048
got pretty cooked, but able to come back

1786
00:58:39,048 --> 00:58:40,401
for... I think a... Fifth there's was 6

1787
00:58:40,401 --> 00:58:42,323
on the next age. U. So rat well.

1788
00:58:42,481 --> 00:58:44,384
And again, like, some positives from that race

1789
00:58:44,384 --> 00:58:46,683
and I knew had I, like, I stuck

1790
00:58:46,683 --> 00:58:48,824
to my plan, but had A I not

1791
00:58:48,824 --> 00:58:50,744
crashed with my plan. I would have been,

1792
00:58:50,982 --> 00:58:52,411
I think, top 5. So... Yeah. That's why

1793
00:58:52,490 --> 00:58:53,999
I wanted to be just, like, riding well

1794
00:58:53,999 --> 00:58:56,778
having fun and being top 5 and then

1795
00:58:56,778 --> 00:58:58,128
and then building from there. And this is

1796
00:58:58,128 --> 00:58:59,734
this is the the the struggle I in

1797
00:58:59,734 --> 00:59:00,632
currently is,

1798
00:59:01,246 --> 00:59:04,110
you know, Richie had an amazing season, and

1799
00:59:04,110 --> 00:59:05,224
he's just been able to build bill build.

1800
00:59:05,384 --> 00:59:06,122
And I've

1801
00:59:06,432 --> 00:59:08,812
had finale had the stolen bikes, trying to

1802
00:59:08,812 --> 00:59:11,826
claw back at, Poland, and then live gang

1803
00:59:11,826 --> 00:59:13,333
mistake, then had to go and then went

1804
00:59:13,333 --> 00:59:14,126
home come back.

1805
00:59:14,699 --> 00:59:16,936
Finally feel good calm blue. No now. I'm

1806
00:59:16,936 --> 00:59:18,295
certain to build. You know? It's like... The...

1807
00:59:18,454 --> 00:59:19,812
And then other guys, and there's so many

1808
00:59:19,812 --> 00:59:21,251
guys that are, like, on it this year

1809
00:59:21,251 --> 00:59:22,941
that If you just get on this build,

1810
00:59:23,101 --> 00:59:24,457
like you saw Charlie Murray. He's on a

1811
00:59:24,457 --> 00:59:25,892
build build build, big crash.

1812
00:59:26,849 --> 00:59:29,242
He's having to regroup. Yeah. Jack Morris had,

1813
00:59:29,322 --> 00:59:30,439
like, a ton of bad luck this year.

1814
00:59:30,598 --> 00:59:32,525
He's having a regroup. He's got the speed

1815
00:59:32,525 --> 00:59:33,741
it, but it's just like

1816
00:59:34,195 --> 00:59:36,046
things have to go right

1817
00:59:36,421 --> 00:59:38,806
so you can just, like just build and

1818
00:59:38,806 --> 00:59:41,324
it's it's so slight, like, the margins are

1819
00:59:41,524 --> 00:59:43,460
I saw, like a a stat that

1820
00:59:43,837 --> 00:59:45,911
Luke had the biggest stage winning margin and

1821
00:59:45,911 --> 00:59:48,782
it was like 1.2 percent. It's tiny. That's

1822
00:59:48,782 --> 00:59:50,936
nothing. Yeah. So tight these days. We're talking,

1823
00:59:51,015 --> 00:59:53,448
like, most of the stage like margins are

1824
00:59:53,667 --> 00:59:55,824
less than half a percent. And traditionally, the

1825
00:59:55,824 --> 00:59:56,384
battle, I guess,

1826
00:59:57,103 --> 00:59:58,861
up until more recently has been like you,

1827
00:59:59,101 --> 01:00:01,351
Jack Ritchie. Hugh and Jack have had some

1828
01:00:01,351 --> 01:00:03,268
pretty big changes and Richie she's been more

1829
01:00:03,268 --> 01:00:05,423
consistent on that yeti program. Yeah. Does that

1830
01:00:05,423 --> 01:00:07,020
make him, like, at least in the short

1831
01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:08,856
term, Anyway, kinda of harder to beat? Because

1832
01:00:08,856 --> 01:00:10,548
you guys are there's a bit of catch

1833
01:00:10,548 --> 01:00:12,546
up with all the Yeah. The the team

1834
01:00:12,546 --> 01:00:15,024
change. I would say that she is proven

1835
01:00:15,024 --> 01:00:15,843
himself to be

1836
01:00:16,702 --> 01:00:18,140
the best no matter what.

1837
01:00:19,514 --> 01:00:19,754
So,

1838
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:24,307
yeah, he's he's just always the guy to

1839
01:00:24,307 --> 01:00:25,985
be... He's he's super strong.

1840
01:00:26,799 --> 01:00:27,777
He hasn't changed

1841
01:00:28,153 --> 01:00:30,146
bikes. So he's always got a dial set

1842
01:00:30,146 --> 01:00:32,797
up. Mentally. He's obviously, like, extremely

1843
01:00:33,492 --> 01:00:33,811
strong.

1844
01:00:34,304 --> 01:00:35,575
He's got a good team around him. Like,

1845
01:00:35,655 --> 01:00:37,744
he's just he's just the man to be

1846
01:00:38,197 --> 01:00:40,264
pretty yeah. Pretty intimidating. But then, yeah, like,

1847
01:00:40,343 --> 01:00:41,296
you said, you've got Charlie,

1848
01:00:41,789 --> 01:00:42,608
Charlie alex

1849
01:00:42,985 --> 01:00:44,900
how sweet he's been... Yeah. I'm real this

1850
01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:46,893
year. I wonder, like, if he's just learning

1851
01:00:46,893 --> 01:00:48,887
a time from Or or why while he

1852
01:00:48,887 --> 01:00:50,562
needed time to do it, but like, super

1853
01:00:50,562 --> 01:00:52,405
impressed with him. Casper as well. Alright. It's

1854
01:00:52,405 --> 01:00:54,331
been coming back and sort of where we

1855
01:00:54,623 --> 01:00:55,971
expected to see him a few years ago

1856
01:00:55,971 --> 01:00:58,800
before the calendar has. Yeah. Yeah. So it's

1857
01:00:58,919 --> 01:01:00,987
It's getting tougher and tougher. Right? Oh yeah.

1858
01:01:01,146 --> 01:01:03,135
Like, the amount of people is... Yeah and

1859
01:01:03,135 --> 01:01:04,726
then just the speed, like I... Like I

1860
01:01:04,726 --> 01:01:05,464
said, it's

1861
01:01:06,014 --> 01:01:07,852
you... There's no there's no room to hang

1862
01:01:07,852 --> 01:01:09,850
about? Yeah. So what how do you deal

1863
01:01:09,850 --> 01:01:11,529
with that? What do you do? How do

1864
01:01:11,529 --> 01:01:13,447
you do anything different? Like... Well, that's, you

1865
01:01:13,447 --> 01:01:14,965
know, like I said in there in the

1866
01:01:14,965 --> 01:01:15,465
earlier

1867
01:01:16,098 --> 01:01:17,929
beginning of the podcast. It's... I'm in the

1868
01:01:17,929 --> 01:01:19,066
process of

1869
01:01:20,237 --> 01:01:21,989
figuring that out. Like, is it a big

1870
01:01:21,989 --> 01:01:24,632
change needed? Or am I just, like, 1

1871
01:01:24,632 --> 01:01:27,500
step away from everything clicking. And I believe

1872
01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:29,093
like, that's what I believe. I know my

1873
01:01:29,093 --> 01:01:31,027
fitness is there. I definitely lost some in

1874
01:01:31,578 --> 01:01:33,172
in the big Europe block and going home

1875
01:01:33,172 --> 01:01:34,607
and and kinda being a bit sick, So

1876
01:01:34,766 --> 01:01:36,998
I know I'm not like, I'm not peaking

1877
01:01:36,998 --> 01:01:38,991
and I'm not gaining, but I'm, you know,

1878
01:01:39,644 --> 01:01:41,724
I'm level. Yeah. Bike setup, I think is

1879
01:01:41,724 --> 01:01:42,764
good. Team is good.

1880
01:01:43,644 --> 01:01:44,864
So I think it's just

1881
01:01:45,405 --> 01:01:46,844
do the same thing. Bang my head against

1882
01:01:46,844 --> 01:01:49,737
the wall and over better result go. And

1883
01:01:49,737 --> 01:01:51,355
what have we got we've got 2,

1884
01:01:51,894 --> 01:01:54,051
1 more 2 more more... 2 more rounds

1885
01:01:54,051 --> 01:01:54,850
in a world wheelchair. Yep.

1886
01:01:55,585 --> 01:01:57,925
So the overall I would guess is not

1887
01:01:58,144 --> 01:01:59,505
wade wannabe be in the overall at the

1888
01:01:59,505 --> 01:02:01,505
moment. Yeah. I'm tied for fifth, I believe.

1889
01:02:01,744 --> 01:02:02,625
Does that like,

1890
01:02:03,197 --> 01:02:05,740
start to convince you to shift focus towards

1891
01:02:05,740 --> 01:02:07,964
the first enjoy world champs and really like

1892
01:02:07,964 --> 01:02:09,633
gold on 1 event or... I don't know.

1893
01:02:09,792 --> 01:02:12,271
It's not my style like I Okay. I

1894
01:02:12,271 --> 01:02:14,739
you wanna know win... Yeah. Exactly. I wanna

1895
01:02:14,739 --> 01:02:15,296
win everything.

1896
01:02:15,773 --> 01:02:16,967
So no. My...

1897
01:02:17,604 --> 01:02:19,514
That world champs will happen World champs happens.

1898
01:02:19,673 --> 01:02:20,867
The thing with Duo and, like,

1899
01:02:22,472 --> 01:02:24,061
this is the tough 1 because there's no

1900
01:02:24,061 --> 01:02:26,922
rules against it, but like, morally. I don't.

1901
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,307
Like, the hallmark rule of Maduro is that

1902
01:02:29,307 --> 01:02:30,910
we get 1 practice slap. And then you

1903
01:02:30,910 --> 01:02:32,442
race it. Yeah. That

1904
01:02:33,132 --> 01:02:34,560
gets a little bit difficult because we raise

1905
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,306
venues year after year. And so like downhill,

1906
01:02:36,543 --> 01:02:38,233
it's not as big of an advantage

1907
01:02:38,939 --> 01:02:40,375
because you get someone... So many practice slaps,

1908
01:02:40,454 --> 01:02:42,209
but Yeah. I understand, like,

1909
01:02:43,644 --> 01:02:45,558
people who don't have that. I mean, even

1910
01:02:45,558 --> 01:02:47,074
in down, they say, like, you know, Craig

1911
01:02:47,074 --> 01:02:48,324
raised Months end, 20

1912
01:02:48,761 --> 01:02:50,666
something times. Like, he must have an advantage.

1913
01:02:50,905 --> 01:02:52,413
Yeah. But for us, it's even a bigger

1914
01:02:52,413 --> 01:02:54,953
advantage if I've raced Ken as I might

1915
01:02:54,953 --> 01:02:56,955
know 3 or 4 times. So someone else

1916
01:02:56,955 --> 01:02:58,706
who's coming up. Late. They might feel like,

1917
01:02:59,024 --> 01:03:00,695
well, I'm gonna go to Ken early and

1918
01:03:00,695 --> 01:03:02,446
get some pre practice because, like, to get

1919
01:03:02,446 --> 01:03:03,082
myself on the level.

1920
01:03:03,734 --> 01:03:05,170
So it's really hard to fight against that.

1921
01:03:05,728 --> 01:03:06,286
But I just...

1922
01:03:07,084 --> 01:03:08,839
I don't want that to be where the

1923
01:03:08,839 --> 01:03:09,716
sport goes. Yeah.

1924
01:03:10,673 --> 01:03:11,572
You know, I

1925
01:03:11,949 --> 01:03:13,327
then it becomes just

1926
01:03:13,798 --> 01:03:14,695
factory team

1927
01:03:16,975 --> 01:03:19,119
style thing where... Who's who's... What factory team

1928
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:21,684
is gonna send their team to a venue

1929
01:03:21,994 --> 01:03:24,057
for how many weeks or months to, like,

1930
01:03:24,612 --> 01:03:27,096
to prep... For that. I think this world's

1931
01:03:28,342 --> 01:03:30,112
scares me a little bit because that

1932
01:03:30,818 --> 01:03:32,568
it's a 1 off event. And so that's...

1933
01:03:32,727 --> 01:03:34,079
If anyone's gonna do it, you're gonna do

1934
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:35,193
it for that event. Yep.

1935
01:03:36,465 --> 01:03:36,965
So

1936
01:03:37,754 --> 01:03:39,510
We'll see. Sweet. So so what I saying

1937
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:41,666
is, like, you could... Yeah. If I wanted

1938
01:03:41,666 --> 01:03:43,503
to prepare for Can I would just you'd

1939
01:03:43,503 --> 01:03:45,918
be not go home and got Can, but

1940
01:03:46,217 --> 01:03:48,784
yeah? I think that it's proven Tom and

1941
01:03:48,864 --> 01:03:50,698
Tom again that the fastest will always win.

1942
01:03:51,176 --> 01:03:52,393
I've I can remember

1943
01:03:53,169 --> 01:03:55,561
Sam Hi Nico videos at home in Val.

1944
01:03:56,695 --> 01:03:57,515
Charlie Murray

1945
01:03:57,974 --> 01:03:58,474
is

1946
01:03:58,934 --> 01:04:01,094
definitely not a prep practice and he won

1947
01:04:01,094 --> 01:04:01,494
in

1948
01:04:02,295 --> 01:04:02,795
Poland

1949
01:04:03,574 --> 01:04:04,635
practices. Yeah

1950
01:04:05,426 --> 01:04:08,528
well, not. Yeah. There's others but slab is

1951
01:04:08,528 --> 01:04:10,438
local That's totally fine. Yep. But he still

1952
01:04:10,438 --> 01:04:11,632
exactly. Beat him at his home race. Yeah.

1953
01:04:12,363 --> 01:04:14,517
I know Sam has almost beat me in

1954
01:04:14,597 --> 01:04:17,229
Whistler, like, fair fair fight. Yeah. I have

1955
01:04:17,229 --> 01:04:20,020
been in Whistler, obviously. Yeah. So there's, like...

1956
01:04:20,180 --> 01:04:21,398
And I've... And I

1957
01:04:22,902 --> 01:04:25,920
when the... Yeah. Sam, I won, Pietro last

1958
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,191
year, and I know people had went there

1959
01:04:27,191 --> 01:04:29,732
early. Yeah. So, like, if for the winners,

1960
01:04:30,861 --> 01:04:31,896
I don't think it matters as much.

1961
01:04:32,932 --> 01:04:34,923
I think it's like for the the the

1962
01:04:34,923 --> 01:04:36,835
places beyond that it might matter. Yeah. You

1963
01:04:36,835 --> 01:04:38,268
might get a top 10 or a top

1964
01:04:38,268 --> 01:04:40,596
15 where you might be normally, like, outside

1965
01:04:40,596 --> 01:04:42,352
the top. Hope for I hope for worlds

1966
01:04:42,352 --> 01:04:44,028
that doesn't become a big thing where, like,

1967
01:04:44,268 --> 01:04:46,184
teams are gonna go prelude unveil to Can

1968
01:04:46,184 --> 01:04:47,381
eye, and I just write a bunch of

1969
01:04:47,381 --> 01:04:49,623
the trails. Tricky. Alright because the results need

1970
01:04:49,623 --> 01:04:51,530
the income. They can't just start closing trails.

1971
01:04:51,689 --> 01:04:53,913
It's easier for a downhill, but even sometimes

1972
01:04:53,913 --> 01:04:55,661
spot tricky. Yeah. But you can't just say

1973
01:04:55,661 --> 01:04:57,422
while the whole resort show or... No. No.

1974
01:04:57,581 --> 01:04:59,007
Of course Not. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I it's

1975
01:04:59,007 --> 01:05:00,831
just up to us like, pathetic a good

1976
01:05:00,831 --> 01:05:02,282
example and show that,

1977
01:05:02,813 --> 01:05:04,295
you, the top right is not going. It

1978
01:05:04,414 --> 01:05:06,170
You don't need you don't need that advantage.

1979
01:05:06,409 --> 01:05:09,363
I think I think with 1 practice lap

1980
01:05:09,363 --> 01:05:12,177
and Gopro, you can be at peak speed

1981
01:05:12,396 --> 01:05:14,560
and like and and it's a skill set.

1982
01:05:14,719 --> 01:05:16,015
Right? That you've ever... And.

1983
01:05:17,185 --> 01:05:19,412
I I kind of have said as well

1984
01:05:19,412 --> 01:05:19,912
as

1985
01:05:20,619 --> 01:05:22,603
doing the prep pretext for 1 round might

1986
01:05:22,603 --> 01:05:23,713
help you for that 1 round, but it's

1987
01:05:23,713 --> 01:05:25,617
not is not helping you build the skills

1988
01:05:25,617 --> 01:05:27,204
to go fast after 1 lap, which is

1989
01:05:27,204 --> 01:05:29,769
what is. So long term. It's not really

1990
01:05:29,769 --> 01:05:31,690
helping you. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we see you

1991
01:05:31,690 --> 01:05:34,570
have got fully blind racing. Like, the sort

1992
01:05:34,570 --> 01:05:36,990
of stan Valley style. Doubt. Yeah. I've done

1993
01:05:37,130 --> 01:05:38,844
Pacific and I I've done

1994
01:05:39,776 --> 01:05:41,527
ends enzo. So I've done a few of

1995
01:05:41,527 --> 01:05:43,380
them. Yeah. I I,

1996
01:05:43,995 --> 01:05:45,291
yeah. I I

1997
01:05:45,667 --> 01:05:47,905
I'm just scared I guess is when it

1998
01:05:47,905 --> 01:05:49,652
comes down to. I was trying to think,

1999
01:05:49,810 --> 01:05:52,350
like, I was actually more wild back van

2000
01:05:52,350 --> 01:05:54,510
in S survived. So I think I could

2001
01:05:54,510 --> 01:05:56,579
do it now So. Stone king looks on

2002
01:05:56,579 --> 01:05:56,817
wheel.

2003
01:05:58,726 --> 01:06:00,579
I think I'd rather do 1 in

2004
01:06:01,208 --> 01:06:04,233
in North America. K. With trails that like,

2005
01:06:04,471 --> 01:06:05,210
have good

2006
01:06:07,018 --> 01:06:10,056
eye. Yeah. North liner I close to Yeah.

2007
01:06:10,215 --> 01:06:12,203
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Doing those. Some of those

2008
01:06:12,203 --> 01:06:13,794
I was watching, like, all the P footage,

2009
01:06:13,953 --> 01:06:14,930
like, from Inn

2010
01:06:15,384 --> 01:06:16,895
and others at stone. And I was like,

2011
01:06:17,230 --> 01:06:19,150
Matt, if you make a mistake there. And

2012
01:06:19,150 --> 01:06:20,510
has made it look easy though to be

2013
01:06:20,510 --> 01:06:21,949
fair, and I've ridden quite a lot of

2014
01:06:21,949 --> 01:06:23,869
these trails and... Yep. But I don't think

2015
01:06:23,869 --> 01:06:25,557
he's got that... There's really good skill. And

2016
01:06:25,557 --> 01:06:27,069
like, I I do love that, but when

2017
01:06:27,069 --> 01:06:28,820
a... When the clock is ticking and you're

2018
01:06:28,820 --> 01:06:29,376
being timed.

2019
01:06:30,490 --> 01:06:32,321
Pretty appreciate. Brett miss. I think I would

2020
01:06:32,321 --> 01:06:34,086
love to do that when I So I'm

2021
01:06:34,086 --> 01:06:35,757
not, like, excited to win. You know? I

2022
01:06:35,757 --> 01:06:36,950
just wanna go and have a good time

2023
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:38,143
in afford a bit. So I'm always as

2024
01:06:38,143 --> 01:06:39,495
well it needs be an hospital for a

2025
01:06:39,495 --> 01:06:41,976
while. Yeah. Wanna talk about eb bikes, and

2026
01:06:42,056 --> 01:06:43,169
I'm very much not an e bike. Hey.

2027
01:06:43,328 --> 01:06:45,078
A like I think they're a great All

2028
01:06:45,078 --> 01:06:46,431
and a real great addition to the sport,

2029
01:06:47,226 --> 01:06:47,519
but

2030
01:06:48,037 --> 01:06:50,587
there's this, like, e bike racing still feels

2031
01:06:50,587 --> 01:06:52,340
kind of awkward, and I've I've been giving

2032
01:06:52,340 --> 01:06:54,353
it some thought. And I feel like

2033
01:06:55,064 --> 01:06:57,621
for existing mountain, Like, obviously, brands wanna sell

2034
01:06:57,621 --> 01:06:59,219
bikes, like it's where the growth is for

2035
01:06:59,219 --> 01:07:00,098
the market at the moment.

2036
01:07:00,737 --> 01:07:03,228
But as as existing mountain biker has don't

2037
01:07:03,228 --> 01:07:05,955
think many people are really that interested in

2038
01:07:06,091 --> 01:07:08,716
e bike racing. Mh. Certainly not watching maybe

2039
01:07:08,716 --> 01:07:11,436
in participating. And then people coming into the

2040
01:07:11,436 --> 01:07:12,947
sport the e bike because their kinda of

2041
01:07:12,947 --> 01:07:15,095
gateway in. I don't know about the racing

2042
01:07:15,095 --> 01:07:16,867
and. Don't care. So it doesn't

2043
01:07:17,177 --> 01:07:19,639
feel necessarily like racing is the right way

2044
01:07:19,639 --> 01:07:22,021
to Mh. Sell eb bikes, but we're in

2045
01:07:22,021 --> 01:07:24,483
this sport where the way we've sold bikes

2046
01:07:24,483 --> 01:07:26,170
is or a big part it It's always

2047
01:07:26,170 --> 01:07:27,763
been through racing. I was keen to get,

2048
01:07:27,843 --> 01:07:29,436
like, your thoughts on it, and obviously, you're

2049
01:07:29,436 --> 01:07:32,066
around that, discipline as it's happening. Like, how

2050
01:07:32,066 --> 01:07:33,659
are you seeing that develop I think it's

2051
01:07:33,659 --> 01:07:35,349
going in a good way. Yeah. I mean,

2052
01:07:35,590 --> 01:07:37,670
I think you have... You kinda set it

2053
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:39,190
without saying, I think you're you're pretty spot

2054
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:40,010
on that

2055
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:42,550
to me, like you look at Downhill as

2056
01:07:42,550 --> 01:07:44,090
an example. Like, Downhill

2057
01:07:44,882 --> 01:07:46,950
is not there to really sell down Home.

2058
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:48,620
Because it's a sell a brand. Yeah. So

2059
01:07:48,620 --> 01:07:51,347
for racing. Yeah. I believe that

2060
01:07:51,658 --> 01:07:53,329
If I went on a strive, someone will

2061
01:07:53,329 --> 01:07:54,523
buy a strive on if they want bike.

2062
01:07:54,762 --> 01:07:56,672
Yeah. So that's the way I see. I

2063
01:07:56,672 --> 01:07:57,865
don't think you need to raise e bikes

2064
01:07:57,865 --> 01:07:59,457
to sell bikes. I think it might help.

2065
01:07:59,934 --> 01:08:02,505
But I think that us as rad sell

2066
01:08:02,505 --> 01:08:04,985
more e bikes than the e biker. Yeah.

2067
01:08:05,545 --> 01:08:07,065
Just just because of who's doing it right

2068
01:08:07,065 --> 01:08:08,320
now, you know, like, there's not

2069
01:08:09,394 --> 01:08:10,906
Yeah. That's just that's kind of what I

2070
01:08:10,906 --> 01:08:12,577
think And I I agree that bike racing

2071
01:08:12,577 --> 01:08:13,077
is

2072
01:08:14,327 --> 01:08:16,572
doesn't make sense to me. I love bikes

2073
01:08:16,652 --> 01:08:17,768
I have bikes at home. Yes, sir.

2074
01:08:18,645 --> 01:08:20,558
Actually, had a really fun time. It was

2075
01:08:20,558 --> 01:08:21,754
my dad 7 birthday,

2076
01:08:22,471 --> 01:08:24,600
and I... When I was back home and

2077
01:08:24,719 --> 01:08:26,306
I was riding with some of my parents

2078
01:08:26,306 --> 01:08:28,371
friend, the parents on be bikes yet, but

2079
01:08:28,371 --> 01:08:30,458
my parents friends do and it was

2080
01:08:30,832 --> 01:08:32,499
kind of wild to be climbing up the

2081
01:08:32,499 --> 01:08:33,213
the trail with them.

2082
01:08:33,944 --> 01:08:35,863
And they're just... They're pushing their their motor

2083
01:08:35,863 --> 01:08:38,100
and I'm pushing my motor on like my

2084
01:08:38,100 --> 01:08:40,257
legs and and we're chatting and I was

2085
01:08:40,257 --> 01:08:42,095
like, was like It's super cool. And I

2086
01:08:42,095 --> 01:08:43,546
think there's... Yeah other. There's a huge place

2087
01:08:43,546 --> 01:08:45,799
for them totally, but to me

2088
01:08:47,212 --> 01:08:47,689
racing,

2089
01:08:48,088 --> 01:08:49,681
it's either a motors portal it's not. Yeah.

2090
01:08:50,079 --> 01:08:52,152
And we have not been a motors sport

2091
01:08:52,152 --> 01:08:52,964
for ever.

2092
01:08:53,602 --> 01:08:55,597
And all I hear about the Bike is

2093
01:08:55,597 --> 01:08:57,353
that they're pushing the motor over the governor.

2094
01:08:57,512 --> 01:08:59,428
Mh. Which also just doesn't make any sense?

2095
01:08:59,508 --> 01:09:01,676
Like, why Have a governor on A motor?

2096
01:09:01,914 --> 01:09:02,892
Yeah. So

2097
01:09:03,268 --> 01:09:03,984
doesn't make sense.

2098
01:09:04,859 --> 01:09:07,007
I don't really... Yeah. I don't I don't

2099
01:09:07,007 --> 01:09:07,905
know if that's

2100
01:09:09,249 --> 01:09:10,996
the way things should go. I still think

2101
01:09:10,996 --> 01:09:13,163
that a big and duo day is

2102
01:09:14,410 --> 01:09:15,546
is what like

2103
01:09:16,888 --> 01:09:17,627
is what

2104
01:09:18,005 --> 01:09:20,796
Mountain Biking or or Duo is. I think

2105
01:09:20,796 --> 01:09:22,153
that eb bikes, like, you can't even really

2106
01:09:22,153 --> 01:09:24,146
do a big day because, you limited on

2107
01:09:24,146 --> 01:09:25,822
battery. Yeah. So if we're trying to replicate,

2108
01:09:25,981 --> 01:09:26,060
like,

2109
01:09:26,793 --> 01:09:28,228
if end endurance trying to replicate what people

2110
01:09:28,228 --> 01:09:30,618
do kind at home, they're they're big rides

2111
01:09:30,618 --> 01:09:31,756
or whatever. It's,

2112
01:09:32,134 --> 01:09:33,488
you know, we do a big ride. They

2113
01:09:33,488 --> 01:09:35,198
do a big ride. E bike

2114
01:09:35,575 --> 01:09:36,952
are are maxed out

2115
01:09:37,328 --> 01:09:39,720
on speed and on distance because Yeah. They

2116
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:40,837
have a battery and they have a limit,

2117
01:09:40,996 --> 01:09:43,324
which is kind of interesting. Yeah. So, yeah.

2118
01:09:43,564 --> 01:09:44,364
I don't know it's interesting.

2119
01:09:47,005 --> 01:09:48,684
I think that brands are doing it because

2120
01:09:48,684 --> 01:09:50,684
they're is racing, but I don't believe that

2121
01:09:50,684 --> 01:09:52,364
they're doing it because I think it's the

2122
01:09:52,364 --> 01:09:54,614
future. Yeah. And I think that there's really

2123
01:09:54,614 --> 01:09:56,767
good as anything like there's good innovation coming

2124
01:09:56,767 --> 01:09:58,623
out of it, and that helps the bikes

2125
01:09:58,761 --> 01:10:00,756
improve. Yeah. True. So I think that's huge.

2126
01:10:00,994 --> 01:10:02,645
Yeah. But I think, like, to me, it's

2127
01:10:02,764 --> 01:10:04,274
you know, I think you could have do

2128
01:10:04,274 --> 01:10:04,592
racing,

2129
01:10:05,308 --> 01:10:07,159
be the stand out discipline,

2130
01:10:07,694 --> 01:10:10,770
and then us as riders promote e bikes

2131
01:10:10,968 --> 01:10:12,480
Yeah. Like, away from the racing kind of

2132
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:14,152
thing. Because add it with you riding your

2133
01:10:14,152 --> 01:10:15,823
strive on. And And that's like, that would

2134
01:10:15,823 --> 01:10:17,414
do just as much as as a new

2135
01:10:17,414 --> 01:10:19,984
bike your bike racer because I think that

2136
01:10:21,331 --> 01:10:22,070
I know

2137
01:10:23,005 --> 01:10:24,439
my parents friends at home.

2138
01:10:25,795 --> 01:10:27,548
None of them have bought any e bike

2139
01:10:27,548 --> 01:10:29,560
that is winning a bike race. Okay. Not

2140
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,079
a single 1 because they didn't care. No.

2141
01:10:31,239 --> 01:10:33,079
They don't care. Either they want the biggest

2142
01:10:33,079 --> 01:10:34,060
battery possible

2143
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,039
or they want these lightweight ones.

2144
01:10:36,612 --> 01:10:38,915
That are closer to weight and what, like

2145
01:10:38,915 --> 01:10:40,662
their know bike is. Yeah. So as far

2146
01:10:40,662 --> 01:10:42,728
as I know, Damian Tom might be like

2147
01:10:42,728 --> 01:10:44,157
the only 1 on a on a lightweight.

2148
01:10:44,649 --> 01:10:47,027
You'd bike. So that's a that's a pretty

2149
01:10:47,027 --> 01:10:48,875
good a sell for that bike, but

2150
01:10:49,247 --> 01:10:50,673
and none of them none of them I'm

2151
01:10:50,673 --> 01:10:52,046
watching you by racing and

2152
01:10:52,512 --> 01:10:54,264
I don't see... I don't know anyone with

2153
01:10:54,264 --> 01:10:56,253
the Yeti e bike. Even though those are

2154
01:10:56,253 --> 01:10:56,810
winning them all.

2155
01:10:57,925 --> 01:10:59,595
But I do know 1 of my friends...

2156
01:11:00,312 --> 01:11:02,238
Or my my parents friends bought. Can into

2157
01:11:02,238 --> 01:11:03,137
your bike, so

2158
01:11:03,755 --> 01:11:05,590
I don't know who that's from, but there

2159
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:07,845
you go. Yeah. Who knows? Yeah. Do you

2160
01:11:07,904 --> 01:11:09,042
could you ever see

2161
01:11:09,993 --> 01:11:10,232
like,

2162
01:11:11,029 --> 01:11:11,927
a combined

2163
01:11:12,860 --> 01:11:13,360
end

2164
01:11:13,737 --> 01:11:14,237
e

2165
01:11:14,613 --> 01:11:16,524
thing where, like, maybe there were a couple

2166
01:11:16,524 --> 01:11:18,197
of rounds where you rode e bikes or

2167
01:11:18,197 --> 01:11:19,966
there was like, a couple of stages within

2168
01:11:19,966 --> 01:11:21,560
a race where you always rode them, like,

2169
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:23,714
it feels out ultimately at some point,

2170
01:11:24,591 --> 01:11:26,506
it's all heading towards d bike, but I

2171
01:11:26,664 --> 01:11:28,361
I think that's a long way away. But

2172
01:11:28,514 --> 01:11:30,346
Yeah. But, yeah, I just don't. Yeah.

2173
01:11:31,143 --> 01:11:32,896
That's an interesting 1. Like, that is that

2174
01:11:32,896 --> 01:11:33,396
is

2175
01:11:34,489 --> 01:11:36,880
a, like, 10 year industry type thing. Everyone's

2176
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,388
on Bikes. Yeah. And I struggle

2177
01:11:40,007 --> 01:11:41,925
to see that. I think I think the

2178
01:11:41,925 --> 01:11:44,322
amount of bags obviously is gonna grow substantially.

2179
01:11:44,561 --> 01:11:44,721
Yeah.

2180
01:11:46,414 --> 01:11:48,412
In Europe, it's obviously huge. At home. It's

2181
01:11:48,412 --> 01:11:48,912
still

2182
01:11:49,850 --> 01:11:50,350
really

2183
01:11:51,129 --> 01:11:52,647
it's still in that early stages of growth.

2184
01:11:54,006 --> 01:11:56,018
But I just I can't I can't see

2185
01:11:56,018 --> 01:11:58,355
it, but I can I can

2186
01:11:58,814 --> 01:12:00,492
understand that that might like that might happen?

2187
01:12:00,731 --> 01:12:02,409
Yeah. So I... I... But I think by

2188
01:12:02,409 --> 01:12:04,332
that, by that point, when that happens, like

2189
01:12:04,332 --> 01:12:05,070
the motor

2190
01:12:05,761 --> 01:12:08,462
and battery technology is gonna be so much

2191
01:12:08,462 --> 01:12:10,685
farther ahead then. Yeah. It might look...

2192
01:12:11,338 --> 01:12:13,012
Completely different to what we think it... Like,

2193
01:12:13,172 --> 01:12:14,368
to what it is now. Yeah. You know?

2194
01:12:14,529 --> 01:12:17,022
Like, right now, we have really heavy bikes

2195
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,350
with batteries that can't even go that far.

2196
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:23,100
And

2197
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,154
in the future, we might have really light

2198
01:12:25,154 --> 01:12:26,431
bikes, but batteries is I can go really

2199
01:12:26,431 --> 01:12:28,346
far. Yeah. It's gotta go get a lot

2200
01:12:28,346 --> 01:12:30,436
closer to. What our normal bikes can do

2201
01:12:30,436 --> 01:12:32,192
a thing before it becomes the only bike

2202
01:12:32,192 --> 01:12:34,267
own. Because... Yep. However, much fun you have

2203
01:12:34,267 --> 01:12:35,464
on an e bike, you get back on

2204
01:12:35,464 --> 01:12:38,032
a normal bike, like, this is men. I

2205
01:12:38,032 --> 01:12:38,192
mean,

2206
01:12:38,909 --> 01:12:40,904
I would I I have... I honestly have

2207
01:12:40,904 --> 01:12:42,580
fun, like, if I go out on my

2208
01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:44,550
my strive on, like the the E bike

2209
01:12:44,748 --> 01:12:46,743
a lot climbing on it. It's hilariously fast.

2210
01:12:46,983 --> 01:12:49,158
Yeah. And the thing to sand super well

2211
01:12:49,377 --> 01:12:50,435
to a point where,

2212
01:12:51,131 --> 01:12:51,871
like, it's

2213
01:12:52,183 --> 01:12:53,850
that weight, like, makes it feel so much

2214
01:12:53,850 --> 01:12:55,780
different. I find that it's

2215
01:12:56,392 --> 01:12:57,345
tougher to handle,

2216
01:12:58,060 --> 01:13:00,363
and I really like my my analog and

2217
01:13:00,363 --> 01:13:01,078
bike in that sense.

2218
01:13:02,046 --> 01:13:03,236
But it's always hard to get back on

2219
01:13:03,236 --> 01:13:04,346
my know bike I can pull up a

2220
01:13:04,346 --> 01:13:06,171
hill. You you're like, well, this is is

2221
01:13:06,171 --> 01:13:07,837
a real, But that's the problem I find

2222
01:13:07,837 --> 01:13:09,186
with eb bikes and that's why I think

2223
01:13:09,186 --> 01:13:11,351
the full... The full pie ones make sense

2224
01:13:11,351 --> 01:13:13,028
when I'm, like, technical climb and I'm almost

2225
01:13:13,028 --> 01:13:15,182
like trials riding. Yeah. But just riding up

2226
01:13:15,182 --> 01:13:17,338
a hill it's way too easy to be

2227
01:13:17,338 --> 01:13:19,904
in Turbo pedal it. 50 Rpm and not

2228
01:13:19,904 --> 01:13:22,453
doing any work. Yeah. And everyone... Like, I

2229
01:13:22,453 --> 01:13:23,170
know that, yes,

2230
01:13:23,886 --> 01:13:25,240
it it can be hard to pedal up

2231
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,073
an ebay because I've I've done, like, animals

2232
01:13:27,073 --> 01:13:29,002
on them where, like, if you're trying to

2233
01:13:29,002 --> 01:13:30,437
max it out going up a climb. You're

2234
01:13:30,437 --> 01:13:31,314
working really hard. What?

2235
01:13:32,032 --> 01:13:33,547
You can also go really easy if you

2236
01:13:33,547 --> 01:13:35,382
want do. And it's far too tempting Yeah.

2237
01:13:35,621 --> 01:13:37,296
I don't think my bike seen anything other

2238
01:13:37,296 --> 01:13:38,663
than off and beast. Yeah.

2239
01:13:39,617 --> 01:13:41,761
Yeah. Saving is nothing in between. Yeah. There's

2240
01:13:41,761 --> 01:13:43,667
another. I to me there's no other bones.

2241
01:13:44,302 --> 01:13:46,050
Yeah. So I don't know. I think that

2242
01:13:46,129 --> 01:13:47,344
I think bikes will just

2243
01:13:47,654 --> 01:13:49,246
be way different to what they currently are

2244
01:13:49,246 --> 01:13:49,963
because that, like,

2245
01:13:52,511 --> 01:13:53,408
electronic technology

2246
01:13:54,501 --> 01:13:57,060
advances so quickly that It's just gonna be

2247
01:13:57,060 --> 01:13:58,252
way different than I think we think it's

2248
01:13:58,252 --> 01:13:59,601
gonna be in the future. Definitely.

2249
01:14:00,237 --> 01:14:01,665
Let's pick up on 1 more discipline before

2250
01:14:01,665 --> 01:14:03,412
we wrap up and we'll briefly talk downhill.

2251
01:14:03,983 --> 01:14:05,253
Is there a sender in the garage? Now?

2252
01:14:05,651 --> 01:14:08,113
There is. Yeah. As of it's it's in

2253
01:14:08,113 --> 01:14:09,623
the garage now it's not built yet, but,

2254
01:14:10,497 --> 01:14:12,738
yeah. We finally have it down bike. It's

2255
01:14:12,738 --> 01:14:14,172
taken a while it It has taken a

2256
01:14:14,172 --> 01:14:15,766
while. Yeah. Well, Been focused on End maduro,

2257
01:14:15,926 --> 01:14:16,244
and

2258
01:14:17,122 --> 01:14:18,020
yeah, there's

2259
01:14:18,796 --> 01:14:20,882
not always been the time, but now, like

2260
01:14:20,882 --> 01:14:22,398
the... With the schedule this year, like, I

2261
01:14:22,398 --> 01:14:22,477
think,

2262
01:14:23,354 --> 01:14:25,289
I'll go home. If I'm feeling

2263
01:14:25,666 --> 01:14:27,442
good, I'm signed up for the Crank

2264
01:14:27,898 --> 01:14:29,904
down sweet. But that's the weekend after I

2265
01:14:29,904 --> 01:14:31,732
at home. So also your how I feel.

2266
01:14:32,051 --> 01:14:35,095
What tracks the. 11 99. Yeah super gnarly

2267
01:14:35,152 --> 01:14:37,457
truck. Yeah. And then I might do nationals.

2268
01:14:37,775 --> 01:14:40,104
Downhill, which. If I'm not feeling too, like,

2269
01:14:40,265 --> 01:14:42,985
cooked when I get home, but, yeah. It's

2270
01:14:42,985 --> 01:14:43,485
definitely...

2271
01:14:45,064 --> 01:14:46,345
I don't know. I think that there is

2272
01:14:46,345 --> 01:14:47,704
something to learn from doing Daniel,

2273
01:14:48,279 --> 01:14:49,794
I think if you look at Ritchie,

2274
01:14:50,512 --> 01:14:53,385
he's doing Downhill. Yeah. And he's done pretty

2275
01:14:53,385 --> 01:14:55,274
well as well. Done well, I think he's

2276
01:14:55,395 --> 01:14:56,755
and he's had a really good year this

2277
01:14:56,755 --> 01:14:57,734
year. So.

2278
01:14:59,314 --> 01:15:00,914
So I think that there's is someone to

2279
01:15:00,914 --> 01:15:03,088
be learned from doing both and I think

2280
01:15:03,088 --> 01:15:05,243
you've seen down guys come to End and

2281
01:15:05,243 --> 01:15:06,701
learn kinda how to manage

2282
01:15:07,319 --> 01:15:08,836
speed. Over multiple runs,

2283
01:15:09,713 --> 01:15:10,831
which I think is a big

2284
01:15:11,725 --> 01:15:14,364
a big necessity now with all the runs

2285
01:15:14,364 --> 01:15:14,844
in downhill?

2286
01:15:15,404 --> 01:15:17,164
So... Yeah. Yeah. Do you think we'll ever

2287
01:15:17,164 --> 01:15:18,444
see you on a world cup start line?

2288
01:15:19,418 --> 01:15:21,828
I think that I am realistic

2289
01:15:22,283 --> 01:15:22,783
and,

2290
01:15:24,114 --> 01:15:26,502
yes, that is my goal. Okay.

2291
01:15:27,470 --> 01:15:28,739
But I'm not doing it if I don't

2292
01:15:28,739 --> 01:15:29,850
feel like I can, like,

2293
01:15:30,881 --> 01:15:31,381
safely

2294
01:15:31,754 --> 01:15:34,713
do well. Yeah. For. Like, I I wouldn't

2295
01:15:36,139 --> 01:15:37,679
Yeah. I think if things

2296
01:15:37,979 --> 01:15:39,500
go to plan, and I feel good on

2297
01:15:39,500 --> 01:15:41,260
a downhill bike and I'm not just like

2298
01:15:41,260 --> 01:15:42,399
terrified or

2299
01:15:43,113 --> 01:15:45,342
you know, blown away at the speed. Yeah

2300
01:15:45,421 --> 01:15:46,695
I'd love do. For sure. So it's monster

2301
01:15:46,695 --> 01:15:49,241
and anna possible with that after your season

2302
01:15:49,241 --> 01:15:51,788
finishes. Yeah. But I have to get points

2303
01:15:51,788 --> 01:15:53,479
points. Yeah. So that's why I would do

2304
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,237
nationals. Okay. Well, I don't know if Can.

2305
01:15:55,396 --> 01:15:56,994
I don't actually crank wider down points because

2306
01:15:56,994 --> 01:15:58,672
they're separate there. Yeah. Do you know how

2307
01:15:58,672 --> 01:15:59,871
well you'd have to do at nationals to

2308
01:15:59,871 --> 01:16:00,751
get enough points.

2309
01:16:02,282 --> 01:16:03,979
Hasn't been done just. It's just

2310
01:16:04,916 --> 01:16:06,831
if things happen. Yeah. Yeah. They happen if

2311
01:16:06,831 --> 01:16:08,188
they don't they won't me to... Leave it

2312
01:16:08,188 --> 01:16:09,545
down to fate a little bit. Pretty much.

2313
01:16:09,719 --> 01:16:11,552
Jealous It'd be fun. Yeah. I think so.

2314
01:16:11,712 --> 01:16:12,668
And I think like I said, I think

2315
01:16:12,668 --> 01:16:15,240
it'll it'll teach me some things about

2316
01:16:15,856 --> 01:16:17,664
kind of peaks speed commitment and

2317
01:16:18,021 --> 01:16:19,529
how how fast a bike can really go?

2318
01:16:19,768 --> 01:16:21,989
Yeah. Have you ever ridden there Monster? No.

2319
01:16:22,228 --> 01:16:24,474
No. So Driving at a down bike since

2320
01:16:24,688 --> 01:16:25,878
2007.

2321
01:16:26,530 --> 01:16:28,449
Lots down Spinning while. Yeah Yeah. Try... It's

2322
01:16:28,449 --> 01:16:29,729
a trap that looks fun though It's on

2323
01:16:29,729 --> 01:16:31,329
on the list of ones that I'd quite

2324
01:16:31,329 --> 01:16:33,030
fancy riding whereas Val decides

2325
01:16:33,970 --> 01:16:36,940
every section but the section after Stephen Smith

2326
01:16:36,940 --> 01:16:39,893
drop. Looks fun. That looks fun, but looks

2327
01:16:39,893 --> 01:16:42,787
awfully terrifying. It's break commit. Yeah. So

2328
01:16:43,578 --> 01:16:45,093
but what the changes they did last year,

2329
01:16:45,252 --> 01:16:48,442
looked amazing. Like that upper woods section looks

2330
01:16:48,442 --> 01:16:50,036
so fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I

2331
01:16:50,036 --> 01:16:51,312
guess just watching Jackson go down there. It

2332
01:16:51,312 --> 01:16:53,156
looked fun. But Jackson makes a lot of

2333
01:16:53,156 --> 01:16:54,902
things. Look more fun. Sure they would be

2334
01:16:54,902 --> 01:16:57,442
if I tried them. Yeah. Yeah. But I

2335
01:16:57,442 --> 01:16:59,609
we'll see. Yeah. Nice man. Well, it's been

2336
01:16:59,839 --> 01:17:01,912
really good fun catching up. As always, there's

2337
01:17:01,912 --> 01:17:03,508
a a lot of thought and depth that

2338
01:17:03,508 --> 01:17:05,582
you put into everything and appreciate you sharing

2339
01:17:05,582 --> 01:17:07,416
some of that. Yeah. With the listeners. Thanks.

2340
01:17:07,496 --> 01:17:08,931
And, yeah. I hope the rest the season

2341
01:17:08,931 --> 01:17:10,462
goes well. I'm looking forward to scene. You

2342
01:17:10,462 --> 01:17:13,173
too the first enjoy world champs, and maybe

2343
01:17:13,173 --> 01:17:14,152
you'll see your first

2344
01:17:14,529 --> 01:17:16,682
couple of downhill races. Yeah. We'll see. Yeah.

2345
01:17:16,842 --> 01:17:18,118
Look after yourself. Hope it all goes as

2346
01:17:18,118 --> 01:17:19,967
well, if people wanna follow where should they

2347
01:17:19,967 --> 01:17:22,357
be looking? Yeah. Still Instagram is probably be

2348
01:17:22,357 --> 01:17:24,349
the best place, but I put up practice

2349
01:17:24,349 --> 01:17:25,863
in race videos on my Youtube. So yeah,

2350
01:17:26,101 --> 01:17:28,898
that's people seem like that and not as

2351
01:17:28,898 --> 01:17:30,725
vlog as the other guys, but just raw

2352
01:17:30,725 --> 01:17:33,427
footage. Yeah. And quite impressive how heavily you

2353
01:17:33,427 --> 01:17:35,229
manage to breathe and keep going like you

2354
01:17:35,428 --> 01:17:37,098
you... It looks like you focus on your

2355
01:17:37,098 --> 01:17:38,530
breathing when you're doing that. It feels was

2356
01:17:38,530 --> 01:17:40,279
very controlled, which I wouldn't be at that

2357
01:17:40,279 --> 01:17:42,744
point. It's more like, I'm trying to stay

2358
01:17:42,744 --> 01:17:44,573
relaxed. And I think that is something I've

2359
01:17:44,573 --> 01:17:45,073
learned

2360
01:17:45,543 --> 01:17:47,479
that is necessary this year is,

2361
01:17:48,176 --> 01:17:49,850
like, when things are happening and they're and

2362
01:17:49,850 --> 01:17:51,925
there... Everything's working out, It's just easy and

2363
01:17:51,925 --> 01:17:53,918
things come easy. But this year, I've really

2364
01:17:53,918 --> 01:17:54,658
had to

2365
01:17:56,170 --> 01:17:57,529
kind of weed threw everything that I do

2366
01:17:57,529 --> 01:17:59,529
and figure out the things that have maybe

2367
01:17:59,529 --> 01:18:02,409
fast. Yeah. And so comp was an effort

2368
01:18:02,409 --> 01:18:02,909
to

2369
01:18:04,343 --> 01:18:05,140
take it back a notch,

2370
01:18:06,176 --> 01:18:08,247
calm, know that I can ride fast. Yeah.

2371
01:18:08,487 --> 01:18:10,557
So I don't know those video sounded pretty.

2372
01:18:10,717 --> 01:18:12,152
Like I was having beating my mom massive

2373
01:18:12,310 --> 01:18:13,528
I do like, respiratory

2374
01:18:13,999 --> 01:18:14,158
news.

2375
01:18:16,072 --> 01:18:18,305
But, yeah. I do try to focus on

2376
01:18:18,305 --> 01:18:20,479
it. Like, it's, like, you gotta, like, constantly

2377
01:18:20,697 --> 01:18:22,212
mentally, like, we set in a stage and

2378
01:18:22,212 --> 01:18:23,145
not get to

2379
01:18:23,582 --> 01:18:23,980
to

2380
01:18:25,412 --> 01:18:26,923
to far like, over the line. Do you

2381
01:18:26,923 --> 01:18:27,900
do breath work

2382
01:18:28,275 --> 01:18:28,991
away from riding?

2383
01:18:30,359 --> 01:18:31,956
I I used to. And... It's 1 of

2384
01:18:31,956 --> 01:18:32,913
the things that I'm trying to, like, add

2385
01:18:32,913 --> 01:18:35,068
back into my program? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And

2386
01:18:35,068 --> 01:18:35,946
is that more...

2387
01:18:36,425 --> 01:18:38,362
Is that more preparation for

2388
01:18:38,753 --> 01:18:39,253
breathing

2389
01:18:39,786 --> 01:18:41,455
well in stage. Of course it like a

2390
01:18:41,455 --> 01:18:44,077
down regulation practice to... It'd be both. Yeah.

2391
01:18:44,316 --> 01:18:46,716
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. But it's a lot

2392
01:18:46,716 --> 01:18:48,625
in that stuff there's books about that. That's

2393
01:18:48,625 --> 01:18:49,659
the thing is, like you look at it

2394
01:18:49,659 --> 01:18:50,694
and you're like, why do I even start.

2395
01:18:50,853 --> 01:18:52,524
So I it's kinda hard to start. Another

2396
01:18:52,524 --> 01:18:55,005
puzzle to get You. Nice, matt. Well we

2397
01:18:55,005 --> 01:18:56,198
should finish where gerard I'll just speak to

2398
01:18:56,198 --> 01:18:58,346
you about breathing for another hour. But, yeah.

2399
01:18:58,506 --> 01:18:59,779
Thanks, man. Enjoy the rest of the season,

2400
01:18:59,939 --> 01:19:01,530
and we'll catch up again seeing when you've

2401
01:19:01,530 --> 01:19:03,613
played with flight attendant Sounds good. Yeah. Let's

2402
01:19:03,613 --> 01:19:05,045
enjoy the race this weekend. Cheers Jesse.

2403
01:19:09,020 --> 01:19:10,690
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01:19:10,929 --> 01:19:13,012
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