Hey there. I'm doctor David Mad, and thank
you so much for joining me today on
micro dose you. 1 of the most commonly
asked questions I get asked is Doctor Dave,
what else can I do
alongside of my micro dosing to enhance it
to make it work for me to combat
this crazy anxiety and depression or whatever whatever
else I have? What else can I do?
And I've talked to you about so many
things and the importance of so many things
as far as your health
sleep
journal in the morning, wait having a morning
routine,
we've talked about many, many different things.
However, we've never really talked about something that
I feel is
extremely important, and I'm gonna be talking about
that today. The importance of gut health
and the relationship to mental health. And to
do this in the best way I know
I'm inviting my good friend and colleague, Doctor
Uc O,
on today's episode, and we're gonna discuss, have
a really good discussion about good health and
hell it relates to mental health and also
in how relates a lot of other things.
Doctor O,
Good is not only a dentist, but he
has dedicated his
professional career to studying
nutrition,
sports
fitness
and a lifestyle, and actually a lot more.
He's a dad. He's spoken all over North
America. I think all over the world,
I know all over North America. I have
shared many stages with him. I've known him
in for for at least a couple decades
now, and he is just a great guy
with incredible positive energy who has helped
thousands of people
across North America become healthier every single day.
So Without further ado, let's bring on doctor
Uc O.
Enter the world of magic mushrooms
you.
Hey, doctor. O. Thanks so much for being
here really appreciate. How are you today? I'm
great. I I love sharing
my passion for all things health with people.
So if there's listeners or viewers out there,
I am ready. More than ready. Well, guess
what? I'm pretty sure we have some listeners
end viewers, so I'm ready as well. Let's
get right into it. Doctor O, you know
that I do this podcast on,
micro dosing magic mushrooms, and it's really helped
my followers,
just
tune in and and feel much better and
and and fix their mental health issues. And
and the most common ones are
of depression,
anxiety,
the effects from Ptsd, and, of course, a
lot more. But as I always say to
them,
everything is connected. There's not just 1 thing
you can do. You just can't you just
can't micro dose. You just can't take an
Ss. You just can't take a pill pharmaceutical,
and then hope everything's gonna be better. It's
a lot more complex than that. And we've
gotten into a lot of things here Talk
about sleep a lot of talk about nutrition.
But today,
I'm bringing you 1 because talk about something
that I I don't think I've really ever
talked about on the show, and that is
good health.
So
let's get into it. I I wanna know
a little bit about how
you got interested in gut health and also,
not only... Was it... Was it a personal
thing,
I mean,
did you get into it mainly because you
were experiencing some effects from it or? Just
tell me a little bit about it?
Yeah. For sure. I'm, my my first interest
in health was my mom, You know, my
mom was a
irish mom. I have a Nigerian father. I
was like, I'm African the capricorn. Okay? So
should see mountain saint Patrick's day. K? But
born in England grew up in England, my
mom. For some reason, this is in the
sixties. She was passionate about food, and she
would tell us why she's feeding her certain
breakfast and explain that you wanna do well
in school today, you gotta have some fish
oil. Talked about protein for muscles, and You
might think that was obscure, but it's amazing
how those early conversations
play out that through my teenage years, my
twenties, my thirties, and I'm
passionate about nutrition.
My my 2 younger brother's oldest sister, both
look great, their, you know, middle age professionals,
my brothers are retired police officer,
He looks amazing. He's got a second career
now as an actor
in the hallmark. This whole hallmark movie thing.
So,
this so something about early food habits that
lead to emotional wellness
and
aging well, which I think you think about
gut
know, hip hypoxia said all the disease bins
in the gut. That's food. And I think
food is the biggest way to impact
gut health. We talk about gut health and
life quality.
My mom planted those seeds early with fish
oil and,
brown sugar instead of white sugar. Know now
the brown sugar you know, white sugar with
a dye job. So... But in the sixties
though, she had that thing about brown sugars
better. So often found nutrition could be a
little bit off you know, 20 30 years
later, but the intention was pure. If you
wanna have a good day, you know, you
eat well, And that was profound for a
lady with no college education.
Interesting. So,
1 of the first things I think my
viewers and listeners are thinking right now. Well,
I'm I'm watching this or I'm listening to
this because I've got to impression. I've got
anxiety. I've got
Ptsd. I've got Ocd, a adhd Then the
list goes on and on and on. As
you know,
before they say, I'm not interested in in
this nutrition or this gut health thing because
I'm just interested in Mental health tell them
a reason why they need to stay here
and listen because it's connected
in a in a big, big way.
Okay... I'm just looking all the different studies.
If be surprised what the science says. I
know there's a misunderstanding, you know, just after
Covid. Everyone thinks bacteria as bad, viruses are
bad. But believe it or not most of
the viruses on the planet
actually kill bacteria. They're called bacterial fa.
And most of the bacteria and your my
body are beneficial, You know, 98 percent of
the single celled organism near my body are
or or good for us. So there's something
about,
food that can possibly help your viewers and
listeners. And what they've shown is, you change
the way you eat
you change your bacteria. And there's just... I
was just looking at a study now in
diabetic Medical Journal and in 2013. So 11
years ago.
When they changed, and they added more fiber
to people's diets over 6 months. They talked
about not only do they feel better
flat stomach wise and less b, but they
also had better moods over 6 months. So
mood is everything. You know, when you know
you're in a good mood, or more likable,
You won't you were more and husband your
more fun friend. So if your mood improves,
simply by eating more fiber,
there must be something about the positive effect
on fiber on our body, and it is
the bacteria, the bacteria are the single celled
organisms that are most profoundly impacted
by our fiber intake. So definitely relevant if
someone wants to have more emotional well being
to tap into these studies that about the
bat advantages of fiber owner or bacteria and
better moody?
Well, how does the typical person there know
if they're if they're doing it right if
they've got good good health bad get. Like,
for example, me. I mean, I think I
eat really well. I've I've really cut down
on processed foods.
I'm I'm, you know, really careful about the
amount of food I eat. I try to,
you know, minimize,
you know, the the foods that we know
or or not so good for you. But
how do I know
if my gut health is truly good or
not?
Hey.
I would say, my natural product doctor says,
Our skin is our digestive systems report card,
how your skin looks.
I've also read that, you know, up to
90 percent this we're recording like deeper ready,
obviously, up to 90 percent of the serotonin
in our body is made in the Gi
tract. You know, I I've I have 7
psychiatrists, not personally as patients.
And I'm always asking to.
Hey, where's serotonin made. And uniformly, they all
say here.
That's the most profound area when it's not
going well.
But they then they always ask me how
do you know so much? I said, well,
I'm dentist, but I read tons of nutrition
books and 90 to 95 percent of serotonin
is made in the Gi trap.
And these are all the current books on
written by gas
doctors.
So,
you change the way you eat you body
bake better, more serotonin. So there's something about
fiber
and food intake that comes out in our
skin. So if your skin is smooth and
you're aging well, you probably have good Gi
health. If you're if you have a balanced
mood less emotionally triggered,
Guess what you probably all have good digest.
Just like let you know when you... When
People talk about being hand.
You know,
talk about... Adam of my whole 11 you
are, mother Teresa, you know,
John the baptist,
jill Biden, you know, No about how pleasant
you are, the minute you're hungry You get
a little annoyed, and you can't be loving.
So not having tune your stomach makes you
emotionally unstable or more triggered. There must be
something about food
that can help balance mood. And that's where
I think people need to get interested in.
So
is that intriguing enough for you? Like, is
that give you an idea what's what's happening?
Yeah Yeah it it definitely does. Some mood
is is a big thing. So you... So
it's fairly easy for people to I'd think,
say, judge their
gauge or judge their moods. On a on
a daily basis. But let's go back to
skin because skin is pretty interesting. And
let's say somebody has
decent skin. They don't really notice anything too
bad. But occasionally, they have a breakout of,
like, either
eczema, psoriasis,
allergic reactions or something and redness in their
skin.
What is that telling you about their gut
health? Is there some be going on most
likely in the gut. And if so,
what can they do to improve that? Yeah.
Great questions. It's about 50000000 Americans are suffer
from autoimmune diseases, 50000000.
And those diseases go away from Eczema which
he mentioned, Psoriasis, Rosa,
an closing sp,
ms,
lupus,
sc,
irritable bowel, not bowel, but Ulcerative start called
colitis. So a lot of these things
have,
an immune component.
Well,
as you talk about the skin. So if
someone's having skin issues like eczema psoriasis.
And they've actually shown. This is a gas
Em Mayor at a California and Julia End
out of Germany. She said that,
a lot of autoimmune disease is is preceded
by gut membrane perm ability.
So
so if someone has lupus S syndrome, closing
Ms, and you probe and ask them... How's
your Gi health been over the last 10
years. Those who, why do you ask? It's
horrible?
I am bloated. I got I got constipation.
I get diarrhea. Well,
those are all signs your Gi tract is
not working well. But... You know, you should
swallow food. You should be empowered by it.
When it leaves, you should add energy. So
if you have highs and lows of energy
or constipation, flat,
d,
then gut membrane perm ability often proceeds autoimmune
disease, so I know, I'm getting technical really
quickly. But but a lot of even disease
though is preceded by gut issues.
So...
It's very important if you want to have
a more healthy
balanced,
physical life and skin health is to manage
your gut.
K. You know, it's interesting because, I'd say
even 10 to 20 years ago, I had
some psoriasis breaking out. It was it was
really frustrating because... No matter what I did,
I couldn't really control it. It wasn't terrible,
but it was bad enough that I knew
something was wrong. And My dermatologist just would
always just say, oh, you know, just rub
some ointment on it. You're gonna you know,
some,
steroid. You're gonna be fine. Not that bad,
blah blah, but I knew I knew really
deep inside there was something else going on.
And so what I tried to do,
Which was I
eliminated gluten
or as much gluten as I could for
my diet. And I know you're probably not
gonna be surprised at this, but within 3
to 4 months,
it was basically,
my psoriasis was basically 99.9
percent gone, just from moving gluten, and why
didn't a dermatologist just ever tell me that?
Yeah. A great question. I think a lot
of medical doctors. And I read I read
this in this book called how not to
die by Michael Michael G.
And he says that, for 25 percent of
medical schools,
United States don't have nutrition requirements to graduate
to being a doctor
and tufts
which has the most
nutrition hours to become a medical doctor has
22 hours of nutrition.
So if the average medical doctor has less
than 22 hours you can say.
The average hi age janice at 35 hours,
the dentist at 30 hours,
as well within our discussion for dentists and
Hi janice to talk to nutrition, But most
medical doctors
they're basically, they do
drug treatment and surgical intervention. So nutrition is
not... It's it's... You think they'd be interested
because the first doctor said, food be a
medicine. Let medicine be your food. But on
average though,
they don't talk nutrition because you bring up
a subject of nutrition and cravings and diet.
A physician can get into an hour discussion,
you know, You know, so can imagine, if
you're getting paid a certain amount for the,
a specific examination as a physician as a
walking clinic, Do you wanna get into an
hour discussion about food tastes and cravings and
diet? So you gotta nip it in the
butt? So here, try this cream.
And
we'll circle back in 4 weeks, which is
time ex ex, but really, it's, like saying,
I'm really bad at investing
a a financial
I'm managing my money. So what I do
is I just keep doing Visa advances at
the Atm. Well, these advances might fix me.
That 500 dollar cash advance, Visa might help
me. But it is not helping me with
my general problem, which is, like, overs spending
and not worrying about savings. So so cream
works in a moment. But to go deeper,
that's where,
a total health perspective is needed. Like you
knew it, You know, you try you change
your diet it and your skin improved.
It it was night and day difference. And
now you mentioned doctor G. So
do you think that 1 has to be?
Because I know he's he's a big vegan
guy.
You think that 1 has to be vegan
or practice a vegan diet
to have
the proper gut health.
IIII
don't think so. I think again,
a lot of us are all are nothing.
I think it's called intellectual disease, you know,
smart people often overthink something. So, Gregor talks
about,
we only need eat more plants and vegetables
and fruit and
and fiber.
However, he was saying that 95
percent of Americans don't eat enough. 95 percent.
So he's not saying switch completely to planted
fiber that would be confusing to fast food
industry. That would be confusing to people at
the thanksgiving meal and, you know, christmas dinner.
So he just saying we need to up
our vegetable intake. You wanna go all or
nothing. If someone wants to go completely vegan,
you're gonna have a challenge at social occasions,
You're gonna have a challenge with your buddies,
You're gonna have a challenge with your family
and your kids. It can be done. Very
tough though. And you gotta be smart about
it because you can get vegan beer, vegan
tacos,
vegan cotton candy, you can do vegan everything
and still look horrible. So so he came
out and saying, just increase your vegetable intake.
Don't be all or nothing because you will
fall off the wagon. I'm a master of
moderation. I meets...
I had bison
steaks couple days ago. I'm actually marinating some
chicken breasts now. Again, But with my chicken
breast though guess, what, I'm choosing to have
ones raised without antibiotics
because they've shown that antibiotics mess with our
gut flo. So And III bought these at
Walmart. Walmart sells,
chicken breasts
raised without hormones and raised their antibiotics. So,
like, It it's very accessible, but you need
to look a little deeper than the convenient.
Need to look a little deeper and think,
hey, I... I'm interested in keeping my gut
healthy. So That's where I go there. So
I'm not a vegan. But if you look
at my skin, pretty good. You know, I
have 4 kids. Have a 9 year old.
I have a 18 year old graduated in
high school. I am not a vegan, but
I love vegetables, but I also love my
meat. So there you go You don't have
to be vegan to be healthy. Even though,
it gets evangelical. You go on nutrition Twitter,
people fight with farmers in Top Kansas. They're
arguing with professors that, you know, in Virginia.
But
moderation is the way to go if he
asked me. Moderation is a way to go.
I would agree with that. I was vegan
for 7 years. And wow. I followed people,
like, like, G and and and the like.
And I gotta tell you.
IIII
think it was I think it was really
bad. Me. Now I know everybody's different, but
that's 1 of the reasons I was experiencing
some some mental health issues. I think I
was lacking some new transformed somewhere and I
don't even know exactly what they were and
it doesn't really matter at this point because
I introduced animal products back into my diet
about
about 4 years ago. But, the 7 years
of being vegan. There was a Honeymoon period
where everything was great. I thought this is,
like, the best lifestyle ever. But over a
period of many years,
doctor,
I I really started feeling shitty. I gotta
tell you. So I'm not I'm not a
fan of of you know, saying you have
to be vegan either. Yep.
The people will look at me and say
oh, you must be vegan just so I
look healthy. I said, no. I... I've I
go through... I've gone through and got a
big Mac shake and fries.
And and again, the... There's 2... Is... Young,
I I and... But 20 years ago, I
went through twice in the... In this end
of day. I ordered the same damn thing.
So Oo, I can't believe though you guys.
People see me in a hotel lobbying though,
you're drinking tequila.
You're a health guy and drinking Tequila. I'm
like it's not an all nothing world. If
I was competing in the masters Olympics, and
there were 12 weeks away. Guess what? No
tequila. But just to enjoy my friends and
to toast birthday, I'm gonna have some class
az zoo, I'm gonna have some dwayne in
Rock Johnson in Terra.
You know, I'm gonna... I'm gonna have some
gray goose vodka on the rocks.
So so it's kind of annoying to people
that you can be healthy and look great.
And have a balanced life because most people
wanna make, like, oh, Oo must be very
lucky, or you must work out 2 hours
a day or have a trainer. No. No.
My weight workouts now with 30 minutes most
days. I don't work out every day, You
know? So I'm a master of moderation come
myself a mom, and a master of moderation.
And I think it's a lot more attractive
way to go than this all or nothing,
you know, Jack,
David Go,
Tony Horton with the peg on the ceiling.
I've never done peg on the ceiling. But,
man, I got some great biceps ups. You
And
I could not do peg on the ceiling.
You don't have to, you know? For for
the record, and just for our viewers that
are watching this 1 when the Youtube platform,
hell old are you?
You know, everyone asked to me that question.
And I... And I like to keep it
a mystery, you know, Because, you know, if
you're if you ready have you read any
Robert Greene, if you ready Robert Greene, 48
miles of power.
I don't believe I have Oh,
genius genius thought leaders. In his book 48
laws of Power. This book is banned in
prison
Because if you read these 40 laws of
power, you can go from being a everyday
grunt to running the show
because he has 48 laws through history. And
1 of them, is, never outs shine the
master. So if you work for someone, or
if you got a buddy, never keep showing
that you're smarter than him, you do better
than the owner because they won't find a
reason to fire you. You always think I...
If I keep doing better. My general manager
love me? No. You will get rid of
you because you're out shining the master. He
said all bosses and managers have egos
and there's a status with that. So his
other rule was have an error of mystery
about you. And arab mist means, don't spill
your guts. Don't show your breakfast. Don't show
your relationships. Don't show your latest check that
you got in the mail. Don't share your
age.
He said you develop an air of mystery,
and you will lack she develop more of
a intriguing interest by people. So when people
ask me of my weight, my blood pressure
I'm like, you know what?
Einstein said, time and illusion. Right? There's no
such thing as time and space. Just like
I can expand to contract time with a
mirror in a room.
Driving to a destination has always seems like
a long time than driving back. So for
me, age is very linear. And and... I'm
I'm I've been... I'm not married now. I've
I... My, I marriage Ami would be ended
about 6 years ago. You know, I'm dating,
and I'm dating younger because I find
women my age wanna go to bed early,
you know, and I'm not talking about romance.
They get tired. So
so I'm dating something's going in 10:15 years
younger. And they're still getting tired. I'm like,
let's watch gladiator. It's only 11:00. And they're
like,
so for me,
age
is
linear, nuts and bolts science.
That in My answer a nutshell? I I
take the fifth on that 1. Okay? So
I think... Okay. So I think you made
your point, and not only did you make
your point, but I think
you're a very, very wise man and I'm
gonna take some advice from you, and I'm
gonna I'm gonna start keeping a few more
things
private and confidential, which because,
yeah there's a little bit of a, like,
AAAA
air of mystery and it which might be
a little bit better. So I I love
it, and I totally respect the fact that
you don't wanna talk about some of some
of the things that I asked ask you.
That's totally fine. But I did see you
the other day. I think it might have
been on 1 of the social media, you
know, streams.
You were... There was a little clip of
you speaking in front of a very large
audience, and I think you were speaking on
how it's so important to
eat slowly and not just gu your food
down, And I will tell you, share this
with you. You may know this, but you
know, my wife is is Japanese She she
lived half a relief in Japan. And until
until we met and now she's in obviously
in the Us here with me, but she
has always said to me, David,
you're eating way too fast. And and I
always say, you know, she and... I give
her a hard time to sheet so slowly,
we, you know, dinners end up being, like,
an hour and a after to 2 hours,
but her she's got really, really good gut
health and great skin. And
so how important is it in your opinion
to just really eat slowly and not gu
that food down. And what does it what
does it actually do when you eat too
quickly, what happens? Why is it bad?
Well, it's funny. You know, we talk about
fast food, and you gotta look at the
prevalence of fast food. The minimize called fast
food is people eat quickly.
And you gotta think, you know, you might
be able to afford michelin star restaurants or
having a a nice italian meal. You might
go to the a ocean side restaurant and
you know, you your dinner might be know,
234 hundred dollars maybe a nice bottle of
wine. But most for the average North American,
Canadians included, I'm in Toronto.
95 percent of food eaten outside the home
as fast food, 95
percent.
And has never called good food It's called...
Not called nutrition food. The 1 requirement is
that it's fast. You know, you're to drive
through and you see 3 cars ahead of
you, already you're going. I want my fries.
I want my fries.
So speed seems to be the most important
thing. So you gotta think, you know, I
always think of... There's a book called Sapiens
by David H.
And he talks about the fact that you
and I am more like caveman men than
we are modern creatures. You know? And back
a million years ago before fire was invented,
and they cooked meat we g an ate
all day long. You know what how hard
it was? A lot of ancient in caveman
were tiny. They were 345 feet tall. Not
anywhere near. The average
Danish Or dutch man now is 6 foot
1. We were tiny. We... I took... We're
eating raw, plants, herbs and greens, and we
g all day slowly. We ate very slowly.
So you know I think it's only the
last, you know, 60 years with fast food.
So we're actually hijacking a digestion.
They're always ate slowly. We ate slowly flask,
you know, h, 1700000.0
years ago. Homo sapiens, and this is, you
know, from Daniel Lieberman,
400000
years ago. So we ate slowly overall whole
human history.
It's only now to we eat fast foods
and no wonder it encourages d. So when
you think of the Japanese culture, I love
they have some terms called
Ko Mitsubishi.
Gucci,
which I was I was told by Japanese
dentist. Means
eating because you're lonely,
filling a void with food. So when you
come home from work, and you didn't have
a satisfying day, no 1 ever says, you
know, I wouldn't mind having some kale and
walnuts. You know? It's give me a double
scotch and give me some, you know, ben
Ben and Jerry's ice cream.
So stuffing your feelings, a Ko gucci mitsubishi
is Japanese word, really means filling the void
of emotion with food, which is not a
good idea. Eat a 900 calorie Ben and
Jerry's, you know, cookie dough ice cream, when
you should be calling your brother and saying
I'm sorry. You're,
connecting with your children, maybe on facetime. So
I love where your your wife is saying,
I'm sure you're... 1 the reasons why you're
probably gonna live another decade longer
is because you've married well. You've married someone
that loves you. And I always say, yeah
If your wife is encouraging you to eat
better, it means she has a... She hasn't
looked at your life insurance policies.
Guess.
But I you just... But I don't mean
just... I'm not even talking that healthier food,
which I'm talking about Slow. Sit down to
have a nice... Yeah. Nice
nutritious meal, but she's she claims I just
eat it to quickly. So what are the
benefits to
down and and eating that meal much, much
slower than the average, you know, North American
which is gold even if it's healthy, go
pet, seafood down. So people often think digestion
starts in your stomach. It actually starts in
your mouth. With l and digestive enzymes that
amy, which helps digest carbohydrates.
The guessing of the experts is now staying.
It it's... Digestion starts when you look at
food.
You look at the meal and take time
for grace. So Grace might seem like a
spiritual subject. But think about it, when you're
saying grace, the foods ema into your nose,
to talk about the nose going straight to
your brain, the messages. So right away, the
brain gets message. Oh, it's pasta, or it's
Italian sauce or there's brock
or there's beef. Now the stomach starts making
the right amount of h h acid, the
right amount of digestive enzymes just because you're
smelling it and I'm looking at it. But
experts now have shown that digestive starts even
thinking about it. As I drive home,
I'm anticipating my Italian dinner. And my body
starts getting ready. So you can imagine then.
If if it has to be a body
preparation. People Digest eat slower and better.
Digest their food and absorb nutrients. So fast
food gop,
food goes down in bigger chunks like an
ice cube,
Imagine your that your stomach acid trying to
digest an ice cube of food that was
digested quickly, like think about sushi, less hydro
uric acid side interacts, and no food is
sterile.
So now you have a chunk of sashimi.
Instead of liquid like your gram gram said,
how is that hydro acid gonna break it
down, and now you might have parasites and
pathogens,
getting further along a Gi tract, causing d.
So eating slowly, your body is better able
to immune have an immune response. Better able
to digest that absorb nutrients. So you can
actually get better absorption
just by eating slower. So if you absorb
nutrients better, It means you're actually gonna repair
your meniscus,
make more serotonin,
and and repair bed, and then someone's gu
down food. So eating slower
means better digestion or absorption, which means better
repair growth and a better meniscus, a better
long, the better brain.
I hang around so many people that,
after a meal, they they reach for a,
a thumbs or a ga Gone and they
say they've got some kind of asset reflux
or or something like that.
It seems to be really, really prevalent amongst
people that, you know, in in North America,
why is it so prevalent and how how
dangerous is that? And also how, again, getting
back to the mental health? Because I... Again,
everything's connected, How How is that affecting mental
health issues?
Yeah. Great. You know what, I I think
if if someone's digest... If everything you are
because what you eat. You know, and, these
gas,
the ones now heard into more complimentary medicine
like Duck aaron mayor at a California.
They say if you're actually eating healthier
and you're digesting food better, you know, better
emotional well being. Well, if someone's having Ga
and tum after meal. You probably ate too
quick You probably talked about discussion out meal.
The whole thing about the mediterranean diet is
not just the diet. It's not talking about
politics, religion, sex
over dinner. If you talk about polarizing subjects,
Just imagine, never been upset, talking to someone
and you eat a meal and you get
in digestion.
It's because of the emotion change of stomach
acid. You make less stomach acid.
Not you let me less something. You... You
make more stomach acid because you're irritated, but
being irritated and annoyed
and you eat your favorite food, it doesn't
feel the same. So anyone that's reaching for
Tum or any of these Ppe eyes or
someone who's got protein pump inhibitors or reflux.
They're actually digesting themselves, making way too much
acid. And now these these medications
lowering the stomach acid. So now you're eating
sushi with Ppi.
Guess what you don't have as much acid
to maybe
protect you from the parasites and bacteria. So
eating slower,
not talking about polarizing subjects. Like, why bring
up why bring up a a sore topic
at thanksgiving. You know, people start off planning
and they all want this well. You talk
about polarizing shepherd oh,
what was dad, like, you know, how did
you think about step dad? And and what
was it like growing up with a blended
family? And now you talk about Polarizing subjects.
Also, now you don't digest food well. Now
you got reflux. Now you're angry, and now
you're over eating,
You have Ko gucci Mitsubishi Or Just trying
to fill that void with eating foods. You...
Now you got a meal that should have
been happy. Now not not now it's not
going. And it stays with you for hours
after.
So
someone who's not digesting food well is not
gonna
be medically sound, but also not gonna be
good emotionally. And See because they ate too
quick, but on top of that, they talked
about polarizing subjects.
So there there you have it. As a
perfect storm for post
meal
stomach upset by eating fast and eating... Talking
about polarizing subjects.
So if somebody did not make any change
other than
talking about
piece more peaceful things and eating slower while
they're while, you know, while they're eating.
Would would that how how much of an...
Would that really make a tremendous impact If
you just changed the conversation during a meal
that would that would have that much of
an impact you're saying? Yeah. That's so beautiful.
I think everyone's looking for, like, this for
that? What do I take to look younger?
What what do I take to get rid
of my Ibs? What we do know is
you think of the Okinawa ones and the
blue zones. And these people, you know, there's
5
places in the world that people live till
a hundred.
And they don't talk about supplements and vitamins.
They do talk about quality of life. They
talk about mood. They talk about mindset,
They talk about philosophy. I'm sure the Okinawa
when they're eating their blue potato weren't screaming
and fighting with each other
about work and life. About how come... When's
the last time you called me. You know?
So there's something
about people living a long time that resolve
issues. And they have high emotional intelligence. So
I'd say,
to in a nutshell, instead of trying to
memorize which bacteria good for.
As whenever you eat, don't look at a
scary movie. Could you imagine if I'm eating
a if I watch Movie, field the dreams
with Kevin Cost,
and you're watching
Halloween 3 with Michael Myers deep dis bow
and getting people.
And you're shocked. Do you got epinephrine
zooming up and down on cortisol, and I'm
watching field and dreams thinking about my dad
playing baseball growing up, who's gonna digest food
better?
So I would say it's much better
thinking about talking about pleasant subjects than polarizing
subjects. And that I think people... The viewers
be well on the way of having a
better absorption and better meal experience than thinking
about and discussing,
arguing
over bad things or replaying a sad sack
story from the day or talking about the
fend bender you saw.
Keep it positive
ask to them what what good things happen
today, baby. Tell me about your day. Tell
me the good things that. What you learned
today? Now you're both gonna have a more
pleasant experience.
And you don't have just understand every and
nuance of the single celled organisms, but you
do know that bacteria love it when you're
happy. And pathogenic flu
flourish when you're angry.
That's really interesting And 1 of the things
I've been teaching my followers for quite some
time ever since I started this podcast actually
is
that especially if you're experiencing some mental health
issues. When you at the very beginning of
your day, like, it's, basically, as soon as
you wake up,
put something on either Youtube or or listen
to a podcast. List this look at or
watch some... Or or listen something that's funny.
Something that's actually gonna make you laugh.
And that is something to do with the...
I don't I don't know what kind of,
you probably know this more than I do,
but there's certain, certain brain waves
when you do that first thing in the
morning, it's gonna set the stage kinda, like,
to be much happier the entire day. And
then now you're the extension of that is
even when you're eating to do something very
similar to talk about something pleasant instead of,
the debate, the election politics war all this
because I can understand now what you're saying.
It it's... It's a... It's that's huge.
Well, nor norepinephrine,
which is your... 1 of a chief fight
flight
neurotransmitters and actually like a hormone in the
body. It's always higher when you're upset. So
if you're watching news, if you're arguing with
your spouse,
giving someone to the... You know, you had
0 table of 8 people. It's not all
love love harm harmony when when families get
together. If you're focusing on the fact that
your uncle uncles here, and I can't believe
they invited my uncle. I can't believe they
invited my uncle. Guess what? Higher levels of
adrenaline and cortisol.
And now that Hp access, that party of
your brain, the amygdala. The primitive party of
your brain is spinning out of control. Guess
what? It encourages this.
You have less good digestion you have less
absorption nutrients. You're actually punishing yourself by focusing
on that ankle.
Instead of focusing on the other 7 other
people that are welcome to be here. And
maybe just off send him AAA
psychological blessing,
and, hey, he grew up differently than I
did. I'm not gonna focus on him being
here.
It's amazing now. You lower the cortisol now
because you're focusing on gratitude. I think it's
a 2005 study in California that showed how
feelings of gratitude is incompatible with resentment and
anger. So during the meal, I'm focusing on
the pleasant trees, I can actually lower my
drum lo or
cortisol. And now I have different bat pathogenic
flo,
flourishing. Instead of the pathogenic flu, like C
diff seal,
and e coli and H p.
I'm actually encouraging the lac and the by,
which allow for better absorption.
So you can actually change
the the numbers of bacteria in your system
in and support more beneficial flo.
Simply by focusing on the gratitude. So it
doesn't change what our grandmother's and grandmother, the
great grandmother as I've said, you know, counter
your blessings before bedtime. They didn't know about
the microscope and and and probiotics, but we
do know. The science now says, focusing on
your blessings being grateful. Definitely lowers epinephrine
lowers cortisol,
encourages melatonin and encourages more beneficial flores. So
it hasn't changed was good for us.
Know, being grateful at eating slowly. But when...
The science now talks about bacteria and different
levels of bacteria that can flourish under those
circumstances.
Well, this part is not really food related,
but
you and I have known each other for
quite some time. You've spoken at a lot
of my conferences. We've see each other on
the road speaking at at this, you know,
same conferences. And 1 thing I've noticed about
you over many years,
doctor O is that
I have never heard you say, a bad
thing about anybody else. You don't gossip if
somebody tries to, like, get you to say
something bad. You'll always
say something. Like, well, you know, we're all
different or something something like that. So you've
got a real
positive attitude, no negativity And like you said,
talked about that that Uncle at the table,
you will not focus on the bad things,
but you'll say you'll say something good, and
I'm just wondering how much that
lifestyle that habit helps you with mental health
and also everything's connected, so mental and physical
health over over many, many years.
You know? Thank you. Thank you David. It's
a nice testimonial. Like, it's like it's incredible.
I think I'll start for my mom. She
definitely had a poly rose cutter glasses approach.
And, I see it plays out in everything.
I remember read reading a book on... If
you have daughters,
Technically,
you represent friendship to your daughters. Your mother
can't leave. Your mother has to be a
good mom. But dad represents male,
and it says if your a dad with
daughters,
you have an obligation to be your daughter's
first friend.
And and I've read recently relationship,
discourse on Instagram
that, if if the dad
was the first male, that broke the girl's
heart.
It's a wound that takes a lot of
counseling and repair and awareness as an adult,
not to keep replaying that relationship. So I've
learned early on,
that,
instead of focusing on the negative, it does
not help you.
Just like, you know, tony Robbins tells a
story of a race car driver. If if
if if you're spinning out of control,
focusing on the 1 telephone pole not to
hit is the guaranteed to hit that telephone
pole. So there's something about focusing on what's
going well, what's grateful about what's what's blessed
in my life,
because they say 2 opposing more can't exist
in your brain at the same time. So
I wanna be happy and have a better
mood, I'm gonna focus on what's going well.
Even if you and I were stuck in
an elevator, and we only about 2 hours
of oxygen, I it was warm,
The thing that won't help us is arguing
over how much how much air we have
left and how hot it is. You know,
in everything we're gonna breathe faster and use
up the oxygen. So I firmly believe the
focusing on what's going well and or blessings
has a physiological effect in our body. And
and at that plays out in my in
the lobby when people see me or in
the conference hall or in the trade show
or on the plane,
you know, you'd be surprised how many people
ask conference Have been watching you and amazing
how they didn't have a meal that you
wanted on this flight, and you said that's
okay. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna have
AAA tea. And most people freak out Can't.
I'm sitting in business class. And you have
no more chicken kat,
you know? So I don't know. I I
firmly believe being consistent is is everything. Does
doesn't mean I don't have my freak counts,
You know? I'm just saying that,
most of the time you'll find me
being happy. And I and I and I
acknowledge my mother's influence and my dad's influence
on that because again, Here's another peaceful warrior.
He was another guy that talked about books
and reading and being
in your response.
So thank you. I appreciate that compliment. I...
And I really mean that I've I've observed
that about you for for many, many years,
but it's interesting what you just said, I
think for some reason
So since I've been on this journey,
I've noticed
over the past few years that I
just let things go. Where whereas many people
would even say to me, well why? Why
why didn't you get pissed off beth that?
You should be giving them a hard time.
No They took advantage of. And I and
I would say my answer to them would
be, you know, something no. It... It doesn't
really matter. I I I'm okay. It does...
That's that doesn't matter. It's not a big
thing. And and people do freak out about
that because they think I'm I become 2.
Too easy too peaceful, too much of a
push over, but I'm not a push over.
I just know I know where to pick
my battles, and I'm not gonna get upset
if if they run out of chicken kat
on business class. Why would I ever get
upset about that? I would just... I would
just make the best of it, like you
do? I would say, I'll take some tea
and I'd be good with that.
But I do wanna... Get you you mentioned
something earlier that I definitely want to touch
on and and getting back to food more.
How do you feel about
the benefits
of probiotics. And you've not only just not
just only taking probiotics capsules, but things like,
yogurt,
crowd, Kimchi, how beneficial are these things for
your gut. Okay. It it's all... It's it's
not new really because it's guy named,
it was doctor
Mitch. He was Nobel Prize winner from 19
o 5,
and he made a note a hundred and
20 years ago, that certain people that carried
fermented fermented milk in a leather bag
had healthier and better health and longer life.
This is like a hundred and 20 years
ago. So they have... They've known about fermented
a long time ago. It's only now the
science is talk about it, You know, they
talk there's different yogurt companies that are claiming
to have, you know, great stomach health and
overall health quality. So a This is not
new. You know, fermented foods ground a long
time. Originally, it was just to preserve food.
Now they know fermented fermented food has pre
and probiotic qualities.
Which help establish more diversity and stability to
our Gi tract. So, you know, you think
about the certain kinds, you know, Kimchi,
ke, or ke, yogurt,
cheese,
pickles, sour k, Miso soup, apple cider of
vinegar. And I'll aim on average to have
about 2 of those a day. I'd... I'm
not... It's not a... I'm not so black
and white with it, but I how about
2 a day. And I do have a
flat stomach. You know? III have a 9
year old. I've 2 and we've been a
doctor and half for more than 25 years.
I do have a flat stomach. III am...
The people will say, you know, like Bruce
lee, I'm I'm unlike water. He talks about
be like water, go with the flow as
you say. And if you wanna lose an
argument get angry.
That they've actually shown the minute you get
angry, which you no longer like water, you're
like, ice. You know? What happens is your
amygdala gets engaged, which is your primitive brain,
And as soon as you get angry and
get stubborn and I can't believe that north
chicken gadget
at my print almost p brain, which my
amygdala is now in control.
I have no access for left and right
brain. I have no access to come across
looking like a temperate, moderate
intellectual guy. I'm now, like,
angry caveman man attacking and like the bull,
I can only go forward. I'm not able
to go sideways. And I come across like
an idiot,
And what happens is anytime we're in fight
of flight, what happens is we have no
control over left and right. We have no
wisdom. I can't think about past.
Solutions. And you've won. And in a football
game, you make someone angry, you make bad
decisions. In boxing, you make someone angry, now
they're gonna lose a fight. George Foreman lost
the fight in the jungle in the rumble
in the jungle because Muhammad Ali made it
mad by whispering in his ear, and he
and he any he gassed out and he
beat him in 19 75.
So by being moderate by being temperate,
and 1 of those ways obviously he's by
staying calm, focusing on the gratitude. But by
eating fermented foods, it foster
good flo, which now make... They say about
out of the out of the thousands of
meta in our body, 40 percent are made
in the Gi tract,
So something about stable gut health
that makes the best neurotransmitters like ga
and serotonin
and melatonin. So So,
eating diverse foods,
eating fermented foods,
kimchi,
Kombucha,
definitely lends yourself to diverse gut health, which
are responsible for 40 percent of the circulating
meta.
That's a massive. Almost half the meta circulating
your my body is made in the gut.
So people have more stable gut health will
have better meta.
Yeah. Gut health is absolutely major. And 1
thing I wanna try to tie in with
that right now that because I've talked about
sleep. For for years on this show because
I I am a fur... Because I was
diagnosed with, obstructive sleep apnea about, 4 or,
5 years ago. And, once I got treated.
It's a world of difference. I mean, I'm
a different person totally, And I'm sure I
don't have that you know that.
I don't have to explain the importance of
sleep. But how does
how does gut health and sleep? How did
the 2 of them tie in together if
at all?
We a great question and and... He surprised
how there's the unified force in, you know,
we talked about unified theory, Albert einstein and
Steven Hawk talked about unified theory.
Every living organism has a circadian rhythm.
And, like, the earth turns are 24 hours
to go completely circle. We have a circadian
rhythm, 24 hours actually in 15 minutes. Worms
out a circadian rhythm. Animals out of a
cd k rhythm. This biological
cock this cycle. Guess what? That's Bacteria have
a circulating any rhythm. There's a light and
dark cycle. Bacteria no, 03:00 in the morning.
Why are you up? 01:00 in the morning,
why are you up? These bacteria like it
when you rest,
and they've actually shown now that during dreaming,
these bacteria often come alive and the impact
the party brain called the insular cortex.
These bacteria almost come alive when you're dreaming.
And what they're doing is they're helping you
process emotion and process memory,
So gut flo,
bacteria, have a light dark circadian rhythm. So
if someone shift worker, they call shift work...
The graveyard shift because people live up to
10 years shorter lives. So there's something about
circadian rhythm,
disruption,
that disrupts the gut, and now they don't
make serotonin. They can't make as much ga,
and you you have more emotionally triggered. People
who drink before bed you know, an out
glass of wine might help you get to
sleep quicker, but you don't dream as much.
So you become more emotionally triggered, like alcoholic
often are triggered.
So there's something about gut health and circadian
rhythm and the light dark cycle that if
you don't respect it, you will have a
shorter life. You will have more... Chronic illnesses.
So this is is this is powerful conversation.
Like, this is this is a Phd right
here. We're talking about the subject it it's
Phd. This is
This is powerful stuff. Like, I'm getting excited
about it, and I know this stuff, you
know, so. I'm gonna take some notes. I'm
thinking some notes as I'm talking, you know,
something. I love it when you start taking
notes when you're own when you're owning,
that's a beautiful thing. So, just circle back,
which,
you know, again, many people, most people that
are watching or listing today. They're here because
they want to improve their mental.
Mental health. And and you know, they they
may have
tried Ss i's or or similar in the
past, and now they're
thinking about or maybe even using, a micro
dosing, magic mushrooms or something like that. I
mean, and we've be talking about gut health
and and more on this show, but what
would be some some... The most important takeaways
right now. Somebody's listing. They're... Okay. They they
get it. They get the thing about Gut
health, But They really still that they're here
because they wanna improve their mental health. What
are a few takeaways that they you say
they should be doing of starting
immediately to improve their mental health?
1... When even to talk about food being
expensive, and I consider food investment, You know,
cancer is expensive. A stroke is expensive. Okay
Alzheimer's is expensive, God it. So don't talk
about healthy food, healthy food is an investment.
So buy the most the best foods you
can afford.
And
yeah can't... You'll you'll actually stack the back
in favor of not getting cancer. So... But
I would say, you know, when you start
talking about what... Food to buy, I guess,
very overwhelming and, you know, the 72000
products in a in a in a whole
food store. I would say
learn to be more mindful as you eat,
So it's was like you said, eat a
little slower
and bring some intention to your eat. So
as you're eating an apple, think man, I
have teeth.
I have saliva. I'm biting into the skin
which has fiber.
I this this apple is gonna become my
lungs, my knee,
my meniscus.
I'm investing in my health with this apple.
That's a different digestion of that, you know,
hundred calorie piece of fruit
then someone just scarves it down. Oh, I'm
just gonna have a fruit roll up,
more processed,
it might be an apple fruit roll up,
but it's not an apple. You know, you've
changed the... Look at the ingredients. There's 10
ingredients on a fruit roll up compared to
apple. So Would say 1 thing people to
do for sure would be to eat slower
and eat with want more mindful
intention. That'd be the first 1.
2,
get to bed on time. If you wanna
have good gut health, there's lots of new
scientists, some really good books on sleep and
the power of physiology. But by sleeping better,
sleeping deeper,
sleeping in the dark, in a cool room,
there's as new talk on having dark sheets
there's actually not only light receptors in our
eyes obviously, but there's light receptors down our
skin. So I've changed all my sheets to
gray sheets and black sheets. I know I'm
I'm single and I got this
I don't have the tiger skin leopard skin
sheets. I I want black sheets want gray
sheets. Right? It foster a deeper sleep experience.
So that'll will help with gut health and
make me less emotionally triggered.
3, when I'm eating, be more mindful about
the conversations.
And keep it on gratitude, Keep it on,
things that you enjoy? Ask people about, what
did they learn from today? What are your
plans for tomorrow? You know? So those will
be 3 easy things some would do without
having to buy something? I know we're in
a very product driven world, but eating more
mindful eating slower, and and folks that on
the value of sleep to have better emotional
health could definitely send your, you know, viewers
well on their way. To a healthier life,
better skin, better digestion.
Yeah. And the good thing like you just
said, they don't have to spend a lot
of money doing this. These thing is you
could just do kind of... Organically and naturally.
That's so that's beautiful. Thanks so much for
that. Now you and I have, again, we've
known each other for quite some time spoken
on the same stage,
cross paths many times across north of, you've
written books. You've been on Tv,
speaker or podcast podcasts all kind of things.
What is
next for you. What do what do you
what do you... What do you... What's going
on these days and and what do you
see yourself doing more in the future? Yeah.
Actually, I'm I'm a student in 2 weeks,
I'm gonna go Vegas. I'm taking a course.
With an Invisalign conference. I'm a student. I
love being a student.
I'm a teacher student. I... In a conversation,
I'm not the master every time, You know,
would say that I think, every master was
first a disaster. So I... I don't mind
being a student. I love learning. It's a
2 way street. Right? It's a 2 way
street. I'm gonna be learning in 2 weeks
in Vegas.
And
I don't know. I'm gonna... I'm gonna work
out a little bit later. I am gonna
go to the gym. I'm gonna enjoy some
patience. I went to yoga last night. And
and I've gotten rid of that goal oriented
to focus. I think a lot of
alpha male, psychology is goals and, you know,
crushing it, You crushed it. Or you killed
it on stage. What the hell? There's was
no blood sacrifice. So I'm... I've been enjoying
some Illuminati circle on stage. You crushed it.
You killed it. You know, break a leg,
talk about violence, you know, So I'm a
new fan of purpose.
And
right now talking to you, your kindred spirit,
we're in different countries.
I... I've never been happier. Like, I'm sharing
with someone I care about
viewers are gonna take away stuff that's gonna
enhance our lives. If if this was my
last moment,
I would go home happy. So
I'm not just being cliche about it. I'm
saying, I... I... My focus now is to
go moment by moment happiness.
Getting a text and go oh my god.
I can't believe she remembered that. And I'm
happy in that moment, driving to work with
the windows down, getting some sun on my
arm and I'm having the sunroof roof open.
That's a beautiful drive. Listen to an audiobook.
So you might think ou just a little
bit polly, but, hey, my my mother who
passed away at 92, 8 years ago, talked
about embracing moment by moment and we talk
about these big goals, like Lebron James, the
company is gonna play with the sun in
the Nba.
Moment by moment, we live life slice at
a time.
So this slice with you has been beautiful.
And my next plan is has to enjoy
my next slice. But right now I I've
enjoy this conversation, and that's... Might seem poly.
But, man, These road cut of glasses are...
They fit really well for me. No. I
am so glad I've had you, and I
I have thoroughly enjoyed this conversation, and and
my next question is,
I hope you say yes, But would you
like to come back in the future we'd
talk about more things health related. I would
love to have you back if you're okay
with that? Yeah. For sure. I I love
sharing. The science is changing all the time
at there's so many tip topics. We can
go...
You can do a Phd and breadth
can take a Phd and water impact on
the body. I remember listening to a nutrition
talk about l, which is 1 of the
20 amino acids
He talked about... His Phd was on... He
studied it for 2 years. It's 1 amino
acid. So
we can go deep into somebody many in
the top. I know you got a vast
interest, you rail red, you've traveled. So between
the 2 of us, we can definitely generate
some good thought and
generate some good feelings and and help the
viewers live longer and happier. So this is...
I'd I'd more than love to be back
for sure. That sounds beautiful Let's absolutely plan
on that and last, but
totally not least if somebody wants to get
in touch with you ask your question, find
out little more about you, what's the best
way they can do that?
On my website, You know, as obviously, the
name is a little challenging, but if they
go to doctor dot com. So DRUCHE
dot com. So DRUCHE
dot com.
They'll find me. There's email there. There's a
messaging. They can see what I've done. Some
pictures, and videos.
If you use a Google, Uc, uc c
e.
Fitness, dentist, you will find me. So that
I I cannot hide online. Like,
I I've... I I love sharing it. I'm
I'm list... I'm writing. I'm speaking,
you can't help but find me that. I'm
Instagram. Put Uc gucci. Uc e dentist.
I am that guide. You'll see my bearded
face, the tooth to tooth, you know,
G, my my tooth whitening shade, You know,
they'll they'll see me. So I'm available.
And we'll make it even easier be as
for my na come. And I used the
word na a lot. I know if you
know that it's it's a chat. So you
might like this. It's a Japanese words that
means kinda like our our tribe, our... There's
no there's no exact
translation, but our tribe, our family, our group
of people that all are we're all like
minded, So I'm gonna... For our our na
come here. I'm gonna also put your... I'm
gonna put your information in show notes as
well so people will absolutely find you. So,
hey, listen, I wanna thank you so much
for being here. Great to see you again
after after a little bit of time here,
You're looking great even though you won't reveal
your age and I... All. Keep a. Keep
the mess see. Right? But you bet. Totally
good there, But thanks for being on the
show today, and we'll we'll we will definitely
have you back, which. Thanks so much.
Pleasure.