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Hey there. I'm doctor Dave, and this is

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Micro dose. Thanks so much for being with

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me today. So many of you have issues

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with some type of a job of

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relationship, the work that you're doing that, you're

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not really in line with, but you might

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not even be recognizing this. And if you

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continue this,

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They are surely wreak havoc on your mental

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health and a lot more.

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So how do you recognize this? How do

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you recognize a something going on in your

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life is not really working for you. And

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then if you find that out, what do

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you really do about it? Well, today, I'm

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gonna be having a great discussion with Jake

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S. He's a local

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Salt Lake City psychedelic

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We're doing this in a local tea shop.

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So please,

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bear with me if the sound quality is

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not studio quality. The information you're gonna get

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from this is really, really gonna be valuable.

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So stick with it. Oh, and, also, I'm

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gonna be putting Jake's contact

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information and anything you need to know in

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the show notes. So please be sure to

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check that all out. Welcome Jake.

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Enter the world of magic mushrooms

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We're gonna help people today, because I wanna

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kinda get into your story and your life

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and find out what you're doing, how you

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got to where you are now. So I

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don't know if you wanna start with just

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with just that, it's not really much of

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a question, but

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tell me kind of about what what Jake

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is is up to these days and and

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And how did you get there?? I think

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it's probably best to start an abbreviated version

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at the beginning?

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I'm originally an East Coast kid Jersey boy.

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Born raised out there and never quite

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identified with the culture out there was

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so a lot of people. There's a lot

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of energies.

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I'm grateful to be raised there. I think

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it grounded me well.

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fell into

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the normal rhythm of things out there went

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to school in Connecticut and then immediately after

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graduating

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and entered the rat race if you will.

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reasons, but also it was

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quite taxing. So I was working sales jobs

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at that point without really knowing it. Just

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gonna chasing paychecks and more money, nicer apartment,

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more things,

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really kind of living it what to me

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was a bit of an empty existence.

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had quite severe depression and anxiety,

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ended up kinda hidden

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hitting the red button,

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leaving my

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my job,

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which many would say was

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you know, it was a very good job

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based on the money I was making and

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the perks of it, but I was very

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unhappy there and ending a relationship that seemed

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to be wilt.

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Getting rid of my apartment. And at that

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point, put a 1 way ticket get Australia,

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that resulted in a year of

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budget, solo travel,

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which is probably 1 of the most pivotal

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moments in my life, and that culminated

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in an experience in Amsterdam, the very last

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day before I be back to New York.

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Where I was reintroduced to magic mushrooms in

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the form of troubles as they call it

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in Amsterdam.

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was quite into Psychedelics early in life,

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my first experience that was 14,

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and really loved

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the recreational side of them doing them with

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in Amsterdam, I had about a 5 year

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break from them,

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looking back. I realized it I was

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I was quite afraid to face myself in

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the mirror as they are the great amplifier.

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But... Yeah. I'm making a a long story

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not short. But ended up having experience there.

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It was wonderful. I, I came back state

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side, and

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at that point, was truly following my heart.

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That brought me to a job working wilderness

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therapy out in Utah,

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working with

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troubled adolescence 13 to 17 down in the

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desert,

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which was my first

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experience working a job that truly build my

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soul.

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Continue to work jobs in the mental health

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industry,

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to get where I am eventually working filled

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guide or a facilitator facilitating therapeutic experiences

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And that's where I am now. So I

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soul passage.

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I have been accepted into a network like

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folks

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under the named psychedelic passage. About 25.

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Facilitator nationwide the network of facilitator, which

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has been extremely

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beneficial to me in my practice to

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to open up into the the wider world

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of

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facilitation and have some

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some people to bounce ideas off. So, yeah,

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that's where I'm at these days.

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a lot of parallels, A lot in... Common.

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No, I've got... How how old are you

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right now, Jake? I I know you said

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you're were 25 when you... I think you

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said 25 when you took off to Australia

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or something. How old are you now?

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a few moments months away from 33

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at this point. Okay. Well, I wanna be...

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May I be the first to wish you

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a happy birthday early.

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common as far as

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east Coast people.

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Holding jobs that seemed like they were... To

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most people seem like very successful and and

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really good jobs that most people were say,

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oh, you've got a great job like that

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Why why would you ever leave? But something

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inside of both of us

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felt like. Say it wasn't it wasn't really

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right. It wasn't really resonating with with me

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and it it sounds like it wasn't resonating

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with you. So we... We we

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I've gotta do something different. Now this happened

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to me much later in life. I would

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look, I was a,

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a dentist and,

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a a dental speaker

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people would say that would, you know, quite

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successful in the East Coast. But, like, you

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the East Coast like, I love out west

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here now, and

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we're gonna we're gonna sell everything we we

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own and just move out west. Now we

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didn't go to Australia first. Didn't go to

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Amsterdam first. We just moved out west,

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but you you you had some other stuff

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before you came with. I'm and I'm just

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curious,

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when you went to Amsterdam,

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what made you

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get into Psychedelics again? Was it was it

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not recreation at this point? Were you were

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you searching for

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or a way to change your life and

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get out of this depression and anxiety or

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whatever whatever exactly it was you had. Why

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did you why did you decide to get

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into truffle out there?

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I had avoided them for so long.

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I wasn't able to smoke marijuana anymore and

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years at that point, and there was a

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switch that was flipped.

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Into where I was extremely paranoid

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anxious when I would.

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I had some traumas that were,

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unspoken for at that point. And

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marijuana obviously an traditional psychedelic, but

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along with the the long list of hall

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eugenics is an amplifier into emotions, and I

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wasn't quite sure how to deal with my

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emotions. I think you pair that with the

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back that I was living a very misaligned

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did not want to face myself and look

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myself in the mirror

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because I I think I would've have been

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It was only after the year of travel,

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a full year of working on myself, and

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a lot of times spent alone and

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a time having beautiful experiences with strangers and

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to look at myself in mirror again. And

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1 of the most profound experiences of my

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life truly felt like, a rebirth.

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with the ethos being

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follow your heart,

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truly listen

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to what it is, your your mind body

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and soul needs.

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from there, things have just fallen in place

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in a way that

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I've never questioned it

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again.

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It truly changed my my perspective in my

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thinking and for that, I'm

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forever, grateful.

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the main reason that you have

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dedicated your life to helping others now

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that may be in a assembler.

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Situation or experienced

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trauma or or some other type of mental

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health issue. You're

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helping them

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find themselves and and and and get out

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of that, get out of that, with their

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end with their call up with. Yeah. It's

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absolutely 1 of the reasons if I

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if I could find some realign, I would

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hope that others can, and I just know

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from a personal experience when I was misaligned.

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I was crank.

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I wasn't living in my gifts, and I'm

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a believer that if you're not living in

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your gifts, you're not able to contribute

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as much as you can

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to the world,

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if And, yeah, I'm I'm just a Bieber

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if everyone is living in their Dicks and

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everyone is contributing to their fullest extent the

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world. Of course, it would make sense. Logically,

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it would be a little bit of a

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better place.

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So, yeah, I would say that is 1

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of my...

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My hopes,

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and the clients I I work with is

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to uncover,

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some gems that they already have and planting

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the ground just kinda ex them and shine

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them up and hopefully, yeah. Let them shine

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bright, and

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see where life takes them from there. But

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a lot of people are are listening or

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watching this episode on on video or or

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audio, if they wanna see us, they can

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watch the video. But...

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And and many of them, I'm I'm sure

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or are like you and I used to

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be. Or if You know, they're going to

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a job every day that

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appears to be successful. They've got their family.

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They've got their friends. They're doing their their

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their stuff. How do how does somebody really

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know

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if they're aligned with what they're doing? I

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mean, I knew... Okay. So I knew in

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my heart. I I've gotta say it is

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from the day I started dental school, I

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knew in my heart from day 1

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that this really wasn't for me. I was...

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It wasn't a perfect alignment with me. However,

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being, you know,

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20 in your twenties,

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it's very hard to say that your family

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and to your friends into, you know, to

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your spouse or whoever.

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I'm

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I'm in the wrong place. I I gotta

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get out. It's it's very difficult. So we

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just... We just go with the program And

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then 1 thing leads to another and all

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of a sudden,

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I'm sitting at a dental office treating patients.

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There are many other people, in that situation,

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watching or listening, and, you know, they may

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not be dentist, but they may be something

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else

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how does 1 truly know

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if

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they're doing what they're what they're meant to

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do or what they're aligned with? Thanks it's

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not. Easy. You live in a world

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full of distractions,

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and some would say a world

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telling us the wrong messaging to

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make money so that you could buy this

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or

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make money so that you could compare yourself

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to the... This person,

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and it's extremely difficult.

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My... In my own story, I I didn't

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know my... I to College were out 17.

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And I had to choose a major and

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I only knew 2 pass my mom was

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a psychologist, and my dad was in sales.

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My dad made more money.

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I knew I had all these student debts

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so and that probably sure what was psychology

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looking at my path now.

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But I went with business kind of business

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sticker in, and and Fell into a a

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path of working with sales. And at that

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point, I wasn't

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at all

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I knowing to think I knew the word

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alignment or being att or I wasn't listening

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really to anything. It was just, like, what

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I was living from a place of scarce.

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Be. I knew that I needed money and

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what was gonna make me money was working

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sales, joe.

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And

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see

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I could also speak to where I'm currently,

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I think the path of

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listening to your heart and

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decipher what the right path is

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continuous, and it takes

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constant practice, and it will forever take practice

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because I still have moments

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where I...

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You know, I'm I'm running my own business

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facilitating, and I

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so build up with the zest of life

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doing so. And when I work with clients,

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it feels so right. But I am running

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my own business and sometimes I have great

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moss, sometimes I have slower months. And when

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I have those slower months and I have

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bills. I'm like, wow I could go back

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to a job and and make this much

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money, but it is...

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And that again is is

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operating from that scarcity mindset

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verse

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sitting with myself and reminding myself of my

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purpose and why I do what I do

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and being open to the magic and and

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letting it flow freely,

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But, yeah, All to say, it's it's constant

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work and it's,

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a constant practice of...

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Listening to what's around, but also really tuning

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in with yourself and,

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determining...

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Why you're taking the actions that you're that

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you're doing, or why you're able be thinking

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the thoughts that you're thinking. You know, and

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also to add to that,

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what we do for a living is is

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major, of course, but but also, there are

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many people and including myself in my first

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marriage,

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that there are in relationships. And they...

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On some level probably say, well, you know,

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it's not perfect, and I'm gonna... You know,

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it's it's not great, but there's nothing else...

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There's, you know, there's nobody else out there

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for me or there's nothing else I can

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do. So

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I'm finding that,

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you

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so many people that that are not aligned

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with their with what they're doing for a

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living or not aligned with their relationship.

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Just tend to stay in the same thing

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day after day because they're

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afraid of the unknown. Look, I I could

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get out of this relationship, but

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I'm afraid of what might happen. The least

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I know this might not be great, but

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I know what it is. If it's I

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I know exactly what it is. So I'm

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okay. Continuing it. And same thing with work.

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And many other things.

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And and it sounds like that's where you

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were, and that's where I was as well,

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and both of us

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both of his had that had the guts,

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just say no. This is this is not

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working. And I'm... I need to change. But

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I but I still feel, Jake that most

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people

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don't have that don't have that courage to

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say that I'm just gonna... I'm gonna change

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my entire life because this isn't working for

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me. I get it.

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I think it is is... I mean, it's

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it's scary and

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courage may even be an understanding statement like

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it.

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I I only could... Because I was in

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such a dark place. It was kinda rock

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bottom, and I was at a pivotal moment

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in my life for my him, I'm 25,

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like, I can make some changes and see

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how things play out. And if they don't

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work, I can always go back and get

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a job like this. And But it's scary.

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I was extremely blessed to be in that

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situation and be from a place of.

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Opportunity enough to to give me the leeway

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to say. Things will work out.

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Not everyone has that. So I get that,

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people are in different situations and have different

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responsibilities.

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What I will say is it seems that

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when you're living,

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in a

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if 1 thing is misaligned to your job.

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And then from there, also your relationship and

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maybe the way you take care of your

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body, there's this like, trickle down a effect

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where everything just kind of forms into 1

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or, like, well, what what's the point of

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fixing 1 thing? If if I hate my

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job or I'm in an unhappy relationship. And

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the same is true to where if you

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are listening to,

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your soul and and living your purpose. If

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you're working a job that you absolutely love

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and feel very aligned to. Then

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you're probably gonna want a partner that supports

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you and appreciates that and loves up for

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you and your standards are gonna be higher

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because you're

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self confidence is gonna be higher in the

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respect have yourself is gonna be higher. And

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if you respects higher, you probably don't take

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care of your body. So it seems to

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be that domino effect.

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But it is about making

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and finding the courage

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to make that that first step. And I

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think that comes from a confidence

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of

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knowing that things are going to work out.

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And I think that

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the confidence knowing that things are gonna work

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out.

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Comes from... You you need you need some

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reps.

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You need to hear that and see that

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in the universe a few times.

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So, yeah, I understand it not being easy.

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But I think if you if you get

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a little...

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You take that step and you get a

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little feedback,

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it could help. But is there ever a

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situation where... And, again, I'm getting back to

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somebody that's somebody that's listening or watching to

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us right now, and they're saying to themselves.

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Yeah But

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you know, I don't love my job, and

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I'm not... Maybe my relationship, my marriage is

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is not fantastic, but I've got a couple...

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Kids and and I've gotta bring be bringing

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in this money under or we're not gonna

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be able to eat. So I can't make

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any changes at all. Is there is there

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ever a situation where kids somebody realizes they're

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they're not living

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in in a life they're aligned with, but

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they just can't... They they know they can't

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change. They can't do anything different. Is it

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is that is that ever true or

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can we always change no matter what? It

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it's...

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True on so many levels,

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the last client I worked with. I with

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last week.

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And

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won't share any specifics, but he's 34,

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2 young girls about to have his third

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in a relationship. He's not, and he he

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appeals perhaps he gotten in a little too

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early working at job the

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kind of loads at this point. But he

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has your responsibilities he's that have a son

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that's actually due today.

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I think they're inducing tomorrow.

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So he has a job who responsibilities, and

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I can't just mean.

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Who has no kids, and

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I can't just say, like man just quit

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your job and do what you love. Like

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he has

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responsibility is still above too, and I I

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understand that.

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But at the same time, I think it's

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important to take

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a few steps because

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he came to the realization that he is

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so misaligned that he has been attaching his

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identity so much to this relationship he's been

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in, since he was 16,

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that he kinda of forgot who he is,

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and I think the first step for him

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is not to make a drastic move.

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I would agree that would probably,

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be ill advise.

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00:20:16,225 --> 00:20:17,903
A first step maybe is to take some

551
00:20:17,903 --> 00:20:18,143
time.

552
00:20:18,942 --> 00:20:21,260
Maybe go down to the desert just him.

553
00:20:22,314 --> 00:20:25,110
For 3 days and just sit. Just be

554
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:25,429
quiet.

555
00:20:26,148 --> 00:20:28,065
Leave your phone, maybe take a couple books.

556
00:20:28,545 --> 00:20:28,759
Just

557
00:20:29,355 --> 00:20:31,736
realign with yourself and remind yourself who you

558
00:20:31,736 --> 00:20:33,719
are and then take those necessary steps from

559
00:20:33,719 --> 00:20:35,624
there, perhaps he gets insights that, you know,

560
00:20:35,783 --> 00:20:37,945
I should probably to start running, just and

561
00:20:37,945 --> 00:20:39,144
who knows from running,

562
00:20:39,865 --> 00:20:41,865
then he starts to eat healthier and starts

563
00:20:41,865 --> 00:20:44,025
to feel better and maybe a lot of

564
00:20:44,025 --> 00:20:44,825
the the mental,

565
00:20:45,318 --> 00:20:47,469
issues that he has. The depression anxiety start

566
00:20:47,469 --> 00:20:49,700
to take care of themselves with physical fitness

567
00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:52,112
and eating a healthy gut

568
00:20:53,144 --> 00:20:55,325
So, yeah, I'm a firm believer in

569
00:20:55,785 --> 00:20:58,984
taking just a small step, open up.

570
00:20:59,877 --> 00:21:01,783
The window a little bit, let a little

571
00:21:01,783 --> 00:21:02,180
light in.

572
00:21:04,881 --> 00:21:06,628
And then I I think that a lot

573
00:21:06,628 --> 00:21:08,693
of my clients are... They're at the point.

574
00:21:08,852 --> 00:21:10,323
They're that coming to sit

575
00:21:10,701 --> 00:21:12,377
with the medicine that I work with.

576
00:21:13,894 --> 00:21:16,049
They're at the point where they... It's it's

577
00:21:16,049 --> 00:21:18,779
drastic and they need a change that and

578
00:21:18,779 --> 00:21:20,220
they need a little bit of a push.

579
00:21:22,779 --> 00:21:23,519
Just to

580
00:21:23,820 --> 00:21:25,579
to open up that window and let them

581
00:21:25,579 --> 00:21:27,349
light in on some of my shows in

582
00:21:27,349 --> 00:21:29,182
the past, I've said to people, and I'm

583
00:21:29,182 --> 00:21:30,616
a firm believer in this also.

584
00:21:31,652 --> 00:21:33,484
And even if you're in a great relationship,

585
00:21:33,643 --> 00:21:34,838
and and you love your job.

586
00:21:36,127 --> 00:21:37,343
Take some time

587
00:21:37,796 --> 00:21:40,260
by yourself. And that doesn't mean just go

588
00:21:40,260 --> 00:21:41,850
after dinner by yourself and then come home.

589
00:21:42,009 --> 00:21:42,724
It means... I mean,

590
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:44,258
go somewhere

591
00:21:45,282 --> 00:21:47,187
drive or fly or whatever you have to

592
00:21:47,187 --> 00:21:47,266
do,

593
00:21:48,219 --> 00:21:50,441
stay in a hotel or camp out or

594
00:21:50,441 --> 00:21:53,059
backpack or whatever you whatever you do, But

595
00:21:53,059 --> 00:21:53,377
b,

596
00:21:53,869 --> 00:21:54,769
ins sol,

597
00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:57,250
be with yourself and just think

598
00:21:57,869 --> 00:21:58,690
and just

599
00:21:59,150 --> 00:22:00,769
clear your mind and

600
00:22:01,482 --> 00:22:04,448
think about life, think about yourself. And and

601
00:22:04,823 --> 00:22:06,096
interesting that you just say that, I think

602
00:22:06,096 --> 00:22:08,419
that's 1 of the most powerful things that

603
00:22:08,419 --> 00:22:10,334
we can do. Again, even if you're even

604
00:22:10,334 --> 00:22:11,769
if things are really good in your life.

605
00:22:11,929 --> 00:22:14,344
I for example, I've... My marriage

606
00:22:15,121 --> 00:22:17,049
is great. And, you know, I, look, but

607
00:22:17,129 --> 00:22:18,325
I was in a bad marriage at first.

608
00:22:18,484 --> 00:22:20,079
And so I know I know both ways.

609
00:22:21,674 --> 00:22:23,428
But even though things are so good in

610
00:22:23,428 --> 00:22:25,277
my life right now. I said to my

611
00:22:25,277 --> 00:22:26,314
wife a few weeks ago.

612
00:22:27,192 --> 00:22:28,866
I'm gonna I'm gonna go Las Vegas, and

613
00:22:28,946 --> 00:22:30,621
I'm gonna just hang by myself, and I'm

614
00:22:30,621 --> 00:22:32,775
gonna see some shows and and just spend

615
00:22:32,775 --> 00:22:33,732
time by myself.

616
00:22:34,624 --> 00:22:36,715
And you know, I saw a sold

617
00:22:37,090 --> 00:22:39,794
good concert or 2. And and those are

618
00:22:39,794 --> 00:22:40,828
the kind of things that like,

619
00:22:41,798 --> 00:22:44,344
kind of almost rejuvenate my life, like, getting

620
00:22:44,344 --> 00:22:46,413
me back to... Even though I'm I'm always

621
00:22:46,413 --> 00:22:48,721
passionate. It just... It gets gets things even

622
00:22:48,721 --> 00:22:49,039
better.

623
00:22:49,914 --> 00:22:50,414
So

624
00:22:51,044 --> 00:22:53,038
Jake, I think this... I think this great

625
00:22:53,038 --> 00:22:55,032
advice that you gave your client. Just go

626
00:22:55,032 --> 00:22:56,148
down to the desert for a little while.

627
00:22:56,387 --> 00:22:57,265
Just just think.

628
00:22:57,823 --> 00:22:58,062
Think.

629
00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:01,190
Sit by yourself, sit with yourself. I think

630
00:23:01,190 --> 00:23:03,829
it's an extremely powerful tool that people,

631
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:04,970
especially

632
00:23:05,349 --> 00:23:08,230
in today's society don't take advantage of where...

633
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:09,109
I mean, if you look,

634
00:23:10,324 --> 00:23:11,302
is threw throughout

635
00:23:11,999 --> 00:23:14,872
civilization, think of a think of agriculture and

636
00:23:14,872 --> 00:23:16,867
how many people were farmers. How many people

637
00:23:16,867 --> 00:23:17,926
were out there

638
00:23:18,239 --> 00:23:21,589
tending the fields in sal for the entire

639
00:23:21,589 --> 00:23:22,785
day, just listening,

640
00:23:23,423 --> 00:23:25,338
listening to the wind, the listening to their

641
00:23:25,338 --> 00:23:27,911
own thoughts, and we are in a

642
00:23:28,382 --> 00:23:29,279
in a place

643
00:23:30,525 --> 00:23:31,343
in human

644
00:23:33,145 --> 00:23:36,162
society where it's... We're always reaching for a

645
00:23:36,162 --> 00:23:38,088
distraction, We don't even and Eye I fall

646
00:23:38,088 --> 00:23:39,847
victim too where I don't even give myself

647
00:23:39,847 --> 00:23:42,504
to full time to let a thought form

648
00:23:42,564 --> 00:23:44,561
and I've reached for my phone because I'm

649
00:23:44,561 --> 00:23:44,801
bored.

650
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:46,020
And

651
00:23:46,574 --> 00:23:48,809
when I'm doing that, I know that I'm

652
00:23:48,809 --> 00:23:50,644
not in a great place, and I need

653
00:23:50,644 --> 00:23:52,879
to delete whatever apps are distracting me.

654
00:23:54,076 --> 00:23:54,576
I

655
00:23:54,968 --> 00:23:58,140
I think that being alone is a superpower

656
00:23:58,140 --> 00:24:00,440
that we all have they could teach ourselves.

657
00:24:01,153 --> 00:24:01,653
And

658
00:24:02,913 --> 00:24:06,120
to do it right. It's gonna hurt. It's

659
00:24:06,257 --> 00:24:08,566
going to suck for a little bit. It's

660
00:24:08,566 --> 00:24:10,260
gonna be painful. And

661
00:24:11,129 --> 00:24:13,920
you need to push past that pain to

662
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,073
get the benefits. Just like meditation. Right? Or,

663
00:24:16,153 --> 00:24:18,147
like, meditation kinda of sucks at first. But

664
00:24:18,147 --> 00:24:19,423
if you keep doing it, you start to

665
00:24:19,423 --> 00:24:20,141
build the practice,

666
00:24:20,634 --> 00:24:21,589
start to drill that muscle.

667
00:24:22,623 --> 00:24:24,056
And it was something that I first learned

668
00:24:24,056 --> 00:24:26,068
when I did do that solo trip, and

669
00:24:26,205 --> 00:24:28,354
I was alone a lot. And I I

670
00:24:28,354 --> 00:24:30,240
felt what loneliness this was. I was some

671
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:31,720
comfortable and it pushed me out of my

672
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,480
comfort zone and allowed me to go and

673
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,500
talk to people in hostel and develop these

674
00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:38,050
interpersonal skills that I didn't ask for. But

675
00:24:38,050 --> 00:24:39,795
also, let me just be alone and be

676
00:24:39,795 --> 00:24:42,490
with my thoughts, and I became very okay

677
00:24:42,490 --> 00:24:43,466
with myself

678
00:24:43,917 --> 00:24:44,655
because ultimately,

679
00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:47,836
that's all we have is is ourselves and

680
00:24:47,836 --> 00:24:50,793
our our consciousness and our thoughts. So if

681
00:24:50,793 --> 00:24:52,471
you could be okay with yourself, I think

682
00:24:52,471 --> 00:24:53,510
there's a lot of power there.

683
00:24:54,722 --> 00:24:56,817
1 last thing I'll say on that is

684
00:24:58,071 --> 00:24:58,629
I've been...

685
00:25:00,623 --> 00:25:02,138
So I got a lot of my own

686
00:25:02,138 --> 00:25:04,702
personal healing down and the desert, and it

687
00:25:04,702 --> 00:25:06,292
was also what I kind of, I've learned

688
00:25:06,292 --> 00:25:07,031
to heal

689
00:25:08,202 --> 00:25:08,702
working

690
00:25:09,236 --> 00:25:09,736
with

691
00:25:10,682 --> 00:25:11,898
teenagers and

692
00:25:12,273 --> 00:25:14,183
you're down the San Rafael swell for a

693
00:25:14,183 --> 00:25:16,251
wilderness therapy program called elements,

694
00:25:17,524 --> 00:25:19,846
and it was a tremendous experience. And it

695
00:25:19,846 --> 00:25:21,301
taught me the power

696
00:25:21,676 --> 00:25:24,939
of quiet. And in that time, they were

697
00:25:24,939 --> 00:25:27,246
stripped from all creature comforts, including their phone,

698
00:25:27,485 --> 00:25:28,201
no music.

699
00:25:28,614 --> 00:25:29,890
They were we were just out there in

700
00:25:29,890 --> 00:25:31,406
the desert. They were out there for about

701
00:25:31,406 --> 00:25:33,480
3 months at a time. Us as mentors

702
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:34,596
should do 8 day shifts.

703
00:25:36,271 --> 00:25:37,787
It was it was pretty rugged.

704
00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:39,099
And

705
00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:42,598
the stillness

706
00:25:44,165 --> 00:25:46,096
taught me that this is always at our

707
00:25:46,153 --> 00:25:47,743
fingertips. It's just a matter of if we

708
00:25:47,743 --> 00:25:48,141
want it.

709
00:25:48,953 --> 00:25:51,665
And recently, I've been going on my own,

710
00:25:52,862 --> 00:25:55,016
for lack better term vision quests.

711
00:25:55,988 --> 00:25:56,488
Where

712
00:25:57,263 --> 00:25:58,857
I go back down to the swell as

713
00:25:58,857 --> 00:26:01,249
swell. Sin rafael swell here in Central Utah

714
00:26:01,249 --> 00:26:01,749
very

715
00:26:02,763 --> 00:26:03,263
healing

716
00:26:03,972 --> 00:26:04,686
place for me.

717
00:26:06,748 --> 00:26:09,071
So I go down there 3 days fasted

718
00:26:09,761 --> 00:26:10,261
and

719
00:26:12,078 --> 00:26:14,414
feeling very clean and very clear

720
00:26:15,111 --> 00:26:15,611
and

721
00:26:16,069 --> 00:26:17,926
sit with my own medicine and then

722
00:26:18,463 --> 00:26:20,714
eventually break my ass and then what ends

723
00:26:20,714 --> 00:26:22,871
up being a pretty spiritual practice for me.

724
00:26:23,749 --> 00:26:26,146
Re my body and giving myself those nutrients,

725
00:26:26,465 --> 00:26:26,965
but

726
00:26:27,918 --> 00:26:28,717
talk about

727
00:26:29,915 --> 00:26:32,472
Stein never never coming in quite so clear.

728
00:26:32,632 --> 00:26:34,324
Than when I I go down fast it

729
00:26:34,324 --> 00:26:36,557
with the intention showing up for myself saying,

730
00:26:36,637 --> 00:26:37,913
you know what, I'm not gonna eat a

731
00:26:37,913 --> 00:26:39,747
thing for 3 days. I'm gonna show my

732
00:26:39,747 --> 00:26:40,247
devotion

733
00:26:40,704 --> 00:26:43,357
to myself and to my spirit, and

734
00:26:43,749 --> 00:26:46,065
to whatever God that I or anyone else

735
00:26:46,065 --> 00:26:46,464
believes in.

736
00:26:48,619 --> 00:26:50,695
That for me seems to be the quickest

737
00:26:50,695 --> 00:26:53,010
way to realign and to remember.

738
00:26:53,584 --> 00:26:54,142
Who I am.

739
00:26:55,259 --> 00:26:57,411
I... It's... It's a bit extreme for sure.

740
00:26:57,571 --> 00:26:59,405
So I wouldn't recommend it for everyone,

741
00:27:00,282 --> 00:27:01,797
but it's something that I'm very passionate about,

742
00:27:01,956 --> 00:27:04,833
and it's it's interesting. It's it's 3 days.

743
00:27:05,627 --> 00:27:07,057
It's really only 1 day down in the

744
00:27:07,057 --> 00:27:09,043
desert lake. I think we could most of

745
00:27:09,043 --> 00:27:10,473
us could find that time.

746
00:27:11,285 --> 00:27:13,285
Again, it's a tool that is at our

747
00:27:13,285 --> 00:27:14,904
fingertips. It's just a matter of,

748
00:27:15,845 --> 00:27:17,204
if you want it, and if you're willing.

749
00:27:17,765 --> 00:27:18,585
I remember

750
00:27:19,936 --> 00:27:22,958
several weeks after I got divorced actually, this

751
00:27:22,958 --> 00:27:25,661
is this is back in 2001.

752
00:27:25,979 --> 00:27:28,524
I think, yeah, 2001. So quite some time

753
00:27:28,524 --> 00:27:28,683
ago.

754
00:27:29,573 --> 00:27:30,765
I just I just talked to you about

755
00:27:30,844 --> 00:27:32,910
Las Vegas, and nobody nobody would in the

756
00:27:32,910 --> 00:27:34,499
right mind would say Las Vegas is a

757
00:27:34,499 --> 00:27:36,350
peaceful place to go to to

758
00:27:36,899 --> 00:27:39,296
meditate and and just be solid it. It's

759
00:27:39,296 --> 00:27:40,494
not. However,

760
00:27:40,974 --> 00:27:41,713
when I

761
00:27:42,651 --> 00:27:44,819
ready Forgot the worst, I packed up my

762
00:27:44,819 --> 00:27:46,806
backpack, and I went at on the Appalachian

763
00:27:46,806 --> 00:27:48,180
trail by myself

764
00:27:48,633 --> 00:27:51,097
for 3 days. And you a 3 days

765
00:27:51,097 --> 00:27:52,868
is not a lot of time, but

766
00:27:53,179 --> 00:27:54,695
I was in it was in the winter.

767
00:27:54,934 --> 00:27:56,610
I remember, They... I was, like, the only

768
00:27:56,610 --> 00:27:58,685
crazy person on this trail backpack packing,

769
00:27:59,324 --> 00:28:01,413
a snowstorm was coming in, but I was

770
00:28:01,413 --> 00:28:04,042
by myself, and I'll never forget this. I

771
00:28:04,042 --> 00:28:05,099
was able to spend

772
00:28:05,635 --> 00:28:08,207
3 full days just in sol

773
00:28:08,663 --> 00:28:10,789
being by myself, and that that helped

774
00:28:12,186 --> 00:28:12,686
incredibly,

775
00:28:13,623 --> 00:28:15,938
no. Now, I didn't fast because when you're

776
00:28:15,938 --> 00:28:17,454
backpack packing for 3 days, I don't think

777
00:28:17,454 --> 00:28:18,811
you wanna fast. You need the energy.

778
00:28:19,544 --> 00:28:20,762
But I do wanna know

779
00:28:21,538 --> 00:28:23,213
it's interesting. So you say you go to

780
00:28:23,213 --> 00:28:25,526
the to the desert and you spend 3

781
00:28:25,526 --> 00:28:26,026
days

782
00:28:26,643 --> 00:28:28,717
without without food or water. Tell me tell

783
00:28:28,717 --> 00:28:30,324
me a little bit about your fast because

784
00:28:30,324 --> 00:28:31,436
I don't I don't think you're... I don't

785
00:28:31,436 --> 00:28:32,946
think you're not drinking anything either. Right?

786
00:28:34,456 --> 00:28:36,125
No. So it's not a dry fast. I

787
00:28:36,125 --> 00:28:36,840
do shrink water.

788
00:28:37,714 --> 00:28:37,794
Okay.

789
00:28:39,162 --> 00:28:40,757
And there are benefits to a dry fast

790
00:28:40,757 --> 00:28:43,549
for sure, but for me being out there

791
00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:44,448
alone. I

792
00:28:44,825 --> 00:28:46,340
I wanna take care of my body now

793
00:28:46,340 --> 00:28:47,536
can get myself enough

794
00:28:48,588 --> 00:28:50,024
nutrients to at least sustain.

795
00:28:50,901 --> 00:28:53,454
So I'm... I'm drinking water, but only only

796
00:28:53,454 --> 00:28:54,650
water, no coffee, no tea.

797
00:28:56,165 --> 00:28:57,601
Nothing that's gonna break that fast.

798
00:28:58,412 --> 00:28:58,912
And

799
00:29:00,789 --> 00:29:01,606
outside of

800
00:29:02,533 --> 00:29:04,832
the physiological benefits of which there are many.

801
00:29:06,433 --> 00:29:08,760
And I feel very much. It's

802
00:29:09,292 --> 00:29:10,109
it's a

803
00:29:10,562 --> 00:29:12,253
it's a practice and devotion

804
00:29:12,706 --> 00:29:14,295
to myself and how much.

805
00:29:15,659 --> 00:29:17,905
I'll show up for myself, and

806
00:29:18,516 --> 00:29:21,373
it's also just a re examination of food,

807
00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:23,198
and I think that, you know,

808
00:29:24,564 --> 00:29:27,506
from food nourishment comes life in life force

809
00:29:27,506 --> 00:29:29,415
and it's very important for us to read

810
00:29:29,415 --> 00:29:32,436
examine what that relationship is because I've had

811
00:29:32,436 --> 00:29:33,255
so many

812
00:29:33,883 --> 00:29:36,431
instances where I'm not feeling great, and I've

813
00:29:36,431 --> 00:29:39,240
just binge eating and just so quickly

814
00:29:39,854 --> 00:29:41,628
eating food. And I'll

815
00:29:42,178 --> 00:29:44,091
a slight example, I grew up in a

816
00:29:44,091 --> 00:29:45,526
non religious household I.

817
00:29:46,483 --> 00:29:48,556
My family is I'm a a of italian

818
00:29:48,556 --> 00:29:50,963
descent. My family's room Catholic now Is baptized,

819
00:29:51,123 --> 00:29:51,682
but that was it.

820
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,156
Parents never found the church it really spoke

821
00:29:54,156 --> 00:29:54,396
to him.

822
00:29:55,673 --> 00:29:58,467
Their their God was the golden rule treat

823
00:29:58,467 --> 00:30:00,796
others the way you'd like to be treated

824
00:30:00,796 --> 00:30:03,191
and always is abide by that, but no

825
00:30:03,191 --> 00:30:07,021
real spirituality. No. No. Church. No organized religion.

826
00:30:07,341 --> 00:30:09,910
And it we'd we never prayed over meals,

827
00:30:11,586 --> 00:30:13,284
and it wasn't until I'm met

828
00:30:14,221 --> 00:30:16,695
my partner, a 4 years now M michele.

829
00:30:17,268 --> 00:30:18,302
That we...

830
00:30:18,938 --> 00:30:21,007
Our life has felt bit like a fairy

831
00:30:21,007 --> 00:30:23,893
tale, and we're extremely grateful in

832
00:30:24,204 --> 00:30:26,525
every moment in K is so good at

833
00:30:26,525 --> 00:30:28,464
slowing down and listening and

834
00:30:30,045 --> 00:30:31,265
practicing gratitude.

835
00:30:31,979 --> 00:30:34,616
That we try for every meal every time

836
00:30:34,616 --> 00:30:36,295
we can ingest say a prayer, and it's

837
00:30:36,295 --> 00:30:38,772
different than the the prayers of Regents says

838
00:30:38,772 --> 00:30:40,770
hey, Christmas or Easter the 2 times that

839
00:30:40,770 --> 00:30:43,097
we would just kinda felt like you're reading

840
00:30:43,097 --> 00:30:45,246
a script where we do a, a grateful

841
00:30:45,246 --> 00:30:47,156
practice. And say what we're grateful for that

842
00:30:47,156 --> 00:30:49,305
day. And it's just taking a pause taking

843
00:30:49,305 --> 00:30:49,862
a moment.

844
00:30:51,708 --> 00:30:54,098
Before we ingest the the food the 1

845
00:30:54,098 --> 00:30:55,133
of the greatest gifts of all.

846
00:30:55,930 --> 00:30:58,320
That... Yeah. It's a practice that I think

847
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,311
we will continue fourth with the with our

848
00:31:00,311 --> 00:31:03,031
family. Could you share an example of maybe

849
00:31:03,031 --> 00:31:04,383
something that you would say before a meal?

850
00:31:04,622 --> 00:31:05,656
I'm very curious?

851
00:31:06,451 --> 00:31:08,281
Absolutely. So it actually started.

852
00:31:09,968 --> 00:31:11,026
Going back to elements

853
00:31:11,802 --> 00:31:12,940
program before

854
00:31:13,556 --> 00:31:15,549
bed every night. So it it'd be about

855
00:31:15,549 --> 00:31:16,905
4 field mentors.

856
00:31:19,309 --> 00:31:21,053
And about 10 to 12 kids have crew.

857
00:31:21,846 --> 00:31:23,511
And we'd stand around the fire because we

858
00:31:23,511 --> 00:31:25,256
we'd always have fire of good camping. And

859
00:31:25,256 --> 00:31:26,049
before we put it out,

860
00:31:26,859 --> 00:31:27,679
under a

861
00:31:28,058 --> 00:31:30,535
desert moon with stars. You'd go around and

862
00:31:30,535 --> 00:31:32,613
we do a great group that was called,

863
00:31:33,252 --> 00:31:34,770
and you could you could ramble for as

864
00:31:34,770 --> 00:31:36,945
as long as you want And I brought

865
00:31:36,945 --> 00:31:39,424
that practice to Mc mckay. That's that's what

866
00:31:39,424 --> 00:31:42,725
started, and it could be anything as large

867
00:31:42,865 --> 00:31:44,644
as, you know, I'm grateful for

868
00:31:45,598 --> 00:31:48,404
for God and for the fact that he

869
00:31:48,540 --> 00:31:49,812
showed me my purpose and now how it

870
00:31:49,812 --> 00:31:50,846
I could help everything,

871
00:31:51,403 --> 00:31:53,255
or it could be as

872
00:31:53,788 --> 00:31:54,686
small as

873
00:31:57,301 --> 00:31:59,605
you know, lay a grass or this lady

874
00:31:59,605 --> 00:32:02,624
bug or the the fact that snails might

875
00:32:02,624 --> 00:32:05,023
my girlfriends in insect. She she texted me

876
00:32:05,023 --> 00:32:06,375
this back today, and this is a great

877
00:32:06,375 --> 00:32:06,693
example.

878
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:07,750
Snails

879
00:32:08,363 --> 00:32:08,863
have

880
00:32:10,351 --> 00:32:11,646
they have the ability

881
00:32:12,355 --> 00:32:14,115
to reproduce with themselves.

882
00:32:14,835 --> 00:32:15,335
And

883
00:32:17,555 --> 00:32:19,234
they could do that and reproduce and make

884
00:32:19,234 --> 00:32:20,914
babies, but they choose not to.

885
00:32:21,967 --> 00:32:24,114
Maybe they're something they they have some love

886
00:32:24,114 --> 00:32:26,182
in their system, and they choose to come

887
00:32:26,182 --> 00:32:28,822
together in commune and reproduce that way. So

888
00:32:28,822 --> 00:32:31,207
something as silly as that seemingly silly is

889
00:32:31,207 --> 00:32:31,366
that.

890
00:32:32,479 --> 00:32:34,307
I'm grateful for that fact because that...

891
00:32:34,943 --> 00:32:36,947
That's a little bit of magic. And a

892
00:32:36,947 --> 00:32:38,699
little bit of magic in life keeps me

893
00:32:38,699 --> 00:32:39,655
going and I love it.

894
00:32:40,611 --> 00:32:43,478
So... Yeah. It's... Sometimes they're they ramble. Sometimes

895
00:32:43,478 --> 00:32:45,310
they're they're a little quicker because I'm hungry.

896
00:32:45,884 --> 00:32:47,163
But we try to do it every night.

897
00:32:47,562 --> 00:32:49,560
I'll tell you something. I'm gonna start that.

898
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,958
I... Sometimes my wife and I do that,

899
00:32:52,437 --> 00:32:53,876
and, she she's

900
00:32:54,355 --> 00:32:54,855
Japanese

901
00:32:55,169 --> 00:32:57,247
She lived most life in Japan. So we

902
00:32:57,247 --> 00:32:59,804
always will say something before we will say

903
00:32:59,804 --> 00:33:00,783
like It,

904
00:33:01,242 --> 00:33:01,742
which

905
00:33:02,121 --> 00:33:03,420
loosely loosely

906
00:33:03,894 --> 00:33:04,772
translated to needs,

907
00:33:05,649 --> 00:33:07,585
thank you for the food. I'm about to

908
00:33:07,644 --> 00:33:09,718
ingest or thank you for the life that

909
00:33:09,718 --> 00:33:11,490
you gave so we can eat this food

910
00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:13,329
some... You know, again, there's no... It's not

911
00:33:13,329 --> 00:33:14,950
an exact translation. So that's

912
00:33:15,569 --> 00:33:16,390
something that

913
00:33:16,769 --> 00:33:18,450
almost all Japanese and these people will say

914
00:33:18,450 --> 00:33:19,430
before eating anything.

915
00:33:21,738 --> 00:33:22,692
But your idea,

916
00:33:23,964 --> 00:33:24,520
just to, like,

917
00:33:25,474 --> 00:33:28,549
talk a little bit more about something that's

918
00:33:28,669 --> 00:33:30,337
you're thankful for or, I I love it.

919
00:33:30,496 --> 00:33:32,006
I'm gonna I'm gonna start it. I promise.

920
00:33:33,992 --> 00:33:34,492
I

921
00:33:35,184 --> 00:33:37,903
I'm curious also getting back to your getting

922
00:33:37,903 --> 00:33:39,919
back to your client and, of course, keeping

923
00:33:39,978 --> 00:33:42,372
complete confidentiality. We have no idea who this

924
00:33:42,372 --> 00:33:43,569
person is so that's okay.

925
00:33:46,934 --> 00:33:48,449
What's the next step though? You say you...

926
00:33:48,529 --> 00:33:50,362
You... I think you said you suggested that

927
00:33:50,362 --> 00:33:51,022
he go

928
00:33:51,398 --> 00:33:53,232
spend some time by himself. But let's say

929
00:33:53,232 --> 00:33:54,840
he does that comes back.

930
00:33:55,556 --> 00:33:57,226
And maybe he feels a little bit better,

931
00:33:57,465 --> 00:33:59,613
but still he's in a job in a

932
00:33:59,613 --> 00:34:01,363
relationship that's that's that are not really working,

933
00:34:01,522 --> 00:34:03,289
but has to support kids.

934
00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:06,650
What's your what's your next step with him?

935
00:34:06,890 --> 00:34:08,170
How how do you how are you gonna

936
00:34:08,170 --> 00:34:08,829
help him

937
00:34:09,849 --> 00:34:11,449
more... You know, get get to work he

938
00:34:11,449 --> 00:34:13,304
needs to be? So with all my clients,

939
00:34:13,625 --> 00:34:16,744
I lead a 3 step process, and it

940
00:34:16,744 --> 00:34:17,485
starts with

941
00:34:18,105 --> 00:34:18,344
preparation.

942
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,347
Then obviously the ceremony. And then perhaps perhaps

943
00:34:22,347 --> 00:34:23,563
the most important pillars

944
00:34:23,938 --> 00:34:25,473
integration and taking the lessons

945
00:34:25,928 --> 00:34:28,235
from the ceremony, what we learn and putting

946
00:34:28,235 --> 00:34:29,031
them into practice.

947
00:34:29,764 --> 00:34:30,264
And

948
00:34:30,722 --> 00:34:32,820
at that point, it turns into

949
00:34:33,279 --> 00:34:35,516
my role a little bit more of coaching.

950
00:34:35,755 --> 00:34:37,849
I don't like that term, like coach with

951
00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:40,570
me as all another stigma, but it is

952
00:34:40,570 --> 00:34:42,030
a little more of

953
00:34:42,329 --> 00:34:42,829
identifying

954
00:34:45,061 --> 00:34:47,690
identifying the lessons the insights and Got. What

955
00:34:47,850 --> 00:34:50,103
I like to do... I like I like

956
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:51,356
things and threes.

957
00:34:53,050 --> 00:34:55,210
So the the the order of 3 for

958
00:34:55,210 --> 00:34:56,430
that 1 would be first

959
00:34:56,890 --> 00:34:57,390
identify

960
00:34:57,849 --> 00:35:00,250
the insight that you have. And then second

961
00:35:00,250 --> 00:35:00,410
step,

962
00:35:01,063 --> 00:35:03,918
is come up with the absolutely best case

963
00:35:03,918 --> 00:35:06,004
scenario, Let your mind expand

964
00:35:06,693 --> 00:35:08,462
and the firm be believer in

965
00:35:09,169 --> 00:35:11,803
the practice of manifestation, I think to to

966
00:35:11,803 --> 00:35:13,559
truly manifest whether it is that we want

967
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:15,474
we need to see the best case scenario

968
00:35:15,474 --> 00:35:17,070
we need to be shooting for something.

969
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,587
And then the third step is, okay. Let's

970
00:35:20,587 --> 00:35:21,723
break you down. What's

971
00:35:22,416 --> 00:35:23,848
what's the first thing that we need to

972
00:35:23,848 --> 00:35:24,087
do?

973
00:35:25,139 --> 00:35:27,940
And let's build the path. So for example,

974
00:35:28,179 --> 00:35:29,940
if he gets the insight? Okay. I need

975
00:35:29,940 --> 00:35:30,739
to work out more.

976
00:35:31,619 --> 00:35:33,940
Great. What's the absolute best case scenario?

977
00:35:34,433 --> 00:35:35,570
I am learning

978
00:35:36,182 --> 00:35:38,409
10 miles every day. I I'm am extremely

979
00:35:38,409 --> 00:35:39,840
fit from that. I get so much energy.

980
00:35:39,999 --> 00:35:41,351
I get so much dopamine me, and I'm

981
00:35:41,351 --> 00:35:42,225
not depressed anymore.

982
00:35:43,037 --> 00:35:44,312
I live a long healthy life

983
00:35:45,029 --> 00:35:46,565
95. I'm able to

984
00:35:47,260 --> 00:35:50,144
pick up my my great grandchild. Great. Right?

985
00:35:50,303 --> 00:35:51,521
What's the first step

986
00:35:52,137 --> 00:35:53,252
and how to accomplish that?

987
00:35:55,245 --> 00:35:57,339
Go to the gym. Created get a Gym

988
00:35:57,397 --> 00:35:59,484
membership. Right get a pair of running shoes,

989
00:36:00,202 --> 00:36:00,919
make a plan,

990
00:36:01,556 --> 00:36:03,549
tell people about, tell your wife that you're

991
00:36:03,549 --> 00:36:05,621
gonna do. When you tell people about things

992
00:36:05,621 --> 00:36:08,579
you're you're less likely to to not accomplish

993
00:36:08,579 --> 00:36:08,737
them.

994
00:36:10,089 --> 00:36:12,577
So... Yeah, taking those next steps. So that's

995
00:36:13,110 --> 00:36:14,325
integration in a

996
00:36:14,859 --> 00:36:15,018
nutshell,

997
00:36:15,748 --> 00:36:16,248
it's

998
00:36:16,861 --> 00:36:17,679
it's constant

999
00:36:18,292 --> 00:36:18,451
communication.

1000
00:36:19,405 --> 00:36:21,733
I have multiple calls with my clients

1001
00:36:22,188 --> 00:36:24,334
to check ins. So that first call is

1002
00:36:24,334 --> 00:36:26,515
kinda about. Diving into those and

1003
00:36:26,967 --> 00:36:29,742
determining what steps we're gonna take. And then

1004
00:36:29,742 --> 00:36:31,272
it is a matter of

1005
00:36:31,723 --> 00:36:32,223
accountability,

1006
00:36:32,929 --> 00:36:33,429
and

1007
00:36:33,886 --> 00:36:35,583
checking it with the clients. But

1008
00:36:36,359 --> 00:36:37,954
in this work, it is...

1009
00:36:38,991 --> 00:36:41,006
I'm a I'm a guide. I'm a facilitator,

1010
00:36:43,155 --> 00:36:45,315
But I can't do the work. Right? They

1011
00:36:45,315 --> 00:36:47,235
they need to show up for themselves,

1012
00:36:48,275 --> 00:36:50,434
and that starts in preparation. They need to

1013
00:36:50,434 --> 00:36:51,575
prepare for ceremony.

1014
00:36:52,690 --> 00:36:53,429
Because it's

1015
00:36:53,730 --> 00:36:56,050
it's very true that more fair for this

1016
00:36:56,050 --> 00:36:58,050
ceremony it's more effective it's gonna be. If

1017
00:36:58,050 --> 00:37:00,369
you come in have a Mcdonald's breakfast,

1018
00:37:01,023 --> 00:37:04,197
and not doing any meditation or journal before,

1019
00:37:04,753 --> 00:37:07,689
your intention. It's not gonna be as effective

1020
00:37:07,689 --> 00:37:09,300
as a ceremony as if

1021
00:37:09,847 --> 00:37:11,677
you were to do the work beforehand.

1022
00:37:12,393 --> 00:37:14,700
So, yeah, That that leads into integration and

1023
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:16,234
shown after your yourself and

1024
00:37:16,783 --> 00:37:18,533
goes back to that devotion that we were

1025
00:37:18,533 --> 00:37:20,226
talking about how devoted argue

1026
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,987
to the change that you desired.

1027
00:37:23,718 --> 00:37:25,704
Where do you normally do the ceremony? Do

1028
00:37:25,704 --> 00:37:26,418
you do this

1029
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:30,548
your house? Or do you do with it?

1030
00:37:30,707 --> 00:37:32,296
Their house or you do it out in

1031
00:37:32,296 --> 00:37:34,065
nature? Where... Where's... Where do you find as

1032
00:37:34,065 --> 00:37:35,505
the best place for you to do a

1033
00:37:35,505 --> 00:37:37,344
ceremony with your with your client?

1034
00:37:39,985 --> 00:37:43,296
Totally dependent. So that my practice. I

1035
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:47,422
I've I'm in Salt Lake as was mentioned,

1036
00:37:47,742 --> 00:37:49,018
and there are a lot of Salt Lake

1037
00:37:49,018 --> 00:37:51,704
clients or Utah, local clients. I,

1038
00:37:52,224 --> 00:37:54,302
being part of the psychedelic passage network. I

1039
00:37:54,302 --> 00:37:55,581
do get a lot of clients from out

1040
00:37:55,581 --> 00:37:56,060
of state.

1041
00:37:57,658 --> 00:37:59,576
Sometimes they like to to fly in and

1042
00:37:59,576 --> 00:38:00,775
have a little bit of a getaway,

1043
00:38:01,747 --> 00:38:03,900
get away from their normalized. Sometimes that they

1044
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:05,734
like me to fly out. So I've loaned

1045
00:38:05,734 --> 00:38:07,589
to Alaska, I'm trying to boise

1046
00:38:08,604 --> 00:38:09,401
in a few weeks,

1047
00:38:10,213 --> 00:38:12,991
going down to Arizona. So it it depends

1048
00:38:12,991 --> 00:38:14,976
on the client where they're most comfortable.

1049
00:38:15,373 --> 00:38:17,675
If they have a space that's it's conducive

1050
00:38:17,675 --> 00:38:18,493
to a healing

1051
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:20,878
ceremony. Fantastic.

1052
00:38:21,357 --> 00:38:23,195
If they need a break from it,

1053
00:38:24,233 --> 00:38:25,032
I always offer,

1054
00:38:25,991 --> 00:38:27,130
my house I have a

1055
00:38:27,605 --> 00:38:30,505
cute little bun here in sugar house that

1056
00:38:31,605 --> 00:38:33,364
has a sound system and a nice day

1057
00:38:33,364 --> 00:38:35,611
bed. And it's it's a been tried and

1058
00:38:35,611 --> 00:38:37,437
tested many times in for ceremony.

1059
00:38:38,072 --> 00:38:40,137
And that is kinda nice offering a neutral

1060
00:38:40,137 --> 00:38:41,352
setting for

1061
00:38:42,281 --> 00:38:43,313
for the work to be done.

1062
00:38:44,525 --> 00:38:46,364
So I would say about 80 percent of

1063
00:38:46,364 --> 00:38:48,065
time. I I do end up doing,

1064
00:38:48,525 --> 00:38:50,525
ceremony in my own space, my own house.

1065
00:38:51,085 --> 00:38:51,585
So

1066
00:38:52,858 --> 00:38:54,234
At what point do you

1067
00:38:55,886 --> 00:38:58,537
understand whether your work is is actually

1068
00:38:58,994 --> 00:39:00,839
successful with a client And and do you

1069
00:39:00,839 --> 00:39:02,905
have any clients that are just... That just

1070
00:39:02,905 --> 00:39:04,734
don't work out. That are just... No matter

1071
00:39:04,734 --> 00:39:06,880
what you try to do with them, they're

1072
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,231
stuck in the same space and they just

1073
00:39:08,231 --> 00:39:08,708
can't get out.

1074
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:10,578
This work

1075
00:39:11,756 --> 00:39:13,993
is filled with nuance add something.

1076
00:39:14,712 --> 00:39:16,010
It's filled with variables

1077
00:39:16,563 --> 00:39:20,010
each ceremonies is so different and each experience

1078
00:39:20,705 --> 00:39:23,015
from each client coming in is each is

1079
00:39:23,015 --> 00:39:23,572
so different.

1080
00:39:25,738 --> 00:39:26,397
I have

1081
00:39:27,249 --> 00:39:27,749
many

1082
00:39:28,522 --> 00:39:30,295
clients that will come in and

1083
00:39:30,909 --> 00:39:31,885
have a

1084
00:39:32,832 --> 00:39:34,920
completely life altering experience

1085
00:39:35,531 --> 00:39:36,428
right in

1086
00:39:38,548 --> 00:39:41,262
that day. And for we'll forever be changed,

1087
00:39:41,342 --> 00:39:43,088
and we'll have this glow about them. I've

1088
00:39:43,088 --> 00:39:44,938
have other ones that will have extremely challenging

1089
00:39:44,994 --> 00:39:47,456
experiences, and that's that's a problem it's just

1090
00:39:47,456 --> 00:39:48,012
part of the work.

1091
00:39:48,821 --> 00:39:50,331
Means that there were some real stuff that

1092
00:39:50,331 --> 00:39:52,159
had to come up. But that day they

1093
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:53,851
may not be super bright

1094
00:39:54,304 --> 00:39:55,179
and and bubbly.

1095
00:39:56,291 --> 00:39:59,016
It may be a week after an integration

1096
00:39:59,016 --> 00:40:00,772
that they start to have these insights and

1097
00:40:00,772 --> 00:40:02,927
start to be grounded it again that they

1098
00:40:02,927 --> 00:40:05,023
can start making those changes. It may be

1099
00:40:05,082 --> 00:40:05,960
5 weeks from now.

1100
00:40:07,011 --> 00:40:08,786
It's so dependent. And

1101
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:10,836
I would say it's...

1102
00:40:12,828 --> 00:40:13,567
I'm not

1103
00:40:13,958 --> 00:40:15,069
personally, too worried about,

1104
00:40:17,847 --> 00:40:20,862
determining if it's successful from from my standpoint.

1105
00:40:21,179 --> 00:40:24,002
I'm I'm more so focused on that. And

1106
00:40:24,619 --> 00:40:26,376
how they how they see it to be

1107
00:40:26,376 --> 00:40:26,695
successful.

1108
00:40:27,333 --> 00:40:28,770
I would say that I I do believe

1109
00:40:28,770 --> 00:40:31,817
that most of my clients do get some

1110
00:40:31,817 --> 00:40:32,691
form of change,

1111
00:40:33,884 --> 00:40:36,190
and from that subset, most of them, It's

1112
00:40:36,190 --> 00:40:37,859
it's the change that they're looking for.

1113
00:40:39,863 --> 00:40:42,017
With my intention setting, I'm I'm always quick

1114
00:40:42,017 --> 00:40:42,495
to say,

1115
00:40:43,771 --> 00:40:45,526
you know, let's let's set some intentions.

1116
00:40:46,324 --> 00:40:48,637
Let's come in looking to work on on

1117
00:40:48,637 --> 00:40:49,036
something.

1118
00:40:49,529 --> 00:40:51,682
But the the nuance of it,

1119
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,076
hold that intention loosely.

1120
00:40:54,953 --> 00:40:56,468
The medicine will give you,

1121
00:40:57,106 --> 00:40:59,100
not necessarily exactly what you want.

1122
00:40:59,912 --> 00:41:02,141
It'll often give you what you need. And

1123
00:41:02,141 --> 00:41:03,653
it may be a little unclear in the

1124
00:41:03,653 --> 00:41:05,404
moment, but sit on it for a little

1125
00:41:05,404 --> 00:41:07,076
bit. Let's give it some time and space.

1126
00:41:07,568 --> 00:41:09,478
And see how that works out in more

1127
00:41:09,478 --> 00:41:12,263
times than not. It does tend to to

1128
00:41:12,263 --> 00:41:13,774
work out and all for the insights that

1129
00:41:13,774 --> 00:41:14,172
were needed.

1130
00:41:15,384 --> 00:41:16,822
I've got 1 more question for you, and

1131
00:41:16,822 --> 00:41:18,101
then I think we're gonna we're gonna wrap

1132
00:41:18,101 --> 00:41:21,137
it for today. However, Jake, I've got so

1133
00:41:21,137 --> 00:41:23,235
many more questions. I wanna ask you. So

1134
00:41:23,549 --> 00:41:25,485
it's okay, can we do this again sometime

1135
00:41:25,543 --> 00:41:27,058
soon. Oh, I would not take.

1136
00:41:28,255 --> 00:41:29,850
Excellent. Let's let's plan to do that, But

1137
00:41:29,850 --> 00:41:31,605
that wasn't my that wasn't my question. Actually,

1138
00:41:31,764 --> 00:41:32,961
That was 1 of my question, but that

1139
00:41:32,961 --> 00:41:34,651
wasn't my real. But so my real question

1140
00:41:34,651 --> 00:41:36,885
is, to to end this today,

1141
00:41:38,799 --> 00:41:40,889
I still feel a lot of people or

1142
00:41:40,889 --> 00:41:43,126
are listening or watching, And they're they're just

1143
00:41:43,126 --> 00:41:43,946
in that

1144
00:41:44,724 --> 00:41:47,921
bad space, whether it's a relationship or a

1145
00:41:47,921 --> 00:41:50,167
job or or or something like that.

1146
00:41:51,121 --> 00:41:53,108
And they're saying they're saying to themselves.

1147
00:41:54,778 --> 00:41:56,765
Yeah. But I just can't... I just I

1148
00:41:56,765 --> 00:41:57,958
just can't do anything now.

1149
00:41:59,085 --> 00:42:01,466
There plenty of people like that. And and

1150
00:42:01,466 --> 00:42:01,966
and

1151
00:42:02,418 --> 00:42:04,085
you and I were probably in that in

1152
00:42:04,085 --> 00:42:06,228
that situation before, and I know I was.

1153
00:42:06,387 --> 00:42:07,126
And and

1154
00:42:07,914 --> 00:42:09,195
and and like you said, like...

1155
00:42:10,155 --> 00:42:11,994
I had to go through a really tough

1156
00:42:11,994 --> 00:42:14,235
time after after my divorce to get to

1157
00:42:14,235 --> 00:42:15,914
where I am now. And I can honestly

1158
00:42:15,914 --> 00:42:17,369
say, and I I have a feeling, you

1159
00:42:17,369 --> 00:42:18,409
can say the same thing, like...

1160
00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:20,730
Every day is a blessing for me now

1161
00:42:20,730 --> 00:42:22,650
because I love what I do. I love

1162
00:42:22,650 --> 00:42:24,489
where right am. I'm looking up at Mountains

1163
00:42:24,489 --> 00:42:26,495
here. I and I'm exactly where I wanna

1164
00:42:26,495 --> 00:42:28,800
be in my life exactly. And I I

1165
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:29,913
feel that you are as well.

1166
00:42:30,708 --> 00:42:32,378
However, there are people that are...

1167
00:42:33,269 --> 00:42:34,867
Following this, and they're not.

1168
00:42:36,066 --> 00:42:38,064
And... But they're afraid to take that first

1169
00:42:38,064 --> 00:42:40,162
step. They're just afraid to rock the boat

1170
00:42:40,382 --> 00:42:41,501
because fear the unknown.

1171
00:42:42,954 --> 00:42:45,191
So my final question on today's episode is

1172
00:42:45,191 --> 00:42:47,268
is what do you say to those people

1173
00:42:47,268 --> 00:42:48,728
that just say, I

1174
00:42:49,266 --> 00:42:51,676
I know something's wrong I just can't do

1175
00:42:51,676 --> 00:42:52,793
anything about it now.

1176
00:42:53,989 --> 00:42:55,206
The first step

1177
00:42:56,381 --> 00:42:58,077
would be find some stillness

1178
00:42:58,534 --> 00:42:59,251
and listen.

1179
00:43:00,702 --> 00:43:02,775
And listen listen for the next steps because

1180
00:43:02,775 --> 00:43:05,668
they usually do comps, but first shows some

1181
00:43:05,726 --> 00:43:06,864
devotion to your process.

1182
00:43:07,799 --> 00:43:08,756
However, that looks.

1183
00:43:10,848 --> 00:43:12,846
Again, for me, it's it's fasting the physical

1184
00:43:12,846 --> 00:43:14,683
fitness tends to get me their,

1185
00:43:15,802 --> 00:43:16,441
meditation as well.

1186
00:43:17,081 --> 00:43:17,320
But,

1187
00:43:19,092 --> 00:43:19,592
everyone's

1188
00:43:21,008 --> 00:43:22,684
first up like that crack of the window

1189
00:43:22,684 --> 00:43:24,680
that we chatted about letting some light in

1190
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:25,500
looks different

1191
00:43:25,878 --> 00:43:27,075
and acknowledging that.

1192
00:43:27,730 --> 00:43:28,230
And,

1193
00:43:28,609 --> 00:43:29,570
you know, obviously,

1194
00:43:32,289 --> 00:43:34,849
this podcast is kinda centered around sole set

1195
00:43:34,849 --> 00:43:37,030
mushrooms and work I do is

1196
00:43:37,344 --> 00:43:39,034
centered around Psychedelics, but

1197
00:43:39,963 --> 00:43:43,322
I wanna say very, very plainly that Psychedelic

1198
00:43:43,377 --> 00:43:46,257
aren't the answer for everyone. And that's very

1199
00:43:46,257 --> 00:43:47,715
very to admit. And

1200
00:43:49,690 --> 00:43:51,526
for a lot of folks, they could find

1201
00:43:51,526 --> 00:43:54,261
that same place through meditation or Yoga.

1202
00:43:54,574 --> 00:43:56,510
Or a journal practice. Or community.

1203
00:43:57,365 --> 00:43:59,439
Ecstatic dance there are so many avenues. So

1204
00:43:59,439 --> 00:44:00,476
many things to try.

1205
00:44:01,912 --> 00:44:03,608
It's it's a matter of

1206
00:44:05,358 --> 00:44:07,996
Again, listening to yourself on listening, what's what

1207
00:44:07,996 --> 00:44:09,434
feels right to try?

1208
00:44:10,793 --> 00:44:12,630
Now I think it's safe to say that...

1209
00:44:13,762 --> 00:44:16,383
And again, yeah. Yeah. This show is is

1210
00:44:16,383 --> 00:44:17,518
absolutely based on

1211
00:44:17,892 --> 00:44:20,514
psilocybin. And what you do in your daily

1212
00:44:20,514 --> 00:44:22,835
life helping other people. That's based on psilocybin.

1213
00:44:22,995 --> 00:44:24,349
But I think it's safe to say and...

1214
00:44:24,509 --> 00:44:26,102
Let's see if you agree with me that

1215
00:44:26,102 --> 00:44:26,819
if you're in...

1216
00:44:28,173 --> 00:44:30,085
If got some just shitty thing going on

1217
00:44:30,085 --> 00:44:30,904
in your life

1218
00:44:32,806 --> 00:44:34,418
just taking some psilocybin

1219
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:36,936
and hoping for the best is is not

1220
00:44:36,936 --> 00:44:38,684
gonna is not gonna do the trick. When

1221
00:44:38,684 --> 00:44:39,478
would you agree with that?

1222
00:44:40,209 --> 00:44:42,442
Going hundred percent. I I think that's

1223
00:44:43,479 --> 00:44:45,734
it is a common perception around

1224
00:44:46,510 --> 00:44:48,903
the world of psychedelics right now. There's so

1225
00:44:48,903 --> 00:44:51,392
much energy energy. And it's great. And, I'm

1226
00:44:51,392 --> 00:44:54,106
glad that there's been this, re revolution.

1227
00:44:55,144 --> 00:44:58,098
This awakening thing. But they're along with that

1228
00:44:58,098 --> 00:44:59,636
comes some headlines and

1229
00:45:00,590 --> 00:45:02,510
16 minutes zoom stories in New York comes

1230
00:45:02,510 --> 00:45:05,390
out articles of 20 years of therapy and

1231
00:45:05,390 --> 00:45:07,710
in 1 session. And while that's great. That's

1232
00:45:07,710 --> 00:45:09,580
very rarely the case

1233
00:45:09,956 --> 00:45:12,106
especially for someone who's not doing the work

1234
00:45:12,106 --> 00:45:12,743
for beforehand.

1235
00:45:13,221 --> 00:45:14,654
You need to tilt the soil.

1236
00:45:15,211 --> 00:45:17,059
You need to first tilt this because if

1237
00:45:17,059 --> 00:45:18,840
you're if you're trying to sow a seed

1238
00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:20,980
in some... Some of this Utah clip that

1239
00:45:20,980 --> 00:45:23,539
we have here without filling it and amending

1240
00:45:23,539 --> 00:45:26,270
it and putting compost thin mix, the rows

1241
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:27,304
isn't gonna grow out.

1242
00:45:28,338 --> 00:45:31,202
So in the preparation, and that's, you know,

1243
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:33,608
why it's in eat fully important part to

1244
00:45:33,608 --> 00:45:36,085
the ceremony and the integration, the preparation is

1245
00:45:36,085 --> 00:45:38,482
till the soil. And and till the soil

1246
00:45:38,482 --> 00:45:40,500
is doing the work and

1247
00:45:40,893 --> 00:45:43,513
dev boating yourself to the cause of the

1248
00:45:43,513 --> 00:45:45,259
heat or whatever it is to the expansion,

1249
00:45:45,418 --> 00:45:46,530
whatever is working on.

1250
00:45:48,609 --> 00:45:50,441
But it's not on that or... It's not

1251
00:45:50,441 --> 00:45:50,998
a magic pill.

1252
00:45:51,795 --> 00:45:53,547
And we live it... We live in a

1253
00:45:53,547 --> 00:45:54,047
western

1254
00:45:54,503 --> 00:45:57,393
culture where for so long you've been

1255
00:45:58,502 --> 00:45:59,799
prescribe magic pills

1256
00:46:00,176 --> 00:46:00,676
that

1257
00:46:01,292 --> 00:46:02,966
affect our brains in such way ways that

1258
00:46:02,966 --> 00:46:05,597
they end basically just not us to emotions.

1259
00:46:05,836 --> 00:46:07,757
This is be complete opposite. This will make

1260
00:46:07,757 --> 00:46:08,551
you feel emotions.

1261
00:46:10,059 --> 00:46:12,599
But that could be really scary sometimes. So

1262
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:14,663
it's about doing the prep work beforehand.

1263
00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:17,709
Be to create that space where you can

1264
00:46:17,709 --> 00:46:18,587
feel the emotions.

1265
00:46:20,263 --> 00:46:21,003
Through ceremony,

1266
00:46:21,380 --> 00:46:23,137
feeling them and then through integration,

1267
00:46:24,428 --> 00:46:26,811
taking the necessary steps to have lasting change

1268
00:46:26,811 --> 00:46:27,367
in your life.

1269
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:29,750
Yeah. Like I say to people all the

1270
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:31,973
time, you've got to do this work. It's

1271
00:46:31,973 --> 00:46:34,476
not This is not like popping a pharmaceutical,

1272
00:46:34,851 --> 00:46:37,079
like taking an Ss and then going about

1273
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:39,387
your normal business just hoping for the best.

1274
00:46:39,959 --> 00:46:41,957
You've got to put the work into this.

1275
00:46:42,117 --> 00:46:43,256
So so if you're

1276
00:46:43,635 --> 00:46:44,274
with us here,

1277
00:46:45,393 --> 00:46:47,150
please, if you find yourself in a in

1278
00:46:47,150 --> 00:46:49,243
a very rough situation in your life, don't

1279
00:46:49,243 --> 00:46:52,279
just think that by dosing some psilocybin and

1280
00:46:52,279 --> 00:46:54,437
it's gonna change it change everything. It's it's

1281
00:46:54,437 --> 00:46:56,455
not... That's not the way it works. So

1282
00:46:56,689 --> 00:46:58,128
I just wanna leave you with it. Please.

1283
00:46:58,447 --> 00:47:00,925
You've gotta do what we've talked about. At

1284
00:47:00,925 --> 00:47:03,003
least start this way. We'll talk about in

1285
00:47:03,003 --> 00:47:03,402
this show.

1286
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:05,080
Jake,

1287
00:47:06,531 --> 00:47:08,519
thank you so much for your time today

1288
00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:09,871
as a matter of fact, if you can,

1289
00:47:10,190 --> 00:47:12,338
I wanna to share something with our, especially

1290
00:47:12,338 --> 00:47:14,087
with our viewers right now? If you're listening,

1291
00:47:14,738 --> 00:47:16,725
you might appreciate this. But if you're if

1292
00:47:16,725 --> 00:47:17,441
you're watching,

1293
00:47:18,315 --> 00:47:18,474
Jake,

1294
00:47:19,428 --> 00:47:21,097
come over here for a second and be

1295
00:47:21,097 --> 00:47:22,686
with... Because I I gotta share this is

1296
00:47:22,686 --> 00:47:24,694
really funny. We we met at a call

1297
00:47:24,694 --> 00:47:26,694
at a tea shop in Salt Lake City,

1298
00:47:27,094 --> 00:47:28,694
but we couldn't sit at the same table

1299
00:47:28,694 --> 00:47:30,909
as we're getting bleed over from the microphone

1300
00:47:31,029 --> 00:47:33,182
it... So. But with me,

1301
00:47:33,980 --> 00:47:34,379
it's just...

1302
00:47:35,576 --> 00:47:36,076
So

1303
00:47:36,453 --> 00:47:37,511
to take those out

1304
00:47:38,208 --> 00:47:39,563
because that's good. Good Yeah.

1305
00:47:41,094 --> 00:47:41,653
Anyway, listen,

1306
00:47:42,371 --> 00:47:43,569
thank you so much for being here. May.

1307
00:47:43,649 --> 00:47:46,682
You are pleasure such great energy, and I

1308
00:47:46,682 --> 00:47:49,157
real really appreciate, and we're gonna do this

1309
00:47:49,157 --> 00:47:51,408
again. Right? I can't wait. That's incredible pleasure.

1310
00:47:51,887 --> 00:47:53,665
Say I feel the same way. So

1311
00:47:54,044 --> 00:47:54,523
so guys,

1312
00:47:55,642 --> 00:47:58,052
hang... Hang tight be with us. Because gonna

1313
00:47:58,052 --> 00:48:00,284
have this guy back. He's awesome, and I'm

1314
00:48:00,284 --> 00:48:02,597
glad. I'm glad I met him. So thanks

1315
00:48:02,597 --> 00:48:04,829
again. And remember, I put out a brand

1316
00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:05,967
new episode every

1317
00:48:06,677 --> 00:48:07,951
Wednesday and Friday,

1318
00:48:08,587 --> 00:48:11,315
Micro You, both on Youtube

1319
00:48:11,690 --> 00:48:12,190
and

1320
00:48:13,854 --> 00:48:15,393
Apple podcasts, spotify,

1321
00:48:16,172 --> 00:48:18,489
check the show notes, got some very important

1322
00:48:18,489 --> 00:48:21,206
links that you can, get some resources. And

1323
00:48:21,206 --> 00:48:22,005
also my website,

1324
00:48:22,820 --> 00:48:26,179
micro u dot com, and that's micro dose

1325
00:48:26,179 --> 00:48:27,780
just with the letter u tacked on the

1326
00:48:27,780 --> 00:48:30,099
end of it. Micro u dot com, fairly

1327
00:48:30,099 --> 00:48:32,270
new website, It's got some really good stuff

1328
00:48:32,270 --> 00:48:34,024
for you there. Just hang with us, and

1329
00:48:34,024 --> 00:48:35,380
we're here to help. I'm here to help.

1330
00:48:35,539 --> 00:48:37,213
And, as I say, Jake, I say at

1331
00:48:37,213 --> 00:48:38,888
the end of every single episode and this

1332
00:48:38,888 --> 00:48:41,456
is no exception. I look at my listeners

1333
00:48:41,456 --> 00:48:43,213
and my followers and my friends, I called

1334
00:48:43,213 --> 00:48:45,368
them na come which is a word that

1335
00:48:45,368 --> 00:48:47,843
means kinda, like our whole... Our tribe, our

1336
00:48:47,843 --> 00:48:50,813
family, our group of like minded people and

1337
00:48:50,893 --> 00:48:53,050
I say, I love you, and I really

1338
00:48:53,050 --> 00:48:54,728
do. Thanks so much for being here. Thanks.

1339
00:48:54,967 --> 00:48:56,485
Thanks again, Jake. I really appreciate it

1340
00:48:57,536 --> 00:48:58,174
See you guys later.