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Hi. I'm Ron Coleman and a partner in

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the Dylan law group. Social media legend, and

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free speech ent.

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When I started the culmination podcast in the

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spring of 20 21,

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its focus was on free expression and censorship

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on the Internet.

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Pod as important as that subject is to

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me, which is very important. I felt hemmed

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in in the podcast.

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I wanted to spend more time talking to

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the interesting people I've met in my legal

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and free speech work.

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Without feeling any need to have them all

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make the same point.

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So I culminated the first series of the

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podcast and have started the second series.

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I hope you'll enjoy these conversations

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as much as I have recording it. Well,

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again, comb.

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You don't you just long when I tell

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you what a special guest I have.

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You know, and and then I wanna tell

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you that, no. III love them all,

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and I don't love them all.

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Some of them are are real pains.

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But But

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we always like to be gracious, and and

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and the the vast majority of them end

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up

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being

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great guests.

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This 1 is

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1 of those special kinds of special like

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our own children, every 1 of them is

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special and above average.

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Perhaps you've heard of my friend.

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The great statesman and philosopher.

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Cynical pub.

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I got him.

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I got him.

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I got him first. Oh, you can have

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your fat cat.

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You can have all kinds of all kinds

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of Internet personalities, but this is my kind

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of

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troll. This is my kind of thinking man.

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A man who's

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background is the not entirely

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like mine but has some distinct similarities to

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it, but a truly articulate and literate it

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and wealth well thought out,

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timeline, cynical Pub who's gonna tell us why

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is first ever podcast

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and I get to see him, but you

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don't.

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He's A55 figure of a man by the

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way. I I mean,

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it's a... You're really missing out. But

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Cynical, probably is welcome to culmination.

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Yeah. Thank you, Ron. It's real pleasure to

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be here, and, a real privilege actually, and

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thank you.

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First of all, for promoting my ex account,

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you are 1 of the key people who

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I think has been very helpful in making

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it.

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More than than just AAA little hobby kind

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of thing,

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and thank you for that. We you wanna

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talk about?

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I wanna talk about that. I wanna talk

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about the whole thing. You have shared with

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me a number of fascinating

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details about your life. Entirely voluntarily well before,

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either heard of us contemplated

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this this conversation.

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And it was interesting to me, merely the

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fact that you that you wanted me to

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know them. 1 of the things you wanted

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me to know is that you're a lawyer

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because, you know, there's that special kinship.

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Not from, Jersey.

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That you did mention that. That's right. Yes.

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So what...

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Let's start with with this sort of flat

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foot question. What's the backstory and why can't

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we learn the part where you tell us

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your name?

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Okay. Well, let me... I'll I'll answer the

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second part first and then give you the

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backstory. The the practice of law on then

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right now is,

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primarily 1 with very progressive clients and partners.

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And at a respect for them, I I

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feel I'm model obligated to sort of keep

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my identity on the download for the time

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being.

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And that means he's making money folks.

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Yeah. It doesn't mean that as well. Years.

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He's doing orlando.

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And, you know, in in near future, next

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probably year year and a half. I'm planning

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on I'm probably retiring from the practice of

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loss, so I'll be, I'll be. Having a

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coming out party when that happens. Boom,

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but, I can't wait for that.

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The gender reveal.

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I assume to be a to party.

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Yes. But... So that's the the the answer

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to the second part. First part is,

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yeah. I I have an interesting background, I

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guess, in that it's varied. And I think

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that that's what gives me a perspective that

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people appreciate.

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A New Jersey kid born and raised,

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Roman catholic went to all sorts of... And

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Catholic schools

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growing up, which is You know by the

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way, why we Jewish kids know the names

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of the Catholic School New Jersey

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because when they do the snow closing.

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It was always some... A whole bunch of

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saints that were closed up in North Jersey.

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And said, why they have some funny school

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name.

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But I was help you gone that... I

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loved here Capital school was great preparation for

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the army.

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And, you know, sister Rene used to lock

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me in the closet for being bad that

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kind of thing.

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so III joined the army out of college.

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I had an Rot scholarship and

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became what they call Ordinance officer, which is

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a former logistics, social logistics officer,

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the for 22 years,

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retired as a Colonel, an o 6.

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So most of my career...

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I wanted us stick a pin that for

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a second to the good thing about interrupting

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you during this kind of question is that

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there's no chance if you are losing

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your train of thought because you're telling us

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your life story. And I don't

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1 of the things that I

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was like a a tremendous,

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you know, treat.

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from when I learned in the course of

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conversations, this this was probably conversations that you

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an experienced

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veteran, not... You know, and I... When wanna

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I say not just someone who was in

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for... Few years. I was in for 0.

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is a career,

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that is a career

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and a former officer, and someone who has

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been,

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broad quite a bit, and we'll talk we'll

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talk about that later. But

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let's face it. On Twitter when talking about

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politics and talking about culture war,

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having that kind of experience gives you a

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tremendous

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Whether you... I'm not telling. Thank you. Well,

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it what it does. It it it does

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you you really can... You really can

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like my friend encouraged sc, there, another retired

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Colonel, you can really

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I mean, of course, you could you could

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just be a dog. Right? It's the Internet.

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But, ultimately, I think you've demonstrated several times

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that you know what you're talking about. Okay.

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Now 22 years in the army doing...

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to Kurt. He's also been a big help.

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Me surprised me... It was a great account.

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So... Yeah. I loved him.

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And have his previous books

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along with I was ever on Twitter.

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Yeah. So the what... As a logistically... So

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I sort bounced my career, like, most army

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officers do between being at the tactical level

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or in infantry divisions. I spent a lot

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of time with the 80 second airborne division.

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at the joint staff, that the department of

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the army at the defense logistics agency. And

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because I was a low decision, it gave

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me exposure to sort of the the hamburger

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grinding making of the military, and which has

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caused me to be highly disillusioned in many

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ways about how Washington Dc operates,

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But a great career, I loved it. I

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I love being with soldiers.

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You know, I went to combat in Afghanistan

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and Iraq.

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And brought all of my soldiers home from

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Afghanistan, which is probably my greatest

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and best accomplishment in life as far as

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professional stuff goes,

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That's that's a that's a a great thing

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to hear. Yeah. And and so I loved

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it. It was great. But I was also

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I felt, like, I I didn't wanna do

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either go become a civilian employee and the

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federal government or go being a defense contractor,

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And I decided I wanted to do something

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like, radically different.

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And, literally, the day after my retirement date,

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I started law school.

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be a lit, and I'm no offense but

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rapidly dis excuse myself of that notion, I'm

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not affecting it's it's not for normal people.

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I think what's important and I'll talk about

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being a lawyer a bit, but what's important

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fare is that...

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I'm not behold to

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sort of the the machine of of the

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department of the army of being a, you

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know, retired colonel.

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I'm completely free of that, So I can

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kinda say what I want,

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which is unusual for someone cars. Unlike people

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who stay within the...

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Defense contractor were Right. Which most people do.

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Yeah. I mean, I was working for Ray,

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and there's no way I'd be on on

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x right now saying what I say. So...

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But you also... You simply couldn't be, So

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who who thinks what you think to be

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worth.

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I mean, you know, And again, I people

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sometimes think I'm I'm gonna passive or not,

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I believe the strong military. I just think

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it gets it's been misused.

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But so then going into

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the practice of law,

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I'd started doing,

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corporate law, and I thought that that was

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a really good opportunity for me to sort

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of blend my legal experience with my

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military leadership experience because startups

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they need a lot of help, and they

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don't have a lot of advisors. And usually,

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their lawyers is their only the adviser.

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And so that I've enjoyed doing that. It's

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very rewarding, But, I, you know, I tell

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my I tell my clients that my job

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is to help them navigate stupidity. Yeah I

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mean, you know, those the army is going

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great for that. Right? Well, I mean, the

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world of law is is as, know, my

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libertarian heart said... We ought be able to

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start businesses up easier and quicker and and

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and we ought be able to have folks

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be able to pursue their dreams and business

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without there being so much red tape so

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many impediments.

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I talk a lot about how

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you know, the the when the Democrats have

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all sorts of regulatory hurdles they put in

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that are ostensibly to protect the little guy,

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it it protects a big guy. The big

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guy is the 1 that has the money

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to pay for people like me. The big

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guy is the 1 who can navigate that.

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So, I mean, I tell I'd look at

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my clients To say my job is to

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help you navigate this crap, So you can

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you can achieve your business objectives. But that's

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given me this really cool.

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Flip on my understanding of the world because

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there's a lot of people who were army

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Colonel who understand how that works, but they

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can't tell you what a balance sheet says.

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But so now I I've gone to this

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whole second career that's completely independent of all

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that. And I think that that gives me

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this sort of unique perspective of someone who's

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been there and done that in the government

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in the military and been there and done

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that. In the private sector and, you know,

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probably

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1 of the heartbeat beats of America was

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Silicon Valley.

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And so I think they as meet me

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perspective. The other thing, which resonates with people.

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I think that I'm I'm telling you the

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3 things that I think resonate or my

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military service,

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my I experience as an turning. 1 of

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the the things that I think also makes

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a difference that people we'd wanna hear about

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is that, I've been married to a wonderful

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black woman for 33 years, which has given

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both of us insights into race in America,

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that, I think most people, regardless of your

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skin color don't have. I think you get

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a unique perspective

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when you're in an initial relationship. And interestingly

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the the post that I make about race

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or consistently the most popular post that I

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put up.

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Because, you know, I have I have very...

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Classic opinions about rory set.

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Everyone should be judged as an individual that

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this idea that, people

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you know, their skin color comes first is

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is absolutely

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Me. So I think that those are the

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3 things. My military experience people relate to

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that,

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they relate to the fact that I understand

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business, and they relate to the fact that

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I have a unique perspective race. And I

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try to comment in those areas, you know,

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in light of current events,

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in, as

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humorous and sometimes

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sarcastic ways. I can't.

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I mean, I think you're anything. I don't

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I don't think you're anything. I used the

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word troll before. I'm far more of a

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troll than you ever me.

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Yes you...

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Your account has grown okay. So it says

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on your profile that you've been on Twitter

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x whatever the hell. It's since 20 16,

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but you spent a lot of that time

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not being on Twitter. Right? I was suspended.

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Yeah. I... I mean, I I came on...

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Right after Trump got elected, and I just

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started voicing my opinion and it got absolutely

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0 traction. I mean, I said the same

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kind of things I'd say now,

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think I got 500 followers maybe. I was

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constantly getting suspended.

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You know, you you checked you check the

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the shadow band testing. I forgot what... Called.

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I was always shadow band. And then on

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the night of the

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Biden Trump debate,

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It's

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I... My... I don't know what I said.

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My count got permanently locked down. I could

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never understand what I had done. Was never

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explained to me. I... I mean I could

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still access it and see what other people

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said, but I I couldn't post anything.

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And, of course, Elon bought Twitter.

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Thank God for Elon. I mean gonna I

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think he's great American hero.

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The Thomas Edison

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of our times, and he's he's a history

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maker. He... He's a transformative,

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figure in history.

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Folks... I I got nothing. I got no

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no skin in the game here. Okay?

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He's...

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He I'm I'm still

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not entirely happy with how my account works.

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He doesn't follow me. All the things,

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people who just came out of nowhere 3

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months ago are I'm getting

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orders of magnitude do more money on monetization

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than I am.

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Nonetheless,

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he changed everything. He... Because he didn't just

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change 1 platform.

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The ripple effect throughout the the culture and

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throughout society has been

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incredibly for found that he did it

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with only a very limited prospect

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of making any money on.

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You know, I agree to you, and and

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I think that, like, all good things, doing

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it commercially, doing it for the capitalist reasons

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helps it grow for everybody. I mean, his

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idea of monetizing the platform, his idea of

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competing with Youtube

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competing with Instagram

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is brilliant. I mean, and I'm with you.

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I don't

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I mean, it's scary. The revenue to comes

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in because sound I'm like, jeez I could

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do this full time, but maybe I couldn't

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because

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there's this always gonna be this way. I

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don't know. It's all, you know, a secret

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sauce so we don't know how it works.

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So you have 66000

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followers, and you're you... And and you're able

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to... And you're getting

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nice juicy checks.

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It's I am. Yeah. It's I mean, you

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know, it's it's

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enough, let's say for a couple of car

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payments. Let's put it that 1.

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Folks, you know, Ron Coleman with his 246000.

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I have enough

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for a couple of groceries for a couple

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of groceries though. Okay.

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I don't... You know... Well, I I think

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the key... It personally... And you've mentioned it

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in the post you put up I think

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just yesterday that I think that Algorithm really

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does favor long form posts.

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And, I mean, I'm basically writing columns a

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lot of times. Right.

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Which I did for years as a blogger,

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and then and I just... I don't have

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it in me anymore.

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But, I mean, I... The the wait I

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just have sort of manic brain there's always

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something ever and so be able to just

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sit down type something out on x is

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very

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therapeutic, I guess. And then, you know, people

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look at it and they like it and

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thing someone pays me money for it. It's

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kinda crazy. What's not to like. Crazy. Yeah.

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Now you

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got onto to Twitter

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around the time of Trump's election.

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The... Was that... Is that just a happen

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to be a coincidence or is is that

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you had something to say at that time?

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No. I mean, I was really rec to

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say anything publicly about my political beliefs

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just in general. I mean,

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you know, you... Get go to law school.

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I mean, and you're surrounded by people who

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are so alien in terms of, you know,

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what they think about the government and what

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they think about society, and I just didn't

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wanna say anything, But I just sort of

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became so outraged

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about the constant barrage of obvious untrue about

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Donald Trump.

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You know, just... You could just... In fact,

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the the thing that made me a Trump

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supporter was long ago and a little photography,

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hobby

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Chat room.

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Before I mean, I hadn't even to heard

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or Trump as a candidate, and someone came

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in said Trump is a racist.

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I mean,

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I I grew up in Jersey. You know

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Donald Trump. Donald Trump isn't building buildings in

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New York City. He isn't owning... Sports teams

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and being a racist.

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And it made me angry. I'm like, you

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guys...

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So literally, that turned me into saying, I

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gotta start saying what I think, because this

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is just wrong.

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And it was actually an individual person who's...

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The first time I ever heard someone called

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Donald Trump Racist. That's what got me energized,

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and that's what caused me to create Twitter

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account.

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But you really grown tremendously in the last,

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I would maybe even 6 months. Right? Yeah.

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So getting...

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Set free by Elon Help. It's only been

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about a year since that happened, And then

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I... Just when you tell you ask how

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many followers did you have?

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I don't know a thousand.

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In other words, nothing. 500 left thousand. I

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think most of them they hadn't been active

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for a long time. So we really was

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none. I mean, this were... You know, it

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was from 6 years prior.

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But

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then

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started building slowly surely people liked it I

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got a lot of positive feedback. I I

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just sort of lapse into doing these sort

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of long form posts, which I think I

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was really 1 of the first people on

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the platform to take advantage of that and

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so that was a catalyst. And then I

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did first... When I first saw your profile,

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III

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tend to be suspicious of the

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classical

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statue.

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Profile accounts because they're frequently...

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I mean, I'm I'm I'm, you know, 1

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of my

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favorite clients is, a Gavin again who

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you know, coined the phrase as far as

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I know Western cha ism.

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I'm I'm all for that. I get it.

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I'm in... I... I'm in favor of the

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same things, but often

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often their their wife's supremacists,

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or or creeps,

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but

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III pay walter to that on a k

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in 2016

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without any knowledge that there were statute people

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that were out there.

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I mean, I'm I'm a huge fan of

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the of the federal papers. I mean, the

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pub is reference to that.

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The this... Is that's really what it is

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It's not a roman reference. It's an American

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revolution reference. Of course.

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And, you know, the the that... And I

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had to ask you before we started today,

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not no classes to die,

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which is not to say I'm not a

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classic.

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Whose picture that was. I mean, whose statue

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that was? That's vi virtual. That's vi.

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I mean told me ready. I knew it

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already.

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I didn't even wanna be quoted as suggesting

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that, and way knew it. Okay, yeah. So

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you... Alright. But so... Yes, the name...

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And yet to send is... But cy in

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the in the true philosophical sense of the

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word.

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Not necessarily in the way we use the

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word

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today, which is a little bit.

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I I don't think to me it means

543
00:19:20,861 --> 00:19:22,236
sort of, you know, Hollywood

544
00:19:22,610 --> 00:19:23,110
sarcastic

545
00:19:23,738 --> 00:19:26,602
Jerry Seinfeld Cynical. I think he's ea.

546
00:19:28,909 --> 00:19:30,555
I I love Seinfeld. By the way, I'm

547
00:19:30,674 --> 00:19:33,387
huge I fill fan. III always explained my

548
00:19:33,387 --> 00:19:34,903
wife because she's not from New Jersey. I

549
00:19:34,903 --> 00:19:37,296
say, look, you wanna understand my family. It's

550
00:19:37,296 --> 00:19:39,541
stick stands a Okay. That's got my family.

551
00:19:41,689 --> 00:19:42,326
But but

552
00:19:43,042 --> 00:19:44,553
no. By cynical to me, it's more of

553
00:19:44,553 --> 00:19:47,202
a a deep business. Philosophical look at what

554
00:19:47,202 --> 00:19:49,519
lies beneath the conventional wisdom to me, that's

555
00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:50,078
what that means.

556
00:19:51,915 --> 00:19:52,415
Now

557
00:19:52,809 --> 00:19:55,121
that's interesting to me because you you just

558
00:19:55,121 --> 00:19:56,875
talked... You mentioned how much you like Seinfeld.

559
00:19:57,911 --> 00:19:59,129
You have been accused

560
00:19:59,585 --> 00:20:01,020
by people who are who don't...

561
00:20:01,673 --> 00:20:03,269
Look closely at the feet And I love

562
00:20:03,269 --> 00:20:04,784
when people jump in and decide what you

563
00:20:04,784 --> 00:20:07,257
are based on 1 tweet. We've without the

564
00:20:07,257 --> 00:20:07,757
slightest

565
00:20:08,214 --> 00:20:08,613
diligence.

566
00:20:09,490 --> 00:20:10,867
So we've been accused

567
00:20:11,738 --> 00:20:12,535
of being a jew.

568
00:20:13,969 --> 00:20:15,584
And you've had to explain

569
00:20:16,996 --> 00:20:18,032
no. Not that.

570
00:20:18,844 --> 00:20:21,162
First of all, you know, III am a

571
00:20:21,162 --> 00:20:23,079
strong believer in that term the judeo of

572
00:20:23,239 --> 00:20:23,739
Christian

573
00:20:24,438 --> 00:20:26,835
tradition. I think that our nation is built

574
00:20:26,835 --> 00:20:28,764
on that. You know, I think when you

575
00:20:28,764 --> 00:20:31,633
talk about the commonality between beginning Christian and

576
00:20:31,633 --> 00:20:33,147
a jew, a big part it is God

577
00:20:33,147 --> 00:20:35,872
isn't forcing you to worship him, you're choosing

578
00:20:35,872 --> 00:20:37,547
to worship him. I mean, and that's liberty.

579
00:20:37,786 --> 00:20:39,541
That's freedom, and that's what our country's built

580
00:20:39,541 --> 00:20:42,013
on. So I'm huge believer in the Judeo

581
00:20:42,093 --> 00:20:44,247
Christian tradition. I grew up in new Jersey.

582
00:20:44,486 --> 00:20:44,645
I mean,

583
00:20:45,379 --> 00:20:47,137
you know, there were the catholic kids the

584
00:20:47,137 --> 00:20:48,815
price kids that jewish was kids. It didn't

585
00:20:48,815 --> 00:20:51,132
matter. You know, It was all just what

586
00:20:51,132 --> 00:20:52,571
you were all just there or hanging out

587
00:20:52,571 --> 00:20:55,143
in the street, playing playing baseball or whatever.

588
00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:58,598
But, you know, what I think I said

589
00:20:58,657 --> 00:21:00,495
accusation now is my strong support for Israel,

590
00:21:01,067 --> 00:21:02,817
And and and so much of the time

591
00:21:02,817 --> 00:21:04,566
that I and I actually wrote a tablet

592
00:21:04,566 --> 00:21:06,554
article about this, which they published under my

593
00:21:06,554 --> 00:21:07,587
cynical published name.

594
00:21:08,954 --> 00:21:10,863
Talk about that. That's a an incredible. That

595
00:21:10,863 --> 00:21:14,203
is that blue people away. Yeah. That's a

596
00:21:14,203 --> 00:21:16,192
great magazine, and I was privileged to write

597
00:21:16,192 --> 00:21:18,908
for it. But You know, the idea is

598
00:21:19,067 --> 00:21:20,258
I spent a lot of time in the

599
00:21:20,337 --> 00:21:21,766
Middle East. I mean, not just at war.

600
00:21:22,004 --> 00:21:23,433
I I lived in kuwait for a year.

601
00:21:23,910 --> 00:21:25,656
I've been saudi. I've been the Jordan and

602
00:21:25,815 --> 00:21:28,376
I've traveled. It's... Extensively. I've I've lived in

603
00:21:28,376 --> 00:21:31,322
the culture because as a logistics software working

604
00:21:31,322 --> 00:21:32,914
day to day with the local governments and

605
00:21:32,994 --> 00:21:35,007
I made friends, we're we're in

606
00:21:35,479 --> 00:21:36,858
in the tents at Rama,

607
00:21:37,636 --> 00:21:39,793
eating rice with our hands and drinking tea,

608
00:21:40,113 --> 00:21:41,631
playing cards in the middle of the night

609
00:21:41,631 --> 00:21:42,131
and

610
00:21:42,604 --> 00:21:44,120
but at the same time, there were so

611
00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:45,955
many appalling things that I saw. I mean,

612
00:21:46,034 --> 00:21:47,072
the way women are treated,

613
00:21:48,428 --> 00:21:48,986
the way...

614
00:21:51,070 --> 00:21:52,340
Lgbtq people are treated,

615
00:21:52,896 --> 00:21:54,881
the the way that you see folks who

616
00:21:54,881 --> 00:21:57,581
are coming from places like Bangladesh to work

617
00:21:57,581 --> 00:21:59,587
in sweeping the street who are like, literal

618
00:21:59,587 --> 00:21:59,905
slaves.

619
00:22:00,543 --> 00:22:02,694
It it's just like it's so liberal.

620
00:22:03,172 --> 00:22:04,765
But the 1 place in the region that

621
00:22:04,765 --> 00:22:07,018
is truly liberal. The truly em pot

622
00:22:07,409 --> 00:22:09,490
the sort of progressive ideals that the people

623
00:22:09,490 --> 00:22:10,390
on the left

624
00:22:11,250 --> 00:22:14,470
demand is Israel. I mean, israel's at democracy

625
00:22:14,529 --> 00:22:17,576
it's got guaranteed liberty and it's it's 22

626
00:22:17,576 --> 00:22:19,562
percent of the country is non Jewish Arabs,

627
00:22:20,436 --> 00:22:23,376
and and it's it's it's a remarkable place

628
00:22:23,376 --> 00:22:24,928
that's brought out of nowhere.

629
00:22:25,545 --> 00:22:27,779
And, I mean, actually, I have... I've done

630
00:22:27,779 --> 00:22:29,136
a lot of deals in Israel,

631
00:22:30,013 --> 00:22:32,259
and, you know, just how advanced the companies

632
00:22:32,259 --> 00:22:33,926
are there. The technology is coming out of

633
00:22:33,926 --> 00:22:36,228
it bit. Everything about it is what everyone

634
00:22:36,228 --> 00:22:37,284
ought to aspire

635
00:22:37,815 --> 00:22:39,959
to... From the left, yet they hate it.

636
00:22:40,435 --> 00:22:41,879
The And makes no sense to me. I

637
00:22:41,879 --> 00:22:43,943
can't figure it out. So that's why I've

638
00:22:43,943 --> 00:22:45,293
been put unquote accused.

639
00:22:45,769 --> 00:22:46,960
I guess you're not allowed to stand up

640
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,786
for Israel if you're not jewish apparently.

641
00:22:49,580 --> 00:22:49,634
And

642
00:22:50,631 --> 00:22:51,668
it well, you know,

643
00:22:52,864 --> 00:22:53,524
it is,

644
00:22:53,981 --> 00:22:54,220
you know,

645
00:22:56,373 --> 00:22:58,707
it it it's something that

646
00:22:59,339 --> 00:23:01,333
I'm not all that surprised at, but I'm

647
00:23:01,492 --> 00:23:04,625
I'm certainly deeply disappointed in the way that

648
00:23:04,683 --> 00:23:05,342
it is,

649
00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:07,794
you know, the growth of anti semitism has

650
00:23:07,794 --> 00:23:09,011
been handled by

651
00:23:09,324 --> 00:23:10,859
the people who are supposed to be

652
00:23:11,953 --> 00:23:12,453
managing

653
00:23:12,829 --> 00:23:16,117
things like public violence and and and public,

654
00:23:16,414 --> 00:23:16,733
you know,

655
00:23:17,689 --> 00:23:18,189
universities,

656
00:23:18,978 --> 00:23:21,046
conduct them thing like that. But I think

657
00:23:21,046 --> 00:23:21,603
that's beyond...

658
00:23:23,034 --> 00:23:24,545
You know, we we have much more interesting

659
00:23:24,545 --> 00:23:26,135
is to talk about that are aren't being

660
00:23:26,135 --> 00:23:26,954
talked about

661
00:23:28,303 --> 00:23:29,981
Yeah. But but not only that, I mean,

662
00:23:30,221 --> 00:23:31,260
I I just put up on the screen

663
00:23:31,580 --> 00:23:34,616
type a particular quote that that I made

664
00:23:34,616 --> 00:23:36,867
your opinion on this topic. Yes, you've done

665
00:23:36,867 --> 00:23:37,586
deals in Israel.

666
00:23:38,543 --> 00:23:40,320
But you also as a

667
00:23:40,778 --> 00:23:41,996
former United States

668
00:23:42,613 --> 00:23:43,411
military officer.

669
00:23:44,858 --> 00:23:45,970
Are able to

670
00:23:47,162 --> 00:23:48,830
to say what it says in this pull

671
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:49,306
quote here.

672
00:23:50,974 --> 00:23:51,212
Yeah.

673
00:23:51,927 --> 00:23:52,506
It's an

674
00:23:54,405 --> 00:23:55,996
I'm sorry. I cut you. Go. No. No.

675
00:23:56,155 --> 00:23:57,985
I'm saying it's an it's an extraordinary Yeah.

676
00:23:58,223 --> 00:23:59,655
Level of credibility that you have to be

677
00:23:59,655 --> 00:24:01,739
able to say that. Well, I mean, some...

678
00:24:02,217 --> 00:24:03,411
I'm sure a lot of my listeners are

679
00:24:03,411 --> 00:24:05,980
sitting there who are, like, former infantry seals

680
00:24:06,515 --> 00:24:08,584
Saying, hey, you know, this logistic. Was, you

681
00:24:08,584 --> 00:24:10,039
know what he's talking about. But

682
00:24:10,750 --> 00:24:13,230
it, you know, it was AAA nonlinear warfare

683
00:24:13,230 --> 00:24:15,150
or Iraq and Afghanistan, and there were plenty

684
00:24:15,150 --> 00:24:16,690
of instances where

685
00:24:16,990 --> 00:24:18,669
you weren't unsure whether or not you should

686
00:24:18,669 --> 00:24:19,630
light somebody up or not.

687
00:24:20,842 --> 00:24:22,359
Because you weren't sure they were actually the

688
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,952
enemy. And the War, it's it's it's... You

689
00:24:25,952 --> 00:24:28,687
do everything you can to mitigate

690
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,839
harming or killing someone who's in innocent, but

691
00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:35,319
it's war. Right? It's impossible. Under there's certain

692
00:24:35,319 --> 00:24:36,359
measures that you take,

693
00:24:37,335 --> 00:24:40,454
civilian risk mitigation measures. And the what I've

694
00:24:40,454 --> 00:24:41,755
studied about the Id

695
00:24:42,134 --> 00:24:44,054
is that their state of the art. I

696
00:24:44,054 --> 00:24:44,214
mean,

697
00:24:45,986 --> 00:24:46,303
yes,

698
00:24:47,810 --> 00:24:50,111
there are civilians to get killed, but you

699
00:24:50,111 --> 00:24:52,728
do everything you can, and you don't target

700
00:24:52,728 --> 00:24:54,654
them. I'm like, come up. Who and hezbollah

701
00:24:54,815 --> 00:24:56,654
Blog who decide they wanna just shoot random

702
00:24:56,654 --> 00:24:58,414
missiles in Israel to kill as many civilians

703
00:24:58,414 --> 00:24:58,974
as they can,

704
00:24:59,535 --> 00:25:01,214
where they're deliberately targeting civilians.

705
00:25:01,710 --> 00:25:03,309
So I I have a real problem with

706
00:25:03,309 --> 00:25:04,190
people who accuse,

707
00:25:04,909 --> 00:25:07,230
particularly people who are also military folks who

708
00:25:07,230 --> 00:25:09,549
accuse Ivf of literally targeting civilians.

709
00:25:10,763 --> 00:25:12,838
You know, And then while they're closing their

710
00:25:12,838 --> 00:25:15,073
eyes to the fact that has blonde hamas

711
00:25:15,073 --> 00:25:16,909
or shooting rockets every night it israel real.

712
00:25:17,069 --> 00:25:17,867
It's ridiculous.

713
00:25:19,477 --> 00:25:20,193
And here we are.

714
00:25:22,817 --> 00:25:23,532
Would you...

715
00:25:25,998 --> 00:25:27,986
Is is is the middle is a military

716
00:25:27,986 --> 00:25:28,486
career

717
00:25:30,780 --> 00:25:31,914
do you regret

718
00:25:33,557 --> 00:25:35,619
having spent 22 years in the army? No.

719
00:25:35,857 --> 00:25:38,258
No. Absolutely not. It's... It's maybe who I

720
00:25:38,258 --> 00:25:40,256
am... I I the some of them, you

721
00:25:40,256 --> 00:25:43,132
know, putting aside family stuff professionally,

722
00:25:43,691 --> 00:25:45,884
the most rewarding moments of my life. Or

723
00:25:46,102 --> 00:25:48,016
in the military. I wouldn't traded it for

724
00:25:48,016 --> 00:25:48,415
anything,

725
00:25:48,973 --> 00:25:51,924
what what frustrate me, and this is what

726
00:25:51,924 --> 00:25:53,679
frustrated me when I came home from my

727
00:25:53,679 --> 00:25:54,179
iraq

728
00:25:54,556 --> 00:25:57,544
is that we were fighting a war with

729
00:25:57,921 --> 00:26:00,553
Aca qaeda Iraq where their stated goal was

730
00:26:00,553 --> 00:26:02,388
to break the American will. That's what they

731
00:26:02,388 --> 00:26:03,664
were trying to do. They knew they couldn't

732
00:26:03,664 --> 00:26:05,353
beat this momentarily. They were trying to break

733
00:26:05,353 --> 00:26:07,974
the American will. And they succeeded because of

734
00:26:07,974 --> 00:26:08,768
people who were home,

735
00:26:09,483 --> 00:26:10,833
bush lied, people died,

736
00:26:11,310 --> 00:26:13,216
you know, the the... I was in Washington

737
00:26:13,295 --> 00:26:15,139
Dc. I was pentagon on. I would seeing

738
00:26:15,139 --> 00:26:16,575
it right there alive in front of me.

739
00:26:17,692 --> 00:26:18,192
And

740
00:26:18,570 --> 00:26:20,645
they weren't supporting the troops that were down

741
00:26:20,645 --> 00:26:22,102
range. I don't think

742
00:26:23,054 --> 00:26:25,855
or nation despite as many patriots or are

743
00:26:25,855 --> 00:26:26,755
despite as many

744
00:26:27,134 --> 00:26:29,054
patriots are who following me. I don't think

745
00:26:29,054 --> 00:26:30,274
our nation collectively

746
00:26:30,575 --> 00:26:33,538
possesses the will. To fight any war to

747
00:26:33,538 --> 00:26:36,399
conclusion unless it's national survival, in which case,

748
00:26:37,273 --> 00:26:39,204
we should never send our troops anywhere

749
00:26:39,594 --> 00:26:41,191
I mean, we should... If we're not gonna

750
00:26:41,191 --> 00:26:42,708
fight it to win it, we shouldn't fight

751
00:26:42,708 --> 00:26:45,981
it. So I expressed that frustration, but at

752
00:26:45,981 --> 00:26:47,817
the same time, the culture of the United

753
00:26:47,897 --> 00:26:50,386
States Army, the the the connections I made,

754
00:26:50,545 --> 00:26:51,285
The challenges,

755
00:26:51,742 --> 00:26:53,975
the personal things that that you are able

756
00:26:53,975 --> 00:26:56,367
to overcome and and that you're able to

757
00:26:56,367 --> 00:26:58,303
accomplish. You know, there's

758
00:26:59,333 --> 00:26:59,891
there there's a...

759
00:27:01,165 --> 00:27:02,600
In the Ac airborne division to have a

760
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:02,998
thing

761
00:27:03,476 --> 00:27:05,548
once a year called all American week. Would

762
00:27:05,548 --> 00:27:05,787
you have...

763
00:27:06,518 --> 00:27:09,143
Festivities and parades and celebrate the history of

764
00:27:09,143 --> 00:27:09,700
the division.

765
00:27:10,416 --> 00:27:10,814
And,

766
00:27:11,609 --> 00:27:13,121
1 year, I was there. There was a

767
00:27:13,121 --> 00:27:16,005
general James Lindsay, former 4 star general, 4

768
00:27:16,005 --> 00:27:17,201
star commander. He got out there in front

769
00:27:17,201 --> 00:27:19,434
of the whole division on the field and

770
00:27:19,434 --> 00:27:21,267
said, no matter where you go and no

771
00:27:21,267 --> 00:27:23,111
matter what you do, For the rest of

772
00:27:23,111 --> 00:27:23,745
your life.

773
00:27:24,538 --> 00:27:26,283
You can walk up to anyone and say,

774
00:27:26,521 --> 00:27:27,869
I was a para trooper in the 80

775
00:27:27,869 --> 00:27:30,065
second airborne division, what did you do for

776
00:27:30,501 --> 00:27:30,740
and

777
00:27:31,693 --> 00:27:33,680
That's how it feels. You feel un invincible

778
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,428
when you do when you experience that. So,

779
00:27:35,587 --> 00:27:36,858
yeah, I love Band brothers.

780
00:27:37,668 --> 00:27:37,826
Oh,

781
00:27:38,698 --> 00:27:38,935
yeah.

782
00:27:39,807 --> 00:27:41,629
Yes. I mean, I've watched it so many

783
00:27:41,629 --> 00:27:42,525
times, and

784
00:27:43,055 --> 00:27:44,085
we're we're...

785
00:27:44,894 --> 00:27:47,372
We're para Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded.

786
00:27:47,611 --> 00:27:48,970
I mean, I can quote it like I

787
00:27:48,970 --> 00:27:49,769
can quote seinfeld.

788
00:27:50,488 --> 00:27:52,166
But, yeah. I mean, so the point answer

789
00:27:52,166 --> 00:27:53,605
your question is, yes. I'm very proud of

790
00:27:53,605 --> 00:27:55,773
I'm service. I'm very happy to observe. I

791
00:27:55,773 --> 00:27:57,709
think it's unfortunate that America

792
00:27:58,326 --> 00:28:02,494
has turned its troops into pawns for politics.

793
00:28:04,163 --> 00:28:06,476
Most often, and that's 1 of the refrain

794
00:28:06,635 --> 00:28:08,310
I have on my account. That seems to

795
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:09,427
really resonate with people.

796
00:28:10,065 --> 00:28:11,900
Is... And it it it doesn't... It seems

797
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:13,256
like it's really baked into the system.

798
00:28:15,737 --> 00:28:17,430
Is is there any way

799
00:28:17,885 --> 00:28:20,271
because, yet. We we have this power. God

800
00:28:20,271 --> 00:28:21,623
has bestowed on this country.

801
00:28:22,354 --> 00:28:23,811
And maybe it's sort of the

802
00:28:25,942 --> 00:28:26,580
it's sort of the

803
00:28:27,776 --> 00:28:28,595
check and balance

804
00:28:29,609 --> 00:28:30,486
in the big picture.

805
00:28:31,539 --> 00:28:34,119
That a country that has more

806
00:28:34,980 --> 00:28:37,700
military capability than any empire ever did in

807
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:38,099
history.

808
00:28:39,393 --> 00:28:41,221
The ability to project military power,

809
00:28:42,414 --> 00:28:42,812
unparalleled.

810
00:28:45,117 --> 00:28:46,572
It's also so

811
00:28:48,314 --> 00:28:49,610
systematically unable

812
00:28:50,463 --> 00:28:51,679
to maintain

813
00:28:53,726 --> 00:28:55,637
a strategic policy of any kind.

814
00:28:57,801 --> 00:28:59,475
I great. Is there any way to fix

815
00:28:59,475 --> 00:29:01,148
that? Well, I think part of the problem

816
00:29:01,148 --> 00:29:02,764
is in ga put my finger

817
00:29:03,140 --> 00:29:04,437
at mostly

818
00:29:04,749 --> 00:29:06,505
perhaps a lot of republicans as well. Is

819
00:29:06,505 --> 00:29:09,000
this concept of responsibility to protect

820
00:29:09,378 --> 00:29:12,092
or R 2? I'm actually working on something

821
00:29:12,092 --> 00:29:13,050
to write up about that.

822
00:29:14,182 --> 00:29:15,460
It's it's a sort of a very left

823
00:29:15,460 --> 00:29:17,694
wing strategy for people who never actually wore

824
00:29:17,694 --> 00:29:19,530
the uniform, but, like they didn't inhabit at

825
00:29:19,530 --> 00:29:21,445
the upper echelon of the department of defense.

826
00:29:22,179 --> 00:29:23,857
The idea that if if the United States

827
00:29:23,857 --> 00:29:26,494
has a capability to send trip somewhere to

828
00:29:26,494 --> 00:29:28,433
prevent suffering to prevent

829
00:29:28,812 --> 00:29:31,220
genocide to prevent a dark forward. Prevent in

830
00:29:31,220 --> 00:29:32,966
this case, they're gonna say to prevent what's

831
00:29:32,966 --> 00:29:33,760
happening in Gaza,

832
00:29:34,315 --> 00:29:36,855
then we should. We have that responsibility to

833
00:29:36,855 --> 00:29:39,181
protect because we have this power, which

834
00:29:39,730 --> 00:29:41,250
as we used to say you army brief

835
00:29:41,250 --> 00:29:41,570
swell,

836
00:29:42,049 --> 00:29:44,049
but the reality is is when you do

837
00:29:44,049 --> 00:29:45,490
that when you put boots on the ground,

838
00:29:45,650 --> 00:29:47,570
you're fighting against a thinking enemy. And I

839
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:49,305
don't care if that thinking enemy doesn't have

840
00:29:49,424 --> 00:29:51,252
scenes are not, they're gonna figure out a

841
00:29:51,252 --> 00:29:53,320
way to come at you. Americans are gonna

842
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,944
die. And over time, the American well is

843
00:29:55,944 --> 00:29:58,428
gonna erode and saying, why are we there?

844
00:29:58,668 --> 00:29:59,866
The loose sight of why you were there

845
00:29:59,866 --> 00:30:01,944
in the first place. Somalia is the perfect

846
00:30:01,944 --> 00:30:04,101
example of that. And there's all... Or and

847
00:30:04,101 --> 00:30:06,268
there's also the... I mean... Again, this seems

848
00:30:06,268 --> 00:30:07,617
to be baked into democracy.

849
00:30:08,649 --> 00:30:10,237
And and to some extent,

850
00:30:11,507 --> 00:30:14,618
the cold war insulated us against it. For

851
00:30:14,618 --> 00:30:16,373
a while and to some respect, but even

852
00:30:16,373 --> 00:30:19,243
then, but Vietnam was a comparable experience.

853
00:30:21,396 --> 00:30:23,012
There are people who will take

854
00:30:23,801 --> 00:30:25,709
really cynical political advantage.

855
00:30:26,662 --> 00:30:27,218
Oh, yeah.

856
00:30:28,331 --> 00:30:30,000
You know, of of that phenomenon,

857
00:30:30,968 --> 00:30:32,719
And I I mean, again, you you you

858
00:30:32,719 --> 00:30:34,548
do want checks on the system so that

859
00:30:34,548 --> 00:30:35,764
we don't abuse this

860
00:30:36,219 --> 00:30:38,685
phenomenal power. But the idea that you will

861
00:30:38,685 --> 00:30:40,685
vote for the Iraq war and then blame...

862
00:30:40,923 --> 00:30:43,303
Run against the iraq war that you voted

863
00:30:43,303 --> 00:30:43,541
for,

864
00:30:44,890 --> 00:30:45,207
you know,

865
00:30:46,635 --> 00:30:49,112
war in your... In your election or reelection

866
00:30:49,112 --> 00:30:49,430
campaign.

867
00:30:50,542 --> 00:30:52,369
I am scarred by that, Ron. That that

868
00:30:52,369 --> 00:30:54,752
is just burned on my soul seriously, which

869
00:30:54,752 --> 00:30:57,631
you just described scarred me. It was coming

870
00:30:57,631 --> 00:31:00,603
back from my iraq and experiencing that was

871
00:31:02,177 --> 00:31:04,171
turned my world upside down. I can't explain

872
00:31:04,171 --> 00:31:05,925
how harsh it was to experience what you

873
00:31:05,925 --> 00:31:07,458
just... Described, but you're absolutely right.

874
00:31:10,415 --> 00:31:11,714
So does it mean

875
00:31:12,333 --> 00:31:14,091
that we should... I mean, so so what

876
00:31:14,091 --> 00:31:15,130
what is the policy?

877
00:31:15,863 --> 00:31:17,217
I I think I think... And this is

878
00:31:17,217 --> 00:31:18,891
actually something a lot of my followers say,

879
00:31:19,050 --> 00:31:22,019
whenever I talk about war or... Yeah. The

880
00:31:22,077 --> 00:31:24,786
constitution has this thing called Congress declaring War.

881
00:31:25,105 --> 00:31:27,273
Well You know, I mean, we tried to

882
00:31:27,273 --> 00:31:28,868
do this sort of halfway measure with the

883
00:31:28,948 --> 00:31:31,341
War powers act, which, you know, doesn't really

884
00:31:31,341 --> 00:31:32,378
accomplish much of anything.

885
00:31:33,574 --> 00:31:35,111
Is it's just window dressing

886
00:31:35,424 --> 00:31:37,262
if if we're going if we're going to

887
00:31:37,262 --> 00:31:39,259
go to war, we need to define it

888
00:31:39,259 --> 00:31:41,576
as such. And and, you know, police actions,

889
00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:43,670
you know, sending And mean as far as

890
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:45,609
I'm concerned, we shouldn't sent

891
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:49,210
Us troops with with the peer to Gaza

892
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:50,869
without a declaration of war. I mean, we're

893
00:31:50,869 --> 00:31:51,830
taking American sold.

894
00:31:52,561 --> 00:31:55,187
Pulling them in Harm way overseas. We need

895
00:31:55,187 --> 00:31:56,779
to have the national world to do that.

896
00:31:56,938 --> 00:31:57,995
And we have elected

897
00:31:58,529 --> 00:31:59,029
Democratic

898
00:31:59,579 --> 00:32:00,859
options in the form of the congress and

899
00:32:00,859 --> 00:32:04,380
the president, whose job it is to decide

900
00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:06,539
whether or not they're going to do that,

901
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:09,019
and then they're going to get or elected

902
00:32:09,019 --> 00:32:11,275
based on that decision, but they need to

903
00:32:11,275 --> 00:32:13,115
commit to it via a declaration of war

904
00:32:13,115 --> 00:32:14,795
and not be wishy washy. Just just like

905
00:32:14,795 --> 00:32:16,474
you said, like, I voted it before I

906
00:32:16,474 --> 00:32:19,127
forward it against it on Mean, it's... We

907
00:32:19,127 --> 00:32:21,525
need that definitive... Yeah. We're all in this

908
00:32:21,525 --> 00:32:23,203
and ran it to win. But when you

909
00:32:23,203 --> 00:32:24,562
the Declare war. Right? You have to declare

910
00:32:24,562 --> 00:32:25,441
war against someone.

911
00:32:27,612 --> 00:32:28,648
Right? Yes.

912
00:32:29,446 --> 00:32:30,801
So if you're... Let's say,

913
00:32:32,236 --> 00:32:32,794
let's say,

914
00:32:33,670 --> 00:32:35,026
there's a rationale.

915
00:32:35,439 --> 00:32:36,711
And I don't know heart... I think we've

916
00:32:36,711 --> 00:32:38,621
learned that these rationale are seldom,

917
00:32:39,655 --> 00:32:41,882
work out very well. For a peace mission.

918
00:32:42,693 --> 00:32:44,766
We're gonna get in between 2 sets of

919
00:32:44,766 --> 00:32:45,803
kebabs. We're not going work with the other

920
00:32:45,803 --> 00:32:46,919
1 of them. We just want them to

921
00:32:46,919 --> 00:32:48,513
know, then if either 1 crosses over the

922
00:32:48,513 --> 00:32:49,869
line, then they're gonna have to deal with

923
00:32:49,869 --> 00:32:51,796
the 80 second airport. But there's a lot...

924
00:32:51,955 --> 00:32:53,307
There's a look... There's a little trick in

925
00:32:53,307 --> 00:32:54,897
my mind with what I just said when

926
00:32:54,977 --> 00:32:56,988
I said that we shouldn't sent trips abroad

927
00:32:57,125 --> 00:32:59,431
with without declaration award, meaning would never do

928
00:32:59,431 --> 00:33:01,678
those... Missions because they wouldn't been gonna bother.

929
00:33:01,917 --> 00:33:03,511
That's right. I mean, I set up for

930
00:33:03,511 --> 00:33:05,345
that. That that's the only way you can

931
00:33:05,345 --> 00:33:08,157
answer my question because those those of all

932
00:33:08,468 --> 00:33:10,531
either you end up withdrawn because 1 side

933
00:33:10,531 --> 00:33:13,967
refuses to Back down or you end up

934
00:33:14,023 --> 00:33:16,348
getting 300 marines killed because

935
00:33:17,054 --> 00:33:18,413
as you said, there's always gonna be a

936
00:33:18,413 --> 00:33:19,531
chin in the arm. I mean, you know,

937
00:33:19,931 --> 00:33:21,549
so there's the there's this

938
00:33:22,807 --> 00:33:23,867
idea out there

939
00:33:24,326 --> 00:33:24,565
that...

940
00:33:25,379 --> 00:33:26,437
If insurgents

941
00:33:26,974 --> 00:33:27,792
or a

942
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:33,193
inferior or or or smaller,

943
00:33:34,484 --> 00:33:37,836
force is able to penetrate or inflict damage

944
00:33:37,836 --> 00:33:39,513
against a major power.

945
00:33:40,151 --> 00:33:42,626
That can only be because someone lets them.

946
00:33:44,073 --> 00:33:45,739
In other words, either it's an inside job

947
00:33:45,739 --> 00:33:46,691
or it's a false flag.

948
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,103
And therefore, the only way October seventh that

949
00:33:50,103 --> 00:33:52,262
could have happened was because these israelis. Wanted

950
00:33:52,262 --> 00:33:54,094
it to happen. Just just like the Americans,

951
00:33:54,571 --> 00:33:57,677
were... You know, there was this myth that

952
00:33:57,836 --> 00:33:58,336
Roosevelt

953
00:33:58,792 --> 00:34:00,146
wanted Pearl Harbor to happen,

954
00:34:01,512 --> 00:34:02,544
I mean, you have to be a a

955
00:34:02,544 --> 00:34:04,847
there... An incredibly cynical person they're not in

956
00:34:04,847 --> 00:34:07,230
the cynical public published way. To believe that

957
00:34:07,230 --> 00:34:09,771
kind of stuff, but from from a military,

958
00:34:10,263 --> 00:34:10,820
point of view.

959
00:34:11,775 --> 00:34:14,081
What... Isn't it is isn't it really the

960
00:34:14,081 --> 00:34:16,865
case that it's always easier to in inflict

961
00:34:16,865 --> 00:34:18,160
damage than to

962
00:34:19,107 --> 00:34:19,663
than 2.

963
00:34:21,411 --> 00:34:21,911
Prevent

964
00:34:22,604 --> 00:34:24,693
that that to guarantee a hundred percent

965
00:34:25,465 --> 00:34:27,055
vulnerability... In vulnerability from damage,

966
00:34:28,104 --> 00:34:30,098
Yeah. It is. I but I I think

967
00:34:30,098 --> 00:34:32,730
that the problem that people have is they

968
00:34:32,730 --> 00:34:33,549
have very

969
00:34:34,006 --> 00:34:36,878
simplistic notions about who we fight. I I

970
00:34:36,878 --> 00:34:37,617
always say

971
00:34:38,326 --> 00:34:40,628
you're always gonna be fighting a thinking enemy.

972
00:34:41,025 --> 00:34:42,612
Your is a smart is...

973
00:34:43,405 --> 00:34:45,724
The is as smart as you are. Yeah.

974
00:34:45,885 --> 00:34:48,445
The the Taliban may have been blowing up,

975
00:34:48,605 --> 00:34:52,204
you know, historic statues and and completely...

976
00:34:53,255 --> 00:34:56,347
Den women and having slavery and god knows

977
00:34:56,347 --> 00:34:58,962
what else. But when... You know, they're smart

978
00:34:58,962 --> 00:35:01,039
people. They know how to fight a symmetrical.

979
00:35:01,356 --> 00:35:03,501
They get... They proved it against Soviets. They

980
00:35:03,501 --> 00:35:05,906
proved it against us, you find the vulnerability,

981
00:35:06,359 --> 00:35:08,265
and then you attack it because it's it's

982
00:35:08,265 --> 00:35:10,428
what they call asymmetrical worth there. You know,

983
00:35:10,667 --> 00:35:14,019
your... Our weakness as the United States is

984
00:35:14,019 --> 00:35:16,493
not anything having to do with technology or

985
00:35:16,493 --> 00:35:19,144
the quality of our forces fair it's the

986
00:35:19,144 --> 00:35:21,385
national strategic will. That's our weakness,

987
00:35:21,784 --> 00:35:23,944
and that will always be targeted. I mean,

988
00:35:24,105 --> 00:35:25,385
that was what was happening in I iraq.

989
00:35:25,545 --> 00:35:27,599
The whole idea behind my Ids was let's

990
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,119
run up to death count, so mer will

991
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:33,800
quit. There was no, like, tactical imperative. There

992
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,640
was no holding ground. There was nothing that

993
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,494
you would classically see and, you know, drive

994
00:35:37,574 --> 00:35:39,651
World war 2 movies. There was just let's

995
00:35:39,651 --> 00:35:41,010
kill as many people as we can so

996
00:35:41,010 --> 00:35:41,569
they'll quit.

997
00:35:42,209 --> 00:35:44,447
And and your enemy is always gonna identify

998
00:35:44,447 --> 00:35:46,285
that weakness and they're always gonna target it.

999
00:35:46,858 --> 00:35:49,410
And people just think that, oh, these are

1000
00:35:49,489 --> 00:35:51,483
Stone age Taliban guys. They don't know what

1001
00:35:51,483 --> 00:35:53,099
we're doing no. They're very sophisticated

1002
00:35:53,636 --> 00:35:54,912
in their understanding the warfare.

1003
00:35:55,724 --> 00:35:57,712
But also they're they're often getting help from

1004
00:35:57,712 --> 00:35:58,928
first world countries

1005
00:35:59,303 --> 00:36:00,280
who... There was

1006
00:36:00,655 --> 00:36:01,632
intelligence services

1007
00:36:02,007 --> 00:36:03,916
are have a very strong interest. In...

1008
00:36:04,809 --> 00:36:07,630
Undermining any American expansion or

1009
00:36:08,089 --> 00:36:08,589
or

1010
00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:10,730
retention of influence,

1011
00:36:11,464 --> 00:36:12,658
Yeah. I mean 1 of the things are

1012
00:36:12,658 --> 00:36:14,727
frustrated the heck out of me in Iraq

1013
00:36:14,727 --> 00:36:15,227
was

1014
00:36:15,603 --> 00:36:16,080
clearly,

1015
00:36:17,831 --> 00:36:20,856
there at least a not A hq, but,

1016
00:36:21,909 --> 00:36:24,789
the saw forces were being armed by Iran.

1017
00:36:25,029 --> 00:36:26,710
And so when that was something that I

1018
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:27,909
forget who said it, but it was Boss

1019
00:36:27,909 --> 00:36:30,079
or staining or someone. Oh, you're making that

1020
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:32,468
up, you know, Now, and absolutely, they were

1021
00:36:32,468 --> 00:36:35,016
supporting the forces against this. Just like they're

1022
00:36:35,016 --> 00:36:37,166
supporting hamas against Israel. I mean,

1023
00:36:37,818 --> 00:36:40,048
anyone who who Dow is an idiot.

1024
00:36:43,951 --> 00:36:45,702
That's another issue with. I guess, you know

1025
00:36:45,702 --> 00:36:45,862
what?

1026
00:36:46,991 --> 00:36:50,094
Iran, the the the obsession with the with

1027
00:36:50,094 --> 00:36:50,832
the Biden

1028
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,907
administration and it's present day proxy

1029
00:36:55,603 --> 00:36:57,221
on making Iran

1030
00:36:57,758 --> 00:36:58,258
a

1031
00:36:59,513 --> 00:37:00,311
regional he,

1032
00:37:01,682 --> 00:37:03,277
I've asked this peep... I've asked a few

1033
00:37:03,277 --> 00:37:05,590
people on my show, why what why do

1034
00:37:05,590 --> 00:37:06,547
they think that's the case.

1035
00:37:07,584 --> 00:37:09,179
And you know, a couple of them have

1036
00:37:09,179 --> 00:37:10,637
said, well, any anything that

1037
00:37:11,188 --> 00:37:12,643
reduces American power

1038
00:37:13,337 --> 00:37:14,451
therefore. But I mean, that's...

1039
00:37:15,565 --> 00:37:16,463
Is there any

1040
00:37:16,839 --> 00:37:18,909
better spin? Is there any way to to

1041
00:37:18,909 --> 00:37:19,409
explain

1042
00:37:19,784 --> 00:37:20,284
why

1043
00:37:20,834 --> 00:37:23,391
short of being anti American or being cultural

1044
00:37:23,391 --> 00:37:25,468
marxist or something. Is there any way to...

1045
00:37:25,868 --> 00:37:28,758
That a reasonable person can say, here's the

1046
00:37:28,758 --> 00:37:30,194
school of thought. You may not know... This

1047
00:37:30,194 --> 00:37:32,688
may not be your field of study but

1048
00:37:34,102 --> 00:37:36,415
why why would it be good for American

1049
00:37:36,415 --> 00:37:38,385
foreign policy for Iran to be

1050
00:37:40,105 --> 00:37:42,505
a regional adjuvant to have nuclear aren't because,

1051
00:37:42,824 --> 00:37:44,824
obviously, that's something that bite, you know,

1052
00:37:46,276 --> 00:37:48,659
I agree your other guess, Braun. I mean,

1053
00:37:48,897 --> 00:37:50,486
I don't know another answer. I mean, I

1054
00:37:50,486 --> 00:37:52,098
think it comes down to this sort of

1055
00:37:52,472 --> 00:37:54,322
reflex idea on the left

1056
00:37:54,696 --> 00:37:55,196
that

1057
00:37:55,823 --> 00:37:58,914
the entire history of the western world, the

1058
00:37:58,914 --> 00:38:00,974
entire history of the United States is somehow

1059
00:38:00,974 --> 00:38:04,327
evil. And so anyone who's stands an opposite

1060
00:38:04,327 --> 00:38:06,822
to that must be virtuous, and we should

1061
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:10,950
redeem our sins by supporting these virtuous victims.

1062
00:38:11,684 --> 00:38:13,362
And, you know, you see that right now.

1063
00:38:13,602 --> 00:38:13,842
I mean,

1064
00:38:14,561 --> 00:38:17,379
in my mind, anyone who could not see

1065
00:38:17,438 --> 00:38:19,196
what Ham hamas has done in the Palace

1066
00:38:19,196 --> 00:38:21,546
setting in support for him hamas. Absolutely

1067
00:38:22,472 --> 00:38:24,532
blows my mind they can't say it. But

1068
00:38:24,532 --> 00:38:26,275
again, it's a very reflective thing. It's like,

1069
00:38:26,355 --> 00:38:27,251
these are the victims

1070
00:38:28,194 --> 00:38:31,172
Israel stands for sort of, you know, western

1071
00:38:31,631 --> 00:38:33,629
thought the Judeo Christian tradition,

1072
00:38:34,348 --> 00:38:36,826
these folks stand for being victim vietnamese, we

1073
00:38:36,826 --> 00:38:37,704
must side with the victim.

1074
00:38:38,438 --> 00:38:40,752
And, you know, Iran is the powerful victim.

1075
00:38:40,911 --> 00:38:42,028
I mean, look what we did to the

1076
00:38:42,028 --> 00:38:44,182
shaw, look at how we've had these sort

1077
00:38:44,182 --> 00:38:44,262
of,

1078
00:38:45,474 --> 00:38:47,232
not not gonna it's the shot away he

1079
00:38:47,232 --> 00:38:48,350
prop him up and some of the things

1080
00:38:48,350 --> 00:38:49,948
that he did. You you look at... You

1081
00:38:49,948 --> 00:38:51,466
know, so it... It's it's a it's a

1082
00:38:51,466 --> 00:38:52,345
powerful victim.

1083
00:38:52,996 --> 00:38:55,215
And so that's why it's good. I mean,

1084
00:38:55,374 --> 00:38:57,594
I I can't explain it. It's crazy. But,

1085
00:38:57,752 --> 00:38:59,179
I mean, that's what I think the philosophy

1086
00:38:59,179 --> 00:38:59,417
is.

1087
00:39:00,543 --> 00:39:02,371
Now you mentioned just something we wanna get

1088
00:39:02,371 --> 00:39:03,643
back to him, but I think there's an

1089
00:39:03,643 --> 00:39:04,143
analog

1090
00:39:04,677 --> 00:39:05,630
watch this segue.

1091
00:39:06,425 --> 00:39:07,561
I think there's an analog

1092
00:39:08,651 --> 00:39:09,128
from the...

1093
00:39:09,939 --> 00:39:12,172
Foreign policy to the domestic policy, and in

1094
00:39:12,172 --> 00:39:14,407
particular the way it's affected the legal profession

1095
00:39:14,407 --> 00:39:15,922
and the the practice of law on the

1096
00:39:15,922 --> 00:39:16,161
courts.

1097
00:39:17,135 --> 00:39:19,235
There's this idea that there's a victim class

1098
00:39:20,094 --> 00:39:21,795
and that... And and there's

1099
00:39:22,175 --> 00:39:24,015
there... There's really no right and wrong. There's

1100
00:39:24,015 --> 00:39:25,315
there's just a sort of

1101
00:39:25,708 --> 00:39:28,331
class war but not not economic class, but

1102
00:39:28,331 --> 00:39:28,831
racial

1103
00:39:29,284 --> 00:39:31,510
class and identity class. I mean,

1104
00:39:32,702 --> 00:39:33,917
you said at the beginning

1105
00:39:35,422 --> 00:39:36,481
you you never

1106
00:39:37,657 --> 00:39:39,892
understood and you and you don't have any

1107
00:39:39,892 --> 00:39:42,228
use for this idea of skin color

1108
00:39:42,606 --> 00:39:43,106
as

1109
00:39:43,578 --> 00:39:45,403
a driving force and a person's life.

1110
00:39:47,308 --> 00:39:49,213
Not not... That's not exactly right. Not as

1111
00:39:49,213 --> 00:39:50,903
a driving force us because we are

1112
00:39:51,213 --> 00:39:53,604
we are products of our history, but as

1113
00:39:53,604 --> 00:39:56,472
a basis for judging an individual. That I

1114
00:39:56,472 --> 00:39:57,986
look at you and I see you and

1115
00:39:58,066 --> 00:40:00,239
I say, okay, you must be these things

1116
00:40:00,456 --> 00:40:02,945
because you look like this, that... That's what

1117
00:40:03,105 --> 00:40:05,180
I was speaking But I mean, yeah. I

1118
00:40:05,180 --> 00:40:06,936
mean, ron, going to Law school, the thing

1119
00:40:06,936 --> 00:40:09,251
that drove me absolutely bonkers was critical legal

1120
00:40:09,251 --> 00:40:09,704
theory

1121
00:40:10,701 --> 00:40:12,693
I mean, the idea of your that was...

1122
00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:14,389
Which should be about

1123
00:40:14,925 --> 00:40:16,040
about what 20 years ago?

1124
00:40:18,049 --> 00:40:20,367
About 15 years ago. 15 years ago. So

1125
00:40:20,367 --> 00:40:21,266
that that was

1126
00:40:21,805 --> 00:40:24,602
that was kind of just waning around 15

1127
00:40:24,602 --> 00:40:27,100
years ago, but it was still probably well

1128
00:40:27,414 --> 00:40:29,806
part of what your professionals. I don't wanna

1129
00:40:29,806 --> 00:40:31,162
give I don't wanna give my school away,

1130
00:40:31,322 --> 00:40:33,235
but I will say that, the school had

1131
00:40:33,235 --> 00:40:36,027
1 natural law journal and about 8 critical

1132
00:40:36,027 --> 00:40:36,719
theory journals

1133
00:40:39,636 --> 00:40:39,956
So...

1134
00:40:40,515 --> 00:40:43,152
But, you know, the thing that attracted me

1135
00:40:43,152 --> 00:40:46,360
to law originally, and and I was took

1136
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,745
actually a constitutional law course as an undergraduate

1137
00:40:48,745 --> 00:40:49,858
and stayed with me forever,

1138
00:40:50,335 --> 00:40:51,130
was this sort of...

1139
00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:55,690
Defining truth.

1140
00:40:56,250 --> 00:40:58,010
Like, truth was an absolute thing and you

1141
00:40:58,010 --> 00:40:59,849
could define it. This is true. This is

1142
00:40:59,849 --> 00:41:01,703
untrue. This is right. This is wrong. This

1143
00:41:01,703 --> 00:41:04,333
is Moral this is immoral. You know, very

1144
00:41:04,333 --> 00:41:07,519
classical natural law theory and that attracted me

1145
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:09,765
to such a degree. And the idea that...

1146
00:41:09,925 --> 00:41:11,757
No. No No. Law is only something at

1147
00:41:11,757 --> 00:41:14,624
the powerful use, and there is no objective

1148
00:41:14,624 --> 00:41:17,651
right and wrong. To me is, again, insanity.

1149
00:41:18,223 --> 00:41:20,369
And is leading us down a path of

1150
00:41:20,369 --> 00:41:20,766
destruction.

1151
00:41:21,481 --> 00:41:23,468
But can't you say that it's actually been

1152
00:41:23,468 --> 00:41:23,968
vin

1153
00:41:25,058 --> 00:41:27,463
by exact plea the beat... By by the

1154
00:41:27,463 --> 00:41:29,536
abuse of the judicial system that we're seeing.

1155
00:41:30,094 --> 00:41:31,471
Just yeah. Mis

1156
00:41:32,326 --> 00:41:33,522
who the powerful are,

1157
00:41:34,414 --> 00:41:36,510
might makes right. It accept we're gonna

1158
00:41:36,967 --> 00:41:39,702
take our might and pretend where the victims

1159
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,117
and we're gonna it inflict it on you.

1160
00:41:41,276 --> 00:41:41,436
Yes.

1161
00:41:42,250 --> 00:41:44,489
I mean, what's been happening to Donald Trump

1162
00:41:44,489 --> 00:41:45,309
in the courts

1163
00:41:45,610 --> 00:41:46,590
to me is,

1164
00:41:48,570 --> 00:41:50,683
up there with... With slavery

1165
00:41:51,140 --> 00:41:53,294
with the worst things that have happened in

1166
00:41:53,453 --> 00:41:55,288
American history, this is up there. It is

1167
00:41:55,288 --> 00:41:57,920
a complete undermining of every principle that we

1168
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,402
stand for. The idea that if you are

1169
00:42:00,402 --> 00:42:03,492
the political opposition, we will use the law

1170
00:42:03,492 --> 00:42:06,448
and manipulate it to silence you is

1171
00:42:07,073 --> 00:42:10,275
tyra. It's Stalin is Hitler. It's absolutely

1172
00:42:10,728 --> 00:42:12,238
insane to it's happening in America,

1173
00:42:12,795 --> 00:42:13,692
and and

1174
00:42:14,955 --> 00:42:16,783
I it... I'm at of loss for words.

1175
00:42:17,737 --> 00:42:19,724
Yeah. I mean, it it is it is

1176
00:42:19,724 --> 00:42:21,337
really disheartening and

1177
00:42:22,044 --> 00:42:24,430
You know, you're not a lit, but you

1178
00:42:24,430 --> 00:42:26,578
nonetheless, a part of the you're part of

1179
00:42:26,578 --> 00:42:27,930
the system, you remember the bar,

1180
00:42:29,138 --> 00:42:29,638
And

1181
00:42:30,010 --> 00:42:33,128
when you draft a contract, you're thinking about

1182
00:42:34,294 --> 00:42:35,825
litigation, prophylaxis, and

1183
00:42:36,134 --> 00:42:38,598
it's all part of of the of the

1184
00:42:38,598 --> 00:42:39,655
regime in which we?

1185
00:42:40,189 --> 00:42:40,507
Yes.

1186
00:42:41,222 --> 00:42:42,733
And now you're at a point, where you

1187
00:42:42,733 --> 00:42:43,630
realize that

1188
00:42:44,498 --> 00:42:46,965
there are really no rules anymore.

1189
00:42:48,715 --> 00:42:50,785
Right. I mean, if it faith... Anyone who

1190
00:42:50,785 --> 00:42:52,137
talks about, you know, no one's above the

1191
00:42:52,137 --> 00:42:54,300
law. I mean, you know, we can all

1192
00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:56,048
laugh at that. I mean, but the the

1193
00:42:56,048 --> 00:42:57,875
whole concept would be equal justice under the

1194
00:42:57,875 --> 00:42:59,328
law. No 1 seems to wanna

1195
00:42:59,702 --> 00:43:01,926
consider that component of things. I mean, that's

1196
00:43:01,926 --> 00:43:04,268
that's part of lady Liberty is is is

1197
00:43:04,484 --> 00:43:06,392
is equal justice under the law, and we

1198
00:43:06,392 --> 00:43:08,721
are violating that to such a g test

1199
00:43:08,936 --> 00:43:11,004
manner. It's it's it's it's unbelievable.

1200
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,274
This So now as we as we as

1201
00:43:14,274 --> 00:43:16,418
we slide out of our out out of

1202
00:43:16,418 --> 00:43:19,116
our heavy converse... Heavy and depressing conversation.

1203
00:43:20,798 --> 00:43:22,704
You must have made a lot of interesting

1204
00:43:22,704 --> 00:43:24,315
new friends besides me

1205
00:43:25,166 --> 00:43:26,833
in your yourself. I mean, and you think

1206
00:43:26,833 --> 00:43:27,627
of all the different...

1207
00:43:28,833 --> 00:43:30,896
You know, you you went from 22 years

1208
00:43:30,896 --> 00:43:32,483
in the Us army going all over the

1209
00:43:32,483 --> 00:43:33,936
world, meeting all kinds of people

1210
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:36,713
and having all kinds of interesting experiences. And,

1211
00:43:37,579 --> 00:43:39,198
then law school, which is

1212
00:43:39,577 --> 00:43:42,154
a social med dear of some source, but

1213
00:43:42,213 --> 00:43:44,610
you do also need some some interesting people,

1214
00:43:45,661 --> 00:43:47,563
then, you know, you're in a you're in

1215
00:43:47,563 --> 00:43:48,117
a law firm,

1216
00:43:48,830 --> 00:43:50,732
you will also meet some of the worst

1217
00:43:50,732 --> 00:43:52,024
people in the world. And

1218
00:43:52,889 --> 00:43:54,985
I actually have really good partners. So

1219
00:43:55,443 --> 00:43:57,439
that's right. No. I'm not glad to hear

1220
00:43:57,439 --> 00:43:57,519
that.

1221
00:43:59,595 --> 00:44:01,830
But now you you entered... You really got

1222
00:44:01,830 --> 00:44:04,078
yourself. Into the into the world of social

1223
00:44:04,078 --> 00:44:05,056
media by having

1224
00:44:05,592 --> 00:44:08,543
interesting and intriguing and credible things to say,

1225
00:44:09,181 --> 00:44:10,717
and you're being exposed

1226
00:44:11,108 --> 00:44:13,887
isn't isn't it just Marvelous? Yeah. It's absolutely

1227
00:44:13,887 --> 00:44:15,713
incredible. I mean, shout out to you,

1228
00:44:16,428 --> 00:44:17,222
Kurt Least,

1229
00:44:18,016 --> 00:44:20,655
David Lin limbaugh, someone I talk to... I

1230
00:44:20,655 --> 00:44:22,325
mean, it just blows my mind that I'm

1231
00:44:22,325 --> 00:44:24,314
even talking to some of these people.

1232
00:44:25,348 --> 00:44:26,638
You, you know, and and

1233
00:44:27,197 --> 00:44:29,032
oh, rock. That that part of it as

1234
00:44:29,032 --> 00:44:31,367
well that you can really have an interaction

1235
00:44:31,666 --> 00:44:33,820
with literally world famous people.

1236
00:44:34,474 --> 00:44:36,469
Yeah It's something K.

1237
00:44:36,947 --> 00:44:38,623
K Rob Manages is another name I wanted

1238
00:44:38,623 --> 00:44:39,341
met been very helpful.

1239
00:44:40,139 --> 00:44:41,256
He's a long my friend I mine too.

1240
00:44:41,416 --> 00:44:43,343
Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, the idea... And

1241
00:44:43,343 --> 00:44:45,571
the people are presenting with opportunities. I mean,

1242
00:44:45,730 --> 00:44:47,003
there's... I'm really...

1243
00:44:47,561 --> 00:44:49,232
It it's a brave new world. It really

1244
00:44:49,232 --> 00:44:50,585
is everything I've ever done before in my

1245
00:44:50,585 --> 00:44:53,226
life was very, like... Orderly very planned. I'm

1246
00:44:53,226 --> 00:44:55,057
going to do this next and do this

1247
00:44:55,057 --> 00:44:57,524
next very deliberate. This is just something that's

1248
00:44:57,524 --> 00:44:59,217
dropped on my lap. I've got people

1249
00:44:59,529 --> 00:45:01,282
talking to about writing books. I've got people

1250
00:45:01,282 --> 00:45:03,114
wanting me to write articles. I've got... You

1251
00:45:03,114 --> 00:45:05,185
know, you want in your podcast podcasts. I

1252
00:45:05,185 --> 00:45:07,416
and I... Actually, I'm very inexperienced in all

1253
00:45:07,416 --> 00:45:08,532
of it, and so I'm trying to make

1254
00:45:08,532 --> 00:45:08,930
sense of at all.

1255
00:45:09,744 --> 00:45:11,822
It's exciting and fun, but it... It's also

1256
00:45:11,822 --> 00:45:12,621
a little bit scary.

1257
00:45:13,260 --> 00:45:14,459
Yes. It really it really is.

1258
00:45:15,577 --> 00:45:17,255
And here I'm trying to balance...

1259
00:45:18,135 --> 00:45:21,023
Well maintaining my law practice, which, you know,

1260
00:45:21,102 --> 00:45:22,938
in terms of the concerns that you have,

1261
00:45:23,975 --> 00:45:25,492
you know, I decided I could I could

1262
00:45:25,571 --> 00:45:27,421
I could be honest to speak dial of

1263
00:45:27,421 --> 00:45:29,255
only 20 or 30 percent of the country

1264
00:45:29,255 --> 00:45:30,929
still and still be able to make a

1265
00:45:30,929 --> 00:45:32,922
living. You know, it should... It should not

1266
00:45:32,922 --> 00:45:34,358
really be a deal killer for me. It's

1267
00:45:34,358 --> 00:45:36,049
different because you're a partner, in a larger

1268
00:45:36,049 --> 00:45:36,369
law firm,

1269
00:45:37,887 --> 00:45:38,387
but

1270
00:45:39,965 --> 00:45:41,963
there... If there's this incredibly unstructured.

1271
00:45:42,762 --> 00:45:43,641
I mean, you talked about,

1272
00:45:45,172 --> 00:45:48,114
about what's on smart ups. Every every social

1273
00:45:48,114 --> 00:45:49,545
media account is a startup.

1274
00:45:50,737 --> 00:45:53,678
Yeah. And what And what Elon Musk did

1275
00:45:53,678 --> 00:45:54,178
was

1276
00:45:54,488 --> 00:45:55,625
turned us to

1277
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:57,772
something closer to

1278
00:45:58,465 --> 00:46:01,113
a true marketplace of ideas

1279
00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:05,400
than it had ever been before. Yeah. It's

1280
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,945
a merit. It's a pure merit. It's it's

1281
00:46:07,945 --> 00:46:09,536
all about your ideas and how you express

1282
00:46:09,536 --> 00:46:11,305
them. It's this wonderful for. I mean if

1283
00:46:11,305 --> 00:46:12,422
you if you have it looks like my...

1284
00:46:12,661 --> 00:46:14,416
You have haven't you have an unfair advantage

1285
00:46:14,416 --> 00:46:17,287
over other people. And you're... You know, you're

1286
00:46:17,287 --> 00:46:18,643
you're putting that on... You're leaving that on

1287
00:46:18,643 --> 00:46:19,680
the table, but that's your call.

1288
00:46:21,049 --> 00:46:22,004
But I mean,

1289
00:46:23,277 --> 00:46:25,825
it is not entirely merit. If you if

1290
00:46:25,825 --> 00:46:27,576
if you're a really attractive woman,

1291
00:46:28,148 --> 00:46:30,615
you do get extra opportunities, but that's true

1292
00:46:30,615 --> 00:46:32,764
in all of life. But that... That's been

1293
00:46:32,764 --> 00:46:35,152
true, like, since Adam eve though. Right? I

1294
00:46:35,152 --> 00:46:35,970
mean, so

1295
00:46:38,273 --> 00:46:39,251
So so

1296
00:46:40,188 --> 00:46:43,002
if indeed, you you fulfill the promise and,

1297
00:46:43,699 --> 00:46:44,577
you know, stop.

1298
00:46:45,869 --> 00:46:48,586
Cranking out the the, you know, the the

1299
00:46:48,586 --> 00:46:49,806
the law the long

1300
00:46:50,584 --> 00:46:52,182
and decide to, you know, because I think

1301
00:46:52,342 --> 00:46:55,493
America does wanna hear more from you. And

1302
00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:57,298
there's... You know, it... Maybe you'll take 1

1303
00:46:57,298 --> 00:46:59,603
of these opportunities up and and and really

1304
00:46:59,603 --> 00:47:01,511
have some more fun with it. So I.

1305
00:47:02,146 --> 00:47:03,736
I'm actually... I I don't want say too

1306
00:47:03,736 --> 00:47:05,829
much. I'm working on on a book proposal

1307
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:07,590
right now. I'm not sure how far that

1308
00:47:07,590 --> 00:47:07,909
will go.

1309
00:47:08,869 --> 00:47:10,469
The... I I... Those you who see my

1310
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:11,190
Pin tweet,

1311
00:47:11,909 --> 00:47:12,309
which is

1312
00:47:13,202 --> 00:47:15,435
The the right side of history. This is

1313
00:47:15,435 --> 00:47:16,871
my side of history it's your side history.

1314
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:17,987
That's sort of the framework.

1315
00:47:18,466 --> 00:47:19,822
That's sort of the framework what I'm working

1316
00:47:19,822 --> 00:47:21,657
on. So hopefully that's something all come to

1317
00:47:21,657 --> 00:47:21,816
fruition.

1318
00:47:22,469 --> 00:47:23,501
Yeah. That's actually

1319
00:47:24,693 --> 00:47:25,885
there it is. Thrown on it.

1320
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,109
I had actually looked at it.

1321
00:47:29,873 --> 00:47:32,688
And retweeted it for the first time before

1322
00:47:33,785 --> 00:47:35,860
before we spoke today. And it is it

1323
00:47:35,860 --> 00:47:38,276
is long form, but it is... It's your

1324
00:47:38,829 --> 00:47:39,648
sort of your

1325
00:47:40,264 --> 00:47:43,056
your testament, Your your Yeah. And that's my

1326
00:47:43,056 --> 00:47:43,556
manifesto.

1327
00:47:44,969 --> 00:47:46,724
You know, and it's not Democrat or Republican

1328
00:47:46,724 --> 00:47:48,734
even though I talk about Democrats. Directly all

1329
00:47:48,734 --> 00:47:51,451
the time. It's really about having a certain

1330
00:47:51,451 --> 00:47:53,848
mindset about why America exists,

1331
00:47:54,806 --> 00:47:56,185
and what it stands for

1332
00:47:56,578 --> 00:47:59,203
And to me, that's what that says. Because

1333
00:47:59,442 --> 00:48:01,612
America to me is the fulfillment of

1334
00:48:02,306 --> 00:48:05,269
thousands of years. Development of certain ideas of

1335
00:48:05,269 --> 00:48:07,125
liberty and freedom, and,

1336
00:48:07,582 --> 00:48:09,416
you know, we can't ever lose that. And

1337
00:48:09,416 --> 00:48:11,831
so that that post is this my manifesto.

1338
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Cynical pub, great talking to him. Yeah. You

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too, Ron. Again, thank you so much for

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support you've show me and for the promotion

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you've given me a real voting me on

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thank you for the Marvelous content.

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And and and this sparkling

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conversation.

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Really, really great hanging out and helping... Can

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let me know next time you're, you know,

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visit visiting the

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your old stomp grounds. We'll I well, I

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will minute. Thanks again, man. I appreciate it.

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Alright. See you later. Bye bye.

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