1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,179 Welcome to the Becker's Healthcare podcast. 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,919 I'm Elizabeth Gregersen, a reporter here at Becker's, 3 00:00:05,919 --> 00:00:07,379 and I'm thrilled to interview 4 00:00:07,679 --> 00:00:09,220 doctor Amit Garg, 5 00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:13,059 medical director of radiation oncology at Presbyterian 6 00:00:13,974 --> 00:00:16,314 and quality officer of the cancer program 7 00:00:16,695 --> 00:00:18,074 on our podcast today. 8 00:00:18,454 --> 00:00:20,295 Thank you so much for joining me. I'm 9 00:00:20,295 --> 00:00:22,375 very grateful to share your insights with our 10 00:00:22,375 --> 00:00:23,434 podcast audience. 11 00:00:24,054 --> 00:00:26,054 Good morning. It's great to be here. Thanks 12 00:00:26,054 --> 00:00:29,114 for having me. Perfect. Before we dive in, 13 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,239 could you take some time to just introduce 14 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:33,320 yourself and maybe tell us a little bit 15 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:34,299 about your organization? 16 00:00:35,399 --> 00:00:36,380 Oh, sure. Yeah. 17 00:00:36,759 --> 00:00:38,219 My name is Amit Garg. 18 00:00:39,559 --> 00:00:41,739 I am very grateful to be practicing 19 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:42,780 in 20 00:00:43,255 --> 00:00:46,554 a very large community based setting here in 21 00:00:46,854 --> 00:00:49,594 Albuquerque, New Mexico, where we serve 22 00:00:50,295 --> 00:00:51,835 a very large under 23 00:00:52,375 --> 00:00:52,875 underrepresented 24 00:00:53,414 --> 00:00:55,195 community with regards to 25 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,219 cancer care in general, 26 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:58,579 but also, 27 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,560 more at large with regards to health care 28 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:03,060 access 29 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,719 as well quality, you know. So it's, it's 30 00:01:06,719 --> 00:01:09,394 really nice to be practicing here. My background, 31 00:01:09,534 --> 00:01:12,015 I I grew up in Houston and and 32 00:01:12,015 --> 00:01:13,474 was trained mostly 33 00:01:14,015 --> 00:01:14,754 in Houston. 34 00:01:15,534 --> 00:01:17,875 I went to residency at MD Anderson Cancer. 35 00:01:18,814 --> 00:01:21,075 A wonderful experience. I joined the faculty, 36 00:01:22,569 --> 00:01:24,189 after that and practiced 37 00:01:24,730 --> 00:01:26,350 in this community for, 38 00:01:27,049 --> 00:01:27,549 fourteen 39 00:01:28,250 --> 00:01:30,569 years as a faculty member of MD Anderson. 40 00:01:30,569 --> 00:01:33,290 And then about, two or three years ago, 41 00:01:33,290 --> 00:01:35,150 we were acquired by our local 42 00:01:35,805 --> 00:01:39,084 hospital system, Presbyterian Healthcare Services, where I've been 43 00:01:39,084 --> 00:01:39,584 practicing 44 00:01:40,204 --> 00:01:42,225 for the past fifteen plus years, 45 00:01:42,685 --> 00:01:43,505 in the setting. 46 00:01:44,444 --> 00:01:46,685 Perfect. Well, I appreciate you taking the time 47 00:01:46,685 --> 00:01:49,165 to, speak with us today and to kinda 48 00:01:49,165 --> 00:01:51,739 share your insights to our larger Becker's audience. 49 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:53,180 You know, our listeners 50 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,819 won't just be from the field of oncology, 51 00:01:55,879 --> 00:01:57,560 so it's always kind of nice to be 52 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:58,459 able to share 53 00:01:59,079 --> 00:02:01,560 with hospital and health system leaders, you know, 54 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,245 from the c suite to other specialties to 55 00:02:04,325 --> 00:02:05,704 to across the care continuum, 56 00:02:06,245 --> 00:02:07,625 what's happening. So 57 00:02:07,924 --> 00:02:09,604 I think to get us started, I'd love 58 00:02:09,604 --> 00:02:11,685 to just hear maybe the major trends or 59 00:02:11,685 --> 00:02:12,185 innovations 60 00:02:12,564 --> 00:02:15,044 that you're following right now when it comes 61 00:02:15,044 --> 00:02:18,165 to radiation oncology that maybe our listeners should 62 00:02:18,165 --> 00:02:19,465 be aware of as well. 63 00:02:20,340 --> 00:02:23,060 Yeah. Sure. Absolutely. I appreciate that question because 64 00:02:23,060 --> 00:02:24,360 it kinda speaks to 65 00:02:24,819 --> 00:02:27,800 where things are going in our field and 66 00:02:27,939 --> 00:02:29,080 trends in general 67 00:02:29,460 --> 00:02:31,379 with cancer care. And I think when you 68 00:02:31,379 --> 00:02:32,599 look at the big picture, 69 00:02:32,979 --> 00:02:35,159 probably the most important trend 70 00:02:35,965 --> 00:02:37,264 is that the indications 71 00:02:37,724 --> 00:02:38,224 for, 72 00:02:39,004 --> 00:02:39,985 you know, precise 73 00:02:40,844 --> 00:02:42,064 radiation therapy 74 00:02:42,525 --> 00:02:44,144 are continuing to rise. 75 00:02:44,925 --> 00:02:45,905 So, you know, 76 00:02:46,444 --> 00:02:48,685 there's a focus on quality of life as 77 00:02:48,685 --> 00:02:50,064 well as length of life. 78 00:02:50,469 --> 00:02:51,849 And what's being shown 79 00:02:52,629 --> 00:02:54,569 is that precision radiotherapy, 80 00:02:55,510 --> 00:02:57,370 such as in the form of stereotactic 81 00:02:57,670 --> 00:02:58,490 body radiotherapy, 82 00:02:58,790 --> 00:03:00,170 but also other types, 83 00:03:00,710 --> 00:03:01,530 are increasingly 84 00:03:01,990 --> 00:03:02,490 used 85 00:03:03,055 --> 00:03:05,855 to maintain quality of life, to actually improve 86 00:03:05,855 --> 00:03:07,615 quality of life in those patients who are 87 00:03:07,615 --> 00:03:09,314 symptomatic, but also patients 88 00:03:09,694 --> 00:03:10,995 who are treated aggressively 89 00:03:11,775 --> 00:03:13,474 and also lengthen life. 90 00:03:14,014 --> 00:03:16,495 And, you know, what what that's kind of 91 00:03:16,495 --> 00:03:18,034 done over the past, 92 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:20,939 I'd say, one to two decades 93 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,680 is it's really given clinicians and patients more 94 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,500 options with regards to their cancer care. 95 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:28,620 And 96 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:31,159 it it's allowed us to be more aggressive 97 00:03:31,159 --> 00:03:33,099 in how we manage cancers. And 98 00:03:33,465 --> 00:03:35,705 and, of course, patients are living longer, and 99 00:03:35,705 --> 00:03:38,025 that's the other. You know, patients are living 100 00:03:38,025 --> 00:03:40,025 a lot longer. So as they live longer 101 00:03:40,025 --> 00:03:42,205 with advancements in heart disease and 102 00:03:42,664 --> 00:03:43,164 other 103 00:03:43,544 --> 00:03:46,664 other treatments for other types of diseases, it's 104 00:03:46,664 --> 00:03:47,164 made 105 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,479 the treatment the precise treatment of cancer care 106 00:03:50,479 --> 00:03:51,620 all the more important 107 00:03:51,919 --> 00:03:53,840 in order to maintain quality of life and 108 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:54,739 length of life. 109 00:03:55,599 --> 00:03:57,439 Perfect. And, you know, I'd love to build 110 00:03:57,439 --> 00:03:58,799 on that just a little bit. 111 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,824 Quality of life and length of life, Those 112 00:04:01,824 --> 00:04:04,865 precision treatments obviously are such a major achievement 113 00:04:04,865 --> 00:04:06,544 and and, like you said, over the past 114 00:04:06,544 --> 00:04:09,185 two decades, such a testament to the progress 115 00:04:09,185 --> 00:04:11,665 that's been made. Is there anything that's happened 116 00:04:11,665 --> 00:04:14,165 maybe in the past six, twelve, eighteen months 117 00:04:14,224 --> 00:04:16,430 that has stood out most to you in 118 00:04:16,430 --> 00:04:19,089 radiation oncology or cancer care in general? 119 00:04:19,870 --> 00:04:21,970 Gosh. Yeah. Over that time frame, 120 00:04:22,350 --> 00:04:24,370 you know, I'd I'd say the the biggest 121 00:04:25,790 --> 00:04:29,569 area of progress has probably been public awareness. 122 00:04:30,504 --> 00:04:32,685 You know, we've seen several 123 00:04:33,545 --> 00:04:37,085 high profile cases, namely former presidents, including 124 00:04:37,944 --> 00:04:41,064 former president Biden as well as former president 125 00:04:41,064 --> 00:04:42,665 Jimmy Carter, both of whom, 126 00:04:44,089 --> 00:04:44,910 went through 127 00:04:45,449 --> 00:04:46,589 and more recently 128 00:04:46,970 --> 00:04:48,029 have gone through, 129 00:04:49,290 --> 00:04:52,029 radiation treatment as part of their cancer journeys. 130 00:04:52,970 --> 00:04:55,050 And, you know, I think our field has 131 00:04:55,050 --> 00:04:58,110 done a very good job in really demonstrating 132 00:04:59,214 --> 00:04:59,954 the mainstream 133 00:05:00,495 --> 00:05:01,714 aspect of radiotherapy, 134 00:05:02,254 --> 00:05:04,514 you know, and and and the high quality 135 00:05:04,814 --> 00:05:05,314 precise 136 00:05:05,854 --> 00:05:06,354 treatment 137 00:05:07,615 --> 00:05:10,095 of both primary disease in the body. You 138 00:05:10,095 --> 00:05:12,435 know, for instance, prostate cancer for 139 00:05:13,060 --> 00:05:15,000 president Biden and also for 140 00:05:15,620 --> 00:05:16,120 oligometastatic 141 00:05:17,220 --> 00:05:19,879 melanoma to the brain that was treated with 142 00:05:20,339 --> 00:05:20,839 stereotactic 143 00:05:21,220 --> 00:05:21,720 radiotherapy. 144 00:05:22,420 --> 00:05:24,199 You know, these types of things, 145 00:05:24,819 --> 00:05:27,720 these types of options and improvements in technology 146 00:05:27,860 --> 00:05:29,855 have improved the quality of life for 147 00:05:30,634 --> 00:05:33,355 those who are, you know, most well known 148 00:05:33,355 --> 00:05:34,495 amongst our population. 149 00:05:35,194 --> 00:05:38,095 But it's also helped to dispel the myth, 150 00:05:39,275 --> 00:05:42,254 that's still prevalent, I'd say. But, you know, 151 00:05:42,829 --> 00:05:45,629 the fact that radiation therapy is no longer 152 00:05:45,629 --> 00:05:49,410 always associated with terrible side effects like burning, 153 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:51,569 peeling, pain, 154 00:05:52,269 --> 00:05:52,930 you know, 155 00:05:53,230 --> 00:05:54,764 vast damage to 156 00:05:55,085 --> 00:05:57,884 normal tissues all around the target area where 157 00:05:57,884 --> 00:05:59,905 we treat these cancers. I think 158 00:06:00,365 --> 00:06:01,745 the ability to 159 00:06:02,444 --> 00:06:02,944 effectively 160 00:06:03,324 --> 00:06:03,824 treat 161 00:06:04,365 --> 00:06:07,324 different cancers throughout the body, including the brain, 162 00:06:07,324 --> 00:06:08,944 head and neck, spine, 163 00:06:09,750 --> 00:06:10,250 liver, 164 00:06:10,550 --> 00:06:11,050 lung, 165 00:06:11,670 --> 00:06:12,170 bone, 166 00:06:13,029 --> 00:06:13,529 prostate, 167 00:06:14,470 --> 00:06:16,550 and other areas of the body. You know, 168 00:06:16,550 --> 00:06:19,449 the the ability to treat these areas precisely 169 00:06:20,310 --> 00:06:23,110 without causing the kinds of side effects that 170 00:06:23,110 --> 00:06:24,089 have been traditionally 171 00:06:24,389 --> 00:06:26,824 associated with radiotherapy is a huge advancement. 172 00:06:27,285 --> 00:06:29,125 And the fact that the public is seeing 173 00:06:29,125 --> 00:06:29,625 these 174 00:06:30,165 --> 00:06:31,785 advancements on a very, 175 00:06:33,045 --> 00:06:36,324 wide, large scale is reassuring to our field, 176 00:06:36,324 --> 00:06:36,985 I'd say. 177 00:06:38,039 --> 00:06:40,680 Absolutely. Yeah. That kind of that messaging of, 178 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,699 oh, radiation, it's gonna 179 00:06:43,479 --> 00:06:45,800 be this horrible process and, you know, maybe 180 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,399 even some people opting out of it and 181 00:06:47,399 --> 00:06:49,159 saying, I don't wanna put myself through that. 182 00:06:49,159 --> 00:06:49,899 And now 183 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,300 on the flip side of things, that precision 184 00:06:53,535 --> 00:06:56,254 treatment, it's not just the precision of the 185 00:06:56,254 --> 00:06:58,495 radiation that's being delivered, but how it's being 186 00:06:58,495 --> 00:07:00,495 delivered. Right? So I think, 187 00:07:01,294 --> 00:07:03,535 as someone who reports in oncology, it's something 188 00:07:03,535 --> 00:07:05,375 I read all the time. But like you 189 00:07:05,375 --> 00:07:07,475 said to the larger audience of just 190 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,560 being able to save those healthy tissues and 191 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,139 be precise on where it's delivered is 192 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,240 is such a big innovation that, hopefully, you 193 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,100 know, that messaging gets out there. 194 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:19,779 Right. Right. Absolutely. 195 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:20,819 Thank you. 196 00:07:21,144 --> 00:07:22,824 Well, great. And I'd love to touch on 197 00:07:22,824 --> 00:07:23,305 too, 198 00:07:23,704 --> 00:07:25,004 you know, at Presbyterian, 199 00:07:25,544 --> 00:07:28,504 the community based practice and and the community 200 00:07:28,504 --> 00:07:29,485 that you serve, 201 00:07:30,344 --> 00:07:32,125 what are some of their considerations 202 00:07:32,584 --> 00:07:35,164 or the unique aspects to delivering care 203 00:07:35,899 --> 00:07:37,819 and providing, you know, like we said, those 204 00:07:37,819 --> 00:07:41,680 precision radiation oncology services within that setting? 205 00:07:42,699 --> 00:07:43,980 Yeah. Thanks for that. 206 00:07:44,460 --> 00:07:45,199 You know, 207 00:07:45,580 --> 00:07:48,000 in our community, we have a large community. 208 00:07:48,784 --> 00:07:51,524 And I'd say the most important aspects 209 00:07:52,305 --> 00:07:54,324 of what we do is access, 210 00:07:55,824 --> 00:07:56,324 technology, 211 00:07:57,824 --> 00:07:58,324 expertise, 212 00:07:59,264 --> 00:08:00,084 and efficiency. 213 00:08:00,930 --> 00:08:04,149 You know, we our whole goal is is 214 00:08:04,289 --> 00:08:04,789 to 215 00:08:06,050 --> 00:08:06,949 treat patients 216 00:08:07,810 --> 00:08:08,310 with 217 00:08:08,769 --> 00:08:11,810 the highest quality of cancer care, but at 218 00:08:11,810 --> 00:08:14,050 the same time, do so in a very 219 00:08:14,050 --> 00:08:16,454 efficient manner because the need is so 220 00:08:17,014 --> 00:08:18,634 great. So as you can imagine, 221 00:08:18,935 --> 00:08:20,875 in a state like New Mexico, 222 00:08:22,214 --> 00:08:23,354 we see patients 223 00:08:24,454 --> 00:08:26,474 from all different backgrounds, 224 00:08:26,854 --> 00:08:29,354 from all different areas of the state, 225 00:08:29,654 --> 00:08:31,514 and even outside of the state 226 00:08:32,399 --> 00:08:32,899 that, 227 00:08:33,759 --> 00:08:36,559 some have very complex problems and others have 228 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:37,059 more 229 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,959 straightforward problems. But I think the commonality is 230 00:08:40,959 --> 00:08:41,620 is that 231 00:08:42,079 --> 00:08:44,639 we wanna get these patients treated with the 232 00:08:44,639 --> 00:08:45,779 most advanced 233 00:08:46,095 --> 00:08:48,115 treatment options, but at the same time 234 00:08:48,574 --> 00:08:50,355 without a significant delay. 235 00:08:50,815 --> 00:08:53,534 And that requires kind of an understanding and 236 00:08:53,534 --> 00:08:54,034 appreciation 237 00:08:55,454 --> 00:08:57,634 of of all of the aspects 238 00:08:58,174 --> 00:08:58,674 of 239 00:08:59,220 --> 00:09:02,179 delivering care in a cost conscious environment. It 240 00:09:02,179 --> 00:09:02,679 it 241 00:09:03,299 --> 00:09:05,879 it involves an understanding of payer mix, 242 00:09:06,820 --> 00:09:07,320 technology, 243 00:09:08,179 --> 00:09:09,879 staffing models, population 244 00:09:10,259 --> 00:09:12,679 health dynamics, and how trends of 245 00:09:13,105 --> 00:09:16,085 prevalence of different community based cancers arise, 246 00:09:16,945 --> 00:09:19,904 you know, an understanding of integrated health care 247 00:09:19,904 --> 00:09:20,404 systems, 248 00:09:21,345 --> 00:09:24,625 and probably most of all, creativity in what 249 00:09:24,625 --> 00:09:27,105 we do, you know, especially with regards to 250 00:09:27,105 --> 00:09:28,164 staffing models, 251 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,899 with respect to referral patterns and how we, 252 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:34,899 help to, 253 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:36,740 share 254 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:40,000 the increasing indications for what we do with 255 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,475 our referring providers 256 00:09:42,335 --> 00:09:44,195 and also the patient population 257 00:09:44,735 --> 00:09:45,715 just in general, 258 00:09:46,254 --> 00:09:49,715 education for screening, for appropriate screening, and 259 00:09:50,254 --> 00:09:51,394 timely treatment. 260 00:09:51,855 --> 00:09:54,115 Because as we know, when you catch cancers 261 00:09:54,175 --> 00:09:54,675 earlier, 262 00:09:55,549 --> 00:09:57,789 they're treated all the more effectively and without 263 00:09:57,789 --> 00:09:59,169 side effects and with 264 00:09:59,629 --> 00:10:01,649 an expectation of a great outcome. 265 00:10:02,350 --> 00:10:04,429 Mhmm. So those are things that we focus 266 00:10:04,429 --> 00:10:05,490 on in our community. 267 00:10:05,949 --> 00:10:06,449 Access 268 00:10:06,909 --> 00:10:08,370 access is number one 269 00:10:08,750 --> 00:10:09,569 and access 270 00:10:09,894 --> 00:10:11,274 to high quality care 271 00:10:11,894 --> 00:10:13,274 on a timely basis 272 00:10:13,735 --> 00:10:14,714 is most important. 273 00:10:15,495 --> 00:10:17,254 Perfect. Thank you for laying that out too. 274 00:10:17,254 --> 00:10:18,934 I I love that you touched on, you 275 00:10:18,934 --> 00:10:20,554 know, access doesn't just mean 276 00:10:21,095 --> 00:10:23,519 accessing care, you know, being able to schedule 277 00:10:23,519 --> 00:10:25,519 appointment. It means all those different factors that 278 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:26,740 you mentioned, payer, 279 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:28,500 considerations, 280 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,419 and time, and and all those different, 281 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,340 you know, sometimes barriers. Right? So, 282 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:39,684 it's always so valuable to hear from someone 283 00:10:39,684 --> 00:10:42,105 who's there and and doing the work to 284 00:10:42,485 --> 00:10:44,404 to kind of streamline and and find those 285 00:10:44,404 --> 00:10:46,964 solutions to providing care access. So thank you 286 00:10:46,964 --> 00:10:49,125 for sharing that. And and that's all the 287 00:10:49,125 --> 00:10:51,059 time we have. So I'd love to thank 288 00:10:51,059 --> 00:10:53,220 you for joining me on the podcast today 289 00:10:53,220 --> 00:10:55,639 as well. It's been such an informative discussion. 290 00:10:56,579 --> 00:10:58,500 Oh, thank you for having me. I appreciate 291 00:10:58,500 --> 00:10:59,000 it. 292 00:10:59,779 --> 00:11:01,860 Alright. And I invite our listeners to tune 293 00:11:01,860 --> 00:11:04,664 in some more podcasts from Becker's Healthcare by 294 00:11:04,664 --> 00:11:09,065 visiting our podcast page at beckershospitalreview.com. 295 00:11:09,065 --> 00:11:10,825 I hope you all have a wonderful rest 296 00:11:10,825 --> 00:11:12,044 of your day. Thanks.