1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,480 Hi, everyone. This is Lucas Voss with Becker's 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:04,480 Healthcare. Thanks so much for tuning in to 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,200 the Becker's Healthcare podcast series. It's great to 4 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,599 have you. We have an exciting topic today, 5 00:00:09,599 --> 00:00:11,380 one of my favorites on education 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,019 and our great healthcare professionals. 7 00:00:15,365 --> 00:00:18,404 Atollan is furthering the careers of aspiring health 8 00:00:18,404 --> 00:00:21,464 care professionals, helping to solve critical workforce shortages 9 00:00:21,524 --> 00:00:23,384 across the health care industry. 10 00:00:24,164 --> 00:00:26,884 And to talk about that, very excited to 11 00:00:26,884 --> 00:00:29,529 have Scott Lyles with me, president at Tollen 12 00:00:29,529 --> 00:00:32,750 Medical, a veterinary at Tollen Global Education. 13 00:00:33,530 --> 00:00:35,289 Scott, thanks so much for being here today 14 00:00:35,289 --> 00:00:37,769 and taking the time. Hey, Lucas. Delighted to. 15 00:00:37,769 --> 00:00:38,829 Thanks for the opportunity. 16 00:00:39,369 --> 00:00:41,449 Absolutely. And I wanna turn the floor over 17 00:00:41,449 --> 00:00:43,695 to you. You are going to have to 18 00:00:43,695 --> 00:00:46,174 introduce yourself to our audience, and I also 19 00:00:46,174 --> 00:00:48,335 wanna hear a little bit more about your 20 00:00:48,335 --> 00:00:50,895 work in health care and just a little 21 00:00:50,895 --> 00:00:52,034 bit about Atalem's, 22 00:00:52,414 --> 00:00:54,195 medical education footprint. 23 00:00:55,359 --> 00:00:55,859 Absolutely. 24 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,880 Well, again, thank you for the opportunity to 25 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,359 join. As you, you teed up, my name 26 00:01:01,359 --> 00:01:02,899 is Scott Lyles. I'm the president 27 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,420 of Aetalum's Medical and Veterinary Schools. 28 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:07,380 Aetalum 29 00:01:08,325 --> 00:01:11,204 is the number one provider of health care 30 00:01:11,204 --> 00:01:14,025 professionals in The US marketplace 31 00:01:14,484 --> 00:01:15,944 that expands to nurses, 32 00:01:17,045 --> 00:01:18,025 of all stripes, 33 00:01:19,045 --> 00:01:20,665 doctors and veterinarians. 34 00:01:20,965 --> 00:01:23,305 We're the second largest provider 35 00:01:23,780 --> 00:01:24,439 of doctors, 36 00:01:25,060 --> 00:01:27,079 in The United States and the largest provider 37 00:01:27,540 --> 00:01:30,599 of doctors of color and the largest provider 38 00:01:30,819 --> 00:01:31,479 of veterinarians. 39 00:01:32,579 --> 00:01:34,040 We do this through, 40 00:01:34,579 --> 00:01:35,079 education, 41 00:01:35,665 --> 00:01:37,604 tertiary education. In the case of, 42 00:01:38,224 --> 00:01:41,524 the nursing schools, we have two different platforms, 43 00:01:42,224 --> 00:01:45,204 Chamberlain and Walden, nursing, which provide undergraduate 44 00:01:45,744 --> 00:01:49,444 and graduate programs, including nurse practitioner and, physician's 45 00:01:49,584 --> 00:01:52,600 assistants. The medical schools which I run, we 46 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,540 provide terminal MD degrees, 47 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,980 for primarily US Doctors. We have a few 48 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,320 we choose to, practice in Canada and The 49 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,820 UK and elsewhere. We're, quite an international 50 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,525 footprint. And in the case of the veterinary 51 00:02:06,525 --> 00:02:07,984 schools, our terminal degree 52 00:02:08,284 --> 00:02:10,145 is, 99% 53 00:02:10,444 --> 00:02:12,544 DVMs. We do have a PhD program, 54 00:02:13,084 --> 00:02:13,745 as well. 55 00:02:14,205 --> 00:02:16,465 Our two medical schools are in The Caribbean, 56 00:02:17,084 --> 00:02:19,689 the American University of the Caribbean Medical School, 57 00:02:19,689 --> 00:02:20,909 which is in Saint Martin, 58 00:02:21,530 --> 00:02:23,789 and Ross University School of Medicine, 59 00:02:24,090 --> 00:02:25,229 which is in Barbados. 60 00:02:26,569 --> 00:02:28,509 Awesome. Thank you so much for that introduction. 61 00:02:28,650 --> 00:02:30,109 A wide variety, 62 00:02:31,370 --> 00:02:32,625 a broad scope here. 63 00:02:33,185 --> 00:02:34,865 One of the things I I wanna touch 64 00:02:34,865 --> 00:02:37,925 on is is match day, and it's obviously 65 00:02:38,145 --> 00:02:40,064 a lot of folks are familiar with with 66 00:02:40,064 --> 00:02:40,805 that term. 67 00:02:41,104 --> 00:02:43,925 It's it's very special for medical professionals, 68 00:02:44,944 --> 00:02:47,185 obviously, and it's just behind us for for 69 00:02:47,185 --> 00:02:47,909 most folks. 70 00:02:48,469 --> 00:02:49,689 What are some of the trends 71 00:02:49,990 --> 00:02:53,270 you've seen related to specific medical specialties and 72 00:02:53,270 --> 00:02:55,189 and residencies? What are what are some of 73 00:02:55,189 --> 00:02:57,270 the trends you're seeing there? Yeah. Well, thanks, 74 00:02:57,270 --> 00:02:59,189 Lucas. And let me, just add to that. 75 00:02:59,189 --> 00:03:01,349 That match day is a truly glorious day 76 00:03:01,510 --> 00:03:04,645 Yeah. For medical students. It's for for most 77 00:03:04,645 --> 00:03:07,385 of them, it's the Super Bowl even eclipsing 78 00:03:07,525 --> 00:03:08,905 their graduation day, 79 00:03:09,365 --> 00:03:11,145 which is, you know, for the families 80 00:03:11,525 --> 00:03:12,025 equally, 81 00:03:12,885 --> 00:03:13,784 equally glorious. 82 00:03:14,405 --> 00:03:15,625 But match day, 83 00:03:15,925 --> 00:03:17,925 for folks who may not be aware is 84 00:03:18,085 --> 00:03:19,840 it it's the day that kicks off a 85 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:20,659 few weeks 86 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,819 of graduating medical students getting their residency placements. 87 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:28,180 This is when they become doctors. Mhmm. And 88 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:29,939 the trend in match day 89 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:31,219 has been 90 00:03:31,735 --> 00:03:34,935 that on match day, about ninety three or 91 00:03:34,935 --> 00:03:35,834 ninety four 92 00:03:36,215 --> 00:03:38,474 % of students on that single day 93 00:03:38,775 --> 00:03:41,034 will get to know where they're gonna be, 94 00:03:41,414 --> 00:03:42,875 placed in residency. 95 00:03:43,655 --> 00:03:45,620 A, a couple of the key trends that 96 00:03:45,620 --> 00:03:47,000 have gone on recently 97 00:03:47,780 --> 00:03:49,719 are that we have seen a decline 98 00:03:50,580 --> 00:03:53,379 in the number of general practitioners. So folks 99 00:03:53,379 --> 00:03:54,920 who are going into family practice, 100 00:03:55,620 --> 00:03:57,640 folks who are going into general medicine, 101 00:03:58,420 --> 00:03:59,319 internal medicine, 102 00:03:59,939 --> 00:04:02,025 which are, typically, those are considered, 103 00:04:02,344 --> 00:04:04,905 the general practice areas. We've seen a decline 104 00:04:04,905 --> 00:04:07,224 in those. It's, actually below 50% 105 00:04:07,224 --> 00:04:07,724 now, 106 00:04:08,104 --> 00:04:09,645 across The United States. 107 00:04:09,944 --> 00:04:11,944 And we've tended to see this has come 108 00:04:11,944 --> 00:04:15,039 as specialties have really increased, and we've continued 109 00:04:15,039 --> 00:04:17,040 to see that this year. Some of the 110 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:17,939 hottest specialties, 111 00:04:18,639 --> 00:04:21,379 that are out there are orthopedic surgery, 112 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:22,740 obstetrics, 113 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,980 continue to be really, really, highly sought after 114 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:27,540 specialties. 115 00:04:28,285 --> 00:04:30,045 Yeah. Absolutely. And I'm I'm glad again that 116 00:04:30,045 --> 00:04:31,964 you've touched on the the the sort of 117 00:04:31,964 --> 00:04:34,704 how special this process is simply because it's 118 00:04:35,324 --> 00:04:37,725 it's career defining and it's life defining for 119 00:04:37,725 --> 00:04:38,545 a lot of folks. 120 00:04:38,925 --> 00:04:40,685 Would they end up in places that they 121 00:04:40,685 --> 00:04:42,870 might stay for for a long period of 122 00:04:42,870 --> 00:04:43,370 time? 123 00:04:44,389 --> 00:04:44,889 Watching 124 00:04:45,910 --> 00:04:48,789 some of these students, watching some of these 125 00:04:48,789 --> 00:04:52,069 folks become doctors and entering their their their 126 00:04:52,069 --> 00:04:54,729 next phase of their lives, essentially, 127 00:04:55,029 --> 00:04:56,410 what are some of the characteristics 128 00:04:57,029 --> 00:05:00,764 that define especially this last crop of medical 129 00:05:00,764 --> 00:05:02,925 residents that that you've been seeing? What are 130 00:05:02,925 --> 00:05:04,064 some of those characteristics? 131 00:05:04,845 --> 00:05:06,865 Well, I'll I'll speak specifically 132 00:05:07,165 --> 00:05:09,485 for our medical schools. Lucas, this is an 133 00:05:09,485 --> 00:05:09,985 area 134 00:05:10,579 --> 00:05:12,500 of which we are very, very proud at 135 00:05:12,500 --> 00:05:14,680 Etalem and really fits into our 136 00:05:14,980 --> 00:05:15,959 overall mission 137 00:05:16,259 --> 00:05:19,160 of providing access to to medical health care. 138 00:05:19,779 --> 00:05:22,360 We at Ross and AUC 139 00:05:23,060 --> 00:05:25,399 continue to see a very, very high rates 140 00:05:25,620 --> 00:05:26,115 of 141 00:05:26,675 --> 00:05:27,574 first time 142 00:05:27,875 --> 00:05:28,375 college, 143 00:05:28,834 --> 00:05:31,154 professionals who are coming out. So these are 144 00:05:31,154 --> 00:05:33,154 these are members of their families. It's the 145 00:05:33,154 --> 00:05:33,894 first time, 146 00:05:34,354 --> 00:05:36,935 that anyone in their family has been to 147 00:05:37,074 --> 00:05:38,854 tertiary education, much less, 148 00:05:39,474 --> 00:05:42,055 a professional program like, medical school. 149 00:05:42,410 --> 00:05:44,889 We have a very high level of peoples 150 00:05:44,889 --> 00:05:45,550 of color, 151 00:05:46,250 --> 00:05:46,750 women 152 00:05:47,209 --> 00:05:50,410 who are coming out of our schools, and 153 00:05:50,410 --> 00:05:52,029 this has been a continued trend. 154 00:05:52,410 --> 00:05:53,870 We also, as I noted, 155 00:05:54,250 --> 00:05:55,389 see very high levels 156 00:05:56,169 --> 00:05:57,709 of placement in 157 00:05:58,305 --> 00:06:01,425 general health care, general practice. Yeah. For our 158 00:06:01,425 --> 00:06:01,925 students, 159 00:06:02,705 --> 00:06:05,925 this year, and this has echoed previous years, 160 00:06:06,064 --> 00:06:09,045 we've seen around 60% placement of our students 161 00:06:09,425 --> 00:06:11,709 in some form of general practice, whether that's 162 00:06:11,709 --> 00:06:14,050 family practice, internal medicine, general medicine. 163 00:06:14,350 --> 00:06:17,229 We see folks going, into that field, which 164 00:06:17,229 --> 00:06:19,810 is great for The US health care system. 165 00:06:19,870 --> 00:06:21,949 The US health care system has shortages of 166 00:06:21,949 --> 00:06:22,449 doctors, 167 00:06:22,750 --> 00:06:23,564 full stop. 168 00:06:24,524 --> 00:06:25,904 In general practice, 169 00:06:26,285 --> 00:06:27,024 those shortages 170 00:06:27,324 --> 00:06:29,024 are really acute, 171 00:06:29,485 --> 00:06:31,425 and we're very proud that we are providing 172 00:06:31,884 --> 00:06:33,904 so much support for that area. 173 00:06:34,524 --> 00:06:37,165 The second area that, has been a trend 174 00:06:37,165 --> 00:06:39,149 is I I noted, you know, Lucas, a 175 00:06:39,149 --> 00:06:40,370 little bit of that movement 176 00:06:40,670 --> 00:06:42,050 away from general practice, 177 00:06:42,830 --> 00:06:45,870 at large towards more specialty. We've also seen 178 00:06:45,870 --> 00:06:46,689 a real concentration 179 00:06:47,629 --> 00:06:48,129 within, 180 00:06:48,670 --> 00:06:52,209 larger cities and larger more affluent geographies, 181 00:06:52,910 --> 00:06:55,845 where where folks are going. And this this 182 00:06:55,845 --> 00:06:58,185 notion of health deserts 183 00:06:58,725 --> 00:07:00,665 or of medical care deserts, 184 00:07:01,444 --> 00:07:02,585 that gets touted 185 00:07:02,964 --> 00:07:05,205 is something that we've seen accelerating over the 186 00:07:05,205 --> 00:07:06,745 last few years and gets amplified 187 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:07,939 with residency. 188 00:07:08,399 --> 00:07:09,860 You know, when people go 189 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:10,740 to, 190 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,600 you know, very high end areas in the 191 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:14,500 in the suburbs 192 00:07:14,879 --> 00:07:16,740 or very well healed hospitals, 193 00:07:17,599 --> 00:07:18,899 that tend to serve, 194 00:07:19,774 --> 00:07:20,435 a clientele 195 00:07:20,735 --> 00:07:22,895 who really don't have a shortage of health 196 00:07:22,895 --> 00:07:23,634 care options. 197 00:07:24,175 --> 00:07:26,435 That happens at the expense 198 00:07:26,975 --> 00:07:28,915 of areas that don't have that same luxury. 199 00:07:29,375 --> 00:07:31,955 And what we see is with our students, 200 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,459 they are attending at a higher rate, 201 00:07:34,759 --> 00:07:36,620 certainly a much higher rate than average, 202 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:37,899 of matching 203 00:07:38,519 --> 00:07:40,439 in these areas that are otherwise known as 204 00:07:40,439 --> 00:07:43,180 health care deserts where we're able to provide 205 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,720 a really significant level of support for those 206 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:46,220 communities. 207 00:07:47,404 --> 00:07:49,245 Yeah. And that's such an important piece of 208 00:07:49,245 --> 00:07:51,564 the puzzle, I think, especially for, as you've 209 00:07:51,564 --> 00:07:52,545 mentioned, right, 210 00:07:52,925 --> 00:07:55,504 health care deserts, rural America specifically, 211 00:07:56,125 --> 00:07:58,764 having that general practitioner that's home in that 212 00:07:58,764 --> 00:08:00,764 community is so key because a lot of 213 00:08:00,764 --> 00:08:03,520 the communities we know this have lost their 214 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,160 doctors, have lost their providers. And, again, it 215 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,819 goes along with the shortages that we're experiencing, 216 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,300 all across the board there. 217 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,360 Now you you've touched on this a little 218 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,220 bit. What role does 219 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,774 international education play in this 220 00:08:18,415 --> 00:08:19,634 and really alleviating 221 00:08:19,935 --> 00:08:21,634 some of these pressure points, 222 00:08:22,095 --> 00:08:24,915 both in supporting student access and preparing graduates, 223 00:08:25,134 --> 00:08:27,935 right, to serve then in the communities that 224 00:08:27,935 --> 00:08:30,175 we touched on, in the communities that really 225 00:08:30,175 --> 00:08:31,074 need it most? 226 00:08:31,769 --> 00:08:33,710 You know, it's a it's a great question, 227 00:08:33,769 --> 00:08:36,250 and there's really two pieces to it. If 228 00:08:36,250 --> 00:08:38,490 we think at the beginning of the pipeline 229 00:08:38,490 --> 00:08:41,070 of medical education, this is people applying to 230 00:08:41,450 --> 00:08:44,409 and getting into medical school, we have had 231 00:08:44,409 --> 00:08:45,389 a chronic 232 00:08:46,154 --> 00:08:47,375 shortage of supply 233 00:08:47,754 --> 00:08:49,134 within MD programs 234 00:08:49,514 --> 00:08:51,695 in The United States for multiple years. 235 00:08:52,154 --> 00:08:53,774 Fewer than half of applicants 236 00:08:54,315 --> 00:08:57,615 have been accepted into a US, MD program. 237 00:08:58,074 --> 00:09:00,269 It's been about around 45%. 238 00:09:00,269 --> 00:09:02,509 Fluctuates a little bit year over year, but 239 00:09:02,509 --> 00:09:05,089 has generally stayed somewhere between 45 240 00:09:05,389 --> 00:09:07,009 and just below 50%. 241 00:09:07,309 --> 00:09:09,809 That translates into a shortage of doctors, 242 00:09:10,750 --> 00:09:13,735 four years hence when it's match day for 243 00:09:13,735 --> 00:09:14,235 those, 244 00:09:14,695 --> 00:09:17,495 folks who were at one stage first year 245 00:09:17,495 --> 00:09:17,995 students. 246 00:09:18,535 --> 00:09:20,875 While the DO programs have really expanded, 247 00:09:21,335 --> 00:09:24,295 they're not coming anywhere near to closing the 248 00:09:24,295 --> 00:09:24,795 gap. 249 00:09:25,575 --> 00:09:27,815 We reckon there's somewhere around a 30 to 250 00:09:27,815 --> 00:09:28,774 31,000 251 00:09:28,774 --> 00:09:29,190 student 252 00:09:29,590 --> 00:09:31,529 gap between folks who want to, 253 00:09:32,070 --> 00:09:33,750 be doctors and those folks who get a 254 00:09:33,750 --> 00:09:35,529 seat in US schools. 255 00:09:36,070 --> 00:09:39,049 DO programs close about 8,000 of those. 256 00:09:39,669 --> 00:09:42,169 So they're so well above 20,000 257 00:09:42,870 --> 00:09:43,815 student gap 258 00:09:44,215 --> 00:09:46,615 in terms of getting the folks into medical 259 00:09:46,615 --> 00:09:49,115 school who will ultimately become doctors. 260 00:09:49,575 --> 00:09:52,375 That translates into tens and tens of thousands 261 00:09:52,375 --> 00:09:53,674 of doctors shortage 262 00:09:54,134 --> 00:09:55,115 as we go through 263 00:09:55,495 --> 00:09:56,554 that life cycle 264 00:09:56,934 --> 00:09:59,434 of medical education and ultimately into being 265 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,600 a doctor. And that is only becoming more 266 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,519 acute as we have more and more people 267 00:10:04,519 --> 00:10:05,019 retiring. 268 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,259 So international medical, 269 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:08,379 programs 270 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,420 help to close that gap, in particular ones 271 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:12,620 like Ross 272 00:10:12,945 --> 00:10:14,565 Medical and like AUC 273 00:10:15,105 --> 00:10:18,304 who are geared towards training doctors who will 274 00:10:18,304 --> 00:10:19,365 ultimately practice 275 00:10:19,665 --> 00:10:22,065 in The United States. The vast majority of 276 00:10:22,065 --> 00:10:25,125 our doctors, over 95% of our students, rather, 277 00:10:25,345 --> 00:10:27,500 who practice wind becoming doctors in in The 278 00:10:27,500 --> 00:10:31,759 US. So the IMG, the international medical, programs, 279 00:10:31,980 --> 00:10:34,860 and the international medical graduates played a critical 280 00:10:34,860 --> 00:10:36,399 role in helping, 281 00:10:36,860 --> 00:10:37,519 to close 282 00:10:37,980 --> 00:10:40,459 that gap. Any given year, we think there's 283 00:10:40,459 --> 00:10:41,919 around 16,000, 284 00:10:42,524 --> 00:10:43,904 folks who decide to, 285 00:10:44,605 --> 00:10:45,745 study internationally, 286 00:10:46,445 --> 00:10:46,945 and 287 00:10:47,644 --> 00:10:49,504 those are folks who ultimately 288 00:10:50,044 --> 00:10:52,125 may have the chance to come back and 289 00:10:52,125 --> 00:10:54,125 be doctors in The US. There are some 290 00:10:54,125 --> 00:10:57,004 programs that don't prepare them for that. Ours 291 00:10:57,004 --> 00:11:00,179 do. And so we are, we're really helping 292 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:01,220 the entirety 293 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:02,579 of the system. 294 00:11:04,159 --> 00:11:06,579 Yeah. And I one of the things that, 295 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,740 you know, we went from from our conversation 296 00:11:08,799 --> 00:11:10,480 earlier on match day and and sort of 297 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,835 the exciting piece to this and and how 298 00:11:12,835 --> 00:11:14,835 exciting it is for folks on on match 299 00:11:14,835 --> 00:11:17,394 day itself to now you you've touched on 300 00:11:17,394 --> 00:11:18,754 it. A lot of these folks, this is 301 00:11:18,754 --> 00:11:20,595 the calling for them. They wanted to be 302 00:11:20,595 --> 00:11:22,054 doctors their whole lives. 303 00:11:22,514 --> 00:11:25,360 And there there are significant hurdles, and this 304 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,360 is a pathway for them to be able 305 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,360 to achieve their dream and their calling, which 306 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:30,820 is very important, I think. 307 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:33,200 That's absolutely right. Let me just add just 308 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,220 one point on that because you couldn't be 309 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:37,379 you couldn't be more spot on, 310 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:38,259 is 311 00:11:38,865 --> 00:11:40,625 these folks have had the calling to be 312 00:11:40,625 --> 00:11:41,924 doctors all of their lives. 313 00:11:42,625 --> 00:11:45,605 And the only reason that they're not having 314 00:11:46,144 --> 00:11:48,625 the same opportunity that they may have thought 315 00:11:48,625 --> 00:11:50,544 about when they were in high school or 316 00:11:50,544 --> 00:11:51,845 when they were in their undergraduate 317 00:11:52,544 --> 00:11:55,259 is the shortage of seats in US medical 318 00:11:55,259 --> 00:11:57,039 school. So they you know, to our point, 319 00:11:57,259 --> 00:12:00,299 international programs, which have high placement rates like 320 00:12:00,299 --> 00:12:02,539 we do, have the opportunity to help them 321 00:12:02,539 --> 00:12:03,600 realize their dream. 322 00:12:03,980 --> 00:12:04,879 Yeah. Absolutely. 323 00:12:05,339 --> 00:12:06,320 When I was doing 324 00:12:07,205 --> 00:12:09,625 or preparing for this podcast rather, 325 00:12:10,485 --> 00:12:13,205 my favorite question that I wanted to ask 326 00:12:13,205 --> 00:12:15,205 you was one of the last ones here 327 00:12:15,205 --> 00:12:16,105 for us today. 328 00:12:17,684 --> 00:12:20,884 What would you say to a prospective medical 329 00:12:20,884 --> 00:12:24,179 student who has concerns? They may not be 330 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,080 a match for a career in health care. 331 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,840 I just wanted to hear your thoughts and 332 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,160 your perspective on this. What what will you 333 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:30,980 say to them? 334 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:33,700 You know, what I what I would say 335 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:34,899 is that 336 00:12:35,554 --> 00:12:37,714 because of the situation that we have in 337 00:12:37,714 --> 00:12:39,335 in US medical education, 338 00:12:39,875 --> 00:12:42,115 a lot of students are told that they 339 00:12:42,115 --> 00:12:44,195 just don't have what it takes to be 340 00:12:44,195 --> 00:12:46,914 a doctor. Okay. And that is because of 341 00:12:46,914 --> 00:12:49,335 an artificial shortage that we've we've created. 342 00:12:50,429 --> 00:12:51,809 We have successfully, 343 00:12:52,429 --> 00:12:53,250 over decades, 344 00:12:54,350 --> 00:12:56,990 helped people become doctors who were told throughout 345 00:12:56,990 --> 00:12:59,309 their entire undergraduate career that they wouldn't make 346 00:12:59,309 --> 00:12:59,809 it. 347 00:13:00,269 --> 00:13:02,589 We have very, very successfully done that. This 348 00:13:02,589 --> 00:13:04,504 year, for '25, 349 00:13:04,804 --> 00:13:06,804 our match day rate was just a little 350 00:13:06,804 --> 00:13:08,264 bit over ninety three percent. 351 00:13:08,565 --> 00:13:11,464 That puts us bang on average with USMD 352 00:13:12,004 --> 00:13:13,945 Mhmm. And a little bit ahead of USDO. 353 00:13:14,565 --> 00:13:16,809 And I will say for our in our 354 00:13:16,809 --> 00:13:17,309 school's 355 00:13:18,009 --> 00:13:19,949 recognition, that's about 20 points 356 00:13:20,409 --> 00:13:22,029 higher than the average, 357 00:13:22,409 --> 00:13:23,149 other international 358 00:13:23,610 --> 00:13:24,110 institutions. 359 00:13:24,809 --> 00:13:25,629 So we 360 00:13:25,929 --> 00:13:27,230 have a strong, 361 00:13:28,250 --> 00:13:30,485 track record and a strong history 362 00:13:30,945 --> 00:13:33,504 of helping these folks who have dreamed of 363 00:13:33,504 --> 00:13:34,485 becoming doctors 364 00:13:34,865 --> 00:13:37,125 to realize that dream in The United States. 365 00:13:37,985 --> 00:13:40,245 I think that's an important fact to hear, 366 00:13:40,785 --> 00:13:43,424 an important statistics to hear for them or 367 00:13:43,424 --> 00:13:45,929 for those that have that dream and want 368 00:13:45,929 --> 00:13:48,410 to achieve that dream. Scott, thank you so 369 00:13:48,410 --> 00:13:50,250 much for your insights and your time today. 370 00:13:50,250 --> 00:13:51,149 This was fantastic. 371 00:13:51,690 --> 00:13:53,950 Thank you, Lucas. I very much appreciate it. 372 00:13:54,009 --> 00:13:55,610 It was great having you, and we also 373 00:13:55,610 --> 00:13:57,925 want to thank our podcast sponsor at Talon 374 00:13:57,925 --> 00:13:58,745 Global Education. 375 00:13:59,045 --> 00:14:00,725 And you can tune into more podcasts from 376 00:14:00,725 --> 00:14:03,384 Becker's Health Club by visiting our podcast page 377 00:14:03,445 --> 00:14:06,345 at beckershospitalreview.com.