1 00:00:00,399 --> 00:00:03,120 Welcome everyone to the Becker's Healthcare podcast series. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,679 I'm Mariah Muhammad, writer and moderator with Becker's 3 00:00:05,679 --> 00:00:07,359 Healthcare. And I'm thrilled to have with me 4 00:00:07,359 --> 00:00:09,460 today doctor Arturo Loiza Bumia, 5 00:00:09,845 --> 00:00:11,464 cofounder of Massive Biomedical 6 00:00:11,765 --> 00:00:14,485 Director of Oncology Research and System Wide Chair 7 00:00:14,485 --> 00:00:17,364 of Medical Research at Capital Health. Doctor, welcome 8 00:00:17,364 --> 00:00:19,670 to the Becker's Healthcare podcast. We're very excited 9 00:00:19,670 --> 00:00:21,429 to have you join us today. To get 10 00:00:21,429 --> 00:00:23,510 us started, would you mind please introducing yourself 11 00:00:23,510 --> 00:00:25,130 and telling us a bit about your background? 12 00:00:26,385 --> 00:00:28,304 Yes. Absolutely. Thank you so much for the 13 00:00:28,304 --> 00:00:30,464 opportunity to be here at the podcast. So 14 00:00:30,464 --> 00:00:32,465 as you mentioned, yeah, our tour guides have 15 00:00:32,465 --> 00:00:35,309 been, I'm the cofoundature medical officer of MasseyBio, 16 00:00:35,530 --> 00:00:37,629 which is a company that uses AI 17 00:00:38,170 --> 00:00:40,090 and detailed health solutions to help patients who 18 00:00:40,090 --> 00:00:42,409 find clinical trials at scale and kind of 19 00:00:42,409 --> 00:00:45,134 relieving the physicians like myself very busy to, 20 00:00:45,375 --> 00:00:47,454 keep them off that task and focus on 21 00:00:47,454 --> 00:00:50,579 clinical practice. And also I'm the director of 22 00:00:50,740 --> 00:00:53,219 oncology research and shadow research system wise for 23 00:00:53,219 --> 00:00:54,820 Capital Health, which is a health system in 24 00:00:54,820 --> 00:00:56,600 New Jersey and Pennsylvania. So, 25 00:00:56,980 --> 00:00:58,359 happy to be here. 26 00:00:59,424 --> 00:01:01,664 I my my passion is, you know, as 27 00:01:01,664 --> 00:01:04,084 you can imagine, a medical oncology, but also 28 00:01:04,144 --> 00:01:05,364 the integration of technology 29 00:01:05,665 --> 00:01:06,829 and digital health 30 00:01:07,310 --> 00:01:10,030 and that major intersection around clinical trials and, 31 00:01:10,590 --> 00:01:12,590 as a way to optimize workflows to make 32 00:01:12,590 --> 00:01:14,829 things better for all of us. We're pretty 33 00:01:14,829 --> 00:01:17,314 busy in our practices and in health systems 34 00:01:17,375 --> 00:01:18,354 and now with 35 00:01:18,655 --> 00:01:19,795 every extra click, 36 00:01:20,254 --> 00:01:23,215 things are becoming much more, burnout prone. So 37 00:01:23,215 --> 00:01:25,890 we wanna make it value based solutions that 38 00:01:25,890 --> 00:01:27,329 we can get that to help myself and 39 00:01:27,329 --> 00:01:29,009 my own practice. I still practice in the 40 00:01:29,009 --> 00:01:29,890 clinic. So, 41 00:01:30,289 --> 00:01:31,430 so happy to, 42 00:01:32,049 --> 00:01:34,674 discuss with, all of you at Becker's opportunities 43 00:01:34,674 --> 00:01:35,814 to optimize those. 44 00:01:36,435 --> 00:01:38,354 Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Thank you again for 45 00:01:38,354 --> 00:01:39,494 giving us that introduction. 46 00:01:40,034 --> 00:01:42,114 So with everything that you're doing and, you 47 00:01:42,114 --> 00:01:43,740 know, a part of, what are some of 48 00:01:43,740 --> 00:01:45,980 the biggest issues you're following in health care 49 00:01:45,980 --> 00:01:46,719 this year? 50 00:01:48,780 --> 00:01:50,240 Yeah. So in 2024, 51 00:01:51,099 --> 00:01:52,380 one of those things that are coming up 52 00:01:52,380 --> 00:01:54,775 is the use of AI. Right? So everyone 53 00:01:55,474 --> 00:01:57,075 is talking about AI, but how do we 54 00:01:57,075 --> 00:01:58,295 really implement 55 00:01:58,834 --> 00:01:59,655 those solutions, 56 00:02:00,114 --> 00:02:01,600 at the point of care in front of 57 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,540 the patient? What is more important? So, 58 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:04,659 to me is, 59 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,080 finding those use cases that are focusing on 60 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,300 clinical decision making. 61 00:02:10,094 --> 00:02:12,814 How can we use that, to expand precision 62 00:02:12,814 --> 00:02:15,455 medicine, for example, biomarker testing for the right 63 00:02:15,455 --> 00:02:15,955 patient, 64 00:02:16,415 --> 00:02:18,254 at a right time so we don't have 65 00:02:18,254 --> 00:02:19,474 to be dealing with 66 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:22,719 under genotype patients who may actually may miss 67 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:23,300 the chance 68 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:25,599 of a targeted drug that is going to 69 00:02:25,599 --> 00:02:26,824 make a difference in their lives. 70 00:02:27,544 --> 00:02:28,824 And also how, 71 00:02:29,145 --> 00:02:30,364 that can help to 72 00:02:30,745 --> 00:02:31,245 optimize 73 00:02:31,544 --> 00:02:34,444 pathways and patient journeys, particularly with cancer. 74 00:02:34,905 --> 00:02:37,199 So it's one of those things that I 75 00:02:37,199 --> 00:02:39,460 feel that technology can really make a difference, 76 00:02:39,759 --> 00:02:41,300 but make it equitable, 77 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,240 because the digital divide is real and not 78 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:44,979 every single 79 00:02:45,395 --> 00:02:47,634 cancer patient has the same tools. So how 80 00:02:47,634 --> 00:02:50,354 can we democratize this using this new, you 81 00:02:50,354 --> 00:02:53,655 know, language models and in other technologies 82 00:02:54,230 --> 00:02:56,409 such as ambiance AI or, 83 00:02:56,870 --> 00:02:57,370 just, 84 00:02:58,150 --> 00:03:01,189 integrated support within the electronic health record, but 85 00:03:01,189 --> 00:03:02,490 make it very patient centric. 86 00:03:03,014 --> 00:03:05,094 And and lastly, all the the issues that 87 00:03:05,094 --> 00:03:07,754 I'm following is the implications on all this 88 00:03:08,055 --> 00:03:10,875 on regulatory changes. So for example, 89 00:03:11,270 --> 00:03:13,430 the evolution of telemedicine. Right? So there's a 90 00:03:13,430 --> 00:03:15,990 lot of, effort happening right now trying to 91 00:03:15,990 --> 00:03:16,810 make telemedicine 92 00:03:17,430 --> 00:03:18,090 a must, 93 00:03:18,985 --> 00:03:21,084 but how we can convince all the stakeholders 94 00:03:21,145 --> 00:03:22,584 that is the right path and how to 95 00:03:22,584 --> 00:03:23,485 keep the quality 96 00:03:23,944 --> 00:03:25,884 of those visits and those assessments 97 00:03:26,185 --> 00:03:28,770 in the right way while with implementing that. 98 00:03:29,310 --> 00:03:31,310 And lastly for me is the part of 99 00:03:31,310 --> 00:03:33,790 the security. Right? So as we're using more 100 00:03:33,790 --> 00:03:34,290 systems, 101 00:03:34,669 --> 00:03:36,655 and, you know, with those ransom attacks and 102 00:03:36,655 --> 00:03:37,555 things are happening, 103 00:03:37,854 --> 00:03:39,854 we want to use those tools, but also 104 00:03:39,854 --> 00:03:40,754 prevent that, 105 00:03:41,055 --> 00:03:43,234 makes us completely dependent on technology. 106 00:03:43,750 --> 00:03:46,550 So, how can we create that value model 107 00:03:46,550 --> 00:03:49,209 that uses not only the technology, but also 108 00:03:49,270 --> 00:03:50,169 makes it safe, 109 00:03:50,789 --> 00:03:53,794 and less biased and and also makes our 110 00:03:53,794 --> 00:03:56,435 lives easier. So, those are challenges of course, 111 00:03:56,435 --> 00:03:59,074 but, with challenges comes opportunity. So that's what 112 00:03:59,074 --> 00:04:00,694 I'm more excited about this year. 113 00:04:03,229 --> 00:04:05,870 Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I definitely think AI is 114 00:04:05,870 --> 00:04:08,189 such a hot, you know, topic for this 115 00:04:08,189 --> 00:04:10,349 year, and there are so many different opinions 116 00:04:10,349 --> 00:04:12,335 on how to use it. I definitely agree 117 00:04:12,335 --> 00:04:14,655 with you there. Is there anything else that 118 00:04:14,655 --> 00:04:16,735 you are kinda excited about or anything that 119 00:04:16,735 --> 00:04:18,895 is making you nervous, whether it's anything you're 120 00:04:18,895 --> 00:04:20,979 seeing in the news, anything that you're currently 121 00:04:20,979 --> 00:04:22,120 doing at your organization? 122 00:04:25,620 --> 00:04:29,000 Well, so something that always makes me nervous 123 00:04:29,219 --> 00:04:29,574 is, 124 00:04:31,415 --> 00:04:33,194 are we going to be able to keep 125 00:04:33,415 --> 00:04:37,435 the pace of growth in healthcare without 126 00:04:37,819 --> 00:04:39,439 the fear of too much consolidation 127 00:04:39,979 --> 00:04:41,839 and that leading to maybe 128 00:04:42,860 --> 00:04:46,159 less access to patients. So I think having 129 00:04:47,671 --> 00:04:49,884 you know, those things in perspective is always 130 00:04:49,884 --> 00:04:52,444 gonna be essential. And I think AI and 131 00:04:52,444 --> 00:04:54,305 and other tools have a role 132 00:04:54,629 --> 00:04:56,550 to do to do in this, in with 133 00:04:56,550 --> 00:04:57,289 these problems. 134 00:04:57,909 --> 00:04:59,769 As we have been talking with different stakeholders, 135 00:04:59,990 --> 00:05:02,074 you know, in Becker's and beyond, one thing 136 00:05:02,074 --> 00:05:03,774 that is clear is that, 137 00:05:04,235 --> 00:05:06,415 we're all excited about using 138 00:05:06,875 --> 00:05:08,894 innovation to improve 139 00:05:09,595 --> 00:05:11,454 the quality of the patient care, 140 00:05:11,979 --> 00:05:13,439 but, also how, 141 00:05:14,539 --> 00:05:16,079 you know, there there's some disparities 142 00:05:16,459 --> 00:05:19,339 across different institutions of which solutions do they 143 00:05:19,339 --> 00:05:19,839 use. 144 00:05:20,595 --> 00:05:21,095 Interoperability 145 00:05:21,634 --> 00:05:24,935 is still a problem between electronic health systems, 146 00:05:25,795 --> 00:05:27,875 because, you know, even if I have, you 147 00:05:27,875 --> 00:05:29,254 know, one system today, 148 00:05:29,740 --> 00:05:31,420 the other health system across the hallway has 149 00:05:31,420 --> 00:05:32,699 a different one, and all of them requires 150 00:05:32,699 --> 00:05:34,080 a different login. 151 00:05:34,540 --> 00:05:35,040 So, 152 00:05:35,500 --> 00:05:37,500 as we are getting into more and more 153 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:39,360 technologically driven systems, 154 00:05:40,175 --> 00:05:41,294 how are we gonna be able to really, 155 00:05:42,654 --> 00:05:45,615 make it completely interoperable. Right? And connect the 156 00:05:45,615 --> 00:05:48,699 dots, making it very centric to the patient 157 00:05:48,699 --> 00:05:50,379 in front of us, to myself if I 158 00:05:50,379 --> 00:05:52,300 am, you know, a patient of the health 159 00:05:52,300 --> 00:05:52,800 system. 160 00:05:53,339 --> 00:05:54,875 I I wanna have that 161 00:05:55,435 --> 00:05:58,415 clarity and and and make it really open, 162 00:05:58,954 --> 00:06:00,654 so information flows freely, 163 00:06:01,035 --> 00:06:03,134 safely, and also helps us to, 164 00:06:03,595 --> 00:06:04,095 prevent, 165 00:06:04,970 --> 00:06:06,669 you know, issues with utilization 166 00:06:07,129 --> 00:06:09,050 and and and, you know, health care costs 167 00:06:09,050 --> 00:06:10,509 are just going through the roof. 168 00:06:10,810 --> 00:06:11,310 So, 169 00:06:11,769 --> 00:06:13,870 it's kind of finding that balance 170 00:06:14,205 --> 00:06:15,345 and and how, 171 00:06:15,964 --> 00:06:17,504 the technology advancements, 172 00:06:17,884 --> 00:06:20,525 you know, they're outstripping the regulatory frameworks and 173 00:06:20,525 --> 00:06:22,605 ethical guidelines so we can ensure, you know, 174 00:06:22,605 --> 00:06:25,879 patient access and and safety and equity. 175 00:06:28,980 --> 00:06:30,660 Yeah. Thank you so much for giving us 176 00:06:30,660 --> 00:06:32,660 that insight. And, doctor, before I let you 177 00:06:32,660 --> 00:06:34,384 go, last thing I really wanted to ask 178 00:06:34,384 --> 00:06:36,464 you is, what would the most effective health 179 00:06:36,464 --> 00:06:38,645 care leaders need in order to be successful 180 00:06:39,425 --> 00:06:40,944 in the next 2 to 3 years, would 181 00:06:40,944 --> 00:06:41,525 you say? 182 00:06:44,699 --> 00:06:46,220 I mean, I think to be successful in 183 00:06:46,220 --> 00:06:47,360 next 2, 3 years, 184 00:06:47,819 --> 00:06:50,079 health care leaders, they need to be 185 00:06:51,035 --> 00:06:53,615 learning and be adapt to leveraging technology, 186 00:06:54,154 --> 00:06:57,194 data analytics and understanding the models that we 187 00:06:57,194 --> 00:06:58,574 have been using. They're 188 00:06:59,675 --> 00:07:00,415 up for 189 00:07:00,779 --> 00:07:01,279 for 190 00:07:01,740 --> 00:07:02,240 innovation, 191 00:07:02,540 --> 00:07:03,519 disruption, replacement, 192 00:07:04,220 --> 00:07:06,319 and particularly around operational efficiencies. 193 00:07:06,939 --> 00:07:07,439 So 194 00:07:08,060 --> 00:07:11,264 the the telehealth systems, they were great for 195 00:07:11,324 --> 00:07:12,944 billing and to operationalize 196 00:07:13,245 --> 00:07:15,264 certain processes that we do in practices. 197 00:07:15,860 --> 00:07:18,180 But, now we it's it's a time to 198 00:07:18,180 --> 00:07:18,680 foster, 199 00:07:19,379 --> 00:07:20,279 inter institutional, 200 00:07:20,660 --> 00:07:21,160 interdisciplinary 201 00:07:21,620 --> 00:07:24,339 collaborations, still agile in response to all these, 202 00:07:24,339 --> 00:07:25,160 you know, healthcare 203 00:07:25,485 --> 00:07:27,425 landscapes are changing constantly. 204 00:07:28,444 --> 00:07:30,604 And also, I think that to be successful 205 00:07:30,604 --> 00:07:33,610 you have to develop really strong communication skills, 206 00:07:33,610 --> 00:07:35,470 not only with the stakeholders internally, 207 00:07:36,410 --> 00:07:39,129 but, with the others around you and and 208 00:07:39,129 --> 00:07:41,069 even competing health systems, competing, 209 00:07:43,425 --> 00:07:44,405 you know, population, 210 00:07:45,185 --> 00:07:45,685 access, 211 00:07:46,384 --> 00:07:47,444 to really make it 212 00:07:48,064 --> 00:07:50,245 very effective. This is a time for collaboration, 213 00:07:51,105 --> 00:07:52,625 in the health system so we can really 214 00:07:52,625 --> 00:07:54,830 be effective. So to me, it's all a 215 00:07:54,830 --> 00:07:57,170 call of, you know, talk to each other, 216 00:07:57,790 --> 00:07:58,689 and meet up, 217 00:07:59,149 --> 00:08:01,975 be go beyond just the the brands and 218 00:08:01,975 --> 00:08:04,615 and really learn what's out because that's gonna 219 00:08:04,615 --> 00:08:06,615 help us to become successful as a country, 220 00:08:06,615 --> 00:08:08,375 as a in, you know, health system as 221 00:08:08,375 --> 00:08:10,740 a whole, which is always challenging, but it 222 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:12,360 has a lot of opportunity. So, 223 00:08:12,740 --> 00:08:14,659 so that's what I I welcome folks to 224 00:08:14,659 --> 00:08:16,579 do so and and and and happy to 225 00:08:16,579 --> 00:08:17,639 be part of the conversation. 226 00:08:19,654 --> 00:08:21,574 Yeah. Thank you so much for sharing those 227 00:08:21,574 --> 00:08:23,975 final thoughts, doctor. This has definitely been an 228 00:08:23,975 --> 00:08:25,975 informative discussion. So, again, I wanna thank you 229 00:08:25,975 --> 00:08:27,850 so much for coming on Becker's Healthcare. I 230 00:08:27,930 --> 00:08:29,870 look forward to connecting with you again soon. 231 00:08:31,050 --> 00:08:32,590 Likewise. Thank you so much. 232 00:08:33,769 --> 00:08:35,654 Alrighty. And that was the end of the 233 00:08:35,654 --> 00:08:37,894 podcast. I think it went really, really well. 234 00:08:37,894 --> 00:08:38,795 How do you feel? 235 00:08:39,815 --> 00:08:41,335 Feel yeah. I feel great. Yeah. No. So 236 00:08:41,335 --> 00:08:42,455 as long as it makes sense what I 237 00:08:42,455 --> 00:08:45,330 said, I'd be just just talking. So Yeah. 238 00:08:45,549 --> 00:08:47,549 Yeah. Of course. So, well, I think it 239 00:08:47,549 --> 00:08:48,529 went really good. 240 00:08:49,070 --> 00:08:50,909 And, again, the podcast team will get in 241 00:08:50,909 --> 00:08:52,929 touch with you about 2 weeks out, 242 00:08:53,404 --> 00:08:56,044 and provide you that, link, so you can 243 00:08:56,044 --> 00:08:57,825 share it and listen to it for yourself. 244 00:08:58,044 --> 00:09:00,125 So, if you have any other questions, feel 245 00:09:00,125 --> 00:09:02,205 free to email me or the podcast team 246 00:09:02,205 --> 00:09:02,705 anytime. 247 00:09:04,029 --> 00:09:06,190 Excellent. Sounds good. Thank you so much. Well, 248 00:09:06,190 --> 00:09:07,309 I hope you have a great rest of 249 00:09:07,309 --> 00:09:07,970 your day. 250 00:09:08,589 --> 00:09:10,610 Same to you. Take care. Alright. Bye.