1 00:00:00,279 --> 00:00:02,911 Cooler weather means the importance of cool clothes, 2 00:00:03,310 --> 00:00:06,261 Jesse Brown's has Pat F and barber for 3 00:00:06,261 --> 00:00:09,292 your top, and Duck head, Mountain Khaki, Jb 4 00:00:09,292 --> 00:00:12,251 b's, for your pants? Oh, yeah. And on 5 00:00:12,251 --> 00:00:15,432 cloud blu stone and L l bean doug 6 00:00:15,432 --> 00:00:18,533 boots for your feet, and you're completely outfitted 7 00:00:18,533 --> 00:00:20,378 for a trip to the grocery to the 8 00:00:20,378 --> 00:00:20,878 parkway 9 00:00:21,335 --> 00:00:23,568 or a trip around the world, get over 10 00:00:23,568 --> 00:00:26,460 to Jesse Brown's or jesse brown's dot com 11 00:00:26,598 --> 00:00:29,230 where the outdoors are always in fashion. 12 00:00:35,303 --> 00:00:37,056 Of course, we always like to get a 13 00:00:37,056 --> 00:00:39,329 little bit culture here on the Carolina 14 00:00:39,710 --> 00:00:40,030 outdoors, 15 00:00:40,909 --> 00:00:44,109 It's not hard to appreciate culture and art 16 00:00:44,109 --> 00:00:46,085 whenever you're outside in 17 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,566 able to take a break and a deep 18 00:00:49,782 --> 00:00:52,486 breath. Welcome everyone to the Carolina Outdoors. I'm 19 00:00:52,486 --> 00:00:55,610 your host, Bill Bart t from our sponsor 20 00:00:56,957 --> 00:00:57,754 Jesse Brown's, 21 00:00:58,313 --> 00:01:01,982 Charlotte local gift and adventure outdoor store located 22 00:01:01,982 --> 00:01:04,295 in the shopping district of Charlotte over in 23 00:01:04,295 --> 00:01:05,651 the Shared corner shopping center, 24 00:01:06,224 --> 00:01:07,045 and always 25 00:01:07,505 --> 00:01:10,545 online at shop dot jesse browns dot com. 26 00:01:11,505 --> 00:01:13,265 A person that we seek out when we're 27 00:01:13,265 --> 00:01:14,145 talking about art, 28 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,280 It's 1 of our resident artist here on 29 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,040 the Carolina outdoors program. 30 00:01:19,599 --> 00:01:21,734 He's a man that was raised in boone 31 00:01:21,854 --> 00:01:24,571 fly fishing and refreshing in the Creek and 32 00:01:24,571 --> 00:01:25,071 rivers 33 00:01:25,609 --> 00:01:27,787 of Western North Carolina. He's also 34 00:01:28,645 --> 00:01:31,525 been a 30 year. Is that right? 30 35 00:01:31,525 --> 00:01:34,230 year visual arts teacher in the Cms system, 36 00:01:34,946 --> 00:01:35,502 his name? 37 00:01:36,313 --> 00:01:37,109 Brian He. 38 00:01:37,826 --> 00:01:39,895 Brian, welcome to the Carolina outdoors. 39 00:01:41,089 --> 00:01:43,477 Hey, Bill. Thank you for having me again. 40 00:01:43,716 --> 00:01:45,666 I'm I'm grateful. That's. 41 00:01:46,043 --> 00:01:48,755 Man, listen, Brian, as we're speaking. We have 42 00:01:48,755 --> 00:01:50,908 2 different types of listeners here. We've got 43 00:01:50,908 --> 00:01:52,424 people who are waking up early to the 44 00:01:52,503 --> 00:01:53,641 Carolina outdoors 45 00:01:53,954 --> 00:01:56,342 via the airways of W t early on 46 00:01:56,342 --> 00:01:58,969 a Saturday morning, we have other people that 47 00:01:58,969 --> 00:02:01,278 are joining us whenever they want to via 48 00:02:01,278 --> 00:02:01,778 podcast 49 00:02:02,169 --> 00:02:04,957 highlights to the Carolina Outdoors. They can go 50 00:02:04,957 --> 00:02:06,254 in here our previous 51 00:02:07,029 --> 00:02:07,529 conversations 52 00:02:07,985 --> 00:02:08,941 here on the program. 53 00:02:09,594 --> 00:02:12,304 Right there. Because last we spoke, you were 54 00:02:12,304 --> 00:02:15,913 still teaching still designing, still sculpting, still 55 00:02:16,370 --> 00:02:17,326 being an artist. 56 00:02:18,296 --> 00:02:19,963 You were also at the fly fishing film 57 00:02:19,963 --> 00:02:22,051 tour are helping raise money for cold water 58 00:02:22,345 --> 00:02:25,123 conservation with the Rocky river trout unlimited crowd. 59 00:02:25,854 --> 00:02:27,151 But you were also 60 00:02:27,607 --> 00:02:30,874 working on a book. She talks to fish. 61 00:02:31,113 --> 00:02:32,967 We wanted to kinda take a little 62 00:02:33,439 --> 00:02:35,516 Take a little update moment to find out, 63 00:02:35,996 --> 00:02:38,392 here we are mid summer or so to 64 00:02:38,392 --> 00:02:40,525 find out from Brian He how that 65 00:02:41,044 --> 00:02:44,004 particular project is going in any other updates 66 00:02:44,004 --> 00:02:46,724 that you have in the art and culture 67 00:02:46,724 --> 00:02:49,454 world for us here on the program. Awesome. 68 00:02:49,771 --> 00:02:50,961 Awesome. Awesome. Thank, bill. 69 00:02:52,071 --> 00:02:52,388 Just 70 00:02:53,102 --> 00:02:55,481 just to kinda cap off the the 30 71 00:02:55,481 --> 00:02:57,562 year comment. Yeah. I have 72 00:02:58,998 --> 00:03:01,071 I'm I'm dipping back into next year, I'll 73 00:03:01,071 --> 00:03:01,390 be 74 00:03:02,905 --> 00:03:05,160 pretty much wrapping up my 75 00:03:06,509 --> 00:03:07,328 30 years 76 00:03:07,866 --> 00:03:08,845 in January, 77 00:03:10,899 --> 00:03:11,936 20 25. 78 00:03:12,654 --> 00:03:14,570 So that will be it. I'll be able 79 00:03:14,570 --> 00:03:16,122 to step away from the classroom 80 00:03:16,898 --> 00:03:18,755 and hopefully focus on 81 00:03:19,372 --> 00:03:21,900 on my painting as well as the book 82 00:03:22,099 --> 00:03:24,732 the novel What been released. Well, that's been 83 00:03:24,732 --> 00:03:26,886 a part of your program a little bit 84 00:03:26,886 --> 00:03:29,301 is this transition from 1 career 85 00:03:29,933 --> 00:03:31,528 of course, this has always been a passion. 86 00:03:31,767 --> 00:03:33,123 I wanna talk you a little bit about 87 00:03:33,123 --> 00:03:35,117 that. Though, I mean, Art has not just 88 00:03:35,117 --> 00:03:37,429 been a career for you and and in 89 00:03:37,429 --> 00:03:38,466 sharing that, But 90 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:41,116 that from an educational part, but it's been 91 00:03:41,116 --> 00:03:43,114 a part of your core and how you, 92 00:03:44,152 --> 00:03:44,791 in my words, 93 00:03:45,670 --> 00:03:48,092 refresh and stay fresh. And 94 00:03:48,464 --> 00:03:51,003 you also use the sport of fly fishing 95 00:03:51,003 --> 00:03:52,137 for your soul 96 00:03:52,589 --> 00:03:54,200 to refresh and 97 00:03:54,508 --> 00:03:57,131 and and, you know, that's important to, 98 00:03:57,846 --> 00:04:00,151 work from a blank slate if you will, 99 00:04:00,549 --> 00:04:03,513 when you're creating art to be refreshed and 100 00:04:03,743 --> 00:04:06,281 and then have these outlets? How important has 101 00:04:06,281 --> 00:04:07,257 the outdoors 102 00:04:07,709 --> 00:04:10,168 generally been to Brian He in being, 103 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:11,620 being 104 00:04:11,929 --> 00:04:14,401 staying fresh and relevant as an educator, but 105 00:04:14,401 --> 00:04:14,901 also 106 00:04:15,279 --> 00:04:17,751 as an artist over the past 30 plus 107 00:04:17,751 --> 00:04:17,991 years. 108 00:04:18,868 --> 00:04:20,942 Well, you... I think that you you hit 109 00:04:20,942 --> 00:04:23,264 the nail on the head right there, bill 110 00:04:23,264 --> 00:04:23,764 because 111 00:04:24,376 --> 00:04:25,353 fly fishing 112 00:04:25,727 --> 00:04:28,905 has been the common thread for me. For 113 00:04:28,905 --> 00:04:31,965 absolutely everything that I've done with my invention 114 00:04:32,500 --> 00:04:34,810 with the magnetic Fly box with Mo bear 115 00:04:34,810 --> 00:04:35,310 2 116 00:04:36,243 --> 00:04:38,973 my paintings that I've done. And then 117 00:04:39,603 --> 00:04:40,103 using 118 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,990 that, well the inspiration of the the flat 119 00:04:43,990 --> 00:04:46,622 fishing club that I had at, Myers Park 120 00:04:46,622 --> 00:04:50,245 high school, which ultimately became that springboard that 121 00:04:50,539 --> 00:04:51,515 inspiration for, 122 00:04:52,364 --> 00:04:54,745 the novel that I just finished, 123 00:04:55,301 --> 00:04:56,730 that was 7 and a half years in 124 00:04:56,730 --> 00:04:57,865 the making. So 125 00:04:58,890 --> 00:04:59,447 pretty much... 126 00:05:00,163 --> 00:05:02,789 Just like I said, the the common thread 127 00:05:02,789 --> 00:05:05,676 is is fly fishing, and it's not necessarily 128 00:05:05,733 --> 00:05:07,188 consume my life, but it's 129 00:05:07,660 --> 00:05:09,660 Well, I get... I take that back. Maybe 130 00:05:09,660 --> 00:05:10,779 it has consumed my life. 131 00:05:12,779 --> 00:05:14,860 You're not the only 1. It's a very 132 00:05:14,860 --> 00:05:15,899 important part of my life. 133 00:05:17,033 --> 00:05:18,947 Brian, you were you grew up, of course, 134 00:05:19,186 --> 00:05:21,978 doing this stuff, doing the outdoor thing, fly 135 00:05:21,978 --> 00:05:22,478 fishing 136 00:05:23,733 --> 00:05:25,987 as a number 1, but you were also 137 00:05:26,539 --> 00:05:26,698 you know, 138 00:05:27,574 --> 00:05:29,962 a recognized athlete growing up, and you were 139 00:05:29,962 --> 00:05:32,190 a tennis player. You went to college playing 140 00:05:32,190 --> 00:05:33,862 tennis. You've been a tennis coach. 141 00:05:34,912 --> 00:05:37,618 As well as a fly fishing mentor and 142 00:05:37,618 --> 00:05:37,857 coach. 143 00:05:38,732 --> 00:05:41,359 Talk to us about that parallel if you 144 00:05:41,359 --> 00:05:44,167 will. Is there a similarity when you're 145 00:05:45,274 --> 00:05:48,059 beginning a fly fishing or an an club 146 00:05:48,059 --> 00:05:50,128 in a high school like Myers Park like 147 00:05:50,128 --> 00:05:50,526 you did. 148 00:05:51,893 --> 00:05:54,061 What about your background as an athlete 149 00:05:54,752 --> 00:05:57,610 and your background as a coach when you 150 00:05:57,610 --> 00:05:59,357 are starting a new club? 151 00:05:59,928 --> 00:06:02,068 Like the fly fishing club or the an 152 00:06:02,068 --> 00:06:02,782 club if you will. 153 00:06:03,733 --> 00:06:05,343 Well, the it's 154 00:06:05,794 --> 00:06:07,325 the biggest part of 155 00:06:08,269 --> 00:06:10,731 starting the club, the organization like the Anger 156 00:06:10,810 --> 00:06:11,843 Club that I have 157 00:06:12,399 --> 00:06:14,623 Myers Park High school was is just the 158 00:06:14,623 --> 00:06:16,712 leadership and being able to establish 159 00:06:18,925 --> 00:06:20,694 basically you end up being 160 00:06:21,701 --> 00:06:24,104 the supervisor, the super superintendent 161 00:06:24,793 --> 00:06:25,944 that that 162 00:06:26,323 --> 00:06:28,480 organization, and you wanna make sure that you're 163 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,877 guiding these young people. I have to correct 164 00:06:30,877 --> 00:06:31,596 you, Bill, 165 00:06:32,728 --> 00:06:34,877 I I coach tenants in in high school 166 00:06:34,877 --> 00:06:36,628 way back in the day when I was 167 00:06:36,628 --> 00:06:39,016 at independent high school, a long time ago, 168 00:06:39,095 --> 00:06:40,130 but I swam and college. 169 00:06:41,263 --> 00:06:43,741 Yeah. And they're... That's the funny story, and 170 00:06:43,741 --> 00:06:45,339 and I'll I'll hit on this just really, 171 00:06:45,499 --> 00:06:47,038 really quick. It 172 00:06:48,456 --> 00:06:49,495 growing up in Boone. 173 00:06:50,621 --> 00:06:53,079 At at the age of 8 9 right 174 00:06:53,079 --> 00:06:56,354 in that that that 8 9 year old 175 00:06:56,488 --> 00:06:57,122 time frame. 176 00:06:57,934 --> 00:06:59,952 I'll never forget it. I I started 177 00:07:00,331 --> 00:07:01,870 competitive swimming. And 178 00:07:02,249 --> 00:07:04,966 when my mom felt as though that she 179 00:07:04,966 --> 00:07:06,165 could kinda cut me loose, 180 00:07:07,296 --> 00:07:09,684 Right. Then she would drive me to, like 181 00:07:09,843 --> 00:07:12,151 Wink Creek or Howard Creek. And I I 182 00:07:12,151 --> 00:07:14,459 was I was on the river by myself 183 00:07:14,459 --> 00:07:15,813 at the age of 09:10. 184 00:07:16,944 --> 00:07:19,264 For 5 and a half hours pop. That 185 00:07:19,264 --> 00:07:22,544 that... Those were amazing days, but it it 186 00:07:22,544 --> 00:07:25,673 was my ability to to swim that got 187 00:07:25,673 --> 00:07:28,219 me an opportunity in college, but it was 188 00:07:28,219 --> 00:07:30,844 also... It got me my opportunity to be 189 00:07:30,844 --> 00:07:31,719 alone in the woods. 190 00:07:32,673 --> 00:07:32,992 I guess, 191 00:07:33,805 --> 00:07:35,564 at the age of 09:10, 192 00:07:36,444 --> 00:07:38,204 and and Boone we'll be back in the 193 00:07:38,204 --> 00:07:38,365 day. 194 00:07:39,324 --> 00:07:41,245 How forward doing the math correctly? That would 195 00:07:41,245 --> 00:07:41,904 have been 196 00:07:42,618 --> 00:07:43,653 79 80. 197 00:07:44,608 --> 00:07:44,926 Wow. 198 00:07:45,483 --> 00:07:47,393 Brian, how important was that. I mean, 199 00:07:48,507 --> 00:07:52,093 that allowance of Freedom, if you will to 200 00:07:52,093 --> 00:07:52,593 to 201 00:07:52,965 --> 00:07:53,465 explore 202 00:07:53,916 --> 00:07:54,074 adventure, 203 00:07:54,787 --> 00:07:56,451 Creek walk, but also, 204 00:07:57,338 --> 00:08:00,195 trick a fish into taking your lure, 205 00:08:01,148 --> 00:08:03,132 all on your own? How important that was 206 00:08:03,132 --> 00:08:04,694 that as you as 207 00:08:05,134 --> 00:08:08,347 you developed as a child and then into 208 00:08:08,406 --> 00:08:09,284 young adulthood, 209 00:08:09,843 --> 00:08:12,636 how how important was that? Oh, it it 210 00:08:12,636 --> 00:08:15,122 it was... Absolutely everything. So I was self 211 00:08:15,122 --> 00:08:17,295 thought. And I remember 212 00:08:17,990 --> 00:08:20,435 being at Price park, and I remember why 213 00:08:20,474 --> 00:08:20,974 watching, 214 00:08:21,512 --> 00:08:22,869 an older gentleman catch, 215 00:08:23,987 --> 00:08:26,962 a native brook. And I'll never forget just 216 00:08:27,021 --> 00:08:29,735 how incredibly gorgeous that dish was. 217 00:08:30,386 --> 00:08:32,607 And I remember going home because my dad 218 00:08:32,607 --> 00:08:33,558 had won a, 219 00:08:34,589 --> 00:08:35,406 a shakespeare 220 00:08:35,779 --> 00:08:37,523 fly rod combo set. 221 00:08:38,254 --> 00:08:40,031 At the the local b 222 00:08:40,409 --> 00:08:41,048 as a 223 00:08:41,846 --> 00:08:43,043 like a system. 224 00:08:43,762 --> 00:08:45,278 I I don't know. It was just a 225 00:08:45,278 --> 00:08:46,635 gift that he had won, like a door 226 00:08:46,635 --> 00:08:47,090 prod 227 00:08:47,447 --> 00:08:49,038 and it had been sitting in the basement 228 00:08:49,038 --> 00:08:49,516 forever. 229 00:08:49,914 --> 00:08:52,220 And finally, I was like, after I saw 230 00:08:52,220 --> 00:08:55,641 that gentleman catch that fish, catch that brook. 231 00:08:56,374 --> 00:08:58,769 I went home and started trying to figure 232 00:08:58,769 --> 00:09:01,084 out how to cast like he was casting. 233 00:09:01,403 --> 00:09:03,798 And it just became an obsession, and it... 234 00:09:04,038 --> 00:09:06,610 And I had enough steps and enough takes 235 00:09:06,610 --> 00:09:08,930 and enough look at the flies that I 236 00:09:08,930 --> 00:09:11,670 was posing for probably, I guess the next 237 00:09:12,210 --> 00:09:13,625 4 or 5 years 238 00:09:13,985 --> 00:09:15,825 of t and up and down all the 239 00:09:15,825 --> 00:09:16,325 different 240 00:09:17,664 --> 00:09:18,144 in Boone, 241 00:09:18,784 --> 00:09:21,264 which will remain nameless because I don't want 242 00:09:21,264 --> 00:09:23,399 anybody going back to my spot on my 243 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:24,796 home turf. But 244 00:09:25,514 --> 00:09:28,866 yeah, it it it created this it it 245 00:09:28,866 --> 00:09:32,394 this boiling in me to to to just 246 00:09:32,394 --> 00:09:35,350 figure things out. And I, you know, I 247 00:09:35,350 --> 00:09:36,789 was a little bit of a loner, but 248 00:09:38,307 --> 00:09:40,645 that that was good for me because I 249 00:09:41,198 --> 00:09:43,990 really learned a lot about myself early on 250 00:09:43,990 --> 00:09:46,144 and what it took to kind of stay 251 00:09:46,144 --> 00:09:47,955 in the game of fly fishing because it's 252 00:09:48,311 --> 00:09:49,975 it's not like a walk in the park 253 00:09:49,975 --> 00:09:51,876 if you don't have any instruction. Brian. And 254 00:09:51,956 --> 00:09:53,540 I'll talk to you all day here on 255 00:09:53,540 --> 00:09:54,729 the Carolina outdoors. 256 00:09:55,618 --> 00:09:57,771 Because it's you're like the most interesting, 257 00:09:58,887 --> 00:09:59,866 man in the world 258 00:10:00,243 --> 00:10:02,157 as we speak. But I have to stay 259 00:10:02,157 --> 00:10:04,071 on task. Tj j. You're supposed to keep 260 00:10:04,071 --> 00:10:05,362 me on task over there. 261 00:10:06,958 --> 00:10:09,591 Because as interesting as you are, Brian, let's 262 00:10:09,591 --> 00:10:11,346 go back to the an club at the 263 00:10:11,346 --> 00:10:11,825 high school, 264 00:10:12,638 --> 00:10:15,531 because it was through that that you were 265 00:10:15,988 --> 00:10:18,402 inspired if you will to help develop 266 00:10:18,859 --> 00:10:20,056 a character, Maya, 267 00:10:20,534 --> 00:10:21,752 who is the 268 00:10:22,223 --> 00:10:22,723 the 269 00:10:24,206 --> 00:10:27,459 lead character in the book? She talks to 270 00:10:27,459 --> 00:10:30,259 fish. Can you talk to, us about your 271 00:10:30,489 --> 00:10:31,547 your expansion 272 00:10:32,004 --> 00:10:34,635 of your students in the An england club, 273 00:10:35,272 --> 00:10:37,345 and I think the way it starts is 274 00:10:37,345 --> 00:10:39,432 you had a a bunch of guys. Who 275 00:10:39,432 --> 00:10:41,339 were signing up who wanted to be in 276 00:10:41,339 --> 00:10:42,293 the an club. 277 00:10:43,485 --> 00:10:45,177 And and not so many 278 00:10:45,710 --> 00:10:46,027 girls. 279 00:10:46,837 --> 00:10:47,553 And so that... 280 00:10:48,746 --> 00:10:50,337 You know, we have been through. We get 281 00:10:50,337 --> 00:10:52,803 these reports coming in to the Carolina outdoors. 282 00:10:53,934 --> 00:10:56,990 About who is fishing. And fortunately, 283 00:10:58,008 --> 00:11:00,266 there is growth in females 284 00:11:01,057 --> 00:11:04,005 fly fishing and fishing in general. There's, growth 285 00:11:04,005 --> 00:11:06,076 in persons of color. There's growth in the 286 00:11:06,315 --> 00:11:09,205 Hispanic community. There's growth in all these communities 287 00:11:09,205 --> 00:11:10,985 as people come on board 288 00:11:12,004 --> 00:11:13,524 into the sport of fishing. 289 00:11:14,565 --> 00:11:16,884 Brian tell us what you saw as you 290 00:11:16,884 --> 00:11:20,393 started that club and how that evolved into 291 00:11:20,393 --> 00:11:22,638 recruiting new students into the club 292 00:11:23,169 --> 00:11:25,255 who who, you know, looked 293 00:11:25,564 --> 00:11:28,355 maybe we're culturally different all these differences that 294 00:11:28,355 --> 00:11:30,828 you brought into club and how that transitioned 295 00:11:30,828 --> 00:11:31,546 into you, 296 00:11:32,742 --> 00:11:34,736 7 and a half years, 8 years later, 297 00:11:35,469 --> 00:11:37,610 having this book and where the book stands 298 00:11:37,610 --> 00:11:37,848 now? 299 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:39,752 Right on. Well, 300 00:11:40,783 --> 00:11:41,259 it was... 301 00:11:41,973 --> 00:11:43,896 I've been at Myers park for the last 302 00:11:43,896 --> 00:11:45,828 10 years, and that's when I initiated 303 00:11:47,396 --> 00:11:49,407 the the club and 304 00:11:49,718 --> 00:11:52,022 from that, that that was the springboard, and 305 00:11:52,101 --> 00:11:53,373 I said that, you know, I I wanna 306 00:11:53,373 --> 00:11:55,836 do this, and I the the only students 307 00:11:55,836 --> 00:11:56,551 that signed up. 308 00:11:57,284 --> 00:11:57,784 Were 309 00:11:59,845 --> 00:12:01,284 very young white guys. 310 00:12:02,164 --> 00:12:03,384 White men and 311 00:12:05,857 --> 00:12:08,172 after that, it was probably about 2, 3 312 00:12:08,172 --> 00:12:09,630 years into my charge 313 00:12:10,168 --> 00:12:12,323 where I was like, you know what this 314 00:12:12,323 --> 00:12:14,754 has always been a thing with me even 315 00:12:14,811 --> 00:12:16,961 growing up and fly fishing because I always 316 00:12:16,961 --> 00:12:19,349 thought this is for everyone. Everybody needs to 317 00:12:19,349 --> 00:12:22,509 experience this. So I my charge then became 318 00:12:22,708 --> 00:12:25,332 getting a lot more young women involved. And 319 00:12:25,332 --> 00:12:26,446 then from that, 320 00:12:27,002 --> 00:12:27,900 my my 321 00:12:28,275 --> 00:12:31,217 my diehard focus was young women of color. 322 00:12:32,743 --> 00:12:33,243 And 323 00:12:33,777 --> 00:12:36,402 I thought about this for a long time 324 00:12:36,402 --> 00:12:37,697 that it 325 00:12:38,391 --> 00:12:39,266 if you can... 326 00:12:39,916 --> 00:12:41,130 Get young women 327 00:12:41,662 --> 00:12:43,566 to get a fly rod and get things 328 00:12:43,566 --> 00:12:46,343 going and they absolutely develop that hunger, 329 00:12:47,314 --> 00:12:49,312 that, you know, you can't live without this 330 00:12:49,312 --> 00:12:52,029 slot fishing thing, then then they get to 331 00:12:52,029 --> 00:12:55,146 pass it forward. And and young women have 332 00:12:55,146 --> 00:12:55,305 a, 333 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:57,418 are really 334 00:12:59,395 --> 00:13:00,913 I... I'm looking for the words right now. 335 00:13:01,073 --> 00:13:03,070 If they have a an ability. 336 00:13:04,041 --> 00:13:07,467 To talk within other young women and more 337 00:13:07,467 --> 00:13:10,597 so once you have young women of color 338 00:13:11,547 --> 00:13:13,963 talking with other young women of color, and 339 00:13:14,341 --> 00:13:16,656 people can say, oh, like, this is doable. 340 00:13:17,055 --> 00:13:19,051 This is the thing that I can go 341 00:13:19,051 --> 00:13:21,212 do then then all of a sudden, 342 00:13:22,006 --> 00:13:25,682 the reform starts, there's a landscape change. And 343 00:13:26,135 --> 00:13:27,405 this... The the book, 344 00:13:27,897 --> 00:13:29,884 the the premise of the book by is 345 00:13:29,884 --> 00:13:32,666 a, you know, young African American female that 346 00:13:32,666 --> 00:13:34,891 grows up in Boone and unconventional, 347 00:13:35,623 --> 00:13:38,257 discover slot fishing, and it becomes her obsession, 348 00:13:38,576 --> 00:13:41,050 and it takes her through... I mean, there 349 00:13:41,050 --> 00:13:44,600 it's a walk through all gamut some of 350 00:13:44,899 --> 00:13:45,720 her life 351 00:13:46,100 --> 00:13:48,040 and the struggles that she endure 352 00:13:48,420 --> 00:13:51,000 because, you know, slot fishing is a 353 00:13:51,940 --> 00:13:54,262 it's it's like I said before, it's not 354 00:13:54,262 --> 00:13:55,795 a walk in the park. If you don't 355 00:13:55,851 --> 00:13:58,417 have someone kind of help expose you 356 00:13:59,744 --> 00:14:02,062 and give you instruction. There's a lot of 357 00:14:02,062 --> 00:14:03,332 stuff that you have to figure out on 358 00:14:03,332 --> 00:14:05,475 your own, and she she figures out a 359 00:14:05,475 --> 00:14:07,142 lot of stuff on her own, and then 360 00:14:07,142 --> 00:14:08,705 she runs into a lot of 361 00:14:09,542 --> 00:14:12,116 barriers and and she defied stereotypes 362 00:14:12,493 --> 00:14:16,104 and and it it's about empowerment and encouragement 363 00:14:16,322 --> 00:14:19,288 in being in that space. You belong you 364 00:14:19,288 --> 00:14:20,563 should be in that space. 365 00:14:21,361 --> 00:14:23,195 Now you might look a lot different and 366 00:14:23,195 --> 00:14:25,109 there might be a lot more melanin than 367 00:14:25,109 --> 00:14:27,501 your skin, but that doesn't matter. It's never 368 00:14:27,501 --> 00:14:28,654 mattered. So 369 00:14:29,035 --> 00:14:31,115 why not... Let's let's talk about this out 370 00:14:31,115 --> 00:14:33,195 loud, and let's get something done about it. 371 00:14:33,995 --> 00:14:36,235 The voice you hear there, Brian He long 372 00:14:36,235 --> 00:14:36,475 time. 373 00:14:37,289 --> 00:14:39,946 Educator in the Cms system as well as 374 00:14:40,245 --> 00:14:42,082 artist, sculpt, and inventor, 375 00:14:42,961 --> 00:14:43,941 and author 376 00:14:44,731 --> 00:14:46,714 She talks to fish is the book. Brian, 377 00:14:47,032 --> 00:14:48,936 where do we stand with this book? It's 378 00:14:48,936 --> 00:14:51,078 not out yet. We're just getting an update 379 00:14:51,078 --> 00:14:52,720 from you so we can have a little 380 00:14:52,838 --> 00:14:54,186 a culture here on the program, 381 00:14:55,771 --> 00:14:59,045 what station of development is the book in 382 00:14:59,179 --> 00:15:00,860 right now? The It... 383 00:15:02,051 --> 00:15:03,718 I'm I'm glad. Asked. Because, 384 00:15:04,750 --> 00:15:05,544 2 days ago, 385 00:15:06,180 --> 00:15:08,483 my c author and I Barbara Beam, who 386 00:15:08,483 --> 00:15:09,118 is my cousin. 387 00:15:10,404 --> 00:15:13,209 We hit we hit send to the 388 00:15:14,140 --> 00:15:14,640 final 389 00:15:15,332 --> 00:15:15,832 continuity 390 00:15:16,365 --> 00:15:16,762 editor. 391 00:15:17,413 --> 00:15:17,913 And 392 00:15:18,845 --> 00:15:22,050 I'm I'm absolutely. That was the most massive 393 00:15:22,345 --> 00:15:23,879 xl that I have ever 394 00:15:24,985 --> 00:15:27,053 let out after 7 and a half years 395 00:15:27,053 --> 00:15:30,097 of the trial and tribulation, all the research 396 00:15:30,870 --> 00:15:33,506 and building a fiction novel but this fiction 397 00:15:33,506 --> 00:15:35,273 novel, I will say is 398 00:15:35,803 --> 00:15:36,541 it it's 399 00:15:36,913 --> 00:15:37,705 darn near real. 400 00:15:38,339 --> 00:15:38,839 And 401 00:15:40,019 --> 00:15:42,034 and it's believable and 402 00:15:42,411 --> 00:15:44,404 it's right and the climate is right, the 403 00:15:44,404 --> 00:15:45,781 timing is right. And 404 00:15:46,397 --> 00:15:47,535 once we hear back 405 00:15:47,912 --> 00:15:49,437 in about 2 weeks, 406 00:15:50,784 --> 00:15:53,662 then we'll be checking off on that continuity 407 00:15:53,796 --> 00:15:55,539 edit it, making sure that everything is lined 408 00:15:55,539 --> 00:15:55,698 up. 409 00:15:56,828 --> 00:15:57,328 To 410 00:15:57,706 --> 00:15:59,483 little edd bitty formatting 411 00:15:59,940 --> 00:16:02,015 tweaks. Yes. That will be doing. And then, 412 00:16:02,574 --> 00:16:05,141 pre sales will actually start at the top 413 00:16:05,141 --> 00:16:08,326 of September right around Labor day, go for 414 00:16:08,326 --> 00:16:10,317 about 2 and half weeks, 3 weeks. And 415 00:16:10,317 --> 00:16:12,919 then we are wide open with our launch 416 00:16:13,118 --> 00:16:15,765 on October the fourth, which will be at 417 00:16:16,060 --> 00:16:16,560 Am, 418 00:16:16,935 --> 00:16:19,559 which is Appalachian Mountain Brewery in Boone from 419 00:16:19,559 --> 00:16:21,013 4 to 6. And then 420 00:16:22,042 --> 00:16:22,542 on 421 00:16:23,158 --> 00:16:26,529 October the fifth will be at legion brewery 422 00:16:28,422 --> 00:16:30,837 from 10 to 12 and then 423 00:16:31,230 --> 00:16:34,610 angry that afternoon for the app state away 424 00:16:35,070 --> 00:16:37,250 football game against Marshall. And then 425 00:16:37,710 --> 00:16:39,629 on Sunday will be in Shelby where both 426 00:16:39,629 --> 00:16:40,529 of our families 427 00:16:40,923 --> 00:16:41,401 will be. 428 00:16:42,358 --> 00:16:44,111 Got I have so many questions about this. 429 00:16:44,350 --> 00:16:45,944 And and first, when you just hit it 430 00:16:45,944 --> 00:16:47,617 right there. It sounds like all of this 431 00:16:47,617 --> 00:16:48,277 is coming 432 00:16:48,748 --> 00:16:50,503 to fruition in the fall. 433 00:16:51,221 --> 00:16:52,976 Yeah. We did not mention this, Of course, 434 00:16:53,215 --> 00:16:55,049 a native of Boone North Carolina. It's not 435 00:16:55,049 --> 00:16:57,863 hard to figure out. Appalachian State University, 436 00:16:58,574 --> 00:17:01,843 that work gold runs through the bloodstream of 437 00:17:02,003 --> 00:17:04,098 Brian He, our guest here on the Carolina 438 00:17:04,315 --> 00:17:07,447 outdoors. Does this book get in the way 439 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:10,480 of Apple appalachian State football for Brian He? 440 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,200 No. Not at all. But I will tell 441 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,240 you it's actually... It it it again, it's 442 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:16,934 a it's a 443 00:17:17,533 --> 00:17:18,512 assigned parallel. 444 00:17:18,969 --> 00:17:19,767 So when I'm in, 445 00:17:20,724 --> 00:17:23,357 there there are opportunities that I'm looking for 446 00:17:23,357 --> 00:17:25,363 right now to to to be able to 447 00:17:25,363 --> 00:17:26,634 go back to my old stop and grounds. 448 00:17:26,793 --> 00:17:27,985 We'll talk to high school to be able 449 00:17:27,985 --> 00:17:28,882 to do a read 450 00:17:30,051 --> 00:17:30,551 and 451 00:17:31,084 --> 00:17:31,775 sell some books 452 00:17:32,690 --> 00:17:33,429 And then 453 00:17:35,398 --> 00:17:38,425 as we as things start to materialize, hopefully 454 00:17:38,425 --> 00:17:39,779 we'll be able to be on campus at 455 00:17:39,858 --> 00:17:40,677 App state 456 00:17:41,627 --> 00:17:43,381 to do some readings, maybe talk to some 457 00:17:43,381 --> 00:17:43,780 classes. 458 00:17:45,215 --> 00:17:48,006 And then once we actually move in through 459 00:17:48,325 --> 00:17:50,000 October and into November, 460 00:17:50,653 --> 00:17:53,144 November the 20 first, I will be 461 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:54,180 where. 462 00:17:54,716 --> 00:17:57,559 Oh, yeah. Our sponsor. That's Jesse Browns. That's 463 00:17:57,837 --> 00:17:59,265 I hang my hat through the week. Brian, 464 00:17:59,502 --> 00:18:01,271 we're gonna get you to do a author 465 00:18:01,326 --> 00:18:02,992 statement. We're gonna get you to do a 466 00:18:02,992 --> 00:18:04,498 reading. We're gonna get you to do a 467 00:18:04,498 --> 00:18:05,054 book signing. 468 00:18:05,703 --> 00:18:08,170 Over at Jesse Brown's on that November 20 469 00:18:08,170 --> 00:18:08,488 first, 470 00:18:09,363 --> 00:18:12,466 so it's exciting. And Brian, we're gonna have 471 00:18:12,466 --> 00:18:14,978 to talk about this more 472 00:18:15,757 --> 00:18:18,234 as those dates that you just mentioned, 473 00:18:18,633 --> 00:18:20,711 approach. But before you leave us on this 474 00:18:20,711 --> 00:18:23,042 1 as we run short on time, Tj 475 00:18:23,042 --> 00:18:25,673 bow over their flashing is his looks like 476 00:18:25,673 --> 00:18:27,507 gang signs, but it means that I'm coming 477 00:18:27,507 --> 00:18:28,783 up on the... It is, 478 00:18:29,580 --> 00:18:32,148 Brian. You mentioned this. You have a c 479 00:18:32,148 --> 00:18:33,507 author, Barbara Brain. 480 00:18:34,306 --> 00:18:36,703 Bing. Barbara Barbara Brain Barbara Bain. 481 00:18:37,901 --> 00:18:40,230 Is your c author. This has been an 482 00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:40,708 8 year, 483 00:18:42,221 --> 00:18:44,929 you know, passion of yours, Your character, your 484 00:18:44,929 --> 00:18:47,876 development, you've taught in schools you've dealt with 485 00:18:47,876 --> 00:18:49,503 alt... Types of people 486 00:18:49,875 --> 00:18:51,566 of all shapes and sizes, 487 00:18:52,097 --> 00:18:54,557 and skin tones and cultures, you Mh. 488 00:18:55,763 --> 00:18:58,385 How hard is it to share when you 489 00:18:58,385 --> 00:19:00,848 bring in a c author for help, is 490 00:19:00,848 --> 00:19:01,348 that 491 00:19:01,881 --> 00:19:02,381 difficult 492 00:19:03,088 --> 00:19:05,872 to make sure that they see your development, 493 00:19:06,111 --> 00:19:08,259 the way you see your development? 494 00:19:09,293 --> 00:19:09,611 We 495 00:19:10,104 --> 00:19:12,022 we had a really, really special scenario. 496 00:19:12,742 --> 00:19:14,979 First of all, my my cousin, my c 497 00:19:14,979 --> 00:19:15,858 author, Barbara, 498 00:19:17,776 --> 00:19:19,215 she's a she's a published author. 499 00:19:20,185 --> 00:19:22,256 She actually graduated for Apple appalachian state as 500 00:19:22,256 --> 00:19:24,167 well, English degree. And 501 00:19:24,644 --> 00:19:26,794 she's a music writer. She's a play right. 502 00:19:27,352 --> 00:19:30,334 And we... This all started bill with the 503 00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:33,416 the the actual script to the movie. I 504 00:19:33,416 --> 00:19:35,644 wrote the story, she took the story and 505 00:19:35,644 --> 00:19:37,396 put it in the script for the movie. 506 00:19:38,687 --> 00:19:41,799 And basically, as the as everything started to 507 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:44,295 materialize with getting script in front of 508 00:19:46,284 --> 00:19:48,915 different production companies as well as entertainment companies, 509 00:19:50,111 --> 00:19:50,590 studios, 510 00:19:52,503 --> 00:19:55,970 then it became apparent that we needed to 511 00:19:56,269 --> 00:19:56,769 build 512 00:19:57,070 --> 00:19:58,589 the finish building the book. 513 00:19:59,150 --> 00:20:02,769 So basically, in a nutshell, Barbara ended up 514 00:20:03,402 --> 00:20:05,735 she built the... Help build the foundation 515 00:20:06,111 --> 00:20:07,943 outside of this movie script as well as 516 00:20:07,943 --> 00:20:10,732 the story. Basically, the tree put limbs on 517 00:20:10,732 --> 00:20:12,900 the trees, and then I was able come 518 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:14,279 in and put 519 00:20:14,580 --> 00:20:16,119 the leaves on the tree 520 00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:19,140 and and the ornaments on the tree. Do 521 00:20:19,140 --> 00:20:20,500 you know what? You sound like an artist. 522 00:20:21,629 --> 00:20:22,924 A little bit. If 523 00:20:23,299 --> 00:20:26,265 fantastic. We look forward to meeting Maya 524 00:20:26,879 --> 00:20:29,360 and the book she talks to fish. You 525 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:31,190 can go to she talks to fish dot 526 00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:34,372 com to learn more to subscribe to help 527 00:20:34,372 --> 00:20:36,202 get maya story to the world. 528 00:20:36,934 --> 00:20:37,651 Brian He. 529 00:20:38,130 --> 00:20:39,804 It's always great to talk to you here 530 00:20:39,804 --> 00:20:41,000 on the Caroline outdoors. 531 00:20:41,956 --> 00:20:44,587 Bill, I am beyond appreciative. Thank you so 532 00:20:44,587 --> 00:20:45,979 very much. And 533 00:20:46,358 --> 00:20:46,598 again, 534 00:20:47,557 --> 00:20:50,593 get out there, subscribe on the website. And 535 00:20:50,593 --> 00:20:53,310 then I will be letting everybody know when 536 00:20:53,310 --> 00:20:54,005 this drops, 537 00:20:55,321 --> 00:20:55,821 basically, 538 00:20:56,439 --> 00:20:58,354 right around Labor day, and then it's on 539 00:20:58,354 --> 00:21:01,068 like gang busters. Oh like Donkey khan, Brian 540 00:21:01,148 --> 00:21:03,551 He. Thanks for jumping on. Off he goes 541 00:21:03,551 --> 00:21:05,058 and off I go, but don't worry I'm 542 00:21:05,058 --> 00:21:06,803 gonna be back on the other side, you're 543 00:21:06,803 --> 00:21:08,785 listening to the Carolina outdoors.