1 00:00:14,948 --> 00:00:17,015 Welcome to the Can med coffee talk podcast. 2 00:00:17,269 --> 00:00:19,262 Test. Will we talk with the leading minds 3 00:00:19,262 --> 00:00:21,096 in cannabis science, medicine, 4 00:00:21,813 --> 00:00:23,328 cultivation, and safety testing. 5 00:00:23,886 --> 00:00:25,894 I am your host, Ben Ama, S I 6 00:00:25,894 --> 00:00:28,919 am the marketing manager at Medicinal Genomics, and 7 00:00:28,919 --> 00:00:30,193 proud member of the team that puts on 8 00:00:30,193 --> 00:00:31,228 the Can med conference. 9 00:00:32,821 --> 00:00:34,987 Alright. Well, I don't have my for updates 10 00:00:34,987 --> 00:00:37,621 this episode other than to tell you that 11 00:00:37,621 --> 00:00:40,334 our team is working hard on finalizing the 12 00:00:40,334 --> 00:00:43,382 details for Cam 25. But We still have 13 00:00:43,382 --> 00:00:46,095 some eyes to dot and tease to cross 14 00:00:46,095 --> 00:00:48,808 before we can make our public announcement, but 15 00:00:48,808 --> 00:00:51,933 let's just say Keep your schedule clear for 16 00:00:51,933 --> 00:00:52,571 mid June. 17 00:00:53,847 --> 00:00:56,899 We're also aiming to add our Cam 24 18 00:00:57,196 --> 00:00:59,841 presentations to the Cam Archive, by the end 19 00:00:59,841 --> 00:01:01,990 of the month. We apologize for the delay 20 00:01:01,990 --> 00:01:02,388 on that. 21 00:01:03,423 --> 00:01:05,652 But we still have 5 years worth of 22 00:01:05,731 --> 00:01:08,438 Can med content in the archive now, so 23 00:01:08,438 --> 00:01:10,464 feel free to check out those videos 24 00:01:10,918 --> 00:01:13,302 and all the past episodes of the K 25 00:01:13,302 --> 00:01:14,597 med coffee talk podcast 26 00:01:15,051 --> 00:01:16,482 at k events dot com. 27 00:01:17,054 --> 00:01:18,966 And while you're there, make sure to sign 28 00:01:18,966 --> 00:01:21,276 up for email alerts, so you don't miss 29 00:01:21,276 --> 00:01:22,153 any announcements. 30 00:01:24,543 --> 00:01:26,455 My guest today is David Aaron. 31 00:01:27,347 --> 00:01:30,478 David is a cannabis educator who since 20 32 00:01:30,536 --> 00:01:34,384 18 has directly educated more than 5000 health 33 00:01:34,601 --> 00:01:34,920 professionals. 34 00:01:35,495 --> 00:01:35,995 Nationwide 35 00:01:36,375 --> 00:01:37,194 on the medical 36 00:01:37,655 --> 00:01:38,615 applications of cannabis. 37 00:01:39,655 --> 00:01:41,755 He is on the faculty for Pe, 38 00:01:42,949 --> 00:01:46,007 1 of the nation's largest providers of professional 39 00:01:46,066 --> 00:01:46,566 continuing 40 00:01:46,945 --> 00:01:50,461 education, and he independently provides seminars for health 41 00:01:50,461 --> 00:01:51,820 professionals around the country. 42 00:01:53,191 --> 00:01:55,744 I learned during our conversation that David also 43 00:01:55,744 --> 00:01:58,775 has post treatment lyme disease, which is a 44 00:01:58,775 --> 00:02:02,537 condition that causes fatigue, neuro pain, brain fog, 45 00:02:02,934 --> 00:02:03,434 forgetful 46 00:02:03,887 --> 00:02:06,508 and other chronic symptoms that he treats with 47 00:02:06,508 --> 00:02:06,905 cannabis. 48 00:02:07,779 --> 00:02:10,241 His experience made him curious whether others have 49 00:02:10,241 --> 00:02:13,196 found success using cannabis to treat persistent lime. 50 00:02:13,912 --> 00:02:17,093 And has shared his findings at Cam 24 51 00:02:17,093 --> 00:02:17,911 as a poster 52 00:02:18,286 --> 00:02:20,869 presentation and also with me to in the 53 00:02:20,926 --> 00:02:21,883 conversation you're about to hear. 54 00:02:23,078 --> 00:02:25,548 We covered what is lyme disease and how 55 00:02:25,548 --> 00:02:28,735 does 1 acquire it? The different stages of 56 00:02:28,735 --> 00:02:29,713 lyme disease 57 00:02:30,264 --> 00:02:33,293 treatments that are available to treat chronic lime, 58 00:02:34,250 --> 00:02:36,823 how David collected data for the study 59 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,849 and which types of product 60 00:02:39,209 --> 00:02:41,846 are effective for chronic lyme symptoms. 61 00:02:43,045 --> 00:02:45,042 Before we get to my conversation with David, 62 00:02:45,282 --> 00:02:47,460 I'd like to thank this episode sponsor 63 00:02:48,013 --> 00:02:49,070 Mckinney, Rsa. 64 00:02:50,403 --> 00:02:52,655 Mckinney Rsa is made up of regulatory 65 00:02:53,032 --> 00:02:56,139 science veterans who apply lessons learned in the 66 00:02:56,139 --> 00:02:56,856 nicotine space, 67 00:02:57,429 --> 00:03:01,282 to help cannabis manufacturers better understand the toxic 68 00:03:02,059 --> 00:03:02,958 and societal 69 00:03:03,815 --> 00:03:05,172 implications of their product. 70 00:03:06,544 --> 00:03:08,937 They do that by identifying base compounds, 71 00:03:09,415 --> 00:03:11,090 extracts, flavors, tu, 72 00:03:11,968 --> 00:03:15,318 understanding how they interact and ensuring effectiveness for 73 00:03:15,318 --> 00:03:16,195 the intended use. 74 00:03:16,928 --> 00:03:18,464 They also provide dosing 75 00:03:18,921 --> 00:03:22,212 recommendations and establish guidelines for product consistency. 76 00:03:22,909 --> 00:03:25,402 You can learn more at Mc mckinney Rsa. 77 00:03:26,034 --> 00:03:26,514 Dot com. 78 00:03:28,191 --> 00:03:31,147 Okay. And without any further ado, please enjoy 79 00:03:31,147 --> 00:03:33,360 my conversation with david aaron 80 00:03:46,556 --> 00:03:48,949 Good afternoon, David. Thanks so much for joining 81 00:03:48,949 --> 00:03:49,826 you on the podcast. 82 00:03:50,479 --> 00:03:51,831 Thanks for having me. Glad to be hear. 83 00:03:52,705 --> 00:03:54,455 Alright. Well, I'm excited to talk with you 84 00:03:54,455 --> 00:03:58,454 today about using cannabis to potentially treat persistent 85 00:03:58,510 --> 00:04:00,180 and post treatment lyme disease. 86 00:04:00,914 --> 00:04:01,414 And 87 00:04:01,793 --> 00:04:04,349 this is a timely topic for me because 88 00:04:04,509 --> 00:04:06,347 I actually found a deer tick on my 89 00:04:06,347 --> 00:04:07,625 torso a few weeks back. 90 00:04:08,279 --> 00:04:10,776 Thankfully, I called it early and took a 91 00:04:11,235 --> 00:04:13,951 dose of antibiotics. So I'm hopeful that I 92 00:04:13,951 --> 00:04:16,520 prevented an infection, but I we can get 93 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:17,238 into that a bit. 94 00:04:17,956 --> 00:04:18,775 But nevertheless, 95 00:04:19,232 --> 00:04:20,987 lyme disease has at least been on my 96 00:04:20,987 --> 00:04:21,705 mind recently. 97 00:04:22,103 --> 00:04:22,423 So, 98 00:04:22,981 --> 00:04:24,656 I'm happy that I've had a chance to 99 00:04:24,656 --> 00:04:26,103 to talk with you about it here today. 100 00:04:26,421 --> 00:04:28,648 And about whether cannabis can be used to 101 00:04:28,648 --> 00:04:31,987 treat long term cases. But before we get 102 00:04:31,987 --> 00:04:33,418 into all that, I think it would be 103 00:04:33,418 --> 00:04:36,450 helpful to establish you the basics of what 104 00:04:36,450 --> 00:04:38,219 lyme disease is. So 105 00:04:38,591 --> 00:04:39,939 could you could you do that for us? 106 00:04:40,098 --> 00:04:43,469 We're absolutely. And so... And and so when 107 00:04:43,688 --> 00:04:46,026 first to finance something important to note. So 108 00:04:46,405 --> 00:04:48,882 lyme disease is a bacterial infection. So cannabis 109 00:04:48,882 --> 00:04:50,260 is not going to cure 110 00:04:50,733 --> 00:04:52,245 lyme disease at all. 111 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:53,858 It's a 112 00:04:54,233 --> 00:04:55,824 I would... Well, I look at as a 113 00:04:55,824 --> 00:04:58,620 as a symptomatic and palliative treatment for the 114 00:04:58,620 --> 00:05:00,445 illness because there's so many symptoms. 115 00:05:02,031 --> 00:05:04,093 And, so many side effects from treatments is 116 00:05:04,093 --> 00:05:05,442 stuff like that that's very helpful in that 117 00:05:05,442 --> 00:05:08,240 way But lime is a bacterial infection that 118 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:08,978 is transmitted 119 00:05:09,672 --> 00:05:10,865 primarily by ticks, 120 00:05:12,853 --> 00:05:13,489 and the ticks, 121 00:05:14,697 --> 00:05:17,320 deer ticks, primarily, although they're found in other 122 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:18,035 types of ticks. 123 00:05:19,069 --> 00:05:21,794 There's black legged ticks in the northern 124 00:05:22,183 --> 00:05:24,089 latitude in in the Western part of the 125 00:05:24,089 --> 00:05:25,836 country too, like in California. There aren't deer 126 00:05:25,836 --> 00:05:27,980 ticks, but they also carry lyme disease, but 127 00:05:27,980 --> 00:05:29,432 they're also finding it in 128 00:05:30,536 --> 00:05:32,445 lone star ticks and and 129 00:05:33,001 --> 00:05:33,320 and 130 00:05:34,115 --> 00:05:35,705 dog ticks and Wood. So it can be 131 00:05:35,705 --> 00:05:38,091 found in any kind of tick that's just 132 00:05:38,091 --> 00:05:39,975 the most commonly in the deer tick because 133 00:05:41,293 --> 00:05:43,450 the way the life cycle works they contracted 134 00:05:43,450 --> 00:05:46,247 from mice, actually, So just regular old mice 135 00:05:46,247 --> 00:05:48,005 or the reservoir for lime. 136 00:05:48,659 --> 00:05:50,174 And then the the baby ticks pick it 137 00:05:50,174 --> 00:05:51,233 up from that, they 138 00:05:51,770 --> 00:05:53,205 and they can give it to deer, but 139 00:05:53,205 --> 00:05:54,481 then they get on the deer and they 140 00:05:54,481 --> 00:05:55,997 fall up deer and then they often find 141 00:05:55,997 --> 00:05:57,911 us or they find us before the deer. 142 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,271 But like I said, there are other ticks 143 00:06:01,271 --> 00:06:04,297 in, they all carry lots of different presence 144 00:06:04,297 --> 00:06:05,571 for us. So it's not just lyme, 145 00:06:06,447 --> 00:06:06,765 an. 146 00:06:07,415 --> 00:06:09,637 Having only lyme disease is often the section 147 00:06:09,637 --> 00:06:10,113 to the rule. 148 00:06:10,828 --> 00:06:13,208 And so what I would encourage you to 149 00:06:13,208 --> 00:06:15,351 do is just ask for a follow up 150 00:06:15,351 --> 00:06:17,508 test. For for a full panel, the other 151 00:06:17,508 --> 00:06:17,746 stuff, 152 00:06:18,777 --> 00:06:20,284 and if you at all feel them well 153 00:06:20,284 --> 00:06:21,157 in the next few weeks. 154 00:06:22,585 --> 00:06:25,067 For because there's a there's about a dozen 155 00:06:25,067 --> 00:06:26,500 things that they carry that they can pass 156 00:06:26,500 --> 00:06:28,250 on to us, and it's very common for 157 00:06:28,250 --> 00:06:29,922 people have 2 or 3 infections at a 158 00:06:29,922 --> 00:06:30,971 time. Oh, wow. 159 00:06:31,686 --> 00:06:33,753 And it's a it's a special kind of 160 00:06:33,753 --> 00:06:34,866 bacteria. It's a aspire key, 161 00:06:35,740 --> 00:06:37,569 much like syphilis, so it's like a little 162 00:06:37,569 --> 00:06:39,963 cork screw. And so it really gets into 163 00:06:39,963 --> 00:06:40,463 cells 164 00:06:41,151 --> 00:06:43,370 into tissue, and so It can hide really 165 00:06:43,370 --> 00:06:44,955 a well from our immune system we can 166 00:06:44,955 --> 00:06:47,596 even. Hang on to white blood cells themselves. 167 00:06:48,074 --> 00:06:50,145 And then on that, but it can change 168 00:06:50,145 --> 00:06:50,384 shape. 169 00:06:51,021 --> 00:06:51,521 So 170 00:06:52,296 --> 00:06:54,059 they'd you know, when you take... If if 171 00:06:54,059 --> 00:06:55,727 it's been in the body for a long 172 00:06:55,727 --> 00:06:56,839 time and well established. 173 00:06:57,553 --> 00:06:59,221 There's enough of them when when they're exposed 174 00:06:59,221 --> 00:07:01,461 to 1 type of antibiotic, they'll actually... Change 175 00:07:01,461 --> 00:07:04,107 into a different type of bacteria that's not 176 00:07:05,117 --> 00:07:07,048 susceptible to that type of antibiotic 177 00:07:08,059 --> 00:07:08,559 until 178 00:07:08,868 --> 00:07:10,216 it's gotten in the teach. But it's really... 179 00:07:10,454 --> 00:07:12,515 It's wild. There's a... It's just a nutty 180 00:07:12,515 --> 00:07:14,735 thing. So it's very advanced and it's hard 181 00:07:14,735 --> 00:07:17,211 to treat once it becomes... It's systemic in 182 00:07:17,211 --> 00:07:18,406 the body. But if you catch it very 183 00:07:18,406 --> 00:07:18,725 early, 184 00:07:20,557 --> 00:07:22,628 then it's then just, you know, a few 185 00:07:22,628 --> 00:07:24,540 a few rounds of do cycling is pretty 186 00:07:24,540 --> 00:07:25,598 much all it takes 187 00:07:25,990 --> 00:07:26,629 for most people. 188 00:07:28,069 --> 00:07:28,470 But when, 189 00:07:30,069 --> 00:07:30,870 when it persists, 190 00:07:31,509 --> 00:07:34,001 can... It can persist to... And tell me 191 00:07:34,001 --> 00:07:35,672 wants to read 10 to 20 percent people 192 00:07:35,672 --> 00:07:37,184 can end about chronic conditions, 193 00:07:38,537 --> 00:07:41,084 either from a continuing infection or from damage 194 00:07:41,084 --> 00:07:42,438 done by they the illness. 195 00:07:43,407 --> 00:07:44,521 So what is sort of, like, 196 00:07:45,317 --> 00:07:46,987 I guess this is more of a personal 197 00:07:46,987 --> 00:07:49,055 question. So how what is sort of the 198 00:07:49,055 --> 00:07:49,794 the timeline? 199 00:07:50,104 --> 00:07:52,809 From, you know, despite or your experience symptoms. 200 00:07:53,127 --> 00:07:56,070 There's 3 basic stages of the initial stages 201 00:07:56,070 --> 00:07:57,047 flu like symptoms 202 00:07:58,319 --> 00:07:59,699 and so and so 203 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,000 people feel pretty sick right away. So, like, 204 00:08:02,319 --> 00:08:04,399 I... So the reason I came so interesting. 205 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,319 This is I had a really bad case. 206 00:08:07,053 --> 00:08:08,649 So I... And so when I first had, 207 00:08:08,889 --> 00:08:11,443 I definitely had, like, a summer flu that 208 00:08:11,443 --> 00:08:13,678 didn't go away. And I went saw the 209 00:08:13,678 --> 00:08:14,157 doctor, 210 00:08:14,636 --> 00:08:15,136 and 211 00:08:15,847 --> 00:08:18,151 she she gave me a line test, what 212 00:08:18,151 --> 00:08:18,628 she said, 213 00:08:19,264 --> 00:08:20,138 I went should to come back in 2 214 00:08:20,138 --> 00:08:21,409 weeks because are very often wrong. 215 00:08:23,093 --> 00:08:24,842 And a couple weeks later, I felt a 216 00:08:24,842 --> 00:08:26,591 lot better, and she said it was negative. 217 00:08:26,829 --> 00:08:27,386 I never went back. 218 00:08:28,499 --> 00:08:29,691 I really should have gone back. 219 00:08:31,058 --> 00:08:32,728 So that's something to be aware of is 220 00:08:32,728 --> 00:08:34,024 that the the testing 221 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:35,353 is terrible, 222 00:08:35,910 --> 00:08:37,285 for lyme season in general. 223 00:08:37,914 --> 00:08:39,988 It's got a little better, but it's but 224 00:08:39,988 --> 00:08:41,663 it's it's a hard thing to detect in 225 00:08:41,663 --> 00:08:43,417 the body. They don't culture it or anything 226 00:08:43,417 --> 00:08:44,954 that they're looking for antibodies 227 00:08:45,650 --> 00:08:46,926 that can be hard to detect. 228 00:08:47,817 --> 00:08:49,645 And so did you ever find a a 229 00:08:49,645 --> 00:08:51,869 tick or... Yeah. Yeah. I got a scar 230 00:08:51,869 --> 00:08:53,537 from it and everything? Because because when happened 231 00:08:53,537 --> 00:08:55,285 to me was I found at the day 232 00:08:55,285 --> 00:08:55,682 bit me, 233 00:08:56,572 --> 00:08:57,448 but I 234 00:08:57,926 --> 00:08:59,997 didn't have a, like, a tick scoop or 235 00:08:59,997 --> 00:09:00,953 a pair of tweezers. 236 00:09:01,909 --> 00:09:04,060 So I I did what my dad did 237 00:09:04,060 --> 00:09:06,148 for me as a kid, which she's definitely 238 00:09:06,148 --> 00:09:07,506 you're not supposed to do. I heated a 239 00:09:07,506 --> 00:09:10,302 paper clip, red hot, and I killed the 240 00:09:10,302 --> 00:09:11,581 tick. While it was on me. 241 00:09:12,460 --> 00:09:14,788 But But that just may, what that does 242 00:09:14,788 --> 00:09:17,180 is make it reg everything into. And so, 243 00:09:17,260 --> 00:09:20,291 like, almost guaranteeing infection. Oh, wow. It sounds. 244 00:09:20,451 --> 00:09:22,500 So that that was that was bad. At 245 00:09:22,539 --> 00:09:23,658 pieces of it in me had to dig 246 00:09:23,658 --> 00:09:26,055 it out is is really... It's, like, worst 247 00:09:26,055 --> 00:09:27,173 case scenario for that. 248 00:09:28,212 --> 00:09:28,531 Wow. 249 00:09:29,570 --> 00:09:31,657 The pieces by they laid dormant for many 250 00:09:31,657 --> 00:09:31,896 years, 251 00:09:32,932 --> 00:09:36,040 I such you're sub acute. And then, I 252 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,205 got bitten again or or it was also 253 00:09:38,205 --> 00:09:39,399 at the same time as was a major 254 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:42,104 life stress, and then I became a had 255 00:09:42,104 --> 00:09:44,730 major neurological symptoms after that. Oh, the symptoms 256 00:09:44,730 --> 00:09:47,853 you experience was well after that initial... So 257 00:09:47,933 --> 00:09:49,371 I... Yeah. I had that, and then I 258 00:09:49,371 --> 00:09:51,688 had this, like, weird back pain for somebody 259 00:09:51,688 --> 00:09:53,287 in their twenties for many years, 260 00:09:54,165 --> 00:09:56,570 and then, like, I said, Major life stress 261 00:09:56,570 --> 00:09:57,604 are lost in the family, 262 00:09:58,161 --> 00:09:59,673 and all of a sudden, I started going 263 00:09:59,673 --> 00:10:00,866 numb from my feet up. 264 00:10:01,741 --> 00:10:03,915 Like Wow And then having all sorts of 265 00:10:03,915 --> 00:10:06,235 weird, like, getting lost on the way home 266 00:10:06,235 --> 00:10:09,355 from work and all sorts of really unpleasant 267 00:10:09,355 --> 00:10:10,235 things, Lots of pain. 268 00:10:11,689 --> 00:10:13,124 And it took a long time to get 269 00:10:13,124 --> 00:10:13,943 the right diagnosis. 270 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:15,617 Wow, wow. 271 00:10:16,472 --> 00:10:18,306 So I think we sorta of touched on 272 00:10:18,306 --> 00:10:20,711 it there, like, the different stages, Right Yeah. 273 00:10:20,870 --> 00:10:22,853 Sorry. Yeah. So there's a second... Second stations 274 00:10:22,853 --> 00:10:24,995 when it becomes kind of more dis in 275 00:10:24,995 --> 00:10:25,471 the body, 276 00:10:27,296 --> 00:10:30,014 we're end it... Right starts, like joint pain 277 00:10:30,014 --> 00:10:32,723 and stuff like that, and then, the third 278 00:10:32,723 --> 00:10:34,397 stage is is in the nervous system. 279 00:10:35,114 --> 00:10:37,663 And that's when it becomes much harder to 280 00:10:37,663 --> 00:10:40,630 treat because that typical courses of antibiotics generally 281 00:10:40,630 --> 00:10:41,588 aren't effective. 282 00:10:42,546 --> 00:10:44,462 Usually, Iv antibiotics are needed. 283 00:10:45,020 --> 00:10:47,096 So prior to that sort of last stage, 284 00:10:47,335 --> 00:10:48,727 like, a a course of 285 00:10:49,261 --> 00:10:49,659 antibiotics. 286 00:10:50,295 --> 00:10:51,727 Yeah. But what might need to be for 287 00:10:51,727 --> 00:10:54,353 a long time, and if they're multiple infections 288 00:10:54,353 --> 00:10:56,422 that have gotten out there, then you might 289 00:10:56,422 --> 00:10:58,351 need multiple types of antibiotics, 290 00:10:59,150 --> 00:11:01,625 it gets... It can... The treatment side like, 291 00:11:02,343 --> 00:11:04,419 in the diagnosis is 1 thing within the 292 00:11:04,419 --> 00:11:06,356 treatment side of things as a whole other 293 00:11:06,908 --> 00:11:07,567 kind of 294 00:11:07,942 --> 00:11:10,986 mess, honestly, because there's not there's no established 295 00:11:11,441 --> 00:11:11,941 protocol 296 00:11:13,111 --> 00:11:14,883 for these multiple infections 297 00:11:15,273 --> 00:11:16,171 And so 298 00:11:17,103 --> 00:11:18,615 everybody's got their own way of doing it. 299 00:11:19,014 --> 00:11:20,128 Everybody thinks they're right. And, 300 00:11:20,923 --> 00:11:22,913 they're probably right for some people and not 301 00:11:22,913 --> 00:11:24,425 for others and sort of it's, you know, 302 00:11:24,918 --> 00:11:26,272 It gets to be a a tricky thing 303 00:11:26,272 --> 00:11:27,648 and a lot of it is not covered 304 00:11:27,785 --> 00:11:29,059 insurance and it gets really messy. 305 00:11:29,616 --> 00:11:31,050 And so is it also an issue to? 306 00:11:31,209 --> 00:11:33,120 Like, you could get rid of the back. 307 00:11:33,374 --> 00:11:36,866 Bacteria, but there's lasting effects. Yes. Absolutely. So 308 00:11:36,866 --> 00:11:38,771 that's that's where I'm at. At this point 309 00:11:38,771 --> 00:11:40,517 in my life too or, I know, I've 310 00:11:40,517 --> 00:11:42,284 got peripheral perform on the neuropathy now from 311 00:11:42,284 --> 00:11:44,776 it. I have an immune deficiency. 312 00:11:45,551 --> 00:11:47,884 I definitely don't have lyme disease 313 00:11:49,230 --> 00:11:50,105 But I have 314 00:11:50,583 --> 00:11:52,413 I have a lot of symptoms of of, 315 00:11:52,731 --> 00:11:54,641 without a better explanation might start to look 316 00:11:54,641 --> 00:11:55,198 like Ms. 317 00:11:56,728 --> 00:11:57,925 But as long as I take take care 318 00:11:57,925 --> 00:11:58,803 of myself Fine. 319 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:02,316 So what you're telling me is I should 320 00:12:02,316 --> 00:12:04,631 call my doctor and get more antibiotics. 321 00:12:05,603 --> 00:12:07,274 If you at all feel on well the 322 00:12:07,274 --> 00:12:09,343 next couple weeks. Yeah. That's what I would 323 00:12:09,343 --> 00:12:09,422 do. 324 00:12:10,775 --> 00:12:13,018 Alright. So we did... Alright. So, yeah That 325 00:12:13,018 --> 00:12:14,691 was great. I think we we touched on 326 00:12:14,691 --> 00:12:16,922 how people acquire it, what the difference the 327 00:12:16,922 --> 00:12:19,710 stages are. We briefly touched about different treatment. 328 00:12:20,044 --> 00:12:21,480 No. Was that a rabbit hole that we 329 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:22,836 can go to? It's a bit of a 330 00:12:22,836 --> 00:12:24,909 rabbit hole. What what I would suggest would 331 00:12:24,909 --> 00:12:25,547 people get... 332 00:12:26,265 --> 00:12:29,136 If people get lyme disease and the initial 333 00:12:29,136 --> 00:12:29,636 treatment 334 00:12:30,028 --> 00:12:31,061 isn't enough. 335 00:12:31,856 --> 00:12:34,502 Then a great thing to do is 336 00:12:35,353 --> 00:12:38,214 there's few resources. 1 is to look up 337 00:12:38,944 --> 00:12:40,690 your local line... Many... 338 00:12:41,563 --> 00:12:43,389 Especially if you're in a major urban area 339 00:12:43,389 --> 00:12:45,215 are a largely populated state, there's gonna be 340 00:12:45,215 --> 00:12:47,851 lime disease support groups. Your You contact them. 341 00:12:48,010 --> 00:12:49,360 You say, I'm really sick that my initial 342 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,266 treatment is not working. I'm looking for names 343 00:12:51,266 --> 00:12:53,649 of doctors who specialize in treating line because 344 00:12:53,649 --> 00:12:55,318 it it really is a specialty. It's called 345 00:12:55,318 --> 00:12:56,294 lime literate 346 00:12:57,478 --> 00:12:58,987 is a is a term to use. I'm 347 00:12:58,987 --> 00:13:02,086 looking for a limelight physician. There's another organization 348 00:13:02,086 --> 00:13:04,867 called eye lads. It's called international Lyme and 349 00:13:04,867 --> 00:13:07,745 associate. A disease society. They they really have 350 00:13:07,745 --> 00:13:10,529 established a protocol for this and that's where 351 00:13:10,529 --> 00:13:13,233 our, your limelight literate positions get their training 352 00:13:13,233 --> 00:13:15,815 from. A you can go to their website 353 00:13:16,109 --> 00:13:18,255 and do a search for doctors trained in 354 00:13:18,255 --> 00:13:18,890 your area, 355 00:13:19,923 --> 00:13:21,115 and find somebody who talk to. 356 00:13:21,768 --> 00:13:23,525 Most of the time these people will not 357 00:13:23,525 --> 00:13:25,621 be accepting insurance. And so 358 00:13:26,558 --> 00:13:28,075 I good rule of thumb is to get 359 00:13:28,075 --> 00:13:30,230 a get a good quality rule. If you're 360 00:13:30,230 --> 00:13:31,915 sick, And and you wanna know if you 361 00:13:31,915 --> 00:13:33,822 truly have lyme disease amount you probably expect 362 00:13:33,822 --> 00:13:35,887 to spend somewhere around a thousand dollars. Oh, 363 00:13:36,126 --> 00:13:38,032 wow. Yeah. Just to find out if you 364 00:13:38,032 --> 00:13:38,429 have it. 365 00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:41,956 Really? Yeah. Once if you're talk about bringing 366 00:13:41,956 --> 00:13:43,874 the doctor 200 dollars an hour for their 367 00:13:43,874 --> 00:13:46,191 time, and then the testing is generally out 368 00:13:46,191 --> 00:13:46,670 of pocket. 369 00:13:48,283 --> 00:13:50,760 And the testing would be from those lime 370 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:51,639 literate physicians and... 371 00:13:52,359 --> 00:13:53,797 They would they would draw the less with 372 00:13:53,797 --> 00:13:55,795 without... There's there's a few labs that really... 373 00:13:56,287 --> 00:13:57,721 Because I told you the testing so bad 374 00:13:57,721 --> 00:13:59,870 the standardized test. There's... Yeah. Apps that are 375 00:13:59,870 --> 00:14:02,179 fully accredited and good labs, but they're they 376 00:14:02,179 --> 00:14:02,896 they're not 377 00:14:03,453 --> 00:14:04,011 insurance coverage. 378 00:14:04,743 --> 00:14:07,292 Generally because they do their own assays essays, 379 00:14:07,930 --> 00:14:09,364 and so they're... That's 380 00:14:09,842 --> 00:14:11,754 but they do a good job and that's 381 00:14:11,754 --> 00:14:14,065 usually where these doctors will send the test. 382 00:14:15,432 --> 00:14:17,262 Okay. Yeah. And I have to imagine too. 383 00:14:17,421 --> 00:14:18,932 I mean, at least for my own experience 384 00:14:18,932 --> 00:14:21,495 with with finding the deer tick. It's... Tiny. 385 00:14:21,735 --> 00:14:23,014 I mean, I think they described it's like 386 00:14:23,014 --> 00:14:25,014 the size of a sesame seed. Yeah. The 387 00:14:25,014 --> 00:14:27,735 nits can be that small. Yep. So I 388 00:14:27,735 --> 00:14:28,855 imagine that, you know, 389 00:14:29,587 --> 00:14:31,410 like, perhaps in your case too where you 390 00:14:31,410 --> 00:14:33,313 have some of that that summer flu or 391 00:14:33,313 --> 00:14:35,533 something or that, you know, that sickness that 392 00:14:35,533 --> 00:14:36,405 you just can't kick, 393 00:14:37,293 --> 00:14:39,604 and, you know, attributed to. Oh, it's a 394 00:14:39,604 --> 00:14:41,436 virus or something, but it really could have 395 00:14:41,436 --> 00:14:43,986 been No. Yeah. My... You... Sometimes people don't 396 00:14:43,986 --> 00:14:45,420 know there a bit my dad almost died 397 00:14:45,420 --> 00:14:46,615 last year. Here's any... 398 00:14:47,106 --> 00:14:49,011 Room ended and out for for 3 days. 399 00:14:49,249 --> 00:14:50,360 They didn't know it was wrong with them, 400 00:14:50,519 --> 00:14:52,606 and he kept getting fevers and and his 401 00:14:52,821 --> 00:14:55,855 organs were failing. Emergency and I showed up 402 00:14:55,934 --> 00:14:58,320 I said have you tested for ticks, and 403 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,149 they went, what do you do for a 404 00:15:00,149 --> 00:15:03,425 living section. Every you mind. And I was 405 00:15:03,425 --> 00:15:05,333 right. And then I given my antibiotics and 406 00:15:05,333 --> 00:15:07,639 you bounced right back. Wow. Yeah. 407 00:15:08,275 --> 00:15:10,582 Yeah. And so that didn't develop into some 408 00:15:10,582 --> 00:15:12,899 sort of... Persistent condition? No, because it was 409 00:15:12,899 --> 00:15:14,804 it was a it was that was a 410 00:15:14,804 --> 00:15:16,630 it was a rare kinda of case where 411 00:15:16,630 --> 00:15:17,821 it hit him hard and fast and it 412 00:15:17,821 --> 00:15:19,511 was anti osmosis. That was really 413 00:15:20,697 --> 00:15:21,175 tanking him. 414 00:15:21,972 --> 00:15:23,407 Then that and that happens, sometimes I mean, 415 00:15:23,487 --> 00:15:24,842 he's old. Says 80. 416 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,632 And and, yeah. Sometimes that happens. 417 00:15:28,762 --> 00:15:30,587 Is that fevers of, like a hundred and 418 00:15:30,587 --> 00:15:33,206 4. Not wow. Yeah. That's up there. Yep. 419 00:15:34,079 --> 00:15:34,579 So 420 00:15:35,269 --> 00:15:36,642 your your study 421 00:15:37,348 --> 00:15:41,169 look particularly at persistent and post treatment lyme 422 00:15:41,169 --> 00:15:42,760 disease. Well, yeah. So and we called that 423 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,693 that because, in the 424 00:15:45,228 --> 00:15:46,365 the from our 425 00:15:47,392 --> 00:15:48,585 so a couple things. 1 is, 426 00:15:49,301 --> 00:15:50,755 I didn't want to 427 00:15:51,289 --> 00:15:53,301 allude to the fact that 1 should treat 428 00:15:53,357 --> 00:15:53,596 acute. 429 00:15:54,328 --> 00:15:56,638 Like, a acute case with just cannabis so. 430 00:15:56,957 --> 00:15:57,435 But also, 431 00:15:58,311 --> 00:16:01,122 in the dataset, these are people that are 432 00:16:01,433 --> 00:16:03,262 or, you know, filling out form saying I 433 00:16:03,262 --> 00:16:05,011 have lyme disease. So I don't know what 434 00:16:05,011 --> 00:16:06,283 stage they're at. Mh 435 00:16:07,158 --> 00:16:10,193 but so it's... That's seem like a a 436 00:16:10,193 --> 00:16:12,573 large enough grouping that's is kind of safe 437 00:16:12,573 --> 00:16:14,874 to assume that but that they're either treating 438 00:16:14,874 --> 00:16:17,191 persistent cases or post treatment, but There's no 439 00:16:17,191 --> 00:16:18,940 reason that some of them couldn't have been 440 00:16:18,940 --> 00:16:20,688 acute, but it's just unlikely if they're just 441 00:16:20,688 --> 00:16:22,516 in that short treatment window of 2 weeks 442 00:16:22,516 --> 00:16:24,504 on oxy that they would enter this world 443 00:16:24,504 --> 00:16:25,616 of tree with cannabis? 444 00:16:26,267 --> 00:16:28,093 Yeah. Right. The symptoms that we're tracking, like, 445 00:16:28,410 --> 00:16:28,807 anxiety, 446 00:16:29,522 --> 00:16:30,395 inflammatory pain, 447 00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:33,094 sleep. Those kinds of things are are common 448 00:16:33,094 --> 00:16:35,054 in the later stages of life. Right 449 00:16:36,844 --> 00:16:39,151 and again, if you're treating with cannabis, you've 450 00:16:39,151 --> 00:16:41,458 probably already been through the standard round. 451 00:16:42,190 --> 00:16:43,870 These are those are assumptions that... But we 452 00:16:43,870 --> 00:16:46,669 can't interview these these patients. So we're really 453 00:16:46,669 --> 00:16:48,750 just looking at... They say they have lyme. 454 00:16:50,044 --> 00:16:51,884 And they're treating x symptom, 455 00:16:52,285 --> 00:16:54,684 and and the the tool helps them rate 456 00:16:54,684 --> 00:16:58,044 it on different scales. So it what's interesting 457 00:16:58,044 --> 00:16:58,205 now. 458 00:16:58,858 --> 00:17:01,171 As as ubiquitous as lame is as much 459 00:17:01,171 --> 00:17:03,267 as cannabis has being looked at 460 00:17:03,803 --> 00:17:05,877 nobody ever looked at these 2 together before. 461 00:17:06,595 --> 00:17:08,132 And if you... Which is 462 00:17:09,082 --> 00:17:11,074 really surprising. Because if you do a... Just 463 00:17:11,074 --> 00:17:12,109 a simple Google search, 464 00:17:13,145 --> 00:17:14,362 there's a lot 465 00:17:15,296 --> 00:17:17,607 where every dis dispatcher is telling you should 466 00:17:17,607 --> 00:17:20,099 treat your lyme disease with cannabis. And lots 467 00:17:20,099 --> 00:17:20,599 of 468 00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:23,700 lots of, doctors websites have, you know, blog 469 00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:25,859 posts about using cannabis to help of lyme 470 00:17:25,859 --> 00:17:28,352 disease. And lots of line blogs and and 471 00:17:28,352 --> 00:17:31,309 lime informational websites tell you Cbd and cannabis 472 00:17:31,309 --> 00:17:34,905 are good symptomatic treatments, but absolutely, nobody has 473 00:17:34,905 --> 00:17:35,065 done. 474 00:17:35,878 --> 00:17:37,410 Any academic formal 475 00:17:37,783 --> 00:17:40,244 look at it until not. Which is really 476 00:17:40,244 --> 00:17:40,403 weird. 477 00:17:41,276 --> 00:17:42,944 And, you know, we're doing a retrospective, 478 00:17:43,594 --> 00:17:44,492 sort of natural 479 00:17:45,106 --> 00:17:45,345 study, 480 00:17:46,460 --> 00:17:49,086 and we're continuing to examine more symptoms and 481 00:17:49,086 --> 00:17:50,758 then and kinda parse out the data. 482 00:17:53,319 --> 00:17:54,853 Because it really is 483 00:17:55,307 --> 00:17:57,455 effective and once end it's interesting that it 484 00:17:57,455 --> 00:17:57,955 affects 485 00:17:58,742 --> 00:17:59,718 people. So 486 00:18:01,044 --> 00:18:02,416 the things that line 487 00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:03,186 people... 488 00:18:03,821 --> 00:18:05,726 Sorry, Lyme disease is often a root cause 489 00:18:05,726 --> 00:18:07,489 of things like rheumatoid. Mh. 490 00:18:09,327 --> 00:18:09,827 Als, 491 00:18:10,526 --> 00:18:11,985 it can be mistaken for Parkinson's, 492 00:18:13,883 --> 00:18:15,981 it for lupus, f, 493 00:18:17,334 --> 00:18:19,168 these are all things people we commonly use 494 00:18:19,168 --> 00:18:22,915 cannabis to treat. Right? So very... So and 495 00:18:22,915 --> 00:18:25,148 they're not always caused by lyme, but Lime 496 00:18:25,148 --> 00:18:27,578 is 1 of the potential... Causes of these 497 00:18:27,798 --> 00:18:28,298 syndromes. 498 00:18:29,236 --> 00:18:31,233 And so that was very interesting to me 499 00:18:31,233 --> 00:18:31,393 too. 500 00:18:32,911 --> 00:18:33,890 And so 501 00:18:34,204 --> 00:18:36,593 what we found though is that people who 502 00:18:36,593 --> 00:18:37,890 like use it for art 503 00:18:38,266 --> 00:18:40,018 for inflammatory pain if they have lyme, 504 00:18:40,974 --> 00:18:42,885 respond differently than people who are using. 505 00:18:43,458 --> 00:18:44,575 Inflammatory pain who don't have. 506 00:18:46,330 --> 00:18:48,324 Same thing with Anxiety. How so. 507 00:18:49,121 --> 00:18:50,259 So, like, higher 508 00:18:50,716 --> 00:18:51,216 Thc 509 00:18:51,594 --> 00:18:52,652 formulations were found 510 00:18:54,076 --> 00:18:56,242 more relieving for anxiety than 511 00:18:56,694 --> 00:18:58,146 mixed canada ratios 512 00:18:59,709 --> 00:19:02,103 with people with lime. Whereas we look at 513 00:19:02,103 --> 00:19:03,767 overall, on the other ends, it's usually the 514 00:19:03,767 --> 00:19:05,193 other way around, like, a 1 to 1 515 00:19:05,193 --> 00:19:06,565 or a highest higher Cbd 516 00:19:07,015 --> 00:19:09,251 ratio formula will be better. When better for 517 00:19:09,251 --> 00:19:12,194 live? But for anxiety. I see. So the 518 00:19:12,274 --> 00:19:13,865 Thc is more helpful for lyme. 519 00:19:14,740 --> 00:19:18,972 Because it's better relieving inflammation. Right? Strat, in 520 00:19:18,972 --> 00:19:21,759 sense. Or... And so it's interesting. So there's 521 00:19:21,759 --> 00:19:23,192 a lot, Mean, I when we talk about 522 00:19:23,192 --> 00:19:24,466 the data, there's a lot... I can I 523 00:19:24,466 --> 00:19:26,393 can say about that Pretty interesting? Yeah. Let's 524 00:19:26,393 --> 00:19:27,669 talk about that. I mean, first of all, 525 00:19:27,828 --> 00:19:30,221 you know, where where you getting this data? 526 00:19:30,460 --> 00:19:33,092 Like, how Yes. Where's? There's it There's a 527 00:19:33,092 --> 00:19:33,491 great 528 00:19:34,847 --> 00:19:35,086 app. 529 00:19:35,819 --> 00:19:38,451 And website called strain print, strain print dot 530 00:19:38,451 --> 00:19:40,067 c a. It's a Canadian 531 00:19:40,923 --> 00:19:41,242 company, 532 00:19:42,439 --> 00:19:44,592 but they also track a fair amount of 533 00:19:44,752 --> 00:19:47,244 American product. As well. So it's a really 534 00:19:47,244 --> 00:19:47,744 great 535 00:19:49,244 --> 00:19:50,444 use tracking tool. 536 00:19:52,044 --> 00:19:52,544 So 537 00:19:54,365 --> 00:19:56,471 x And I... So I suggest to people 538 00:19:56,527 --> 00:19:58,833 regardless because it's it's helpful because, you know, 539 00:19:58,992 --> 00:20:01,536 you might say say you use you use 540 00:20:01,536 --> 00:20:02,808 and you find out. My pain really relief, 541 00:20:02,967 --> 00:20:04,492 but I also then ask you are you 542 00:20:04,492 --> 00:20:06,422 feeling tired? Are you feeling 543 00:20:06,875 --> 00:20:07,192 you know, 544 00:20:08,066 --> 00:20:10,289 at irritable or upset something. So helps you 545 00:20:10,289 --> 00:20:11,559 note side effects as well? 546 00:20:12,195 --> 00:20:14,115 Are and help dial in. So kinda help 547 00:20:14,115 --> 00:20:15,305 dialing in your dosing that way. 548 00:20:16,258 --> 00:20:18,663 But it asked people to identify their 549 00:20:19,353 --> 00:20:21,593 disease or or diagnosis, and then it'll give 550 00:20:21,593 --> 00:20:23,047 a list of symptoms commonly 551 00:20:23,421 --> 00:20:24,772 associated with those but then you can also 552 00:20:24,772 --> 00:20:25,964 choose your own. It tracks up to, like, 553 00:20:26,123 --> 00:20:27,554 70 different symptoms, 554 00:20:28,190 --> 00:20:29,039 but a lot or 555 00:20:30,356 --> 00:20:32,589 and then you rate it, how you're feeling 556 00:20:32,669 --> 00:20:34,742 Obviously scale 1 step before. You put in 557 00:20:34,742 --> 00:20:36,338 what you took and then and then right 558 00:20:36,338 --> 00:20:37,933 after. And so he... He's got for... If 559 00:20:37,933 --> 00:20:40,441 you're in Canada, for example, all the products 560 00:20:40,658 --> 00:20:43,629 and dis are loaded into that app. So 561 00:20:43,767 --> 00:20:45,600 it tracks all the testing data and stuff 562 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:46,716 like that. So... Yeah. 563 00:20:47,289 --> 00:20:50,405 It's also useful for producers and and looking 564 00:20:50,405 --> 00:20:52,243 and studies to say, you know, what can 565 00:20:52,243 --> 00:20:54,321 of ratio might be good for this settlement 566 00:20:54,321 --> 00:20:55,854 and that sort of thing. So that That's 567 00:20:55,854 --> 00:20:57,368 a... It's interesting that so we're able to 568 00:20:57,368 --> 00:20:58,586 track a lot of different 569 00:21:00,318 --> 00:21:01,354 ratios of, 570 00:21:02,231 --> 00:21:03,507 products that people used. 571 00:21:04,877 --> 00:21:06,472 And then this 1, we were... No. Is 572 00:21:06,472 --> 00:21:08,307 that down to, like, the batch level 2? 573 00:21:09,025 --> 00:21:11,338 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If if it's a company 574 00:21:11,338 --> 00:21:13,651 that's regularly submitting their stuff. Yeah. Yep. That's 575 00:21:13,651 --> 00:21:13,890 awesome. 576 00:21:15,023 --> 00:21:17,340 Yeah. And so that it's it's it's it's 577 00:21:17,340 --> 00:21:19,337 useful. Oh so many ways. It's really cool. 578 00:21:19,577 --> 00:21:19,657 Right. 579 00:21:21,428 --> 00:21:22,246 So the 580 00:21:22,779 --> 00:21:23,018 the 581 00:21:23,813 --> 00:21:26,914 we looked at a, combined of inhaled edible 582 00:21:26,914 --> 00:21:28,504 products, so we kinda put it all in 583 00:21:28,504 --> 00:21:30,094 1, but it would be interesting to parse 584 00:21:30,094 --> 00:21:31,143 that out in the you... Nature. 585 00:21:31,939 --> 00:21:33,848 And we looked at a, a range of 586 00:21:33,848 --> 00:21:37,189 canada ratios of including Thc only, Cbd only, 587 00:21:37,666 --> 00:21:40,549 and then natural ratios, So you might... In 588 00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:42,149 the data, you might say, like, a 25 589 00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:44,009 to 1. That's that's a very high Thc 590 00:21:45,509 --> 00:21:48,285 cannabis, but it's still a natural ratio. So 591 00:21:48,404 --> 00:21:50,315 got some measurable amount of Thc and other 592 00:21:50,395 --> 00:21:52,863 Cbd and other cannibal that's in there. But 593 00:21:52,863 --> 00:21:54,854 we're really just looking at Thc and Cbd 594 00:21:54,854 --> 00:21:58,133 as well, and which it's is something I 595 00:21:58,133 --> 00:22:00,781 think is often not enough, but it's when 596 00:22:01,235 --> 00:22:02,031 more often than not. 597 00:22:03,224 --> 00:22:03,542 And 598 00:22:04,115 --> 00:22:05,795 and going all the 1 to 1 and 599 00:22:05,795 --> 00:22:06,994 and on the other end of things. 600 00:22:08,674 --> 00:22:10,934 And what we found in this data set 601 00:22:11,328 --> 00:22:14,114 was there was an overwhelming preference for Thc, 602 00:22:14,352 --> 00:22:16,580 Very, very strong preference. And and very high 603 00:22:16,580 --> 00:22:17,956 in the Thc only 604 00:22:18,904 --> 00:22:21,541 I note that to a product availability. 605 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:24,278 What's what's pushed in dis, 606 00:22:24,737 --> 00:22:27,548 you, there's a higher margin in dis in 607 00:22:27,548 --> 00:22:29,778 in for some in some ways sometimes. So... 608 00:22:31,132 --> 00:22:32,646 And then the convenience factor, 609 00:22:33,682 --> 00:22:35,832 there as well. So I think that's part 610 00:22:35,832 --> 00:22:36,412 of it 611 00:22:36,803 --> 00:22:39,114 And then that's also primarily what's Edible. Right? 612 00:22:39,353 --> 00:22:41,344 They use just the as well because then 613 00:22:41,344 --> 00:22:43,596 they can have an even measure of dosage 614 00:22:43,734 --> 00:22:45,247 even though it may not be the best 615 00:22:45,247 --> 00:22:45,646 delivery. 616 00:22:46,138 --> 00:22:46,457 Method. 617 00:22:47,014 --> 00:22:49,162 So while that was used the most often, 618 00:22:49,401 --> 00:22:51,549 not in every case was it the most 619 00:22:51,549 --> 00:22:53,459 preferred, but I always scored very high. 620 00:22:54,493 --> 00:22:56,341 But when you when you look at other 621 00:22:56,341 --> 00:22:57,320 ones, what 622 00:22:57,777 --> 00:22:59,473 often score equally high 623 00:23:00,887 --> 00:23:01,286 and 624 00:23:01,764 --> 00:23:03,837 or better with less... 625 00:23:05,048 --> 00:23:05,548 Dosages, 626 00:23:06,875 --> 00:23:09,021 was natural ratios or a 1 to 1. 627 00:23:10,531 --> 00:23:13,630 Cbd only often also didn't perform very well. 628 00:23:13,963 --> 00:23:14,520 In general. 629 00:23:15,951 --> 00:23:17,701 Then what was... We also looked at gender 630 00:23:17,701 --> 00:23:18,178 differences, 631 00:23:18,734 --> 00:23:20,484 and was really fascinating here was, 632 00:23:21,756 --> 00:23:22,869 so for pain, 633 00:23:25,115 --> 00:23:26,310 I just... I wanna make sure I get 634 00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:28,383 it right. Yeah. No. To you take a 635 00:23:28,383 --> 00:23:28,883 look. 636 00:23:29,579 --> 00:23:31,833 We found in anxiety... 637 00:23:33,100 --> 00:23:33,816 Like I said, 638 00:23:35,010 --> 00:23:36,067 Thc only 639 00:23:37,238 --> 00:23:37,738 performed 640 00:23:38,352 --> 00:23:39,148 really high, 641 00:23:40,838 --> 00:23:41,338 among 642 00:23:43,316 --> 00:23:46,053 it performed better and for for women 643 00:23:46,432 --> 00:23:48,031 than it did for, 644 00:23:49,562 --> 00:23:51,549 for men, which was interesting. And I'm sorry. 645 00:23:51,947 --> 00:23:52,106 For... 646 00:23:52,821 --> 00:23:54,093 Then then the Cbd did. 647 00:23:56,159 --> 00:23:58,249 And then it was somewhat reversed 648 00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:00,414 for the inflammatory pain where 649 00:24:00,871 --> 00:24:03,204 men found it, found a better 650 00:24:04,139 --> 00:24:07,579 result, and efficacy from higher Cbd in Thc, 651 00:24:07,738 --> 00:24:10,379 and and women found high higher Thc or 652 00:24:11,068 --> 00:24:11,568 interest 653 00:24:11,941 --> 00:24:13,392 inflammation too, which is... So 654 00:24:13,844 --> 00:24:15,608 that doesn't say anything in particular other than 655 00:24:15,608 --> 00:24:18,161 it's really important that we continue to examine 656 00:24:18,161 --> 00:24:18,900 gender differences 657 00:24:19,757 --> 00:24:22,365 because they're... Whenever we do there are. Particular 658 00:24:23,282 --> 00:24:24,500 I I believe that 659 00:24:25,196 --> 00:24:26,472 it's been a long time since I looked 660 00:24:26,472 --> 00:24:27,270 at what it was, 661 00:24:27,988 --> 00:24:28,488 but 662 00:24:29,423 --> 00:24:30,859 there's a study that looked at 663 00:24:31,417 --> 00:24:31,896 blood levels. 664 00:24:33,103 --> 00:24:36,039 And women have... Will yield higher levels of 665 00:24:36,118 --> 00:24:38,816 Thc from equal dosages often in their blood. 666 00:24:38,974 --> 00:24:40,244 So they're... So there's... 667 00:24:40,973 --> 00:24:42,244 It's just really important that we look at 668 00:24:42,244 --> 00:24:44,707 those differences so that we can better understand 669 00:24:44,707 --> 00:24:45,660 how to help people. 670 00:24:46,216 --> 00:24:47,884 So what I... For example, so if you 671 00:24:47,884 --> 00:24:49,076 had somebody with high anxiety, 672 00:24:49,569 --> 00:24:51,244 you might not suggest that they use a 673 00:24:51,244 --> 00:24:54,195 high Thc product. But with this data, you 674 00:24:54,195 --> 00:24:55,333 could you could 675 00:24:55,710 --> 00:24:57,385 feel better about that or when they're telling 676 00:24:57,385 --> 00:24:58,821 you that that's what they're using. You might 677 00:24:58,821 --> 00:25:00,431 not. Oh, you shouldn't do that. 678 00:25:02,344 --> 00:25:04,656 And sorry to circle back, but I believe 679 00:25:04,656 --> 00:25:06,490 you were saying that, you know, you know, 680 00:25:06,649 --> 00:25:08,978 a lot of these symptoms say are similar 681 00:25:08,978 --> 00:25:10,675 to other conditions like p 682 00:25:11,133 --> 00:25:12,889 or, you know, inflammation and things like that. 683 00:25:13,049 --> 00:25:15,864 But the... What was effective for, 684 00:25:16,402 --> 00:25:16,721 you know, 685 00:25:17,614 --> 00:25:20,408 for that versus what's effective for lyme was 686 00:25:20,408 --> 00:25:21,925 different. So, I mean, 687 00:25:23,761 --> 00:25:25,438 if if someone is at the stage where 688 00:25:25,438 --> 00:25:28,084 it's sort of more persistent lyme and that 689 00:25:28,084 --> 00:25:28,903 may have been 690 00:25:29,278 --> 00:25:31,507 un diagnosed before, is that something that they 691 00:25:31,507 --> 00:25:33,815 could get tested for to kind of get 692 00:25:33,815 --> 00:25:34,691 a better Yep. 693 00:25:35,423 --> 00:25:37,254 Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. And so I... You know, 694 00:25:37,812 --> 00:25:38,210 anybody... 695 00:25:39,325 --> 00:25:40,462 So I I 696 00:25:41,714 --> 00:25:43,387 I've been a therapist for a long time. 697 00:25:43,626 --> 00:25:45,559 This how I kinda... Oh, no. That's why 698 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,320 I got into the education of this because 699 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,059 I realized 700 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,359 as I was sick that I had must... 701 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,519 I know I had seen so many people. 702 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,375 That's it had this because there's really strong 703 00:25:54,375 --> 00:25:54,875 psychiatric 704 00:25:55,414 --> 00:25:55,654 presentations. 705 00:25:56,295 --> 00:25:57,494 And so whenever if somebody... 706 00:25:57,974 --> 00:25:59,734 If somebody gets this far along and so, 707 00:25:59,815 --> 00:26:01,275 they're gonna have anxiety 708 00:26:01,749 --> 00:26:02,069 or 709 00:26:02,628 --> 00:26:03,108 insomnia, 710 00:26:03,747 --> 00:26:05,445 depression is very, very common 711 00:26:06,384 --> 00:26:07,981 in line. The fact there's that guy a 712 00:26:08,141 --> 00:26:09,555 Columbia Brian Fallon who 713 00:26:10,154 --> 00:26:12,232 has done studies where he he draws a 714 00:26:12,232 --> 00:26:13,031 positive link. 715 00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:16,228 Which is a pretty daring thing to do. 716 00:26:18,146 --> 00:26:18,646 So 717 00:26:19,517 --> 00:26:21,817 that it's... Anytime people have a kind of 718 00:26:21,817 --> 00:26:23,561 persistent mental health disorder with a, 719 00:26:25,544 --> 00:26:26,916 not clearly diagnosed 720 00:26:27,383 --> 00:26:30,566 or or a syndrome type illness that's chronic. 721 00:26:31,441 --> 00:26:33,669 It's... And, especially if you live in the 722 00:26:33,748 --> 00:26:34,248 Northeast 723 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:36,578 or spend a lot of time there. It's 724 00:26:36,637 --> 00:26:37,756 worth checking. 725 00:26:39,115 --> 00:26:41,752 Right. You know? And and and that that 726 00:26:41,752 --> 00:26:43,350 can be a challenge to get people to 727 00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:43,670 look at. 728 00:26:44,643 --> 00:26:46,715 It that... Though, the tide is changing slowly. 729 00:26:47,671 --> 00:26:49,265 It has looked at more and more, especially 730 00:26:49,265 --> 00:26:49,982 up in this area. 731 00:26:50,938 --> 00:26:53,022 And now. So once people kinda get to 732 00:26:53,022 --> 00:26:56,361 this persistent or post treatment stage, is it 733 00:26:56,361 --> 00:26:57,973 then just all about 734 00:26:58,347 --> 00:26:59,222 managing symptoms, 735 00:26:59,954 --> 00:27:02,914 Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, it's it's complicated. 736 00:27:03,234 --> 00:27:05,335 Some people get a lot better 737 00:27:05,875 --> 00:27:09,250 when they they take antibiotics. And and... But 738 00:27:09,250 --> 00:27:11,509 there's a way that the illness works that 739 00:27:11,730 --> 00:27:13,970 there's a stage in treatments where, 740 00:27:15,184 --> 00:27:17,120 and it wax as a away. It cycles 741 00:27:17,178 --> 00:27:20,608 where you... It pre symptoms, so you feel 742 00:27:20,608 --> 00:27:21,507 a lot worse 743 00:27:21,964 --> 00:27:23,501 for a while. And then 744 00:27:23,878 --> 00:27:24,596 before you feel better, 745 00:27:25,566 --> 00:27:27,155 And at the length of time that goes 746 00:27:27,155 --> 00:27:28,586 on is different for some people, and and 747 00:27:28,586 --> 00:27:29,460 a lot of people get 748 00:27:30,096 --> 00:27:33,434 get really discouraged and don't continue their treatments. 749 00:27:34,644 --> 00:27:36,561 And so really very. And some people can't 750 00:27:36,561 --> 00:27:38,159 don't get any better. Some people hit a 751 00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:40,316 wall, and they they don't get any better. 752 00:27:41,767 --> 00:27:43,998 Or there are certain things they could do 753 00:27:43,998 --> 00:27:45,831 that they don't do, You know, like, major 754 00:27:45,831 --> 00:27:47,265 diet changes and things like that. 755 00:27:48,875 --> 00:27:51,515 So it is really really variable. 756 00:27:52,315 --> 00:27:53,674 This is all I can say is it's 757 00:27:53,674 --> 00:27:54,875 a... It's all very 758 00:27:55,674 --> 00:27:56,394 individualized treatment. 759 00:27:57,209 --> 00:27:58,488 Which is 1 of the reasons cannabis is 760 00:27:58,488 --> 00:27:59,127 so helpful. 761 00:27:59,606 --> 00:28:00,006 So, like, 762 00:28:01,205 --> 00:28:02,664 before I was diagnosed, 763 00:28:03,283 --> 00:28:05,600 you know, I I would use cannabis for 764 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,921 the thing, that we would always use cannabis 765 00:28:07,921 --> 00:28:08,795 for you to have fun. 766 00:28:09,668 --> 00:28:11,018 And relax on the mind and he'll be 767 00:28:11,018 --> 00:28:11,494 sleep. But, 768 00:28:12,685 --> 00:28:15,249 when when I was diagnosed, I was taking 769 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,039 you know, prescriptions for pain. The nerve pain 770 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:19,319 terribly hard to treat. 771 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:20,859 I was taking 772 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,039 prescriptions for sleep, and and 773 00:28:25,010 --> 00:28:26,043 things that help me stay awake. 774 00:28:27,552 --> 00:28:28,028 Awful. 775 00:28:28,425 --> 00:28:29,220 It's really awful. 776 00:28:29,776 --> 00:28:31,682 Yeah. Because that be... I be the basically 777 00:28:31,682 --> 00:28:33,191 if pharmacy asleep during the day, and I'm 778 00:28:33,191 --> 00:28:34,717 unable able to sleep at night. And when 779 00:28:34,877 --> 00:28:36,791 I when I understood that I lyme disease, 780 00:28:36,951 --> 00:28:38,306 I stopped taking all those things, 781 00:28:39,024 --> 00:28:40,380 and I was able to manage all of 782 00:28:40,380 --> 00:28:41,119 my symptoms 783 00:28:41,497 --> 00:28:42,135 with Canvas. 784 00:28:42,932 --> 00:28:44,543 And and I would Right. So I was 785 00:28:44,543 --> 00:28:47,177 able to get through all that antibiotic treatment, 786 00:28:47,336 --> 00:28:49,034 you know, the nausea and the 787 00:28:49,651 --> 00:28:51,886 the the the... It can really cause, you 788 00:28:51,886 --> 00:28:54,205 know, Low, moon. I I was able to 789 00:28:54,205 --> 00:28:56,269 get through and manage that really well with 790 00:28:56,269 --> 00:28:57,142 with using canvas. 791 00:28:57,857 --> 00:29:00,421 And is that, you know, a combination Thc 792 00:29:00,556 --> 00:29:00,952 Cbd? 793 00:29:01,523 --> 00:29:03,354 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I... For me, 794 00:29:03,433 --> 00:29:05,025 it was... It's, you, it's pretty much high... 795 00:29:05,423 --> 00:29:06,616 I used a lot of high Cbd flower 796 00:29:06,616 --> 00:29:08,208 and a lot of high thc flour. I 797 00:29:08,367 --> 00:29:09,640 I'm am not able to use edible. I'm 798 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,668 1 of those people that... I, could eat 799 00:29:11,887 --> 00:29:13,962 Yeah. And that nothing happens. 800 00:29:15,239 --> 00:29:17,235 That is generally the the best for people. 801 00:29:17,394 --> 00:29:19,150 Although, with when you have a lot of 802 00:29:19,150 --> 00:29:20,758 medications, that 1 of good things about canvas 803 00:29:20,758 --> 00:29:22,270 is you can use it in a method 804 00:29:22,270 --> 00:29:24,203 that's not going to try cause 805 00:29:24,896 --> 00:29:27,284 dangerous drug interactions we're we're by inhaling it. 806 00:29:27,443 --> 00:29:29,607 So you bypass the liver. That's, so that's 807 00:29:29,607 --> 00:29:30,802 1 a good advantage. 808 00:29:32,076 --> 00:29:34,068 But... Yeah. It really it managed pain. It 809 00:29:34,068 --> 00:29:34,546 helped me sleep. 810 00:29:35,661 --> 00:29:36,457 It can, 811 00:29:37,095 --> 00:29:37,254 help... 812 00:29:38,384 --> 00:29:40,763 You know, lower immune inflammation without lowering your 813 00:29:40,763 --> 00:29:42,747 immunity because steroid treatments when you have an 814 00:29:42,747 --> 00:29:44,968 infection aren't an option. Alright? So it's a... 815 00:29:45,126 --> 00:29:46,974 It, really fills in a lot of gaps 816 00:29:46,974 --> 00:29:48,888 for people with this kinda chronic illness. 817 00:29:49,526 --> 00:29:51,759 Yeah. No. And that's true cannabis in general. 818 00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:54,072 Right? It is very useful for sort of 819 00:29:54,072 --> 00:29:54,572 these 820 00:29:55,044 --> 00:29:55,943 tough to treat 821 00:29:56,719 --> 00:29:58,314 diseases. Yeah. It's not... It's... 822 00:29:59,191 --> 00:30:00,468 And anyway know, my... I do a lot 823 00:30:00,468 --> 00:30:02,382 of education for health professionals and then what 824 00:30:02,461 --> 00:30:04,057 I always start by saying is it doesn't 825 00:30:04,057 --> 00:30:05,609 cure anything. But it's 826 00:30:06,068 --> 00:30:08,965 it's so just the 1 of the best 827 00:30:09,104 --> 00:30:10,942 symptomatic treatments for almost everything. 828 00:30:11,422 --> 00:30:12,620 Mh. In many ways. 829 00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:15,819 Alright. Well, David, winding down here, 830 00:30:16,535 --> 00:30:17,671 any sort of 831 00:30:18,602 --> 00:30:20,669 closing thoughts or maybe things we didn't cover 832 00:30:20,669 --> 00:30:22,736 with respect to Lime or or the data 833 00:30:22,736 --> 00:30:24,578 that... I would say look for more. I 834 00:30:24,578 --> 00:30:27,357 am, myself and and the person dave David 835 00:30:27,516 --> 00:30:29,898 Berg that runs strain print, we're gonna be 836 00:30:29,898 --> 00:30:31,748 examining more symptoms, and and 837 00:30:32,615 --> 00:30:34,855 We're looking for academic partners to help, publish 838 00:30:35,095 --> 00:30:37,015 this stuff in the literature beyond you know, 839 00:30:37,095 --> 00:30:39,975 posters at conferences, but Be at more conferences 840 00:30:39,975 --> 00:30:42,466 with my posters as well So at the 841 00:30:42,466 --> 00:30:42,966 cannabis 842 00:30:43,584 --> 00:30:45,042 clinicians conference in 843 00:30:45,899 --> 00:30:46,777 October and Baltimore. 844 00:30:47,496 --> 00:30:47,974 And 845 00:30:49,092 --> 00:30:49,651 yeah. So... 846 00:30:51,178 --> 00:30:53,401 Excellent... No, the strain print database. Is that 847 00:30:53,401 --> 00:30:56,418 something that's publicly available or... The database is 848 00:30:56,418 --> 00:30:57,926 not publicly available The app is. 849 00:30:58,973 --> 00:31:01,435 And and you can certainly contact David Berg, 850 00:31:01,912 --> 00:31:03,898 he loves working with people and sharing the 851 00:31:03,898 --> 00:31:05,963 data and, and finding ways to get it 852 00:31:05,963 --> 00:31:09,623 out there. So I heard anybody... That's interested 853 00:31:09,623 --> 00:31:11,604 in looking deeper at the data and finding 854 00:31:11,604 --> 00:31:12,872 out if it can help them out too. 855 00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:15,839 Contact David berg or myself and, 856 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,400 or go through the stream print dot c 857 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:18,559 a, 858 00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:21,612 website. And... Yeah. It's a it's a Ray 859 00:31:21,612 --> 00:31:23,147 rachel. 1 of the largest 860 00:31:23,681 --> 00:31:25,056 databases of of natural 861 00:31:25,749 --> 00:31:27,101 cannabis data. He's got, like, 862 00:31:28,469 --> 00:31:29,289 I... So 863 00:31:29,828 --> 00:31:31,426 remember, I said nothing had ever been done. 864 00:31:31,666 --> 00:31:32,625 So when I asked them, 865 00:31:33,584 --> 00:31:34,383 do you have any 866 00:31:34,943 --> 00:31:37,900 any numbers of people diagnosed with like lime? 867 00:31:39,989 --> 00:31:41,983 Oh, like, 5000, 868 00:31:42,222 --> 00:31:43,179 over 5000. 869 00:31:43,419 --> 00:31:45,014 So the the end on this on these... 870 00:31:45,413 --> 00:31:47,247 Or we're over 5000. 871 00:31:47,566 --> 00:31:47,806 Yeah. 872 00:31:48,538 --> 00:31:51,321 So this he's good... There's, like, over 2000000 873 00:31:51,321 --> 00:31:53,411 data points, and he's like, like, 80000 874 00:31:53,786 --> 00:31:56,013 something in patients. It's it's pretty impressive. 875 00:31:56,664 --> 00:31:58,254 Yeah. No. That sounds like a great resource. 876 00:31:58,492 --> 00:31:59,844 I'd love to love to talk with them, 877 00:32:00,003 --> 00:32:01,355 love to have them out of Canada next 878 00:32:01,355 --> 00:32:03,422 year. Oh, yeah Yeah. Yeah. You should you 879 00:32:03,422 --> 00:32:04,297 should give me you should give me a 880 00:32:04,297 --> 00:32:06,536 call. Yeah. I definitely will. I hope we'll 881 00:32:06,536 --> 00:32:08,364 see you there too. Oh, yes. I will 882 00:32:08,443 --> 00:32:11,223 I will be there. Alright, David. Again, thanks 883 00:32:11,223 --> 00:32:12,097 so much for the time. 884 00:32:13,462 --> 00:32:15,210 Definitely put some links in the show notes 885 00:32:15,210 --> 00:32:17,116 for people to learn more about your work 886 00:32:17,116 --> 00:32:18,943 and and the other resources that you shared. 887 00:32:19,419 --> 00:32:21,008 And Yes. Send me an email. I'll send 888 00:32:21,008 --> 00:32:23,328 you. I'll send you some resources. I Awesome. 889 00:32:24,285 --> 00:32:26,199 And like I said, hope to see you 890 00:32:26,199 --> 00:32:28,113 down in in Cayman in again next year. 891 00:32:28,512 --> 00:32:29,948 Alright. Thank you, sir. Alright. 892 00:32:30,665 --> 00:32:30,905 Bye.