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I have an amazing person. His name is
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former Navy Seal. He's written 22 books. He
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around the world,
teaching people about,
to prevent
assassination in third world countries. He knows more.
It just we had this planned for a
couple weeks or a week and a half,
and then this... The thing happened over this
weekend with Donald trump.
And
he's an expert on assassination. And so we're
gonna talk about it in a very plain
raw language. We don't have a lot of
facts. And by the time this errors, we
we did this on Monday, so it's gonna
air on Wednesday. So by the time it
errors, maybe there's more fact that come out.
But we just... From what we've learned so
far a few things. We just think it
looks like in confidence. There's more going on
here and it spur conspiracy theory. We're gonna
talk a little bit about that. And then
we're gonna talk about his experience in the
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Hi, Don. Welcome to the program.
Thank you, Sarah. It's nice to be on
the show with you. Well, I'm so glad
that we did this, it's such great timing.
You...
You've... What you in 3 navy seals teams.
To be and you...
You're
so well respected. I, the navy seals I'll
respect you... First I gotta ask you, is
a navy seals kinda like up club. I
mean, do you guys all become like this
club of Navy seals.
It's like a f eternity
And some say it's the hardest opportunity to
get into even above the Nfl, but it
is close. It's
Really, as soon as you go through training
with some of the guys,
they're like family for life. Mh okay. Not
all family members get along that well, you
know, sure. Like family. Some guys don't get
along with other guys, you know, just for
personal reasons.
But they still like a family. It is
not.
I think everybody feels it as a family.
Know, 1 big
Your life is literally dependent on each other
and it changes you doesn't it.
You It does. It does change you in
a good way, I I believe. Mh. III
would think so.
But you're the... Perfect person I have on
right now because your last book was on
Assassins and why... What was the exact title?
Assassins and why they history was... Go ahead.
History is assassin.
History of assassins, and you actually went around
and taught people about this all over the
world.
And
And with this
incident this weekend this past weekend, you have
a lot of insight. And and so it's
just a perfect time. I I want... Talk
to you about more than just this,
but I have a lot of questions. Like,
my first initial reaction is sometimes thing doesn't
seem right? Because how in the world
could a
civilian be up on a rooftop,
a hundred yards away? I mean, how does
that even happen if they... If the security
detail is doing their job.
And it's not like it was some
professional assassin hit hitman. He was a 20
year old no nothing kid.
You know?
And he was seen crawling across the roof,
and he wasn't even almost trying to hide.
I it was
the there... I I agree with you. I
think there's a lot lot of questions that
haven't been answered. And I I also believe
we're probably not gonna get all the answers.
For sure. But, when... And and when you
go do a survey,
a site, survey for when a big event
like this is gonna happen at Trump rally
or anything like that. And I taught this
all over the world with 2 well known
people,
Jerry Par, who is Ronald Reagan's
secret service detail leader when Ronald Reagan was
shot. And Jerry jumped on him, put him
in the limo
late on top of him felt him and
then felt wetness under his arm.
He's said mister president, we have to go
to the hospital and Ronald Rad said, no,
I'll be okay as long as you get
off me, he kinda joked around. But he
did get nick, and as lungs were filling
with blood. Who in pardon,
Went against the president's orders and said, no,
We're going to the hospital.
And when they got to the hospital, Ronald
Reagan waved at some people and then collapsed,
And then joking, he had such a great
sense humor, he said,
well, as long as you're all of Republicans
you can operate on me.
But it Jerry saved his life, but Jerry,
if I could show you this. Yeah.
Jerry
and I... Used to go around the world
teach teaching
how to do in advance and how what's
that picture? Be. I don't wanna cut you
off. But you were gonna show us this...
Sure. It doesn't show up that great on
Zoom. If you can send me that. I
deal... Okay. I got
right here. Yeah. Okay.
And
But what you do is you do in
advance, you know where the site's gonna be,
and you do it over and over and
over in secret service. Stay in and day
out. We saw on Tv, what the inner
a circle. They inner a ring does to
protect and they make the human shield Yeah.
Around the present. Then they try to get
him off the as quickly as can.
And if there's life saving
techniques, they have to administer, they'll do that.
Like, for instance, if that was a carotid
that ar
they hit them in the carotid artery and
you're starting to bleed out. They would had
to get them right off the x pretty
quickly,
but it's
it's all these scenarios that played out.
But since
he he was conscious and you have to
take the he the protect D's,
the person and into play, what his character
is and what his instincts are because a
lot of residents and prime ministers
and high level people.
They'll they'll buck the system a little bit.
They won't go with what the secret service
is. But the secret service in this case
and Ronald Reagan's case. They they Trump, they
said this is what we're doing.
And
and so they there was what we saw
on Tv look pretty
good.
Not excellent. Or, that female couldn't find a
holt.
That just shows she's not used to hold
in a weapon. You should be able to
host without even looking.
Anybody who has to look down, and especially
look around. A h to a weapon,
they they're not experienced.
They
not experienced. And that's... And but they also...
I thought... The security service should cover them.
Right? And
they expose them? Because how do they know
that that was the only shooter that was
around. I mean, they there wouldn't... How do
they know there isn't some conspiracy going on,
and
that it they have to totally protect them,
Don't they? But It should do. Hey. And
like if he was exposed at the... You,
oh go ahead. He was. He... Yeah, You're
right. You're right. He was exposed. I don't
know if the podium was armored and not.
It was it was a bulletproof podium. I'm
not sure.
But regardless, this... Cover and conceal. The podium
was cover,
possibly if it was armored, but it was
only conceal if it was not armored,
But president Trump, he felt it on his
ear.
Sure his right ear, and he felt the
wiz go by. He he got nick in
the ear. But he knew to go down
right away. He he was so sharp at
that moment, he knew what to do. Now
if it wasn't an armed, at least he
had some conceal. But the secret service at
that point jumped on. There's that 1 guy
who went running around the stage. He was
right on on it. You know, he was
super at what he was doing. And they
jumped on them, and and that's probably why
shoes fell off, maybe it it was
almost violent because you have to quickly,
cover your protect e. And that's... They did
for the most part. The what I didn't
like here and is someone said, what do
we do next?
That's the worse thing you ever wanna hear
when you're protecting a
detail or protect e to say to hear
it when of your... In detail
members said, what do we do next? What
do we doing now? That was said,
and I was said by the female.
So in my opinion,
a whole government. Knew maybe was... Maybe she
wasn't a...
This was time on the job. I mean,
why was she so much less experienced.
And she might not be the only 1
that was lesser experienced. She might not be
the only 1, but those are 2 things
I just observed. She couldn't hold her a
weapon
quickly,
but you have to do bad. I don't
like to see that. I don't like to
see a female on. National stage not be
competent because I know there's a lot of
competent ones. So they keep.
There's.
And and the thing is,
yeah. I mean,
the the secret service director,
her her mandate is 1 third secret service
be female,
which is okay if it's based on merit,
but not if it's only based on being
female. I got it. Yeah. And when that
happens, it just...
And and when you just get signed
a position like this,
it has to be based on merit.
Has to be based like, wow. This person
is a shooter. This person done this in
the military. This person has done this before,
but not to apply and check the bar
female and get accepted. I I agree. I've
been fighting my whole life to be viewed
it for merit.
Just be for merit. That's it. And then
I'm fine. Yeah. And so when I see
that, I'd Like you're right? And there are
some exceptional female people out there. I mean
super exceptional females,
but she wasn't 1 of them. And how
do you be? So I I hit my
opinion is, and I could be wrong. I'm
just an observer, but my opinion is,
What we saw on Ti is good, but
now people are questioning, why was this 1
televised?
Why was this 1 televised? There's a lot
of... Questions. It just seems fishy. Some of
the stuff. It just...
And it creates conspiracies
because there's so many things that didn't seem
right.
Like, when you heard the shots, boom boom
boom boom, you heard the shots? Is 556
rounds. You heard the shot. You saw that
1 picture with the vapor barrier with the
round coming past his head. You saw that
And then you heard the secret service shooting
right back.
Our got to question it's weighing on me
now. 1 of the many questions.
Is if they fired back that quickly, that
means he was sight.
Yep.
They saw him
They didn't just
present get a shot up, and then come
up and see him and then shoot them.
I mean, it was second slip. A split
second later secret service returned fire.
So they had to have been watching him.
See, that's what I mean How... How is
he allowed to be there without 1 thing
that I've heard is that months before
Trump's team and Trump has I've been, asking
for better security that they don't feel that
they have proper security and that they were
denied. Is that what you've heard?
I heard that. Too. I I heard 2
things. I heard that they've been asking for
more secret service protection,
and they I didn't get it because of
funding. I heard that I also heard for
this particular mission for that up for his
talk. There the Trump rally that they got
what they wanted.
But I think there's a bigger picture like
Rf junior and his father was assassinated. His
uncle was assassinated.
Biden,
won't give him secret service protection. Even refused
protection. So I think maybe
they get lesser of protection
if if you're not on the... With the
Biden team. That it's my opinion right now.
That's just my opinion, You know, because our
K Junior. They he had an assassination attempt.
Someone snuck in 1 of his rallies, and
they stopped him before they pull the trigger.
Okay that was just... That didn't really get
any publicity.
Well, he's really That was Junior. He's really
at risk. I mean, like... Be clear.
It's Yeah. The fact that he's not getting
protection. They're doing everything they can to minimize
his public exposure, you know, from a media
standpoint.
And he is... If he had any exposure,
he'd be a legitimate candidate
overnight. You know, in we... Everybody knows that.
Yeah. And then, yeah. It it's and then
for
the the... So when you have a guy
like the president, yeah, president Biden,
he should be begin the top notch security.
But, it doesn't mean people under him like
When Obama was running here hit top notch
security.
R junior... They don't give it to him.
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Because, like you asked a couple times, how
does someone a hundred 30 yards away of
a building and invisible site. It's got the
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to get a good shot
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White he
Well, I don't think he would have missed
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assess someone who does assassination.
They they've got cover conceal. The hidden
And wars and wars, a sniper, you don't
even know where the shots coming from because
they're behind a broken down building with maybe
a little hole in the wall. They hit
up and that. And can't it from a
mile away? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And there's still
saying. And that's but he talked was a
simple simple shot. Really,
almost any non shooter
could have done that same shot. Same with
John f Kennedy,
Lee Harvey Oswald, his shot, I had a
friend who
secret service member, and the Fbi asked him
to do that shot all over just to,
you know, like,
his his books depository. Take the shot? Can
you get the shot? The cars coming around
the corner? See if you can get the
shot,
he said, basically,
I could have done it with, you know,
1 eye closed and 1 hand on the
weapon. That was such a simple shot. But
the shot that this guy did this 20
year old
president Trump,
former president Trump. It was a simple, simple
shot, from a close distance
and daylight and broad and broad view of
it. Thought... You would have thought he would
nail nailed them. But the Rf the
Kennedy, of course, the Kennedy
assassination is laced with
questions. And what, I mean, Right. That, there's
a lot of conspiracies
around that because of
the
the the voter... There's a p film being
Yeah there's just... So many details that
as you know, that are questionable with the
Kennedy want. And and have been proven to
be questions, You know, like, I had detective
the Ross sign on there saying he arrested
1 of the shooters.
And you know who he is detective Roth
time, Jimmy Boots. He he's like, I was
on the scene. I arrested 1 of the
shooters, and they told me to let them
go.
So
I'm boy. Yeah. So there's so many different
things that are...
As you know? I mean, you know. That's
a big question, mark. But so
what did you learn, like, when you went
around and you taught, about assassins. What were
1 of the things that you...
The big couple of the big takeaways from
it
Well, I should... I I wasn't teaching assassins
really, but I was teaching productive tales.
You weren't teaching people to be Assassins. Alright.
Correct. Not at that time...
Yeah.
That's funny. But
yeah. We would we would go... We tell
Todd Americans too,
especially, like, state police, people like that. But
the first thing you do is you have
to be very, very confident with your weapon
handling. Skills. So you spend a lot of
time on the range.
Handgun, long gone, shotgun. You spend a lot
of time on the range, so it's second
secondary. It's a secondary... You just react. You
just know how to react.
You you're trained to look at a person's
hands first, then their eyes.
Because they could be delusional or crazy something
You think that you can't make the judgment
just by looking at someone's eyes you look
at the hands because I can't do anything
unless you see the hands. Sure. And that's
on the line. You know, when you're shaking
hands with the candidate or whoever he is
prime minister the the king or the
president,
all the the spectators who come by and
meet and greet with these people, these Vip.
This the secret service detail in on the
left and right of this person and behind
them. And they're looking at everybody down each
side of the line and they're looking behind
them, and they've done the advance up front
is to make sure tall buildings or places
within
the distance where shock can be taken,
has been to checked out, and then they
have a counter sniper team, The count sniper
team,
that's the 1 who took out this 20
year old shooter.
The counter sniper,
when it was first introduced to me,
that there counter sniper, I I almost thought,
like, what's the point of that? It took
me a little while to understand this. This
was, you know, decades ago. But a account
sniper team, They're really great snipers.
And 1 of them my friends was the
world champion,
Sniper, the thousand yard irons, site, he's royal
champion night, and he was ahead of the
Count sniper team in the Us secret service.
And the count sniper team when they go
out on the advance
site they not only look at everything where
a sniper could be,
but they counter that sniper. So if... Yeah,
if there was a billing, you know, they
500 meters away. They would know if somebody
could be in there. They would check that
building out. But then they would also be
over here ready to have that shot and
case, a shot was from that building. I
mean, they they count a sniper looks at
every contingency
that a sniper could actually take a shot
from.
That failed miserably with president and Trump would.
It measures it... It it it's sold. It's
so incompetence.
And I know the real life. This is
a thing. Real life has incompetence in it.
Right? I, we all experience that. But this
level of incompetence
may is why the conspiracy theories exist. And
conspiracy theories aren't just.
Aren't early false. I mean, a lot of
conspiracy theories are true. Right? But that's why
these are coming up because it was so
bad.
Fairly it was terrible. It was after... And
and I again, like that book I wrote,
you know, history assassins.
If if some of these conspiracy theories prove
to be true or a thought to be
true. 1 of them is
maybe
maybe the shooter... We knew the shooter was
gonna be there. Maybe it's only Harvey oswald
type thing,
and maybe the Us ever,
running the country,
you know, Biden and company. Whoever it is,
maybe they wanna lock down the country. Maybe
they want put Martial,
Out, maybe they wanted to forget. Let's let's
okay. We gotta secure this country. Let's cure
it. And that way Trump gets more less
freedom. I mean, there's a lot of theories
coming out right now. We may never know.
We don't know what happened, you know, 11/22/1963,
with John Kennedy. We still don't know.
And I know president Trump was trying to
release that information, and I know R junior
was trying to get it released too, but
it is so safeguard.
I
would be really surprised if we find out
what happened what happened here president Trump's near
assassination. For sure...
Trouble. Oh my god. I... All it's gonna
come out is all these details that show
that there... It's a complete farce. And that
there's something more happening. And then that we
will never know what the true details are.
And I always say unless I'm in the
back, you know, because I just did a
us series on Fifth generation warfare and my
control. Like, unless we're in the back room
with the scientists in the studies, we don't
know exactly what they're trying to do all
we can go off of is is the
results of it or the actions of it
or what we see on the street.
We don't know. All we can come up
with some good hypothesis. And first what their
abilities are and maybe what they're trying to
do. But Right. Right. That's all we can
go on. That's right?
And especially when the the chute is killed,
we're not get information from him, and you
have to neutralize the fake don't know what
the next shot gonna be.
And then again, like you said, there could've
have been other threats there. And still could
have that weren't caught. We don't know that
either. You What do you think about the
shooter being in a black rock commercial? I
was like, what?
What is?
I I don't know if That says anything
other than it's just interesting, but
it
or he's involved in a a awoke... Crowd
that are anti... I mean I don't know
what that means.
Yeah And then it's... So that goes against...
You know, he's a he's a registered Republican
too.
But then he he made a 15 dollar
donation to a democratic cause.
I don't... I don't get it. And he's
just a young kid, from a couple hours
away from where the shooting wichita place.
Yeah. So everything just doesn't...
It just smells bad. Right?
So, okay. So when you were teaching about
how to... You're teaching third world countries how
to protect against assassins. Is there any kind
of theme that you saw?
That, and like, how often our governments involved
in the assassins or the opposing parties involved.
In the assassination attempts in third world countries.
You know, the Us has been involved
and trying to take up Castro. That's kinda
well known that we wanted to get rid
of him.
There was some,
attempts on Hitler, which would have been a
good thing.
But those those failed also.
So we've been involved on trying to take
out world leaders ourselves,
but who knows what happened with Saddam that
there was a couple assassination attempts on him.
We... It's not really out yet if the
Us just behind it or not. But the
Us has been involved in that type of
thing too. And we are the Us.
You can only imagine how many third world
and other neighbors have tried the same thing,
especially, you know, in the war torn countries,
you know, especially, you know what happened with
Russia with that guy, Wagner.
I mean, those those those assassins. I mean,
he
that, guy was hardcore. He went into the
prisons. He said, okay. You guys are all
gonna be killed here in this prison. Most
of your are murderers are on your last
leg, guy but I'll let you come on
my team mercenaries,
and you might... If you survive
where I'm putting you,
you might have another chance for life. And
that that was who
actually, he worked for Putin. He he did
a lot of Putin's dirty work.
All of... And that was... Working for Putin,
but he's doing that all over... Well, he
died. He got blown up in their in
the plane crash supposedly. But that that that
Wagner groups
operating big time in Africa right now. And
that is exactly what they're good at doing,
just the
assassination, killing people taking people out,
and they are hardcore,
and they don't really care about rules of
regulations, and they were so powerful. They were
they were putin's most powerful arm even though
they weren't
directly
officially linked because Putin couldn't officially be linked
with them.
They saw the groups like that, mercenary groups.
Isn't it like that? It at the... The
mercenary groups are really ruthless
and it's incredible. It becomes almost a... It
a war of the fit. It's just it
it's a mob scene.
It is, and it's always been there tool
since beginning a time really. A. It's in
the warfare,
there been maybe not call mercenaries back then,
but people who'd go out and their job
was to to kill people.
A lot of it was for political per
purposes.
Oh, pirates are the same thing. Right? They
are...
We just called them these bad guy pirates,
but they were...
They were used as mercenaries a lot of
times.
Yeah. And now there's more pi than ever.
Yeah. Especially out in somalia waters and places
it like that too. Well,
own pi he wants, and he it was
amazing. Going back women now I could tell
you this.
The most brutal pirate of all of history
was a female.
The And she was a Chinese muslim female.
And she was pushing in 700 ships.
She was feared around the world, but that
was like the most... Powerful pirate. Way I
had a black beard or anybody else. They
had to look or the the look that
you think of a pirate. But she was
she was a a female, and she was
the most feared of all pirates.
What's because she was just crazy. I mean,
it... And really
Yeah, Really, really smart. She hooked up with
a pirate,
and he was really good too, but then
she surpassed him after he died.
And,
she started taking over these ships and and
she was ruthless like, be headings, like, on
the spot if if they didn't.
Do what she's ordered.
And she she had, the rule of the
Pirate seat role for for years.
Well, that's why you can't just assume that
one's group or the other is are good.
You know, you can't be naive.
No. And Carlos Hath hancock, 1 of the
Us most respected snipers. I respect that guy
so much. He passed away a few years
ago. But he his booked rate over there,
but he had a book called 93 confirmed
kills.
And
and he he he had a hard time
getting, but he was he he assassinated some
generals and some high level people in Vietnam.
And he had sneak out for days, and
he had take the shot and sneak out
of those jungles, and he got away with
it. But the what are the hardest challenges
he had was what to the Apache lady.
And she was on the other side, North
Vietnamese
side, but she was a sniper,
and she was feared.
And she,
well, the Carlos troop was
ambushed,
and a lot of people were killed
and this apache lady
across the valley all the way up on
another hill was torturing 1 of his best
friends.
And
Carlos was on this hilltop.
She was on this hilltop,
and, she was brutal. She was brutal. So
she was torturing his buddy
that was captured,
and she cut off his eyelids since she
been beaten that juice in his eyes and
and she cut off other parts of room,
and and anyways, Carlos was seeing bits and
pieces of this, and then he finally got
her.
And but she was above there's so many
fear
feared women who are brutal just like men,
but just because they're are women and it
mean they can't they don't have the in
that they can still be a brutal brutal
murder assassin.
But,
there were 2000
Soviet women trained to be as us, sniper
in assessments 2000.
What, doesn't that make them almost a better
candidate for it if they have the talent
because they're not viewed by the general public
or by people as somebody that could be.
I mean, there's the stereotype.
And so they can get by
a little longer on
the camouflage.
Yeah. You'd be... You know, we... But man,
you call it, be the Gray man, Be
the 1 who nobody's gonna
suspect of you having these skills and talents.
But if you're a woman, it's even easier
to do that because like you said, yeah,
who's just gonna see that person walking down
the street and think that could be a
threat, nobody thinks they have it, and so
you... It ends up being a huge advantage
for them. Mh.
So you have to... Is part of training
is I remember I went to this spy,
museum in Washington, Dc. I went to that.
Yeah. And and 1 of the things they
said was that
you can't you gotta keep your eyes open
because this little old lady in there corner,
she might be the 1 that you have
to worry about.
Yeah. And, you know, and that's even like
Vietnam, the little lady would come up with
their sons. And then have a grenade and
throw it and and kill everybody. And I've
supports Iraq Afghanistan,
the men made the women go do that,
and, you know,
It's awful.
It is. It is. Because children go do
it. Right? Either. Yeah.
And Yep. They should do because,
also, you pull in the hearts strings. Like,
what,
normal human beings gonna wanna shoot a 7
year old boy. Actually going back to Carl
Hat hancock. He was he was asked to
shoot a little boy on a bicycle because
he is michael in a k 40 sevens.
And the baskets on the bike.
So this boy was coming up on the
bike and Carlos Hath hancock was asked to
take a shot and kill him. And Carlos
looked through the scope. He said, I can't
kill that little boy.
And so he shot the headset of the
bicycle and the bicycle kind of exploded
and the boy fell off and the ak
40 sevens everywhere, But then the little boy
picked up an 8 k 47 started shooting
in Spraying,
and so Carlos had to take him out.
But, yeah, when you have children or woman
that that is you don't expect them to
be the enemy.
But the way you have to train and
law enforcement and in the military
is you have to
not let fore brain resistance
prevent you from doing that, if you have
to, because you have to take out the
threat.
If the threat is little old lady, and
she's 85 years old,
and you come through a door for room
clearance, and she's sitting there with an ak
pointed at you,
a you have 1 option, You have to
take her out. Yep.
And if it's a boy or a girl,
you you have to look at them as
a threat. So you have to take out
a threat. But that's why the soldiers
need a lot of help
sometimes. Right? Because
if they're taking out little kids,
it it be it becomes something that really
affects their mind. Good people have a hard
time dealing with that.
That's so correct.
So we have this 4 brain resistance. We
were losing...
Okay. So back World war 1,
don't know the numbers off, but we were
shooting millions and millions around down range, and
the number of hits in kills.
For a really low ratio like, say let's
just say a hundred thousand to 10 or
something.
And then world war 2 the same thing
happened, lots of lots around down range, but
not that many kills.
Korea, the same thing was happened. But then
in Vietnam, we started losing,
They did a study like what is going
on? How come our troops are missing all
these targets, these people, the enemy.
And they did a a study and Colonel
David Gross talks about this in his books.
And it was it was found out that
a 18 year old boy a 17 Old
boy a 19 year old boy goes to
war.
And for whatever reason, political all religion and
or whatever, this country's is at war this
country,
new they can't get that pass that fore
brain resistance, and they don't wanna kill that
other 17 year old they're looking at. It's
not normal for people that want just kill
people.
And, unfortunately,
what happened
is,
okay. In law enforcement military we learned. Okay.
Start making threats
or targets when you're in the range, make
them realistic.
And if they are a threat with a
weapon or a bomb or something, That's a
threat. Just make it a threat and they
take them out. You could see this big,
big, big mean looking thug.
But if he's not a threat, it's you
don't take that person out.
So the military law enforcement since Vietnam have
been training differently with this realistic scenario based
training.
Unfortunately, for our kids,
especially in the Us, there are studies done
like, why do we have so many murders
in this country. Why are so many kids
in school shooting each other.
So
we
neutralize that 4 brain resistance a little bit
by saying those aren't people. Those are threats
take out the threat.
Unfortunately,
for all these computer games and movies
that kids are watching and when they kill
somebody. Wow. They get points or their girlfriend
take good job, they get some sort of
app praise.
And so now it's easy for kids to
get des
by watching or playing games where you are
killing people. In the game.
And so now our kids have become
too, which is
1 of the biggest reasons people fear
that our countries worse in other countries because
we were the first with all this gaming
with the... And so hyper you would think
because
Hollywood
is really the anti gun big anti gun
means in our country, but they're the 1
to put out all these games in the
movies.
Violence I always said, violence can be all
over the place, but we can't have...
Not that sexual stuff is... Is good either.
But if there's any kind of like sexual
stuff, it's rated r and it's really restricted,
but violence on a Pg can be everywhere.
And it's it's it's normalized, And I always
thought, why is this okay? And this other
isn't okay, Not that I'd like either, but
why is loving others? Not all... K, but
killing others is.
Even if you look back at early cartoons,
Wiley wrote, the road runner. Yes. You know,
at all the things that would kill those
cartoon characters.
We we learn at a early stage kill
about killing,
you And
car ties people. I love though correct. But
they never die though. The gut, the bunny
or the road runner, they get he gets
ran over and flattened ending his body just
comes with, you.
It's... I remember an interview with a young
kid. And he shot a, boy. I think
he was in fifth of sixth grade. And
they said, why do you shoot him? He
said, well, we had a fight and and
I wanted to beat the kid up. If
we fought out in the pavement, I would
have scraped up my knees, my pants would
have got ripped, it's just easier to shoot
somebody, like totally des.
Wow.
But that's almost like.
Right? Something like that. And that's... But we're
training psychosis. Right? Des
to being des
comes from violence or trauma or something. And
these video games are doing that same process
on these children,
but it's not coming from a trauma family
situation or a trauma something, it's coming from
a video game.
Right. Yeah.
Trauma Wow. Yeah. And it... But it's the
same
same psychosis.
Yeah. And same results. Yeah. And then our
military and law enforcement,
fortunately, they have that,
because...
Now they're able to defeat the enemy before
the enemy defeats them,
however it might be a criminal or a
terrorist or just some bad guy,
so... But
I I like also what you said earlier,
what what's happening now, if if you do...
I mean, Not... Okay.
I had a call with a friend of
mine a little while ago. He's a marine,
and he was crying.
And His father was a marine. I've known
him both real real well, and he was
crying and he couldn't even talk really, and
he was talking to me because his daughter
just... Turned 7.
And here's 1 of the... He was in
1 of these war zones where 7 year
old girl was killed.
And now he sees his own daughter who
7 and it just it just breaks into
pieces. Yeah. You can... It just flashes. He
has flashbacks style the other little girl died.
But imagine
it So right now first time in America's
history, hopefully the last time.
I mean, a lot of our
military people who came in right after...
2000, you know, 09:11 happened.
If they stayed in for 20 years, that's
a full career, which is now they're out,
but their entire live they've been at war.
Mh. And, you know, like, seals,
a lot of special forces, people delta force,
people like that. They've been overseas.
300 days a year for their entire adult
lives
around killing and their friends being killed and
their friends being wounded and them being wounded
and them killing a lot of people. I
I don't even have any... I can't even
fathom
what that does to there's the psyche of
the those minds
And, I don't think anybody can. Whatever Phd
titles are behind someone's name. I I don't
think it's... We can comprehend the damage.
That's being done to those who are also
taken lives on a daily basis because it's
war or its law enforcement
That's that's right.
You start to... You start to 1 or
2 if
we are...
Almost who mil
just in society, and it's this this nuance
situation where
we need to be, but we don't wanna
be. And so how do we deal with
that?
You know what I'm saying? Like, you don't
want your your peaceful society to always have
armored weapons around.
You don't.
You really don't.
And And, you know, I'm...
It's kinda funny. I might be 1 of
the only seal to think like this, but
I'm not a crazy gun guy. I I
have guns, of course, and I I'll I'll
I'll use them, if I have to, I'll
use them. But IIII
don't agree people should have guns unless they've
been trained. They know how to use them.
Because we have so many weapons out there
in the wrong hands of people. They've but
I also
understand
that if we take all the guns away,
which will never happen. But in a say
this hypothetical world where someone said, but Less
finally. We're gonna go door to door. We're
gonna get everybody's gun.
The only people are gonna have guns are
gonna be the bad guys. That's right. Only
people will have them be the bad guys.
And, you know, we just celebrate July fourth
the other day. If there weren't guns then,
we wouldn't have 1 that.
You know, our independence from the bridge.
So we we... And and and I like
the way there's a... I like the way
this was actually, I just was spent some
time with him a couple weeks ago, Ted
N mnuchin, who who's a big time gun
guy, and I loved his music. Or we
had such a nice time together. In Ted
N, I like the way he says it.
He said, well, a lot of people drowned
too.
We can't take the water away. This too
much of it. We can't take the border
away. So there are a lot of deaths.
A lot of them shouldn't be happening,
but we... We're not gonna be able to
get the guns away. I I do believe
that the right and left have to, you
know, the left just saying take away the
guns. Right just saying that there's all the
crazy. They need mental health. I really think
there's
some sort of a a solution in the
middle
where guns and weapons,
Have to be in the hands of those
who are trained, because I've trained people with
weapons all my life, and I've seen really,
really, really good people accidentally shoot people.
And,
people who aren't trained at all. I've been
at weapon shops and swap meets, gun shows,
I can't believe it. I don't have a
weapon well, I do have a weapon right
here. I mean, they they would hand up
a weapon, and they'd pointed it, you as
they're given it to you. I mean, they
they're breaking in every safety rule in the
book. And then the ones selling weapons and
and then the customers will queue take the
weapon and sweep people, things you can't do.
And so I don't even like being around
people with untrained people with weapons. Take because
something's bound to happen. Well, my dad, and
and I came to appreciate him later. He
trained, like, the lawyer. He was anna... I
train everybody on
on web hot to use a weapon. And
Remembering college, I didn't appreciate it, but then
I started under... I started learning about the
war.
Right? And I said oh, we need... And
I did a little mini documentary on guns
and on how the areas with more guns.
Have less violence. And really, it's only a
few neighborhoods in the areas that have no...
You, where you can't carry gun that's the
most I violence. It's really interesting when people
really look at it.
But
the hypocrisy of it, he was barred from
teaching people how to in our area where
in Minnesota, which is an extreme leftist organ...
You know, well just the majority of the
people don't agree was how this place is
being governed.
But they stopped allowing him to teach people
how to use guns. I mean, that's the
most peaceful thing I think you can do.
And I see a hypocrisy
across them like, they are also the more
most pro war people too right now.
And,
because of the military from what I understand,
they're the ones that don't want the wars
to keep the the soldiers coming back.
They're the 1... You know, they are the
Ron and Paul Voters who just said we
want a strong defense for defense, not for
offense.
But
the...
Like the Biden administration war after war after
war.
It seems like a hypocrisy that's just ingrained
in them and they can't see past it.
I couldn't agree more. In 19 91,
the gulf war, first gulf war. You know,
president Bush,
H Bush
George H Bush. He went in there, got
the Iraqis out of Kuwait and it was
success.
That was a success.
Panama, we went in there and got Nor
out
success. The last that a lot of people
killed for getting 1 personnel.
And then,
Somalia, you know, we lost quite a few
people. But the sad, part is, and
I almost even don't even like saying this
because I'm pro pro pro American.
And 21 years in the military than 24
years with the government. I am sole pro
American.
But I am so fed up with wars
and and needless wars because Vietnam, we went
in there, the French, so we went in
58000 people killed
10 years
to try to spread stop the spread of
communism from the north coming out of the
south. We walked away next week later, basically,
the north taken over the south...
And who knows how many close to over
a million up people are so were killed
in that. We lost 58000.
So we lost Vietnam.
And then
Afghanistan takes place. Yeah. Okay. So they had
some terrorist training centers in Afghanistan,
seals could take them out. We didn't need
it. 20 year war. And this is Republicans
and Democrats going in, you know, presidents
or Republican presidents or Democrats
keep the water going. Keep the war going.
And now I'm starting to learn why. And
then
I iraq. Saddam was saying, okay.
He's a bad guy. Hit 2 people at
the table and his sons U and who
say, they raped and killed a lot of
women fed the remains to the lions.
III lived with the his kurds for a
couple months there?
And my interpreter said, do you know why
all these kids have these boils and insist
all over I said, no. Why. Said because
Saddam when he cast his people when he...
The gas he used on the kurds, it
passed down in the Dna. So the kids
again, all this stuff stuff too.
So Saddam went around the world, telling all
his enemies. I have weapons of mass destruction.
He did use him on the kurds. We
know that then our military is finding components
all over the all over this countryside. And
I would there right after the invasion,
and
So we were sure. And president
what George w bush.
He went in there because we were just
hair on 09:11. I stand why we went
in and with him saying he's got the
weapons of mass destruction, seeing the kid seeing
the component,
but I
absolutely don't know why we stayed for 20
years. We just kept killing people and they
kept killing us and we lied.
So we've lost these big wars were in
and now and now We could've have won.
Right? If we would have been strategic and
tactical about it. Yeah. We took out adam
saddam without any aftermath or... What's gonna happen
without the bath party. And now there just
be a war Kill each other forever, who
knows. But at least Saddam that brutal dictator
was keeping his country somewhat contained.
And when we took him out and destroyed
that party.
There's no containment anymore. They're... He was better
than what we gave them. Right? I mean,
he... That's the thing. Yeah. He sure was
And then, you know, for Ukraine, get, the
the highest numbers I've seen 700000
people killed in just over 2 years. 700000.
We thought 58000 was lot in Vietnam, but
Ukraine,
700000
on the high end maybe 500000
on the low end, not to mention the
millions of people who are wounded
on They, Russia was trying over and over
and over to make peace with us. He
said, just don't take these countries. Don't make
them nato. I can't have nato people on
my border. Okay? You took these 50 and
you talk these 16, you can't take Ukraine.
You will not have Russia or Chinese troops
on your border, I can't have you on
my border. That Don't do it. Don't do
it. Here's a peace agreement. We ripped it
up.
Boris. We didn't.
Yeah. And then we... But we also had
200000 troops on the Russian
border as if we are bait them on
to try to get a war to start.
But And I believe we wanted a war.
I believe we really wanted a war. And
and now I'm starting to learn a little
bit more. Our G deep,
and I can't basis this on fact. But
our Gdp,
what the reason we're so powerful as a
country is our Gdp is high. Yep. But
50 10 of it up to 50 percent
could be based on the sale of Rockets,
missiles and warfare fighting equipment.
Now we put all these sanctions on Russia,
and I iran.
Russia says, bring on the more sanctions. You're
not hurting us. As matter of fact, Our
Gdp is higher than yours now. They're 1
of the strongest countries coming out of this.
We've lost big time. We lost Ukraine.
As all we told Ukraine is we'll keep
sending you funds. We don't want any Americans
killed on your soil, but we'll send you
all these funds and the weaponry,
and most corrupt country in the world, basically.
Si is making pocket so much money.
And, yeah. You're 700000
or so kill that that that might that
might make our news, but we'll just keep
funding this for.
And we've lost that a long time ago.
They won't even mention that on our news.
The people that are being killed that whole
generation of people being killed, and then they're
just... They have to pay back those owns
and they're selling off their land anyways to
multinational corporations. I those poor people. It just
says... It's a total fiasco.
Owns Yeah. And Putin could have been a
lot more aggressive and gone all the way
into the kiev, but he he doesn't want
to all that as a problem. He just
needs... When the Soviet Union was there, there
was a big buffer between Europe,
all the Soviet Union countries and Moscow. Now
they're come right up on Moscow,
and we're taking these countries and putting missiles
in rockets pointing toward Russia.
You can't blame him,
I mean, we would any country would do
what he's doing. And,
right now, he... It doesn't mean he's a
good guy. Right? It just bad guy. We
would be doing the same thing. That's what
I... Try to tell people, you shouldn't be
a food ap
like, I...
Just because I recognize how stupid we're being,
and then I would do the same thing.
He and doesn't mean A putin apologized.
No.
No. He's he's a he's a bad... He's
a Kgb bad guy, but he... He's... Doesn't
a good guy for their country for the
most part. He's pro.
I I agree with that... Yes. Yeah. He
has done really good for their country. When
you analyze what they've... Done? Because I spent
you're exactly right. Because I spent a couple
days just saying, okay. What has he done
for Russia. I was a Russian? I'd like
him. Done
I would too... I respect them as
as a Russian leader.
Mh. And that's how Russians think the gas,
and I mean, they... They're different than we
are. You know,
in the Middle East, they do the be.
Russia does,
you know, supposedly that the gap... We know
he's gas people, his own people and poisoned
his own people.
What, you know what's awful to think about
as an American
blessings Putin will bring this out. Putin will
say,
okay. I'll speak for China. I'll speak for
Russia. Look at all the countries we've attacked
in last 30 years, and list is about
this big,
look at all the countries of Yours Attack
in the last 30 years and look at
the millions of people you guys. Killed. I
get blamed for gas a number of people,
a handful of people, look at the millions
of people you guys killed for nothing. What
you get out of it?
It's And now we keep poking at him
poking at him, and he's got 5000 nuclear
weapons.
I.
He says, I am at the point where
I'm allowed by world order to use my
nuclear weapons, my tactical nuclear weapons. If you
guys keep pushing me, I am gonna use
my... And we're we're pushing into a nuclear
war. But they they can win it.
Right that these idiots... These idiots think they
can win attack. To nuclear war. I do
too. I think so to... Because they have
the mentality that the Us can do no
harm.
Norway or the highway, everyone else listened to
us because we would like that up until
91.
But now China has progressed so much. Russia
has progressed. Norway Iran has progressed, North Korea
has progressed, and everybody's progressing. Our militaries as
weak as it's ever been since World war
2.
Nobody wants to be recruited anymore. The recruitment
levels lower than ever and this
generation.
This woke
generation. People don't... I mean, I I... It's
very, very rare. I'll see a young person
who would feel good about him or her
going to defend our country.
It's rare to see that anymore.
I coach was in an Ad and we
Oh, I'm signed the little 2. You know,
the Pearl Harbor came. My father is 2
brothers and a sister that he quit high
school all went right toward because that's what
you have to do. They came home after
fighting for 4 years and at Brutal World
war 2,
went right back to work. No complaints. No.
I got Ptsd. I can't do this. They
went right back to work. That was a
hard generation. They I think every generation since
is getting softer and softer and softer. Now
we have people, okay. The military, we gotta
make sure that we're offering transgender
operations. Or hormone on replacement. So the military
will pay for.
Those little boys want to become little girls.
That's what our military,
it's it's... We're not gonna we're not gonna
survive with this... The way we're going.
So even in the tough... You know, I
coach kids, and so I saw a lot
of really great kids. Right? In sports, and
especially this with the the the elite sports
where they really get good. They have to
have a different mentality. Right?
Those kids are probably the ones that could
go off and and fight But they're surrounded
by this other mentality. So they struggle to
maintain
this integrity that they've been bread into, you
know, that they they inherently have. They struggle
because... And they feel alienate. That's something I
get a lot from these young ones is
they feel alienate
because the people around them don't think like
that.
I could see the how that would be.
The only time I come across Kids like
you get to coach is, you know, people
wanna go in the military or something. And
Every now and then I am so impressed,
but
I'll do talks and
talk to some kids and
I'm just so disappointed. So often. It just
seems like, the wave is going against what
we need. Well, that why I love Navy
Seals because they have that same mentality that
I'm talking about. I mean, they're at they're
at the peak. There... I don't coach kids
anymore. I I miss the that's why aspect
of it. You... Because I'm so busy doing
what I'm doing. But it's... That's why I
like,
talking the navy seals in that. It's just
that your integrity of
doing what it takes to to be good
and to to get things done.
And it's it's a lost art almost. It's
just not
common.
The the the message I like to give
to... Kids nowadays,
1 to a wanna hear it
is,
I said if you wanna be... A lot
of times I got calls from father's and
uncle and things saying my son and my
brother, somebody who wants to be a seal.
So I've been getting this these calls for
30 years or so, and it doesn't taken
me a while to figure out what to
tell these people. But now,
I tell them it's so only 4 things
you have to do in life, only 4
things.
It's So we'll say if you wanna be
a seal or marine or fighter a pilot
or a football player, but let's just use
the example seal. If you're asking me how
to be a seal. Really, All you have
to do is 4 things and it's simple,
and you'll become a seal if you don't
get hurt. And 1 is every day, just
do something that makes you do stronger,
and they'll wanna work workout plan and said,
no. If you have to ask for the
plan, you're not strong. You gotta go find
it out, you find out a good workout
plan, but you figure out how to get
stronger each and every day.
Number 2, each and every day do something
to make yourself faster. So if you wanna
be a sealed, you gotta be a runner,
do stronger art to he'll repeats,
do sprints in the pool, but every day
and measure it, make sure you're getting faster,
every day do something to make yourself faster.
And the best traveling in the world told
me this, when I asked him how he
stayed in such good shape. He said he
works out every day of the year. So
I did that for over 20 years without
a day off. And so that's kind of
got me thinking like, every everyday, do something
make it stronger. Every everyday something faster.
And if it is a seal you wanna
be every everyday do something to make yourself
smarter. In that category. So go and see
what the guys were doing in World war
2 in Career in Vietnam and Iraq and
Afghanistan
89 countries there were now, learn to shoot
and learn to die Sky I and learn
to dive, learn to navigate, do all that
stuff. Just get smarter every day. And most
importantly, I always tell them. Every day do
something good for somebody.
So if you see the man across the
street, empty and his trash, go help him.
Go help him break his yard to help
your mother do the dishes, or just help
somebody every day because if you're 12 and
I'm telling you this. So if you're 18,
it doesn't really matter at the age.
But when you go to selection or you're
going to camp, and they're looking at you
compared to all the other people. You just
might be 1 of the strongest if not
the strongest person there. You might be the
fastest
and you might be the smartest.
And most importantly, you're the 1 everyone wants
on their team because all you know is
doing good for people.
And that message when I talk to young
kids, they say, well, I don't really need
to be strong than what I wanna to
do. I said, but you can be a
stronger leader,
or you could be a stronger organized
That's why I don't really need to be
fast. It's well be more efficient. If this
is what you do for If you're a
bank, or I do this talk for bank
lot. If you're a banker, sir can you
do your job more efficient, just become a
more efficient banker, become a stronger banker or
become a stronger leader, become a stronger follower.
Just get stronger
and get smarter at banking, whatever you doing
in the banks, you know, And, of course,
help your team.
And
that that that when I talk to kids,
I like tell them that. Because I... There's
like, a little light that goes on, like,
yeah. That's... Not that hard because it's not
hard to do those 4 things every day.
Well, and I think
for me and I... Love hearing us, and
it can apply to any field. They like
the fact that you talked about a banker
or anything that you do. But it also
allows you to be able to sleep love
better at night. You're just more at peace,
I think.
Yeah. IIII
couldn't agree with that more? Because you go
to best, good. What a good workout that
was? I love that documentary. I just... I
learned so from that documentary,
and I'm so happy to help you like
in my case. I hope this man it.
Up the road. He's 84 years old, and
I love helping him.
And you just go to bed, like, what
a good day.
And, yeah. And I love that feeling. He's
And if you... If some of those things
don't happen and like, man. I kinda wasted
part of the day, I've I gotta a
make up for tomorrow.
Well, yeah. I always... Feel like can be
better.
Yeah. Sure. How can I be better? But
gosh, This is such a great conversation. How
can people
you've wrote feel you wrote 22 books. I
mean, you're just... You do amazing where you're
20 to eat. I've heard from others.
You're...
Yeah mean you're the navy seal seal. Like,
you're somebody that the Navy seals look up
to, which is just a... That's such a
compliment. I can't tell you. So like can
they shouldn't. I mean, there's so many other
seals you know looking up to than me,
but I mean, I thanks for saying that.
Well, I think it's so great. So how
do people... You have 22 books? You have
television shows? You have all these things, How
can people
get your book? Watch your shows. I mean,
where where can people follow you?
I think if you if you Google my
name, to Dawn mann, Navy Seal, that stuff
shows up on Google. But I have a
website,
and it's
Us Frog man,
Us F g and man with 2 n's
like my last name, so yours s dot
com that's
my website. And it does show the Tv
shows in the booked and the training and
things.
Well, thank you thank you so much for
coming us. Nice to meet you like this
Yeah. Very nice to meet you. And thank
you. So thank you for everything you're doing.
We need strong characters right now.
That's exactly what we need. We need strong
character with integrity, and that's what's going to
lift our country out of the mess we're
in.
Oh, sarah, thank you for everything you're doing
and getting the word out like you do
you you doing such a great job and
just such a professional. And you're making a
difference.
Thank you. I I actually really you that.
So thank you. Have a wonderful day. Thank
you, sarah.
Bye. Bye bye.
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