1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:01,659 It's the brew 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:02,620 podcast. 3 00:00:03,639 --> 00:00:06,200 Tom Barkley is joining us again. Hey. Hey 4 00:00:06,359 --> 00:00:08,539 Hey. Great man, a great brew 5 00:00:08,919 --> 00:00:11,008 and a just all around great radio guests 6 00:00:11,008 --> 00:00:13,797 from then see brewing, Don Barclay. Good to 7 00:00:13,797 --> 00:00:16,028 see you again, buddy. Absolutely. Hey, it's my 8 00:00:16,028 --> 00:00:17,714 pleasure and any time that you have a 9 00:00:17,714 --> 00:00:19,225 show that has something to do with beer 10 00:00:19,225 --> 00:00:19,725 here. 11 00:00:21,373 --> 00:00:25,031 It'll be every week. Say thursday be every 12 00:00:25,031 --> 00:00:27,597 third time. It is the drive brew brought 13 00:00:27,597 --> 00:00:30,150 to you by Russian River brewing and the 14 00:00:30,150 --> 00:00:31,346 victory house in Santa Rosa. 15 00:00:32,622 --> 00:00:34,696 Okay. Here linda, That'll turn it to you 16 00:00:34,696 --> 00:00:35,196 from 17 00:00:35,509 --> 00:00:37,027 right now. Just real quick speaking beginning of 18 00:00:37,107 --> 00:00:38,546 Russian bringing our sponsor. 19 00:00:39,505 --> 00:00:41,822 Natalie sent me a message and she said 20 00:00:41,822 --> 00:00:43,181 this is so. I went take my dad 21 00:00:43,181 --> 00:00:44,314 to this because he's gonna love it. This. 22 00:00:45,349 --> 00:00:47,179 Advanced to the Race, and I'm a Nationals 23 00:00:47,179 --> 00:00:48,850 at Sonoma Race way that are this kind, 24 00:00:49,407 --> 00:00:51,716 July 26 through 20 eighth, so the weekend 25 00:00:51,716 --> 00:00:53,716 app or our beer festival. So you can 26 00:00:53,716 --> 00:00:54,113 do both. 27 00:00:54,748 --> 00:00:56,813 Russian river brewing in windsor will have 2 28 00:00:56,813 --> 00:00:59,354 top fuel drags in 1 funny car on 29 00:00:59,354 --> 00:01:01,260 display from 4 to 7PM 30 00:01:01,260 --> 00:01:03,751 or 3 time world champions Ant anton Brown, 31 00:01:04,151 --> 00:01:06,468 owner driver, the Mat Drags and Ron caps, 32 00:01:06,628 --> 00:01:09,025 owner driver of the Napa, auto parts Funny 33 00:01:09,025 --> 00:01:10,715 car will be there to meet people. Joining 34 00:01:10,715 --> 00:01:11,433 us is Renee. 35 00:01:12,231 --> 00:01:13,986 She is with New A and B brewing 36 00:01:13,986 --> 00:01:16,275 company. He acknowledged to be the first post 37 00:01:16,954 --> 00:01:17,933 prohibition micro 38 00:01:18,792 --> 00:01:21,290 in the United States, and the return of 39 00:01:21,509 --> 00:01:24,626 Don Barkley from Mend Brewing? Don. What's new 40 00:01:24,626 --> 00:01:25,585 with Mend Brewing. 41 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:28,476 Well, you know, it was a few years 42 00:01:28,476 --> 00:01:31,033 ago that Men Brewing slid under the waves. 43 00:01:31,912 --> 00:01:34,170 You know, and those those things happened. And 44 00:01:34,244 --> 00:01:36,082 it was a great brewery, a great run. 45 00:01:36,322 --> 00:01:38,159 We made red tail, ale. I have a 46 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:39,997 hawk blue hair and all those great beers. 47 00:01:40,157 --> 00:01:41,515 You know, I knew all this because we 48 00:01:41,515 --> 00:01:42,722 talked. About it last time you were on. 49 00:01:43,039 --> 00:01:44,650 But somebody wrote 50 00:01:45,023 --> 00:01:47,642 Don Barkley from Mend you brewing, which is 51 00:01:47,642 --> 00:01:50,440 true. Yes. Yes. About but when you're as 52 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,593 old as I, and you forget stuff. But, 53 00:01:52,672 --> 00:01:54,926 of course, we know that. But well, absolutely 54 00:01:54,984 --> 00:01:57,216 because, you know, really where I cut my 55 00:01:57,216 --> 00:01:57,535 teeth. 56 00:01:58,027 --> 00:02:00,570 Was that I started that at the new 57 00:02:00,729 --> 00:02:02,954 A Brewing company. Of course. As you said, 58 00:02:03,113 --> 00:02:04,861 the very first micro burrito to open up 59 00:02:04,861 --> 00:02:07,184 in the United States since prohibition If you... 60 00:02:07,423 --> 00:02:09,980 The end of prohibition happened in 19 33. 61 00:02:10,220 --> 00:02:11,578 Yeah. 3334, 62 00:02:11,897 --> 00:02:13,655 which is. 19 76. 63 00:02:14,055 --> 00:02:15,110 09:40 64 00:02:15,110 --> 00:02:17,110 years, there were no nope recently in the 65 00:02:17,270 --> 00:02:19,110 United States. And, of course, Jack Mc macarthur 66 00:02:19,110 --> 00:02:21,669 started the new A brewing company in Sonoma, 67 00:02:21,830 --> 00:02:25,118 California, it was wonderful. Bowl. And that's why 68 00:02:25,118 --> 00:02:26,873 it's really special to be here today because 69 00:02:26,953 --> 00:02:29,026 I have Renee right here what happens to 70 00:02:29,026 --> 00:02:31,259 be, Jack's daughter is really funded. 71 00:02:31,817 --> 00:02:32,317 Crazy 72 00:02:32,869 --> 00:02:34,867 Well you come with us, Dawn to go 73 00:02:34,867 --> 00:02:37,265 look at the site, since you work there 74 00:02:37,265 --> 00:02:40,062 in sonoma. While she's here. It's drape around. 75 00:02:40,381 --> 00:02:41,980 Oh my gosh. We should totally do that. 76 00:02:42,394 --> 00:02:44,547 I might be able to do... Jack find 77 00:02:44,547 --> 00:02:46,621 you to to be because customer. I don't 78 00:02:46,621 --> 00:02:48,535 know that. Oh, you don't know. I don't. 79 00:02:49,014 --> 00:02:50,768 It was pretty funny When I first started 80 00:02:50,768 --> 00:02:52,780 to go to the universe to the California 81 00:02:52,939 --> 00:02:54,159 Davis. Mh my 82 00:02:54,780 --> 00:02:55,280 studying 83 00:02:55,740 --> 00:02:56,460 fermentation science. 84 00:02:57,900 --> 00:03:00,675 My lead professor, on doctor Michael Lewis 85 00:03:01,429 --> 00:03:01,746 said, 86 00:03:02,619 --> 00:03:03,730 you know I asked him how can I 87 00:03:03,730 --> 00:03:05,159 get a job in the brewing industry, Blah 88 00:03:05,238 --> 00:03:06,587 Blah? He says, well, you have long hair, 89 00:03:06,746 --> 00:03:07,699 So you're gonna have to cut your hair 90 00:03:07,699 --> 00:03:10,105 and I said no. No. I'm gonna cut 91 00:03:10,105 --> 00:03:10,584 my hair. 92 00:03:11,463 --> 00:03:12,820 And he said, well, you might wanna go 93 00:03:12,820 --> 00:03:15,294 see this odd character that's over in Sonoma, 94 00:03:15,454 --> 00:03:17,051 California guy by the name of 95 00:03:18,339 --> 00:03:20,643 Jack the call if Yeah. He comes over 96 00:03:20,643 --> 00:03:22,232 and he goes through the all the books 97 00:03:22,232 --> 00:03:24,138 in the library about brewing, 98 00:03:24,694 --> 00:03:26,099 and you might go talk to. So I 99 00:03:26,298 --> 00:03:26,853 over to 100 00:03:27,408 --> 00:03:28,993 Sun sonoma and I walked through the door 101 00:03:28,993 --> 00:03:30,579 and Jack was sitting there. At is big 102 00:03:30,579 --> 00:03:33,433 desk in a little tiny room. Great big 103 00:03:33,433 --> 00:03:35,192 desk. But a tiny room. And I said, 104 00:03:35,350 --> 00:03:37,253 Jack, I wanna brew for you. And he 105 00:03:37,253 --> 00:03:38,918 looks at me. And you look... And he 106 00:03:38,918 --> 00:03:40,662 just sort looks up and down and just 107 00:03:40,662 --> 00:03:42,908 says get out of here. And you just 108 00:03:42,908 --> 00:03:45,065 like, you know, leave, Don't even bother me, 109 00:03:45,144 --> 00:03:46,822 just get out of. Really. Don't feel bad. 110 00:03:46,982 --> 00:03:48,340 He said the same thing to Ken Gross. 111 00:03:48,580 --> 00:03:50,748 Oh, which Ken talks about. No doubt. Yeah. 112 00:03:51,227 --> 00:03:52,742 I went back to the new Audi brewing 113 00:03:52,742 --> 00:03:54,497 company a couple months later and the person 114 00:03:54,497 --> 00:03:56,252 that was sitting at that desk was a 115 00:03:56,252 --> 00:03:58,539 gal by the name of Susie Stern. So 116 00:03:58,659 --> 00:04:00,814 Susie Dennis. And I told her I'll work 117 00:04:00,814 --> 00:04:01,612 for free. And, 118 00:04:02,649 --> 00:04:04,086 I need something to do for the smile. 119 00:04:04,405 --> 00:04:06,400 And so for a case of beer a 120 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,879 week, which was the perfect payment for a 121 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:10,944 guy in college. Right. I got a case 122 00:04:10,944 --> 00:04:12,294 a beer a week and they're really good 123 00:04:12,294 --> 00:04:14,200 beer. Really good beer, and I had make 124 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:14,677 it myself. 125 00:04:16,129 --> 00:04:17,970 Know, you know Jack Mc, And 126 00:04:18,529 --> 00:04:19,350 you have 127 00:04:19,970 --> 00:04:21,649 his recipes or at least some of them. 128 00:04:21,810 --> 00:04:23,569 Right? Yeah. I wouldn't no. That's what we're 129 00:04:23,569 --> 00:04:26,606 tasting. What you brew from that right. Jack 130 00:04:26,765 --> 00:04:29,568 Mc macarthur recipe. Yeah. It's really interesting because 131 00:04:29,703 --> 00:04:31,927 and it was lovely being able to help 132 00:04:31,927 --> 00:04:33,529 brew this beer because we did it up 133 00:04:33,529 --> 00:04:35,036 at the Wolf house Brewing company. 134 00:04:35,591 --> 00:04:37,733 Kevin love it is the brewer up there. 135 00:04:37,971 --> 00:04:41,168 Is that Mend? Yes it's actually the northern 136 00:04:41,168 --> 00:04:43,479 part, the northern most town in Sonoma County. 137 00:04:43,718 --> 00:04:46,769 Kevin Love it, happens to be Michael Love 138 00:04:46,827 --> 00:04:47,066 sun. 139 00:04:47,718 --> 00:04:50,578 Michael Love is my dear friend, and he 140 00:04:50,578 --> 00:04:52,643 started at the new A brewing company as 141 00:04:52,643 --> 00:04:55,282 well. Yeah. And he actually... Good how to 142 00:04:55,282 --> 00:04:57,434 make beer and to do it properly not 143 00:04:57,434 --> 00:04:59,506 because he was trained, but because he made 144 00:04:59,506 --> 00:05:02,865 tofu ice cream before that. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. 145 00:05:03,103 --> 00:05:05,402 It's some in in San Francisco. I have 146 00:05:05,402 --> 00:05:06,432 to say no thanks on that. 147 00:05:07,304 --> 00:05:08,968 Don't save me a seat for the tofu 148 00:05:08,968 --> 00:05:11,053 ice cream. But go ahead. Tofu ice cream 149 00:05:11,053 --> 00:05:13,530 in 19 80. Oh. Don't think it was 150 00:05:13,530 --> 00:05:16,566 good. Don't panic. It's organic. So Michael love 151 00:05:16,566 --> 00:05:17,445 it had a son. 152 00:05:17,939 --> 00:05:19,375 Kevin, and he was born, 153 00:05:19,933 --> 00:05:22,247 the very first summer that the Mend casino 154 00:05:22,247 --> 00:05:24,720 brewing company was in Mend you. Right. 155 00:05:25,373 --> 00:05:28,741 In Hoffman, California. And So Heaven is now 156 00:05:28,879 --> 00:05:30,790 old enough to be making his own beer 157 00:05:30,790 --> 00:05:33,034 and own oath small little 158 00:05:34,386 --> 00:05:36,532 brewery and Clover ale, the Wolf house brewing 159 00:05:36,532 --> 00:05:37,804 company. So we were able to catch you. 160 00:05:38,281 --> 00:05:39,576 Jack Mc macarthur recipe, 161 00:05:40,284 --> 00:05:42,596 And I said, Kevin, you gotta brew this 162 00:05:42,596 --> 00:05:45,148 beer. It's part of your heritage, and so 163 00:05:45,148 --> 00:05:47,142 he came up with the... That is... New 164 00:05:47,142 --> 00:05:49,215 album pay ale for the original... 165 00:05:50,029 --> 00:05:50,850 Book that 166 00:05:51,230 --> 00:05:53,870 Jack. There was anything changed when you made 167 00:05:53,870 --> 00:05:56,189 it? And did you do any tweaking? Where 168 00:05:56,189 --> 00:05:58,681 we did tweak it just a little does. 169 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,791 Yeah. We used the same hops, which are 170 00:06:01,791 --> 00:06:04,184 cascade and cluster gas hops. As important. Yeah. 171 00:06:04,423 --> 00:06:05,939 That's an important part of the whole thing. 172 00:06:06,019 --> 00:06:08,025 We didn't use very many hops I think 173 00:06:08,025 --> 00:06:10,567 the Ib used, the bitterness units and this 174 00:06:10,567 --> 00:06:13,108 is about 20 to 25, something like that. 175 00:06:13,585 --> 00:06:15,491 But we do put just a little bit 176 00:06:15,491 --> 00:06:17,254 of dry hopping in some of the those 177 00:06:17,254 --> 00:06:19,735 cascade later in the fermentation just to pop 178 00:06:19,735 --> 00:06:20,375 it up a little bit. 179 00:06:21,175 --> 00:06:21,495 Otherwise, 180 00:06:21,975 --> 00:06:24,694 this would be so old school that everybody 181 00:06:24,694 --> 00:06:26,375 you know What is? This 1 of the 182 00:06:26,375 --> 00:06:27,741 finest beers I've ever tasted. 183 00:06:28,297 --> 00:06:30,204 I'm serious, man. I am blown away by 184 00:06:30,204 --> 00:06:31,554 this. It's new A pay. 185 00:06:32,349 --> 00:06:34,732 That's why it was successful. And when Jim 186 00:06:34,891 --> 00:06:35,844 Cook introduced it, 187 00:06:36,574 --> 00:06:38,732 to the masses again in 2012 188 00:06:38,732 --> 00:06:41,449 when Boston beer brew, your recipe, Don. 189 00:06:42,408 --> 00:06:44,906 He introduced as the iconic column 190 00:06:45,685 --> 00:06:46,656 of beer. 191 00:06:47,291 --> 00:06:49,460 It's a standard, like, think of the Greek 192 00:06:49,595 --> 00:06:51,979 iconic column. Very cool. So Yep. It it 193 00:06:51,979 --> 00:06:54,703 is the standard bearer. Well, that's what it 194 00:06:54,703 --> 00:06:56,700 is. It's a basis for all the beers 195 00:06:56,700 --> 00:06:58,697 and we can have all the Ipa and 196 00:06:58,697 --> 00:07:00,135 everything else that's got way too much chops 197 00:07:00,135 --> 00:07:00,295 in it. 198 00:07:01,663 --> 00:07:04,447 That you want, but you know, just to 199 00:07:04,447 --> 00:07:07,016 sit down and have a really nice parallel. 200 00:07:07,391 --> 00:07:09,897 Yes. Do you know my dad calls today's 201 00:07:10,990 --> 00:07:12,743 beers that are made with? I can't we 202 00:07:12,743 --> 00:07:15,329 hear this? You know, made with cinnamon? And 203 00:07:15,468 --> 00:07:17,543 cardamom a mom and gosh, And knows what 204 00:07:17,543 --> 00:07:20,336 else. He calls them Hula hoop beers. He 205 00:07:20,336 --> 00:07:21,692 says I don't want a Hula hoop beer. 206 00:07:22,171 --> 00:07:24,815 I want an ale a porter or a 207 00:07:24,815 --> 00:07:27,522 stout. Yeah. There go. There you go. Just 208 00:07:27,522 --> 00:07:29,273 give me a really nice beer to drink 209 00:07:29,273 --> 00:07:31,279 on a on a warm day or. A 210 00:07:31,279 --> 00:07:33,300 nicole day for that, man. Yeah. Can people 211 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:34,259 purchase 212 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,720 or taste this stuff or no? Well, I'll 213 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:37,120 tell you what. 214 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,939 Wolf house brewing company has 215 00:07:40,415 --> 00:07:42,895 this new A Pao on draft right now, 216 00:07:43,055 --> 00:07:44,495 and they'll sell it. So you can go 217 00:07:44,495 --> 00:07:45,154 up and 218 00:07:45,455 --> 00:07:48,175 find. But the very best place to get 219 00:07:48,175 --> 00:07:49,395 it is this Saturday, 220 00:07:49,869 --> 00:07:52,505 Right? Yes. At the Sonoma County museum because 221 00:07:52,505 --> 00:07:54,423 we've got a bigger thing happening There. It's 222 00:07:54,423 --> 00:07:56,020 gonna be great Yeah. We're looking to be 223 00:07:56,020 --> 00:07:58,105 more about that. Just a to remind everyone. 224 00:07:58,423 --> 00:08:01,284 So it's 4 to 8PM. The Vip part 225 00:08:01,284 --> 00:08:04,065 starts at 4 and renee Luke, Jack Mcdonald's 226 00:08:04,065 --> 00:08:06,705 daughter herself will be tapping. A C of 227 00:08:06,705 --> 00:08:08,854 this awesome beer. I mean, I'm like, 228 00:08:09,650 --> 00:08:12,755 it... Everything that we kinda thought about, like, 229 00:08:12,994 --> 00:08:15,000 came to fruition, the I when eric... You 230 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,434 know, I to asked Eric Stanley, Like, do 231 00:08:16,434 --> 00:08:17,709 you want some help? And I'm like, I 232 00:08:17,709 --> 00:08:19,461 know Renee. I know Dawn Barclay. I'm like, 233 00:08:19,701 --> 00:08:20,975 hey, Dawn. Do you think maybe we could 234 00:08:20,975 --> 00:08:23,547 get someone like, to brew this? And and 235 00:08:23,859 --> 00:08:26,176 he's like, yeah. I could do this. But... 236 00:08:26,336 --> 00:08:28,174 So it's 4 to 8, you can go 237 00:08:28,174 --> 00:08:30,731 on, the the museum, so c dot org 238 00:08:30,731 --> 00:08:30,891 site. 239 00:08:31,690 --> 00:08:34,417 It only 15 dollars to the general time 240 00:08:34,417 --> 00:08:36,650 and Vip, which is actually sold out, but 241 00:08:36,650 --> 00:08:37,687 we are gonna give away a pair of 242 00:08:37,687 --> 00:08:40,181 tickets before the end of the, the show 243 00:08:40,638 --> 00:08:43,043 is, like 25 bucks. At 04:30 Renee is 244 00:08:43,043 --> 00:08:43,839 gonna tap the C, 245 00:08:44,715 --> 00:08:46,625 there's gonna be tours happening at the museum. 246 00:08:47,262 --> 00:08:49,331 Technically, the tier tours are, like, you know, 247 00:08:49,411 --> 00:08:50,843 4 to 8 during the Vip time. But, 248 00:08:50,923 --> 00:08:51,241 you know, 249 00:08:51,974 --> 00:08:53,812 Eric Stanley, or I will be happy to 250 00:08:53,812 --> 00:08:55,490 give it to tour her. Renee hasn't seen 251 00:08:55,490 --> 00:08:57,887 the exhibit yet. I got to interview Dawn 252 00:08:57,967 --> 00:09:00,145 Barkley, Tony Meg mcgee that founded Lug 253 00:09:00,778 --> 00:09:02,851 and, Mark Carpenter for anchor who by the 254 00:09:02,851 --> 00:09:04,366 way, asked if we would save him some 255 00:09:04,366 --> 00:09:05,482 beer if he doesn't make it back from 256 00:09:05,562 --> 00:09:08,113 Tahoe a time. As Tahoe. He's in Tahoe, 257 00:09:08,272 --> 00:09:11,082 his daughter had his baby. Oh. Yes. So 258 00:09:11,082 --> 00:09:12,840 he's... And his son is about to have 259 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,077 a second baby. So he's been doing grandpa 260 00:09:15,077 --> 00:09:16,915 grandpa grandpa. So downtown Santa Rosa, 261 00:09:17,488 --> 00:09:19,476 Downtown, You can park at them mall. So 262 00:09:19,476 --> 00:09:21,783 shady, free parking right across the way there, 263 00:09:22,340 --> 00:09:22,840 and 264 00:09:23,215 --> 00:09:25,061 we... It's all fence and it's in the 265 00:09:25,061 --> 00:09:27,132 sculpture garden. So it's all lit... It's... But 266 00:09:27,132 --> 00:09:28,725 it's in the evening when it's cooler or 267 00:09:28,725 --> 00:09:29,761 4 to 8PM, 268 00:09:30,398 --> 00:09:30,876 and 269 00:09:31,448 --> 00:09:31,687 then, 270 00:09:32,483 --> 00:09:34,314 it... I actually have to find about the 271 00:09:34,314 --> 00:09:35,667 ages. Like somebody was asking me if it's 272 00:09:35,667 --> 00:09:36,383 family friendly. 273 00:09:36,861 --> 00:09:37,179 But 274 00:09:38,134 --> 00:09:40,363 fresh brew is gonna be pouring. Also, there's 275 00:09:40,363 --> 00:09:41,054 gonna be 276 00:09:41,894 --> 00:09:43,732 the homebrew brewers collective is gonna be there. 277 00:09:43,971 --> 00:09:45,729 So if you wanna find out about learning 278 00:09:45,729 --> 00:09:46,449 how to homebrew, 279 00:09:47,008 --> 00:09:49,006 like, a lot of you guys started doing, 280 00:09:49,086 --> 00:09:51,331 like, Yeah Jacket did and back. Dawn and 281 00:09:51,331 --> 00:09:52,918 mark, you know, Carpenter all of these guys. 282 00:09:53,314 --> 00:09:54,584 You can find out from them how to 283 00:09:54,584 --> 00:09:56,726 join the Humber collective. The pink food society 284 00:09:56,726 --> 00:09:59,704 will be there. As well, and they are 285 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:00,260 for 286 00:10:00,714 --> 00:10:03,178 women or anyone who Identifies as woman 287 00:10:03,893 --> 00:10:05,577 in any of the beverage business us that 288 00:10:05,577 --> 00:10:06,926 used to be only beer. And by the 289 00:10:06,926 --> 00:10:08,537 way, I I must say hello 290 00:10:09,386 --> 00:10:09,624 to 291 00:10:10,338 --> 00:10:12,243 her linda father, who is back with us. 292 00:10:12,481 --> 00:10:13,354 Great to see you, sir. 293 00:10:14,084 --> 00:10:16,154 Yeah Yeah. Come on in here. Thank you. 294 00:10:16,473 --> 00:10:16,632 And, 295 00:10:17,668 --> 00:10:18,942 you flew in where do you live again? 296 00:10:19,738 --> 00:10:22,446 Ama, Texas. And Ama has down road a 297 00:10:22,446 --> 00:10:25,166 bit. I bought a a great pair of 298 00:10:25,166 --> 00:10:27,712 a cowboy that's and Antonio. That's what it 299 00:10:27,712 --> 00:10:30,033 did. When I found Jack, he was in 300 00:10:30,112 --> 00:10:32,885 San antonio. Wow, Really. Yeah. He had been 301 00:10:32,885 --> 00:10:34,970 in Texas for a while, his father 302 00:10:35,816 --> 00:10:38,217 had been a code breaker in world war 303 00:10:38,217 --> 00:10:41,250 2 and loved the ethnicity of San Antonio. 304 00:10:41,490 --> 00:10:42,868 Oh, yeah. Oh, so. 305 00:10:43,246 --> 00:10:45,560 They lived there. I'm gonna be thankful Here. 306 00:10:46,292 --> 00:10:48,831 Because California has a connection to Texas. 307 00:10:50,180 --> 00:10:52,347 When we first fought with Mexico 308 00:10:52,878 --> 00:10:54,172 the second time 309 00:10:55,355 --> 00:10:56,651 We beat Mexico, 310 00:10:57,105 --> 00:10:58,139 and what did we do? 311 00:10:59,014 --> 00:11:01,185 You, we we kept Texas 312 00:11:01,893 --> 00:11:03,326 I also in New Mexico, 313 00:11:03,962 --> 00:11:05,258 Arizona and California. 314 00:11:05,872 --> 00:11:07,089 Exactly. California. 315 00:11:07,942 --> 00:11:09,238 And that was part of Mexico 316 00:11:10,268 --> 00:11:13,086 the Spanish were overthrown in in Mexico. 317 00:11:14,024 --> 00:11:14,504 And, of course, 318 00:11:16,022 --> 00:11:18,040 this area here where their 319 00:11:18,434 --> 00:11:19,813 the wine was brought 320 00:11:20,672 --> 00:11:22,191 by the the franciscan. 321 00:11:23,309 --> 00:11:25,787 San francisco 1 of the missions all way 322 00:11:25,787 --> 00:11:28,619 here. This was the ship that just drake 323 00:11:28,756 --> 00:11:31,724 when he discovered the new world Northern California, 324 00:11:32,338 --> 00:11:34,727 he was in the Golden hi, and that 325 00:11:34,727 --> 00:11:36,080 is the ship that made it onto the 326 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,093 new I'll be involved. That's very cool. Yeah. 327 00:11:38,972 --> 00:11:41,130 She she is Renee D luca from new 328 00:11:41,289 --> 00:11:44,326 A brewing company, which are father founded in 329 00:11:44,326 --> 00:11:46,418 the town of sonoma in 19 76. 330 00:11:47,455 --> 00:11:48,093 Our dear, 331 00:11:48,730 --> 00:11:52,079 a friend and recurring guest, Don Barclay is 332 00:11:52,079 --> 00:11:52,318 here. 333 00:11:53,354 --> 00:11:54,572 And he brew 334 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,304 this beer that is, from the recipe of 335 00:11:58,383 --> 00:11:59,281 Jack Mc macarthur 336 00:11:59,815 --> 00:12:01,326 from new A and Brewing company. 337 00:12:02,139 --> 00:12:04,536 It... It's incredible. Well, you know, Jack always 338 00:12:04,536 --> 00:12:06,294 took his inspiration from original, 339 00:12:07,333 --> 00:12:10,223 English style brewing. English Ale. Yeah. Gotcha. And 340 00:12:10,223 --> 00:12:13,410 back in the day when Jack first started 341 00:12:13,410 --> 00:12:15,482 this whole thing, Of course, the United States 342 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,068 brewing industry was doing nothing, but light lag 343 00:12:19,068 --> 00:12:19,386 beers. 344 00:12:20,038 --> 00:12:21,948 And so he wanted to be something special 345 00:12:21,948 --> 00:12:23,857 and so he made a an English style 346 00:12:23,857 --> 00:12:26,403 ale. And then he also brought in that 347 00:12:26,403 --> 00:12:28,335 whole idea of new a 348 00:12:29,044 --> 00:12:30,821 is part of the new 349 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:32,019 California 350 00:12:32,397 --> 00:12:32,796 area, 351 00:12:33,275 --> 00:12:36,329 and he came up with the logo of 352 00:12:36,548 --> 00:12:39,375 the Golden Hi, which is the Sir Francis 353 00:12:39,432 --> 00:12:42,159 drake ship. He knew in his 354 00:12:42,772 --> 00:12:45,812 brain, he had these clever ideas He knew 355 00:12:45,812 --> 00:12:47,407 that A brewery had to have some kind 356 00:12:47,407 --> 00:12:49,401 of history to it. Some kind of story. 357 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:52,134 He talked. And so he developed this story 358 00:12:52,192 --> 00:12:54,840 about the Golden He and Sir Francis drink, 359 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,320 which was all part of California history And 360 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,559 zach incorporated it into the new A brewing 361 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,480 company story. Yeah. It was it was genius. 362 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,375 For a guy who wasn't educated in March 363 00:13:03,654 --> 00:13:05,408 He had a marketing brain. What are you 364 00:13:05,408 --> 00:13:07,344 doing with new A brewing 365 00:13:07,801 --> 00:13:08,678 and the brewers, 366 00:13:09,316 --> 00:13:11,628 daughter, beer company and stuff. It's my mission 367 00:13:11,628 --> 00:13:13,474 really to keep the story in front of 368 00:13:13,474 --> 00:13:15,615 craft beer drinkers so that they know about 369 00:13:15,695 --> 00:13:17,915 Jack and Don and the New A history 370 00:13:17,915 --> 00:13:20,056 and the roots of craft beer. That is 371 00:13:20,056 --> 00:13:23,018 my mission. I last brew with brew dog 372 00:13:23,018 --> 00:13:26,447 brewing company out of Columbus, Ohio. I live 373 00:13:26,447 --> 00:13:27,744 in Ohio, and 374 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,244 they did a really nice canned version of 375 00:13:31,244 --> 00:13:32,301 the Pale ale 376 00:13:32,675 --> 00:13:33,073 and, 377 00:13:33,789 --> 00:13:37,049 distributed it mostly throughout Ohio. The cool part 378 00:13:37,049 --> 00:13:39,450 about the partnership we did with Brew dog 379 00:13:39,450 --> 00:13:41,359 is Brew dog is originally out of Scotland. 380 00:13:42,075 --> 00:13:42,575 And 381 00:13:43,587 --> 00:13:45,894 that is where Jack learned to brew when 382 00:13:45,894 --> 00:13:47,539 he was in the navy and he was 383 00:13:47,818 --> 00:13:50,228 in Scotland. So that was my full circle 384 00:13:50,763 --> 00:13:53,071 story there. Well, that's so cool. Yeah. And 385 00:13:53,390 --> 00:13:55,300 we did AA1 off run of the beer 386 00:13:55,300 --> 00:13:57,862 with them. I don't have a current partner 387 00:13:57,862 --> 00:13:59,136 right now other than 388 00:13:59,614 --> 00:14:01,765 Wolf. In a Wolf house, which I think 389 00:14:01,765 --> 00:14:03,198 is super cool, and I know a lot 390 00:14:03,198 --> 00:14:05,189 of people in California would love to see 391 00:14:05,189 --> 00:14:06,797 it stay here, so we might be talking 392 00:14:06,797 --> 00:14:08,865 a little bit. I don't know. But, I 393 00:14:08,865 --> 00:14:11,331 wanted to mention you mentioned doctor Lewis at 394 00:14:11,410 --> 00:14:12,126 Uc Davis. 395 00:14:12,763 --> 00:14:15,492 And I got to meet him at the 396 00:14:15,492 --> 00:14:16,610 2019 397 00:14:16,690 --> 00:14:19,087 Miss smithsonian party they had when they had 398 00:14:19,087 --> 00:14:21,655 that for the... Bring a revolution there were 399 00:14:21,655 --> 00:14:23,404 a lot of the pioneers of Crap beer 400 00:14:23,404 --> 00:14:25,493 in the house that night including including 401 00:14:25,867 --> 00:14:26,344 my dad, 402 00:14:27,218 --> 00:14:28,036 Fritz May, 403 00:14:28,664 --> 00:14:29,404 Ken Gross, 404 00:14:30,023 --> 00:14:32,919 and doctor Lewis and Jack had not seen 405 00:14:33,378 --> 00:14:34,896 many of them for a lot of years. 406 00:14:35,296 --> 00:14:37,545 And it was lovely. We got a photo 407 00:14:37,545 --> 00:14:40,177 of all them together. It was fabulous. That's 408 00:14:40,177 --> 00:14:41,395 great. So Jack 409 00:14:41,852 --> 00:14:44,085 learned his brewing in Scotland when he was 410 00:14:44,404 --> 00:14:45,933 there with the navy, and a of course, 411 00:14:46,012 --> 00:14:47,995 he was k taken care of nukes. Right? 412 00:14:48,153 --> 00:14:50,453 There His big old submarine. You and He 413 00:14:50,453 --> 00:14:52,460 was talking him. And so he... When anything 414 00:14:52,753 --> 00:14:55,948 happened, of course that was significant in the 415 00:14:55,948 --> 00:14:58,096 brewery, like, something that might hold up the 416 00:14:58,096 --> 00:15:00,325 brewery. It was called an alpha alert. Dawn, 417 00:15:00,484 --> 00:15:03,110 when was the last time you saw Jack, 418 00:15:03,364 --> 00:15:03,763 Mc. 419 00:15:04,481 --> 00:15:06,396 Oh it was a while ago. I think 420 00:15:06,396 --> 00:15:08,231 it was at his birthday. Yeah. The pig 421 00:15:08,231 --> 00:15:10,088 party. The bird party pig 422 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:13,354 pig in Arkansas? That's right. Tell them about 423 00:15:13,354 --> 00:15:15,190 the Summer Sol party Jack used to have. 424 00:15:15,429 --> 00:15:17,984 Wasn't that the inspiration? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. 425 00:15:18,383 --> 00:15:21,184 The new A brewing company. Every summer had 426 00:15:21,184 --> 00:15:23,645 a summer sol party, and this is where 427 00:15:23,645 --> 00:15:23,962 we would, 428 00:15:24,836 --> 00:15:25,653 Jack would 429 00:15:26,265 --> 00:15:28,726 show us how to do a lu pig. 430 00:15:29,457 --> 00:15:31,629 And he would bury this pig 431 00:15:32,802 --> 00:15:34,315 in the dirt with a whole bunch of 432 00:15:34,315 --> 00:15:35,509 hot rocks. He's spending... 433 00:15:36,067 --> 00:15:38,390 He he'd get this big pile. Glass wood 434 00:15:38,390 --> 00:15:40,696 and rocks and he'd... We'd be up until, 435 00:15:40,855 --> 00:15:42,047 like, 2 or 3 in the morning, which 436 00:15:42,047 --> 00:15:43,956 was not unusual. No. Drinking beers. 437 00:15:44,671 --> 00:15:47,240 And we'd burn this huge bon fire until 438 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,059 everything was roast and hot, and then you 439 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,799 stick this pig in there with a whole 440 00:15:51,799 --> 00:15:53,240 bunch of rocks piled 441 00:15:53,734 --> 00:15:55,481 you know, into the big hot rocks in 442 00:15:55,481 --> 00:15:57,070 the pig, cover it all up, 443 00:15:57,944 --> 00:16:00,168 And the next morning, well, sometimes it'd be 444 00:16:00,168 --> 00:16:01,757 the afternoon, Whenever we woke up, 445 00:16:02,329 --> 00:16:04,563 we'd pull this pig out of the ground, 446 00:16:04,802 --> 00:16:05,541 and then 447 00:16:06,078 --> 00:16:08,552 the party would begin. And the nice thing 448 00:16:08,552 --> 00:16:10,183 about this is this is a 449 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,273 kind of a a cultural event. All the 450 00:16:13,273 --> 00:16:16,224 guys from anchor would come up. They drive 451 00:16:16,224 --> 00:16:18,058 their van and they'd open the doors of 452 00:16:18,058 --> 00:16:19,588 the van. And here be all these low 453 00:16:19,588 --> 00:16:21,656 filled bottles that that came off the bottling 454 00:16:21,656 --> 00:16:21,895 line. 455 00:16:23,008 --> 00:16:24,917 No, it's gonna add to the party. Right. 456 00:16:25,236 --> 00:16:26,031 And didn't jack? 457 00:16:26,682 --> 00:16:29,383 Come out in a grass and call himself 458 00:16:29,383 --> 00:16:30,336 king I wanna lay. 459 00:16:32,481 --> 00:16:34,069 Well, if he didn't he to it. Yeah. 460 00:16:34,308 --> 00:16:35,976 Oh, no. Private stories. 461 00:16:36,548 --> 00:16:38,082 And he would brew 462 00:16:38,616 --> 00:16:39,116 a 463 00:16:40,367 --> 00:16:41,106 a certain 464 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:45,221 beer every year that somehow got the nickname. 465 00:16:45,460 --> 00:16:47,860 Yeah Now, you can speak to this more 466 00:16:47,860 --> 00:16:51,301 than me. Old toe sucker. That was a 467 00:16:51,357 --> 00:16:52,629 unique batch of beer. 468 00:16:53,837 --> 00:16:56,166 We were working on a recipe for a 469 00:16:57,097 --> 00:16:58,846 It was a Barley wine. Wasn't it? No. 470 00:16:59,164 --> 00:17:00,834 Actually, No. It was it was gonna be 471 00:17:00,834 --> 00:17:02,516 a porter. Yeah okay. But we had, like, 472 00:17:02,674 --> 00:17:04,736 5 different batches that we had, and we 473 00:17:04,736 --> 00:17:06,164 had all this beer and he had to 474 00:17:06,164 --> 00:17:08,225 taste every 1 of them, a bunch of 475 00:17:08,225 --> 00:17:10,463 times and not that... Okay you know, I'd 476 00:17:10,463 --> 00:17:11,918 normally sucked toes. But 477 00:17:12,611 --> 00:17:13,088 but 478 00:17:13,803 --> 00:17:15,394 yeah, by the end of the evening, there 479 00:17:15,394 --> 00:17:19,131 was some really interesting things happening. You. Yeah. 480 00:17:19,624 --> 00:17:21,456 I'm sorry. I wasn't there. Yeah. Well, 481 00:17:22,173 --> 00:17:24,345 Susie. Maybe I should these these things have 482 00:17:24,482 --> 00:17:27,350 normally, at Susie Stu house, Susie Dennis House. 483 00:17:27,509 --> 00:17:29,833 She had a hot tub Awesome. They helped 484 00:17:29,833 --> 00:17:32,220 with the toes. I do wanna mention about 485 00:17:32,299 --> 00:17:35,027 Susie and Jane Zimmerman. So they 486 00:17:35,561 --> 00:17:38,201 great people. Yeah. They helped bring finance. The 487 00:17:38,201 --> 00:17:40,504 new A with Jack K help me get 488 00:17:40,504 --> 00:17:43,284 his dream off the ground. Right? Because banks 489 00:17:43,284 --> 00:17:45,587 weren't really helpful back then for 1 thing. 490 00:17:46,159 --> 00:17:48,390 And Taren Aaron's book, woman's places in the 491 00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:50,861 Brew house is a great book to read 492 00:17:50,861 --> 00:17:51,998 more about 493 00:17:52,773 --> 00:17:55,261 the new A Brewing, company and also Natalie 494 00:17:55,261 --> 00:17:57,416 russian rivers in there and actually renee in 495 00:17:57,416 --> 00:17:59,092 there as well, and also a book called 496 00:17:59,092 --> 00:18:00,449 the audacity of hops, 497 00:18:01,088 --> 00:18:03,412 which reads like a who done it. It's 498 00:18:03,412 --> 00:18:03,912 despite 499 00:18:04,524 --> 00:18:07,384 my favorite book on brewing history besides tara. 500 00:18:07,781 --> 00:18:09,607 And that is also a great 1 talking 501 00:18:09,607 --> 00:18:11,766 about some of Jackson said street. Did did 502 00:18:11,766 --> 00:18:13,592 they talk to, like, you about it? Or 503 00:18:13,672 --> 00:18:15,656 Was Jack pretty? Yes. I was in touch 504 00:18:15,656 --> 00:18:18,221 with Tom, the author of Audacity. 505 00:18:18,912 --> 00:18:18,991 Right? 506 00:18:19,959 --> 00:18:22,035 Get Ace tally. He was out of Boston, 507 00:18:22,194 --> 00:18:25,068 I believe, and we correspond during 508 00:18:25,547 --> 00:18:27,304 the time he was writing that book, and 509 00:18:27,383 --> 00:18:28,661 I put him in touch with Jack. 510 00:18:29,314 --> 00:18:31,461 And he talked to me as well, and 511 00:18:31,620 --> 00:18:33,528 I'm just a little footnote in it, but 512 00:18:33,528 --> 00:18:35,516 it's all about Jack and the history and 513 00:18:35,516 --> 00:18:37,107 what he did. Yeah. And then in the 514 00:18:37,107 --> 00:18:39,769 woman's spaces in Brew house brings up the 515 00:18:40,067 --> 00:18:42,063 some of the un the un sung women 516 00:18:42,063 --> 00:18:45,575 of beer, including Susie Stu Down and Jane 517 00:18:45,655 --> 00:18:47,411 Zimmerman as well. So John, you're gonna be 518 00:18:47,411 --> 00:18:49,174 at the Beer fa Saturday as or to 519 00:18:49,174 --> 00:18:52,108 it. Absolutely. So come down. It's not a 520 00:18:52,108 --> 00:18:54,012 big beer festival. It's an intimate beer festival. 521 00:18:54,170 --> 00:18:55,915 We're gonna have some cider tilted head cider 522 00:18:55,915 --> 00:18:57,596 till from Ellen C valley. She's given us 523 00:18:57,596 --> 00:18:59,024 cider for it. We're gonna also have, 524 00:18:59,818 --> 00:19:01,643 some meat as well from hard high works 525 00:19:01,643 --> 00:19:03,802 meat as well as some breweries. But it's 526 00:19:03,802 --> 00:19:05,734 more about this historic 527 00:19:06,269 --> 00:19:07,064 k tapping, 528 00:19:07,621 --> 00:19:08,758 meeting Renee, 529 00:19:10,327 --> 00:19:12,396 Dawn Barclay, Brian Hunt gonna be their point, 530 00:19:12,888 --> 00:19:14,958 Vin and Natalie you're both gonna be pouring. 531 00:19:15,197 --> 00:19:16,334 Oh, you're the 532 00:19:16,869 --> 00:19:18,779 See them again. Is that cool. Finally you're 533 00:19:18,779 --> 00:19:19,496 gonna go to work. 534 00:19:21,104 --> 00:19:22,620 And it's a Saturday. So this is not, 535 00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:25,194 like, you know, we... Like, we really appreciate 536 00:19:25,413 --> 00:19:27,327 besides the sponsorship. I'm I'm... I'm... I'm I'm 537 00:19:27,327 --> 00:19:29,016 a volunteer for doing having done all this 538 00:19:29,016 --> 00:19:31,796 for the museum, but, I'm saying we, but 539 00:19:31,796 --> 00:19:33,781 it's pretty cool. So we're gonna have Brian 540 00:19:33,861 --> 00:19:35,767 Hunt, and then Bruce Callum from Come Brew 541 00:19:35,767 --> 00:19:38,089 house is gonna be actually milling around. 542 00:19:38,885 --> 00:19:40,558 If you remember those days as well, which 543 00:19:40,717 --> 00:19:42,310 I do. I don't you know Steve J 544 00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:44,700 as well. But it's gonna be so cool. 545 00:19:44,859 --> 00:19:46,625 And it's really an expensive can still come 546 00:19:46,625 --> 00:19:49,409 in, I... And, you know, buy tickets there 547 00:19:49,409 --> 00:19:51,181 at the door, bring your Id 548 00:19:51,794 --> 00:19:52,192 and, 549 00:19:52,748 --> 00:19:54,975 park across the street, get or better yet, 550 00:19:55,134 --> 00:19:58,497 get a designated driver, Uber or lyft. You 551 00:19:58,497 --> 00:20:00,331 could take the smart train up to Downtown 552 00:20:00,491 --> 00:20:02,405 Santa Rosa and take it... You could actually 553 00:20:02,405 --> 00:20:04,160 even walk over from the train station to 554 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,566 the museum. That's how close it is. So 555 00:20:06,566 --> 00:20:08,000 if you take the smart train up, that's 556 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,991 a great thing to do. But I am 557 00:20:09,991 --> 00:20:11,663 so excited to have you guys both there. 558 00:20:12,141 --> 00:20:13,915 Don't forget about on Wednesday, 559 00:20:14,530 --> 00:20:16,772 it to also go check out Retro Brains 560 00:20:17,090 --> 00:20:20,056 Instagram and Facebook page about their drag race 561 00:20:20,192 --> 00:20:20,511 scars. 562 00:20:21,306 --> 00:20:23,400 Yeah. And new A and Brewing company has 563 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,119 a Facebook page and Twitter or x if 564 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:27,720 you wanna call it them at daughter. And 565 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,480 the brewers daughter, you can follow me at 566 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,408 the brewers daughter her on Facebook and on 567 00:20:31,408 --> 00:20:33,502 x as well. Please do your 568 00:20:33,958 --> 00:20:36,847 memoir Renee because if there's so much more 569 00:20:36,985 --> 00:20:39,414 daughter to this story of how she found 570 00:20:39,632 --> 00:20:41,228 that Jack Mc macarthur, is the founder of 571 00:20:41,228 --> 00:20:43,861 the craft brewing revolution in America was her 572 00:20:43,861 --> 00:20:45,392 father And what were you doing at the 573 00:20:45,392 --> 00:20:47,068 time? Weren't you mark in marketing? Like, I 574 00:20:47,068 --> 00:20:48,904 was working at a television station? Okay. When 575 00:20:49,064 --> 00:20:50,101 I found him... Wow. 576 00:20:50,979 --> 00:20:52,975 Amazing... Is Renee D luca. 577 00:20:53,789 --> 00:20:55,387 New A and brewing company. 578 00:20:56,425 --> 00:20:59,482 And Don Barkley, our great friend 579 00:20:59,862 --> 00:21:02,347 is back with us. Yeah. Yeah. Good to 580 00:21:02,347 --> 00:21:04,091 see you, Both my pleasure. Great to meet 581 00:21:04,091 --> 00:21:05,835 you. Thank you for having me. And good 582 00:21:05,835 --> 00:21:06,944 to see you. And I'll, 583 00:21:07,420 --> 00:21:08,846 let you know when I'm coming to Cleveland. 584 00:21:09,418 --> 00:21:11,173 Oh, please do. We'll go to the and 585 00:21:11,252 --> 00:21:13,246 Roll Hall. Yes. I would love to show 586 00:21:13,246 --> 00:21:15,159 it to you. Very cool. Really cool. Alright. 587 00:21:15,398 --> 00:21:17,392 So her Linda thank you as always. 588 00:21:18,282 --> 00:21:20,654 The drive B brought you by Russian River 589 00:21:20,812 --> 00:21:22,947 Brewing and the Victory House of Santa Rosa.