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She is with New A and B brewing
company. He acknowledged to be the first post
prohibition micro
in the United States, and the return of
Don Barkley from Mend Brewing? Don. What's new
with Mend Brewing.
Well, you know, it was a few years
ago that Men Brewing slid under the waves.
You know, and those those things happened. And
it was a great brewery, a great run.
We made red tail, ale. I have a
hawk blue hair and all those great beers.
You know, I knew all this because we
talked. About it last time you were on.
But somebody wrote
Don Barkley from Mend you brewing, which is
true. Yes. Yes. About but when you're as
old as I, and you forget stuff. But,
of course, we know that. But well, absolutely
because, you know, really where I cut my
teeth.
Was that I started that at the new
A Brewing company. Of course. As you said,
the very first micro burrito to open up
in the United States since prohibition If you...
The end of prohibition happened in 19 33.
Yeah. 3334,
which is. 19 76.
09:40
years, there were no nope recently in the
United States. And, of course, Jack Mc macarthur
started the new A brewing company in Sonoma,
California, it was wonderful. Bowl. And that's why
it's really special to be here today because
I have Renee right here what happens to
be, Jack's daughter is really funded.
Crazy
Well you come with us, Dawn to go
look at the site, since you work there
in sonoma. While she's here. It's drape around.
Oh my gosh. We should totally do that.
I might be able to do... Jack find
you to to be because customer. I don't
know that. Oh, you don't know. I don't.
It was pretty funny When I first started
to go to the universe to the California
Davis. Mh my
studying
fermentation science.
My lead professor, on doctor Michael Lewis
said,
you know I asked him how can I
get a job in the brewing industry, Blah
Blah? He says, well, you have long hair,
So you're gonna have to cut your hair
and I said no. No. I'm gonna cut
my hair.
And he said, well, you might wanna go
see this odd character that's over in Sonoma,
California guy by the name of
Jack the call if Yeah. He comes over
and he goes through the all the books
in the library about brewing,
and you might go talk to. So I
over to
Sun sonoma and I walked through the door
and Jack was sitting there. At is big
desk in a little tiny room. Great big
desk. But a tiny room. And I said,
Jack, I wanna brew for you. And he
looks at me. And you look... And he
just sort looks up and down and just
says get out of here. And you just
like, you know, leave, Don't even bother me,
just get out of. Really. Don't feel bad.
He said the same thing to Ken Gross.
Oh, which Ken talks about. No doubt. Yeah.
I went back to the new Audi brewing
company a couple months later and the person
that was sitting at that desk was a
gal by the name of Susie Stern. So
Susie Dennis. And I told her I'll work
for free. And,
I need something to do for the smile.
And so for a case of beer a
week, which was the perfect payment for a
guy in college. Right. I got a case
a beer a week and they're really good
beer. Really good beer, and I had make
it myself.
Know, you know Jack Mc, And
you have
his recipes or at least some of them.
Right? Yeah. I wouldn't no. That's what we're
tasting. What you brew from that right. Jack
Mc macarthur recipe. Yeah. It's really interesting because
and it was lovely being able to help
brew this beer because we did it up
at the Wolf house Brewing company.
Kevin love it is the brewer up there.
Is that Mend? Yes it's actually the northern
part, the northern most town in Sonoma County.
Kevin Love it, happens to be Michael Love
sun.
Michael Love is my dear friend, and he
started at the new A brewing company as
well. Yeah. And he actually... Good how to
make beer and to do it properly not
because he was trained, but because he made
tofu ice cream before that. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.
It's some in in San Francisco. I have
to say no thanks on that.
Don't save me a seat for the tofu
ice cream. But go ahead. Tofu ice cream
in 19 80. Oh. Don't think it was
good. Don't panic. It's organic. So Michael love
it had a son.
Kevin, and he was born,
the very first summer that the Mend casino
brewing company was in Mend you. Right.
In Hoffman, California. And So Heaven is now
old enough to be making his own beer
and own oath small little
brewery and Clover ale, the Wolf house brewing
company. So we were able to catch you.
Jack Mc macarthur recipe,
And I said, Kevin, you gotta brew this
beer. It's part of your heritage, and so
he came up with the... That is... New
album pay ale for the original...
Book that
Jack. There was anything changed when you made
it? And did you do any tweaking? Where
we did tweak it just a little does.
Yeah. We used the same hops, which are
cascade and cluster gas hops. As important. Yeah.
That's an important part of the whole thing.
We didn't use very many hops I think
the Ib used, the bitterness units and this
is about 20 to 25, something like that.
But we do put just a little bit
of dry hopping in some of the those
cascade later in the fermentation just to pop
it up a little bit.
Otherwise,
this would be so old school that everybody
you know What is? This 1 of the
finest beers I've ever tasted.
I'm serious, man. I am blown away by
this. It's new A pay.
That's why it was successful. And when Jim
Cook introduced it,
to the masses again in 2012
when Boston beer brew, your recipe, Don.
He introduced as the iconic column
of beer.
It's a standard, like, think of the Greek
iconic column. Very cool. So Yep. It it
is the standard bearer. Well, that's what it
is. It's a basis for all the beers
and we can have all the Ipa and
everything else that's got way too much chops
in it.
That you want, but you know, just to
sit down and have a really nice parallel.
Yes. Do you know my dad calls today's
beers that are made with? I can't we
hear this? You know, made with cinnamon? And
cardamom a mom and gosh, And knows what
else. He calls them Hula hoop beers. He
says I don't want a Hula hoop beer.
I want an ale a porter or a
stout. Yeah. There go. There you go. Just
give me a really nice beer to drink
on a on a warm day or. A
nicole day for that, man. Yeah. Can people
purchase
or taste this stuff or no? Well, I'll
tell you what.
Wolf house brewing company has
this new A Pao on draft right now,
and they'll sell it. So you can go
up and
find. But the very best place to get
it is this Saturday,
Right? Yes. At the Sonoma County museum because
we've got a bigger thing happening There. It's
gonna be great Yeah. We're looking to be
more about that. Just a to remind everyone.
So it's 4 to 8PM. The Vip part
starts at 4 and renee Luke, Jack Mcdonald's
daughter herself will be tapping. A C of
this awesome beer. I mean, I'm like,
it... Everything that we kinda thought about, like,
came to fruition, the I when eric... You
know, I to asked Eric Stanley, Like, do
you want some help? And I'm like, I
know Renee. I know Dawn Barclay. I'm like,
hey, Dawn. Do you think maybe we could
get someone like, to brew this? And and
he's like, yeah. I could do this. But...
So it's 4 to 8, you can go
on, the the museum, so c dot org
site.
It only 15 dollars to the general time
and Vip, which is actually sold out, but
we are gonna give away a pair of
tickets before the end of the, the show
is, like 25 bucks. At 04:30 Renee is
gonna tap the C,
there's gonna be tours happening at the museum.
Technically, the tier tours are, like, you know,
4 to 8 during the Vip time. But,
you know,
Eric Stanley, or I will be happy to
give it to tour her. Renee hasn't seen
the exhibit yet. I got to interview Dawn
Barkley, Tony Meg mcgee that founded Lug
and, Mark Carpenter for anchor who by the
way, asked if we would save him some
beer if he doesn't make it back from
Tahoe a time. As Tahoe. He's in Tahoe,
his daughter had his baby. Oh. Yes. So
he's... And his son is about to have
a second baby. So he's been doing grandpa
grandpa grandpa. So downtown Santa Rosa,
Downtown, You can park at them mall. So
shady, free parking right across the way there,
and
we... It's all fence and it's in the
sculpture garden. So it's all lit... It's... But
it's in the evening when it's cooler or
4 to 8PM,
and
then,
it... I actually have to find about the
ages. Like somebody was asking me if it's
family friendly.
But
fresh brew is gonna be pouring. Also, there's
gonna be
the homebrew brewers collective is gonna be there.
So if you wanna find out about learning
how to homebrew,
like, a lot of you guys started doing,
like, Yeah Jacket did and back. Dawn and
mark, you know, Carpenter all of these guys.
You can find out from them how to
join the Humber collective. The pink food society
will be there. As well, and they are
for
women or anyone who Identifies as woman
in any of the beverage business us that
used to be only beer. And by the
way, I I must say hello
to
her linda father, who is back with us.
Great to see you, sir.
Yeah Yeah. Come on in here. Thank you.
And,
you flew in where do you live again?
Ama, Texas. And Ama has down road a
bit. I bought a a great pair of
a cowboy that's and Antonio. That's what it
did. When I found Jack, he was in
San antonio. Wow, Really. Yeah. He had been
in Texas for a while, his father
had been a code breaker in world war
2 and loved the ethnicity of San Antonio.
Oh, yeah. Oh, so.
They lived there. I'm gonna be thankful Here.
Because California has a connection to Texas.
When we first fought with Mexico
the second time
We beat Mexico,
and what did we do?
You, we we kept Texas
I also in New Mexico,
Arizona and California.
Exactly. California.
And that was part of Mexico
the Spanish were overthrown in in Mexico.
And, of course,
this area here where their
the wine was brought
by the the franciscan.
San francisco 1 of the missions all way
here. This was the ship that just drake
when he discovered the new world Northern California,
he was in the Golden hi, and that
is the ship that made it onto the
new I'll be involved. That's very cool. Yeah.
She she is Renee D luca from new
A brewing company, which are father founded in
the town of sonoma in 19 76.
Our dear,
a friend and recurring guest, Don Barclay is
here.
And he brew
this beer that is, from the recipe of
Jack Mc macarthur
from new A and Brewing company.
It... It's incredible. Well, you know, Jack always
took his inspiration from original,
English style brewing. English Ale. Yeah. Gotcha. And
back in the day when Jack first started
this whole thing, Of course, the United States
brewing industry was doing nothing, but light lag
beers.
And so he wanted to be something special
and so he made a an English style
ale. And then he also brought in that
whole idea of new a
is part of the new
California
area,
and he came up with the logo of
the Golden Hi, which is the Sir Francis
drake ship. He knew in his
brain, he had these clever ideas He knew
that A brewery had to have some kind
of history to it. Some kind of story.
He talked. And so he developed this story
about the Golden He and Sir Francis drink,
which was all part of California history And
zach incorporated it into the new A brewing
company story. Yeah. It was it was genius.
For a guy who wasn't educated in March
He had a marketing brain. What are you
doing with new A brewing
and the brewers,
daughter, beer company and stuff. It's my mission
really to keep the story in front of
craft beer drinkers so that they know about
Jack and Don and the New A history
and the roots of craft beer. That is
my mission. I last brew with brew dog
brewing company out of Columbus, Ohio. I live
in Ohio, and
they did a really nice canned version of
the Pale ale
and,
distributed it mostly throughout Ohio. The cool part
about the partnership we did with Brew dog
is Brew dog is originally out of Scotland.
And
that is where Jack learned to brew when
he was in the navy and he was
in Scotland. So that was my full circle
story there. Well, that's so cool. Yeah. And
we did AA1 off run of the beer
with them. I don't have a current partner
right now other than
Wolf. In a Wolf house, which I think
is super cool, and I know a lot
of people in California would love to see
it stay here, so we might be talking
a little bit. I don't know. But, I
wanted to mention you mentioned doctor Lewis at
Uc Davis.
And I got to meet him at the
2019
Miss smithsonian party they had when they had
that for the... Bring a revolution there were
a lot of the pioneers of Crap beer
in the house that night including including
my dad,
Fritz May,
Ken Gross,
and doctor Lewis and Jack had not seen
many of them for a lot of years.
And it was lovely. We got a photo
of all them together. It was fabulous. That's
great. So Jack
learned his brewing in Scotland when he was
there with the navy, and a of course,
he was k taken care of nukes. Right?
There His big old submarine. You and He
was talking him. And so he... When anything
happened, of course that was significant in the
brewery, like, something that might hold up the
brewery. It was called an alpha alert. Dawn,
when was the last time you saw Jack,
Mc.
Oh it was a while ago. I think
it was at his birthday. Yeah. The pig
party. The bird party pig
pig in Arkansas? That's right. Tell them about
the Summer Sol party Jack used to have.
Wasn't that the inspiration? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
The new A brewing company. Every summer had
a summer sol party, and this is where
we would,
Jack would
show us how to do a lu pig.
And he would bury this pig
in the dirt with a whole bunch of
hot rocks. He's spending...
He he'd get this big pile. Glass wood
and rocks and he'd... We'd be up until,
like, 2 or 3 in the morning, which
was not unusual. No. Drinking beers.
And we'd burn this huge bon fire until
everything was roast and hot, and then you
stick this pig in there with a whole
bunch of rocks piled
you know, into the big hot rocks in
the pig, cover it all up,
And the next morning, well, sometimes it'd be
the afternoon, Whenever we woke up,
we'd pull this pig out of the ground,
and then
the party would begin. And the nice thing
about this is this is a
kind of a a cultural event. All the
guys from anchor would come up. They drive
their van and they'd open the doors of
the van. And here be all these low
filled bottles that that came off the bottling
line.
No, it's gonna add to the party. Right.
And didn't jack?
Come out in a grass and call himself
king I wanna lay.
Well, if he didn't he to it. Yeah.
Oh, no. Private stories.
And he would brew
a
a certain
beer every year that somehow got the nickname.
Yeah Now, you can speak to this more
than me. Old toe sucker. That was a
unique batch of beer.
We were working on a recipe for a
It was a Barley wine. Wasn't it? No.
Actually, No. It was it was gonna be
a porter. Yeah okay. But we had, like,
5 different batches that we had, and we
had all this beer and he had to
taste every 1 of them, a bunch of
times and not that... Okay you know, I'd
normally sucked toes. But
but
yeah, by the end of the evening, there
was some really interesting things happening. You. Yeah.
I'm sorry. I wasn't there. Yeah. Well,
Susie. Maybe I should these these things have
normally, at Susie Stu house, Susie Dennis House.
She had a hot tub Awesome. They helped
with the toes. I do wanna mention about
Susie and Jane Zimmerman. So they
great people. Yeah. They helped bring finance. The
new A with Jack K help me get
his dream off the ground. Right? Because banks
weren't really helpful back then for 1 thing.
And Taren Aaron's book, woman's places in the
Brew house is a great book to read
more about
the new A Brewing, company and also Natalie
russian rivers in there and actually renee in
there as well, and also a book called
the audacity of hops,
which reads like a who done it. It's
despite
my favorite book on brewing history besides tara.
And that is also a great 1 talking
about some of Jackson said street. Did did
they talk to, like, you about it? Or
Was Jack pretty? Yes. I was in touch
with Tom, the author of Audacity.
Right?
Get Ace tally. He was out of Boston,
I believe, and we correspond during
the time he was writing that book, and
I put him in touch with Jack.
And he talked to me as well, and
I'm just a little footnote in it, but
it's all about Jack and the history and
what he did. Yeah. And then in the
woman's spaces in Brew house brings up the
some of the un the un sung women
of beer, including Susie Stu Down and Jane
Zimmerman as well. So John, you're gonna be
at the Beer fa Saturday as or to
it. Absolutely. So come down. It's not a
big beer festival. It's an intimate beer festival.
We're gonna have some cider tilted head cider
till from Ellen C valley. She's given us
cider for it. We're gonna also have,
some meat as well from hard high works
meat as well as some breweries. But it's
more about this historic
k tapping,
meeting Renee,
Dawn Barclay, Brian Hunt gonna be their point,
Vin and Natalie you're both gonna be pouring.
Oh, you're the
See them again. Is that cool. Finally you're
gonna go to work.
And it's a Saturday. So this is not,
like, you know, we... Like, we really appreciate
besides the sponsorship. I'm I'm... I'm... I'm I'm
a volunteer for doing having done all this
for the museum, but, I'm saying we, but
it's pretty cool. So we're gonna have Brian
Hunt, and then Bruce Callum from Come Brew
house is gonna be actually milling around.
If you remember those days as well, which
I do. I don't you know Steve J
as well. But it's gonna be so cool.
And it's really an expensive can still come
in, I... And, you know, buy tickets there
at the door, bring your Id
and,
park across the street, get or better yet,
get a designated driver, Uber or lyft. You
could take the smart train up to Downtown
Santa Rosa and take it... You could actually
even walk over from the train station to
the museum. That's how close it is. So
if you take the smart train up, that's
a great thing to do. But I am
so excited to have you guys both there.
Don't forget about on Wednesday,
it to also go check out Retro Brains
Instagram and Facebook page about their drag race
scars.
Yeah. And new A and Brewing company has
a Facebook page and Twitter or x if
you wanna call it them at daughter. And
the brewers daughter, you can follow me at
the brewers daughter her on Facebook and on
x as well. Please do your
memoir Renee because if there's so much more
daughter to this story of how she found
that Jack Mc macarthur, is the founder of
the craft brewing revolution in America was her
father And what were you doing at the
time? Weren't you mark in marketing? Like, I
was working at a television station? Okay. When
I found him... Wow.
Amazing... Is Renee D luca.
New A and brewing company.
And Don Barkley, our great friend
is back with us. Yeah. Yeah. Good to
see you, Both my pleasure. Great to meet
you. Thank you for having me. And good
to see you. And I'll,
let you know when I'm coming to Cleveland.
Oh, please do. We'll go to the and
Roll Hall. Yes. I would love to show
it to you. Very cool. Really cool. Alright.
So her Linda thank you as always.
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