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Hey, everyone. Welcome to
another edition of Podcast Insider. My name is
Todd Cochrane. I am back after being out
a couple weeks, but I am
my cohost today
is Mackenzie Bennett. Mike's out. Mackenzie, how are
you?
I'm good. I'm getting used to,
being cohost recently.
Yeah. And
and you are roadcasting
from home on your computer and everything, so
not in the studio. So this is a
nice change too, isn't it?
Yeah. I'm enjoying it. I really
am
feel like I'm doing a
better job with the mic. Oh, that's good.
Than I was at the studio. Because you're
because you got your desk and everything organized.
And sometimes it's really it's true feeling comfortable,
you know, in the studio. You go into
it's kinda like, okay. Well, I gotta move
the mic here, make sure the input's right.
Someone's adjusted it and played with it, and
Yeah. You just never know. Here, I know
everything works, and it takes away, like, that
that last bit of stress involved in doing
anything recording. So Yeah. Absolutely.
So,
alright. Well, we've got some news. We've got
a best practice. We have, stuff going on
here at Blueberry. And, of course, I'm gonna
give a report on my trip to Riyadh.
We've got a Blueberry pro tip from Toby.
No interview and then a question
of the week. So there's been a bunch
of new stuff come out in the news
about
spoken word and,
stuff going on with, with Edison.
I have not been able
to have time to read that report, but
I guess It's going up.
And people are listening at a younger age.
Yes. That's essentially what it's saying is that
they're definitely seeing a growth among
younger audiences.
So by that, I assume they mean Gen
z.
But it says that overall, 46%
of The US population listens to spoken word
audio
content on a daily basis.
And that seems high to me, like, in
a good way compared to what happened.
And there was actually, I was talking with
someone about this yesterday. It appears that we're,
like, equivalent now
of, you know, AM radio obviously is demise
completely, but now podcasting is above
what the audience of AM radio
was not too long ago. Mhmm.
So
which This says that there's
it just is increasing
across the board. Yeah. Specifically, there was a
214%
increase
among ages 13 to 24. That's wild.
It is wild. And I, you know, I
don't go looking for content 13 24, but
I I think it would be a
worthy endeavor to see what's out there. But
if there's 13 to 24 year olds listening
to spoken word, then that means there is
definitely creators in that age group
that's reaching those folks. So
I don't know to me so many creators
in that age group. Yeah. And again, I
don't know to me 13 year olds creating
content, but probably six 16. I don't know.
Again, I'm just guessing.
I I think
it's become this weird thing too where when
you ask
a child what they wanna be when they
grow up and they say a YouTuber or
a podcaster Right. Or something like that. Like,
this is this has become a legitimate
Sure.
Thing for them.
My son has done
YouTube for a while, but he doesn't put
stuff out on a regular basis. And
I went to the length of buying him
a really expensive DSLR,
and he was building his portfolio. So he's
going to school to be a fireman, but
at the same time, he's wanting to do
this social thing. So,
yeah, I fully I fully get it.
And, but, you know, it's it's just a
lot of work. I think they all find
that out, but it's cool that segment is
growing
for sure. I think they said one of
the main reasons why is because
spoken word content has moved to mobile.
Like, you were bringing up the AM before.
Yep. Yep.
Yep. We're shifting away from that entirely. Everyone
that is probably listening
to content like this Is on mobile. Has
a has a mobile device. So You know,
and and and I just, my kids are
all grown now grown now. But I remember
even when they were in the car, and
I can't remember when they had their first
mobile probably,
we tried to hold off as long as
we can, but I think 11, 12, something
like that. Yeah. That sounds good. And,
they were always just plugged in, listened to
whatever. So it's like they didn't they didn't
want
of course, at that time, I was podcasting
pretty heavily. They didn't wanna listen to podcasts.
They didn't wanna listen to the radio for
sure.
So it only makes sense. And is this,
you know, as the entire
segment of the population continue to age the,
I think the days of radio is in
big, big trouble over long Yeah. Over the
long term. I you know, I I ten
years ago, I said they had ten years,
but probably
they got a good good another ten. We'll
see. I don't know. I'm just guesstimating here.
I don't know. We'll see. But
it says that,
58%
of that time spent listening is news audio
content. Wow. Wow. Typically
well, the people that also did this research,
like, it was Edison, but also NPR.
Mhmm. So of the of the
findings, they said 58% of that was listening
to NPR and public radio.
That's that's curious. I haven't listened to an
NPR station in twenty years. So,
very curious. Well,
I guess we'll see.
But Apple, on the other hand, publishing insights
about growing subscription podcast, and, of course, we're
hot and heavy in the middle of integration
so that Blueberry customers can publish directly from
Blueberry into a
subscription.
And it seems to be growing. For a
while. Yeah. Seems to be growing.
Specifically, they are calling out free trials are
converting listeners to subscribers.
That's always nice to see because that's not
exactly how everything always happens.
Yeah. And so is that's the trend they're
seeing is offering a free trial?
Well, I guess that's a free podcast and
then
interesting. You're two and a half times more
likely to convert a free listener to a
paying subscriber when you give them a free
trial, apparently.
So
give them three free episodes
on a new show or a new series
or
because I don't know how I would you
know, I'm thinking about my show. It's just
been, like, gone forever. So
is this a new show launches or did
they give any specifics?
So it says,
make sure like, if you're gonna offer a
free trial to make sure that you are
publishing a new subscriber content regularly so they
have an opportunity to appreciate the value while
you're doing while they're in the trial window.
Yeah. So
I don't think it necessarily, like
I don't think it has to be a
new show. If you wanted to do a
series,
like, your show is established and we've been
doing it forever. And if you wanted to
do a series on something very specific A
spin off. You could be like, I'm gonna
have a one I'm gonna have part one,
part two, part three, part four.
Give them parts one through three in this
trial and then release the fourth one after.
Right. I got you.
Yeah. You know, I it's we've had a
number of Blueberry customers that have responded to
the the newsletter where we were asked, are
you interested
in doing and being on the beta and
being able to
set up a podcast subscription for a single
show.
And,
it could be an early release. It could
be
a a bonus content, whatever you wanna do.
That offer is still out there. We've had
a a number of folks, but we're looking
for a few more.
So if you're interested in being on this
early, you know, from at least from a
Blueberry side publishing directly into Apple for this
subscription
system,
drop us an email.
It can really come to
probably the best place would be our marketing
email, marketing@blueberry.com,
I would think, would be the best place
for them to send that email.
Amazon, though, and I see you have a
note in here. Wonder if it includes Wondery.
It does. Amazon is offering ad free music
and podcasts with prime membership. So
because Amazon owns Wondery, they're making all of
the pre all the premium shows on Wondery
available
as
ad free
part of your premium membership. So
you get a two for there.
I mean, I might actually try them now.
You know, and the I guess the thing
is, I have a Prime membership already.
I would have probably never had paid
for a Wondery show.
But now that they have included that, well,
then, like you said, I might be willing
to
to give it a listen.
Yep. Same boat. I would never pay for
a Wondery show unless
it was very specific, and I'm you know,
I felt like it was a reasonable cost
for the content that I wanted, but I
never actually go out looking for it just
because I know there's so much good free
stuff out there. But if it's included,
it's, you know, in my mind, it's free.
So You know, the the thing that made
me kinda,
see here, look at their strategy
was that
okay. So they're they've all they're budgeting money
to just like on Amazon Prime for their
television, they're out there spending money on video
programming.
So probably now Wondery is probably just in
a a budget line now on Amazon say,
okay. You know, you gotta produce x number
of shows. And if they're hits, we'll continue
them. If they're not,
high risk
from that standpoint,
but it makes sense to make it available.
With Amazon having such a small, tiny,
really less than 1% market share of all
because everyone's podcast can be on their mind.
This one is on there.
With it having such slow
adoption,
it it's looking to me like they're trying
to kick start. Well, yeah. That's what I've
been thinking too of
they're doing this, one,
because,
you know, it's nice to include more things
in whatever package you're paying for. But to
give these shows, like, a kick start that
they need probably
or not even a kick start if they're
new, but just
a whole new bump in listens.
Right.
So anyway, so if you have an Amazon
Prime, which probably most people do because I
don't like to pay for shipping,
and I ship a lot of stuff in
Amazon, definitely check out, this, you know, premium
content. There is a report there's been very
little ad growth in quarter three. It fell
during the summer. It's picked up this fall.
So
the economy being what it is,
that's a little encouraging that the ad spend
has picked up a little bit. That that,
as far as I know, follows,
the economy in general. I remember
the news outlets coming out and saying that
in August, September,
that time, that,
like, that sales were picking up again. Mhmm.
And my first thought was, well, yeah, people
took the summer off for their kids, and
then they have to go back to school.
Like, they need to buy things. Yep.
So, yeah, they're doing that. It's not I
I don't know if it's people
suddenly having more
capability, but it's I think it's on a
need. Well, I think too as we spent
so much time
locked down, and now this is really the
first summer where people could just move and
do things.
It makes sense now that, you know, people
are back and it's getting cooler in some
regions of The US and other places, because
we're going into the the winter months here,
where it's starting to be summer down under,
but it's it is a
it's interesting,
to see what happens. And, of course, we'll
see what happens in the beginning of next
year. I guess the biggest surprise really is
sounder. Fm, which I really was not familiar
with,
is shutting down its podcast hosting, and they're
gonna they're gonna switch their business model. So
they got about 5,000 shows over there looking
for new homes.
I've seen some chitchatter on Twitter in various
different places. So if you are or know
of someone that is a Sounder
FM podcaster,
let them know. We're we're gonna we haven't
put it together yet, but have them email
us and we'd be happy to give them
a a really
sweet deal to move over
and,
a number of free months, to come over
and be on Blueberry. We're not changing
our business model, and we're gonna continue to
be in the hosting business. So if you
know someone that's on Sounderve, send them our
way. We'll be happy to take care of
them in
transitioning them off a platform that's basically kicking
them off. Yeah. One thing I will give
Sounder credit for is that they are announcing
it, like, they announced it this week, you
know, November 1, something like that. And it,
is not going to be shut down until
January 31.
That's, you know yeah. That's a good one,
two, three months for people to move.
Whereas we've seen instances before on December 22
or twenty third, a company says, oh, we're
canceling our hosting service. And
in Christmas, they were dead, and people were
just
well, they had That's crushing. Yeah. They had
extinction events because people were on vacation and,
you know, they just did not give people
up time. So ninety days. Yeah. Good on
Sounder for doing that.
And and I guess good luck on they're
going after brand safety.
They're gonna be doing brand safety stuff, which
to me is okay.
Interesting move.
Moving under our best practice,
we've got a topic, choosing a podcast
name.
Pick a distinct
and memorable
podcast
title.
So
I think a lot of podcasters make a
big mistake here when they do this.
Mhmm. People ask us all the time. Like,
they call in, and they're asking about hosting
or they're asking about, you know, how to
set up work or something like that. And
then once they get all their technical questions
out of the way, that's when they start
in on their,
on their podcast content questions. They just do
it out of curiosity because they know that
we work in podcasts. They're like, I want
your opinion. You work in this. Tell us.
And one of the first things that they
ask sometimes is, what do you think of
this title?
And sometimes, you have to tell them,
it's not it's not that great. You have
to find the you have to find the
words, but you have to break the news
to them. You you have to have you
have to have the ugly baby discussion. You
know? No one thinks their baby's ugly. Everyone
thinks their baby's beautiful. But sometimes, if you're
sitting outside, you're like, well, that's an ugly
baby.
So you have
you have to
right now, all our kids are beautiful. Right?
And then you didn't but sometimes you look
at other kids like, wow. You know?
Maybe more beautiful than mine.
But I I think
in in real realistic terms,
you gotta think about,
is your show first of all,
getting the show name to match what the
content is and making it easy.
You know, this is simple. Podcast insider.
Yeah. New media show. Yeah. Geek news. I
love the name of these shows. You know,
these these are simple names to remember, and
they're very
they're very distinct in what they,
you know, young foreigners, quick and dirty tips,
you know, and All of these are very
apt for what the actual content is. Right.
That makes sense.
So make sure and it isn't
it needs to be short. Three,
four words, if you can keep it in
there.
And again really good point, especially because everyone's
looking at this on mobile. Yep. You know,
that screen only goes so far. And it's
also something you gotta think about what's people
are gonna search for. You know?
And in that, you know, there's a bigger
discussion about that in episodes, but the picking
the name, I think, is is critical.
And then, of course, having
well thought out and designed cover art that
is
easy to read because many times we don't
read the title. We just look at the
cover art
And you see a picture and you don't
have to put your face on there. That's
not important. A lot of people do that.
I kinda prefer you don't a lot of
the time.
Like, I I don't care what you look
like. I care what the show's gonna be
about. And
a lot of the time based on the
creativity
of the
podcast artwork
Mhmm. I feel like I get a good
idea of the creativity
of the show
too. And also content that I'm about to
consume. You know, and I know people are
really worried about budget.
And I know the
people can go over to Fiverr and for,
you know, $25 or whatever, get
album art design. But
my caution to use and I and I
can't even design a stick figure. So that's
how bad I am.
So I need
I need help for someone that can do
are are artistically,
you know, more sensible than I am.
So
I can draw things and have an idea
and then hand that over. I think if
you use Fiverr, the risk you run up
against is getting copyright violations because they've used
some art from something that they probably shouldn't.
So you have to be real careful. There's
a lot of great
folks out there that for a couple $100
will
really do a fantastic job Mhmm. In creating
you original album art. But if nothing else,
you know, try to do it yourself. Try
to come up with it. And also be
very cognizant
of any of the art that you use
in there.
You can't you have to pass copyright. So
there's there is a few,
There's there's a lot of good programs out
there that you're able to
do it yourself or at least get started.
Mhmm. And then maybe have someone kind of,
like,
you know, add in
one
critical design
part, you know, and then you can take
that image and put it on there. But
Canva is a really good one that we
recommend. We use that for a lot of
our social stuff.
But it's you
to an extent,
you get what you're paid for. And if
you're gonna do a a brand if you're
working on brand image from the beginning,
don't pick some weird font. Try to pick
a font that's pretty well known so that
if you want more stuff commissioned later that
someone isn't gonna say, oh, what is that
font you use
if you're trying to carry over the brand.
So
but, again, I think the note here says
it never hurts to get a few pair
of eyes to weigh on these choices. Lastly,
consider SEO advantage and disadvantages with the desired
title. Absolutely.
Mhmm.
So,
we're hiring.
Sadly, Cho, the who is with us for
a couple of years, as an intern and
then full time, She's moved on to she's,
getting ready to produce,
pursue her master's degree. And at the same
time,
she's, in a new job where she's doing
some stuff that's applicable
to her master's degree.
And so that means we're hiring. We're hiring
a social media strategist.
And, we love to hire from the family.
So We would love to hire a podcaster.
If you submit your
application,
please let us know
via email
that you're part of the podcasting family and
that you're either a listener or a podcaster,
and you're interested in the position and
your name so we can go drag your
your CV to the top and review it
because,
it just it's I think it makes better
a better
match in the long term.
There's a level of understanding that you just
automatically have if you're already a podcaster going
into trying to figure out what type of
content that people want on their social media
platforms and how and what other people are
already doing. Like, if you're consuming something else,
there's a lot of advantages there, but, also,
you know, what you said about putting it,
like, let us know if you apply.
People that aren't putting their podcast experience on
their resume or create a position like this,
you are
making a mistake. And I've reviewed about 50
applications where only one person has any podcast
experience so far in those. Yeah. I've got
more to go through, but,
we're gonna be going through this process for
a couple of weeks. So you got a
little time to get,
an application in.
But we do have right now some constraints.
If you're an exceptional candidate, we may consider,
but we want someone in Michigan, Ohio, Indiana,
Colorado,
and Arizona. That's where we have payroll set
up already.
Yeah. If it's exceptional candidate, we'll consider setting
up payroll in your state,
but it's
it's a pain.
It is it is fully remote,
but we wanna be in those states if
possible
or if you wanna move to The States.
Now the position doesn't have a
a stipend for moving. So
but again, anything is negotiable. But,
definitely But we do have some good other
benefits.
Oh, absolutely. It's a full it's it's full
on. It's a full time position with health,
with, medical, dental, vision,
four zero one
k, health savings plan,
some tuition,
reimbursement
for advanced education.
Mhmm. So And PTO.
And PTO. I would not be here if
you guys did not offer PTO. Yes. And
p a paid
PTO.
Yes. So yeah. I you know what? Benefits
in this day and age
are are a non negotiator.
So
so We're happy to provide them. Yep. Absolutely.
So send us, send us your resume. We
wanna hear from you. And if you don't
have one ready, say, hey. I've got one
coming, and here's my name. Just hold on.
It's coming in a week or whatever.
And and, you know, if you don't think
that you're the right person for this,
but you know or, you know, listen to
the show,
email us and and connect us to someone
who you think might be the right person.
Yep. Absolutely.
And,
we changed somebody's life, bringing part of the
team here.
Mhmm. Alright. We do have a blueberry pro
tip. This comes from Toby. So I'll if
everything's queued up right, I'll play this right
now.
Hi. It's Toby Goodman here. A few weeks
ago, I spoke about how disappointed I am
when I see podcasters
ask me what questions I'd like to answer
on their podcast.
These podcasts are set up in such a
way that just leaves me feeling like I'm
filling a content hole and yet so many
people are doing it. You could literally copy
and paste the premeditated
sound bites from one interview
to another.
What a wasted opportunity for us as podcasters.
Isn't it more powerful to create something remarkable
so our guests feel like they've been involved
in a meaningful and memorable conversation?
The greatest and most memorable interviews of our
times have included
thoughtful questions.
As podcasters,
interviews are one of the most powerful ways
we can create remarkable content for our audience.
In the last few months, I've been focusing
on asking better questions.
While I understand there is value in journalists
strategically
creating questions so politicians, celebrities, and the like
fall on their own swords, that's not really
the kind of questions I'm talking about.
Simply because with my interview podcast episodes, my
aim is to make the guest the star
so that they simply feel compelled to share
our conversation
with the people in their world.
Welcome to the world of highly targeted organic
marketing.
And all that's required is preparation.
A few prep habits I've created along the
way are as follows.
Ask your guests ahead of time what they
don't want to talk about. It immediately shows
respect and puts them at ease.
Ask for a bio. Look them up on
the Internet and study their LinkedIn profile.
When you do, look at all the aspects,
career, education,
and interests.
Once you have that information,
think about questions that fill in the gaps.
I recently interviewed Nobel Peace Prize winner, Lamine
Abdul Malik.
Having studied his LinkedIn profile, I noticed that
after helping to build a cancer hospital in
Zambia, he took a break to set up
a cafe in South Africa.
While it's all there in the LinkedIn bio,
it gave me a lot to ponder and
led to a set of questions that I
hope created a unique, fun, and memorable interview
for him.
On the subject of the cafe, I asked,
what led to the decision?
How did you convince your wife and family
to move country?
Why would anyone move away from working in
cancer
to baking cakes and making coffee?
How did you adjust?
What are your memories of that time?
How did it affect your children?
What led to you moving away again?
Looking back on it today,
what did you take from that experience?
These are just a few questions I noted
down about one line on a LinkedIn bio.
So next time you interview someone on your
podcast,
think about what questions you can ask that
will bring out a unique story
and in turn will help you create a
truly unique shareable
episode.
If you'd like support with your podcast from
positioning to production, I'd love to hear from
you. You can reach out at blueberry pro
dot
com.
You know,
oftentimes,
and recently I've been doing a lot of
interviews, it's the person that's done the homework,
listened to some maybe some previous interviews and
picked up on, like, one or two things
that we didn't get into that they come
out and say, hey. By the way,
I was recently in an interview where someone
had heard about my interaction with Steve Jobs,
and he asked about that during the show.
In all the times I've been doing interviews,
it's the only person that has ever
asked that
without me freely giving it as part of
an example of, you know, you never know
who's listening to your show. So I think
it really is important that you do a
little bit of homework. And I tell you,
as soon as I get an email from
a podcaster says these are the questions we're
going to go to, I'm like,
ugh. Yeah. You're not one for the, you're
not one for the bulleted list of questions.
And, you know, some people are, but I
think there's a lot of
opportunity for more organic
but productive
conversation
if the interviewer
does their homework.
Yeah. Anyone can have a good conversation
if you're trying. There's And I feel like
a lot of time people interviewing don't try.
They're just like, they're they're they're providing me
everything I need, and
they're not. There's a certain on fire show
that asks the same five questions. Same five
questions every episode.
And I'm like, oh, please. Just just shoot
me. It's this is boring.
I'll get in deeper, dig in more stuff.
And the guest already has
listened to one or two episodes. They know
the questions they're gonna ask. Oh, yeah. So
it's like,
just to me, that's boring, boring, boring. Robotic.
Yep. But, anyway, question of the week. Thanks,
Toby, for that. And blueberrypro.com.
Question of the week is, is posting slash
promoting my podcast daily too much?
So it I I think this is a
perhaps. I think it's how it's done.
I I don't know if I follow anything,
like, podcast wise or really, you know, show
movie wise,
that promotes every single day and says, like,
watch this episode or
find it here or, you know, the something
something something.
What I think goes
goes a longer way
and is better for everyone involved is engagement.
You whenever you see,
like, a tweet go viral or a video
go viral or something like that, it's because
the company
was involved with
some someone not involved with the company. Some,
you know, quote, unquote, civilian.
It's like the user the social media user
has interacted with the social media
company.
You know? And it's
it just ends up being a lot more
entertaining and fun to be with.
You know, promoting
is at a lot of different levels. It
could
be maybe have a reel
from an episode, or
maybe
you wanna
talk about this three minute segment or something
to that effect. I think that's okay,
but
I think the average podcaster doesn't have time.
I think they have
so much time to do their show, so
much time to do promotion as long as
you ink out some time
to do a little promotion for each episode.
And let's say that's thirty minutes.
And what does that thirty minutes consist of?
Does is it consists of making a short
reel? Does it consist of
writing some copy to basically say this this
part of the episode was fantastic. You need
to go and give someone a kicker to
get over.
I I think as long as
you eke out some time
in your in your in your cycle
to promote the episode, I think that's what
almost can do.
You know, if you have the Blueberry Pro
team, they're gonna be helping you produce a
a number of things to promote. But if,
like,
just on your own,
you're gonna be like, oh, man. I gotta
put on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram.
No. Just put it a couple places where
your tribe's at and be done with it.
And
it's a good idea, like like you said,
to schedule all of this, you know,
like, days, weeks, whatever it is that you
want out from when you're publishing this original
episode. And then if you schedule
quite a bit ahead of time, that does
give you the opportunity
to engage a little bit. You know, when
you are just scrolling and on your own
social media platforms,
that's when you're able to get involved. But
you don't have to be responsible for posting
each reel or tweet or Facebook post or
Reddit question, whatever it is, like, every single
time live because that that is what will
take it out of you. That's what the
average podcaster does not have time for. And
I think too, there is this,
I consider promoting hanging out where where my
listeners hang out.
So if I see something that has been
talked about that I've talked about my show,
say, hey, by the way, I talked about
that in the show. Show episode x x
x.
And about this point in the show, you
wanna go listen, take it listen. And that
that to me is as much promotion as
do anything else. But I guess it depends
if you're hanging out with your audience and
you you have to know where your audience
hangs out. And that's a whole another topic
for another show. So Yes. It is.
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