1 00:00:04,639 --> 00:00:07,839 My biggest wish for women who don't feel 2 00:00:07,839 --> 00:00:10,639 like themselves but can't quite put it, you 3 00:00:10,639 --> 00:00:13,755 know, other finger on it is to advocate 4 00:00:13,755 --> 00:00:14,255 advocate 5 00:00:14,875 --> 00:00:15,455 for yourself 6 00:00:16,394 --> 00:00:17,295 so fiercely. 7 00:00:19,515 --> 00:00:21,675 I'm Kai Sorensen, director of podcast at Balancing 8 00:00:21,675 --> 00:00:23,695 Life's Issues, and this is your job now. 9 00:00:23,914 --> 00:00:25,454 Let's talk about women's health. 10 00:00:25,835 --> 00:00:27,595 It wasn't until 2023 11 00:00:27,595 --> 00:00:29,980 that scientists used actual blood to test menstrual 12 00:00:29,980 --> 00:00:33,280 products. For decades, manufacturers use saline or water. 13 00:00:33,340 --> 00:00:35,420 That's how little attention women's bodies have received 14 00:00:35,420 --> 00:00:38,380 in health research. In today's episode, Wendy Wellner 15 00:00:38,380 --> 00:00:40,539 sits down with doctor Mariah Prince Allen, a 16 00:00:40,539 --> 00:00:43,034 nurse practitioner and founder of Telehealth for Her, 17 00:00:43,515 --> 00:00:45,274 to explore how women can reclaim their health 18 00:00:45,274 --> 00:00:47,774 and how leaders can build hormone intelligent workplaces. 19 00:00:48,155 --> 00:00:50,234 Because women's health isn't just a personal issue, 20 00:00:50,234 --> 00:00:52,814 it's a leadership issue. Here's their conversation. 21 00:00:54,075 --> 00:00:55,774 Morning, afternoon, evening. 22 00:00:56,489 --> 00:00:58,089 We're we're new to each other, so this 23 00:00:58,089 --> 00:00:59,710 is gonna be totally exciting. 24 00:01:00,089 --> 00:01:01,689 So go ahead. Let me hear your elevator 25 00:01:01,689 --> 00:01:03,449 pitch. Go for it. Who are you? Yes. 26 00:01:03,449 --> 00:01:05,849 I'm doctor Mariah Prince Allen. I am a 27 00:01:05,849 --> 00:01:08,409 board certified nurse practitioner, and I am the 28 00:01:08,409 --> 00:01:10,329 owner of Telehealth for Her, which is a 29 00:01:10,329 --> 00:01:12,045 virtual women's wellness practice, 30 00:01:12,665 --> 00:01:14,424 where we help high achieving women who are 31 00:01:14,424 --> 00:01:17,385 executives and entrepreneurs to balance the hormones, fix 32 00:01:17,385 --> 00:01:19,545 their gut, and to have sustainable weight loss, 33 00:01:19,545 --> 00:01:21,784 but more importantly, to really feel like themselves 34 00:01:21,784 --> 00:01:24,265 again. And then I just recently got into 35 00:01:24,265 --> 00:01:25,805 corporate wellness consulting, 36 00:01:26,859 --> 00:01:28,400 where I've been helping businesses 37 00:01:28,780 --> 00:01:30,619 develop what I like to call a hormone 38 00:01:30,619 --> 00:01:31,760 intelligent workplace. 39 00:01:32,219 --> 00:01:34,780 Mhmm. So that is a little bit about 40 00:01:34,780 --> 00:01:37,739 me and recently have been a keynote speaker 41 00:01:37,739 --> 00:01:40,159 and just recently gave my first TEDx talk. 42 00:01:40,534 --> 00:01:43,174 Yes. Yes. So you rock you're rocking the 43 00:01:43,174 --> 00:01:43,674 world. 44 00:01:43,974 --> 00:01:45,655 Yes. I am. Trying to make a difference 45 00:01:45,655 --> 00:01:46,935 in this world when it comes down to 46 00:01:46,935 --> 00:01:49,274 women and their health, particularly their hormone health. 47 00:01:49,494 --> 00:01:49,994 Yeah. 48 00:01:50,454 --> 00:01:51,594 Well, certainly, 49 00:01:52,054 --> 00:01:54,240 something that's been super interesting to me just 50 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,500 personally and and professionally. So, 51 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,120 one second story about me that not many 52 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,680 people knew know is I was super young 53 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:02,819 when I got my period, 54 00:02:03,359 --> 00:02:05,920 and I had super horrible periods. I'm sure 55 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,664 this story sounds so familiar to you. Yes. 56 00:02:08,664 --> 00:02:10,584 For those of you listening, you're probably very 57 00:02:10,584 --> 00:02:13,224 uncomfortable right now because of me talking about 58 00:02:13,224 --> 00:02:13,965 this. Right? 59 00:02:14,664 --> 00:02:16,185 And I spent a good chunk of my 60 00:02:16,185 --> 00:02:16,685 time 61 00:02:16,985 --> 00:02:18,664 being told suck it up even by my 62 00:02:18,664 --> 00:02:20,424 own mom who's, like, my best man. Right? 63 00:02:20,424 --> 00:02:21,944 Like, this is being a woman. You're being 64 00:02:21,944 --> 00:02:23,564 a woman. You've tough it up. 65 00:02:23,889 --> 00:02:24,209 Yep. 66 00:02:24,930 --> 00:02:27,009 And How old are you? I was 11 67 00:02:27,009 --> 00:02:28,229 when I got I was 10. 68 00:02:28,530 --> 00:02:31,430 10. Okay. Kindred spirits here. Right? Yes. 69 00:02:32,849 --> 00:02:33,349 And, 70 00:02:34,370 --> 00:02:35,110 the Thursday, 71 00:02:35,569 --> 00:02:37,634 right before I kinda had an idea, I, 72 00:02:38,034 --> 00:02:39,094 was getting engaged, 73 00:02:40,354 --> 00:02:42,435 I was keeled over in pain, rushed to 74 00:02:42,435 --> 00:02:43,174 the hospital, 75 00:02:43,555 --> 00:02:45,394 and long story short, it was the first 76 00:02:45,394 --> 00:02:47,414 of many operations. I had PCOS. 77 00:02:47,794 --> 00:02:49,574 At that time, it was called Cyne Leventhal 78 00:02:49,715 --> 00:02:53,159 has changed more. Super common for women. Right? 79 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:54,139 Very common. 80 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,659 Yes. And it's so interesting to me because, 81 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,699 you know, I did end up having hysterectomy. 82 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,159 I did take fertility drugs for, you know, 83 00:03:03,159 --> 00:03:04,680 two of my three children. I hope they 84 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,219 knew that. They know that now. 85 00:03:07,465 --> 00:03:09,944 But but the the overriding thing, what interest 86 00:03:09,944 --> 00:03:11,784 me at you is I'm a can you 87 00:03:11,784 --> 00:03:13,704 tell I'm an open book? I talk about 88 00:03:13,704 --> 00:03:15,245 it. I love that. Me too. 89 00:03:15,625 --> 00:03:17,884 But not this. But not this. 90 00:03:18,824 --> 00:03:19,965 This was something. 91 00:03:20,490 --> 00:03:22,569 And the only reason I ended up telling 92 00:03:22,650 --> 00:03:23,849 would you like to know why I ended 93 00:03:23,849 --> 00:03:25,770 up talking about this? To know why. Well, 94 00:03:25,770 --> 00:03:27,050 it's so nice of you to ask me. 95 00:03:27,050 --> 00:03:29,210 Thank you. I was at an interview with 96 00:03:29,210 --> 00:03:29,789 a client. 97 00:03:30,569 --> 00:03:32,169 And if you can imagine, I'm on Park 98 00:03:32,169 --> 00:03:34,490 Avenue, in his office, in investment banking, on 99 00:03:34,490 --> 00:03:36,925 this beautiful white couch. Can you envision this? 100 00:03:36,985 --> 00:03:37,485 Yeah. 101 00:03:37,865 --> 00:03:39,405 And you mess up the white couch. 102 00:03:40,585 --> 00:03:43,645 Piles and piles of blood. Oh, man. 103 00:03:43,944 --> 00:03:45,944 And he wants to call 911, which, of 104 00:03:45,944 --> 00:03:47,544 course, I understood. Of course, I knew I 105 00:03:47,544 --> 00:03:49,405 didn't need to call 911. 106 00:03:49,625 --> 00:03:50,125 Right. 107 00:03:51,330 --> 00:03:54,050 And I remember the shame, that horrible, like, 108 00:03:54,050 --> 00:03:55,969 this is my fault. I'm the one that 109 00:03:55,969 --> 00:03:58,050 blanked it up. I did this. I caused 110 00:03:58,050 --> 00:04:00,209 this. Now I really can't tell anyone, and 111 00:04:00,209 --> 00:04:02,050 that's when I actually started getting involved in 112 00:04:02,050 --> 00:04:03,729 women's health. Love that. 113 00:04:04,370 --> 00:04:07,344 And I realized that it's and and and 114 00:04:07,344 --> 00:04:09,185 the news is worse now than ever. We've 115 00:04:09,185 --> 00:04:10,564 moved far backwards, 116 00:04:10,865 --> 00:04:12,705 but now you're in this world of trying 117 00:04:12,705 --> 00:04:14,405 to fix this. Mhmm. 118 00:04:15,665 --> 00:04:17,584 Yeah. And I think that's one of the 119 00:04:17,584 --> 00:04:19,824 things too that, like, I'm so passionate about 120 00:04:19,824 --> 00:04:20,884 too was because 121 00:04:21,389 --> 00:04:23,470 we used to actually treat women and their 122 00:04:23,470 --> 00:04:26,589 hormone health, especially, like, perimenopause and menopause. Well, 123 00:04:26,589 --> 00:04:28,430 not so much perimenopause because I don't think 124 00:04:28,430 --> 00:04:30,509 we just really knew what that was. But 125 00:04:30,910 --> 00:04:32,750 and then in 02/2002, 126 00:04:32,750 --> 00:04:34,589 when the Women's Health Initiative study came out, 127 00:04:34,589 --> 00:04:36,995 we just ripped away hormone replacement therapy out 128 00:04:36,995 --> 00:04:38,514 of fear that we're gonna cause women to 129 00:04:38,514 --> 00:04:41,095 have breast cancers and strokes and heart attacks 130 00:04:41,555 --> 00:04:44,134 and blood clots. We let one single study 131 00:04:44,194 --> 00:04:47,014 change the medical world for decades. 132 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,279 Yep. And it wasn't really until, I think, 133 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:51,579 it was July 17, 134 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,220 the FDA finally had a panel 135 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,819 with some medical experts that said, you know, 136 00:04:57,959 --> 00:05:00,045 we need to look at this black box 137 00:05:00,045 --> 00:05:02,524 award. Like, we need like, this isn't quite 138 00:05:02,524 --> 00:05:04,925 right. Like, you know, HR team is the 139 00:05:04,925 --> 00:05:07,725 tool for women that they need, and it's 140 00:05:07,725 --> 00:05:10,205 way more than just their hot flashes. And 141 00:05:10,205 --> 00:05:12,925 I'm like, thank you. Finally, I've been saying 142 00:05:12,925 --> 00:05:14,779 that for a few years now. I wanna 143 00:05:14,779 --> 00:05:17,180 unpack something that you said that isn't as 144 00:05:17,180 --> 00:05:18,860 obvious. It is to you as an expert, 145 00:05:18,860 --> 00:05:20,939 but but dealing with the audience as I 146 00:05:20,939 --> 00:05:21,839 do is that, 147 00:05:22,139 --> 00:05:24,379 you know, you just made a a huge 148 00:05:24,379 --> 00:05:27,014 statement that we just don't understand. So we 149 00:05:27,014 --> 00:05:29,415 really didn't start talking about women's health until 150 00:05:29,415 --> 00:05:31,574 the two thousand year. We lived in a 151 00:05:31,574 --> 00:05:33,335 world of men's health, 100% 152 00:05:33,335 --> 00:05:34,074 men's health. 153 00:05:34,455 --> 00:05:36,295 Everything that he was done on men, everything 154 00:05:36,295 --> 00:05:38,215 was talked about with men, everything with men, 155 00:05:38,215 --> 00:05:39,779 and then they just said, well, women must 156 00:05:39,779 --> 00:05:41,300 be about the same, so we'll just lump 157 00:05:41,300 --> 00:05:42,040 them in. Right. 158 00:05:44,339 --> 00:05:47,220 Yeah. And we are definitely not like I'm 159 00:05:47,220 --> 00:05:50,259 still not understanding the difference between, you know, 160 00:05:50,259 --> 00:05:52,579 race and culture and all the different things 161 00:05:52,579 --> 00:05:54,045 that go into it. Right? So we're we're 162 00:05:54,125 --> 00:05:55,645 still we have a lot to learn. So 163 00:05:55,645 --> 00:05:58,205 the first thing is women's health is brand 164 00:05:58,205 --> 00:06:00,705 new. It is. We're literally in our infancy 165 00:06:00,764 --> 00:06:03,485 stage. We're literally in our infancy stage. Yeah. 166 00:06:03,485 --> 00:06:06,365 Because women, just like children, were considered in 167 00:06:06,605 --> 00:06:09,139 you know, were considered a vulnerable population 168 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:10,660 in research studies. 169 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:12,580 That's exactly right. Yeah. 170 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,639 And so that's sort of shocking to me. 171 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:18,720 So we don't have the data that we 172 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:19,220 necessarily 173 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,705 might want or might need. And then the 174 00:06:21,705 --> 00:06:24,024 second thing is is there is an emotional 175 00:06:24,024 --> 00:06:26,105 component to it. I think the whole field, 176 00:06:26,105 --> 00:06:28,185 I think, especially when thinking about perimenopause and 177 00:06:28,185 --> 00:06:31,064 menopause is new because I think celebrities have 178 00:06:31,064 --> 00:06:33,225 started to talk about their experiences, and we 179 00:06:33,225 --> 00:06:34,589 realized that, you know, 180 00:06:34,990 --> 00:06:36,990 every woman was gonna go through this. And 181 00:06:36,990 --> 00:06:40,050 despite your socioeconomic status or or your educational 182 00:06:40,110 --> 00:06:40,610 well-being, 183 00:06:40,990 --> 00:06:43,389 no woman had the resources to prepare for 184 00:06:43,389 --> 00:06:45,229 them. And I think that was where we 185 00:06:45,229 --> 00:06:47,229 started to level the playing field, I think, 186 00:06:47,229 --> 00:06:48,610 when it came down to menopause. 187 00:06:49,345 --> 00:06:51,504 Yeah. Yeah. And and how long it is. 188 00:06:51,504 --> 00:06:52,964 Right? Yeah. That's 189 00:06:53,264 --> 00:06:55,824 right. Yeah. So that's so interesting. And it 190 00:06:55,824 --> 00:06:58,064 is interesting because, you know, in the corporate 191 00:06:58,064 --> 00:07:00,064 wellness space, which we're both in, I will 192 00:07:00,064 --> 00:07:02,699 say we do get comments and questions. 193 00:07:03,639 --> 00:07:06,040 We do get seminar requests on menopause, which 194 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,520 I'm super happy to hear. Yeah. Everything you 195 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,699 wanna know in, you know, five minutes. But 196 00:07:10,759 --> 00:07:12,860 I thought for the sake of our listeners, 197 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,660 I would start with some real tool bag. 198 00:07:16,064 --> 00:07:17,285 The number one 199 00:07:18,145 --> 00:07:20,564 point, the number one action that you want 200 00:07:20,944 --> 00:07:23,264 not just women, but people to know about 201 00:07:23,264 --> 00:07:25,585 women's health is what? What's the numb you 202 00:07:25,585 --> 00:07:27,205 go first, and I'll tell you mine. 203 00:07:27,745 --> 00:07:29,519 I think the number one thing I want 204 00:07:29,599 --> 00:07:31,519 people to understand about women's health is that 205 00:07:31,519 --> 00:07:32,979 it's not a women's health issue. 206 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,800 Okay. It is definitely a public health crisis, 207 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,319 especially when it comes down to menopause. It's 208 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:40,560 a leadership issue. Like, it's not just a 209 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:41,539 one per issue. 210 00:07:42,079 --> 00:07:43,759 So we'll play tennis here. I'll give you 211 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:44,259 mine. 212 00:07:45,004 --> 00:07:47,564 Mine is that, I I I and you 213 00:07:47,564 --> 00:07:49,004 gotta give me a minute because I have 214 00:07:49,004 --> 00:07:50,925 to do a convoluted story. But when I 215 00:07:50,925 --> 00:07:52,444 went to buy my first car, I very 216 00:07:52,444 --> 00:07:55,004 much my dad said get white walls. Get 217 00:07:55,004 --> 00:07:57,120 white wall tires, get white wall tires. So 218 00:07:57,199 --> 00:07:58,319 So I didn't know what it was, but 219 00:07:58,319 --> 00:07:59,680 I trusted my dad. I got the car. 220 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,199 I came home and showed him. I'm like 221 00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:02,720 and he's like, Wendy, there are no white 222 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,479 wall tires. Like, these are black wall. I'm 223 00:08:04,479 --> 00:08:06,000 like, what do you mean? The guy said, 224 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,339 I totally believed the guy. Right. 225 00:08:08,959 --> 00:08:10,720 I didn't realize that they should show the 226 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:11,699 white walls. Right? 227 00:08:12,314 --> 00:08:14,715 So many years later after I got my 228 00:08:14,715 --> 00:08:15,455 full hysterectomy, 229 00:08:16,154 --> 00:08:18,395 the gynecologist said we're gonna do a, 230 00:08:19,035 --> 00:08:20,955 you know, we're gonna test you for cervical 231 00:08:20,955 --> 00:08:22,975 cancer. Mhmm. Well, if you have a hysterectomy, 232 00:08:23,275 --> 00:08:25,455 you no longer have a cervix. Correct. 233 00:08:26,310 --> 00:08:29,529 So to continue going for cervical cancer treatments 234 00:08:29,589 --> 00:08:30,089 makes, 235 00:08:30,710 --> 00:08:33,029 screenings makes no sense. But if you don't 236 00:08:33,029 --> 00:08:35,210 learn to ask the question Right. 237 00:08:35,669 --> 00:08:37,590 You just go into autopilot, like, sell me 238 00:08:37,590 --> 00:08:38,914 the black wall. I don't know know the 239 00:08:38,914 --> 00:08:41,154 difference. I'm not gonna say anything. Yeah. So 240 00:08:41,154 --> 00:08:44,274 my number one is ask everything that you 241 00:08:44,274 --> 00:08:47,334 might ever think of, including the stupidest things. 242 00:08:47,394 --> 00:08:47,894 Yeah. 243 00:08:48,514 --> 00:08:51,629 I love that too. It's not obvious. Right. 244 00:08:52,730 --> 00:08:54,649 And I think it's really important because in 245 00:08:54,649 --> 00:08:56,490 this situation, I normally say go talk to 246 00:08:56,490 --> 00:08:58,589 your parents or your moms, your dads, but 247 00:08:58,649 --> 00:09:00,490 because the studies or fields are so new, 248 00:09:00,490 --> 00:09:02,169 they're not gonna be a good resource. Right? 249 00:09:02,169 --> 00:09:03,850 Yeah. And I think one of the things 250 00:09:03,850 --> 00:09:04,589 that I 251 00:09:04,955 --> 00:09:08,075 learned when I entered into the women's health, 252 00:09:08,075 --> 00:09:10,634 hormone health arena is that I actually had 253 00:09:10,634 --> 00:09:12,495 a conversation with my OB GYN, 254 00:09:12,875 --> 00:09:14,955 and I said, you know, do you think 255 00:09:14,955 --> 00:09:16,894 this is crazy if I go into this? 256 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,179 And she said, no. I think it's amazing 257 00:09:19,399 --> 00:09:22,120 because as an OB GYN, I didn't learn 258 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,120 about menopause, believe it or not. And a 259 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:25,720 lot of people come to me about their 260 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,480 menopause hormone issues, and I don't know what 261 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:28,379 to do with them. 262 00:09:29,605 --> 00:09:31,524 But what's something very personal that you do 263 00:09:31,524 --> 00:09:33,144 that helps you with your hormones? 264 00:09:33,764 --> 00:09:35,125 I think for me, one of the things 265 00:09:35,125 --> 00:09:37,945 that I do is I really value my, 266 00:09:38,164 --> 00:09:39,065 like, peace, 267 00:09:39,924 --> 00:09:42,085 and try to limit as much stress peace. 268 00:09:42,085 --> 00:09:43,764 I don't even know what that means. I 269 00:09:43,764 --> 00:09:46,759 know. Right? And try to, like, limit stress. 270 00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:48,519 I think one of the things that we 271 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:51,080 don't think about as women is stress really 272 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:51,580 does, 273 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,340 impact our hormones. 274 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,519 And so I really am strict about saying, 275 00:09:56,519 --> 00:09:58,825 okay, Yes to certain things and no to 276 00:09:58,825 --> 00:10:00,684 things that I feel like will just amplify 277 00:10:00,745 --> 00:10:02,024 my stress and not be good for my 278 00:10:02,024 --> 00:10:04,044 overall health. So what's your morning routine? 279 00:10:04,504 --> 00:10:06,184 My morning routine is I get up in 280 00:10:06,184 --> 00:10:06,845 the mornings. 281 00:10:07,304 --> 00:10:09,544 I usually am, like, kinda, like, looking at 282 00:10:09,544 --> 00:10:11,490 my calendar for the day. I will get 283 00:10:11,490 --> 00:10:14,049 up and work out. I'll usually have, like, 284 00:10:14,049 --> 00:10:15,889 a cup of coffee or something if I 285 00:10:15,889 --> 00:10:17,009 want to, if I feel like I didn't 286 00:10:17,009 --> 00:10:18,690 rest well. But I try to start my 287 00:10:18,690 --> 00:10:19,910 mornings off slow. 288 00:10:20,610 --> 00:10:22,049 I am not one to just get out 289 00:10:22,049 --> 00:10:24,049 of the bed and get to moving. That 290 00:10:24,049 --> 00:10:25,730 is not good for your core goals. To 291 00:10:25,730 --> 00:10:26,230 really, 292 00:10:27,225 --> 00:10:28,584 I I would like to sit there for 293 00:10:28,584 --> 00:10:30,664 a minute because I think that's something you 294 00:10:30,664 --> 00:10:32,745 know, we saw some news this morning that 295 00:10:32,745 --> 00:10:35,245 working moms are leaving corporate America again, 296 00:10:35,704 --> 00:10:35,945 and, 297 00:10:36,584 --> 00:10:38,504 I think that's a really important point. Part 298 00:10:38,504 --> 00:10:40,584 of the reason they're leaving is exactly what 299 00:10:40,584 --> 00:10:42,450 you just said. Yeah. You know, they want 300 00:10:42,450 --> 00:10:44,470 a morning routine that works for their family. 301 00:10:44,690 --> 00:10:45,190 Yep. 302 00:10:46,289 --> 00:10:48,049 So having to get up at 04:00 in 303 00:10:48,049 --> 00:10:49,589 the morning to have me time. 304 00:10:50,769 --> 00:10:52,230 Right. Yeah. Right. 305 00:10:53,585 --> 00:10:55,264 And the so I think that's a really 306 00:10:55,264 --> 00:10:57,105 important point. For some people, it may be 307 00:10:57,105 --> 00:10:59,184 easy to go slow, and for others, that's 308 00:10:59,184 --> 00:11:01,424 as hard as getting into an Ivy League 309 00:11:01,424 --> 00:11:03,424 school. Like, take it down a notch. Just 310 00:11:03,424 --> 00:11:05,745 take it down a notch. Literally. I wrote 311 00:11:05,745 --> 00:11:07,919 an article on LinkedIn that says, is your 312 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:11,460 morning routine sabotaging your hormones? Yep. Yeah. 313 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,179 And my son were like, I had no 314 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,240 idea. I was doing all the things you 315 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:16,740 mentioned. 316 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:17,700 Yeah. 317 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:18,740 Now 318 00:11:19,615 --> 00:11:22,095 I I think what's also amazing about it 319 00:11:22,095 --> 00:11:25,554 is bringing gender into the health conversation. Right. 320 00:11:26,335 --> 00:11:28,575 Yes. So this is a story that I 321 00:11:28,575 --> 00:11:30,735 rarely tell that I saved it for you. 322 00:11:31,375 --> 00:11:33,535 I was on a cruise in Alaska, and 323 00:11:33,535 --> 00:11:34,915 I had massive seizures. 324 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:36,000 Right. 325 00:11:36,460 --> 00:11:39,019 And luckily did go to a neurologist that 326 00:11:39,019 --> 00:11:41,740 had been studying the correlation between seizures and 327 00:11:41,740 --> 00:11:42,240 menopause. 328 00:11:42,620 --> 00:11:43,120 Yeah. 329 00:11:44,620 --> 00:11:47,894 And, coincidentally, Brooke Shields then had seizures very 330 00:11:47,975 --> 00:11:50,535 shortly thereafter, and this idea of menopause and 331 00:11:50,535 --> 00:11:51,995 seizures came to be. 332 00:11:52,855 --> 00:11:54,075 And one of the correlations, 333 00:11:55,254 --> 00:11:57,975 maybe, of course not proven, is alcohol. So 334 00:11:57,975 --> 00:11:59,894 let's talk a little bit about that glass 335 00:11:59,894 --> 00:12:01,115 of wine. Yes. 336 00:12:01,415 --> 00:12:02,634 What do you say or wherefore? 337 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,279 I tell my clients all the time, your 338 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:06,879 glass of wine every night will give you 339 00:12:06,879 --> 00:12:08,740 breast cancer faster than your HRT. 340 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,200 Yep. Yes. Can you just stay there for 341 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:12,639 a minute? Because what you just said is 342 00:12:12,639 --> 00:12:13,700 something very powerful. 343 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,759 You and I are both fighting a very 344 00:12:15,759 --> 00:12:18,185 powerful lobby. So if you would repeat what 345 00:12:18,185 --> 00:12:20,585 you just said slower and more impactful for 346 00:12:20,585 --> 00:12:22,345 women to hear because we do need to 347 00:12:22,345 --> 00:12:24,125 root cause it, that would be important. 348 00:12:24,585 --> 00:12:27,644 Your glass of wine every night 349 00:12:28,264 --> 00:12:30,845 is going to give you breast cancer 350 00:12:31,225 --> 00:12:31,725 quicker 351 00:12:32,185 --> 00:12:32,685 than 352 00:12:33,009 --> 00:12:34,389 hormone replacement therapy. 353 00:12:35,089 --> 00:12:35,589 Yeah. 354 00:12:36,529 --> 00:12:39,029 So I think it's really interesting to own 355 00:12:39,169 --> 00:12:40,610 some things that we do know, and that 356 00:12:40,690 --> 00:12:42,529 that's one. And we always invite people to 357 00:12:42,529 --> 00:12:45,190 listen to our podcast to get really hard 358 00:12:45,409 --> 00:12:45,909 advice 359 00:12:47,335 --> 00:12:50,394 and acting steps. So we've got slow mornings, 360 00:12:51,095 --> 00:12:51,535 reduce 361 00:12:51,975 --> 00:12:53,575 Yeah. Height of the wall. And I can 362 00:12:53,575 --> 00:12:54,215 tell you that, 363 00:12:54,934 --> 00:12:57,095 I was at a women's event last night, 364 00:12:57,095 --> 00:12:59,335 and I was very disappointed that I had 365 00:12:59,335 --> 00:13:01,595 to justify my decision yet again. 366 00:13:01,919 --> 00:13:02,899 So I hope women 367 00:13:03,759 --> 00:13:06,159 continue to support other women who don't drink. 368 00:13:06,159 --> 00:13:06,659 Yeah. 369 00:13:08,159 --> 00:13:10,419 Without really good mocktails out there. 370 00:13:10,799 --> 00:13:13,279 Thank you. I've heard they actually filed a 371 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:14,480 little complaint with the, 372 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,120 restaurant. And in Europe, I have to tell 373 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,184 you, nonalcoholic wine is found everywhere in every 374 00:13:20,184 --> 00:13:22,184 single restaurant. It's a big part of their 375 00:13:22,184 --> 00:13:22,684 culture, 376 00:13:23,065 --> 00:13:25,804 and I'm shouting out to the American industry 377 00:13:25,865 --> 00:13:28,664 to say, get some the alkalized wine. Like, 378 00:13:28,664 --> 00:13:30,764 there's tons of really good you know? 379 00:13:31,304 --> 00:13:33,610 If you were to say the next shocking 380 00:13:33,610 --> 00:13:35,929 thing that you think no one knows, what 381 00:13:35,929 --> 00:13:38,329 would it be? I think the next shocking 382 00:13:38,329 --> 00:13:40,429 thing that I would say is 383 00:13:41,129 --> 00:13:43,709 that menopause causes The United States 384 00:13:44,250 --> 00:13:48,509 to lose $1,800,000,000 385 00:13:48,965 --> 00:13:49,465 every 386 00:13:50,565 --> 00:13:52,345 year due to lost work productivity 387 00:13:53,205 --> 00:13:53,865 in women. 388 00:13:55,445 --> 00:13:57,384 And the answer to that is what? 389 00:13:57,925 --> 00:13:59,625 The answer to that is 390 00:14:00,485 --> 00:14:04,105 leaders, executives, business owners actually learning 391 00:14:05,139 --> 00:14:07,000 how to have a hormone 392 00:14:07,379 --> 00:14:08,679 intelligent workplace 393 00:14:09,220 --> 00:14:11,159 to support the brand. Right? 394 00:14:11,539 --> 00:14:12,360 Our podcast, 395 00:14:13,460 --> 00:14:15,779 and this is your job now. Yes. And 396 00:14:15,779 --> 00:14:17,860 for the leaders who say, I don't wanna 397 00:14:17,860 --> 00:14:18,759 talk about menopause. 398 00:14:19,835 --> 00:14:21,434 I don't wanna, you know, I don't wanna 399 00:14:21,434 --> 00:14:23,434 deal with that. HR. Send it to HR 400 00:14:23,434 --> 00:14:25,295 and then HR says HIPAA privacy. 401 00:14:25,995 --> 00:14:27,514 I think the third piece of you said, 402 00:14:27,514 --> 00:14:29,115 I don't really care if you care enough. 403 00:14:29,115 --> 00:14:31,595 Your bottom line will care. Yes. Your your 404 00:14:31,595 --> 00:14:33,055 retention rates, your productivity. 405 00:14:33,754 --> 00:14:35,250 Yes. All of that stuff matters 406 00:14:35,730 --> 00:14:37,889 because women who are going through menopause, they 407 00:14:37,889 --> 00:14:40,230 make up such a large portion 408 00:14:41,250 --> 00:14:43,409 of the workforce. And I think, you know, 409 00:14:43,409 --> 00:14:45,490 we think about menopause. We think of women 410 00:14:45,490 --> 00:14:47,730 in their fifties and sixties that's, you know, 411 00:14:47,730 --> 00:14:50,065 halfway out of their career, but it's not. 412 00:14:50,065 --> 00:14:52,144 It's the women in their forties, the women 413 00:14:52,144 --> 00:14:53,284 in their late thirties. 414 00:14:54,144 --> 00:14:55,985 Well, and you know what's interesting about this 415 00:14:55,985 --> 00:14:57,424 is now that we know that they're just 416 00:14:57,424 --> 00:15:00,325 leaving corporate America, they're gonna be starting competitive 417 00:15:00,384 --> 00:15:02,570 companies. Yes. They are. And I'm like, you 418 00:15:02,570 --> 00:15:04,649 go, girl. And when women start a business 419 00:15:05,290 --> 00:15:06,990 I love it. I love it. 420 00:15:07,690 --> 00:15:09,049 And you know what? Just so I can 421 00:15:09,049 --> 00:15:11,529 tell you, even, the other day, one of 422 00:15:11,529 --> 00:15:14,169 my employees was having struggling with it. We 423 00:15:14,169 --> 00:15:16,410 have a video on policy, super strict about 424 00:15:16,410 --> 00:15:18,365 it. But, you know, she had teams me. 425 00:15:18,365 --> 00:15:19,804 I have a bad headache. I get it. 426 00:15:19,804 --> 00:15:21,485 Headaches are part of it. Headaches are part 427 00:15:21,485 --> 00:15:22,225 of the journey. 428 00:15:22,764 --> 00:15:24,284 And so on that day, the right thing 429 00:15:24,284 --> 00:15:25,804 for me to do is say no videos. 430 00:15:25,804 --> 00:15:27,725 Why don't you just go low key? Turn 431 00:15:27,725 --> 00:15:29,804 the lights down, but support the headache for 432 00:15:29,804 --> 00:15:31,710 today. You don't need to take a sick 433 00:15:31,710 --> 00:15:33,230 day because, you know, you don't need to 434 00:15:33,230 --> 00:15:35,389 take but you can work around your headaches. 435 00:15:35,389 --> 00:15:37,490 We can we can create an environment 436 00:15:38,110 --> 00:15:39,649 that will support that. 437 00:15:40,830 --> 00:15:42,990 So I think that's an interesting idea of 438 00:15:42,990 --> 00:15:45,794 leaders being super empathetic. It's not so easy. 439 00:15:45,855 --> 00:15:47,934 It's not. And I think too what makes 440 00:15:47,934 --> 00:15:50,595 it hard is that most leaders of companies 441 00:15:50,654 --> 00:15:51,394 are men. 442 00:15:52,095 --> 00:15:52,595 Yet. 443 00:15:53,054 --> 00:15:55,315 Yeah. So And and and, unfortunately, 444 00:15:55,934 --> 00:15:58,220 and I say that with all bias, we've 445 00:15:58,220 --> 00:16:00,860 also never had a woman president. No. And 446 00:16:00,860 --> 00:16:02,540 I think when we get women in the 447 00:16:02,540 --> 00:16:05,259 right positions, we'll see a dramatic change in 448 00:16:05,259 --> 00:16:06,080 women's health. 449 00:16:07,259 --> 00:16:08,779 Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how far we 450 00:16:08,779 --> 00:16:10,485 are. So closing tips. 451 00:16:11,044 --> 00:16:13,044 What what can people do? What do you 452 00:16:13,125 --> 00:16:15,044 what is your biggest wish for us right 453 00:16:15,044 --> 00:16:17,044 now? Send us off with a bang. My 454 00:16:17,044 --> 00:16:20,164 biggest wish for women who don't feel like 455 00:16:20,164 --> 00:16:23,125 themselves but can't quite put it, you know, 456 00:16:23,125 --> 00:16:26,230 other finger on it is to advocate for 457 00:16:26,230 --> 00:16:26,730 yourself 458 00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:28,330 so fiercely. 459 00:16:28,790 --> 00:16:30,950 You know? If you're not getting the answers 460 00:16:30,950 --> 00:16:33,210 that you need from your health care provider, 461 00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:36,149 find another one. You may have to actually 462 00:16:36,149 --> 00:16:37,690 invest in your health care. 463 00:16:38,475 --> 00:16:40,794 And I think that's important. And then I 464 00:16:40,794 --> 00:16:43,134 would say too for the business owners 465 00:16:43,754 --> 00:16:45,914 is to just learn a little bit, even 466 00:16:45,914 --> 00:16:47,274 if it's just a little bit nugget, to 467 00:16:47,274 --> 00:16:48,335 have that empathy 468 00:16:48,955 --> 00:16:52,909 for your co workers, your colleagues, your employees 469 00:16:53,610 --> 00:16:55,610 so that we can keep women in the 470 00:16:55,610 --> 00:16:56,110 workforce. 471 00:16:57,129 --> 00:16:58,750 Yeah. I love it. 472 00:16:59,370 --> 00:17:01,129 We are wishing you all the success in 473 00:17:01,129 --> 00:17:03,865 your new endeavor. Please stay I thanks for 474 00:17:03,865 --> 00:17:05,545 joining. Will, thanks so much for having me. 475 00:17:05,545 --> 00:17:06,365 This is awesome. 476 00:17:16,490 --> 00:17:18,329 Thanks for listening to this is your job 477 00:17:18,329 --> 00:17:20,970 now, produced by me, Kai. If this episode 478 00:17:20,970 --> 00:17:22,650 made you think or made you feel, we 479 00:17:22,650 --> 00:17:24,490 hope it also made you realize you don't 480 00:17:24,490 --> 00:17:26,329 have to figure this out all alone. Leadership 481 00:17:26,329 --> 00:17:28,654 today is about presence, not perfection. To learn 482 00:17:28,654 --> 00:17:30,974 more, follow Wendy Wohner on LinkedIn, subscribe to 483 00:17:30,974 --> 00:17:33,214 Balancing Life's Issues on YouTube, or stream the 484 00:17:33,214 --> 00:17:35,535 podcast wherever you listen. Because if you're leading 485 00:17:35,535 --> 00:17:37,855 people, this is your job now. Anything else 486 00:17:37,855 --> 00:17:38,674 to add, Miles?