1 00:00:00,305 --> 00:00:02,725 - The years that Reverend Wood labored among the people 2 00:00:02,725 --> 00:00:05,005 of Chester were crucial and exciting ones. 3 00:00:05,185 --> 00:00:09,005 In the spring of 1859, a fugitive slave who had traveled 4 00:00:09,105 --> 00:00:11,125 for eight days on the road from Delaware 5 00:00:11,155 --> 00:00:12,605 arrived in Chester, New York. 6 00:00:15,955 --> 00:00:18,725 - Welcome - To Balancing Life's Issues, the podcast. 7 00:00:19,175 --> 00:00:21,685 Today we are wrapping up Black History Month with a call 8 00:00:21,685 --> 00:00:23,765 to action reach out to your community. 9 00:00:24,465 --> 00:00:27,845 But why? Well, if there's anything I've learned this month, 10 00:00:27,995 --> 00:00:30,445 it's that learning about one another can be challenging. 11 00:00:30,585 --> 00:00:33,365 At first, I was nervous going into many 12 00:00:33,365 --> 00:00:34,965 of these conversations because I was afraid 13 00:00:34,965 --> 00:00:37,405 of saying the wrong thing or offending a colleague. 14 00:00:37,825 --> 00:00:40,245 But that's the point. We have to be able 15 00:00:40,245 --> 00:00:42,005 to navigate difficult conversations 16 00:00:42,065 --> 00:00:44,805 so we can learn from one another so we can empathize, 17 00:00:45,225 --> 00:00:46,365 so we can help one another. 18 00:00:47,335 --> 00:00:49,725 Black History Month is about celebrating our shared 19 00:00:49,725 --> 00:00:50,885 history as Americans. 20 00:00:51,345 --> 00:00:52,885 And the resilience of Black Americans 21 00:00:52,885 --> 00:00:54,925 through adversity is worth celebrating, 22 00:00:55,585 --> 00:00:56,885 not removing instead, 23 00:00:57,705 --> 00:00:59,005 but you have to make an effort 24 00:00:59,025 --> 00:01:01,245 to move in a vulnerable direction of curiosity 25 00:01:01,555 --> 00:01:04,445 because you might not like what you find out about yourself. 26 00:01:05,065 --> 00:01:06,925 And for those of us who don't have access 27 00:01:06,945 --> 00:01:09,565 to the experts at BLI that I've had the pleasure 28 00:01:09,565 --> 00:01:12,085 of learning from this month, start with your community 29 00:01:12,345 --> 00:01:13,805 and its historical society. 30 00:01:14,315 --> 00:01:17,205 Because for me, it all started with a photo. 31 00:01:22,395 --> 00:01:24,725 When my wife and I moved to Chester, New York in the summer 32 00:01:24,725 --> 00:01:27,325 of 2020, we never thought that almost four years later, 33 00:01:27,585 --> 00:01:29,005 we would own the home We were renting 34 00:01:29,005 --> 00:01:30,005 and have an eight month old 35 00:01:30,065 --> 00:01:31,685 who literally learned how to crawl last night. 36 00:01:32,425 --> 00:01:34,565 We assumed this was just a stepping stone 37 00:01:34,585 --> 00:01:36,685 to wherever we would end up post pandemic, 38 00:01:37,305 --> 00:01:38,845 but we fell in love with the community. 39 00:01:39,585 --> 00:01:41,005 And it was through the home buying process 40 00:01:41,035 --> 00:01:43,925 that we discovered that our house was built in 1842. 41 00:01:44,385 --> 00:01:46,765 So as a Christmas gift from my wife, I reached out 42 00:01:46,765 --> 00:01:48,885 to the local Historical Society in hopes 43 00:01:48,885 --> 00:01:50,925 that there was a photo I could frame from like 44 00:01:50,925 --> 00:01:51,965 the sixties or seventies. 45 00:01:52,585 --> 00:01:56,205 But what I got back from Clifton via email was a whole 46 00:01:56,315 --> 00:01:57,325 file on our home. 47 00:02:02,385 --> 00:02:04,365 - So I see a bunch of children, 48 00:02:04,505 --> 00:02:06,485 and it looks like this is from a long time ago. 49 00:02:06,545 --> 00:02:09,525 - That's Greg, multimedia specialist at Balancing Life's 50 00:02:09,525 --> 00:02:13,125 Issues, describing this photo of our home from the 1840s 51 00:02:13,715 --> 00:02:15,005 when it used to be a school. 52 00:02:15,135 --> 00:02:17,125 - Right. This is probably like the entire 53 00:02:17,135 --> 00:02:18,405 elementary school Yeah. 54 00:02:18,405 --> 00:02:19,445 - Of, of the town. Right. 55 00:02:20,065 --> 00:02:21,165 - And it's like, not that many. 56 00:02:21,235 --> 00:02:23,645 It's probably what, like 20 children? Yeah. 57 00:02:23,865 --> 00:02:28,405 And it's girls and boys, um, a lot of white children, 58 00:02:28,505 --> 00:02:31,365 but it does look like there are two, 59 00:02:31,915 --> 00:02:33,845 - Yeah, two, maybe three children of color. 60 00:02:34,185 --> 00:02:35,245 - The, the more I look at it, 61 00:02:35,245 --> 00:02:37,405 the more actually children of color that I see 62 00:02:42,105 --> 00:02:43,445 - In New York state where we live. 63 00:02:43,515 --> 00:02:47,445 Slavery was not abolished until March 31st, 1817, 64 00:02:47,675 --> 00:02:52,125 setting July 4th, 1827 as the date of final emancipation 65 00:02:52,505 --> 00:02:54,885 and making New York the first state to pass a law 66 00:02:55,105 --> 00:02:57,285 for the total abolition of legal slavery. 67 00:02:58,225 --> 00:03:00,765 So as I look at this photo of my home that was built 68 00:03:00,785 --> 00:03:02,285 as a school 25 years 69 00:03:02,335 --> 00:03:04,045 after emancipation in New York, 70 00:03:04,595 --> 00:03:06,445 it's no surprise there are children of color. 71 00:03:06,895 --> 00:03:08,885 Maybe some of them are first generation children 72 00:03:08,985 --> 00:03:10,005 of former slaves. 73 00:03:10,505 --> 00:03:12,845 And as I shared this photo around town to locals 74 00:03:12,845 --> 00:03:14,965 that we had become friends with, they entered, 75 00:03:14,965 --> 00:03:17,925 shared the widely known rumor that Chester New York was part 76 00:03:17,925 --> 00:03:18,965 of the Underground Railroad. 77 00:03:19,425 --> 00:03:21,405 Little did I know that for a time, 78 00:03:21,745 --> 00:03:23,565 the Underground Railroad station in Chester 79 00:03:24,145 --> 00:03:26,085 was only steps from my front door. 80 00:03:34,065 --> 00:03:36,365 Hi Clifton. Hey, how you doing? Good. 81 00:03:36,365 --> 00:03:38,525 - How are you? - Good, good. Leslie Smith. 82 00:03:38,905 --> 00:03:41,005 Hi, Leslie. I had to find out 83 00:03:41,005 --> 00:03:43,645 what else Clifton knew about the Black American history 84 00:03:43,645 --> 00:03:45,725 of Chester, and it was to no surprise 85 00:03:45,795 --> 00:03:47,645 that he was happy to tell me what he knew. 86 00:03:48,025 --> 00:03:50,085 So I met him at his house. So is this the 87 00:03:50,455 --> 00:03:51,645 historical society? 88 00:03:51,865 --> 00:03:53,845 And you know, you're in the right place when you think 89 00:03:53,845 --> 00:03:55,685 you're at the Chester Historical Society, 90 00:03:55,785 --> 00:03:57,645 but you're actually at the historian's home? 91 00:03:57,875 --> 00:03:59,045 - Well, my name's Cliff Patrick. 92 00:03:59,225 --> 00:04:00,565 I'm the town of Chester historian, 93 00:04:00,785 --> 00:04:03,165 and I was, uh, appointed in 2003 94 00:04:03,345 --> 00:04:05,725 - And his wife and clearly partner in crime, uh, 95 00:04:05,725 --> 00:04:06,725 - Leslie Smith. 96 00:04:06,725 --> 00:04:09,565 And I was president of the Chester Historical Society, 97 00:04:09,685 --> 00:04:13,085 I am gonna say 1994, in 1995. 98 00:04:13,465 --> 00:04:15,445 - And as I sat down, there were piles of papers 99 00:04:15,545 --> 00:04:18,445 and photos that Clifton had clearly spent hours pouring over 100 00:04:18,445 --> 00:04:21,005 concerning the black history of Chester, all 101 00:04:21,005 --> 00:04:22,485 of which was so fascinating. 102 00:04:22,865 --> 00:04:25,205 The most relevant though, to me were the stories of 103 00:04:25,205 --> 00:04:27,485 where I find myself buying Farm Fresh produce. 104 00:04:27,865 --> 00:04:29,405 And the Underground Railroad station 105 00:04:29,675 --> 00:04:31,165 just steps from our home. This 106 00:04:31,165 --> 00:04:33,045 - Is the, uh, document I mentioned to you. 107 00:04:33,265 --> 00:04:37,325 Uh, it's, it's, um, from 1720 when, uh, 108 00:04:37,585 --> 00:04:40,965 Daniel Crimeline mortgage basically mortgaged his or sold 109 00:04:40,965 --> 00:04:42,285 or mortgaged his property, uh, which 110 00:04:42,385 --> 00:04:45,645 - Was, so this, this is the, - This, uh, an indenture. 111 00:04:46,025 --> 00:04:49,685 He binds, uh, binds himself his son 112 00:04:49,745 --> 00:04:53,565 and his properties, which at the time was 3066 acres. 113 00:04:54,265 --> 00:04:55,405 So we covered much 114 00:04:55,405 --> 00:04:58,085 of the northern part of the town of Chester. And 115 00:04:58,085 --> 00:04:59,405 - This property you're talking about, this is the 116 00:04:59,405 --> 00:05:00,645 where Rose Orchard is in 117 00:05:00,645 --> 00:05:01,645 - Yeah. 118 00:05:01,645 --> 00:05:02,005 Rose Orchard. Gotcha. 119 00:05:02,345 --> 00:05:05,525 And attached to this was a, um, memorandum, which, 120 00:05:05,745 --> 00:05:07,485 um, lists the chattel. 121 00:05:07,905 --> 00:05:10,445 And chattel is like personal property as opposed 122 00:05:10,505 --> 00:05:11,805 to, uh, real property. 123 00:05:12,585 --> 00:05:15,325 And it does specifically list, uh, 124 00:05:15,415 --> 00:05:18,445 three slaves included along with some cattle. 125 00:05:18,825 --> 00:05:20,765 Wow. And two of them are Indian 126 00:05:21,025 --> 00:05:22,845 and one is colored, uh, negro, 127 00:05:23,145 --> 00:05:26,285 - An amendment to these mortgaging, or 128 00:05:26,285 --> 00:05:27,925 however you wanna put it, of the property, 129 00:05:28,205 --> 00:05:29,405 included this personal list. 130 00:05:29,535 --> 00:05:32,445 Right. Which puts three human lives. Mm-Hmm. 131 00:05:32,485 --> 00:05:34,125 , uh, in the same level 132 00:05:34,225 --> 00:05:35,765 or the same piece of paper as cattle. 133 00:05:35,795 --> 00:05:38,005 - Yeah. Yeah. But this is, as far as we know, 134 00:05:38,005 --> 00:05:41,165 this is the only existing document proves the evidence 135 00:05:41,165 --> 00:05:42,685 of Indian slaves in Orange County. 136 00:05:42,995 --> 00:05:44,685 Okay. Very cool. So it's, you know, 137 00:05:44,755 --> 00:05:46,005 it's very unique at that level. 138 00:05:46,145 --> 00:05:47,245 - So a place that my wife 139 00:05:47,245 --> 00:05:48,885 and I go often for the best produce 140 00:05:49,025 --> 00:05:50,325 and apple cider donuts 141 00:05:50,325 --> 00:05:53,565 around had slaves on its property years ago, way 142 00:05:53,565 --> 00:05:54,925 before the time of its current owners. 143 00:05:55,385 --> 00:05:56,925 But what about this Underground Railroad 144 00:05:57,075 --> 00:06:00,085 - With the Fugitive Slave Act that was passed about 1850, 145 00:06:00,785 --> 00:06:05,205 it became illegal to, uh, harbor or assist escape slaves. 146 00:06:05,925 --> 00:06:09,165 A lot of, um, people didn't talk about breaking law. 147 00:06:09,695 --> 00:06:11,245 - Right. You wouldn't want to write down 148 00:06:11,755 --> 00:06:14,445 what you were doing illegally, um, at that time. 149 00:06:14,505 --> 00:06:16,445 Mm-Hmm. . So I guess there's probably not much 150 00:06:16,925 --> 00:06:18,045 documented in that way, 151 00:06:18,305 --> 00:06:22,125 - Uh, less than, um, other factors of our, uh, social life. 152 00:06:22,355 --> 00:06:25,125 Sure. But, um, first time I heard about, um, 153 00:06:25,515 --> 00:06:28,685 underground Railroad was, uh, uh, a rumor 154 00:06:28,715 --> 00:06:32,885 that there was a tunnel underneath the high Street, 155 00:06:33,375 --> 00:06:35,245 - Which in the street we live on. Mm-Hmm. 156 00:06:35,285 --> 00:06:39,285 - connecting, uh, what's now known as 15, um, 157 00:06:39,835 --> 00:06:42,725 15 High Street with the house across the street. 158 00:06:43,205 --> 00:06:45,925 I heard stories, uh, actually one from, uh, 159 00:06:46,635 --> 00:06:48,285 bill Durland who died a few years ago. 160 00:06:48,305 --> 00:06:51,645 But he, as a child, um, he said that there was a, 161 00:06:51,705 --> 00:06:53,325 uh, time he was kid. 162 00:06:53,325 --> 00:06:54,765 There were all these little like Heidi places 163 00:06:54,865 --> 00:06:55,965 in the house, like, oh, 164 00:06:56,585 --> 00:06:57,585 - Fun, fun for a kid. 165 00:06:57,585 --> 00:06:58,605 But little did he know, 166 00:06:58,605 --> 00:06:59,605 - Oh, yeah, yeah. 167 00:06:59,605 --> 00:07:00,765 Behind the closets. Um, 168 00:07:01,305 --> 00:07:02,605 - So this would be okay. 169 00:07:02,605 --> 00:07:04,845 Yeah. I, I see, I know, I recognize the pillars. 170 00:07:04,865 --> 00:07:06,125 So this is the home in across the street? 171 00:07:06,225 --> 00:07:07,485 Across the street. During 172 00:07:07,505 --> 00:07:08,645 - The 1850s. 173 00:07:08,745 --> 00:07:12,725 It was the home of the, it was the parsonage for the, uh, 174 00:07:13,045 --> 00:07:16,165 Chester Presbyterian Church Pastor at that time was, uh, 175 00:07:16,295 --> 00:07:17,325 James Wood, I believe. 176 00:07:17,605 --> 00:07:19,965 Reverend James Wood. Yep. Yep. And, uh, 177 00:07:20,705 --> 00:07:22,405 - Now this is Helen Fred Morris's history 178 00:07:22,405 --> 00:07:24,405 of the Presbyterian Church. Oh, okay. 179 00:07:24,505 --> 00:07:26,965 - Got it. - The years that Reverend Wood labored 180 00:07:27,015 --> 00:07:30,125 among the people of Chester were crucial and exciting ones. 181 00:07:30,345 --> 00:07:34,125 In the spring of 1859, a fugitive slave who had traveled 182 00:07:34,225 --> 00:07:36,245 for eight days on the road from Delaware 183 00:07:36,275 --> 00:07:37,765 arrived in Chester, New York. 184 00:07:38,275 --> 00:07:41,125 According to the Fugitive Slave law, the people 185 00:07:41,145 --> 00:07:43,845 of Chester were duty bound to take him into custody 186 00:07:44,505 --> 00:07:46,805 and surrender him to federal authorities 187 00:07:46,805 --> 00:07:48,325 to be returned to his master. 188 00:07:48,635 --> 00:07:50,925 However, a collection was taken for him. 189 00:07:51,145 --> 00:07:53,445 He was given a ticket on the Erie Railroad 190 00:07:53,945 --> 00:07:56,005 and sent on to Elmira, New York, 191 00:07:56,335 --> 00:07:58,885 where he was much farther on his journey to Canada. 192 00:07:59,425 --> 00:08:02,765 The curiosity and conjecture resulting from this incident in 193 00:08:02,885 --> 00:08:06,485 Chester was all unknown to the unsuspecting public, 194 00:08:06,835 --> 00:08:08,765 very close to a very important station 195 00:08:08,865 --> 00:08:10,285 of the Underground Railroad. 196 00:08:10,505 --> 00:08:13,205 The terminus of a line running from Philadelphia 197 00:08:13,755 --> 00:08:14,765 through New Jersey, 198 00:08:14,985 --> 00:08:17,405 and across the town of Warwick to Walton Lake 199 00:08:17,745 --> 00:08:20,205 and to Chester, New York from Chester, 200 00:08:20,425 --> 00:08:22,125 two lines continued northward. 201 00:08:22,305 --> 00:08:25,285 The station in Chester was the Presbyterian 202 00:08:25,445 --> 00:08:27,125 parsonage and the Wow. 203 00:08:27,305 --> 00:08:30,845 And the station master was the Reverend James W. Wood. 204 00:08:31,225 --> 00:08:32,925 The children of the Reverend Wood. 205 00:08:33,175 --> 00:08:35,725 Among the directions that their father gave them were the 206 00:08:35,725 --> 00:08:38,645 following, that when they saw a certain carriage 207 00:08:39,005 --> 00:08:41,325 approaching, they should open the carriage house doors 208 00:08:41,465 --> 00:08:43,085 and allow it to drive into the building. 209 00:08:43,875 --> 00:08:46,845 Then they must close the doors and go into the house. 210 00:08:47,705 --> 00:08:49,805 The vehicle which had arrived was the means 211 00:08:49,805 --> 00:08:52,485 of transportation for the, for the fugitives 212 00:08:53,115 --> 00:08:55,645 from the depot at Walton Lake to Chester. 213 00:08:56,545 --> 00:08:59,485 As soon as the Negroes were securely concealed, 214 00:09:00,145 --> 00:09:01,285 the carriage would depart 215 00:09:01,305 --> 00:09:05,085 and go on its return to Walton Lake when federal men 216 00:09:05,345 --> 00:09:08,125 and local spies became too busy in the neighborhood, 217 00:09:08,545 --> 00:09:09,725 the trip from Walton Lake 218 00:09:09,785 --> 00:09:11,925 and back would be made in the dark of night, 219 00:09:12,275 --> 00:09:15,045 less known than the Presbyterian parsonage at Chester 220 00:09:15,585 --> 00:09:18,005 as a station was the home of the Drake family. 221 00:09:18,915 --> 00:09:22,005 This house referred to as Drake's Inn was one 222 00:09:22,005 --> 00:09:23,525 of the very old homes in Chester. 223 00:09:24,225 --> 00:09:28,685 The late Bell s told the old house had recesses in the walls 224 00:09:28,685 --> 00:09:31,445 where the slaves were secreted when the Drake 225 00:09:31,445 --> 00:09:32,645 family kept a station. 226 00:09:39,025 --> 00:09:40,285 - You know, just as a historian, 227 00:09:40,465 --> 00:09:42,165 and maybe we'll leave it, we'll leave it here. 228 00:09:42,515 --> 00:09:45,405 Like what, what do you feel is the importance of, 229 00:09:45,585 --> 00:09:48,205 of like educating ourselves on, on these kinds 230 00:09:48,205 --> 00:09:49,645 of stories in, in our communities? 231 00:09:50,715 --> 00:09:53,365 - Well, if you listen to the news, you tend 232 00:09:53,365 --> 00:09:54,965 to get little snippets and headlines. 233 00:09:54,965 --> 00:09:57,125 Mm-Hmm. . But the human condition, 234 00:09:57,165 --> 00:09:59,325 I think is much more involved 235 00:09:59,385 --> 00:10:01,045 and complicated than just the headlines. 236 00:10:01,655 --> 00:10:03,685 - There is so much prejudice, 237 00:10:03,865 --> 00:10:06,285 but what is needed is education. 238 00:10:06,495 --> 00:10:11,125 Right. So that even if you don't agree with a lot 239 00:10:11,185 --> 00:10:14,245 of things, at least you know where people are coming from. 240 00:10:14,245 --> 00:10:15,965 Right. And you know, the reason 241 00:10:16,565 --> 00:10:18,365 - I think it's a shame when people don't, uh, 242 00:10:18,775 --> 00:10:21,965 don't have their minds open to listening to the other side. 243 00:10:22,205 --> 00:10:23,805 'cause separating it from the 244 00:10:24,395 --> 00:10:26,205 hyperbole is, uh, sure, of course. The 245 00:10:26,205 --> 00:10:27,205 - Hard part. 246 00:10:27,205 --> 00:10:28,445 Yeah. That, that does seem like the challenge right now. 247 00:10:28,465 --> 00:10:29,445 Mm-Hmm. . And reach out 248 00:10:29,445 --> 00:10:30,365 to your local historian. 249 00:10:30,795 --> 00:10:32,885 Sure. See if they're willing to hang out and chat. 250 00:10:33,245 --> 00:10:34,805 , that was pretty easy, . 251 00:10:34,965 --> 00:10:36,565 I sent you one email and one phone call, 252 00:10:36,565 --> 00:10:37,605 and now I'm sitting in your 253 00:10:37,605 --> 00:10:39,285 home, uh, and you're just Mm-Hmm. 254 00:10:39,325 --> 00:10:40,725 dropping all this on on us. 255 00:10:40,745 --> 00:10:42,525 So, and it was at the end of our conversation 256 00:10:42,525 --> 00:10:45,445 that Leslie brought the work we do at BLI, full circle 257 00:10:45,955 --> 00:10:48,645 community is just one of the five buckets you need 258 00:10:48,645 --> 00:10:49,765 to throw water in sometimes 259 00:10:50,345 --> 00:10:52,285 as it helps create better work life balance. 260 00:10:52,595 --> 00:10:54,525 - When you said mental health and, 261 00:10:54,865 --> 00:10:56,485 and, uh, mental health and wellness. 262 00:10:56,515 --> 00:10:59,565 Yeah. I didn't leave the house. I didn't, I didn't drive. 263 00:10:59,885 --> 00:11:02,285 I didn't, I I was afraid to, I was afraid 264 00:11:02,285 --> 00:11:05,405 to leave my bedroom to actually walk, to go to the bathroom. 265 00:11:05,505 --> 00:11:07,525 Wow. That's how bad I was in a, a historic, 266 00:11:07,585 --> 00:11:09,485 and I went to a historical society meeting. 267 00:11:09,845 --> 00:11:12,125 I joined and I Oh, wow. And I got involved. 268 00:11:12,305 --> 00:11:16,405 And I think that probably led to getting back. 269 00:11:16,705 --> 00:11:17,845 You know, I think what you're doing 270 00:11:17,845 --> 00:11:19,045 that sounds very important. 271 00:11:19,065 --> 00:11:21,765 Mm. I mean, when you said that, I was like, this is really, 272 00:11:22,225 --> 00:11:23,685 you're really onto something here. 273 00:11:23,715 --> 00:11:25,845 - Yeah. Yeah. If, if we can pour ourselves into our 274 00:11:25,845 --> 00:11:27,205 community, we learn more about each other, 275 00:11:27,305 --> 00:11:28,525 we learn more about the diversity, 276 00:11:28,665 --> 00:11:29,725 we learn more about the history, 277 00:11:29,725 --> 00:11:30,925 and then we're just, we're all just 278 00:11:30,925 --> 00:11:32,045 better people as a result. 279 00:11:39,385 --> 00:11:40,445 Big thank you to Clifton 280 00:11:40,445 --> 00:11:42,645 and Leslie of the Chester Historical Society 281 00:11:42,785 --> 00:11:45,445 and to all of the BLI trainers that helped produce content 282 00:11:45,545 --> 00:11:47,685 for us as we celebrated Black History Month. 283 00:11:48,235 --> 00:11:49,645 It's up to you to make an investment 284 00:11:49,705 --> 00:11:50,845 in your community today. 285 00:11:50,985 --> 00:11:53,285 And who knows, maybe you'll run into a couple, 286 00:11:53,315 --> 00:11:54,525 just like Clifton and Leslie. 287 00:11:55,175 --> 00:11:57,005 Until next time, everyone, take care. 288 00:12:24,355 --> 00:12:26,765 This has been a production of Balancing Life's Issues 289 00:12:26,765 --> 00:12:28,285 with your hosts, Kai Sorenson 290 00:12:28,285 --> 00:12:30,925 and Wendy Wallner, produced by me Kai. 291 00:12:31,475 --> 00:12:32,565 Rate Lieber Review 292 00:12:32,605 --> 00:12:34,885 and subscribe to the podcast wherever you listen 293 00:12:35,025 --> 00:12:37,285 so you can get brand new episodes as they drop. 294 00:12:37,705 --> 00:12:38,725 Got an idea for the show. 295 00:12:39,215 --> 00:12:43,605 Email me, k i@balancinglifesissues.com. 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