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- Hey everybody, I'm
Doug and that's Connor.

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And this is the Bethel School
District Presents podcast.

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We have an amazingly
spectacular show for you today.

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We heading over to Spanaway
Middle School to talk

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with a dual language immersion teacher

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and two of her students.

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Now these students have been
in the program since they were

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in kindergarten and at the end

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of this school year they'll
be leaving middle school

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and heading off to high school

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and taking the program with 'em.

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It's gonna be a great conversation.

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- Absolutely exciting stuff. But

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before that, Doug, I was
watching something last night.

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You want to guess what I was watching?

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- I'm gonna go with either true Detective

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or reruns of the Golden Girls.

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- Two good guesses, both wrong.

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I was actually watching Freaky Friday. Oh

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- Remember that one?

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I do had Barbara Harris, Jody Foster,

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and it even had the guy

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that played Boss Hog
in the Dukes of Hazard.

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- Sir, I only recognize one Freaky Friday

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and it's starring Lindsay Lohan

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- <laugh>.

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We live very different lives.

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- That's very true. But anyway,

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it got me thinking if you Douglas

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could switch bodies
with anyone in the world

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for 24 hours Freaky Friday
style, who are you gonna choose?

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And more importantly why

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- This is a perplexing question.

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My initial thought is to
go with the family member

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because Freaky Friday, that's, that's og.

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That's how they did it.
But let's not go down

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that rabbit hole just yet
because I have questions sir.

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If I go into some sports guy's body,

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am I gonna have the talents

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and abilities that that sports person has?

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- Yes, you will. You will have full

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access of their capabilities.

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- Okay, so just to be clear,

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let's say I go into Michael Jordan's body.

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Am I gonna be able to dunk like Jordan?

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- Doug, your sports references
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Michael Jordan's about 65 years old.

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I don't, I don't know
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- Right now.

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I don't care. I wanna be like Mike.

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But that is some pretty
good information to have.

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I was also thinking Tony Hawk,

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but he's in his mid fifties I think.

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So I don't know how many bunny hop,

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three seventies he's got left in the tank.

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So if I picked a singer,
would I know all the words

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to all their songs and
like all the dance moves.

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So if I wanted to be like,
let's say Taylor Swift,

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would I be able to do that performance

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or would I have to practice
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- Well Doug, great question

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and I don't wanna get too
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but I will just say
whoever you body swap with,

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you do have access to their talents

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and abilities for that 24 hour period.

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- I do really like this question

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'cause now I'm thinking maybe
I could use it to travel.

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I don't really want to get on a plane

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and fly like 18, 24 hours
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But if I inhabited the body
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then they could come see Tacoma

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and I could see whatever's
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- Doug, as per use,

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you're putting a lot of thought into this.

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We appreciate that. I
wanna hear my answer.

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- I do. I'm really struggling
with this question.

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Not only do you have to figure
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with, but then you have to know that

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that person's gonna be switching with you.

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- There could be shenanigans and,

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and my answer, I'm gonna keep it short

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and simple since you're
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I'm gonna choose you Doug.

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'cause I've always wanted to
know what it was like working

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with a handsome genius.

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- Okay, so you are the
handsome genius. You said

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- It not me,
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So you are me, I'm you.

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But then you're working with me still, so

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- It's kind of a face off type of deal.

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- <laugh>. I gotcha. I'll be Travolta,

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I'll be Nick Cage all day.

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All day, all day. Okay, well
I'm gonna have to ponder this.

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Let's let you head over
to Spanaway Middle School

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and chat with our guests today.

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And when you get back to the
studio, I'll have my answer.

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- Joining us today is
Spanaway Middle School,

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dual language department lead

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and teacher Andrea Saldana,
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harmony and Leslie, thank
you all for joining us.

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So Andrea, I'm gonna start with you.

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Uh, some people may not be familiar

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with our dual language program.

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Can you give us a quick
rundown of what the program is

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and who's eligible to
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- So here in the Bethel
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referred to as a ninety ten
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So our students actually start at tk,

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which is transitional
kindergarten in an academic

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environmental setting where 90%

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of their day is in the
target language of Spanish

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and 10% is in English.

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they start even out in the English

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and Spanish where they get
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where they reach 50% in
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And their core content is
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So other districts have 80 10
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So here in Spanaway we
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So they're targeted audience
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speakers and heritage Spanish speakers.

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that we also have
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but we also have other cultures

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and ethnicities
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So then you have these
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for the students who are
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with the monolingual English speakers

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and then vice versa, we have
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speakers for our monolingual
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The goal is to continue
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and increase the language proficiency

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for both groups as they move up. And

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- What would you say the
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who are native Spanish speakers
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English speakers when they come in

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and how hard it is to try to
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of Spanish that we need, we
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of 80% native or heritage
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depending on the moves and
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- This is, I find this amazing.

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You've only known dual language programs

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Thomson Elementary next door here.

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What have you seen as the biggest benefit

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of this dual language program now

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that you're getting all the
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of the different cultures.

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Like not being part of
the Latino community.

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It's nice to see everybody
else, how everybody else feels.

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as the kind of biggest
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you've faced since you
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- Honestly, I feel like I've
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with people more and kind of understand

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where people's points of views come

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and how everyone like
everyone can come together

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and then just kind of be
themselves in one place.

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who haven't taken part in
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Could you describe just kind
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of your day you are in class
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speaking English versus both?

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rundown of maybe what they're missing. A

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- Typical day would be like 50 50 Spanish.

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We have three periods all in Spanish.

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and then one that's in the morning.

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but it's not too hard doing it for so long

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- And Andrea, how did you get involved

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with the dual language program

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and how long have you been
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- This is my third year in Bethel.

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I started here in Bethel
as they were just,

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this very group was moving from
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that I would help establish the cohort

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and help move up with them.

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I've been teaching in
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and I got started out of
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to speak Spanish and being bilingual

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in a different district.

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There's a need for more
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and it was just a happenstance.

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I was at the right place. Right time.

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of the benefits of this program.

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What have been some of the most

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getting that transition right

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between like moving from your
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little switch that you have.

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It just kind of gotta stay
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But once you get the hang of
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between learning a second language earlier

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easier at a younger age

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'cause you kind of get, like
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and put together when you like kind

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of grow up hearing those words.

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- I can see how it's
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new things in life. Yeah.

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- Brain's a sponge When you're young.

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And Andrea, I'm guessing
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on this as an educator.

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Um, any benefits that you see

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as at learning a second
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hit the nail on the head.

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Those are the foundational
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of the students' academic journeys.

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They'll need the vocabulary
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that they learn, even the
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We're super fortunate in this district

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to have a transitional kinder class

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for the dual language students
where they're preparing them

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for those academic challenges

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that they will see being
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especially for our monolingual students.

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of a kindergartner in the
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and it's just incredible to see

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how much further they can come just off

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So you're getting all the
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and, and as a mother.

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you're also learning about other cultures.

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What have you enjoyed most about

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that part of your education?
We'll start with you. Harmony.

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- I've enjoyed that.

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Instead of just watching
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I've been incorporated into it,

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especially at like the nights
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like the Tam night or Regos.

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It's just really nice to be
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of just watching from afar.

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- Yeah, very cool. And
Leslie, what about you?

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What, what are some of these, the

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cultural aspects that you enjoy?

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- I think the same thing that Harmony said

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and I also really enjoy like
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because sometimes it feels
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of bad, like just walking into the culture

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as if they're not part of it or anything.

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So it's for them, for some
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and you're just like kind of looking

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through a window without like,
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but like when you're really into it,

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I feel like it brings
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and then you kinda get to see like walk

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to other people's shoes and see

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how they feel being part of that culture.

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- So I, I wanted to ask you both about

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where you see yourselves using
this language proficiency

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as you move throughout
the rest of your lives.

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But I wanna do it in a
kind of interesting way.

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So I'm gonna ask, and I
would love to have one

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of you answer in Spanish

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and have the other translate
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So Leslie <laugh>,

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how do you see yourself
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skills in your adult life?

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Well that, that sounded amazing.

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As a non-Spanish speaker, I
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So this is where Harmony,
this is where you come in

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and you obviously, I don't expect

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a word for word translation.

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She had a very in-depth answer,

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but could you give me a translation of

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what your friend has just said?

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- She said that using Spanish
day to day can really help

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and it's really nice to be
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with jobs and stuff where
if you go to a store

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and somebody there speaks Spanish,

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it helps connect everybody together.

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Especially with the
native Spanish speakers

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that don't really know English that well

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and in other places that the culture,

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it just gets engraved in
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- Fantastic. Yeah, great answer.

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Anything else that people
should know about the program

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that I didn't ask that's important?

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- I think there's a lot
of hesitancy from parents

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to enroll their students
in these kinds of programs,

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especially if they are heritage
or native Spanish speakers.

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'cause they're so worried about the

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English language acquisition.

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And for those parents, I would,
I would just encourage them

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to like do their research

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and homework, talk to
students, talk to teachers

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because it is just such a valuable

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and great opportunity for their students.

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They get lifelong skills that
will just transfer over into

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so many areas of their lives.

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And our students come out
so mature, so profound.

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And it's just a different
experience. And it does take time.

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It does take practice commitment

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and effort, which we all know

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that at some points students
will have their highs,

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students will have their lows,

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but just continuing to support them

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because it is, it is worth it.

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- Yeah. So many benefits to the program.

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Um, anything that either
of you would like to add?

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- Honestly, I just feel like the program

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is kind of just like a puzzle.

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Like it kind of depends the amount

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of effort you put into it.

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And if you kind of just keep going

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and putting all those pieces together,

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then you'll, you'll get places.

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- I bet. Uh, harmony, anything from you? I

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- Agree with Leslie on
the part that we have

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to put the pieces together
as like a whole community.

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It can't just be a few people doing it.

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It all has to come together
and so do the people.

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- Well that's awesome.
Well thank you all so much

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for joining us and talking
about this really cool program.

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- Yeah, no problem. Thank
you. You're welcome. Very fun.

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- That's gonna wrap up our
show for this week, Connor.

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Amazing interview.

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Love hearing from those students

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and I'm excited to see
where they're headed once

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they get to high school.

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Back to our question that started at all

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that I haven't been able
to stop thinking about.

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If you could switch bodies with someone

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for 24 hours Freaky Friday
style, who would it be and why?

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Connor, you said me so

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that you could look at yourself
in a non mirrored way, which

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a little bizarre, but I like it.

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I'm gonna go off book and say Darby Allen.

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He is a professional
wrestler slash stunt person

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of internet fame.

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He's actually training to
climb Mount Kilimanjaro soon.

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He does all kinds of crazy
stuff. Seems to never get hurt.

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And I just want to know

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what it's like to be him for one day.

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And I bet whatever day I pick I'd

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be doing something real weird.

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- Well, Doug, if you want

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to get body slammed, you could just ask

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- <laugh>.

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That's gonna wrap it up
for this week, everybody.

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We'll be back next week with another show,

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some other great guests and some

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more nonsense from Connor and I.

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Thanks for listening.

