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- GLP ones, Medicare Advantage Headwinds, a Medicaid landscape

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- that looks different

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- Their leadership right now means making durable decisions

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- organizations pulling ahead are the ones that stopped

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- waiting for stability

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- before acting. Becker's fifth annual fall payer issues

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- roundtable convenes more than 500

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- and 70 plus speakers November second and third

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- Two days of senior level dialogue on affordability,

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- benefit design, value based care, and the strategies

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- Emmitt Smith. Agenda and registration at beckerspayer.com.

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- Hello, everyone. This is Jacob Emerson with the

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- Becker's Payer Issues podcast.

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- Thrilled today to be joined by two leaders

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- from UPMC.

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- Dan LaValle serves as associate vice president of

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- community engagement at UPMC health plan, and doctor

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- Brandy Hershberger serves as chief nursing officer and

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- vice president of academic affairs at UPMC.

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- Doctor Hirschberger, Dan, thank you so much for

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- taking the time to be with us today.

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- And doctor Hirschberger, I'll turn it over to

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- you first. If you could tell our audience

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- a little bit more about yourself, your background

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- in health care, and what it is that

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- you do today at UPMC.

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- Sure. So thanks so much for having us

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- today.

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- So a little bit about myself. I am

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- a nurse of twenty three years, a chief

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- nurse of eight years.

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- I grew up as a baby nurse at

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- UPMC, primarily

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- in emergency medicine,

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- and then I went to the for profit

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- for about seven years outside of UPMC and

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- came back to UPMC in 2021.

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- I started out as the chief nursing officer

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- and then transitioned into this role in 2022.

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- Currently in this role, I am responsible

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- for the nursing and allied health pipelining, building

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- our pipelines

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- to gain a stronger workforce.

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- Additionally, I oversee

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- our eight UPMC proprietary

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- schools of nursing along with our 11 UPMC

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- allied health schools

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- that are UPMC

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- owned and operated.

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- just maintaining

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- our academic partnerships

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- and really ensuring

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- all of our students have a great clinical

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- experience when they come to UPMC.

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- So thanks so much for having us today.

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- Wonderful. Thanks, Brandy. How about you, Dan?

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- Oh, thanks, Jacob, for having us. Brandy, you

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- are wonderful. It's always fun to do this,

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- you know, with you. I'm Dan LaValle. I,

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- I'm a I'm a native Yenser as we

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- you know, probably fortunately for the community, I

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- make an incredible difference in the community, but

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- I chose,

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- health care. And I've been, at UPMC for

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- the last twelve years.

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- I lead our community engagement team,

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- includes a wonderful team that meets people where

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- they are every single day and high rises

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- about today. We have two neighborhood centers that

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- just so meaningful to me. So it's great

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- I love it. A legacy family thing for

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- you, Dan, of community engagement in some way,

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- So it's full circle. We're talking about apprenticeship.

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- That's awesome. I didn't know that, Dan. I

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- That's awesome. Well, appreciate you both taking the

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- time to chat with us today.

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- Staying on the the lines of community engagement,

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- Dan, and all the work that you, your

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- teams, everybody at UPMC is doing. Talk to

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- I know the the health system, the health

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- plan has a lot of different

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- initiatives here and progress

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- to talk about, in this space. UPMC health

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- plan specifically has achieved,

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- lasting assistance for those on Medicaid to find

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- Thanks so much, Jacob. It it has been

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- an incredible year. We just passed our eleven

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- hired off our UPMC for you Medicaid plan

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- into UPMC with leaders like Brandy.

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- I I just can't even imagine how wonderful

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- this has been over these past seven years.

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- We started our Pathways to Work program that

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- Department of Human Services about seven years ago

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- when they had asked us to help, you

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- And it really, you know, built into a

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- program that I couldn't even imagine to back

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- really changed the game for us. Brandy will

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- go through all the wonderful work that she's

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- And I think that the most beautiful thing

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- looking at a story this morning, Jacob, from

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- you know, sharing that, you know, we have

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- it's just so wonderful.

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- Shout out to our incredible

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- folks on the facility side. They started our

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- so wonderful. And that success

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- allowed us to work together to build all

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- these new programs that Brandy has, and she's

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- just the the the best leader and someone

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- I look up to very much. And, you

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- the neighborhood as we say here in Pittsburgh.

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- And and that story you just shared there,

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- Dan, that that singular story, one of 11,000

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- that that is all comes back to UPMC

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- and your pathways to work program. It's amazing.

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- You you teed Brandy up in terms of

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- all the different health care apprenticeships

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- that are available across the system.

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- about that? What's available today?

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- other systems across the country can really learn

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- Well, we were innovative and we wanted to

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- And last year, we were able to get

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- with that apprentice currently at our UPMC Schools

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- of Nursing located in Erie, Pennsylvania.

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- Additionally, we were able to get our surgical

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- approved along with pharmacy technician

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- approved. Now these apprenticeships,

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- they help individuals

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- And they gain valuable related technical instruction

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- along with their academics

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- that really train them to take their certification

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- or licensure

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- exam at the end

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- and they learn and they're actually mentored by

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- the experts

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- arena today.

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- positions in our workforce

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- our patients and quality of care. And these

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- all of Brandy's work is gonna continue to

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- we're there. Because here's the deal. No matter

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- Brandy, anything you'd add there? Advice for other

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- Yeah. Dan's spot on. Partnership with our workforce

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- we have to be on this venture together

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- And it's essential, like we are really opening

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- for a student, they always hear about nursing

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- and physician. I wanna be a nurse or

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- a tech. I want to be a surgical

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- tech. I want to do this. So there

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- Absolutely. No. It's a great reminder there and

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- and great bits of advice from you both.

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- Before we go, what else are we missing?

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- they will be available

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- and it will have that apprentice

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- that can help feed your workforce and create

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- You know, Brandy and Jacob, as I was

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- program, becoming a nurse, becoming an imaging tech.

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- When Brandy explained, you know, that incredible career

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- that they grew up in, you know, I

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- there's nothing greater in in my mind, you

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- are at UPMC. That's our mission. That's how

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- other thing, we have actually a second career

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- who is going into our farm tech apprentice

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- that wants to try something different. So it

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- Appreciate that hook on. Thank you both so

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- much. Please keep us updated on the expansion

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- of Freedom House, how everything goes with the

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- EMT apprenticeship. We'd love to hear the progress

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- But thank you both so much for taking

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- the time and for sharing your expertise

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- with our audience. We really appreciate it. If

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- you'd like to listen to more podcast from

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- Becker's Healthcare, you can visit beckershospitalreview.com.