1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,500 This is where health care leadership comes together. 2 00:00:04,639 --> 00:00:07,839 Becker's sixteenth annual meeting brings more than 3,500 3 00:00:07,839 --> 00:00:10,960 hospital and health system executives and nearly 800 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,525 speakers to Chicago, April 13 through the sixteenth. 5 00:00:14,585 --> 00:00:17,385 This year's event includes keynote conversations with Dallas 6 00:00:17,385 --> 00:00:20,344 Cowboys legend Troy Aikman and former president George 7 00:00:20,344 --> 00:00:22,984 w Bush. For the agenda and event details, 8 00:00:22,984 --> 00:00:25,304 visit beckershospitalreview.com 9 00:00:25,304 --> 00:00:26,984 and click on the events tab in the 10 00:00:26,984 --> 00:00:29,649 upper right. We're looking forward to hosting you 11 00:00:29,649 --> 00:00:30,469 in Chicago. 12 00:00:31,890 --> 00:00:34,289 This is Scott Becker with the Beckers Health 13 00:00:34,289 --> 00:00:36,689 Care Podcast. I'm thrilled today to be joined 14 00:00:36,689 --> 00:00:38,629 for a short episode with Laura Dierdott, 15 00:00:38,929 --> 00:00:41,090 and we're gonna talk really about three different 16 00:00:41,090 --> 00:00:41,590 things. 17 00:00:41,994 --> 00:00:44,875 The first couple are are big health care 18 00:00:44,875 --> 00:00:45,375 institutions, 19 00:00:45,754 --> 00:00:46,254 systems 20 00:00:46,715 --> 00:00:49,195 sort of pruning what they do and and 21 00:00:49,195 --> 00:00:51,375 and pruning their their entire operations 22 00:00:51,914 --> 00:00:53,454 to be sharper going forward. 23 00:00:53,835 --> 00:00:55,579 Those are first two stories. And then third, 24 00:00:55,579 --> 00:00:58,539 we'll talk about some evolutions at Oracle HealthCare 25 00:00:58,539 --> 00:01:00,219 and what they're trying to do to make 26 00:01:00,219 --> 00:01:02,700 things better as well. Laurel, let me ask 27 00:01:02,700 --> 00:01:04,299 you to touch on the first two stories 28 00:01:04,299 --> 00:01:06,620 first, what you're seeing at community health systems, 29 00:01:06,620 --> 00:01:08,344 what you're seeing at common spirit, then we'll 30 00:01:08,344 --> 00:01:09,465 talk a little bit about what you're seeing 31 00:01:09,465 --> 00:01:10,364 at Oracle Healthcare. 32 00:01:10,984 --> 00:01:12,784 Yeah. Absolutely. Well, thank you so much, Scott. 33 00:01:12,784 --> 00:01:14,584 I mean, I think, you know, looking at 34 00:01:14,584 --> 00:01:16,825 community health systems, one of the largest for 35 00:01:16,825 --> 00:01:18,125 profit hospital operators 36 00:01:18,745 --> 00:01:21,359 have really taken some big and deliberate steps 37 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,480 to, prune their portfolio and focusing on markets 38 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,400 that make the most sense for them. Since 39 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,319 the beginning of the year in particular, they've 40 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,400 had a couple of big transactions, including one 41 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,400 where they sold 80% stake that they had 42 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:33,680 in a 270 43 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,739 bed hospital in system to Vanderbilt Health, 44 00:01:37,094 --> 00:01:39,255 in around $623,000,000 45 00:01:39,255 --> 00:01:41,975 deal that took the the hospital and system 46 00:01:41,975 --> 00:01:43,835 into Vanderbilt's enterprise. 47 00:01:44,534 --> 00:01:46,155 And then CHS also 48 00:01:46,534 --> 00:01:48,795 closed a sale earlier this year in Pennsylvania, 49 00:01:49,174 --> 00:01:51,979 which sold three hospitals to Tenor Health Foundation, 50 00:01:52,119 --> 00:01:53,579 a newly formed nonprofit, 51 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,959 for around thirty three million dollars plus a 52 00:01:55,959 --> 00:01:58,140 $15,000,000 promissory note. So, 53 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,119 with that deal, CHS was really exiting the 54 00:02:02,119 --> 00:02:04,965 Pennsylvania market in the hole and and trying 55 00:02:04,965 --> 00:02:07,125 to get into a space where, they're able 56 00:02:07,125 --> 00:02:09,685 to double down. The health system still owns 57 00:02:09,685 --> 00:02:10,905 around 65 58 00:02:10,965 --> 00:02:13,925 affiliated hospitals in 13 states, but we expect 59 00:02:13,925 --> 00:02:16,165 them to be more selective around how they 60 00:02:16,165 --> 00:02:18,425 deploy capital and manage that attention 61 00:02:18,849 --> 00:02:19,590 in the future. 62 00:02:19,889 --> 00:02:22,389 And we're seeing a similar move by CommonSpirit 63 00:02:22,530 --> 00:02:23,990 Health as well, another 64 00:02:24,370 --> 00:02:24,870 huge, 65 00:02:25,250 --> 00:02:26,629 health system with 66 00:02:27,810 --> 00:02:29,270 locations across the country. 67 00:02:29,569 --> 00:02:32,129 CommonSpirit previously had been in a joint venture 68 00:02:32,129 --> 00:02:32,965 with Tenet 69 00:02:33,745 --> 00:02:36,544 Healthcare around, for health solutions, which is a 70 00:02:36,544 --> 00:02:38,965 revenue cycle management company and subsidiary. 71 00:02:39,584 --> 00:02:40,084 CommonSpirit 72 00:02:40,704 --> 00:02:43,104 will pay Tenet around $1,900,000,000 73 00:02:43,104 --> 00:02:45,344 over the next three years, and Conifer's paying 74 00:02:45,344 --> 00:02:46,564 540,000,000 75 00:02:46,729 --> 00:02:47,629 to redeem CommonSpirit's 76 00:02:47,930 --> 00:02:48,729 24% 77 00:02:48,729 --> 00:02:52,250 equity stake. And so now Conifer will be 78 00:02:52,250 --> 00:02:55,289 fully tenants. And in that deal, tenant will 79 00:02:55,289 --> 00:02:56,810 be in a space where they have full 80 00:02:56,810 --> 00:02:59,289 ownership. It'll give them more flexibility to invest 81 00:02:59,289 --> 00:03:00,509 in Conifer's future, 82 00:03:00,835 --> 00:03:01,974 particularly in automation, 83 00:03:02,354 --> 00:03:05,335 artificial intelligence, and and global operating capabilities. 84 00:03:05,875 --> 00:03:08,115 But for common spirit, that deal signals something 85 00:03:08,115 --> 00:03:10,375 a bit different. It's part of a multiyear 86 00:03:10,514 --> 00:03:11,735 integration and simplification 87 00:03:12,034 --> 00:03:14,775 strategy as stated by executive leadership, 88 00:03:15,169 --> 00:03:17,090 framing it as a move to align more 89 00:03:17,090 --> 00:03:18,870 around a single operating model, 90 00:03:19,330 --> 00:03:21,669 for the health system, which came together, 91 00:03:22,449 --> 00:03:25,250 as multiple different systems in regions across the 92 00:03:25,250 --> 00:03:27,650 country. And so they're really focusing on on 93 00:03:27,650 --> 00:03:29,650 how they can have a strategy that makes 94 00:03:29,650 --> 00:03:31,775 the most sense for their organization, 95 00:03:32,955 --> 00:03:34,655 in in really serving the hospitals 96 00:03:35,114 --> 00:03:37,055 that they have a mission to serve. 97 00:03:37,514 --> 00:03:38,814 I I think too for 98 00:03:39,194 --> 00:03:41,514 common spirit as well as many others, there's 99 00:03:41,514 --> 00:03:44,735 a really strong focus on expanding the ambulatory 100 00:03:44,955 --> 00:03:47,569 space as well and making sure that there 101 00:03:47,569 --> 00:03:50,469 are outpatient locations, ambulatory surgery centers, 102 00:03:51,010 --> 00:03:53,349 clinics, and more where they really see opportunities 103 00:03:54,290 --> 00:03:56,129 to expand access to care as well as 104 00:03:56,129 --> 00:03:59,330 in virtual care versus having more inpatient space. 105 00:03:59,330 --> 00:04:00,530 And so I think those are some of 106 00:04:00,530 --> 00:04:02,455 the big trends we're seeing for the large 107 00:04:02,455 --> 00:04:05,194 hospital operators as they're thinking about their portfolios 108 00:04:05,254 --> 00:04:07,415 and sharpening their focus for the future. I 109 00:04:07,415 --> 00:04:08,955 mean, it is fascinating to see 110 00:04:09,254 --> 00:04:11,775 tenant go back to owning Conifer a 100%. 111 00:04:11,775 --> 00:04:14,055 I mean, tenants really remade themselves a lot 112 00:04:14,055 --> 00:04:15,194 over the last decade. 113 00:04:15,814 --> 00:04:17,980 Really an outpatient provider to USPI 114 00:04:18,759 --> 00:04:21,100 back to the revenue cycle business through Conifer. 115 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:21,980 Just fascinating. 116 00:04:22,519 --> 00:04:24,680 And then also community health systems really has 117 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,319 sharpened their footprint too to get debt under 118 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:29,414 control, to get those back to profitability, and 119 00:04:29,414 --> 00:04:31,514 they really made great strides in that direction. 120 00:04:31,894 --> 00:04:33,414 Talk to us for a second about Oracle 121 00:04:33,414 --> 00:04:35,034 Healthcare and what you see there. Absolutely. 122 00:04:35,814 --> 00:04:38,074 So for Oracle Health, they're expanding their clinical 123 00:04:38,134 --> 00:04:41,175 AI agent, recent announcement, and that goes beyond 124 00:04:41,175 --> 00:04:43,830 documentation into another clinician pain point, which is 125 00:04:43,830 --> 00:04:46,389 order entry. So the company said that its 126 00:04:46,389 --> 00:04:48,170 clinical AI tool will be able to automatically 127 00:04:48,389 --> 00:04:49,110 draft orders, 128 00:04:49,509 --> 00:04:52,310 during patient visits and continue to use ambient 129 00:04:52,310 --> 00:04:55,524 listening to support physicians as they're trying to 130 00:04:55,524 --> 00:04:57,604 have more time to expand their capacity with 131 00:04:57,604 --> 00:05:00,164 patients, have more human to human interaction, and 132 00:05:00,164 --> 00:05:03,204 and less repetitive administrative work. And that really 133 00:05:03,204 --> 00:05:05,204 doubles into kind of a focus we're seeing 134 00:05:05,204 --> 00:05:07,639 across the board. I I know clinician shortages 135 00:05:07,699 --> 00:05:10,360 are something that is a huge challenge for 136 00:05:10,660 --> 00:05:13,139 hospitals and systems, as well as burnout. And 137 00:05:13,139 --> 00:05:14,740 so when we're looking at how we can 138 00:05:14,740 --> 00:05:16,519 expand capacity and, 139 00:05:16,980 --> 00:05:19,240 really make sure they're able to serve patients 140 00:05:19,300 --> 00:05:21,319 in in a quick and effective manner, 141 00:05:21,985 --> 00:05:23,704 you know, there's not gonna be a huge 142 00:05:23,704 --> 00:05:26,665 increase in the health care workforce that might 143 00:05:26,665 --> 00:05:28,185 have been needed in the past. But if 144 00:05:28,185 --> 00:05:30,685 they can leverage technology smartly, they can, 145 00:05:31,305 --> 00:05:31,964 you know, 146 00:05:32,345 --> 00:05:34,024 solve some of those problems. And so I 147 00:05:34,024 --> 00:05:35,480 think some of these companies, 148 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,080 are really taking that to heart, and it's 149 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,860 been interesting to see how they do that. 150 00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:41,340 Thank you so much. Laura, 151 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,819 fantastic to visit with you today. 152 00:05:44,199 --> 00:05:46,060 Three crisp, clear stories 153 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,699 talking about common spirit, Tenet, 154 00:05:49,314 --> 00:05:50,375 community health systems, 155 00:05:50,995 --> 00:05:53,314 and and finally about Oracle Healthcare and what 156 00:05:53,314 --> 00:05:56,194 they're doing. The common spirit tenant stories are 157 00:05:56,194 --> 00:05:58,274 are related, so I count those as one 158 00:05:58,274 --> 00:05:58,774 story, 159 00:05:59,074 --> 00:06:01,235 and then separately, the community health systems and 160 00:06:01,235 --> 00:06:03,221 oracle. Laura, thank you so much for joining 161 00:06:03,221 --> 00:06:05,141 us today on the Beckers Hooktail podcast. That 162 00:06:05,141 --> 00:06:06,921 was great. Thank you very, very much. 163 00:06:07,221 --> 00:06:08,761 Thanks, Scott. It's always a pleasure.