1 00:00:00,399 --> 00:00:03,040 Welcome everyone to the Becker's Healthcare podcast series. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,839 I'm Mariah Muhammad, writer and moderator with Becker's 3 00:00:05,839 --> 00:00:08,000 Healthcare. I'm thrilled to have with me today 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,359 doctor Michael j Welsh, professor of internal medicine 5 00:00:11,359 --> 00:00:14,179 at the University of Iowa and Grace Lidget, 6 00:00:14,744 --> 00:00:17,565 a patient at University of Iowa Health Care. 7 00:00:17,625 --> 00:00:19,304 Thank you both for speaking with with me 8 00:00:19,304 --> 00:00:21,304 today, and welcome to the podcast. We're very 9 00:00:21,304 --> 00:00:23,225 excited to have you join us. Today, we'll 10 00:00:23,225 --> 00:00:26,184 be discussing a fascinating fascinating story about the 11 00:00:26,184 --> 00:00:26,684 treatment 12 00:00:26,984 --> 00:00:28,125 of cystic fibrosis, 13 00:00:28,824 --> 00:00:30,204 between doctor and patient. 14 00:00:30,829 --> 00:00:32,609 To get us started, doctor Welsh, 15 00:00:32,990 --> 00:00:35,149 I'll get started with you first. For those 16 00:00:35,149 --> 00:00:36,909 who are not familiar with this, can you 17 00:00:36,909 --> 00:00:39,789 explain what cystic fibrosis is and how it 18 00:00:39,789 --> 00:00:41,010 affects patients' lives? 19 00:00:41,869 --> 00:00:42,929 So cystic fibrosis 20 00:00:43,310 --> 00:00:46,625 is a genetic disease. It's inherited in autosomal 21 00:00:46,844 --> 00:00:47,984 recessive fashion. 22 00:00:48,604 --> 00:00:50,225 It's the most common, 23 00:00:51,004 --> 00:00:51,504 severe, 24 00:00:52,125 --> 00:00:56,125 life threatening disease in Caucasians, particularly of Northern 25 00:00:56,125 --> 00:00:56,625 European 26 00:00:57,644 --> 00:00:58,144 ancestry. 27 00:01:00,299 --> 00:01:02,079 It affects multiple different organs. 28 00:01:02,619 --> 00:01:04,240 It affects the pancreas. 29 00:01:04,939 --> 00:01:08,079 Destruction of the pancreas and intestinal problems 30 00:01:09,020 --> 00:01:09,840 used to 31 00:01:10,459 --> 00:01:11,439 be the major 32 00:01:12,075 --> 00:01:12,575 early 33 00:01:13,194 --> 00:01:16,174 claim on babies born with cystic fibrosis. 34 00:01:17,114 --> 00:01:17,614 Then, 35 00:01:18,394 --> 00:01:20,094 physicians and scientists developed 36 00:01:21,594 --> 00:01:21,994 pig, 37 00:01:22,635 --> 00:01:23,135 pancreas 38 00:01:23,674 --> 00:01:26,174 enzymes, and that helped with nutrition. 39 00:01:26,954 --> 00:01:30,000 But but for a long time, the lung 40 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,780 disease is the major cause 41 00:01:32,239 --> 00:01:35,540 of suffering for people with cystic fibrosis. 42 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,659 And there, the problem was 43 00:01:40,545 --> 00:01:43,364 infections that were really recalcitrant 44 00:01:44,224 --> 00:01:45,125 to treatment. 45 00:01:45,984 --> 00:01:48,805 Infections with many different organs. Pseudomonas aeruginosa 46 00:01:49,424 --> 00:01:51,364 is a common widely recognized 47 00:01:52,465 --> 00:01:54,484 organism as well as staph aureus. 48 00:01:55,769 --> 00:01:56,509 And that 49 00:01:56,969 --> 00:01:58,590 treatments had progressed 50 00:01:58,969 --> 00:02:00,189 for cystic fibrosis, 51 00:02:01,129 --> 00:02:01,629 and 52 00:02:01,930 --> 00:02:03,869 those consisted of 53 00:02:04,890 --> 00:02:05,390 antibiotics, 54 00:02:06,649 --> 00:02:10,155 consisted of attempts to dislodge the mucus with 55 00:02:10,715 --> 00:02:12,334 mists and saline 56 00:02:12,794 --> 00:02:13,294 administration 57 00:02:13,834 --> 00:02:14,235 and, 58 00:02:14,634 --> 00:02:16,175 pounding on people's backs. 59 00:02:16,794 --> 00:02:17,775 And that's where 60 00:02:18,155 --> 00:02:20,175 the situation was prior to, 61 00:02:20,794 --> 00:02:21,935 the recent developments, 62 00:02:22,715 --> 00:02:24,094 recent developments beginning 63 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:27,199 a long time ago, but accelerating and it's 64 00:02:27,199 --> 00:02:28,959 a turning point with the discovery of the 65 00:02:28,959 --> 00:02:29,860 CF gene. 66 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,840 Wonderful. Thank you so much for giving us 67 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:34,659 that background. 68 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,620 Grace, going to you, you were diagnosed 69 00:02:38,094 --> 00:02:40,495 with CF as a baby. What were some 70 00:02:40,495 --> 00:02:41,555 of the biggest challenges, 71 00:02:41,935 --> 00:02:44,094 you faced growing up with the disease before 72 00:02:44,094 --> 00:02:45,474 the therapies were available? 73 00:02:47,055 --> 00:02:48,974 When I was born, it was about it 74 00:02:48,974 --> 00:02:50,275 was 02/2004. 75 00:02:50,495 --> 00:02:51,314 And so 76 00:02:52,030 --> 00:02:54,610 I don't ever remember not having the therapies 77 00:02:54,669 --> 00:02:56,750 because as soon as I was actually old 78 00:02:56,750 --> 00:02:59,870 enough to know what was happening around me, 79 00:02:59,870 --> 00:03:00,689 I was 80 00:03:01,150 --> 00:03:03,789 doing two nebulizers a day, and I didn't 81 00:03:03,789 --> 00:03:05,549 have a vest yet because I wasn't old 82 00:03:05,549 --> 00:03:08,134 enough. It straps to you like a vest 83 00:03:08,134 --> 00:03:10,235 that you'd normally wear except for it inflates 84 00:03:10,375 --> 00:03:12,235 with air, and it shakes you 85 00:03:12,935 --> 00:03:15,254 very violently to try to break up that 86 00:03:15,254 --> 00:03:16,614 mucus so that way you can cough it 87 00:03:16,614 --> 00:03:17,114 up. 88 00:03:17,574 --> 00:03:20,134 So once I reached that age, I I 89 00:03:20,134 --> 00:03:21,974 had a vest readily available. I was born 90 00:03:21,974 --> 00:03:23,599 during a very fortunate time where I didn't 91 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:25,060 have to live without these, 92 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:26,659 specific therapies, 93 00:03:27,759 --> 00:03:28,419 like that. 94 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,180 However, these modulator therapies, 95 00:03:32,959 --> 00:03:35,060 before those were avail available, 96 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:37,620 I got sick quite often. 97 00:03:37,974 --> 00:03:38,474 I 98 00:03:38,935 --> 00:03:40,395 I remember having Pseudomonas 99 00:03:40,694 --> 00:03:43,014 three times in my life right when I 100 00:03:43,014 --> 00:03:44,155 was first diagnosed 101 00:03:44,615 --> 00:03:46,074 at 14 old, 102 00:03:47,094 --> 00:03:47,995 or yeah. 103 00:03:48,615 --> 00:03:51,014 Right when I was diagnosed at 14 old, 104 00:03:51,014 --> 00:03:52,935 once in fifth grade, and then once again 105 00:03:52,935 --> 00:03:53,789 in eighth grade. 106 00:03:54,189 --> 00:03:56,829 I was lucky enough that these didn't severely 107 00:03:56,829 --> 00:03:59,329 damage my lungs, but it was a consistent 108 00:03:59,469 --> 00:03:59,969 enough 109 00:04:00,590 --> 00:04:03,650 issue that I was at risk to become 110 00:04:04,349 --> 00:04:05,409 chronic with it. 111 00:04:06,655 --> 00:04:08,495 But it was only a couple years after 112 00:04:08,495 --> 00:04:11,955 my last diagnosis with Pseudomonas that these modulators 113 00:04:12,014 --> 00:04:13,794 came out. My lung function 114 00:04:14,094 --> 00:04:14,594 skyrocketed, 115 00:04:15,455 --> 00:04:17,814 which was such a blessing because I am 116 00:04:17,814 --> 00:04:19,794 a long distance runner, and so 117 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,680 it really helped me out to pursue that 118 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,339 passion, something that I was already actively pursuing, 119 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,660 but now could comfortably 120 00:04:28,439 --> 00:04:30,360 continue to do so with a little bit 121 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:31,259 of support. 122 00:04:32,545 --> 00:04:35,345 Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, that's that's very good 123 00:04:35,345 --> 00:04:36,384 to hear. And, 124 00:04:36,785 --> 00:04:39,745 doctor Walsh, you've been studying CF for more 125 00:04:39,745 --> 00:04:40,944 than forty years. 126 00:04:42,464 --> 00:04:44,625 What drew you to the this disease early 127 00:04:44,625 --> 00:04:46,705 in your career, and, also, what kept you 128 00:04:46,705 --> 00:04:48,324 focused on it for so long? 129 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,159 So my first exposure to cystic fibrosis was 130 00:04:53,159 --> 00:04:53,979 when I was 131 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:56,759 a medical student, junior medical student here at 132 00:04:56,759 --> 00:04:57,899 the University of Iowa. 133 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:00,439 And, at that time, I I was in 134 00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:03,035 the pediatric clinic, and I met a young 135 00:05:03,035 --> 00:05:04,895 girl, probably seven or eight years old. 136 00:05:05,355 --> 00:05:05,855 And, 137 00:05:07,194 --> 00:05:08,955 she was struggling to breathe. I could see 138 00:05:08,955 --> 00:05:11,514 her using her accessory muscles, speaking in short 139 00:05:11,514 --> 00:05:12,014 sentences, 140 00:05:15,150 --> 00:05:18,509 just obviously having difficulty breathing, frequently coughing, a 141 00:05:18,509 --> 00:05:19,810 really harsh cough. 142 00:05:20,110 --> 00:05:21,870 And I learned about all the things she 143 00:05:21,870 --> 00:05:23,730 couldn't do, and I learned 144 00:05:24,270 --> 00:05:26,529 how short her life would be. That made 145 00:05:26,550 --> 00:05:28,672 a made an indelible impression.