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- How can you make infection control

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Welcome to the Becker's
Dental and DSO podcast.

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I'm your host, Andrew. No Bini from

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Pro Edge Dental Water Labs.

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And today I'm joined by the
one and only Kelly. Tim.

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Kelly is a world class
consultant working alongside some

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of the largest DSOs in the nation

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and partnering with them in
driving compliance forward.

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Kelly, welcome to the podcast.

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- Thanks, Andrew. I'm excited to be here

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with you today. This is awesome.

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- Yeah. Tell me a little
bit about yourself, the work

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that you do, the day to
day, the week to week,

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what are you involved with?

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- So, yeah, so I am a compliance advisor,

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was Safelink Consulting.

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Um, and we partner with dental
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to help them, um, create safety policies

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and procedures, whether that's a large DSO

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or just a single private practice.

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Um, we help from the top
all the way to working

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with the individual offices
on, um, safety issues. Yeah,

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- And I think you probably
are incredibly close

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to the pain point that we're
gonna talk about, which is,

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and the reason why we're
talking about this idea

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of making infection control sticky.

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There's a reality just
with growth of, of Right.

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Hiring is a challenge for DSOs.

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We know that, um, potentially retention

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or even turnover, right?

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Churn rate can be a
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We know that. And so
it can be frustrating,

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and I'm sure you've
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to speak into this a little
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and train a team

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or an individual on how
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that d the DSO has set.

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And then you come back
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and it's entire, it's like
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and it's like, okay, so
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And I'm sure they experience that as well,

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that cyclical nature of having

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to constantly feel like
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to home there and you feel that?

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I think and that, and that
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Because there's just a a lot of turnover.

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Um, there's a staff shortage right now,

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especially in the dental industry.

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And so, um, yeah, that's
definitely something that we see,

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but we never want that to
be an excuse for safety

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to take a backseat.

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'cause that's just not,
it's just not okay.

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They, we have to come up
with, with ways to make sure

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that everybody that comes
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whether they're a temp, whether
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they understand our
policies, our procedures,

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and that they're trained,
they deserve that.

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Um, and they need to know that.

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And so by really, um,

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investing in this infection
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I think it's gonna make a huge
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- Yeah. Yeah. I love it.

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You gave just the sneak peek
right here, <laugh>, which is

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that is that is it, that's the nugget.

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What, Hey, how do, how can
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sticky at the office level?

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We believe, um,

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it is having someone called an

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infection control coordinator.

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This is not a new hire.

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This is taking a team
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and giving them really
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to elevate, um, their own
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as infection control coordinators.

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They're more satisfied in their job.

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They feel like they're
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which we'll get to in a second.

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But I wanna take just a quick
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and Kelly, I want you to
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which is, what is an
infection control coordinator?

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If that's the thing, if
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that's gonna make infection control

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level, I want to know about it.

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Tell me, what is that?

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Who is that person? What are they doing?

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what the CDC calls 'em as.

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That person is really gonna
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policies, and they're
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for their office by creating
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developing in them, and then
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what to do, but why it's so
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these policies and
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Um, and, and it's not really
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because this is a huge role,

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but it's really investing in that person.

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they're taking on an
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what they're already doing,
but we're gonna invest in them

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because I think, I think you're
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investment by investing in that person

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to, to better help the

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Yeah. Something that
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is when you don't have that
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but you have this kind of bystander effect

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where everyone's kind
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of who's doing safety, right?

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that person's like, well,
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I think this person's doing it.

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that's saying, I'm doing it.

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I'm gonna own it. And then to your point,

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and something that we'll
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that team bringing the team in

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to understanding why this
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meaningful culture shift.

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Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>,
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of the things, gosh, there's
so much we can talk about here.

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I think one of the things
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the infection control
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to a dental assistant, right?

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Who is usually the one that's
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anyway at the office level.

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that newfound responsibility
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and the compliance manager
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That really cultivates a sense of like,

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I, this is my responsibility.

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This is something that I can
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of bring the team in

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and make it more of a celebratory
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where it's like, this isn't just so

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and so's whoever's job, right?

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Everyone points the finger.
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They're helping us be a safer environment.

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What are some of the things
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and there is an infection
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What's the team dynamic like?

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How, how do they feel about their job?

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What, just like that at that office level?

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of touch on is that you wanna
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coordinator for sure, but
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It's their job to really
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to safety, because there can
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and clear defined SOPs in place,

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but without everybody participating

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and everybody knowing
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it's gonna be really frustrating for

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that infection control coordinator

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because they can have the best policies.

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they're gonna get frustrated.

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and everyone is seeing the, the, the goal

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it's gonna build that team.

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It's gonna make such a strong team

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because everyone is on the same page

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because we care about each other.

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We wanna lift each other up,
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We worked hard to get here
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- Mm. And it, it's amazing.
There's so much data out there.

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Um, listener, if you wanted
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where we ask them not about
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but they're, do they feel
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experience, making a
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um, which has so much profound

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implications at the DSO level, right?

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To your point, there's a way
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to establish a credibility
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where people start to show
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and have a, the exact same
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and you've seen both sides
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where you've walked in and you said,

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Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> and
how powerful of an experience

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that is when you have that like
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and say, this is, I want
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So now you have higher patient retention,

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infection control coordinator
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But I do think, and I think
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an infection control
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of those things because of the

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and you'll see a lot of
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that office and the only person

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that is their people got other jobs,

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and they still have so much
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see patients are feeling safe.

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They're coming in, even if
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if they feel like, Hey, this is a clean

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I'm gonna tell my friends about this

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and I feel okay with this.

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Just a lot. But really
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for those listening, um, that is kind

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of in the compliance space, uh, will,

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will be dealing with this, right?

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how do I realistically do that?

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Does, is this actually scalable?

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I know from Kelly's experience,
it absolutely is. Right?

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Kelly works with some of the
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and she also works with, uh, groups

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of a couple dozen, right?

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So I want to kind of
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and give you some, hopefully
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for you if you are interested in making

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infection control sticky.

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what would an infection control
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to begin building out in my organization?

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Kelly, how can they do that really well?

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that broad, broad policies,
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whether it's the regionals

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just the office manager,
whatever that's gonna be.

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I'm important, or I'm gonna roll some

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I don't really, I feel like
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and they just feel
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But it really starts with having

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that consistent policy across
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the infection control coordinator
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to come up with a whole
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That's, that's at the
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the policies and
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the products, whatever
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which we, we alluded
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if they ever did move out
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Move around, they, they've,
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they've built those things in
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that the new person coming
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straight from ground zero, right?

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They have all of these
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to really dive into and learn,
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with just onboarding somebody effectively

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and mitigating that, that season of risk

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where they're like trying to
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Right? It's already there.
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making a team effort Mm-Hmm.

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<affirmative>, now the team
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it's like the team can step
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onboarding, which I think
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- Yeah. And just having those
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Hey, this is how we do things.

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if someone, they can grab

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that one pager and they know
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Maybe they don't do it all
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'cause they've been trained and
they have those, those notes

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that steps there to help 'em.

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even though they're licensed,

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doesn't mean they know the
processes at your office.

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And it's not fair to not train them.

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They deserve to be trained, um,

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because we want to make sure everything

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is done the correct way

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- And listener, uh, you
have awesome resources.

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You aren't alone, right?
You are not alone in this.

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You have people who this
is their job, right?

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It's Kelly's job to make sure
that these things are scalable

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and effective and repeatable
at your organization's level,

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all the way down to the office level.

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And so Kelly is an incredible
resource for you, if

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that is also something
you're interested in.

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Kelly, tell us a little
bit about Safelink.

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I know we alluded to at
the beginning of the intro,

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but how can we get, how can the

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listeners get in touch with you?

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- Yeah, so, um, you can
reach out to us anytime.

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Um, what I really think, uh,

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sets Safelink apart from other
consulting agencies is we

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work in all 50 states.

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So we're nationwide. We
know the intricacies of

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state OSHA plans versus federal
versus each state dental

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practice act, what public
health wants to know.

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Um, and so we can be that
third party to really help you

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with that overall plan.

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Um, and we can also work
with you at the office level

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to make sure that those
one page policies are,

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are procedures, are being,

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are being written, are being helped.

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We can be that, that partner
to really walk alongside, um,

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your whole compliance team
or at the office level.

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Um, but yeah, you can reach out to, uh,

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safelink consulting.com

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or, um, my email's
justKelly@safelinkconsulting.com.

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- Awesome. Kelly, thank you so much.

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Thank you for joining me on
the podcast today. All right.

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Our hope is that you were
able to take away one

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or two nuggets of information

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that you can use in your organization

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to really elevate not just

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that team dynamic at the office level,

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but really cement, infection, control,

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and safety all across your organization

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because you have that
individual advocating

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for it at that office level.

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Uh, again, you have incredible
resources like Kelly.

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Uh, you have incredible
resources like Pro Edge.

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We deal specifically with
Waterlines, waterline compliance,

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waterline Safety, and Waterline Solutions.

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If that's an area that
you are struggling with

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or your organization is
really struggling to do well,

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please reach out to us.

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We have unbelievable
staff ready to partner

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with you in making that
simple, making that repeatable,

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making that scalable for you.

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And we partner with you
every step of the way,

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just like Safelink does,

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to make sure your team feels
equipped and resourced.

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To do that well, you can
reach us@prodental.com.

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You can also call 8 8 8 8 4 3 3 3 4 3.

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Again, thank you so much for
taking the time to listen.

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We hope this was valuable to you.

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We hope you walked away
understanding maybe something you

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can do to elevate your
organization even more

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and create a safer
environment for both your team

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and your patients.

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Thank you for all that you do
to help keep patients safe.

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Take care, everyone.

