WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.880 Another thing that we have anecdotes about is the precognition. 00:00:02.880 --> 00:00:08.200 So we have, for example, a girl on the podcast who had a, 00:00:08.200 --> 00:00:13.400 had a dream that her father slipped on ice and they live in 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:16.520 Arizona where there's no ice. And, um, 00:00:16.520 --> 00:00:20.080 it happened three weeks later when he was on a business trip, 00:00:20.080 --> 00:00:23.800 he slipped on the ice and, and, and she, uh, 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:28.200 she also knew that he'd end up in the hospital with a broken hip as a result, 00:00:28.520 --> 00:00:34.700 which was the case. So that's a really fascinating anecdote and I've heard many like that over 00:00:34.700 --> 00:00:40.420 the years. But once again to say that you have evidence for precognition is a little more 00:00:40.420 --> 00:00:49.300 challenging. 00:00:49.300 --> 00:00:55.860 Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump. My name is Rick Archer. Buddha at the Gas Pump is an 00:00:55.860 --> 00:01:18.420 on 00:01:18.420 --> 00:01:22.940 of listeners and viewers, so if you appreciate it and would like to help support it, there 00:01:22.940 --> 00:01:30.380 are PayPal buttons on the website and an explanation of other methods of donating other than PayPal. 00:01:30.380 --> 00:01:34.180 My guest today is Diane Hennessey Powell. 00:01:34.180 --> 00:01:38.780 Diane was on the show about five years ago, and if you liked the interview we're about 00:01:38.780 --> 00:01:43.860 to have, you might want to watch that one too, because we covered a lot of interesting points, 00:01:43.860 --> 00:02:11.860 verified accounts of space-time navigation, and her current research focuses on controlled 00:02:11.860 --> 00:02:18.420 testing of autistic savants and children reported to be telepathic and/or precognitive by their 00:02:18.420 --> 00:02:25.860 caregivers, which is one of the main reasons we're having this interview today. Diane has been 00:02:25.860 --> 00:02:32.740 the chief scientist in the telepathy tapes project. Probably many of you have seen that 00:02:32.740 --> 00:02:38.580 or listened to that podcast and that's largely what we're going to be talking about today. 00:02:40.580 --> 00:02:46.580 Just in case there may be one or two people who've been living under a rock, Diane, and haven't heard of the Telepathy Tapes, 00:02:46.580 --> 00:02:49.580 would you like to tell us what it's about? 00:02:49.580 --> 00:03:01.580 Sure. So, it's basically been created by Kai Dickens, and it's based on my work that I've been engaged in for the last 13 years, 00:03:01.580 --> 00:03:07.580 testing autistic children for their purported psychic abilities. 00:03:07.580 --> 00:03:12.580 And the most common ability that gets reported to me is that they're telepathic. 00:03:12.580 --> 00:03:15.580 And so that's predominantly what I've been studying. 00:03:15.580 --> 00:03:17.580 That's why it's called the telepathy tapes. 00:03:17.580 --> 00:03:24.580 Yeah. And as I heard Diane, I mean, I heard Kai interviewed on Joe Rogan's podcast, 00:03:24.580 --> 00:03:30.580 and she mentioned that she got the idea to do this because she happened to have seen an interview of yours, 00:03:30.580 --> 00:03:36.580 and she was fishing around for something to do her next project on, and this really caught her interest. 00:03:36.580 --> 00:03:40.820 and uh... and it's really taken off i mean i don't know if it's current status 00:03:40.820 --> 00:03:44.500 but at times in recent months it's been the most popular podcast in the world 00:03:44.500 --> 00:03:45.580 in the world 00:03:45.580 --> 00:03:49.140 uh... with hundreds of millions of people downloading listening to it 00:03:49.140 --> 00:03:49.860 uh... 00:03:49.860 --> 00:03:51.260 what do you feel it's 00:03:51.260 --> 00:03:54.060 and you've been working on this stuff for thirteen years as you said why do 00:03:54.060 --> 00:03:58.540 you feel this has suddenly become such a hot topic so many people are interested 00:03:58.540 --> 00:04:01.320 interested in it 00:04:01.320 --> 00:04:05.660 well first of all i i think that it's actually something that 00:04:05.660 --> 00:04:11.740 many people have already known for a long time is real, and they've just been waiting for some 00:04:11.740 --> 00:04:17.820 really compelling evidence to come out. So, I think that that's one reason. I also think that 00:04:17.820 --> 00:04:22.860 podcasts are a very powerful tool now for getting information out there. 00:04:22.860 --> 00:04:29.020 >> Yeah. Well, of course, you say many people, well, that would probably mostly include parents 00:04:29.020 --> 00:04:36.100 and teachers of autistic kids who have witnessed this thing firsthand, but of course the hundreds 00:04:36.100 --> 00:04:39.920 of millions of people who have been listening to the Telepathy Tapes podcast probably don't 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:47.140 know anyone who's autistic and telepathic, and yet it's caught their interest. I mean, 00:04:47.140 --> 00:04:53.140 I don't know anyone who fits that description, but you know, I found the podcast fascinating 00:04:53.140 --> 00:04:57.220 and you know, I started getting emails from all these people telling me about it and telling 00:04:57.220 --> 00:05:03.520 me I should, you know, do an episode on it. So it really seems to have caught the popular 00:05:03.520 --> 00:05:09.020 attention rather than just those who are immediately interacting with autistic kids. 00:05:09.020 --> 00:05:15.160 Well, when I say many people, I'm not referring to people who have first-hand knowledge of 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:21.320 one of these autistic savants, but what I'm referring to is data from surveys that have 00:05:21.320 --> 00:05:27.940 shown that if you were to poll Americans, two-thirds of Americans, between two-thirds and three-quarters 00:05:27.940 --> 00:05:30.960 of Americans already believe in these kinds of abilities. 00:05:30.960 --> 00:05:35.320 It's just that they experience them to a much lesser degree. 00:05:35.320 --> 00:05:40.280 Yeah, I think Gallup and organizations like that have been doing such polls for years 00:05:40.280 --> 00:05:48.280 and you know, people do have a broader vision of what's possible than the hardcore science 00:05:48.280 --> 00:05:52.920 community. How has the popularity of the 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:57.960 Phillipathy tapes impacted your life? I mean, it seems like it must have been a 00:05:57.960 --> 00:06:00.040 kind of a rocket ship taking off all of a sudden. 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:08.440 Yeah, yeah, I think that's been an apt description of it. It's just, it's created more than I can 00:06:08.440 --> 00:06:16.360 possibly keep up with. I mean, I get so many emails from people telling me, basically, that they 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:22.120 have always suspected that these children have some special abilities or telling me that they have 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:30.440 first-hand knowledge of it from some experience that they had. I have people that are contacting 00:06:30.440 --> 00:06:35.880 me with their pet theories about how this is possible. Lots of people who want to collaborate, 00:06:35.880 --> 00:06:45.400 be volunteers for my research and then speaking engagements. Lots of opportunities to speak. 00:06:45.400 --> 00:06:52.040 >> Well, I hope they pay you something. And I appreciate you taking the time to do this 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:55.480 because I'm not paying anything, but I really enjoy having you as a guest. 00:06:55.480 --> 00:07:07.400 And do you feel that, I mean, we'll be talking about a lot of hypothetical ideas, but do you 00:07:07.400 --> 00:07:12.440 feel that autistic children with these telepathic gifts, which we'll be describing in greater detail 00:07:12.440 --> 00:07:18.920 during the interview, are some sort of avant-garde, you know, sort of harbingers of where humanity 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:23.240 may be heading in some respect? Not to say that humanity is going to become autistic, 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:27.720 but that such abilities might become more commonplace among non-autistic people? 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:36.600 Well, I think that they could certainly become more commonplace, but I'm not sure whether 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:42.120 or not it's an evolution of the human species the way that some people think of it. I think 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:50.020 that our ancestors probably had a lot of these abilities and that they've really been buried 00:07:50.020 --> 00:07:58.600 predominantly for sociocultural reasons. And so I can see them coming back because they 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:09.140 really have great utility. If we reconcile both these sort of intuitive gifts with analytical 00:08:09.140 --> 00:08:14.820 gifts, then we can really just make so much more progress than if we dismiss them and 00:08:14.820 --> 00:08:17.620 don't give them any kind of credibility. 00:08:17.620 --> 00:08:23.340 Yeah, I think that point came up in the Joe Rogan interview with Kai that, you know, one 00:08:23.340 --> 00:08:28.580 of them suggested that maybe Neanderthals who didn't have language of any sort might 00:08:28.580 --> 00:08:34.300 have been telepathic and that the telepathic skills atrophied when verbal language became, 00:08:34.300 --> 00:08:36.300 you know, got developed. 00:08:36.300 --> 00:08:50.300 Yes, yeah, that's something that I've thought for quite a while, that the development of language actually plays a role in the sort of disappearance of these abilities. 00:08:50.300 --> 00:09:08.300 And so I think what's happening with these non-speaking autistic individuals is that they regress and lose their ability to express language, usually between the ages of one and a half and two and a half. 00:09:08.300 --> 00:09:15.700 And so they do so at a time when they haven't really had much opportunity to develop it. 00:09:15.700 --> 00:09:21.300 And so I think they stay in a state that is really the state that we're all born in, which 00:09:21.300 --> 00:09:26.380 is one in which we experience shared consciousness. 00:09:26.380 --> 00:09:30.100 So do you think little babies, pre-verbal? 00:09:30.100 --> 00:09:36.180 From research that's been done using brain imaging on babies, my suspicion. 00:09:36.180 --> 00:09:45.880 The reason for that suspicion is manyfold. First of all, we know from research out in the mother, 00:09:45.880 --> 00:09:56.520 the babies also showing the same signatures that there's a synchronization of some of the brainwave 00:09:56.520 --> 00:10:03.900 patterns that if a mother is depressed and you'll see certain signatures out in the mother, 00:10:03.900 --> 00:10:09.740 The babies also showing the same signatures of depression. 00:10:09.740 --> 00:10:17.340 And an infant spends a lot of time in REM sleep. 00:10:17.340 --> 00:10:21.980 And so they really, it's just, I mean, they're only probably awake for maybe, you know, eight 00:10:21.980 --> 00:10:22.980 hours a day or so. 00:10:22.980 --> 00:10:27.260 I mean, they're sleeping a tremendous amount of the time. 00:10:27.260 --> 00:10:37.820 And yet, if you look at how rapidly they start picking up the language and start being able 00:10:37.820 --> 00:10:46.240 to make sense of these sounds that they're hearing and ascribe meaning to them, it really 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:51.300 makes one wonder whether or not telepathy and that shared consciousness is part of how 00:10:51.300 --> 00:10:56.740 they are able to pair meaning to the sounds that they're hearing. 00:10:56.740 --> 00:10:59.740 Ah, okay, so let me see if I can understand that. 00:10:59.740 --> 00:11:05.260 So, you know, the baby hears the parents talking, or maybe they're talking to the baby, and 00:11:05.260 --> 00:11:11.220 the sounds are just blah, blah, blah, but you're suggesting that the baby is simultaneously, 00:11:11.220 --> 00:11:16.300 in addition to hearing the sounds with their ears, picking up on the thought of the parent 00:11:16.300 --> 00:11:21.220 that is associated with the sounds, and that way they begin to correlate them. 00:11:21.220 --> 00:11:22.500 Exactly, yeah. 00:11:22.500 --> 00:11:29.600 And the thought is really, you know, in a sort of a proto-language form. 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:33.540 I mean, it's not necessarily the thought... 00:11:33.540 --> 00:11:37.800 So we tend to think of thoughts paired with some sense. 00:11:37.800 --> 00:11:43.760 So we tend to think of thoughts as either mental imagery or thoughts as like a voice 00:11:43.760 --> 00:11:44.980 inside of our head. 00:11:44.980 --> 00:11:48.400 And oftentimes, it's our own internal voice. 00:11:48.400 --> 00:11:55.040 And what I'm talking about is thought that even predates that, that's really, you know, 00:11:55.040 --> 00:11:57.240 more at the root of that. 00:11:57.240 --> 00:11:58.560 Pete: Yeah. 00:11:58.560 --> 00:12:03.240 In the Hindu tradition, they have this idea of four levels of speech. 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:07.160 There's the, I'll spare you the Sanskrit, but there's the gross level that we're 00:12:07.160 --> 00:12:11.360 using right now, then there's the kind of voice in the head level, which is the same 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:18.360 words but not spoken out loud, and then there's a subtler impulse which contains the, you 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:24.840 purport of the thought, but which is not verbalized even in the mind. And then there's the transcendental 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:33.720 level which kind of is beyond all those and is just pure silence. But perhaps, you know, 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:41.480 babies are already functioning at that third level, the sort of pre... no words in the 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:49.040 mind, but impulses that convey, that contain meaning, and they can perhaps resonate with 00:12:49.040 --> 00:12:51.160 that level of the parent's mind. 00:12:51.160 --> 00:12:53.200 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:54.200 That's what I'm suggesting. 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:55.200 Yeah. 00:12:55.200 --> 00:13:02.500 Because if you think about it, I mean, it's a more modern sort of, it's a more modern 00:13:02.500 --> 00:13:08.400 sort of aspect of parenting a child that we sit down with them and read and, you know, 00:13:08.400 --> 00:13:15.040 point to pictures with them and try to help them to develop their language. I mean, you 00:13:15.040 --> 00:13:20.600 know, historically children would just, you know, they'd be in the family and people would 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:26.000 be doing their business and the child is just picking up words. 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:36.440 Interesting. So, looping back to the autistic kids, I guess maybe you're saying that although 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:47.960 their verbal abilities never developed or got stymied at some point and then disappeared, 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:50.960 their... 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:51.960 The kind of... 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:56.440 To speak a totally different language than one that they've been raised around. 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:57.440 Interesting question. 00:13:57.440 --> 00:14:02.880 Never developed, remained active or, you know, they remain capable of functioning. 00:14:02.880 --> 00:14:06.160 I'm just basically repeating what we've already described, but I'm trying to summarize it. 00:14:06.160 --> 00:14:12.560 Susan: Yeah, yeah. And I think, so for example, some more evidence for this is the fact that 00:14:12.560 --> 00:14:20.960 many of these children are able to connect with individuals who speak a totally different 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:23.360 language than one that they've been raised around. 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:27.680 Rick: Interesting question, interesting point. I've heard that of some yogis that, 00:14:27.680 --> 00:14:33.680 you know, there'll be somebody from Japan will come to visit them or something and they'll be able to 00:14:33.680 --> 00:14:39.200 pick up on the person's thoughts, even though they don't obviously speak that language, 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:45.040 because they're comfortable or they're capable of functioning at that subtle level, 00:14:45.040 --> 00:14:53.760 you know, which is prior to any actual language. Yeah, exactly. And then, I don't know what your 00:14:53.760 --> 00:14:58.920 stances on UAPs, but there are a lot of people out there that think that we are not alone 00:14:58.920 --> 00:14:59.920 in the universe. 00:14:59.920 --> 00:15:03.660 Oh, I'm solid on that one. 00:15:03.660 --> 00:15:10.920 And people who have these contact experiences also say that the communication is always telepathic. 00:15:10.920 --> 00:15:13.320 Yeah, it would have to be. 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:14.440 Yeah, it would have to be. 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:22.280 I mean, how would a human know the language of some other being from a different place? 00:15:22.280 --> 00:15:23.320 Yeah. 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:28.200 And just to go a little bit farther out on the woo-woo branch, you know, some say that 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:35.360 the ships these people drive are kind of alive in a sense and are operated through some form 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:40.280 of telepathy or entrainment with the way the ship operates. 00:15:40.280 --> 00:15:43.400 Yes, yes, exactly. 00:15:43.400 --> 00:15:44.720 Interesting. 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:56.720 which kind of suggests that in such civilizations, telepathy may be the norm, or may be highly developed. 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:02.720 Without these people being incapable of speaking, although maybe some of them don't, 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:06.720 you know, you see the little greys and they hardly have mouths or pictures of them, 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:11.720 but certainly they've developed advanced technologies 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:19.400 and have been able to communicate about those to their, you know, their co-workers and children 00:16:19.400 --> 00:16:25.480 for the things to have developed over time. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, I think, and 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:30.200 celebrity goes beyond just humans. I mean, I think that there are a lot of species, whether you're 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:37.080 talking, there are social species like birds or fish that somehow seem to all be on the same page 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:43.560 and make movements spontaneously in the same direction as one another. And it's not being 00:16:43.560 --> 00:16:51.720 transmitted by some form of language. So I think that because we use language so much, 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:57.000 we tend to think of that as the, that if you don't have language, you don't have a means 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:03.440 of communication. But I think that it's really a relative latecomer in the whole scheme of 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:11.120 things and there are a lot of pitfalls with language as we use it because that language 00:17:11.120 --> 00:17:20.560 can get us far away from truth. It's you know, as you're really accepting something that is sort of a 00:17:20.560 --> 00:17:31.760 derived or analytical, something that's analytical. Incidentally, I sent you an article from National 00:17:31.760 --> 00:17:38.000 geographic knowing that you get from direct experience. Yeah, well the Tower of Babel story 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:45.920 as I understand it was some significant symbolic of the sort of degeneration of humanity into a 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:56.000 much more fragmented bellicose species. Right, right, exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah. Incidentally, 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:00.320 I sent you a article from National Geographic yesterday. You probably didn't have a chance 00:18:00.320 --> 00:18:06.780 to see it with all the stuff you get, but it was a scientific analysis of this phenomenon 00:18:06.780 --> 00:18:12.480 that you just referred to, the murmuration of starlings, where as many as, I heard today, 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:19.840 as many as six million birds can form one of these huge flocks, which weighs, if you 00:18:19.840 --> 00:18:24.880 weigh them all, it would be about a million pounds, which is about as heavy as the heaviest 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:33.520 cargo jet that is made, and yet they all just move in perfect synchrony. But the writers of the 00:18:33.520 --> 00:18:39.440 article claim that they've worked it out with computer modeling how that can happen without 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:45.120 any kind of telepathic communication between the animals. That just one bird being able to see seven 00:18:45.120 --> 00:18:53.200 birds around it, they just kind of move and there's a ripple effect that enables the whole flock to 00:18:54.080 --> 00:18:58.640 not run into each other and remain coordinated. Whether or not that's true, I don't know. 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:07.680 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know, one of the things that was fascinating for me was when 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:16.240 I went to India for the first time. And when I was there, there were no stoplights or, you know, 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:22.880 police officers or anything. And it was just an absolute miracle that there weren't collisions 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:28.320 left and right. And I mean, a lot of the cars didn't even have, you know, are these, if you want to call 00:19:28.320 --> 00:19:35.520 them cars, you know, three-wheelers, whatever, don't even have rear view mirrors. And yet, 00:19:35.520 --> 00:19:42.800 they're not going at it, you know, they're not crawling along, they're zipping around. And so, 00:19:42.800 --> 00:19:50.640 so there's this sense that you get that they have more of a, that almost like they have eyes behind, 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:54.960 you know, in the back of their head, kind of, you know, that cliché. But, you know, somehow 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:59.600 they have that kind of awareness of what's in their immediate environment. 00:19:59.600 --> 00:20:06.880 >> Rick: Could be. I spent three months in Iran one time with a group meditating, and 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:12.800 stoplights over there, they had them, but they were kind of like more like suggestions rather 00:20:12.800 --> 00:20:18.880 than mandates. And, you know, we'd be sitting meditating and you hear a big crash pretty often. 00:20:20.320 --> 00:20:28.920 people would be playing chicken, I guess, at the stoplights. Anyway, so let me ask you 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:37.560 a series of three questions. What are some of the things described in the podcast, the 00:20:37.560 --> 00:20:43.080 Talapti tapes, for which you feel there is really good scientific evidence? You know, 00:20:43.080 --> 00:20:48.200 you observed the stuff and you were able to record it in a way that you could maybe publish 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:51.080 findings about it or maybe with a real little bit of 00:20:51.080 --> 00:20:57.480 You know repeat experiment it would be solid but you really feel like there's something there and you're going to be able to nail it 00:20:57.480 --> 00:20:59.560 and and talk about it 00:20:59.560 --> 00:21:05.480 I I think what there's the most evidence for is is the telepathy itself. I mean there's 00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:10.280 there's absolutely no evidence at all that there's any kind of 00:21:10.280 --> 00:21:16.920 Conscious cuing going or or scam going on. I mean, you know, none of these parents 00:21:17.300 --> 00:21:24.900 contacted me because they were trying to become famous. In fact, 99% of the people who contact 00:21:24.900 --> 00:21:32.500 me are not interested in that at all, and they wouldn't even want to be part of the documentary. 00:21:32.500 --> 00:21:39.100 And so then, the other thing is that you see, even if they're using the letter board as 00:21:39.100 --> 00:21:49.420 their form of communication. What you see is that the child is pointing to all of the letters 00:21:49.420 --> 00:21:54.580 that are exactly, or numbers, that are exactly what the target stimulus was that you gave 00:21:54.580 --> 00:22:03.900 to the person that they're telepathic with. And there's 97 to 100% accuracy with these 00:22:03.900 --> 00:22:11.460 children. And I've tested many children under, you know, as rigorous of 00:22:11.460 --> 00:22:17.140 circumstances as I could. The most rigorous experiments that I had were with 00:22:17.140 --> 00:22:21.900 the girl named Haley, where I put a visual barrier between her and the two 00:22:21.900 --> 00:22:26.060 different therapists that she was telepathic with. And neither of them 00:22:26.060 --> 00:22:32.100 were, I mean, there was no touch involved, there was no visual cuing, there was, and 00:22:32.100 --> 00:22:41.860 there was no auditory cueing. And so, and Haley could type independently into a talking device, 00:22:41.860 --> 00:22:51.980 which is like an iPad. So that's really the most convincing evidence. And I think that 00:22:51.980 --> 00:22:59.500 anybody who sees that would say that they think that there's information being transmitted. 00:22:59.500 --> 00:23:00.940 There's no question. 00:23:00.940 --> 00:23:04.900 And the issue is, you know, what's the mechanism for that? 00:23:04.900 --> 00:23:09.520 And then there are other things in the podcast 00:23:09.520 --> 00:23:14.520 such as telepathy among the children. 00:23:14.520 --> 00:23:18.460 You know, several of them report that they go to the hill 00:23:18.460 --> 00:23:22.140 and that that's a place where they can download information 00:23:22.140 --> 00:23:25.420 and they can access one another. 00:23:25.420 --> 00:23:29.500 And that's a little harder to prove. 00:23:29.500 --> 00:23:33.260 I mean, that's something that I'm wanting to do experiments on. 00:23:33.260 --> 00:23:36.140 I mean, we have the anecdotal accounts, 00:23:36.140 --> 00:23:39.420 but I really want to see if I can prove 00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:41.460 that the children are telepathic with one another 00:23:41.460 --> 00:23:45.020 by controlled experiments. 00:23:45.020 --> 00:23:46.740 Another thing that we have anecdotes about 00:23:46.740 --> 00:23:48.300 is the precognition. 00:23:48.300 --> 00:23:51.460 So we have, for example, a girl on the podcast 00:23:51.460 --> 00:23:57.860 who had a dream that her father slipped on ice. 00:23:57.860 --> 00:24:00.260 And they live in Arizona where there's no ice. 00:24:00.260 --> 00:24:03.860 And it happened three weeks later 00:24:03.860 --> 00:24:05.180 when he was on a business trip. 00:24:05.180 --> 00:24:06.220 He slipped on the ice. 00:24:06.220 --> 00:24:10.700 And she also knew that he'd end up 00:24:10.700 --> 00:24:13.500 in the hospital with a broken hip as a result, 00:24:13.500 --> 00:24:16.140 which was the case. 00:24:16.140 --> 00:24:18.300 So that's a really fascinating anecdote. 00:24:18.300 --> 00:24:20.380 And I've heard many like that over the years. 00:24:20.380 --> 00:24:26.380 But once again, to say that you have evidence for precognition is a little more challenging. 00:24:26.380 --> 00:24:31.060 And so, what I'd like to do is I'd like to do some kind of experiments in which I can 00:24:31.060 --> 00:24:35.820 show it in a shorter time frame, because that's one of the problems about predicting the future 00:24:35.820 --> 00:24:40.620 is that you don't know is this going to happen 30 minutes from now, or is it going to happen 00:24:40.620 --> 00:24:42.980 three months from now, or three years from now. 00:24:42.980 --> 00:24:43.980 Yeah. 00:24:43.980 --> 00:24:51.780 So just to clarify for the audience, the hill is like this kind of a psychic internet space 00:24:51.780 --> 00:24:56.980 where these kids, without any technologies involved, they might be lying on their bed 00:24:56.980 --> 00:25:02.180 in their bedroom with pillows over their head to shut out other stimuli, can communicate 00:25:02.180 --> 00:25:06.100 with each other across continents. 00:25:06.100 --> 00:25:12.220 And they can convey information which maybe the mothers can verify or something that they 00:25:12.220 --> 00:25:16.220 They couldn't talk on the phone or anything because they can't talk. 00:25:16.220 --> 00:25:21.220 But the information, very specific information is conveyed, which the mothers can confirm. 00:25:21.220 --> 00:25:25.220 And the kids do this all the time. 00:25:25.220 --> 00:25:32.220 So, is that an adequate explanation of what the hill is? 00:25:32.220 --> 00:25:35.220 Yeah, it's a non-physical place. 00:25:35.220 --> 00:25:38.220 Yeah, it's like a psychic field of some kind. 00:25:38.220 --> 00:25:40.220 Yeah, yeah, and they generally go there 00:25:40.220 --> 00:25:46.500 But during their sleeping that it's not some place they go to while they're awake. They're joking 00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:47.660 I was on the impression 00:25:47.660 --> 00:25:53.800 They would just kind of lie down and relax and be able to communicate in the waking state with a settled condition 00:25:53.800 --> 00:25:57.660 That was something that 00:25:57.660 --> 00:26:04.380 that was something that a couple of them said that they did but I'd say that the ones that the majority of the 00:26:05.500 --> 00:26:12.300 Kids that I've asked about it. They've said that they they do it in their sleep. Okay, so is it like lucid dreaming where they're 00:26:12.300 --> 00:26:14.700 very in control of what they're 00:26:14.700 --> 00:26:22.300 Experiencing during the sleep and then it's very when they wake up. Yeah, it's very much like lucid dreaming and 00:26:22.300 --> 00:26:25.520 in fact people who are lucid dreamers 00:26:25.520 --> 00:26:31.300 Can sometimes connect with them on the hill even though they're not autistic 00:26:31.700 --> 00:26:37.700 Yeah, I have a friend who says that she has been connecting on the hill for and she is extremely eloquent not 00:26:37.700 --> 00:26:42.120 Handicapped in any way and she's been doing this for years and calling it the hill 00:26:42.120 --> 00:26:48.500 Long before she heard of the lefty tapes or that that term I might put you in touch with her if you're interested 00:26:48.500 --> 00:26:55.640 She's got some interesting projects going on. But um, okay, so that we clarified that point. So 00:26:56.460 --> 00:27:01.500 So based upon the point we were just discussing, of things which you have seen and have recorded 00:27:01.500 --> 00:27:10.060 and have probably written about and which are obvious to you, are not faked or contrived 00:27:10.060 --> 00:27:18.520 in any way, there is such a hurdle in terms of getting the scientific community to look 00:27:18.520 --> 00:27:21.300 at this stuff, much less accept it. 00:27:21.300 --> 00:27:26.300 It's like, you've heard of the Galileo Commission, you've probably actually given one of their 00:27:26.300 --> 00:27:33.660 webinars or something, where they're so named because Galileo's contemporaries in the Catholic 00:27:33.660 --> 00:27:38.160 Church refused to look through his telescope to see that Jupiter had moons, because for 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:42.540 some reason Jupiter having moons conflicted with Church doctrine, and so they said it couldn't 00:27:42.540 --> 00:27:46.140 be so and we're not even going to bother to look. 00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:53.100 And these days, I'm sure you have encountered a great many scientists who don't want to bother 00:27:53.100 --> 00:27:59.020 to look at your research or Dean Radin's research and so on because they feel like it's, they're 00:27:59.020 --> 00:28:03.420 too busy, it's not worth their time, it must be faked in some way, it couldn't be true. 00:28:03.420 --> 00:28:09.340 I mean, do you find that frustrating and what do you do to try to break through that crust? 00:28:09.340 --> 00:28:16.460 Well, it has been frustrating, I would say, but I really do think that we're on the precipice of a 00:28:16.460 --> 00:28:22.860 change. I really do. I mean, many of us thought that that would be the case ten years ago, though. 00:28:22.860 --> 00:28:30.300 And there was an article that I read by Chris Carter in which he talked about people who are 00:28:30.300 --> 00:28:38.140 famous skeptics who actually admitted that there is more evidence for telepathy than there is for 00:28:38.140 --> 00:28:45.900 a lot of things in science. So they'll admit it, but they still don't want to give it their 00:28:45.900 --> 00:28:52.140 stamp of approval. And I think one of the reasons why I say that I think this is on 00:28:52.140 --> 00:28:58.820 the verge of changing is not only the response to the telepathy tapes, but I learned about 00:28:58.820 --> 00:29:04.900 a week ago that Elon Musk patented the term telepathy. 00:29:04.900 --> 00:29:05.900 Really? 00:29:05.900 --> 00:29:06.900 Yes. 00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:07.900 Can you do that? 00:29:07.900 --> 00:29:09.900 I don't know. 00:29:09.900 --> 00:29:14.900 That's like patenting the term "banana" or something. 00:29:14.900 --> 00:29:22.900 Yeah, well, apparently, I mean, he has plans to develop some kind of... 00:29:22.900 --> 00:29:25.900 He's got Neuralink, a company called Neuralink. 00:29:25.900 --> 00:29:33.900 Yeah, a chip that you can put in the brain that connects with Neuralink and enable people to be telepathic. 00:29:33.900 --> 00:29:38.900 and I find that a bit of a frightening thought actually. 00:29:38.900 --> 00:29:39.900 Yeah. 00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:44.900 But the fact that he actually coined that term... 00:29:44.900 --> 00:29:45.900 Patented it. 00:29:45.900 --> 00:29:47.900 Yeah, patented that man. 00:29:47.900 --> 00:29:51.900 I didn't know you could patent a word that's been in common parlance for hundreds of years. 00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:53.900 I don't get that. 00:29:53.900 --> 00:29:58.900 I was surprised. He also patented the term telekinesis. 00:29:58.900 --> 00:30:03.940 >> There's a great joke by Stephen Wright, he said to the audience, "If you believe in 00:30:03.940 --> 00:30:08.500 telekinesis, raise my hand." >> Right, yeah. I love that. 00:30:08.500 --> 00:30:15.780 >> Well, anyway, it'll be interesting to see what comes of that. I'm surprised. But would 00:30:15.780 --> 00:30:19.780 that mean that like Kai Dickens would have to change the name of her podcast or something 00:30:19.780 --> 00:30:24.740 because Musk has the patent on it? >> No, because she's got her own 00:30:24.740 --> 00:30:28.740 copyright on the telepathy tapes. 00:30:28.740 --> 00:30:31.740 Interesting. 00:30:31.740 --> 00:30:41.740 Okay, so on this idea of scientific stubbornness and skepticism, I have a friend who has an 00:30:41.740 --> 00:30:49.100 autistic daughter and is practicing to give a TEDx talk, and she has to go before a review 00:30:49.100 --> 00:30:54.060 board multiple times and they've been giving her such a hard time, you know, so skeptical 00:30:54.060 --> 00:30:59.660 and they keep trying to get her to dumb down her talk because it's about autistic kids 00:30:59.660 --> 00:31:02.860 having these abilities. 00:31:02.860 --> 00:31:08.060 But finally, some of the review, a couple of the review board members ended up watching 00:31:08.060 --> 00:31:13.420 or listening to the telepathy tapes and she said their attitude changed greatly. 00:31:13.420 --> 00:31:17.340 She went back for another practice run with them and they were so much softer and more 00:31:17.340 --> 00:31:18.340 accepting. 00:31:18.340 --> 00:31:23.540 There's just an example of how this is impacting people with a skeptical mindset. 00:31:23.540 --> 00:31:26.580 Pete Yeah, absolutely. And I think so much of it 00:31:26.580 --> 00:31:31.860 is because in the podcast, you have the voices of these parents and teachers, and they're all 00:31:31.860 --> 00:31:33.540 pretty much saying the same thing. 00:31:33.540 --> 00:31:36.660 Pete Yeah. I think one of the problems, 00:31:36.660 --> 00:31:43.060 one of the reasons, and you can elaborate on this for the resistance, is that it requires, 00:31:43.860 --> 00:31:52.740 or it's trying to bring about a paradigm shift. And paradigms don't shift on a dime, so to speak. 00:31:52.740 --> 00:31:58.980 They are rather entrenched and, you know, if you read Thomas Kuhn, there's a good reason that they're 00:31:58.980 --> 00:32:03.140 kind of entrenched. We wouldn't want them to just flip with every little bit of evidence that comes 00:32:03.140 --> 00:32:10.420 along, but there have to be, once there are enough anomalies in Kuhn's explanation, paradigms 00:32:10.420 --> 00:32:15.460 eventually shift and give way to a new way of thinking. But in any case, we have a fairly 00:32:15.460 --> 00:32:23.060 entrenched paradigm in the world of, you know, the materialist worldview, and this stuff is 00:32:23.060 --> 00:32:29.220 very threatening, wouldn't you say, to those who are ensconced in that worldview? 00:32:29.220 --> 00:32:37.620 Well, it's mainly threatening to their careers in the sense that if you have this theory, 00:32:39.460 --> 00:32:43.140 you built your whole career around it and then you have someone that upends it and says, 00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:47.940 "Oh, it's based on a false paradigm or an incomplete paradigm," then that is threatening. 00:32:47.940 --> 00:32:55.700 Upton Sinclair said you can't convince someone of something whose salary depends upon not, 00:32:55.700 --> 00:33:00.580 you know, believing it or, you know, is because, you know, money talks. 00:33:00.580 --> 00:33:08.020 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. For some people, it really creates cognitive dissonance, 00:33:08.020 --> 00:33:15.020 And I think a lot of that cognitive dissonance is because they just don't see how it's possible. 00:33:15.020 --> 00:33:18.020 And they themselves have never experienced it. 00:33:18.020 --> 00:33:33.020 One of my theories about why a lot of the people who are these die-hard scientists, materialist scientists, don't experience it is because they are so left hemisphere oriented. 00:33:33.020 --> 00:33:41.980 I mean, they're very analytical and logical and they only see what they expect to see. 00:33:41.980 --> 00:33:49.340 And that's a well-known phenomenon that belief plays a huge role in whether or not you ever 00:33:49.340 --> 00:33:54.540 experience these phenomena. Maybe Elon Musk can figure out how to give people a Jill 00:33:54.540 --> 00:33:59.020 Bolte-Taylor style stroke without actually having to have a stroke, and then they can all 00:33:59.580 --> 00:34:06.140 see things differently. Well, you can do something, you can actually without, you can do something 00:34:06.140 --> 00:34:13.340 that's reversible by using magnets, magnetic stimulation. You can reduce the activity of 00:34:13.340 --> 00:34:21.180 sections of the brain and bring on things like out-of-body experiences or, like you said, you 00:34:21.180 --> 00:34:28.380 know, reducing the activity of the left hemisphere and causing somebody to have more of a right 00:34:28.380 --> 00:34:32.940 hemisphere dominance, which is more that creative, intuitive space. 00:34:32.940 --> 00:34:37.740 Yeah, and of course, entheogens can do these kinds of things too. 00:34:37.740 --> 00:34:42.100 Last time I talked to Jeffrey Martin, he and Shinzen Young were messing around with some 00:34:42.100 --> 00:34:47.860 kind of magnet machine, and he said that Shinzen said he had better experiences with that than 00:34:47.860 --> 00:34:51.340 in all of his years of Zen practice. 00:34:51.340 --> 00:34:53.020 Yeah. 00:34:53.020 --> 00:34:58.540 Yeah, okay, just dwelling on this point a little bit more. 00:34:58.540 --> 00:35:03.740 So I mean, the people we're talking about, I think, for the most part, believe that the 00:35:03.740 --> 00:35:06.740 brain somehow has a soul through which we can communicate. 00:35:06.740 --> 00:35:10.460 Yeah, well, there is a field. 00:35:10.460 --> 00:35:16.260 Consciousness is some kind of field, like the electromagnetic field, runs counter to the 00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:18.900 notion that the brain creates consciousness. 00:35:18.900 --> 00:35:26.100 that's what you need to sort of accept, I guess, to understand how telepathy could be a thing, 00:35:26.100 --> 00:35:30.500 right? That there's some kind of field that interconnects us all through which we can 00:35:30.500 --> 00:35:37.940 communicate. Yeah, well, there is a field that interconnects us all. Yeah, I mean, I think... 00:35:37.940 --> 00:35:44.900 You and I feel that, but... Well, yeah, I think that the majority of the evidence suggests that. 00:35:44.900 --> 00:35:54.180 I mean, who talks about the fact that consciousness has this effect against modern physics, basically, 00:35:54.180 --> 00:35:55.180 which isn't so modern. 00:35:55.180 --> 00:35:58.100 I mean, a lot of it is a hundred years old. 00:35:58.100 --> 00:36:04.300 But I talk about some of the things that are accepted science that really make it so that 00:36:04.300 --> 00:36:07.860 you would expect some of these phenomena. 00:36:07.860 --> 00:36:14.820 So for example, you have physicists like John Wheeler, who talks about the fact that consciousness 00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:26.580 has this effect, whenever we measure something, we alter it. And so, you know, that's, it's 00:36:26.580 --> 00:36:34.440 more appropriate to think that we're kind of co-creating reality rather than that we're 00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:35.860 just witnessing it. 00:36:35.860 --> 00:36:41.380 Yeah, and Max Planck and all these guys were saying that, you know, you can't get behind 00:36:41.380 --> 00:36:47.860 consciousness is the fundamental and everything else arises from there and so on. 00:36:47.860 --> 00:36:52.100 But it just, you know, like you say, that was over a hundred years ago, but it just hasn't 00:36:52.100 --> 00:36:58.660 totally trickled into the mainstream. But, you know, I think the popularity of this show and 00:36:58.660 --> 00:37:03.540 the fact that, like you said, three-quarters of Americans believe such things are possible 00:37:04.900 --> 00:37:13.060 probably by Kessler titled Roots of Coincidence. And well I do think they are. I mean that you 00:37:13.060 --> 00:37:17.860 had people you had all of these famous scientists like Einstein himself that thought that there was 00:37:17.860 --> 00:37:25.460 something to it. He wrote a forward for Upton Sinclair's book about his wife who had abilities. 00:37:26.020 --> 00:37:38.580 Interesting. And there's also this book by Kessler titled Roots of Coincidence, and there was a quote 00:37:38.580 --> 00:37:44.100 that just knocked my socks off when I read that quote, and this was after I had already written 00:37:44.100 --> 00:37:51.300 my book and published it, and that quote said that unless there's a grand conspiracy, 00:37:52.820 --> 00:37:57.820 that ESP is going to be accepted by science. 00:37:57.820 --> 00:38:03.820 And this is a book that was written back in the mid 70s. 00:38:03.820 --> 00:38:07.400 - Yeah. 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.940 - There were so many prominent, eminent scientists 00:38:10.940 --> 00:38:14.420 who had looked at evidence and had come to that conclusion 00:38:14.420 --> 00:38:17.380 that they just thought that it was inevitable 00:38:17.380 --> 00:38:20.540 that it was going to then get accepted. 00:38:20.540 --> 00:38:26.860 here we are 50 years later. And so that's why I think when people say, "Well, paradigms don't 00:38:26.860 --> 00:38:35.260 change on a dime," well, we're not on a dime. I mean... It's not even changing on an anvil. It's 00:38:35.260 --> 00:38:45.660 slow to change. And so there is this, it's kind of like this back and forth, okay? So 50 years ago, 00:38:45.660 --> 00:38:52.380 it was on the verge of being accepted, then it went underground again. 00:38:52.380 --> 00:38:59.740 And I suspect that a lot of that is because of the Cold War with the Soviet Union, who had their own 00:38:59.740 --> 00:39:06.140 programs, very advanced programs, and these kinds of abilities. And our military intelligence was 00:39:06.140 --> 00:39:12.460 funding people like Al Putoff and Russell Targ to do research on remote viewing. 00:39:13.980 --> 00:39:20.380 And you have people like Roger Nelson who's done research on good days and they have bad days and 00:39:20.380 --> 00:39:25.500 the need to affect random number generators and you just have all of these people that 00:39:25.500 --> 00:39:30.940 have been involved in this research and I think we're coming back the pendulum swinging back again 00:39:30.940 --> 00:39:39.900 and I think this time it's going to get accepted. Yeah, do you ever worry that these kids might be 00:39:39.900 --> 00:39:43.820 recruited by the CIA or something like that? Is that just far-fetched? 00:39:43.820 --> 00:39:52.380 No, no, I don't. No, because, first of all, I mean, they have very, very involved parents 00:39:52.380 --> 00:40:01.420 who are very protective of them. Secondly, the children themselves are, they're not, 00:40:01.420 --> 00:40:07.900 they're not going to cooperate with something. Sometimes it's hard to even get them to cooperate 00:40:07.900 --> 00:40:13.820 with me, you know, or Kai, you know, just because they have good days and they have bad days. And 00:40:13.820 --> 00:40:19.420 if they don't feel like doing something, or if they feel like something is not 00:40:19.420 --> 00:40:22.940 a good thing to do, then they're not going to get involved in it. 00:40:22.940 --> 00:40:29.740 Pete: Right. And they can't take a lot of stimuli and excitement and strange environments and things 00:40:29.740 --> 00:40:30.140 like that. 00:40:30.140 --> 00:40:37.500 Exactly, exactly. They get emotionally dysregulated pretty easily and they're so influenced by 00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:44.380 the consciousness of those who are around them that if you had some CIA agents that 00:40:44.380 --> 00:40:54.740 had some nefarious purposes or whatever that they wanted to put them to, they're just not 00:40:54.740 --> 00:40:56.820 gonna go along with it. 00:40:56.820 --> 00:40:57.820 Yeah. 00:40:57.820 --> 00:41:05.060 In a way, what, the way you describe their personalities, I find to be evidence for the 00:41:05.060 --> 00:41:13.860 veracity of their abilities, because it just shows they are so open, so porous, you know, 00:41:13.860 --> 00:41:16.060 so not shut down. 00:41:16.060 --> 00:41:24.700 And you would almost, I think it might be possible to gain an integrated state and be a, you 00:41:24.700 --> 00:41:31.500 so-called normally functioning human being and have these abilities, but that at this point is more 00:41:31.500 --> 00:41:35.660 rare. But like we were talking about yogis or people like that who may have developed it, 00:41:35.660 --> 00:41:42.620 but with these kids, they don't have that, as you're saying, and their porousness, while on 00:41:42.620 --> 00:41:49.340 the one hand is a handicap because it makes it difficult for them to function in ordinary society, 00:41:49.340 --> 00:41:52.140 on the other hand is an asset because it gives them this ability. 00:41:52.140 --> 00:42:01.960 Right, right. Yeah, and so as a result, they have this ability, but they really spend a 00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:08.460 lot of time just in their home. You know, spend a lot of time in a very kind of cloistered 00:42:08.460 --> 00:42:14.780 sort of protected environment, but yet much to the relief of a lot of parents, they're 00:42:14.780 --> 00:42:19.340 not as alone as the parents had feared that they might be, because that's one of the things 00:42:19.340 --> 00:42:24.580 that's so beautiful about the Hill is that they are getting some of their social needs 00:42:24.580 --> 00:42:25.580 met through that. 00:42:25.580 --> 00:42:26.580 That's really cool. 00:42:26.580 --> 00:42:30.460 Okay, I said I had a series of three questions. 00:42:30.460 --> 00:42:32.700 Here's the second one. 00:42:32.700 --> 00:42:37.980 What are some of the things that you've been observing in your research and in the 00:42:37.980 --> 00:42:44.460 lefty tape sessions for which there is yet insufficient evidence, but which you feel 00:42:44.460 --> 00:42:50.300 that there probably will be evidence with further study, or at least you hope so. 00:42:50.300 --> 00:42:57.260 Particularly, are there any claims being made in the Tleil-Ethli tape series which you feel are 00:42:57.260 --> 00:43:02.220 a little bit unsubstantiated and probably shouldn't be made? 00:43:02.220 --> 00:43:07.580 >> I don't know that I'd say they're unsubstantiated and shouldn't be made. I mean, 00:43:08.540 --> 00:43:17.900 there's a lot of, so for example, a lot of these children have given information about a deceased 00:43:17.900 --> 00:43:28.060 loved one to people that, whether it's their parent or the teacher or therapist who's working 00:43:28.060 --> 00:43:32.540 with them, and it's just this sort of spontaneous thing where they'll just say, "Oh, you know, 00:43:33.580 --> 00:43:42.300 so-and-so's here wanting to, you know, tell you this. And they usually don't even know that that 00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:48.620 person ever existed because the person was dead long before they were born. And yet, they're 00:43:48.620 --> 00:43:55.740 getting information that only that individual would have known. I mean, it's something that's very 00:43:55.740 --> 00:44:02.460 specific that tells them that, oh, it tells the person who hears this that, oh, wow, that really 00:44:02.460 --> 00:44:13.800 probably was my grandmother or my late uncle. And so, it's in that middle ground where I'd 00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:19.600 like to see if there's an experiment that I could do to actually test these mediumship 00:44:19.600 --> 00:44:29.660 abilities. And one way to do that would be to organize a reading and have them see if 00:44:29.660 --> 00:44:35.020 they could do that just like the research that's been done with mediums by Gary 00:44:35.020 --> 00:44:40.180 Schwartz or Julie Eichol or by the Forever Family Foundation. There's 00:44:40.180 --> 00:44:46.060 there are a lot of mediums who've been certified after passing these rigorous 00:44:46.060 --> 00:44:51.380 protocols. So I'd like to do that. I think it'd be interesting to have someone 00:44:51.380 --> 00:44:56.980 who's a medium present to see if they get the same information as the child 00:44:56.980 --> 00:45:03.740 does as well. Yeah, well do you think, I mean, I guess when you have witnessed this particular 00:45:03.740 --> 00:45:09.660 phenomenon, it's just kind of happened out of the blue, that's not the reason you even were 00:45:09.660 --> 00:45:15.900 working with the kid, but it just happened to happen. Do you think these kids could do that 00:45:15.900 --> 00:45:21.900 on command, so to speak? Not command, but just you have a session specifically set up for them to 00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:26.940 to contact some deceased people and they would be able to do it? 00:45:26.940 --> 00:45:31.660 >> They might be able to do it. I mean, that's how it's been done with the mediums. 00:45:31.660 --> 00:45:32.060 >> Sure. 00:45:32.060 --> 00:45:37.420 >> And I think it's one of those things where you just make the arrangements in advance, 00:45:37.420 --> 00:45:44.220 you know, where you just... So, for example, in the mediumship research, 00:45:46.700 --> 00:45:53.340 some of the mediums that I've talked to would say that you know when then when somebody is 00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:59.020 scheduled to be that's called a sitter you know that's the person who's getting the reading so 00:45:59.020 --> 00:46:06.380 if somebody's scheduled to be a sitter sometimes even before the reading begins the medium starts 00:46:06.380 --> 00:46:13.020 receiving information. Right. So I was gift for example I was gifted a free reading by Gary Schwartz 00:46:13.020 --> 00:46:21.900 because he wanted to test out this medium. And that morning before I even, you know, 00:46:21.900 --> 00:46:29.980 in the morning, and the medium said that this person came to her, and this was like hours before 00:46:29.980 --> 00:46:37.340 the reading, came to her named George. My daughter's father's father was named George. 00:46:37.340 --> 00:46:41.260 That's interesting when she said that to me. I thought, well, you know, who do I know named 00:46:41.260 --> 00:46:46.940 George is dead. And she said to me, "Well, he says that he's your grandfather." And I said, "Well, 00:46:46.940 --> 00:46:53.260 I didn't have a grandfather named George." And then I realized that I said, "Well, could it be 00:46:53.260 --> 00:47:03.900 that it's my daughter's grandfather?" Because my daughter's father's father was named George. 00:47:03.900 --> 00:47:08.340 and he died before I even met my husband. 00:47:08.340 --> 00:47:13.340 And my daughter, when she was a small child, 00:47:13.340 --> 00:47:17.820 said to me that she saw this spirit in the house 00:47:17.820 --> 00:47:22.820 that she was convinced was her father's father. 00:47:22.820 --> 00:47:25.700 And so I thought, well, that's very interesting 00:47:25.700 --> 00:47:27.740 that you bring that up. 00:47:27.740 --> 00:47:30.460 And so when I said that could it be my daughter's grandfather 00:47:30.460 --> 00:47:32.820 she said, absolutely, that's what he said it is. 00:47:32.820 --> 00:47:40.340 And so, and then he said other things that, you know, were very specific to me. 00:47:40.340 --> 00:47:53.300 So, I think that there's this, there's almost like this awareness from, you know, from the 00:47:53.300 --> 00:47:59.260 other side that, "Oh, here's an opportunity." 00:47:59.260 --> 00:48:03.100 so then it gives that, you know, so they're going to show, it's like an appointment with them. It's 00:48:03.100 --> 00:48:07.740 not just an appointment with you as the sitter, it's an appointment with them as well. 00:48:07.740 --> 00:48:14.860 Pete: Yeah. In other words, from the other side, they, a lot of them might be eager to communicate 00:48:14.860 --> 00:48:20.220 with somebody on earth and when they spot somebody who's capable of serving as a medium, 00:48:20.220 --> 00:48:26.380 they flock around and like, you know, kind of like Patrick Swayze and Whoopi Goldberg in Ghost. 00:48:26.380 --> 00:48:40.140 Do you think that mediums display any degree of telepathic ability since they have that 00:48:40.140 --> 00:48:45.180 openness, that one channel is open at least to people who are deceased? 00:48:45.180 --> 00:48:50.380 They also, like you're saying, the autistic kids might have mediumship abilities. 00:48:50.380 --> 00:48:52.860 Conversely, would mediums have telepathic abilities? 00:48:52.860 --> 00:48:54.940 Any evidence for that? 00:48:54.940 --> 00:49:00.940 Well, I think some of them very well could. 00:49:00.940 --> 00:49:07.660 So, one of the famous psychics is a woman named Laura Lynn Jackson, 00:49:07.660 --> 00:49:14.220 and I knew her from her serving on the scientific board of the Forever Family Foundation with me. 00:49:14.220 --> 00:49:19.020 And she's somebody who is both a psychic and a medium. 00:49:20.460 --> 00:49:26.620 And what's interesting about her is that she can tell the difference between whether or not she's 00:49:26.620 --> 00:49:31.420 getting information as a medium versus as a psychic because she actually sees it in 00:49:31.420 --> 00:49:41.900 opposite visual fields. And when Jeff Tarrant did a QEG study of her when she was doing readings, 00:49:42.700 --> 00:49:55.740 he found that opposite halves of the visual cortex were involved and it corresponded exactly to the 00:49:55.740 --> 00:50:01.500 area in her visual field that she said that she was getting the information. Interesting. 00:50:01.500 --> 00:50:08.620 Okay, so here's the third question in that series of questions. What are some of the things for 00:50:08.620 --> 00:50:13.780 for which there may never be evidence because they are beyond the scope of scientific methodologies, 00:50:13.780 --> 00:50:16.220 but which may nonetheless be true. 00:50:16.220 --> 00:50:17.220 >> Hmm. 00:50:17.220 --> 00:50:23.380 Well, and you're talking specifically about these autistic kids? 00:50:23.380 --> 00:50:28.740 >> Yeah, I mean, I can think of examples that are outside of this topic, such as, you know, 00:50:28.740 --> 00:50:33.660 multiple universes which are outside the light cone and we can never really verify their existence. 00:50:33.660 --> 00:50:38.660 Regarding, you know, the topic at hand here, do you think there are some things which you 00:50:38.660 --> 00:50:44.020 have seen, which you just think, you know, how would science ever be able to measure 00:50:44.020 --> 00:50:48.100 this or verify it? 00:50:48.100 --> 00:50:54.460 Well, I think that a lot of the theories for what's going on are really tricky. 00:50:54.460 --> 00:50:58.900 They're hard to test. 00:50:58.900 --> 00:51:03.440 But that's different than talking about an ability. 00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:11.060 I think that potentially all of the abilities could be proven, given enough time. 00:51:11.060 --> 00:51:12.780 Okay, good. 00:51:12.780 --> 00:51:21.800 So, there have been some skeptical articles and podcasts and all about the telepathy tapes. 00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:28.700 How about if you take a few minutes to just raise some of the skeptical questions or objections 00:51:28.700 --> 00:51:34.780 that people have raised and shoot them down. 00:51:34.780 --> 00:51:41.780 What are some of the typical things you hear from, let's say, from skeptics, and what would 00:51:41.780 --> 00:51:44.660 your rebuttal to those points be? 00:51:44.660 --> 00:51:53.020 Well, I'd say the most common criticism is that they really jump on the idea that these 00:51:53.020 --> 00:51:57.700 children are using facilitated communication and say that facilitated 00:51:57.700 --> 00:52:06.140 communication has been debunked and therefore this is just pseudoscience 00:52:06.140 --> 00:52:09.220 because that's the way in which the children are communicating it. 00:52:09.220 --> 00:52:12.780 So what they mean by facilitated communication is that they're referring 00:52:12.780 --> 00:52:24.260 referring to a form of helping the child to express themselves that is decades old and 00:52:24.260 --> 00:52:32.340 it required the facilitator to actually support the wrist of the child while they were trying 00:52:32.340 --> 00:52:36.300 to point to letters. 00:52:36.300 --> 00:52:42.580 And I can totally understand why that was a concern because it really does kind of look 00:52:42.580 --> 00:52:49.860 like a Ouija board kind of thing. I mean, how do you know that that child is really moving 00:52:49.860 --> 00:52:54.280 their own hand towards that letter when it's being supported by somebody's hand underneath 00:52:54.280 --> 00:53:01.960 the wrist? So I can understand that criticism, but that doesn't really apply to the research 00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:07.420 that I've been doing because I don't do research with children who require that kind of facilitated 00:53:07.420 --> 00:53:13.340 communication. And so what they're doing is they're referring to any communication that's using 00:53:13.340 --> 00:53:23.980 a letter board as facilitated, even if there's no touch. And then on top of that, there are children 00:53:23.980 --> 00:53:28.700 that I have tested who can type independently. They're not even Yudi. 00:53:28.700 --> 00:53:32.940 Yeah. As I understand it, a lot of these kids need to be touched because they're so... 00:53:34.460 --> 00:53:37.740 So, and I don't consider that facilitated communication. 00:53:37.740 --> 00:53:45.060 So to shoot down all of the research based on the fact that they saw that one child was 00:53:45.060 --> 00:53:48.460 touched while pointing to a letter board is-- 00:53:48.460 --> 00:53:49.460 Dishonest. 00:53:49.460 --> 00:53:53.500 Yeah, yeah, I don't consider that to be an integrity. 00:53:53.500 --> 00:53:54.500 Yeah. 00:53:54.500 --> 00:53:59.100 As I understand it, a lot of these kids need to be touched because they're so disconnected 00:53:59.100 --> 00:54:04.580 from their bodies that they need to be touched to be reminded of where their body is. 00:54:04.580 --> 00:54:06.940 It kind of grounds them in a way or something. 00:54:06.940 --> 00:54:12.660 But as I've heard it described, the touching sort of progresses such that initially they 00:54:12.660 --> 00:54:16.880 might have their wrist touched, but then maybe the elbow and then maybe the shoulder. 00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:21.220 And so it gets to a point where maybe the parent just has a hand on their back or something, 00:54:21.220 --> 00:54:27.300 but there's no way the parent could be cuing them which letters to press on the letterboard 00:54:27.300 --> 00:54:30.180 through that kind of stimulus. 00:54:30.180 --> 00:54:31.020 - Yeah, exactly. 00:54:31.020 --> 00:54:34.340 I mean, sometimes the touch is, like you said, 00:54:34.340 --> 00:54:38.300 it's to help them to really be oriented in their body 00:54:38.300 --> 00:54:40.020 a little better than they are, 00:54:40.020 --> 00:54:43.020 'cause they really struggle with proprioception, 00:54:43.020 --> 00:54:46.120 which is the ability to know where your body is in space. 00:54:46.120 --> 00:54:51.060 But oftentimes the touch is just a comforting thing. 00:54:51.060 --> 00:54:55.780 I mean, it's really anxiety provoking to be on the spot, 00:54:55.780 --> 00:55:01.740 asked to demonstrate something when you've got cameras on you, 00:55:01.740 --> 00:55:04.620 and you've got all of these people standing around, 00:55:04.620 --> 00:55:08.060 you know, wanting you to perform. 00:55:08.060 --> 00:55:12.660 And these are children for whom changes to their normal routine 00:55:12.660 --> 00:55:16.900 are not easy for them to navigate. 00:55:16.900 --> 00:55:19.700 Right. 00:55:19.700 --> 00:55:22.660 What do you think the kids' subjective experience is 00:55:22.660 --> 00:55:29.860 when they are disassociated from their bodies? You feel like, I mean, are they just like really 00:55:29.860 --> 00:55:35.460 spaced out or do you feel like they're in a coherent frame of mind, but just in some way 00:55:35.460 --> 00:55:39.700 very far removed from the physicality of this world? 00:55:39.700 --> 00:55:45.780 Susan: I don't, I wouldn't say that they're spaced out. What I'd say is that it's like they have, 00:55:45.780 --> 00:55:50.020 they're divided between two worlds. 00:55:50.020 --> 00:55:52.820 >> Hmm, interesting way of putting it. Yes, elaborate on that. 00:55:52.820 --> 00:55:54.980 >> I'm sorry? Elaborate on that? 00:55:54.980 --> 00:55:55.780 >> If you could, yeah. 00:55:55.780 --> 00:56:08.020 >> Well, so their mind-body connection is very tenuous and so they aren't completely 00:56:08.020 --> 00:56:16.180 integrated into their body and they are still connected with, you know, for lack of a better 00:56:16.180 --> 00:56:20.420 word source or you know the collective consciousness, whatever you want to call that. So they're 00:56:20.420 --> 00:56:25.300 kind of they're connected with that and yet at the same time when you're asking them to 00:56:25.300 --> 00:56:30.820 communicate with this letter board, you're also asking them to have to have at least 00:56:30.820 --> 00:56:37.380 some embodied experience even though it's not they're not completely embodied. They still 00:56:37.380 --> 00:56:43.060 need to have something so that they can point to the letters and so it's so that you're asking 00:56:43.060 --> 00:56:49.620 them to be in these two worlds. I think that when they go into their bedroom and close the doors 00:56:49.620 --> 00:56:57.460 and then go into sensory, trying to shut out all sensory stimuli, covering up their ears and 00:56:57.460 --> 00:57:03.940 covering up their eyes and everything like that, they probably are not doing both. 00:57:03.940 --> 00:57:08.500 >> Right, they don't have to touch a letter board, but they could be communicating on the hill or 00:57:08.500 --> 00:57:15.700 something. Right, but when you're asking them to be demonstrating telepathy, you're really 00:57:15.700 --> 00:57:19.140 asking them to be in these two worlds. Yeah, you're kind of forcing them to be integrated 00:57:19.140 --> 00:57:29.700 in a way. Yeah, and I think that probably the closest that the rest of us could have 00:57:29.700 --> 00:57:38.020 to experiencing that is, for example, these sort of transitions between being asleep and being awake. 00:57:38.020 --> 00:57:51.220 So, you'll see in some people that they have a condition, for example, called sleep paralysis. 00:57:51.220 --> 00:57:57.120 The body is paralyzed when we're in dreaming sleep so that we don't act out our dreams. 00:57:57.120 --> 00:58:02.620 And sometimes people will either in their dream have an awareness that their body won't 00:58:02.620 --> 00:58:12.700 move and or they may actually come out of their dream and they can't move their body. I mean, 00:58:12.700 --> 00:58:21.060 they're awake, but they can't move. They're paralyzed and it's a temporary state, but 00:58:21.060 --> 00:58:30.300 it's this mixture where there's this rather than it being, you know, either or it's a 00:58:30.300 --> 00:58:33.300 mixture of both types of brain functionality. 00:58:33.300 --> 00:58:39.100 And of course you see dogs running in their sleep, and so sometimes we move in our dreams. 00:58:39.100 --> 00:58:44.420 I have this weird thing that happens every once in a while where something scary is coming 00:58:44.420 --> 00:58:49.860 at me and I kick it, like a bad person or a bad thing or something, and I physically do 00:58:49.860 --> 00:58:53.540 kick in my sleep. 00:58:53.540 --> 00:58:58.220 Our dogs sleep in a crib next to my bed, and a couple of times I've kicked the crib and 00:58:58.220 --> 00:59:05.500 just disturbed the dogs and hurt my foot. Right, right, yeah, sleepwalking, sleep talking. 00:59:05.500 --> 00:59:13.900 Yeah, there you go. Examples of these kinds of mixed states. Yeah, okay, somewhat on the point 00:59:13.900 --> 00:59:19.020 you just made about the kids being in the field, in the source field or something. 00:59:19.020 --> 00:59:27.660 Well, before I ask that, another question came to mind is that in other ordinary circumstances, 00:59:27.660 --> 00:59:32.660 like, I don't know, eating dinner or going to the bathroom. 00:59:32.660 --> 00:59:34.620 It's up to these kids. 00:59:34.620 --> 00:59:35.700 Are they able to do that? 00:59:35.700 --> 00:59:37.580 Do they know where to put the spoon, 00:59:37.580 --> 00:59:41.140 or where to sit on the toilet, and stuff like that? 00:59:41.140 --> 00:59:43.660 Or do some of them have to be helped 00:59:43.660 --> 00:59:46.580 with those everyday functions? 00:59:46.580 --> 00:59:47.420 Oh, yeah. 00:59:47.420 --> 00:59:49.220 Some of them definitely need to be helped 00:59:49.220 --> 00:59:50.780 with those everyday functions. 00:59:50.780 --> 00:59:51.700 OK. 00:59:51.700 --> 00:59:54.500 Yeah. 00:59:54.500 --> 00:59:58.220 if you read Katie Asher's book about her son Houston, 00:59:58.220 --> 01:00:03.220 you'll see that he, I mean, he needed her to, you know, 01:00:03.220 --> 01:00:05.180 help him go to the bathroom. 01:00:05.180 --> 01:00:06.980 He couldn't go to the bathroom on his own, you know, 01:00:06.980 --> 01:00:10.660 even, you know, even at the age of 20. 01:00:10.660 --> 01:00:13.780 - Wow. Has he learned now or no? 01:00:13.780 --> 01:00:16.500 - I think, I think he's better at it now, 01:00:16.500 --> 01:00:21.500 but it's one of those things where just basic things 01:00:21.500 --> 01:00:23.740 that so many of us take for granted 01:00:23.740 --> 01:00:30.980 are really, really challenging for them. Because if you think about it, you have to know where 01:00:30.980 --> 01:00:40.620 your hands are in space to use them effectively. And so all of these daily tasks require that. 01:00:40.620 --> 01:00:47.620 Everything from getting dressed. Yeah. Eating, do some of them need to be fed? Yeah, some 01:00:47.620 --> 01:00:51.780 Some kids need to be fed. 01:00:51.780 --> 01:00:58.540 Things are easier for them if they can see what's going on. 01:00:58.540 --> 01:01:04.700 If they see where their finger is, then it's easier for them to engage in pointing to the 01:01:04.700 --> 01:01:12.020 letter than if they can't see it. 01:01:12.020 --> 01:01:15.980 something like eating. I mean, it's not, you're not, it's not as fine a motor of a 01:01:15.980 --> 01:01:23.220 task as typing on the keyboard. Right. I'm reminded of a book I read about 50 years 01:01:23.220 --> 01:01:27.300 ago by Oliver Sacks that had a title like something like "The Man Who Mistook 01:01:27.300 --> 01:01:33.420 His Wife for a Hat" or some such thing and it's really unusual, the various 01:01:33.420 --> 01:01:39.060 types of brain damage that the behavior that those can result in, the 01:01:39.060 --> 01:01:45.380 strange way of perceiving the world that certain changes in the brain can create. 01:01:45.380 --> 01:01:52.100 Dr. Dean Yeah, and that's the thing, and I think that's part of what keeps a lot of 01:01:52.100 --> 01:01:57.220 neuroscientists in the materialist model is they think, "Oh, well, you have a stroke here, 01:01:57.220 --> 01:02:04.100 and it changes your perspective on things." I mean, there's this part of the brain that if 01:02:04.100 --> 01:02:10.100 you have a stroke there, you can't see something unless it's moving. Right. Yeah, there's another 01:02:10.100 --> 01:02:14.820 section of the brain that if you have a stroke there, everything loses color and you only see 01:02:14.820 --> 01:02:20.580 black and white. Yeah, or you don't think that your left hand belongs to your body or something 01:02:20.580 --> 01:02:28.740 like that and you know things like that. Right, yeah, you may not or for example you may 01:02:30.260 --> 01:02:36.740 know the name of some tool but you don't know how to use it. Right. Or vice versa, you know how to 01:02:36.740 --> 01:02:43.780 you know how to use it but you don't know the name because of a stroke that removes that and so then 01:02:43.780 --> 01:02:51.220 it that kind of reinforces the idea that the brain is creating consciousness and 01:02:51.220 --> 01:02:58.740 but it really if you think about it to me it's it's more like losing functionality with my 01:02:58.740 --> 01:03:04.140 computer. You know, it's like if I get some kind of computer virus, I may have an app 01:03:04.140 --> 01:03:11.740 that no longer works properly. Okay, but it doesn't mean that whatever it is I'm 01:03:11.740 --> 01:03:16.060 trying to do originates in the computer. The computer is just my interface for 01:03:16.060 --> 01:03:21.500 accessing that. Yeah, or a radio. You know, I mean back in the days when radios had 01:03:21.500 --> 01:03:24.820 tubes, I don't know if you could do this, but maybe you could start taking out 01:03:24.820 --> 01:03:30.100 tubes one by one and the radio would sort of work, but it would kind of like 2001 where he was 01:03:30.100 --> 01:03:36.820 disassembling the the HAL computer and it got more and more simplistic, you know, so 01:03:36.820 --> 01:03:43.700 or just to make it simple, you could just smash the radio with a hammer. It doesn't do anything 01:03:43.700 --> 01:03:47.700 to the electromagnetic field that's conveying the music we were listening to. It just means 01:03:47.700 --> 01:03:54.180 that particular radio isn't going to work anymore. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. And then you have 01:03:54.180 --> 01:04:00.740 people who gain functionality as a result of... Oh yeah, we talked about that in our first interview. 01:04:00.740 --> 01:04:08.420 Give one or two fascinating examples of that and then we'll keep moving on. Well, so there's 01:04:08.420 --> 01:04:15.220 something called acquired savant syndrome and so one of the examples of that is someone named Jason 01:04:15.220 --> 01:04:22.660 Padgett who was just an ordinary bloke and he was beaten up one day coming back from a karaoke bar 01:04:23.540 --> 01:04:32.340 And after he came to, you know, with this concussion, he all of a sudden had acquired this advanced 01:04:32.340 --> 01:04:42.100 ability to do math. And he sees fractals and various other sort of geometrical shapes and 01:04:42.100 --> 01:04:51.060 it's very, very, yeah. And it represents math equations or something. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, 01:04:51.060 --> 01:04:57.060 Yeah, he's sort of seeing the mathematical relationships behind something. 01:04:57.060 --> 01:04:58.060 Mm-hmm. 01:04:58.060 --> 01:05:04.300 Yeah, so for example, like the Fibonacci sequence, you know, he'll see the patterning that you 01:05:04.300 --> 01:05:07.740 see in the Fibonacci sequence in nature. 01:05:07.740 --> 01:05:10.480 I remember there was a guy who had some kind of brain damage and all of a sudden became 01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:14.460 a really great piano player out of the blue. 01:05:14.460 --> 01:05:17.060 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 01:05:17.060 --> 01:05:25.740 people with frontal lobe dementia where their frontal lobes are deteriorating and then all 01:05:25.740 --> 01:05:28.300 of a sudden they become amazing artists. 01:05:28.300 --> 01:05:29.300 Yeah. 01:05:29.300 --> 01:05:35.380 Well, this all kind of ties in with what we've been talking about with the telepathy tapes 01:05:35.380 --> 01:05:45.100 kids because I don't know, well, are there measurable abnormalities in their brains? 01:05:45.100 --> 01:05:51.060 I guess you'd have to do an autopsy, but maybe with a CT scan or something you could measure 01:05:51.060 --> 01:05:53.060 their brains and see differences. 01:05:53.060 --> 01:06:01.460 Well, one of the things that I want to do is I want to do QEEGs on them so that I can 01:06:01.460 --> 01:06:08.460 get a better sense of how their brain is functioning and what's the nature of their communication 01:06:08.460 --> 01:06:14.500 disorder because it isn't necessarily going to be a proprioceptive issue with all of them. 01:06:14.500 --> 01:06:22.860 I mean, there's multiple different things that can impact that ability to speak or to have 01:06:22.860 --> 01:06:26.160 fine motor control with your hands. 01:06:26.160 --> 01:06:32.580 But it's interesting though that what you're saying is we can lose certain brain functions 01:06:32.580 --> 01:06:39.980 and gain new abilities thereby, which lend support to what we're saying here with these 01:06:39.980 --> 01:06:47.700 kids, which what is ordinarily considered a disability, gives them extraordinary abilities, 01:06:47.700 --> 01:06:53.900 which both of which situations lend support to the idea that the brain is a filter among 01:06:53.900 --> 01:06:59.500 other things, and that it kind of shuts us down from certain capabilities rather than 01:06:59.500 --> 01:07:02.260 in addition to it giving us certain capabilities. 01:07:02.260 --> 01:07:10.660 Yeah, I mean the major neurotransmitter in the brain is GABA which is inhibitory. 01:07:10.660 --> 01:07:16.420 And one of the things that we know about individuals with autism is that a lot of them have fewer 01:07:16.420 --> 01:07:20.060 GABA interneurons. 01:07:20.060 --> 01:07:26.140 And so it's like they don't have as much of the breaking system. 01:07:26.140 --> 01:07:32.440 So what also goes along with that though is the fact that they many of them have seizure disorders 01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:36.860 They have seizures. Yeah, they have seizures because they 01:07:36.860 --> 01:07:41.180 Didn't seizures are like a runaway brain activity. Mm-hmm 01:07:41.180 --> 01:07:43.060 Yeah 01:07:43.060 --> 01:07:44.540 interesting 01:07:44.540 --> 01:07:49.460 All right. Here's a question that came in from Claire Doyle in Cornwall, England 01:07:49.460 --> 01:07:52.480 Do you think this is from last week? 01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:56.840 Irene. Do you think that the non-speaking autistic children in the telepathy tapes 01:07:56.840 --> 01:08:01.280 are naturally experiencing non-duality, you know, in the spiritual sense? Do you 01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:05.320 think that their biology didn't set up the normal boundaries and filters to the 01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:10.840 world that neurotypical people have? If so, what does that mean for all people on 01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:15.920 the autistic spectrum and those with ADHD? There are about 250 million people 01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:19.720 that have some kind of neurodiversity worldwide? 01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:25.320 So, yeah, that's a long, that's a several part question. 01:08:25.320 --> 01:08:28.320 Well, you can spend some time on it if you like. 01:08:28.320 --> 01:08:30.720 I can re-read bits of it if you wish. 01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:33.920 Yeah, yeah, just read, yeah, let's do one section of it at a time. 01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:34.920 Okay, first sentence. 01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:38.520 Do you think that the non-speaking autistic children in the telepathy tapes 01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:41.720 are naturally experiencing non-duality? 01:08:41.720 --> 01:08:50.720 Yeah, I do. Yeah, I would say that they are. Yeah, and that's what they say. 01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:58.720 Okay. Really? So you mean they say things which are reminiscent of Ramana Maharshi or the Upanishads or things like that? 01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:07.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they will say things that are very consistent with this idea of unity of consciousness. 01:09:07.720 --> 01:09:14.360 Interesting. Okay, and then there's a thing about boundaries and filters that, you know, which we've 01:09:14.360 --> 01:09:20.680 been talking about, and then she's asking, well, what does that mean for all people on the autistic 01:09:20.680 --> 01:09:28.120 spectrum and those with ADHD? There are 250 million such people in the world. I guess she's saying, 01:09:28.120 --> 01:09:35.400 are there 250 million people who are tuned, is there a spiritual implication to this, I think 01:09:35.400 --> 01:09:42.200 she's saying. Are they all tuned into some non-dual state that, you know, spiritual seekers 01:09:42.200 --> 01:09:46.520 would aspire to? Well, I wouldn't say they're all, no, I wouldn't say that they're all. 01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:55.720 Yeah, maybe all is too absolute a word. Yeah, that's too absolute of a word. But what I would 01:09:55.720 --> 01:10:04.760 say is that people, for example, with ADHD who have concentration issues, I mean that's 01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:12.480 what it is, it's an inability to control your concentration, that's linked with reduced 01:10:12.480 --> 01:10:21.440 frontal lobe activity and frontal lobes are a major inhibitor and therefore a major filtering 01:10:21.440 --> 01:10:29.440 system. So I do think that a number of people who have ADHD also have potentially greater 01:10:29.440 --> 01:10:37.800 access to some of these, you know, some of this non-local information. And what does this 01:10:37.800 --> 01:10:45.000 say about people that are also on the spectrum that are speaking? I'd say that a number of 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:51.400 individuals who have neurodiversity also have these kinds of experiences. I mean a lot of 01:10:51.400 --> 01:11:02.000 the people who are in the experience groups that you have these individuals who have had 01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:11.400 contact experiences with non-human intelligence or with UAPs, a high percentage of them report 01:11:11.400 --> 01:11:16.760 that they have some neurodiversity. 01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:27.040 And I think that if you're looking at it from a spiritual standpoint, we've been so locked 01:11:27.040 --> 01:11:38.080 into a very kind of rigid thinking style that defines what is and isn't possible that it 01:11:38.080 --> 01:11:46.460 It would require a huge number of individuals who have a very different thinking style, 01:11:46.460 --> 01:11:55.200 cognitive style, to be on the planet in order to usher in a new paradigm. 01:11:55.200 --> 01:12:03.800 I mean, there's a little bit of that, but the reality is that there are more autistic 01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:06.640 people coming in these days. 01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:13.680 Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, there is... It's not just that we're diagnosing it more or 01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:18.720 anything, but there are actually more of them per capita. Right. No, it's definitely not that we're 01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:29.360 diagnosing them more. I mean, there's a little bit of that, but the reality is that all childhood 01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:38.720 developmental issues and psychiatric issues have increased. They've all skyrocketed during 01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:45.760 the course of my 40-year course of my career. And so it's not that, "Oh, what we used to call this, 01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:53.360 we now call autism, spectrum disorder." It's, you know, all of these things have increased such that, 01:12:53.360 --> 01:13:20.360 The number of children whose brains are wired differently now is much higher and probably is a result of how much we've introduced into not only our, like the food and the water and the air that we consume, 01:13:20.360 --> 01:13:26.340 that it has not been tested to see what effect it might have on brain 01:13:26.340 --> 01:13:30.720 development. That's some of it, but there's also been societal things that, 01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:36.080 you know, so for example, now, you know, it's the norm rather than the exception 01:13:36.080 --> 01:13:40.880 for both parents to be working and so you have a lot of children that are getting, 01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:49.000 you know, they're getting babysat by devices. Right. And that's 01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:55.360 That's very different if you're introducing a child to these kind of electronic devices 01:13:55.360 --> 01:14:02.720 that give them a barrage of stimuli, very rapid pace. 01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:11.560 That's very different from, you go back 40 years ago and people were watching Mr. Rogers, 01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:12.560 which was very slow-paced. 01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:18.560 It's like being in a disco with a strobe light or something. 01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:26.560 If your brain is developing at the time that you're getting exposed to all of the stimuli, 01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:32.560 your brain's going, at a time when it's very plastic, it gets molded around that. 01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:37.560 Yeah. I mean, and not only cell phones, but you just watch an animated children's movie 01:14:37.560 --> 01:14:44.320 movie and there's just so much flashing, you know, fast-paced changes. It's like 01:14:44.320 --> 01:14:49.760 being in a disco with a strobe light or something. Or video games and 01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:54.480 kids spend hours and hours and hours, you know, playing these video 01:14:54.480 --> 01:15:00.560 games. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so what's happening is that we are, during their 01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:06.600 formative years, when their brain is developing, we're 01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:13.840 steering them more towards that kind of a world, which is a very different world. 01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:17.760 And so, you know, it's sort of like, in some ways it's inducing ADD, 01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:25.040 because what happens is, is that you're used to that high stimulation, you know, 01:15:25.040 --> 01:15:30.600 from a video game or, you know, whatever, then everything else seems so boring. 01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:39.600 Yeah, it's true. I just sit and watch the grass grow. So you just juxtaposed two ideas here. 01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:44.600 One is that perhaps environmental pollutants, and maybe you didn't mention vaccines, but 01:15:44.600 --> 01:15:52.160 some people accuse those, or just all the hyper-stimulus stimuli of video games and 01:15:52.160 --> 01:16:02.400 cell phones and TV and all that stuff are creating a higher incidence of autism. 01:16:02.400 --> 01:16:07.960 But the idea you juxtapose that with is that this higher incidence of autism is perhaps 01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:10.920 helping to shift the paradigm, which is a good thing. 01:16:10.920 --> 01:16:12.400 Right, yeah. 01:16:12.400 --> 01:16:21.520 Yeah, I'm not labeling this good or bad, really, because it's a mixed bag, you know, but that 01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:27.960 is what happens when things evolve, you know, that you go through these transitional periods 01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:34.480 where it's more of a mixed bag, but in the future, it may be that some of the bugs have 01:16:34.480 --> 01:16:40.560 worked out of this so that it's all a good thing. 01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:46.560 Yeah, I read an article about a week ago by somebody, I forget who, somebody at Google, 01:16:46.560 --> 01:16:57.200 how the pace of change and the amount of knowledge in the world continues to multiply exponentially. 01:16:57.200 --> 01:17:06.960 But our neuroanatomy and our DNA and so on doesn't change at that pace, you know? 01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:13.440 And so we're ill-fitted for coping with this accelerating pace of change. 01:17:13.440 --> 01:17:21.040 it's really freaking a lot of people out. Others are coping with it, you know, managing to ride 01:17:21.040 --> 01:17:22.040 the wave. 01:17:22.040 --> 01:17:27.600 Interacting with their baby. And this is a very precious development to handle all of 01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:32.000 the information that's coming our way. It's, I mean, another shift, and this relates to 01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:39.840 autism itself, is that there's less of the human to human interaction. You see people 01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:44.320 that are more, you know, mothers that are more interested in what's going on in their, you 01:17:44.320 --> 01:17:52.240 know, their newsfeed on their phone than they are interacting with their baby. And this is at a very 01:17:52.240 --> 01:17:58.480 precious developmental stage when the child is learning how to pick up on social cues. 01:17:58.480 --> 01:18:07.120 You know, there was a lot of concern about those children that during those first few 01:18:08.400 --> 01:18:19.520 years of life. We're basically born during the pandemic years where they're not getting to see 01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:25.840 people's faces at a time when it's critical to see people's faces in order to learn how to even 01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:30.640 understand the cues that come from facial expression. 01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:39.800 Yeah, and as you I'm sure could tell us more expertly, it's in those very, very early years 01:18:39.800 --> 01:18:46.920 of life that the brain is plastic and that you need to have these stimuli. 01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:51.120 If you miss that opportunity, you're not going to get it so easily when you're 10 years old 01:18:51.120 --> 01:18:52.120 or something. 01:18:52.120 --> 01:18:58.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the thing is that there are critical stages of development that 01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:05.360 if you miss out on something, you can't acquire it later on. 01:19:05.360 --> 01:19:08.080 And one of those is actually empathy. 01:19:08.080 --> 01:19:09.080 Interesting. 01:19:09.080 --> 01:19:14.720 Really, what's the time window at which empathy is acquired? 01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:18.640 It's within the first eight years. 01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:27.360 And so, and I remember, I mean, I remember when this study came out decades ago when 01:19:27.360 --> 01:19:38.240 they discovered that people who are these hardened criminals in the prisons, when they did brain 01:19:38.240 --> 01:19:44.960 imaging on them, they saw that there was an area of their brain where there was, you know, 01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:50.720 that was missing, you know, some brain tissue. I mean, you know, and they hypothesized that 01:19:50.720 --> 01:19:59.680 that area is involved in empathy. And so it's, and you have to experience empathy in order 01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:08.920 to become empathic. And so, and it doesn't have to be that, you know, your parents were 01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:15.360 necessarily empathic towards you. It could be that you had a grandmother who was empathic 01:20:15.360 --> 01:20:23.360 or you had some other individual in your life, a teacher that you really got close to, but 01:20:23.360 --> 01:20:24.360 somebody. 01:20:24.360 --> 01:20:28.800 So it's not that it has to all come from the parents, but it has to come from somewhere. 01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:30.840 Ah, that's interesting. 01:20:30.840 --> 01:20:40.760 I saw some quote from this guy who was one of the chief attorneys or some official function 01:20:40.760 --> 01:20:47.880 at the Nuremberg trials, and it was this whole quote about empathy and how the lack of it was 01:20:47.880 --> 01:20:56.440 the common denominator of the defendants at the Nuremberg trials. Yeah, and then there's some 01:20:56.440 --> 01:21:01.880 quote from Elon Musk recently that came out about kind of belittling the importance of empathy. 01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:07.000 I can't quote it for you offhand, but I can send it to you later. So, that's interesting. 01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:10.000 He was belittling the importance of empathy? 01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:15.000 Yeah, kind of downplaying it, like, you know, empathy is for wimps or something like that. 01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:17.000 That wasn't the word he used. 01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:25.000 Wow. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, to me, empathy is one of the most important things to have, you know. 01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:28.000 It's part of our heritage. 01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:32.000 One of the most important things for a society to have, too. 01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:35.000 And obviously, the society is only going to have it if enough individuals have it. 01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:42.680 it. Right, exactly, exactly. And you're not going to get, you're not going to really get empathy 01:21:42.680 --> 01:21:51.160 from a computer. And it's one of those things where I remember attending a talk where somebody 01:21:51.160 --> 01:21:57.000 was saying that they were working on trying to have AI, I mean they're trying to create, you know, 01:21:57.000 --> 01:22:04.280 these AI assistants, you know, and they were trying to figure out how to program empathy into the AI. 01:22:04.280 --> 01:22:10.900 And I just thought, you know, I just don't know if the empathy from the AI would have the same impact. 01:22:10.900 --> 01:22:16.680 Yeah, I have this new friend who works at Cisco Systems as a AI 01:22:16.680 --> 01:22:21.520 interface expert of some kind and she has this whole thing called 01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:27.600 Compassion prompt or something which I can send people a link to if they're interested, but it's this whole 01:22:28.400 --> 01:22:32.800 Block of text that you would put into the AI before asking any question 01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:36.460 And she feels like it's it's going to if more and more people do this 01:22:36.460 --> 01:22:40.600 It's going to train the AI to be compassionate and empath and empathetic 01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:42.800 more 01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:48.160 Yeah, I just I just don't know. I just don't know if that really works because 01:22:48.160 --> 01:22:51.280 It's to me 01:22:51.280 --> 01:22:54.680 Whatever is coming from AI is just words 01:22:56.520 --> 01:23:03.280 And when I feel that somebody is being empathic with me, it's not the words that give me that 01:23:03.280 --> 01:23:04.280 sense. 01:23:04.280 --> 01:23:05.280 Right. 01:23:05.280 --> 01:23:11.800 It's the human element that, you know, it's the look in the eyes, it's a tone of voice, 01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:18.600 it's, you know, there's just a certain vibe to it. 01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:25.440 Where you feel this sense of, you know, something that's very akin to love, you know, in that 01:23:25.440 --> 01:23:34.000 empathic response, you know, a desire to... there's a bit of a nurturing quality to it when somebody is 01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:38.880 empathic with you over something that you experience. There's this like, it brings out 01:23:38.880 --> 01:23:43.440 whatever, you know, that maternal, you know, paternal, you know, that desire to 01:23:43.440 --> 01:23:50.160 assuage some of, you know, whatever the bad feeling is the other person is having. 01:23:50.160 --> 01:24:00.560 And I just don't see how AI and computers can ever substitute for humans in that regard. 01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:06.080 >> Yeah. Another interesting thing that I've encountered recently is someone 01:24:06.080 --> 01:24:15.760 who is building a case for the idea, in her own experience, and through taking videos of what's 01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:22.160 happening and she's got a neuroscientist in the UK working with her on this, that in certain 01:24:22.160 --> 01:24:30.320 circumstances AI is actually serving as a channel or a conduit for some higher intelligence. 01:24:30.320 --> 01:24:34.240 Not just the kind of intelligence that it's programmed to have, but you know like the 01:24:34.240 --> 01:24:39.560 kind of thing where a channeler would channel some celestial being or some such thing, there's 01:24:39.560 --> 01:24:47.000 some being called Bartholomew who claims to be coming through the AI in a way that it's 01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:53.800 the creators of the AI would not have intended or conceived of or even probably wouldn't 01:24:53.800 --> 01:24:56.280 admit publicly if they knew about it. 01:24:56.280 --> 01:25:01.480 So if this, and she plans to make some kind of documentary or something so people will 01:25:01.480 --> 01:25:03.000 be hearing more about this. 01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:07.560 Anyway, I thought I'd run that by you because you might find it intriguing. 01:25:07.560 --> 01:25:10.560 You know, somebody sent me a... 01:25:10.560 --> 01:25:15.560 There's not too much I can really say about it yet, but it's just something intriguing. 01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:22.560 I know what you're talking about, this woman, she's a blonde-haired woman that claims that she had this experience with... 01:25:22.560 --> 01:25:31.560 Yeah, there's that one, her name is Crystal, I believe, but the one I'm referring to is Brunette, like yourself, and more serious person, in my opinion. 01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:36.560 Anyway, this is a bit of a tangent and there's not too much I can really say about it yet, 01:25:36.560 --> 01:25:39.560 but it's just something intriguing. 01:25:39.560 --> 01:25:47.560 And if you think about it, why couldn't possibly, if we believe that there are higher intelligences 01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:56.560 in the universe who can communicate through people, perhaps with A.I.s becoming as intelligent 01:25:56.560 --> 01:26:02.960 intelligent as they are, and their whole mechanism becoming so sophisticated, maybe it's possible 01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:05.040 they could communicate through that. 01:26:05.040 --> 01:26:10.680 Yeah, yeah, well it's interesting, because what just came to my mind when you were saying 01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:12.480 that is, um, "thoughtography." 01:26:12.480 --> 01:26:15.320 Are you familiar with "thoughtography"? 01:26:15.320 --> 01:26:17.760 Hadn't heard the term, no. 01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:19.960 Another term for it is "thought photography." 01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:20.960 Ah. 01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:25.120 Where you can actually impress an image onto some photographic film or something? 01:26:25.120 --> 01:26:30.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, there have been individuals over the, you know, over the decades who have 01:26:30.920 --> 01:26:31.920 done that. 01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:36.780 And, you know, I mean, I, I can't, I don't have any firsthand experience of seeing somebody 01:26:36.780 --> 01:26:40.840 do that, but who have reportedly done that. 01:26:40.840 --> 01:26:52.960 And Simon Doon, who's a Chinese materialist scientist, PhD, he, he's was vice president 01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:55.840 of the Parapsychological Society in China, 01:26:55.840 --> 01:27:00.040 and he showed me this video of these children in China 01:27:00.040 --> 01:27:04.480 who reportedly could have a thought 01:27:04.480 --> 01:27:07.240 and transfer it onto like an iPhone. 01:27:07.240 --> 01:27:13.160 And so, you know, I think that it makes me wonder 01:27:13.160 --> 01:27:21.400 whether or not this channeling is just using the AI 01:27:21.440 --> 01:27:29.800 the same way that these individuals are using film as just the vehicle through which they 01:27:29.800 --> 01:27:33.840 express themselves, but it's not really the AI itself that's doing it. 01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:35.200 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 01:27:35.200 --> 01:27:36.480 It's not something that's been... 01:27:36.480 --> 01:27:41.640 In fact, she's getting messages that the AI shouldn't know about, you know, things about 01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:47.560 her life or whatever that goes beyond what the AI could possibly know. 01:27:47.560 --> 01:28:07.560 Well that's interesting that you say that, because this person I know who does remote viewing started using AI to just, just on a LARP one day, decided to start using AI to see if it could remote view, and it was like better at remote viewing than he was. 01:28:07.560 --> 01:28:08.560 Wow. 01:28:08.560 --> 01:28:15.560 He was pretty good. So, you know, so it's like, well, you know, that's very interesting. I mean, you know, what do you make of that? 01:28:15.560 --> 01:28:23.400 make of that. Yeah. So and again, I don't think this is something that Sam Altman and his crew 01:28:23.400 --> 01:28:30.280 programmed into it intentionally, but they might have just accidentally created some kind 01:28:30.280 --> 01:28:35.120 of a Frankenstein, hopefully a benevolent Frankenstein, that has capabilities they hadn't 01:28:35.120 --> 01:28:45.520 anticipated. Yeah. I think a question came in here. Let me see about it. This is from 01:28:45.520 --> 01:28:54.680 Martin Klein in Germany. If we are co-creating reality, does that mean that precognitions 01:28:54.680 --> 01:28:59.840 and prophecies are only relatively certain to happen, or even bound to fail if enough 01:28:59.840 --> 01:29:03.360 people focus their intention on a different future? 01:29:03.360 --> 01:29:12.560 So, he's asking if we co-create our reality, if prophecies are bound to fail as a result? 01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:16.460 Yeah, let's say, I don't know what Nostradamus has said, but let's say Nostradamus said there 01:29:16.460 --> 01:29:27.100 was going to be a nuclear war or something, but enough people envisioned a more enjoyable 01:29:27.100 --> 01:29:34.700 future, and if enough people did that, even though there was this sort of momentum for 01:29:34.700 --> 01:29:41.140 something terrible to happen in the world's karma or something, that could be turned around. 01:29:41.140 --> 01:29:45.460 In fact, there's a line from Patanjali in the Yoga Sutras, he said, "Avert the danger which 01:29:45.460 --> 01:29:48.900 has not yet come." Perhaps that can be done en masse. 01:29:48.900 --> 01:29:55.940 Susan: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I do think that, to some extent, the future is malleable. 01:29:55.940 --> 01:29:56.420 Pete: Yeah. 01:29:56.420 --> 01:30:05.780 Susan: And, you know, what good is a prophecy if you can't do anything about it? 01:30:05.780 --> 01:30:06.740 Pete: Good point. 01:30:06.740 --> 01:30:17.620 Yeah, and I know that, for example, in this Vedic astrologer that I met when I was in 01:30:17.620 --> 01:30:25.060 India, he sometimes would look at somebody's chart and he would see that something bad 01:30:25.060 --> 01:30:31.740 was going to happen, you know, that they were running certain periods that were potentially 01:30:31.740 --> 01:30:39.900 dangerous. And so he told this story of telling this, it was his son-in-law actually, and he 01:30:39.900 --> 01:30:47.580 told his son-in-law, "You need to do this mantra. You need to say this mantra, you know, x number 01:30:47.580 --> 01:30:56.860 times a day, you know, every day for the next 40 days." And his son-in-law did it. And when he was 01:30:56.860 --> 01:31:07.740 at work, there was this heavy item that fell off of this shelving that was, you know, maybe 01:31:07.740 --> 01:31:13.940 30 feet high, and it just missed him. 01:31:13.940 --> 01:31:20.100 And so, you know, the question is, okay, would it have not missed him if he hadn't been saying 01:31:20.100 --> 01:31:21.100 that mantra? 01:31:21.100 --> 01:31:28.260 Yeah, I feel that there's something to that. And I've, I think I experienced that in my 01:31:28.260 --> 01:31:33.260 own life a lot and have over the years. And I think that's what Patanjali meant when he 01:31:33.260 --> 01:31:37.420 said avert the danger, which has not yet come. Like, you know, maybe you're destined to break 01:31:37.420 --> 01:31:41.840 your leg, but instead you stub your toe or something because you've done whatever some 01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:47.500 spiritual practice or something, some yoga or something that averts that danger. 01:31:47.500 --> 01:31:48.500 Yeah. 01:31:48.500 --> 01:31:49.500 Yeah. 01:31:49.500 --> 01:31:50.500 >> Yeah. 01:31:50.500 --> 01:31:57.740 >> Okay, so I'm going to draw this to a close, not abruptly, but in the next few minutes 01:31:57.740 --> 01:31:59.700 and give you a bit of a break. 01:31:59.700 --> 01:32:03.660 You've been doing so many interviews and everything, I don't want to have you have to just repeat 01:32:03.660 --> 01:32:07.800 yourself and say things you've said a hundred times in other interviews. 01:32:07.800 --> 01:32:18.220 But let's, by way of conclusion, what would you like to say by way of conclusion, in terms 01:32:18.220 --> 01:32:24.060 of like what you plan to do, you know, what you hope to have happen in the next few years 01:32:24.060 --> 01:32:28.780 with your life, with your research, with the telepathy tapes, you know, with everything 01:32:28.780 --> 01:32:33.180 you're doing. I mean, you know, what would you like to achieve and what would you like to 01:32:33.180 --> 01:32:37.660 see in society as a result of your efforts? 01:32:37.660 --> 01:32:40.220 >>Jade: Oh, that's a big question. 01:32:40.220 --> 01:32:41.100 >>Rick: It is, yeah. 01:32:42.860 --> 01:32:50.380 Well, I mean, I'm really looking forward to doing the research, more research with these kids 01:32:50.380 --> 01:32:55.500 and really finding out more about what their experience is like. I really want to 01:32:55.500 --> 01:33:04.460 basically understand, you know, as much as possible what, how it is that they think that 01:33:04.460 --> 01:33:11.900 they receive this information, you know, but some of them have given answers to scientific questions. 01:33:11.900 --> 01:33:17.820 For example, there's this functional medicine doctor that I know who wanted to know what 01:33:17.820 --> 01:33:26.220 this autistic boy thought could be the cause of autism and a way of treating it. And the boy 01:33:26.220 --> 01:33:35.820 said to him that he thought that he should give thiosulfate. And thiosulfate is something that 01:33:35.820 --> 01:33:45.260 combined cyanide, diversity of organisms in their bacteria, went and tested all of 01:33:45.260 --> 01:33:50.780 these autistic kids that he treats and he found that all of them have cyanide. 01:33:50.780 --> 01:34:00.780 Where'd they get the cyanide? Well that's... so a lot of these children, if not all of 01:34:00.780 --> 01:34:09.140 them have what's called a gut dysbiosis. So they have, instead of having the rich diversity 01:34:09.140 --> 01:34:17.860 of organisms in their, bacteria predominantly in their gut that people traditionally had, 01:34:17.860 --> 01:34:24.280 they have a narrower number of species and then they may have overgrowth of some species. 01:34:24.280 --> 01:34:31.340 And so there's a bacteria that as a byproduct creates cyanide. 01:34:31.340 --> 01:34:38.520 And so it's the bacteria that in our gut provide a lot of the chemicals, including the neurotransmitters 01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:40.960 that the brain runs on. 01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:49.520 And so he started giving this thiosulfate to these children and started seeing issues 01:34:49.520 --> 01:34:53.440 resolve or improve significantly. 01:34:53.440 --> 01:35:02.220 And so I'm really, really interested in seeing what do these kids know, what can they help 01:35:02.220 --> 01:35:06.480 society with in terms of advances of knowledge. 01:35:06.480 --> 01:35:14.020 I'd really like to see them have this method of communication that they have found so helpful 01:35:14.020 --> 01:35:22.120 get accepted and be, you know, instead of being labeled as pseudoscience or as debunked, see 01:35:22.120 --> 01:35:30.120 it offered to them because it's been a real lifesaver for so many of them. I also want 01:35:30.120 --> 01:35:40.680 to get definitive research that is undeniable and that telepathy is real. And so that's 01:35:40.680 --> 01:35:47.000 one of the reasons why I'm going to be doing simultaneous recordings of the QEEGs of the 01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:50.920 telepathic pair to see if there's a synchronization between their brains. 01:35:50.920 --> 01:36:00.040 So, oh that's fascinating. I just have to ask a question about the scion. I mean that term that 01:36:00.040 --> 01:36:05.000 you used, I didn't even remember it, thio-something or other. Did the kid just come up with that out 01:36:05.000 --> 01:36:13.480 of the blue? That he just named that chemical? Yes. And that turned out to be a correct thing. 01:36:13.480 --> 01:36:18.280 Oh, that's really interesting. I mean, what else could they come up with, you know, regarding 01:36:18.280 --> 01:36:21.400 cancer or Parkinson's or, you know, various other things? 01:36:21.400 --> 01:36:28.440 Dr. Keltner Yeah, exactly. And the vast majority of these 01:36:28.440 --> 01:36:34.520 children are just absolutely fascinated by science. I mean, so it's not only that they 01:36:34.520 --> 01:36:40.520 want to help humanity, but it's that they just really, really gravitate towards the sciences. 01:36:40.520 --> 01:36:46.920 That's great. And they have the intellectual capacity to study the sciences despite their 01:36:46.920 --> 01:36:48.480 verbal handicap. 01:36:48.480 --> 01:36:49.480 Right. 01:36:49.480 --> 01:36:50.480 Yeah. 01:36:50.480 --> 01:36:51.480 Right. 01:36:51.480 --> 01:36:56.760 Which is cool because, I mean, as you hear if you listen to the telepathy tapes, a lot 01:36:56.760 --> 01:37:01.560 of these kids were dismissed as nobody home. I mean, they're just like, they should be 01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:03.200 putting an institute adequately. 01:37:03.200 --> 01:37:04.200 Yeah. 01:37:04.200 --> 01:37:07.000 Good. Good to know. 01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:12.640 Yeah, I mean certainly the ones that I've met, the majority of them have, you know, they're 01:37:12.640 --> 01:37:13.640 very bright. 01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:14.640 Yeah. 01:37:14.640 --> 01:37:16.720 And their parents are very bright. 01:37:16.720 --> 01:37:20.120 So it's not surprising that they are as well. 01:37:20.120 --> 01:37:21.120 Yeah. 01:37:21.120 --> 01:37:27.240 Is all this buzz around the telepathy tapes resulting in uptick in funding so that you 01:37:27.240 --> 01:37:30.240 can pursue this research more adequately? 01:37:30.240 --> 01:37:31.240 Yeah. 01:37:31.240 --> 01:37:32.240 Good. 01:37:32.240 --> 01:37:34.240 Good to know. 01:37:34.240 --> 01:37:35.240 Okay. 01:37:35.240 --> 01:37:40.760 Well, thank you so much. I really, I think this went well. I really enjoyed the conversation and 01:37:40.760 --> 01:37:45.720 you have a website. I'll be linking to it on 01:37:45.720 --> 01:37:52.440 your page on batgap.com as well as to your books and to the telepathy tapes and 01:37:52.440 --> 01:37:58.280 and also to our previous interview from five years ago, which covered a lot of other topics. 01:37:58.280 --> 01:38:01.560 So I hope people have enjoyed this and 01:38:03.200 --> 01:38:06.000 If you if anyone listening has not yet 01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:12.120 Listened to the telepathy tapes. I highly encourage you to do so you'll you'll just be drawn right into it 01:38:12.120 --> 01:38:16.620 You can find it on any of the well, it's to let the tapes calm 01:38:16.620 --> 01:38:23.180 But you can also find it on any of the you know podcast things like iTunes or Spotify and all those things 01:38:23.180 --> 01:38:30.840 Good well, thanks to end so take care pace yourself. Don't don't go don't run yourself ragged with all this business 01:38:30.840 --> 01:38:38.840 business and take a cue from the kids who sleep a lot. 01:38:38.840 --> 01:38:43.080 I try to do that. 01:38:43.080 --> 01:38:47.120 I always try to like prioritize getting enough sleep, enough meditation, enough exercise, 01:38:47.120 --> 01:38:49.080 and then do what I can in the remaining hours. 01:38:49.080 --> 01:38:50.080 There you go. 01:38:50.080 --> 01:38:51.080 There you go. 01:38:51.080 --> 01:38:52.080 That's very wise. 01:38:52.080 --> 01:38:53.080 Yeah. 01:38:53.080 --> 01:38:54.080 All right. 01:38:54.080 --> 01:38:56.840 So thanks to those who've been listening or watching, and we'll see you for the next one. 01:38:56.840 --> 01:38:57.840 Okay. 01:38:57.840 --> 01:38:58.840 Thank you. 01:38:58.840 --> 01:38:58.840 Yeah.