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This is in many ways available to all of us and that this is becoming more and more prevalent

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and this is where we are all going to be going in this Aquarian age. So within this next 2000

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year period we are looking at telepathy, clairaudience, clairvoyance and clairsentience

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as being the norm.

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Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump.

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My name is Rick Archer.

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Buddha at the Gas Pump is an ongoing series of conversations with spiritually awakening

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people.

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My guest this week is Tanis Helliwell.

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Tanis has seen higher realms and spoken with masters, angels, and elementals since childhood,

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And by elementals we mean things like leprechauns, brownies, pixies, goblins, trolls, elves, tree

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devas, and more.

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She walks in many worlds.

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She has led tours in this world to sacred sites for two decades and was a management consultant

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working for over 30 years.

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And in 2000, she founded the International Institute for Transformation, specializing

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in spiritual transformation.

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A true mystic who has worked with masters in higher realms since childhood, her gift is

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assisting others to develop a soul-infused personal life in harmony with spiritual laws.

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Her knowledge and understanding of other worlds and spiritual realms can be found in some of

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her most popular books.

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I've read three of them in the past couple of weeks, including "The Dragon's Tale," "Hybrids,

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So You Think You Are Human," and "Good Morning, Henry, An In-Depth Talk with the Body Intelligence."

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So Tanis, I was thinking we could start by trying to lay a foundation, because some people

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are going to hear leprechauns, brownies, pixies, goblins, trolls, elves, and tree devas and

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think, "Oh, where?

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What happened to Rick?

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Did he go nuts?"

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So I'm going to ask you some questions that will enable you, enable us to put all this

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in context and perhaps make it easier for people to understand how such things could

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exist and why an understanding of them might be relevant to someone who aspires to self-realization,

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for instance.

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So maybe you could start by just explaining the multi-dimensional nature of the universe.

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Oh, wow!

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Do we want the one-line version or the two-hour version here?

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Somewhere in between.

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Okay.

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Most of us here are looking at this three-dimensional reality, but it is a hologram.

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Beings, enlightened beings from all over the world have always said we are a dream within

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a dream.

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This is a dream being dreamt by God.

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So what I see is, yes, here we are, but we know scientifically that we are 99.9% ether.

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But people don't see us as ether, Rick.

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we see ourselves as physical reality. So, in other words, we don't actually see reality

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anyway. We don't. So, in my way of looking at it, this is a kindergarten for all of us

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to learn how to become conscious creators. So, I don't want to put it down and underestimate

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its value. However, there are many different realms, and we are now moving to the astral

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realm, a realm of higher frequency.

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Pete: Free meaning humanity.

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Jodie: Humanity. Humanity and the earth and all beings on the earth, actually. But we

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are moving up now to a higher frequency, and in this other frequency, in this astral world,

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There are many, as Jesus said, "In my house there are many mansions."

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So there's the astral, elemental world, and that's just a little bit higher than the frequency

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we're in.

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And this is why so many people are interested in elementals, nature spirits by another name,

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and why they are even having breakthroughs and seeing elementals.

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You might see it out of the corner of your eye, just going quickly by you.

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You may hear a word, something like that.

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But there are other domains as well.

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And when I was preparing for this, and I probably haven't prepared as well as you have, but

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when I was preparing for this, I thought that I would read something.

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When I meditate, my personal way of meditating is self-realization fellowship and that was

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founded by Paramahansa Yogananda.

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And there is a lineage there.

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And his master was Sri Yukteswar.

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And after Sri Yukteswar died, physically died, he appeared to Paramahansa Yogananda.

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And this is in the autobiography of a yogi.

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And Yogananda was able to physically hold him for two hours and ask him, "What are you doing

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now?"

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And Sri Yukteswar said, and I'm going to read this, he said, "I'm in a higher astral universe."

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And he says, "The ordinary astral universe is peopled with millions of astral beings who

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who have come more or less recently from the earth and also with myriads of fairies, mermaids,

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fishes, animals, goblins, gnomes, demigods, and spirits, all residing in different astral

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planets in accordance with karmic qualifications.

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And when he said this, he said, "There are people who will need to know about this in

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the future.

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So write it in your book."

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So this seems to be my life work.

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For many years, I wrote about elementals, but I have seen other beings for a long, long

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time, ever since I was born, actually.

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It's almost as if in myself, it has unwrapped itself and that I started with elementals

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and then went on to some of these other beings who are also working with humanity.

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Nathaniel So, when you see elementals and have seen

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them throughout your life, is it like it would be for me seeing birds on the tree and squirrels

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on the ground and things like that?

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Are they that obvious, or is it somehow more ethereal or vague or almost imaginary in some

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respect?

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Well, I see it with my third eye.

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So it's helpful for me.

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It's like a radio station, and I just tune it to a different station.

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So right now I'm with you, but I can tune it to a different station.

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And it is extremely easy, just like someone turning a dial.

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Can you be on two stations at once?

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Could you be walking down the street or talking to me and seeing me or seeing the street and

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yet seeing subtle beings?

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Almost.

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Almost.

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For example, say there was a third person in our conversation here, and I'm having a conversation

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with you, but there's some important question that person is wanting to ask.

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I will pick up what that question is.

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So for me, it's not just seeing, it's also hearing.

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So different senses.

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Yes, it is.

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And I really believe that, although we're focusing on me currently, I believe that this

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is in many ways available to all of us, and that this is becoming more and more prevalent,

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and this is where we are all going to be going in this Aquarian age.

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So within this next 2,000-year period, we are looking at telepathy, clairaudience, clairvoyance,

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and clairsentience as being the norm.

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And of course, there have been people throughout history who are reputed to have had those capabilities.

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And many people wouldn't believe that they did, but many people would.

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And there are some scientists like Dean Radin and others who are trying to verify that people

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can have these abilities.

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And of course, there are near-death experiencers who see things down the hall or across the

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earth while they're under anesthesia, and then that's verified.

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there's Rupert Sheldrake, dogs that know when their owners are coming home, so even dogs

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have such abilities. This kind of stuff is in the histories and folklores and mythologies

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and everything of humanity all over the earth, and either everybody has the same imaginations

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about such things, or there's actually something going on that people have chronicled.

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Dr. Susan Hays: That's right, that's right. And now that we're a global community, we

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can actually examine how this is coming out everywhere. And I know you've been speaking

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with a lot of scientists, and scientists also are starting to cross over to where spirituality

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was. So, they're in this realm now where the two are meeting, and I think this is wonderful.

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I mean, as Einstein said, "Unless a person has a sense of awe, they're like a candle

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without a whip. So, we're moving into this place.

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Pete So, you actually made a point that alluded

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to the next question I was going to ask you, which is that you mentioned that all of humanity

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might be rising to a point where such capabilities become the norm, and you opened your book,

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The Dragon's Tale, with the question, "Well, why would somebody who was interested in self-realization

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even care about these things. And you went into a whole story about your stay with Prajnaparamita,

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who I consider a friend. I interviewed her about nine years ago. She has an ashram in

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France. She is a non-duality teacher. She doesn't teach the kind of things you talk about,

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but she invited you there to talk to her students about this kind of thing. So, how would you

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answer that question? How is all this stuff relevant to somebody whose primary motivation

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is self-realization or enlightenment, couldn't this stuff be a distraction to them?

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Well, isn't this funny because Prajnaparamita emailed me today.

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I've been meaning to email her and say, "Hi, I'm going to have this interview," but I didn't

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get around to it.

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I never mentioned to her I was having this interview with you because I didn't know that

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you knew her.

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So, you see, these are the kinds of coincidences, synchronicities, that allow people to know

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they're on the right track. If we listen to these and we act on them, it becomes confirming

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for us. So, I think the reason that Prajnaparamita, who is a friend as well, wanted me to go to

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her ashram to teach about the astral world is there's many ways through. And being a

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non-duality teacher, as you said, her goal is to help people with self-realization or

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enlightenment. And that is the path up, it's the direct path. But that path is not available

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to all of us. That path can be the Galahad path, if you like, in the story of the quest

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for the Holy Grail. I am a Percival person. I work with people in the dark night of the

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soul. I work with people, I mean, I'm a psychotherapist by training, so I work with people who are

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having spiritual breakthroughs, but they are not enlightened. They're starting to see things

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or having intuitions or their life is falling apart in the third-dimensional reality, and

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they're wanting assistance with this. So, I think that it's very important if we're still

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living in this world, this third-dimensional reality, and we're not enlightened, that we

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are grounded and that we are functioning. So, in order to do that, we need to be able to

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work our way through these various realms and still stay grounded and functioning and know

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how to make a Zoom call and pay our bills and drive our car. Otherwise, we have to, as Eckhart

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Tolle did, sit on a park bench in Vancouver for seven years, waiting until he could function.

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But there's no time for that now, Rick. We're going through this massive transformation,

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Quantum Leap currently. So, we who are here are pioneers to bridge the two worlds, the

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Piscean and the Aquarian. So, I'm not fully in the Aquarian. I'm a bridge. So, my talent,

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if you like, is to help people find the linkages as they go up through these various realms.

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Did that answer your question?

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Pete: Sure, but I have more.

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Jodie: Good!

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Pete: So, the word enlightenment, I always have to qualify it if I use it or anyone uses

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it, because it kind of implies an end point.

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And I don't think there is an end point for anybody.

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In fact, one of my favorite quotes is from St. Teresa of Avila, she said it appears that

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the Lord himself is on the journey.

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And so, if God is, then certainly Yogananda and Babaji and Prajnaparamita and you and

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I and everybody else are moving along up some endless spiritual spectrum, if you will.

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Dr. Anneke We are on the same page.

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I believe God is evolving as well and that we are part, our evolution is part of his evolution.

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And the more that we grow, the more he or she or it grows.

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Pete Yeah, that's well put.

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in fact, some would say, Vedanta would say, that there's nothing but God or Brahman. So,

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if we are evolving, then in some respect, God must be evolving.

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Susan: I am absolutely convinced of this same thing.

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Rick: We could play around with the word "enlightenment" for a minute. You were

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talking a minute ago about needing to remain grounded and integrated, regardless of how

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cosmically aware you become. Ram Dass said something about remembering your social security

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number when you're kind of exploring the cosmos or something like that. If I'm going to use the word,

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the way I like to define it is a holistic development in which all the various faculties,

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emotions, intellect, sensory refinement, and whatever other faculties we have are simultaneously

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developed. Ken Wilber talks about lines of development, and he talks about how the

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consciousness line can get way out of whack with some of the other lines. So, a person could seem

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to have highly evolved consciousness and yet be emotionally stunted and perhaps behaviorally

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abusive and so on. So, I kind of like that holistic, and if enlightenment is a holistic

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development, then at some point, it's going to include the subtle sensory capabilities that you

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talk about and write about?

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Dr. Anne-Marie: Well, this for me, what you're describing, to evolve all aspects of ourself

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simultaneously is what I think is the Percival path, and it's much more integrated. However,

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who knows what our destiny is? Some people, as you mentioned, could be enlightened,

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and I won't dispute that, but they may be emotionally very stunted.

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Pete: In which case, I don't want to use the word enlightenment. Let's not do that word.

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Susan: But let's just say that they have had a breakthrough in consciousness

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where they actually know, I like that word know, they actually know, so it's not a theoretical idea

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that this is an illusionary world. That they actually have a breakthrough in consciousness

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of knowing and living and being that. Right now, I'm not enlightened. Prajnaparamita says there's

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only the fittest fail between enlightenment and where I am, but that's very kind of her.

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But I'm not enlightened. But this idea for me of progressing through the steps is quite important,

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because this is just one incarnation we have. And even after we finish this incarnation,

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I believe we have to go through astral incarnations and then causal incarnations.

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And in the astral, we do need to work on our emotional state and make sure that we can

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neutralize negative emotions and move towards positive ones. And then in our causal state,

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we have to work on our thoughts that produce the positive or negative emotions that result in

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positive or negative actions. So, if we do our work here, where we're working both emotionally

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and mentally, then this hastens the amount of time we're going to stay in these astral or causal

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states because we are working on all levels simultaneously.

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Pete: Yeah, and wouldn't you agree that we may have many more human incarnations too,

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in addition to spending time in these subtler realms?

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Jodie: Oh, yes.

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Pete: Because you made it sound like, okay, right after this life, we're going to the astral and

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causal and we won't be coming back here again.

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Well, it depends on our evolution, doesn't it?

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And you know, as many people say, I don't know if you would subscribe, maybe, to the

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idea that possibly before we even get to the point, Rick, where we're having a conversation

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like this, we have had thousands of lifetimes worked up, you know, through our animal state.

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is also things that Yogananda, I'm sure, talked about, many others, Mayor Baba, he had this

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detailed long book about all the various stages of evolution one can go through before becoming

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human. And actually, I have a question about that. If you consider the number of microbes

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in a cubic centimeter of earth, there's probably thousands, if not millions of them. If those

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are actually little beings that are going to evolve up the scale over a long, long period

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of time, then it somehow seems that when you get to more evolved levels, there must be

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either a conglomeration of souls, if those beings have souls, because there are fewer

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of us than there are. I mean, there are probably, you know, 10,000 earthworms in my yard, but

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there's only two humans in this house. So, how do you account for the math involved if

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souls evolve up, and yet when we get to higher levels, there seem to be fewer of them?

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Well, one thing that occurs to me is that we're group souls, that there are group souls at

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lower levels of evolution.

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Like a beehive as a group soul.

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Yeah, we individualize.

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I see.

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So, at some point, there's more individualization that occurs, so that maybe at lower levels

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of evolution, there are more groups evolving.

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But then another part of me, because I'm kind of a both/and person rather than an either/or

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But another part of me thinks, "Hmm, collective unconscious."

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So, yes, you could say you and I are both individualized, but there are only so many patterns that humans

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go through, really.

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So many fears we have, so many vices we could have, so many positive emotions that we could

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have.

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patterns. So in the collective unconscious of all humanity, whether you're living in

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Africa or in North America, you're still all human. So there's this collective. And

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this collective to me is also a group soul. So that as we take responsibility

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for affecting our own lives in the most positive way we can, we talked about

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changing God and maybe God's evolving and maybe the whole collective unconscious of humanity

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is evolving at the same time.

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Pete Yeah, so what I hear you saying is that at

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every level, there can be group souls.

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I don't know, eagles have a kind of collective eagle consciousness or beehives, a collective

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consciousness and so on.

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And humans, although we are individual consciousnesses, we also are comprised of trillions of cells,

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each of which have their own little consciousness.

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So we, in a sense, are a collective.

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And even the microbiome, which isn't even human,

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there are more of those kinds of cells

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than there are human cells in us.

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So all in all, we're a collective.

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And then you're taking it out to broader levels

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to say that there's a collective Canadian soul

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and a collective American soul and so on,

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and a global soul.

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- Yeah, I think that's true.

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And I often talk about the archetypes

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that each of our countries works with.

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So, for example, you have the eagle, we have the beaver.

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(laughs)

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Almost every time. - Industrious.

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- I know, industrious, hardworking, sticks in its own little pod

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and makes a nice environment for others, but doesn't go very far away.

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And I think there's something that in the Canadian personality

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is very at home in this kind of small world.

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If Canadians wanna become famous, Rick, they leave Canada.

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Oh, I'm serious.

00:23:13.620 --> 00:23:14.500
I'm serious.

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- Like Joni Mitchell.

00:23:16.020 --> 00:23:17.840
- Yeah, well, I could go on.

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Neil Young and even Eckhart Tolle.

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You know, we could go on

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because we have something in our personality

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which it's so compromising that we almost are more comfortable with mediocre.

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And the positive side is that Canadians have a, I'm sure there are always exceptions, but

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they have a reputation for being nice, polite, and not in your face like your typical New

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Yorker.

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That's right, because we often do not stand up for ourselves.

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We compromise, and so that is a wonderful quality, but taken to its extreme, it isn't good.

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So when I think of the most wonderful world archetype we could have, it would be putting

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together sort of the American and the Canadian would mean, okay, we're assertive, but we

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wouldn't step on others.

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Pete: Yeah.

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So, the reason we're saying all this and the reason this is relevant is that we're

00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:28.360
saying that there is a collective consciousness to each area, each nation, which in itself

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is like a being, and it has a personality, and it is perhaps influenced by all the individual

00:24:35.840 --> 00:24:40.820
humans who make it up, but it's more than the collection, more than some of its parts.

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And why are we born in one country than another? You know, often people look at the fact of

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who is my mother, who is my father, and that this determines me.

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But I think what determines us also is the country we choose to be born in, that this

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affects our personality, and for good reason.

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Spirit doesn't have any accidents.

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It's got a plan that it has to mold us in a certain way.

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Nate And you just made a point that my guest last

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week also made, which is that we choose to be born to a particular set of parents in a

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particular set of circumstances, which some people would, like, scratch their heads at,

00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:22.520
"Why would I have chosen this?"

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(Laughter)

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>> Yeah, I always say you could call it a challenge or you could call it an opportunity.

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>> Yeah.

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Okay, good.

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So let's keep going.

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What we've covered so far is that there are all these higher realms, all these strata of

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creation that most humans are not aware of, but there are beings in all these levels which

00:25:46.800 --> 00:25:51.840
may or may not be aware of us. They could just be locked into their own strata, right? Their

00:25:51.840 --> 00:25:57.000
own dimension and not interact with humans. Others might interact. Tell me if you agree

00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:05.000
with that and let's elaborate on why this is significant, why it's important to understand

00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:10.480
what practical or spiritual value does it have for us to consider it.

00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:16.620
Yeah, that's a very interesting question and you've asked it a few times.

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This idea of, as Jesus said, many mansions and that some of them are much higher frequencies

00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:31.300
than ours, these various worlds, such as the dragon world, it's a much higher frequency

00:26:31.300 --> 00:26:33.340
than our earth world.

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So why would they want to interact with humans?

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most of them would not. It might be more like, you know, a certain mission that one would

00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:51.960
take on if you were a dragon, to come and want to work on lower, heavier frequencies

00:26:51.960 --> 00:27:01.120
with the poor humans to help with their evolution. So, that would be my argument in that case.

00:27:01.120 --> 00:27:09.480
The other is, my brother just died recently, and he was a born-again Christian and believed

00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:11.620
very strongly in Jesus.

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And I believe in Jesus, of course, myself.

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Jesus the Christ.

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He would not say "the Christ."

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He would not believe there were other Christed beings.

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He would just believe Jesus was the only one.

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So I have no doubt my brother has gone to a heaven, an astral realm, which is a Christian

00:27:34.980 --> 00:27:43.400
astral realm where he will be comfortable with others that have his particular mindset.

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And when I die, I don't think that is the one I'm going to go to.

00:27:49.040 --> 00:27:54.040
I'm going to go to a broader astral universe.

00:27:54.040 --> 00:27:58.840
Now maybe I'm going to get visiting privileges with this other one.

00:27:58.840 --> 00:28:00.800
It's possible.

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But it all depends on our belief system and what we are thinking about.

00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:12.120
For example, Tibetans in the Book of the Dead, they talk about what you're thinking about

00:28:12.120 --> 00:28:15.100
when you die is the realm you go to.

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And that's what I'm saying, because that's where our frequency is.

00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:22.680
That's where our thoughts are.

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So that's where we will normally just go to.

00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:30.480
Yeah, I've heard other people say this too, like there's some kind of departure lounge

00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:36.240
which is designed for you, you know, to fit with your preconceptions of what might happen

00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:37.280
after you die.

00:28:37.280 --> 00:28:41.800
So you'll be comfortable, you won't be shocked by the transition, find yourself hanging out

00:28:41.800 --> 00:28:46.120
with a bunch of Hare Krishnas all of a sudden or something.

00:28:46.120 --> 00:28:54.680
also say that after that initial transitional phase, then we graduate to a more universal

00:28:54.680 --> 00:29:01.000
stage that many people, who's that guy who wrote Life Between Lives, you know that psychologist

00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:02.000
guy?

00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:03.000
- Thomas Fernie.

00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:09.200
- No, anyway, it'll come to me. He was a hypnotist and he was hypnotizing people and I think at

00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:14.280
some point he was doing past life hypnosis and stuff, and he began to find that people

00:29:14.280 --> 00:29:20.120
were going to between lives. So, he began to specialize in that. Yeah, Michael Newton.

00:29:20.120 --> 00:29:26.080
And so, he began to specialize in that, hypnotizing people to go to the between life phase, and

00:29:26.080 --> 00:29:32.800
he did hundreds of them, and he found a remarkable consistency between what they all reported

00:29:32.800 --> 00:29:36.640
and what they experienced, what the setup is, who you meet, and then how you prepare

00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:39.960
for your next life. It's called "Life Between Lives" by Michael Newton.

00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:43.480
I know another one by Thomas Verney actually.

00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:45.480
Yeah, similar idea maybe.

00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:53.200
Yeah, I think it all has to do with frequencies and that who we are here and what our main

00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:57.800
resting frequency is, is where we're going to go.

00:29:57.800 --> 00:30:04.720
Now there can be variety of all the different frequencies that are comfortable for us in

00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:13.160
that in between time. But it's unlikely that if we're a murderer here, when we're between

00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:16.040
lives, all of a sudden, we're going to be a saint.

00:30:16.040 --> 00:30:18.160
Pete: Might have some stuff to work out.

00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.200
Susan: Yes. So, I think it's more like that.

00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:25.920
Pete: As we're having this discussion, and I've had many such discussions, both on

00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:31.720
BatGap and in my life in general, I always think like, okay, how do we really know this?

00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:36.600
acquired this belief. I haven't personally experienced any of this, maybe you have in

00:30:36.600 --> 00:30:43.560
some third eye way, but somehow it just feels intuitively right to me. And maybe it's because

00:30:43.560 --> 00:30:48.360
I've read so many books and talked to so many people, but there seems to be a rather common

00:30:48.360 --> 00:30:53.880
agreement about what we're talking about here, at least within a certain type of person.

00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:59.080
So, it's just interesting to consider, you know, how do we know what we know? Have we all just made

00:30:59.080 --> 00:31:04.060
up a nice fantasy that makes us feel good, or are we all intuiting some kind of more

00:31:04.060 --> 00:31:05.400
universal reality?

00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:09.240
Dr. Debra Hixson Yeah, and when you first started doing this,

00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.880
Rick, I mean, how many years now have you been doing Buddha at the Gas Pump?

00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:15.040
Rick Well, I've been doing this for 15 years,

00:31:15.040 --> 00:31:19.360
but I've been meditating since I was 18 and dwelling on such topics.

00:31:19.360 --> 00:31:20.840
Dr. Debra Hixson Right.

00:31:20.840 --> 00:31:30.080
So you have this well-developed inquiring mind and incredible curiosity, and you just interview

00:31:30.080 --> 00:31:37.200
people from all different walks of life who are asking similar questions and coming up

00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:42.500
with different pieces of information, and you're putting all these pieces together in like

00:31:42.500 --> 00:31:44.080
this pie.

00:31:44.080 --> 00:31:52.300
And this is wonderful to do that, and the more pieces you get to it, the more that substantiates

00:31:52.300 --> 00:31:58.420
or reinforces your belief in the rightness of this.

00:31:58.420 --> 00:32:04.620
But underneath it all, you have an intuitive sense of this being right.

00:32:04.620 --> 00:32:11.500
So you've been going fact-finding for all these years, but underneath is your intuition.

00:32:11.500 --> 00:32:16.460
I like something that Aldous Huxley said, he said that the greatest innovation of the scientific

00:32:16.460 --> 00:32:21.980
revolution was the scientific method itself and the development of the idea of the working

00:32:21.980 --> 00:32:23.620
hypothesis.

00:32:23.620 --> 00:32:27.820
So to me, everything is a working hypothesis, you know, all the stuff that you say, all

00:32:27.820 --> 00:32:31.040
the stuff that anybody says, I think, "Well, interesting hypothesis.

00:32:31.040 --> 00:32:32.340
Now let's explore it.

00:32:32.340 --> 00:32:34.740
What kind of evidence can we find for it?"

00:32:34.740 --> 00:32:38.260
Oprah Winfrey once asked Eckhart Tolle, "What do you believe?"

00:32:38.260 --> 00:32:43.180
he said, "Nothing in particular," because belief is kind of an irrelevant word.

00:32:43.180 --> 00:32:46.900
We're talking about experiential verification of these things.

00:32:46.900 --> 00:32:54.620
Susan: Yeah, and because I was born seeing and hearing what other people were thinking

00:32:54.620 --> 00:33:00.220
or seeing these other things, I've had to come at it a different way.

00:33:00.220 --> 00:33:05.220
I've had to come at it, because I kept all this secret for a long time.

00:33:05.220 --> 00:33:11.500
I'm talking about decades and decades of keeping these things secret and functioning in the

00:33:11.500 --> 00:33:16.460
real world as like a management consultant or a psychotherapist.

00:33:16.460 --> 00:33:25.960
So I've come at it from looking for others and other facts to substantiate what is happening

00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:27.180
to me.

00:33:27.180 --> 00:33:28.820
Do other people see it?

00:33:28.820 --> 00:33:29.820
And who are they?

00:33:29.820 --> 00:33:31.740
And you know, how did they get there?

00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:32.740
And that kind of thing.

00:33:32.740 --> 00:33:35.460
Yeah, do you know that guy from Fyndhorn?

00:33:35.460 --> 00:33:36.460
What's his name?

00:33:36.460 --> 00:33:37.460
I've interviewed him.

00:33:37.460 --> 00:33:40.020
It's not coming to me, but he's been seeing this stuff all of his life.

00:33:40.020 --> 00:33:42.060
And of course, a lot of people have.

00:33:42.060 --> 00:33:43.660
Yes, they have.

00:33:43.660 --> 00:33:48.620
And it doesn't mean they've talked about it all their lives, because there can also be

00:33:48.620 --> 00:33:57.140
so many traumas that we've carried from other lives about where we're killed for having

00:33:57.140 --> 00:34:01.340
these particular things or practicing it or talking about it.

00:34:01.340 --> 00:34:04.940
You were burned as a witch like 500 years ago, if you talk about this stuff.

00:34:04.940 --> 00:34:11.660
Yeah, absolutely. And my mother, my mother actually, were Irish, and my mother had these

00:34:11.660 --> 00:34:19.340
kinds of things. But I grew up in a hardware store, very practical, very concrete. And my mother never

00:34:19.340 --> 00:34:25.420
talked about any of this. And yet I would witness like a customer coming in and she would say,

00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:29.020
"Oh, you want a foil roasting pad?"

00:34:29.020 --> 00:34:32.540
And the customer would say, "Well, how did you know?"

00:34:32.540 --> 00:34:39.820
And I'd see my mother backtrack and say, "Oh, I was dusting them. I must have had it on my mind."

00:34:39.820 --> 00:34:40.320
Interesting.

00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:42.380
And she'd cover her tracks.

00:34:42.380 --> 00:34:45.740
David Spangler, that's the guy I was just thinking of.

00:34:45.740 --> 00:34:48.060
Laurian, the Laurian Foundation.

00:34:48.060 --> 00:34:55.180
Right. Yeah. So it's kind of, coming back to your earlier point, we'll evolve as a society.

00:34:55.180 --> 00:34:59.740
and you said 2000 years, hopefully a lot of it will be a lot sooner than 2000 years,

00:34:59.740 --> 00:35:06.460
will evolve into society to the point where this kind of thing becomes the norm. And it's

00:35:06.460 --> 00:35:11.100
interesting to consider how quickly norms can change. I mean, if you think of what things were

00:35:11.100 --> 00:35:16.700
like in the 1850s, for instance, and what we understood to be possible compared with what we

00:35:16.700 --> 00:35:22.620
now take for granted with our airplanes and cell phones and moon landings and all the other things,

00:35:22.620 --> 00:35:25.820
Norms can change dramatically, and people just get accustomed to them.

00:35:25.820 --> 00:35:33.420
Susan: Yeah. I think that truth evolves. If you think of what you believed when you were 20 and

00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:40.860
what you believe now, and yet we're the same person, but our truth evolves as we become more

00:35:40.860 --> 00:35:49.340
conscious. And I think this is why Jesus, for example, he spoke in parables, and that allowed

00:35:49.340 --> 00:35:58.220
people at one level to hear one story and it worked for them. And for very wise people,

00:35:58.220 --> 00:36:05.500
they heard quite a different story being told. So how can we do that? Be able to speak on many

00:36:05.500 --> 00:36:14.460
levels so that it makes sense to, I think that's the trick, to be able to do that. So we stay in

00:36:14.460 --> 00:36:21.260
the world, we're functioning, we can talk at so many levels that people can hear it in different ways.

00:36:21.260 --> 00:36:23.820
Pete Yeah, that's good. There's an Indian saying

00:36:23.820 --> 00:36:29.660
that when the mangoes get ripe, the branches bend down so people can easily pick them.

00:36:29.660 --> 00:36:34.620
Kathy That's good. That's good. Yeah. Or I remember

00:36:34.620 --> 00:36:42.620
the Dalai Lama, one of the things he said, he said, "If I had been not born the Dalai Lama," he said,

00:36:42.620 --> 00:36:49.980
I would have been an engineer. I love tinkering with things. And he always liked to minimize

00:36:49.980 --> 00:36:59.500
his gifts and his status to bring himself down more to everyday level to be able to talk to people.

00:36:59.500 --> 00:37:00.140
What a gift.

00:37:00.140 --> 00:37:03.340
Pete Yeah. Somebody asked him, well, what if science

00:37:03.340 --> 00:37:09.420
should conclusively prove that this or that aspect of the Buddhist teaching is invalid? And he said,

00:37:09.420 --> 00:37:15.180
then we should change the teaching. I'm kind of reminded of the 100th monkey story, although I

00:37:15.180 --> 00:37:20.060
don't know if that's a true story, but how, you know, the monkeys started washing their coconuts

00:37:20.060 --> 00:37:25.580
in a certain way and then monkeys on other islands started doing the same thing because the idea was

00:37:25.580 --> 00:37:31.020
enlivened in the collective consciousness of monkeys. So, I'm thinking about, you know,

00:37:31.020 --> 00:37:34.540
the kinds of things that you and I are talking about, and we're going to get into more details

00:37:34.540 --> 00:37:41.660
in this conversation and about how if one person enlivens this, wakes up to it, it propagates

00:37:41.660 --> 00:37:47.820
in collective consciousness and it increases the likelihood or ease with which other people

00:37:47.820 --> 00:37:55.260
can begin to develop the same things. In fact, I think it was Darwin when he came out with his

00:37:55.260 --> 00:38:01.100
theory on the evolution of species, somebody else actually came up with the same thing

00:38:01.660 --> 00:38:05.980
almost at the same time, and somehow Darwin got the credit. But very often that'll happen,

00:38:05.980 --> 00:38:11.820
that certain ideas will just pop up simultaneously or in close succession in various parts of the

00:38:11.820 --> 00:38:15.500
world because they're ready to pop in collective consciousness.

00:38:15.500 --> 00:38:24.540
- I agree, and I think everything that we say or do is recorded in the ethers. And some people think,

00:38:24.540 --> 00:38:29.020
"Oh, I haven't done anything with my life. I haven't been very successful."

00:38:29.020 --> 00:38:34.820
and you're living is a precious opportunity. It's a rare opportunity.

00:38:34.820 --> 00:38:40.660
Every single thing in every life matters that you know everything is being

00:38:40.660 --> 00:38:47.700
recorded and we cannot evaluate the success of our life based on this one

00:38:47.700 --> 00:38:53.860
dimension right down here. We can't evaluate it. That's true and I would just

00:38:53.860 --> 00:39:01.000
Just add that life, no matter what you're living, is a precious opportunity.

00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:05.700
It's a rare opportunity, some would say, to get the chance to be human.

00:39:05.700 --> 00:39:12.100
And we can always make great progress, even if we've screwed up a lot for quite a while.

00:39:12.100 --> 00:39:16.740
I've interviewed people who were drug addicts and things, and then they had a turnaround,

00:39:16.740 --> 00:39:21.140
and actually the experience they had as a drug addict enabled them to help people in

00:39:21.140 --> 00:39:23.140
waves they wouldn't have been able to otherwise.

00:39:23.140 --> 00:39:24.140
Yeah, absolutely.

00:39:24.140 --> 00:39:32.020
I mean, some people go, you know, resist, resist, resist, jump.

00:39:32.020 --> 00:39:38.580
And other people go kind of step by step by step by step along and is there any right

00:39:38.580 --> 00:39:39.580
way?

00:39:39.580 --> 00:39:40.580
I don't think so.

00:39:40.580 --> 00:39:41.580
Yeah.

00:39:41.580 --> 00:39:44.900
Another thing I've heard is that, you know, I don't know whether people got this from

00:39:44.900 --> 00:39:50.940
a near-death experience or how they remembered it, but in their life review, they were told

00:39:50.940 --> 00:39:56.240
that some little act of kindness they had done 30 years ago or something was so significant

00:39:56.240 --> 00:39:59.920
and it had such a ripple effect, and they were really kind of given a nice pat on the

00:39:59.920 --> 00:40:04.820
back for that little thing that they had totally forgotten about. So, you never know.

00:40:04.820 --> 00:40:08.160
Jill Yeah, we don't know. So, all we can do is

00:40:08.160 --> 00:40:09.660
every day we do our best.

00:40:09.660 --> 00:40:12.620
Rick Okay, good. So, let's get more into the meat

00:40:12.620 --> 00:40:17.700
of what you write about and talk about and everything. The three books I've read, and

00:40:17.700 --> 00:40:21.700
written several other books, what would you like to tackle first?

00:40:21.700 --> 00:40:25.300
Susan: You know, Rick, I kind of have no preferences.

00:40:25.300 --> 00:40:31.140
Rick: Okay, let's start with the elementals thing. So, in one of your books, "Hybrids,"

00:40:31.140 --> 00:40:35.460
so you think you're human, you talk about how many humans, and maybe you can tell us

00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:41.760
what percentage of humans, are actually a hybrid between human and one of these subtle

00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:46.340
beings that we've been talking about, such as a leprechaun or a brownie or something

00:40:46.340 --> 00:40:51.940
like that. And it doesn't mean that these subtle beings bred with humans. It's more like the

00:40:51.940 --> 00:40:56.540
emerging of souls or something. What's the basic idea here?

00:40:56.540 --> 00:41:04.240
Susan: Okay, so I'll go back a wee bit and talk about when I was a practicing psychotherapist,

00:41:04.240 --> 00:41:13.060
so we're going back a good 30 years. And I had had my experience in Ireland where I had

00:41:13.060 --> 00:41:19.620
gone to a haunted cottage in order to become enlightened, and it was haunted by a leprechaun

00:41:19.620 --> 00:41:26.780
family. And this leprechaun, by the name of Lloyd, wanted me to write a book about that

00:41:26.780 --> 00:41:30.660
ten years later, which became Summer with Leprechauns, ten years later.

00:41:30.660 --> 00:41:34.820
Rick: Let me just interrupt you. So you got to this cottage. Did you see little leprechauns

00:41:34.820 --> 00:41:38.980
with curled up shoes and whatnot? I mean, how did you know it was haunted by leprechauns?

00:41:38.980 --> 00:41:40.980
Well, because I see things.

00:41:40.980 --> 00:41:42.980
So they were pretty obvious to you?

00:41:42.980 --> 00:41:44.980
Yeah, it was pretty obvious to me.

00:41:44.980 --> 00:41:49.980
There was this male leprechaun, a female leprechaun, and two children leprechauns.

00:41:49.980 --> 00:41:57.980
And I am in this cottage, you know, and I've rented it sight unseen on the far west coast of Ireland, on Ackle Island.

00:41:57.980 --> 00:42:02.980
And I am there to become enlightened and to meditate.

00:42:02.980 --> 00:42:05.980
So, obviously, my summer changed.

00:42:05.980 --> 00:42:13.760
And this leprechaun, Lloyd, told me all about elementals and how important they were and

00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:17.880
how they build everything in the earth, you know, everything.

00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:21.120
Everything there is a plan and elementals build it.

00:42:21.120 --> 00:42:28.040
So he said, "In 10 years, we want you to write this book about nature spirits and not

00:42:28.040 --> 00:42:32.560
before because right now people are even having difficulty believing in angels."

00:42:32.560 --> 00:42:39.260
So we've got to get people believing in angels before they're ready to believe in elementals.

00:42:39.260 --> 00:42:41.920
So anyway, he's been in my life all this time.

00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:43.200
What does he look like?

00:42:43.200 --> 00:42:44.200
Was he green?

00:42:44.200 --> 00:42:48.280
If you got a good artist to work for you, could he make a picture of him if you could describe

00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:49.280
him?

00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:52.800
To me, he looks similar to a human.

00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:54.200
He's large for a leprechaun.

00:42:54.200 --> 00:42:55.880
He comes up to about here on me.

00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:56.880
Your shoulder.

00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:57.880
Okay.

00:42:57.880 --> 00:42:58.880
And I'm not that tall.

00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:00.640
I'm only 5'2", so that gives you an idea.

00:43:00.640 --> 00:43:02.000
So he's 4' something.

00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.760
>> Yeah, and he's a bit chubby.

00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:06.920
He is middle-aged.

00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:12.080
Elementals live longer than we do, so he's actually over 100 years old, but he only looks

00:43:12.080 --> 00:43:14.240
middle-aged.

00:43:14.240 --> 00:43:18.400
And he wanted to work with me.

00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:23.680
>> And so when you see him, when you saw him, or even you still do see him, is it like kind

00:43:23.680 --> 00:43:28.720
of a ethereal form that you can see through, or does he look as solid as if there's a little

00:43:28.720 --> 00:43:30.200
guy in a leprechaun suit?

00:43:30.200 --> 00:43:37.280
So, it's as I said earlier, I can look through this eye or I can look through these eyes.

00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:43.660
So if I'm looking through my third eye, and sometimes I can shut my eyes and do it, sometimes

00:43:43.660 --> 00:43:49.120
I don't have to do it, and then I see and I hear.

00:43:49.120 --> 00:43:57.440
We have more than two eyes, we have a clairvoyance, we have more than two ears, we have also clairaudience,

00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:04.820
So we have more ears and we've got in our hearts another way of knowing if people are nice

00:44:04.820 --> 00:44:07.500
or people are really not so great.

00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:11.660
You know, we have another way of knowing it in our heart.

00:44:11.660 --> 00:44:17.260
So these senses have always been quite open for me.

00:44:17.260 --> 00:44:22.580
And I'm only saying that I see Lloyd in a human-like way.

00:44:22.580 --> 00:44:30.660
Now in his realm, mostly when I go to the elemental realm, they all look semi-human, although

00:44:30.660 --> 00:44:33.580
they all have idiosyncrasies.

00:44:33.580 --> 00:44:39.560
So I became well aware of all these different elementals, and we could talk about maybe

00:44:39.560 --> 00:44:48.700
ten different kinds of elementals, brownies and pixies and goblins and trolls and elves,

00:44:48.700 --> 00:44:55.540
how each one of these kinds of elementals has a particular function in the elemental world.

00:44:55.540 --> 00:44:58.300
Pete: Do they all cohabit the same realm?

00:44:58.300 --> 00:44:59.300
Susanne: Yeah.

00:44:59.300 --> 00:45:02.940
Pete: And mingle with each other? Or, so they don't each have their own little realm?

00:45:02.940 --> 00:45:06.860
Susanne: No. They cohabit in their elemental world, they cohabit.

00:45:06.860 --> 00:45:07.860
Pete: Okay.

00:45:07.860 --> 00:45:15.940
Susanne: But they are more like in various castes. So, a leprechaun would know what a

00:45:15.940 --> 00:45:20.860
a leprechaun was going to do and would marry a leprechaun kind of thing.

00:45:20.860 --> 00:45:24.240
So they've all got their own unique functions.

00:45:24.240 --> 00:45:28.940
So I became aware of this and wrote a couple of books on it.

00:45:28.940 --> 00:45:31.740
Meanwhile, I'm a psychotherapist.

00:45:31.740 --> 00:45:42.420
Now people started to come to me and I realized, "Oh my, these people are not fully human.

00:45:42.420 --> 00:45:47.800
They have partial elemental ancestry.

00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:57.340
And I started to notice unique kinds of qualities that they would have as elementals.

00:45:57.340 --> 00:46:06.420
And I didn't have a card saying specializing in elemental psychotherapy, but when I started

00:46:06.420 --> 00:46:13.820
working with them and broached this topic, this was of interest to them. So, what happened

00:46:13.820 --> 00:46:22.140
was, after a while, I started to notice that I was attracting in my workshops, just in my

00:46:22.140 --> 00:46:28.460
life, because I do a lot of different teaching in different places, that I was attracting

00:46:28.460 --> 00:46:37.740
people who had various hybrid ancestry. So, I started teaching a workshop called "Hybrids

00:46:37.740 --> 00:46:38.740
So You Think You're Human."

00:46:38.740 --> 00:46:41.660
Rick: And so, you knew this or suspected it because...

00:46:41.660 --> 00:46:42.660
Susan: I knew it.

00:46:42.660 --> 00:46:47.860
Rick: ...you were so familiar with these elementals and what their characteristics, and you saw

00:46:47.860 --> 00:46:50.780
that various people embodied those characteristics.

00:46:50.780 --> 00:46:58.620
>> Yeah, absolutely. And as I said to you earlier, I see things and I know things, and then I

00:46:58.620 --> 00:46:59.620
look for proof.

00:46:59.620 --> 00:47:00.620
>> Right.

00:47:00.620 --> 00:47:05.100
>> So then some people who were studying with me said, "You've got to write a book about

00:47:05.100 --> 00:47:12.340
this." So I said, "Okay." So then I started looking for myths around the world that talked

00:47:12.340 --> 00:47:18.620
about dragons, for example, or myths around the world that talked about dolphins being

00:47:18.620 --> 00:47:23.260
people of the sea and the consciousness they had, or myths around the world talking about

00:47:23.260 --> 00:47:25.720
mermaids and merpeople.

00:47:25.720 --> 00:47:28.580
And these cultures had nothing to do with each other.

00:47:28.580 --> 00:47:30.580
Pete: Yeah, no way of communicating with each other.

00:47:30.580 --> 00:47:31.580
Susan: No.

00:47:31.580 --> 00:47:36.020
They had evolved by themselves about these particular stories.

00:47:36.020 --> 00:47:45.380
So, that was for me gathering proof to support that there really were different evolutions

00:47:45.380 --> 00:47:53.700
evolving on the Earth, interacting with humanity, and interbreeding with humanity. And now, don't

00:47:53.700 --> 00:47:56.660
ask me, Rick, how that happens, right? Rick:

00:47:56.660 --> 00:48:01.620
I was just going to ask, was there actual sexual intercourse or was it some kind of soul merging?

00:48:01.620 --> 00:48:10.500
Susan: No, no, no. Soul, soul. As I understand it, on higher levels, if you're a dragon hybrid,

00:48:10.500 --> 00:48:16.580
for example, and you're wanting to come onto the earth to help humanity, then you approach

00:48:16.580 --> 00:48:24.180
the beings who oversee the evolution of humanity, you approach the beings who oversee the evolution

00:48:24.180 --> 00:48:33.460
of dragons, and you see if this is a fit. And then you get the appropriate soul and physical

00:48:33.460 --> 00:48:40.840
characteristics that would help you. This has almost been 30 years that I have seen and

00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:47.960
worked with that, but I only wrote the book, I think, in 2015, after I had checked it,

00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:55.360
rechecked it, and rechecked it as many ways that I could, because I believe if we put out

00:48:55.360 --> 00:49:04.720
false information into the world, into the ethers, that we are creating a karmic mistake,

00:49:04.720 --> 00:49:13.440
a really bad error. And being a cautious Canadian, I usually sit on things for decades before

00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:23.080
I put them out. And then about the same time that this happened is when I read what Sri

00:49:23.080 --> 00:49:31.480
Yuktesvar had said to Yogananda that there are myriads of fairies, mermaids, fish, animals,

00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:39.640
goblins, gnomes, demigods, and spirits all residing in different astral planets in accordance

00:49:39.640 --> 00:49:43.920
with karmic qualifications and that he's working with this.

00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:51.560
And as soon as I read this, and this is after I have been working for 30 years with this

00:49:51.560 --> 00:50:02.520
stuff. After I read that, I said, "Oh my God, Sri Yukteswar has actually been overseeing

00:50:02.520 --> 00:50:11.120
my work with Alimentos all this time. You know, somebody's overseeing it. And also now,

00:50:11.120 --> 00:50:17.280
here I am going to be working with all these other ones, the Mer people and the dragons."

00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:18.280
>> Yeah.

00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:28.000
>> So, it really has been this evolution in my whole life that things come to me for proof

00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:31.280
at different times.

00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:36.000
>> And in the Vedic scriptures, which Sri Yukteswar certainly read, there are many passages

00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:40.760
where they'll give you a whole paragraph listing all kinds of beings with Sanskrit names, but

00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:41.760
they're not human beings.

00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:47.960
You know, there's the Kinnaras and the Gundarvas and the this and the that, dozens of them.

00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:53.000
So that culture is very familiar with the kind of thing you're telling us here.

00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:56.840
>> Yeah, and a lot of those would be demigods.

00:50:56.840 --> 00:51:02.560
Like you, I've been a meditator since I was about 21 years old, and it came from a near-death

00:51:02.560 --> 00:51:09.440
experience where I was actually offered a choice, hanging by my neck from a rope toe

00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:10.960
when I was skiing.

00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:18.960
Yeah, I was hanging and no one shut off

00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:22.960
the power. Yikes. And how they say all time

00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:27.640
stops, it did. I had no fear, absolutely

00:51:27.640 --> 00:51:30.840
none, and I saw two options. I saw I could

00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:34.000
go, I could leave, but I saw if I went that

00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:38.080
path, my parents would be devastated. And

00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:39.000
And then I saw this other path and it said very clearly,

00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:44.000
you'll have to put in time till you're 28 years old

00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:47.500
because you won't be able to start your real work till then.

00:51:47.500 --> 00:51:52.500
And then I was given the choice, stay or go, and I stayed.

00:51:52.500 --> 00:51:57.000
And when I was about 28, I started taking people

00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:59.500
and doing past life regressions.

00:51:59.500 --> 00:52:02.000
And that's how I met Dr. Tom Verney,

00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:08.880
who also wrote a book, Life Before Life, he sent people to me to regress them. So that's

00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:14.080
how my spiritual work started, was by doing past life regressions.

00:52:14.080 --> 00:52:15.280
Okay, interesting.

00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:16.720
I think you are.

00:52:16.720 --> 00:52:17.720
That sounds good.

00:52:17.720 --> 00:52:18.720
I think you are.

00:52:18.720 --> 00:52:19.720
Okay.

00:52:19.720 --> 00:52:21.920
I think you are, it's Darby.

00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:26.160
So another question then about hybrids. So let's say I was a hybrid, I have no idea,

00:52:26.160 --> 00:52:27.160
probably I'm not.

00:52:27.160 --> 00:52:28.160
Well, you probably are.

00:52:28.160 --> 00:52:29.160
Well, maybe I am, but...

00:52:29.160 --> 00:52:30.160
You probably are.

00:52:30.160 --> 00:52:33.160
And you actually have a thing in your book about how to determine which one you might

00:52:33.160 --> 00:52:34.160
be.

00:52:34.160 --> 00:52:35.160
Yeah.

00:52:35.160 --> 00:52:38.480
But when I read it, none of them really rang a bell, but who knows.

00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:40.400
But let's say I am one.

00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:42.520
Let's say you are a star being.

00:52:42.520 --> 00:52:43.680
Okay.

00:52:43.680 --> 00:52:44.680
Let's say you are.

00:52:44.680 --> 00:52:45.680
That sounds good.

00:52:45.680 --> 00:52:46.680
I think you are.

00:52:46.680 --> 00:52:47.680
Okay.

00:52:47.680 --> 00:52:49.600
I think you are a star being.

00:52:49.600 --> 00:52:52.160
I don't think you're an elemental.

00:52:52.160 --> 00:52:53.800
Alrighty.

00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:59.880
Star beings, and I divided hybrid so you think you're human into three sections.

00:52:59.880 --> 00:53:05.300
So there's the Earth ones, the human cousins, and then there's the star beings.

00:53:05.300 --> 00:53:10.840
So the star beings, they can be angels, they can be elves.

00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:14.160
Pete: Now, you're not saying E-L-F, you're saying E-L's.

00:53:14.160 --> 00:53:15.160
Susan: E-L's, yes.

00:53:15.160 --> 00:53:17.680
Pete: Okay, which I had never heard of.

00:53:17.680 --> 00:53:19.280
At first I thought you were saying elf.

00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:24.880
Susan: No, they're elves, and they came originally from Sirius.

00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:25.880
I am an elf.

00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:28.320
I am actually an elf, okay?

00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:35.540
I remember and I don't just remember, I've actually left my body and gone to Sirius.

00:53:35.540 --> 00:53:41.020
I mean left it, it's not breathing, left it, gone to Sirius.

00:53:41.020 --> 00:53:42.380
And I'm an El.

00:53:42.380 --> 00:53:46.020
I'll tell you some other ones, people who are Elves.

00:53:46.020 --> 00:53:49.780
I didn't write it in the book because I could have gotten sued.

00:53:49.780 --> 00:53:52.500
But the Dalai Lama is an El.

00:53:52.500 --> 00:53:56.020
No, Mother Teresa, an El.

00:53:56.020 --> 00:54:03.460
I just forgot his name. The black man in South Africa, Nelson Mandela, Nelson Mandela, an

00:54:03.460 --> 00:54:10.640
L. And L's are the same ones that they talk about in the Bible. If you read the Old Testament,

00:54:10.640 --> 00:54:11.940
they talk about the L's.

00:54:11.940 --> 00:54:14.020
Pete: By that name or some other name?

00:54:14.020 --> 00:54:15.420
Susan: Yeah, as L's. E-L-S.

00:54:15.420 --> 00:54:17.100
Pete: Okay. Probably darned.

00:54:17.100 --> 00:54:23.180
Susan: Yeah, at the beginning. And the L's, think about my name. My name is my, I haven't

00:54:23.180 --> 00:54:29.820
changed it. Hell, eh, well. - You've got a lot of L's in your name. - I've got a lot of L's in my name.

00:54:29.820 --> 00:54:37.420
And the L's help elementals. They are helpers of elementals. But L's are creators of form

00:54:37.420 --> 00:54:47.420
on the planet. They're very mental, and they also are warriors. They go in there and they're

00:54:47.420 --> 00:54:53.260
warriors. You know, there's warriors of power and there's warriors of love. I think I'm a warrior

00:54:53.260 --> 00:54:58.540
of love, but I'm a warrior. Pete: Sure. And you know, when you consider the challenges that the

00:54:58.540 --> 00:55:05.500
Dalai Lama and Mother Teresa and Nelson Mandela, who spent decades in prison, all faced, it wasn't

00:55:05.500 --> 00:55:09.100
just an easy ride, but they brought about huge changes nonetheless.

00:55:09.100 --> 00:55:19.740
>> Absolutely. And angels, my partner is an angel, and angels imbue form with essence.

00:55:19.740 --> 00:55:23.180
So it's very nice I have an angel to help me.

00:55:23.180 --> 00:55:26.140
>> Not too many women can say their husband's an angel.

00:55:26.140 --> 00:55:30.780
>> Or would say it.

00:55:30.780 --> 00:55:33.780
[Laughter]

00:55:33.780 --> 00:55:37.780
No, that's so funny. I guess I'm just fortunate.

00:55:37.780 --> 00:55:38.780
Yeah.

00:55:38.780 --> 00:55:41.780
So, I'm not trying to make you into an elf.

00:55:41.780 --> 00:55:43.780
I'm not trying to make you into an angel.

00:55:43.780 --> 00:55:45.780
I don't know how we got into it, but

00:55:45.780 --> 00:55:48.780
star beings could be dragons,

00:55:48.780 --> 00:55:52.780
they could be mer-people, mermaids, mermen,

00:55:52.780 --> 00:55:55.780
and they can be the pan-hybrid,

00:55:55.780 --> 00:55:57.780
like literally the pan-hybrid.

00:55:57.780 --> 00:56:02.820
hybrid. You know, a lot of my students are all these various kinds of hybrids, by the

00:56:02.820 --> 00:56:10.020
way. So, these are all star beings. Now, when star beings come down onto the Earth, they

00:56:10.020 --> 00:56:11.540
can enter other evolutions.

00:56:11.540 --> 00:56:17.460
>> So, by star beings, you mean their place of origin is some other solar system someplace?

00:56:17.460 --> 00:56:18.460
>> Exactly.

00:56:18.460 --> 00:56:19.460
>> Yeah, okay.

00:56:19.460 --> 00:56:32.340
So, Draconis is the star for the dragons, for example. Copernicus is the star for the panhybrids.

00:56:32.340 --> 00:56:40.980
There's the Horus hybrid also that I talk about as being the Christ of the Egyptians, the bird,

00:56:40.980 --> 00:56:41.980
the bird.

00:56:41.980 --> 00:56:42.980
Pete: With the bird head.

00:56:42.980 --> 00:56:51.180
the bird head, yes. So these are star beings. I just think you're a star being, and I don't

00:56:51.180 --> 00:56:57.100
want to make any assumptions or do anything on air that's very uncomfortable, and I would

00:56:57.100 --> 00:56:58.100
never do that.

00:56:58.100 --> 00:57:00.620
Well, it's okay, I don't mind being called a star being.

00:57:00.620 --> 00:57:09.260
Yeah, and if you think of your work, one of the commonalities about star beings is that

00:57:09.260 --> 00:57:17.860
They're very forward-looking, they're always trying to bring new advances into the world

00:57:17.860 --> 00:57:27.060
in some way, so they're pioneers, and they have this sense of wanting to create something

00:57:27.060 --> 00:57:28.540
good.

00:57:28.540 --> 00:57:34.860
There's really this impulse to help humanity and to help the Earth.

00:57:34.860 --> 00:57:40.420
Help the Earth is almost as important as helping humanity for star beings.

00:57:40.420 --> 00:57:44.100
Are any of those qualities yours, would you say, Rick?

00:57:44.100 --> 00:57:45.420
Pretty much all of them, yeah.

00:57:45.420 --> 00:57:47.780
Have been most of my life.

00:57:47.780 --> 00:57:51.940
Didn't start out that way, but once I kind of got my head together a little bit, you know,

00:57:51.940 --> 00:57:54.860
and got on a spiritual path, that was my incentive.

00:57:54.860 --> 00:57:55.860
Yeah.

00:57:55.860 --> 00:58:02.700
And yet, when they come down, they could end up entering merpeople evolution or dolphin

00:58:02.700 --> 00:58:05.580
evolution or something else.

00:58:05.580 --> 00:58:09.580
Okay, so my understanding is getting a little clearer now as you speak.

00:58:09.580 --> 00:58:11.980
I even forget that you're having an audience.

00:58:11.980 --> 00:58:14.860
Yeah, there's one, there's 108 people on at the moment.

00:58:14.860 --> 00:58:16.540
Oh, that's very nice.

00:58:16.540 --> 00:58:18.380
I hope they're enjoying our chat.

00:58:18.380 --> 00:58:21.420
I hope so, and they can send in questions if they want.

00:58:21.420 --> 00:58:25.820
So if I'm a star being, let's say, I'm not saying I am, but if I am, then what that means

00:58:25.820 --> 00:58:32.460
is it's not that some star being soul merged with the human soul that has been going through

00:58:32.460 --> 00:58:37.740
numerous incarnations, it's that a star being, let's say he decided, okay, I want to come to

00:58:37.740 --> 00:58:44.940
Earth, and he either came with me into my physical body for his first incarnation on Earth, or he

00:58:44.940 --> 00:58:52.620
might have gone through 100 incarnations on Earth, one body after another, but he was a soul, he,

00:58:52.620 --> 00:58:59.100
she, could have been she in many lifetimes, is a soul that hasn't been on Earth since its formation

00:58:59.100 --> 00:59:03.900
necessarily, but that kind of is a relative newcomer from some star system.

00:59:03.900 --> 00:59:06.100
>> It depends.

00:59:06.100 --> 00:59:10.580
I remember being here when the Earth was a gas.

00:59:10.580 --> 00:59:11.580
It was a gas.

00:59:11.580 --> 00:59:12.580
>> Four billion years ago or something.

00:59:12.580 --> 00:59:19.140
>> Yeah, and I remember with my mind bringing form together.

00:59:19.140 --> 00:59:24.780
It was a gas and I was mentally bringing form together.

00:59:24.780 --> 00:59:26.620
>> Helping to congeal it into...

00:59:26.620 --> 00:59:32.820
>> Yes, and of course, this body, this of course was not the body.

00:59:32.820 --> 00:59:35.020
It was just the thought.

00:59:35.020 --> 00:59:41.300
So what I'm saying is, everybody would have a different time when they thought that they

00:59:41.300 --> 00:59:42.300
entered.

00:59:42.300 --> 00:59:43.300
>> Yes.

00:59:43.300 --> 00:59:44.500
>> If they were a star being.

00:59:44.500 --> 00:59:50.020
>> So it could be billions of years ago, it could be like this lifetime is the first one.

00:59:50.020 --> 00:59:51.020
>> Yeah.

00:59:51.020 --> 00:59:57.860
a different reason. There are very evolved beings coming in right now who have not had

00:59:57.860 --> 01:00:06.780
to go through these myriad of incarnations and they're coming in right now. So, how wonderful.

01:00:06.780 --> 01:00:13.780
Pete: Yeah. What you just said reminded me of something which we alluded to earlier,

01:00:13.780 --> 01:00:18.900
and that is that I get the impression from this conversation and from various people

01:00:18.900 --> 01:00:24.980
talked to and books I've read, that all these elementals are instrumental in the orchestration

01:00:24.980 --> 01:00:31.540
of pretty much everything in the universe and on our planet, which would include the formation of

01:00:31.540 --> 01:00:38.340
the planet, or the formation of the sun for that matter, and plant life and animal life and all

01:00:38.340 --> 01:00:44.260
kinds of things. It's not just dumb matter. Everything is orchestrated by divine intelligence,

01:00:44.260 --> 01:00:52.820
but divine intelligence has its specific impulses or agents or helpers or whatever that are really

01:00:52.820 --> 01:00:57.380
nothing other than divine intelligence essentially, but that play specific roles.

01:00:57.380 --> 01:01:05.220
Susan: Yeah, yeah. And I focus on elementals on the Earth and the Earth evolution and that

01:01:05.220 --> 01:01:14.900
kind of thing, so I can't speak to the elemental forces in other solar systems or universes.

01:01:14.900 --> 01:01:16.380
I can't speak to that.

01:01:16.380 --> 01:01:19.540
Pete: But undoubtedly, they're there, I would say.

01:01:19.540 --> 01:01:25.700
And these days with our Webb telescope and also the Kepler telescope, I think it is,

01:01:25.700 --> 01:01:31.100
that, you know, we now realize that there are planets orbiting virtually every star.

01:01:31.100 --> 01:01:36.980
So, there are more stars than there are grains of sand on all the beaches in the world, and

01:01:36.980 --> 01:01:42.780
therefore, there are probably, you know, about more planets than that even, and if even 1%

01:01:42.780 --> 01:01:47.620
of them are inhabited by intelligent life, there are trillions of intelligent planets

01:01:47.620 --> 01:01:48.620
out there.

01:01:48.620 --> 01:01:54.900
Jill: Yeah, incredible, and how little we see and how little we know.

01:01:54.900 --> 01:02:01.360
And yet, we each of us, don't we, have to focus on the job we've been given.

01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:06.180
That's all that each of us can do is focus on the job we've been given.

01:02:06.180 --> 01:02:07.180
What's that saying?

01:02:07.180 --> 01:02:08.780
"Think globally, act locally."

01:02:08.780 --> 01:02:09.780
Yeah.

01:02:09.780 --> 01:02:17.260
Okay, so you have alluded to, you know, how we're entering into a really interesting phase

01:02:17.260 --> 01:02:20.500
possibly for the next 2,000 years.

01:02:20.500 --> 01:02:22.460
I have a good friend.

01:02:22.460 --> 01:02:23.860
He's kind of well-known on the internet.

01:02:23.860 --> 01:02:29.020
I won't mention him, but he became very depressed after the last election, and I haven't had

01:02:29.020 --> 01:02:32.660
a chance to talk to him since he told me that, but I think I'm going to encourage him to

01:02:32.660 --> 01:02:39.420
broaden his focus because there really is a kind of a divine orchestration of things

01:02:39.420 --> 01:02:45.980
and things appearing to get darker could actually mean the dawn is getting closer, you know,

01:02:45.980 --> 01:02:46.980
that saying.

01:02:46.980 --> 01:02:48.740
It's always darkest before the dawn.

01:02:48.740 --> 01:02:55.140
So with all the investigation you've done and the beings you've communicated with and all

01:02:55.140 --> 01:03:01.780
that, do you have any sense of what's coming and what the possible timeline might be?

01:03:01.780 --> 01:03:07.580
Are we talking about some significant changes within our lifetime or we're talking about,

01:03:07.580 --> 01:03:12.500
you know, it's gonna be a thousand years from now before things really get a lot nicer or

01:03:12.500 --> 01:03:13.500
what?

01:03:13.500 --> 01:03:19.740
interesting talking about this because I had a strong feeling that this was the most important

01:03:19.740 --> 01:03:25.660
thing that we would share today. Not about my books, I mean, that's all very nice that

01:03:25.660 --> 01:03:31.460
you want to talk about my books, but about this time we're going through because people

01:03:31.460 --> 01:03:40.420
are struggling so much. And what I see is that there is massive swings in frequency

01:03:40.420 --> 01:03:49.340
going on. And it used to be that our frequency on the earth was relatively stable with humans

01:03:49.340 --> 01:03:56.840
being able to agree that these are the ideas and the morals and the ethics that we ascribe

01:03:56.840 --> 01:04:03.380
to and having some sort of peace, although there was always little hot spots, but some

01:04:03.380 --> 01:04:10.960
sort of peace. And in these last years, and not just this last election, it's just when

01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:18.520
it's kind of come into visibility more maybe, but in these last years, we're seeing increased

01:04:18.520 --> 01:04:26.480
frequency things moving like this. So there will be the best of times and oh yes, we're

01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:32.100
going to go into the Aquarian Age and the worst of times, oh no, this is the Armageddon that

01:04:32.100 --> 01:04:33.300
we've all heard about.

01:04:33.300 --> 01:04:35.740
Pete: Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities.

01:04:35.740 --> 01:04:36.740
[Laughter]

01:04:36.740 --> 01:04:42.660
Kirsten: That's right. So, I'm seeing these massive swings and this-

01:04:42.660 --> 01:04:44.020
Pete: Polarities.

01:04:44.020 --> 01:04:51.460
Kirsten: Yes, these polarities. Both exist simultaneously. So, it is not a neither or,

01:04:51.460 --> 01:04:58.580
it's a both and. And I believe there are incredible cosmic energies coming in right now.

01:04:58.580 --> 01:05:02.020
Pete: From where? Subtle realms or whatever?

01:05:02.020 --> 01:05:05.380
- Yeah, the divine, let's just say universal intelligence.

01:05:05.380 --> 01:05:07.620
I call it that as well as you do.

01:05:07.620 --> 01:05:11.820
Universal intelligence, the creator of our universe,

01:05:11.820 --> 01:05:13.460
if you want to call it our universe,

01:05:13.460 --> 01:05:15.660
'cause I think there's many universes.

01:05:15.660 --> 01:05:19.640
So the creator of our universe is massive,

01:05:19.640 --> 01:05:21.740
that this is the timing.

01:05:21.740 --> 01:05:25.820
This is the timing where our entire solar system,

01:05:25.820 --> 01:05:30.500
not just the earth, is going through a rise in frequency.

01:05:30.500 --> 01:05:38.180
a quantum leap. But in order for that to happen, because each of us, as you alluded to it before,

01:05:38.180 --> 01:05:44.420
Rick, each of us is a cell in the body of the whole. So we've got all these cells in each of

01:05:44.420 --> 01:05:51.060
our bodies, but each of us is a cell in the body of the Earth. So whatever is happening to the Earth

01:05:51.060 --> 01:05:58.180
is happening to us individually. There's no separation from the cosmos to the solar system,

01:05:58.180 --> 01:06:06.260
to the Earth to us. It's all happening simultaneously, this quantum leap. However, and this is the

01:06:06.260 --> 01:06:13.740
problem that's going on, is because we are now moving to a higher frequency, which is

01:06:13.740 --> 01:06:21.700
this astral frequency, where we are going to be able to be clairvoyant, clairaudient,

01:06:21.700 --> 01:06:28.100
clairsentient, and to become conscious creators on this planet and guardians of this planet.

01:06:28.100 --> 01:06:34.460
That is our destiny in this 2000 years, conscious creators and guardians of this planet.

01:06:34.460 --> 01:06:40.540
We have to, first of all, get through what's called the hell realm.

01:06:40.540 --> 01:06:43.740
We have to get through the bardo.

01:06:43.740 --> 01:06:52.740
We have to get through this lower astral frequencies of everything that humanity has created that

01:06:52.740 --> 01:06:56.860
is not in alignment with higher consciousness.

01:06:56.860 --> 01:07:02.860
this stuff has to somehow be flushed out of the bushes and exposed and thereby somehow

01:07:02.860 --> 01:07:03.860
neutralized.

01:07:03.860 --> 01:07:04.860
Jillian: And transmuted.

01:07:04.860 --> 01:07:06.300
Pete: Transmuted, right.

01:07:06.300 --> 01:07:13.020
Jillian: Yeah, and that means that each of our, you know, yours, mine, everybody's, each

01:07:13.020 --> 01:07:20.780
of our unique thought forms which are out of alignment, our thoughts, our feelings are

01:07:20.780 --> 01:07:28.900
going to be triggered, because each of us has a responsibility to do this ourselves, and

01:07:28.900 --> 01:07:31.580
to move this ourselves.

01:07:31.580 --> 01:07:32.860
No one can do it for us.

01:07:32.860 --> 01:07:34.440
We can't wait for God to do it.

01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:37.740
We have the responsibility to do it ourselves.

01:07:37.740 --> 01:07:44.620
So everything in us is being triggered, and so sometimes we're feeling, "Whoa, I'm

01:07:44.620 --> 01:07:46.380
doing all right, you know?

01:07:46.380 --> 01:07:50.700
I'm feeling--I'm meditating today.

01:07:50.700 --> 01:07:54.300
thinking positive thoughts and other days we're thinking,

01:07:54.300 --> 01:07:58.300
oh God, you know, look what's just happened in the world

01:07:58.300 --> 01:08:02.140
and how many wars do we have going on simultaneously

01:08:02.140 --> 01:08:05.100
and get me out of here.

01:08:05.100 --> 01:08:07.200
We have to deal with both of this.

01:08:07.200 --> 01:08:11.820
And our job is to stay in non-attachment

01:08:11.820 --> 01:08:16.820
and in a neutral place with positivity and optimism

01:08:18.240 --> 01:08:22.640
so that we confronted in ourselves, that's our job,

01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:27.340
and do our job, and then try to stay the course

01:08:27.340 --> 01:08:29.080
as we go through this.

01:08:29.080 --> 01:08:33.200
I think we're having the dissolution of our old structures,

01:08:33.200 --> 01:08:35.120
I think you must agree with me.

01:08:35.120 --> 01:08:40.120
It's the complete disintegration of our old structures.

01:08:40.120 --> 01:08:45.520
So we're gonna see, I believe, massive collapse happening

01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:56.040
financially, environmentally, all over the world, at the same time as on a higher frequency,

01:08:56.040 --> 01:08:58.800
there are programs like yours happening.

01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:02.080
There are books like mine coming into the world.

01:09:02.080 --> 01:09:09.300
There are more and more of us becoming conscious and raising the frequency.

01:09:09.300 --> 01:09:14.600
So these things are existing simultaneously in the ethers.

01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:17.080
Does this make sense to you?

01:09:17.080 --> 01:09:18.400
Oh, it makes sense, yeah.

01:09:18.400 --> 01:09:20.480
I want to explore it more with you.

01:09:20.480 --> 01:09:27.120
I've sometimes said, you know, a rising tide lifts all boats, but if some of the boats

01:09:27.120 --> 01:09:31.240
insist upon remaining anchored, they're going to capsize because the water's going to rise,

01:09:31.240 --> 01:09:32.760
but the boats won't be able to.

01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:35.080
I've got shivers when you say that.

01:09:35.080 --> 01:09:36.680
That's a wonderful metaphor.

01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:43.040
Yeah, so it behooves people to raise anchor and rise with the tide, but a lot of people

01:09:43.040 --> 01:09:48.080
seem rather determined not to do that. And so, when you say all kinds of things are going to collapse,

01:09:48.080 --> 01:09:53.280
economies and whatnot, you know, some people are a little bit apocalyptic in their predictions that

01:09:53.280 --> 01:09:59.760
there could be a lot of people dying and a lot of misery. And I've often thought that the spiritual

01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:05.360
teachers who've been coming to the world, like Yogananda and some of his people who came after

01:10:05.360 --> 01:10:12.560
him foresaw this kind of change coming and wanted to just do as much as they could to

01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:16.560
make it a smoother transition than it otherwise would be.

01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:25.440
>> Yeah, I think so too, and all we can do, you know, us little people, is to plant seeds.

01:10:25.440 --> 01:10:32.880
That's what I think. All we're doing here is, with your work, with mine, with so many wonderful

01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:41.680
people that you have the privilege of speaking to. We can plant seeds and some of these seeds will

01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:48.880
grow in others. It may grow immediately and it may grow in three decades when the pain gets so great.

01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:55.680
I often think that unless the pain gets big enough, great enough, we will not change.

01:10:55.680 --> 01:11:00.720
Yeah, I mean they say with alcoholics they often have to hit bottom before they're willing to

01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:06.080
get help. It's a shame that it has to be that way because, you know, there's a lot of suffering

01:11:06.080 --> 01:11:10.000
involved in an alcoholic hitting bottom and there would be a lot of suffering involved in the world

01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:14.240
hitting bottom in terms of everything having to collapse and all that, but when you think about

01:11:14.240 --> 01:11:20.640
how crazy and how harmful so many of our industries and environmental practices and other things are,

01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:25.280
and yet how powerful they seem to be, how much money is behind them, you think, well, they're

01:11:25.280 --> 01:11:30.720
not gonna give up voluntarily, so what's gonna bring them down if we're going to transition to

01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:34.640
a world in which such ways of doing things are no longer possible.

01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:41.280
>> That's right. I think we have to take to the streets. There will be a massive global

01:11:41.280 --> 01:11:46.960
uprising of the collective, of people collectively.

01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:54.160
>> And that doesn't necessarily mean, to my mind, massive global rioting and protesting and,

01:11:54.160 --> 01:12:00.640
you know, that kind of thing. Uprising could mean people who are really driving the change.

01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:07.560
are out of sight, out of mind. They're kind of shifting their consciousness in rather secluded

01:12:07.560 --> 01:12:13.660
ways and yet all the big changes are bubbling up on the surface as they do so. This can be

01:12:13.660 --> 01:12:24.200
happening and if we just were refusing to buy into the collapsing system, right? Like a refusal. I'm

01:12:24.200 --> 01:12:29.200
thinking of Peter Finch in that movie where he says, "I'm mad as hell and I'm just not going to

01:12:29.200 --> 01:12:30.200
take it anymore.

01:12:30.200 --> 01:12:31.200
Right.

01:12:31.200 --> 01:12:32.200
Network, I think it was called.

01:12:32.200 --> 01:12:34.280
Yeah, it was network.

01:12:34.280 --> 01:12:37.880
Or Gandhi just saying we're marching to the sea.

01:12:37.880 --> 01:12:38.880
Yeah.

01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:44.080
It's a collective movement of consciousness of people.

01:12:44.080 --> 01:12:47.760
It's like, think about recycling.

01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:55.560
The mass of human, ordinary people who force governments to get into recycling.

01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:56.560
Yeah.

01:12:56.560 --> 01:13:02.000
Unfortunately, a lot of governments ship all the garbage to Africa, who get paid to take

01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:04.840
it and they just dump it and it flows into the ocean.

01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:11.440
Yeah, well, these ways of seeing it, it's sort of like half bad, half good.

01:13:11.440 --> 01:13:14.880
We're still not thinking far enough ahead.

01:13:14.880 --> 01:13:16.920
We are only dealing with this.

01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:25.080
We're not making decisions based on, as First Nations people have always said, seven generations.

01:13:25.080 --> 01:13:30.040
Yeah, and this is going to shift as well.

01:13:30.040 --> 01:13:37.180
When I worked in organizations, as well as doing all of my cuckoo stuff, I worked for

01:13:37.180 --> 01:13:44.140
our IBM, I worked for Forrest Companies, I was a faculty member for the Banff Center for

01:13:44.140 --> 01:13:48.560
Leadership for 22 years, I worked for banks.

01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:55.320
I was an infiltrator and I call us "Cancers for Good."

01:13:55.320 --> 01:14:03.440
We go into, and there are people who, bless their hearts, are within those organizations,

01:14:03.440 --> 01:14:06.600
staying there and working from within.

01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:08.960
I'm not capable of that.

01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:13.000
I could only be a consultant to go in.

01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:16.960
But our frequency changes things, Rick.

01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:18.240
We change things.

01:14:18.240 --> 01:14:24.120
I become aware, it's not my words, it's my frequency.

01:14:24.120 --> 01:14:30.080
People get anywhere near me and they start going through changes.

01:14:30.080 --> 01:14:32.960
And I bet it's the same with you.

01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:36.160
They get near you and they start going through changes.

01:14:36.160 --> 01:14:38.280
It's our frequency.

01:14:38.280 --> 01:14:44.720
People think, "Oh, well, I have to do something radical, like lead a protest movement or something."

01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:46.560
They only have to change themselves.

01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:51.520
Yeah, who was it, Gandhi who said, "Be the change you want to see in the world"?

01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:53.200
That's right.

01:14:53.200 --> 01:15:00.900
Because everybody has a certain frequency and when we are optimistic and we keep to positive

01:15:00.900 --> 01:15:07.880
thoughts of love and compassion and forgiveness and tolerance and good humor and all these

01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:11.400
wonderful qualities, our frequency rises.

01:15:11.400 --> 01:15:19.360
And it doesn't mean we're a Pollyanna, that we are totally unable to see what is going

01:15:19.360 --> 01:15:21.200
on in this other part.

01:15:21.200 --> 01:15:22.360
Pete: Yeah.

01:15:22.360 --> 01:15:28.840
Now, we started this discussion by talking about all the inhabitants of the astral and

01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:33.960
higher realms, and we touched upon the point that some of them might be concerned with

01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:38.080
human affairs and some not, but in the last few minutes we've just been talking as though

01:15:38.080 --> 01:15:43.240
it were humans alone who are affecting the kinds of changes that we expect to see coming.

01:15:43.240 --> 01:15:49.860
But to what extent do you think that the involvement of these subtler beings is a catalyst for

01:15:49.860 --> 01:15:50.860
these changes?

01:15:50.860 --> 01:15:58.480
Susan: Well, the book I wrote, The Dragon's Tale, which only came out this year, is about

01:15:58.480 --> 01:16:07.560
how dragons are returning to the earth, especially a great cosmic dragon, in order to help birth

01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:16.040
the earth into consciousness and how these energies, the dragons, are beings of all four

01:16:16.040 --> 01:16:22.440
elements, earth, air, fire, and water. They're an integrated being and they're using their

01:16:22.440 --> 01:16:31.720
kundalini energy, their fire, in order to catalyze us individually and also collectively.

01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:39.880
I find this very optimistic, and as they said, they've been here before, it's just that we

01:16:39.880 --> 01:16:43.400
didn't want to hear about them before, we were busy wanting to kill them,

01:16:43.400 --> 01:16:45.480
St. George and the Dragon.

01:16:45.480 --> 01:16:46.120
Pete Right.

01:16:46.120 --> 01:16:50.600
Kirsten Christianity wanted to do away with any of those stories.

01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:58.680
So, I'm very optimistic about the wonderful beings who are here right now helping us.

01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:01.440
Pete Yeah, so the dragons are kind of like what

01:17:01.440 --> 01:17:03.300
you were, they're consultants.

01:17:03.300 --> 01:17:07.620
They get called in when there's a need in a particular place.

01:17:07.620 --> 01:17:12.160
You make it sound like if there's some great dragon, and we might want to elaborate on what

01:17:12.160 --> 01:17:17.900
dragons actually are, that has come to help facilitate the changes that the earth is undergoing,

01:17:17.900 --> 01:17:23.780
he might be like a traveling doctor who has gone to various other planets when they're

01:17:23.780 --> 01:17:25.100
ready for his help.

01:17:25.100 --> 01:17:31.100
>> Yes, well, that's what the dragons were telling me when I went to the dragon world,

01:17:31.100 --> 01:17:38.060
that that is exactly what their function is, is to help with the birth into consciousness

01:17:38.060 --> 01:17:44.180
and into higher consciousness of races and solar systems even.

01:17:44.180 --> 01:17:45.180
>> Yeah.

01:17:45.180 --> 01:17:50.840
So, you said it was Babaji who encouraged you to write a book about dragons, and I think

01:17:50.840 --> 01:17:56.960
you might have said that Babaji himself was a dragon, but not in a dragon form necessarily,

01:17:56.960 --> 01:18:01.920
appearing in a human form. Maybe you could elaborate on that. And since we're mentioning

01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:06.120
dragons with the assumption that people know what we're talking about, I think we do need

01:18:06.120 --> 01:18:12.200
to elaborate a bit because everybody has their idea of what dragons are and that might be

01:18:12.200 --> 01:18:15.840
a bit of a stretch if we don't explain it in greater detail.

01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:23.980
Okay, for those folks who may have just come on, we were speaking about 22 different races

01:18:23.980 --> 01:18:27.600
of beings who have been involved with the evolution of the earth.

01:18:27.600 --> 01:18:32.100
And one of these races is the dragon race.

01:18:32.100 --> 01:18:39.180
And that dragons, if we're talking about elementals, which are gnomes and goblins and whatever being,

01:18:39.180 --> 01:18:42.020
here's the earth in frequency.

01:18:42.020 --> 01:18:45.640
Here's the elemental world, just a little higher.

01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:52.520
the race of the mer people, mermaids and mermen. They're in a higher astral consciousness.

01:18:52.520 --> 01:19:02.320
And if you go up here to a very high astral consciousness, really a causal world of thought,

01:19:02.320 --> 01:19:08.240
going right into this borderline causal world of thought, you have the dragon frequency,

01:19:08.240 --> 01:19:19.520
the dragon world. So, all these myriad worlds exist in different frequencies, and the dragons

01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:26.040
and their dragon world, when I write the dragon's tale, I have it divided into two parts. The

01:19:26.040 --> 01:19:32.920
first part is a dragon coming to the earth to talk about their evolution of the earth

01:19:32.920 --> 01:19:38.460
and Humanity and then the second part is me going to the Dragon World to see what it's

01:19:38.460 --> 01:19:45.220
like to be there. Now, as you said, it was Mahavatar Babaji who asked me to write this

01:19:45.220 --> 01:19:55.920
book. And he is on the same lineage as Paramahansa Yogananda and Sri Yukteswar. So it's Christ,

01:19:55.920 --> 01:20:03.620
Krishna, Mahavatar Babaji, Lahiri Messiah, Sri Yukteswar and Paramahansa Yogananda.

01:20:03.620 --> 01:20:06.440
It is the same lineage.

01:20:06.440 --> 01:20:14.560
So Mahavatar Babaji, I had never spoken to him before, Rick, and he is the deathless

01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:20.920
youth of the Himalayas that works with high initiates.

01:20:20.920 --> 01:20:23.720
And I had meditated.

01:20:23.720 --> 01:20:25.680
It's the lineage I meditate with.

01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:33.140
I had meditated and he had tapped me on the head many, many times, but no communication.

01:20:33.140 --> 01:20:43.360
And on this particular occasion, all of a sudden I was grabbed by him and taken into a higher

01:20:43.360 --> 01:20:48.040
frequency where I could look down on the earth.

01:20:48.040 --> 01:20:52.080
And he said, "You've written enough about elementals.

01:20:52.080 --> 01:20:54.720
What about dragons?"

01:20:54.720 --> 01:21:00.400
And I saw the dragon world and I saw the world of the merpeople.

01:21:00.400 --> 01:21:03.320
And I knew I had to write about these.

01:21:03.320 --> 01:21:06.040
And it wasn't my first experience of dragons.

01:21:06.040 --> 01:21:14.460
I've had experiences for 30 years with dragons, but not going to the dragon world and having

01:21:14.460 --> 01:21:17.720
a responsibility to write about them.

01:21:17.720 --> 01:21:19.840
So that's what happened.

01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:22.120
And I put it off for a year.

01:21:22.120 --> 01:21:29.320
And then, as we were speaking earlier, I went to Prajnaparamita's ashram over in France

01:21:29.320 --> 01:21:30.320
to teach.

01:21:30.320 --> 01:21:34.480
She invited me to go and teach about astral worlds.

01:21:34.480 --> 01:21:43.040
And I no sooner got there the very first night than she said, "Tatis," and she didn't

01:21:43.040 --> 01:21:46.480
know anything about this dragon stuff that I'm telling you about, right?

01:21:46.480 --> 01:21:50.920
She didn't know I'd been told to write this book about dragons or any of this.

01:21:50.920 --> 01:21:56.300
And she said, "Tanis, a dragon has come and landed in our forest and I've been keeping

01:21:56.300 --> 01:22:01.040
everybody else away, but I think you have to go and talk to it."

01:22:01.040 --> 01:22:06.520
And it was the dragon from the dragon world who had wanted to speak with me and was getting

01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:08.720
impatient with me going there.

01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:10.760
How did she know it was there?

01:22:10.760 --> 01:22:16.400
Because they had been doing some fire ceremonies with pandits from India.

01:22:16.400 --> 01:22:22.720
And these pandits had come and one of their people had said that the black dragon had

01:22:22.720 --> 01:22:24.680
landed in their forest.

01:22:24.680 --> 01:22:25.680
Okay.

01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:27.680
Yeah, interesting, eh?

01:22:27.680 --> 01:22:28.680
Yeah.

01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:32.440
And these dragons, they actually look like the kinds of dragons that are depicted in

01:22:32.440 --> 01:22:33.440
the folklore, right?

01:22:33.440 --> 01:22:38.520
I mean, they have wings and they breathe fire sometimes, and they have scales and big teeth

01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:40.240
and the whole deal.

01:22:40.240 --> 01:22:41.240
They do.

01:22:41.240 --> 01:22:42.240
They have the whole deal.

01:22:42.240 --> 01:22:45.520
But that's the way I see them, okay?

01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:50.200
Because we all see things through our own filter, Rick.

01:22:50.200 --> 01:22:52.920
So that's what I want to make clear to people.

01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:59.120
I see things through my own filters, and I'm not going to negate somebody else's way of

01:22:59.120 --> 01:23:00.120
seeing.

01:23:00.120 --> 01:23:01.480
Yeah, that's interesting.

01:23:01.480 --> 01:23:07.840
Could it be that our cultural conditioning has created filters, which causes someone like

01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:15.320
you to see these things in a certain way that are actually quite unlike the way they would

01:23:15.320 --> 01:23:16.320
see themselves.

01:23:16.320 --> 01:23:21.760
They're very different, you know, than they might actually appear to other dragons or to

01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:24.400
other beings.

01:23:24.400 --> 01:23:27.800
There are stories like this in science fiction and all where someone appears like a human

01:23:27.800 --> 01:23:33.040
but they're really some kind of totally different being and a human guise, like that one with

01:23:33.040 --> 01:23:36.280
the old people in Cocoon, you know, remember that movie?

01:23:36.280 --> 01:23:37.280
Oh, yes.

01:23:37.280 --> 01:23:38.840
Pete Yeah, where there are these light beings,

01:23:38.840 --> 01:23:41.640
but they were in human bodies and so on.

01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:42.640
Could it be like that?

01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:44.580
Susan It could be.

01:23:44.580 --> 01:23:54.680
Like when I see Christ, for example, I see Christ as a sparkling light, a tremendously

01:23:54.680 --> 01:23:58.560
sparkling light, like remember those sparklers you get?

01:23:58.560 --> 01:23:59.560
Pete Right.

01:23:59.560 --> 01:24:01.560
Susan All these masses, masses.

01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:02.560
Yeah.

01:24:02.560 --> 01:24:10.040
So, that is the way I don't see Christ on the cross or Jesus on the cross or in the manger.

01:24:10.040 --> 01:24:11.960
I see that.

01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:23.040
So, I think we see also depending on in which dimension we're looking at the time.

01:24:23.040 --> 01:24:24.880
Pete Okay, good.

01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:31.340
So you said this topic of the changes that the world will be undergoing might be one

01:24:31.340 --> 01:24:34.720
of our main purposes in this conversation.

01:24:34.720 --> 01:24:36.560
What more can we say about that?

01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:42.880
Well, getting back to your friend and how you're going to see if you can have a conversation.

01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:45.760
Yeah, yeah.

01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:52.540
Just to put it in terms of both/and, I find that that is extremely helpful for people

01:24:52.540 --> 01:24:56.160
that they don't get into either or,

01:24:56.160 --> 01:24:59.040
because that's the duality

01:24:59.040 --> 01:25:03.240
of the old illusionary world we're leaving,

01:25:03.240 --> 01:25:05.300
is the either or.

01:25:05.300 --> 01:25:09.040
And the both and encompasses it both,

01:25:09.040 --> 01:25:12.640
and encompasses it on many different dimensions,

01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:14.780
what reality is.

01:25:14.780 --> 01:25:16.440
And as you said earlier,

01:25:16.440 --> 01:25:18.120
and boy, that was wonderful,

01:25:18.120 --> 01:25:21.660
what you said about basically

01:25:21.660 --> 01:25:24.700
the universal intelligence knows what it's doing.

01:25:24.700 --> 01:25:25.700
Pete Yeah.

01:25:25.700 --> 01:25:32.220
Jodi And yes, like how can we down here think that

01:25:32.220 --> 01:25:37.420
we know better what the universal intelligence is doing?

01:25:37.420 --> 01:25:41.020
Pete There's a saying in Vedic literature that

01:25:41.020 --> 01:25:45.060
Brahman is the eater of everything and Brahman is the totality, right?

01:25:45.060 --> 01:25:49.900
It's like there's nothing outside of Brahman, everything is contained within it.

01:25:49.900 --> 01:25:55.900
And by that phrase, I think they mean that all the various diversities and polarities

01:25:55.900 --> 01:26:03.980
and paradoxes and forces and whatnot, they're all harmoniously contained within this totality.

01:26:03.980 --> 01:26:08.260
And of course, most people don't own the totality, they're kind of fragmented, they're off on

01:26:08.260 --> 01:26:11.140
one or another spoke on the wheel.

01:26:11.140 --> 01:26:18.420
So to them, there's so many things that seem to be in conflict with their particular orientation.

01:26:18.420 --> 01:26:25.340
But if one could really become the totality, then you subsume everything, you contain everything,

01:26:25.340 --> 01:26:28.900
and you're able to harmonize differences within your awareness.

01:26:28.900 --> 01:26:33.900
Susan D'Elia Yeah, so just having faith in the process,

01:26:33.900 --> 01:26:40.860
I think, and to have faith that we're at the right place at the right time, we're the right

01:26:40.860 --> 01:26:47.340
gender, we're the right age, we're in the right country, there's not an accident, and

01:26:47.340 --> 01:26:54.020
that our life has meaning and to fully embrace what we've been given, whatever opportunities

01:26:54.020 --> 01:26:58.300
there are, whatever challenges there are, that we embrace them.

01:26:58.300 --> 01:26:59.300
- Yeah, yeah.

01:26:59.300 --> 01:27:00.300
Good point.

01:27:00.300 --> 01:27:01.500
Right place, right time.

01:27:01.500 --> 01:27:04.900
It's not like accidental that we're in the situation we're in.

01:27:04.900 --> 01:27:12.340
- Yeah, and I think people alive right now are pioneers in creating this bridge to the

01:27:12.340 --> 01:27:13.560
new way.

01:27:13.560 --> 01:27:18.640
We've got the right faculties to be able to do it.

01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:26.800
Another thing that came to mind was that we have to get over our fear of death, this feeling

01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:34.760
that death is terrible as opposed to that we're eternally alive, it's just a change of state.

01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:40.760
That may make sense to people theoretically, but we have our knowledge that, you know, the

01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:43.960
death of the physical body is a relatively minor matter.

01:27:43.960 --> 01:27:47.600
- The end, they are related to death.

01:27:47.600 --> 01:27:50.440
- What I found helpful in culturing that perspective

01:27:50.440 --> 01:27:52.600
is long before I started BatGap,

01:27:52.600 --> 01:27:55.180
reading near-death experience books.

01:27:55.180 --> 01:27:56.540
You know, you read a bunch of those

01:27:56.540 --> 01:27:58.240
and I've interviewed so many people now

01:27:58.240 --> 01:28:00.360
who've had near-death experiences.

01:28:00.360 --> 01:28:03.440
You just, after a while, it becomes kind of an ingrained

01:28:03.440 --> 01:28:06.800
assumption or knowledge that, you know,

01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:10.480
the death of the physical body is a relatively minor matter

01:28:10.480 --> 01:28:14.160
in the big scheme of your life and your evolution.

01:28:14.160 --> 01:28:16.280
- Yeah, very much so.

01:28:16.280 --> 01:28:20.640
And if people could even separate out the two things,

01:28:20.640 --> 01:28:23.880
one being death, where some people will say,

01:28:23.880 --> 01:28:27.080
"Well, actually I'm okay if I just wake up,

01:28:27.080 --> 01:28:30.960
"I just die one second and I'm awake the next."

01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:34.360
But also this idea of pain

01:28:34.360 --> 01:28:37.400
and that it's maybe not going to be that pleasant.

01:28:38.480 --> 01:28:46.240
And here we have to have faith that once again, the kind of death that we experience, we're

01:28:46.240 --> 01:28:47.800
up for.

01:28:47.800 --> 01:28:53.220
I think we're set up to succeed in what our life purpose is, not to fail.

01:28:53.220 --> 01:28:58.400
I think each person is being given exactly the opportunities to succeed.

01:28:58.400 --> 01:28:59.960
Pete: Yeah.

01:28:59.960 --> 01:29:03.040
Regarding pain, Woody Allen said, "I don't mind dying, I just don't want to be there

01:29:03.040 --> 01:29:04.040
when it happens."

01:29:04.040 --> 01:29:05.040
[Laughter]

01:29:05.040 --> 01:29:06.040
Judy: Yes.

01:29:06.040 --> 01:29:07.040
Yes.

01:29:07.040 --> 01:29:10.400
Have you ever heard the story of the old Chinese farmer?

01:29:10.400 --> 01:29:11.400
No.

01:29:11.400 --> 01:29:12.400
I'll tell it really quick.

01:29:12.400 --> 01:29:17.480
It pertains to what we've been talking about, about trusting in the flow of things and not

01:29:17.480 --> 01:29:20.320
being too attached to particular outcomes.

01:29:20.320 --> 01:29:23.320
So there was an old Chinese farmer and he barely got by.

01:29:23.320 --> 01:29:27.120
He had one horse and he had his son and a small farm.

01:29:27.120 --> 01:29:31.320
And one day the horse escaped and the neighbors came and said, "Oh my God, what are you going

01:29:31.320 --> 01:29:32.320
to do?

01:29:32.320 --> 01:29:34.360
You can't operate the farm without your horse."

01:29:34.360 --> 01:29:36.720
And the farmer said, "Well, we'll see."

01:29:36.720 --> 01:29:40.680
So then the next day, the horse came back and a bunch of wild horses followed it into the

01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:44.760
corral and they closed the gate and the neighbors came and said, "Oh, you're a wealthy man now,

01:29:44.760 --> 01:29:47.440
you have all these horses, and it's so great."

01:29:47.440 --> 01:29:49.600
And the farmer said, "Well, we'll see."

01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:54.520
So the next day, his son was riding one of the wild horses trying to tame it and train

01:29:54.520 --> 01:29:57.120
it, and he fell off and broke his leg.

01:29:57.120 --> 01:30:00.320
And the neighbors came and said, "Oh, your son broke his leg, what are you gonna do now?

01:30:00.320 --> 01:30:02.840
You can't run the farm without your son."

01:30:02.840 --> 01:30:05.040
And the farmer said, "Well, we'll see."

01:30:05.040 --> 01:30:08.960
And the next day, the army came through and they were conscripting all the young men to

01:30:08.960 --> 01:30:11.200
join and go off to battle.

01:30:11.200 --> 01:30:13.200
And you know, there you go.

01:30:13.200 --> 01:30:17.160
I mean, he couldn't go because he had a broken leg.

01:30:17.160 --> 01:30:20.380
Yeah, what a great, great story.

01:30:20.380 --> 01:30:25.320
And if we just stay in this neutral, I call it the neutral positive.

01:30:25.320 --> 01:30:28.640
You know, we're neutral, we're not attached, but we've got hope.

01:30:28.640 --> 01:30:29.640
Right?

01:30:29.640 --> 01:30:34.640
If we stay in that place, that, you know, it's going to get us through.

01:30:34.640 --> 01:30:40.960
Yeah, and recognize that there's some kind of divine orchestration calling the shots.

01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:41.960
Yeah.

01:30:41.960 --> 01:30:48.080
And that the Holy Spirit is inside us, as I write in that other book, Good Morning, Henry.

01:30:48.080 --> 01:30:51.580
The Holy Spirit is our body intelligence.

01:30:51.580 --> 01:30:55.080
It is in here and it is awakening.

01:30:55.080 --> 01:30:58.200
It's awakening every cell in our body.

01:30:58.200 --> 01:30:59.200
That's happening.

01:30:59.200 --> 01:31:01.480
A couple of questions came in.

01:31:01.480 --> 01:31:05.120
This one is from Matthew McCartan in Uxbridge, Ontario.

01:31:05.120 --> 01:31:09.760
He says, "Could you say something about the importance of the relationship of the birth

01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:14.240
of the higher self and the simultaneous birth of intuitive gifts?

01:31:14.240 --> 01:31:18.560
I have learned that this is critical to perceive the hidden creative dimensions of reality

01:31:18.560 --> 01:31:22.600
and the only way past our common problems."

01:31:22.600 --> 01:31:25.840
Intuition is a high spiritual gift.

01:31:25.840 --> 01:31:34.400
And just as you, Rick, spoke earlier about gradations of evolution and that God is evolving,

01:31:34.400 --> 01:31:40.800
I believe it's the same with our intuition, that we become more and more and more and

01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:43.160
more intuitive.

01:31:43.160 --> 01:31:51.220
After a certain point, it's a kind of knowing that happens, and knowing is quicker than any

01:31:51.220 --> 01:32:00.220
kind of mental process of going back and forth looking for reasons or concrete evidence or

01:32:00.220 --> 01:32:01.220
anything.

01:32:01.220 --> 01:32:02.220
It's just a knowing.

01:32:02.220 --> 01:32:03.680
>> Rick Okay, good.

01:32:03.680 --> 01:32:08.300
The next question is also from Matthew McCartan in Uxbridge, Ontario.

01:32:08.300 --> 01:32:12.020
He says, "Could you also comment on the importance of Rudolf Steiner?

01:32:12.020 --> 01:32:16.140
I feel Rick's show has not connected with the importance of this spiritual teacher, too

01:32:16.140 --> 01:32:20.220
often associated with theosophy, but only in error."

01:32:20.220 --> 01:32:27.340
>> Well, interesting he mentions this because in one of my books, "Summer with the Leprechauns,"

01:32:27.340 --> 01:32:34.740
which was one of my earlier books, the elementals, Lloyd, talks about meeting Rudolf Steiner,

01:32:34.740 --> 01:32:38.140
who was the founder of Anthroposophy.

01:32:38.140 --> 01:32:44.140
Now many, many, many Anthroposophists come and study with me.

01:32:44.140 --> 01:32:50.480
And I find this quite interesting that there is this fractal in my life.

01:32:50.480 --> 01:32:54.900
You know how if you look at the fractals in your life, you say, "Oh, this is really quite

01:32:54.900 --> 01:32:55.900
interesting."

01:32:55.900 --> 01:33:03.260
Well, I have a fractal which I attract anthroposophists from all different countries, and I am not

01:33:03.260 --> 01:33:05.040
an anthroposophist.

01:33:05.040 --> 01:33:08.260
I believe he was a medium.

01:33:08.260 --> 01:33:10.020
He was a mystic.

01:33:10.020 --> 01:33:15.740
He brought so many pioneer forms into the world.

01:33:15.740 --> 01:33:21.040
He brought biodynamic gardening, which is more organic than organic.

01:33:21.040 --> 01:33:24.460
He brought the Waldorf systems of education.

01:33:24.460 --> 01:33:27.380
He brought doctors, a certain kind of healing.

01:33:27.380 --> 01:33:31.300
He brought a kind of movement, urithymy.

01:33:31.300 --> 01:33:40.260
He was to plant seeds in many different disciplines around higher ways of looking at things.

01:33:40.260 --> 01:33:43.340
So he only lived to his mid-60s.

01:33:43.340 --> 01:33:45.180
I think he did a marvelous job.

01:33:45.180 --> 01:33:46.180
Yeah.

01:33:46.180 --> 01:33:49.380
Sounds like he must have been an L hybrid or something.

01:33:49.380 --> 01:33:52.860
I think he might have been, actually.

01:33:52.860 --> 01:33:58.140
So there's a lot of things in your books, and I heard many points as I was listening

01:33:58.140 --> 01:33:59.140
to your books.

01:33:59.140 --> 01:34:02.740
"Oh, it'd be fun to talk about that." But I didn't take notes, because I figured we'd

01:34:02.740 --> 01:34:08.820
just go with whatever came up. Is there anything that you'd really like to talk about that

01:34:08.820 --> 01:34:10.660
you feel that we haven't touched upon?

01:34:10.660 --> 01:34:15.500
Susan No, I think that the point I just made recently,

01:34:15.500 --> 01:34:22.820
just a minute ago, about Good Morning Henry, and speaking with our own body intelligence,

01:34:22.820 --> 01:34:31.260
that this is actually the Holy Spirit. And Eckhart Tolle said it, I believe it too, and

01:34:31.260 --> 01:34:38.860
he's talking about consciousness. The way through is not to go beyond the body, it's to go through

01:34:38.860 --> 01:34:46.300
the body. And we've been talking about this. There's three aspects to the Holy Trinity.

01:34:46.300 --> 01:34:52.740
There's the Holy Spirit, which is the Divine Mother, Sophia, which is consciousness in

01:34:52.740 --> 01:34:54.340
form.

01:34:54.340 --> 01:34:56.060
That is consciousness in form.

01:34:56.060 --> 01:35:00.260
It's the active intelligence of the Creator.

01:35:00.260 --> 01:35:04.420
There's God the Father, which is on scene, unknown, omniscient.

01:35:04.420 --> 01:35:08.300
And there's God the Son, Christ Jesus, love.

01:35:08.300 --> 01:35:13.900
So the first one that most of us is going to encounter, the first one that most of us

01:35:13.900 --> 01:35:21.780
encounter, and the most accessible for us is the Holy Spirit. We can call that our conscience,

01:35:21.780 --> 01:35:29.660
we can call it our higher self, we can call it our deep knowing, it's the Spirit giving

01:35:29.660 --> 01:35:36.380
us our feeling of rightness, our moral compass. Do you have anything to say about that, Rick?

01:35:36.380 --> 01:35:38.860
Rick Well, what came to mind as you said that is

01:35:38.860 --> 01:35:46.540
that for a number of years I've had a great concern about the moral fiber of spiritual

01:35:46.540 --> 01:35:52.060
teachers because there have been so many instances in which spiritual teachers have behaved immorally

01:35:52.060 --> 01:35:58.380
and have harmed their students. And it has puzzled me because you figure that, I mean,

01:35:58.380 --> 01:36:02.420
you associate saintliness with enlightenment or higher consciousness, but there are so

01:36:02.420 --> 01:36:08.260
many well-known spiritual teachers who've behaved like naughty high school boys in their

01:36:08.260 --> 01:36:12.860
behavior, not world teachers. And so I actually helped to found an organization called the

01:36:12.860 --> 01:36:19.260
Association for Spiritual Integrity, and we now have over 700 members and over 50-something

01:36:19.260 --> 01:36:23.860
organizational members, and we've given presentations at Harvard Divinity School and

01:36:23.860 --> 01:36:29.500
the Parliament of World Religions and things like that. I just feel like greater appreciation

01:36:29.500 --> 01:36:37.740
of ethics is sorely needed in the contemporary spiritual world because as we've been speaking

01:36:37.740 --> 01:36:42.940
about, you know, the beautiful changes that humanity might undergo. If spirituality is

01:36:42.940 --> 01:36:50.540
the most fundamental engine behind those changes, then teachers who behave egregiously with

01:36:50.540 --> 01:36:58.580
their students are sabotaging the whole enterprise. And it has implications far beyond the harm

01:36:58.580 --> 01:37:01.140
that they're doing to themselves and their students.

01:37:01.140 --> 01:37:06.580
Yeah. I think that's wonderful what you're talking about. And I didn't know you had

01:37:06.580 --> 01:37:11.540
I formed this organization and I'll send you a link to it. I'd like to join it good

01:37:11.540 --> 01:37:16.020
Yeah, you should put a little note right out here in your little chat box

01:37:16.020 --> 01:37:21.860
So other people can know about it because I think that's very important and as I said earlier

01:37:21.860 --> 01:37:27.540
Sometimes I sit on ideas for decades before I release them into the world

01:37:27.540 --> 01:37:29.540
because

01:37:29.540 --> 01:37:33.300
It's not just what I do with my sexuality, which is important

01:37:33.380 --> 01:37:38.180
although people can look at my sexuality and not find that I'm sleeping with any of my students,

01:37:38.180 --> 01:37:40.820
which is good, but also…

01:37:40.820 --> 01:37:43.460
Pete: Well, you aren't, but a lot of teachers are.

01:37:43.460 --> 01:37:47.700
Susan: No, I know, but I'm just saying, I'm just speaking, you know, Irish humor, right?

01:37:47.700 --> 01:37:53.620
So, it's not just our sexuality, I think, when we're talking about moral integrity.

01:37:53.620 --> 01:38:02.500
We have to look at what we're even talking about. And that's why I don't write a book or release it

01:38:02.500 --> 01:38:13.220
until I really have done as much inward and outward searching to confirm my right ideas,

01:38:13.220 --> 01:38:18.660
because misleading people is also a moral error.

01:38:18.660 --> 01:38:24.100
Yeah, that's very good. Very important. I was talking with a friend this morning who's a

01:38:24.100 --> 01:38:30.100
spiritual teacher, and she was saying how it seems to her that a rather high percentage of

01:38:30.100 --> 01:38:33.700
of spiritual teachers are narcissists.

01:38:33.700 --> 01:38:37.440
Narcissistic personality disorder people are attracted to the profession because of the

01:38:37.440 --> 01:38:38.660
attention they get.

01:38:38.660 --> 01:38:40.820
Maybe it happens with politicians too.

01:38:40.820 --> 01:38:42.800
And maybe, Irene is saying.

01:38:42.800 --> 01:38:48.380
And that, of course, it's a vicious circle where the attention amplifies their narcissism

01:38:48.380 --> 01:38:52.020
and then, you know, it's kind of a feedback loop.

01:38:52.020 --> 01:38:53.980
You are a therapist, right?

01:38:53.980 --> 01:38:54.980
You are.

01:38:54.980 --> 01:39:02.020
I understand that narcissism is a very entrenched and intractable personality trait, very hard to

01:39:02.020 --> 01:39:09.540
unwind and eliminate. So I think it kind of is incumbent upon students to use their discrimination

01:39:09.540 --> 01:39:15.780
and evaluate teachers and not assume that a misbehavior on the part of a teacher is some

01:39:15.780 --> 01:39:20.500
kind of crazy wisdom. It could just mean that the guy has some serious problems and you should

01:39:20.500 --> 01:39:25.700
probably leave. Yeah, you say discrimination, I always say discernment. And yes,

01:39:25.700 --> 01:39:31.620
yeah, it's the same word. We want to keep our critical awareness, always critical thinking

01:39:31.620 --> 01:39:37.060
skills. It's another one. It's very important to keep our critical awareness, not just with

01:39:37.060 --> 01:39:43.380
a spiritual teacher, but with everything you hear everything, everything. And of course,

01:39:43.380 --> 01:39:48.820
there's that saying do your own research. Yeah. But if you're not a molecular biologist,

01:39:48.820 --> 01:39:54.740
or whatever, you might want to give a little bit more weight to the opinions of people who

01:39:54.740 --> 01:39:59.780
actually study the stuff deeply than be an armchair expert yourself.

01:39:59.780 --> 01:40:06.980
Susan: That's right. And if we develop this inner moral compass, which we're talking about the Holy

01:40:06.980 --> 01:40:15.380
Spirit in us, the body intelligence in us, if our body soul, if we develop it, we have that discernment

01:40:15.380 --> 01:40:21.700
in spades. And it doesn't matter what people say, we feel it. We feel where they're at,

01:40:21.700 --> 01:40:24.660
no matter what words are coming out of their mouth.

01:40:24.660 --> 01:40:29.220
Pete: Yeah. And of course, it's like riding a bicycle, you have to keep balancing. You know,

01:40:29.220 --> 01:40:34.580
you can't just, you know, figure, okay, I'm balanced, I'm good. What was his name?

01:40:34.580 --> 01:40:39.940
Buddha Sage. But anyway, his name will come to me, but he said, "Although my awareness is as

01:40:39.940 --> 01:40:45.380
vast as the sky, my attention to karma is as fine as a grain of barley flour."

01:40:45.380 --> 01:40:51.700
Oh, shivers. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I often say to people,

01:40:51.700 --> 01:41:01.700
don't judge yourself by anyone else. Only you know when you are off, and only you have the

01:41:01.700 --> 01:41:08.660
responsibility to get yourself back in. Some other person may not even know it, but you know it. And

01:41:08.660 --> 01:41:14.600
And at a certain point, when we haven't developed our frequency so much, I guess, maybe we haven't

01:41:14.600 --> 01:41:20.380
had so many lives, we are allowed many more errors.

01:41:20.380 --> 01:41:28.080
But the more that we are, you know, becoming more spiritual, more committed, more dedicated,

01:41:28.080 --> 01:41:34.440
being given more gifts, more responsibility, it has to be like this.

01:41:34.440 --> 01:41:39.440
So we can't judge ourselves or think anything is permitted.

01:41:39.440 --> 01:41:42.740
You know, "Oh, they can do it, why not me?"

01:41:42.740 --> 01:41:47.740
Oh no, we may be on a very tight rein of what we're allowed.

01:41:47.740 --> 01:41:51.740
- That's a very good point.

01:41:51.740 --> 01:41:54.600
Carlos Castaneda's teacher, Don Juan, said,

01:41:54.600 --> 01:41:58.160
he used the word warrior to refer to a spiritual aspirant.

01:41:58.160 --> 01:42:02.200
He said, "A warrior has time only for his impeccability."

01:42:02.200 --> 01:42:03.600
- Yeah, that's right.

01:42:03.600 --> 01:42:10.000
It's this moral compass, the impeccability, and ultimately when we die, that is who judges

01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:11.000
us.

01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:12.120
We judge ourselves.

01:42:12.120 --> 01:42:19.360
We see everything and we know everything where we made an error and everything where we...

01:42:19.360 --> 01:42:20.360
Well done.

01:42:20.360 --> 01:42:21.360
Yeah.

01:42:21.360 --> 01:42:22.360
Well done.

01:42:22.360 --> 01:42:23.360
Okay.

01:42:23.360 --> 01:42:24.360
Well, well done, Tannis.

01:42:24.360 --> 01:42:27.720
We've had a great chat, haven't we?

01:42:27.720 --> 01:42:28.720
Yeah, we have.

01:42:28.720 --> 01:42:30.280
I've really enjoyed it.

01:42:30.280 --> 01:42:33.720
I'm sure we could go on for another two hours, but I'm not sure the audience would stay with

01:42:33.720 --> 01:42:34.720
us.

01:42:34.720 --> 01:42:35.720
No.

01:42:35.720 --> 01:42:39.120
As you said, it's been freewheeling and it's been wonderful.

01:42:39.120 --> 01:42:40.120
Yeah.

01:42:40.120 --> 01:42:41.400
Getting to know you.

01:42:41.400 --> 01:42:42.880
Yeah, and to know you.

01:42:42.880 --> 01:42:43.880
Thank you so much.

01:42:43.880 --> 01:42:47.280
I really love this aspect of what I do.

01:42:47.280 --> 01:42:51.640
It's just meeting wonderful people like you and building this web of friendships around

01:42:51.640 --> 01:42:52.640
the world.

01:42:52.640 --> 01:42:53.640
Yeah.

01:42:53.640 --> 01:42:55.080
This is the most important thing.

01:42:55.080 --> 01:42:58.240
You're doing really wonderful, wonderful work.

01:42:58.240 --> 01:43:03.240
Thank you for your 15 years of committed, dedicated service.

01:43:03.240 --> 01:43:06.200
Well, thank you for everything you've been doing.

01:43:06.200 --> 01:43:08.360
We're all on the same team, playing different positions.

01:43:08.360 --> 01:43:09.360
Yeah, we're all.

01:43:09.360 --> 01:43:13.400
Some people are pitchers, some are catchers, some are shortstops, whatever.

01:43:13.400 --> 01:43:14.400
That's right, yeah.

01:43:14.400 --> 01:43:21.520
Some are dogs, Irene, so we've got a couple of those down here wanting snacks.

01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:26.360
And we talked earlier about how my partner is an angel hybrid.

01:43:26.360 --> 01:43:28.360
Now your wife, your partner...

01:43:28.360 --> 01:43:30.360
Are you asking me what she is?

01:43:30.360 --> 01:43:32.360
I don't know. What kind of hybrid are you, Irene?

01:43:32.360 --> 01:43:42.360
Are you a leprechaun, a brownie, a pixie, a goblin, a troll, an elf, a tree deva, an angel, a pan, or a dragon, or a bee?

01:43:42.360 --> 01:43:44.360
[laughter]

01:43:44.360 --> 01:43:45.360
How do you think you're a pan?

01:43:45.360 --> 01:43:48.360
I don't know. We'll have to get you on the phone with Tana sometime.

01:43:48.360 --> 01:43:50.360
She can diagnose you.

01:43:50.360 --> 01:43:52.360
[laughter]

01:43:52.360 --> 01:43:54.360
She says she's something weird, that's for sure.

01:43:54.360 --> 01:44:01.160
Well, that is a common thing with hybrids too, is they always feel that they're a little

01:44:01.160 --> 01:44:02.160
bit different.

01:44:02.160 --> 01:44:03.160
Which is a good thing.

01:44:03.160 --> 01:44:05.280
It is a good thing.

01:44:05.280 --> 01:44:08.600
Find out our uniqueness and then work with it.

01:44:08.600 --> 01:44:09.600
Yeah.

01:44:09.600 --> 01:44:15.400
All right, well thanks so much, and thanks to those who've been listening or watching.

01:44:15.400 --> 01:44:20.600
You'll have a page on BatGap, and I'll put links to your books and your websites on there,

01:44:20.600 --> 01:44:22.600
and people can get in touch with you through those.

01:44:22.600 --> 01:44:25.760
And besides your books, what have you got going on?

01:44:25.760 --> 01:44:26.760
Webinars and...

01:44:26.760 --> 01:44:31.880
Yeah, I have a Visit Magical World starting in January.

01:44:31.880 --> 01:44:38.480
January 9th, we're going to be studying three of my books over three months.

01:44:38.480 --> 01:44:44.240
We'll be starting with Good Morning Henry, which is about our body, intelligence, or

01:44:44.240 --> 01:44:45.520
Holy Spirit in us.

01:44:45.520 --> 01:44:50.480
Then we're going on to Hybrid So You Think You're Human to find out what kind of hybrid

01:44:50.480 --> 01:44:52.160
those people are.

01:44:52.160 --> 01:44:57.000
And then we're going to go on to the Dragon's Tale and people will find out more about the

01:44:57.000 --> 01:45:00.120
dragon's message and working with dragons.

01:45:00.120 --> 01:45:03.480
Pete: Those are the three books I read, and in that order.

01:45:03.480 --> 01:45:04.480
[Laughter]

01:45:04.480 --> 01:45:05.480
Susan: And in that order.

01:45:05.480 --> 01:45:09.560
And the reason we're doing over three months with this is to give people a chance to read

01:45:09.560 --> 01:45:17.080
it, but my intention on this whole series of Visit Magical Worlds is help people to raise

01:45:17.080 --> 01:45:18.080
their frequency.

01:45:18.080 --> 01:45:20.080
That is the intention.

01:45:20.080 --> 01:45:24.920
And there's all kinds of other things, you've got little courses and meditations and whatnot

01:45:24.920 --> 01:45:28.080
that one can download, so that's all on your website.

01:45:28.080 --> 01:45:29.280
All there.

01:45:29.280 --> 01:45:32.840
And so, since people might be watching this three years from now, you're talking about

01:45:32.840 --> 01:45:38.080
January of 2025, but they can just check in on your website and see what's going on then.

01:45:38.080 --> 01:45:44.240
Yep, I always work in Europe, May and June, so I'll be in four different countries and

01:45:44.240 --> 01:45:49.920
can catch me there or I'll just write another book or I'll see them in astral realms.

01:45:49.920 --> 01:45:54.560
Yeah, all right, well keep having fun and doing great things.

01:45:54.560 --> 01:45:58.800
Yeah, and thanks for having me. I really, really loved our chat.

01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:03.160
Me too, thank you. And again, thanks to those who've been listening or watching and if you

01:46:03.160 --> 01:46:09.360
haven't ever visited the BatGap website, please do that and check out the menus and you'll

01:46:09.360 --> 01:46:12.120
You'll find some interesting things there.

01:46:12.120 --> 01:46:15.040
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