That's why we have so many near-death experiences is that we have such amazing modern medicine.
Yeah.
In the old days, most people who have end-to-ease would have just died.
But I think we have those experiences not just because of modern medicine.
I think we crave the reminder of who we are.
Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump.
My name is Rick Archer.
Today I'll be speaking with Efrat Shokef, PhD. Efrat is a mother to three spiritually aware teens,
a daughter, wife, sister, writer, teacher, cosmic journeyer, a shamanic energy healing practitioner
working primarily with children, teens, parents and families, and author of The Promise We Made,
three universal soul promises we made to our children,
near-death experience and the parenting teachings it invites.
Efrat was severely injured in a car crash and experienced a profound near-death
experience when her three daughters were all still
younger than four. Her journey of physical recovery, the
integration of her NDE, and at the same time her inability to
participate in the caretaking of her daughters sent
center on a quest to the essence of motherhood.
What makes us our children's parent beyond the doing?
Efrat believes that when parents know or remember that they are more than their physical bodies
or their confused, wounded emotions, they can recognize the luminosity of their children.
When we all accept that we are on a journey of growth, we can mirror the possibility of
this earthly journey to the children in our lives.
When we walk our essence and connect to who we are at our core, we can see that same luminosity
in everyone, beyond gender, race, ethnicity, or age.
Respecting all others, including our children, dependent humans, yet also powerful, experienced
souls becomes a way of life.
In this conversation, Efrat and I cover a number of points.
we plan the life we are going to live before we are born, including choosing our parents;
navigating parenting in a noisy, chaotic world; Ephrath's NDE, which included an out-of-body
experience in which she encountered otherworldly beings who gave her a bird's-eye view of the
evolutionary value of earthly experiences; embracing death as a transition, not an extinction;
the potential inaccuracy of channeled information and the importance of self-sufficiency;
the existence of special souls throughout the world, the potential spiritual guidance in
everyday events, dreaming a better world into being, and choosing compassionate paths for
humanity.
But especially, we talked about spiritual parenting, which is Efrat's main focus.
This included understanding children's healing process, energetic communication between parents
and children, understanding indigo and crystal children,
supporting sensitive and autistic children,
encouraging children's belief in their superpowers,
and the purpose of parenting and life alignment.
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I hope you enjoy this conversation with Efrat Shokev
as much as I did.
Thank you.
Welcome Efra, it's good to be with you.
Hi Rik, thank you for having me, it's an honor.
You're welcome, it's an honor to have you.
I enjoyed your book, I listened to the whole thing as I usually try to do with my guests,
mostly while walking in the woods. It was quite a harrowing story, your car crash was so
severe and your recovery so arduous, but you were really heroic in the way you managed the whole
thing. But before we get into that, what's your PhD and what was your academic training?
Social organizational psychology, specialized in multicultural
teams, group dynamics, multicultural group dynamics, stuff like that.
Okay, what do people who specialize like that actually do?
Work in the corporate world from an organizational perspective. I was counseling
multinational organizations from a research perspective, because I was doing research,
managing their multicultural teams, bridging the differences, finding the global unified
perspectives, those pieces that allow us to see each other as humans and then work together beyond,
I guess, the differences. Well, that's good. I have an old friend here in town named Tom Morgan
who's been doing that professionally for years and you know he helps people not act like idiots when
they go and interact with some people from another culture. Good. There was an interesting precursor
to your car accident. I think this was like four days beforehand you were in some gathering or
something with some people and with your kids and you had the thought "I want to be their mother"
which is kind of weird because you already were their mother but it's almost like a precognition
or yeah, premonition of something that was going to happen.
Yeah, yeah. My toddler was in our daycare and the twins were still at home with me and
they were 13 months old and we had this group of moms and babies of the community.
Many had children my older daughter's age, my first, they were in daycare and we gathered
in my house at that time to celebrate the twins' first year. It was like their first birthday
Together it was already 13 months and for me it was a celebration of managing this first year of being a mom to three little ones
twins just you know feeling i'm okay i'm starting to breathe
And a number of pieces interesting with direct respect for what happened there, but I invited as a group facilitator
It was very natural for me to invite the moms
For sharing and I asked other moms, uh, please share what motherhood
means to you
I wasn't aware that I was actually outlining my quest
A quest that I would recognize much later when I was trying to define what makes me a mom when i'm unable to do all those
defined actions
And I was last in the circle as a host and I had plenty I planned to say and be grateful to this
amazing group of moms that was so helpful afterwards after the car crash
And I was unable to say word now i'm a talkative redhead. I usually it's fine
And
I couldn't
Make a sound out of my mouth and then all I managed to
Whisper was
I want to be their mother
And everyone was quiet
A good friend sitting next to me was like, are you okay? What's going on?
And I had no idea what was going on or what I was saying
and you know babies were crawling around and the circle just
started to get up and move and do things and
I wrote it down. That's it
And I returned to that piece only
Later when I started integrating what had happened
And again in retrospect, it's so easy to see things in retrospect
I know it was a really deep prayer
on my behalf
that whatever happens, whatever I've planned for my journey, I want to stay here for my
daughters. That was the one motivation, the one thing that was important and is still
the main motivation in my life. I want to be here for them.
And this topic will come up during our conversation because one of the themes, one of the things
you learned since then is that we do plan out our life in many respects. So, we'll talk about that
more, but you must have somehow been subliminally aware of that intention, you know, that now
becomes so dominant in your life and at that point was maybe taken for granted.
>>Sarah: Yeah, I never took motherhood for granted. I always knew that as soon as I would become a mom,
I would be total and just push everything aside.
It wasn't something that surprised anyone around me,
but that piece of premonition and the power it had on me,
it still has in a good way because, you know,
I unweaved any energetic binding it held.
So I know it's the good driving force for me.
Understanding that that's part of my journey.
It's an integral part of who I am for them,
who they are for me.
we as a nuclear family, our shared journey walking together. I think that's true for everyone,
but for me it's a very prominent motivation.
All right, let's move right to the car crash. It was quite a watershed moment in your life.
Give us an account of that day.
Felt like a regular day as it started. My husband felt he needed to stay home to work,
which was very good. So he stayed home and it was the one week I was teaching at the time because I
was mostly home with my twins and I nursed the twins together. An amazing embracement
I hold physically in my body as a memory. And my mom came to watch them and she was there with
them for the morning. I took my toddler to her daycare which was a village. We live in an
Area was small villages. It was dry for one village to another
not a main road
and
It was as if I had time. I usually didn't spend time, you know, just sitting and talking to friends while leaving and
And I did and I was supposed to drive to the college. I was teaching at the time
What I remember is it took me a long time to turn left into the main road
Out of the village something didn't happen before I didn't remember I was waiting for so long
There were lots of cars passing and then it was my turn and I turned left and as soon as I turned left
I don't remember anything but a sense of a boom. I did not see the other car coming
I did not feel my car
Spinning or anything. I did not feel the cars crashing. I just had a sense of a boom
And I was out of my body in the most beautiful place there is
I learned what happened only afterwards. Was it a head-on?
It was head to head the other driver slipped
She's a good friend now
Which is another story
Or maybe it's not another story, you know
It's like I was waiting to turn left because it was a moment of us crashing
And when I met this woman years later
I felt such deep love
such soul love that I know that that moment of us crashing into one another, I feel like she loves
me so much at the soul level that she was willing to take responsibility for this crash happening
and create it in our literal earthly life so that I would get the kick that I needed to show up
in those elements that I needed to show up for. I've actually heard this from a number of near
near-death experience people that major players in their lives, they have almost
pre-arranged the interaction. Even if it's something rather horrific, you know, like
I'm gonna try to murder you or rape you or in this case nearly kill you in a car
crash, and it's almost like the conversation goes something like, "Well I
have to have this experience. Would you volunteer to have a head-on collision
with me? Oh no, I don't want to do that. I love you too much. I couldn't do that. No,
please I need this and all right I'll do it. Yeah you hear that kind of
explanation from people who have had these NDEs. I think that along my life I
was given opportunities to show up and possibly avoid this big car crash and
you just experience situations but I did not show up I was really really afraid to
show up and connect to all those abilities that I carry and until I met
her and felt that pure divine love that flows between us. I didn't think that we would arrange
something like this. But yes, I understand today that sometimes those who love us most are willing
to help us reach and become what we plan to become. And she helped me and then I helped her
and we're walking this journey together now. So it's an amazing gift that I've received
unintentionally. It was very hard for our environments, our people, we live in close communities.
To even understand that it's possible to be friends with someone who created such a mess in my life.
But this mess was a big blessing for us, you know, again in retrospect.
There's a verse in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras that goes, "Hayam dukkha managatam," which means,
"Avert the danger which has not yet come." And the idea is that maybe you could stub your toe
instead of break your leg if you take certain measures to minimize the karma that you're
going to have to go through. I really relate to that and I think that's part of what's driving
me also in my work with children today that I know that if we give them the tools to stay aligned to
who they are then they will still go through the lessons and the journey they planned but again it
it will be dipping their toe, not having to drown in stormy water because something has
to get their attention.
I question this a lot about myself as well.
If I had grown up with spiritual tools and nourishment to my spiritual abilities, could
I have avoided this whole car crash and E, which turned out to be a blessing.
But I do ask that question and I look at my daughters and I look at the teens and children
that I work with and wow, they're aligned to their selves and they know to discern what
is theirs and what is not in a very chaotic, confused environment.
So I think we can go through our journey and unweave and experience and everything, but
without a lot of the unneeded human drama.
Yeah, yeah.
We've made for ourselves.
I'm sure many of us imagine how we might have lived our teenage years, for instance, had we known then
what we know now. In my case, not doing a lot of things that were very destructive and that I
probably had to spend years repairing. But in any case, obviously, if you're a parent and you can
instill those values in children at a young age, then hopefully they won't go through such turbulent,
Destructive behaviors
Yeah, I think that if they need to go through it for whatever reason they will find a way to go through it
Because that is part of what they set for their journey
But there are so many ways to learn the same lesson
And there are easier ways and there are tougher ways
and sometimes we need to go through the tough stuff because
It makes us more compassionate. It makes us understand others and be able to guide them when they go through something like that
But I think that I will say it in a different way
Our reality and the reality in which we are raising children today is a very noisy one
competition
horrible values
noise
social media
Social media
I usually use the word confusion
Parents are confused because they don't have their tribe or community or clarity
On how to guide their children and especially if their kids are spiritually aware ones and bring all kinds of gifts that they don't know how to handle
Obviously everything is more dramatic and the journeys are becoming much more
complex
When we do manage to give the children tools from a very early age
We make a difference
and we help them stay aligned to who they are and then
managing school environments does not become easier,
but it does not hurt them as much.
We chose to homeschool, especially because of those reasons,
because of understanding that even in a good school
and with amazing teachers, humans that really, really care,
they are just unable when they have so many kids in class,
so many issues to deal with, and it's just impossible.
So would my journey look different
If I was nourished the way I nourish my girls today and nourish other kids, maybe
But I didn't even my friend to the car crash
To give me this gift
of
stopping my life
And building it from the start in a new way
Well, I want to get back to your near-death experience in a second
But i've just reminded that just this past week australia passed a law
That children under the age of 16 can't be on social media
They're not allowed to have access to it
There must be some kind of youth revolt going on in australia right now, but
What do you think of that? I think that's very healthy. I don't think that's very realistic
because
Find ways around it probably they find ways around it and parents fall into it as well
So they give their kids the phone so they won't
my girls were in a school where phones were not allowed until the eighth grade and
Most parents kept that agreement and those kids who did have phones they had a like this stupid little phones. They don't have any
internet connection, right
But then the kids would take their parents phones at home and would see stuff and be exposed
So I think sometimes guiding kids on how to use social media. Well
Is healthier than taking it away from them?
But if you take it away from the parents as well the kids that would work really really
Yeah
Okay, so back to your near-death experience. So there was this boom
and obviously you didn't even know you'd been in an accident because all of a
sudden you're in another realm. Spend some time describing that.
I was unaware I had a car crash. I was unaware I was out of my body.
I wasn't thinking about what was happening down there or my daughter's or
anything. I was just embraced in the most
beautiful space there is. At first I felt I was flowing forward
And at some point I noticed I was not floating forward alone. There were other beings
human figures that were floating forward
with me
no interaction between us, but
It was like a stream flow of humans in retrospect. I understood that these were all souls that died
Ended their journey and were returning home
Was it that those were israelis fellow israelis or could they have been from all over the world?
All over the world. I couldn't pinpoint any shared characteristic other than the moment of
floating forward. And at some point, other beings, some of them was a human figure,
some of them was a more luminous long figure, one of so an orb, like all kinds of
beings were floating forward towards us. Like a welcoming committee.
No one was welcoming myself, but they were welcoming the others that were floating forward with me.
A really beautiful picture of embrace, of energetic embrace. The familiarity of some of those was very,
very noticed and those floating forward with me were just happy to float forward.
But I was unable to. At some point I reached this invisible barrier. I was not able to
flowed forward with the others and others were coming and
Welcomed and going forward and I was just there
I didn't mind because it was also luminous
and
beautiful and
I felt like I was
Love was bubbling into my cells, you know, it wasn't my physical form, but I still feel it in my physical form
Even now you feel it. Yeah, whenever I share this story, you can feel it
Or study meditation and connect to that feeling I I feel it in myself
It was being accepted
Totally accepted completely accepted loved just as I am there was no faults. There was nothing wrong
No thoughts of I should do this. I should do that. Just this deep deep deep stillness and
Feeling I am whole
I was hearing a bit of music far away
It was all just serene and amazing amazing. I am willing to die daily as long as I come back to be my daughter's mother
As long as I need him
At that in some point a figure came towards me. It looked like my grandfather
I leave it open whether it was my grandfather or was it my higher guidance?
I recognize it today after working and evolving and and learning a lot of things
I recognize the frequency and I know it is a frequency of my higher guidance, but I saw it as my grandfather
And there was this telepathic communication of love that everything was okay
I'm a really warm welcome, but he was coming towards me and we were not crossing that barrier
And from that point on he invited me and we were just there to this really large
white shimmering balcony
And I don't know if to describe it as if the balcony was floating above earth
Or whether earth was spinning below the balcony doesn't matter
I was shown a lot a lot of human interactions
beautiful
sad
little details
broader perspectives a lot of things with children
And how we raise them. I didn't understand at the time how that's related to me, but it felt like a few days
There was so much information about what humanity is about in the essence of humanity and the challenges of humanity
And I just absorbed it all I wasn't um in any
awareness or
Cognitive mental ability to analyze what I saw just absorbed it and I was given explanations
And at some point he just said okay
It's your time to go back and I didn't even have a chance to say wait. This is so beautiful here
You know, why do I have to go back?
I wasn't asked and I think I knew within me that I wasn't
to stay
where I was and I was just floating backwards and there was another boom because I fell into my very
fatally injured body
from that point on I was uh
Coming in and out of my body was impossible to stay in my physical
painful bleeding injured body
I saw a fire come at the front of the car and the fire people are putting it down and
And I wasn't still in any awareness that there was a car crash and something happened
I was just going in and out in and out in and out every time you went out
Did you go back to that heavenly area? No, no, no. No, I didn't go back to that heavenly area
I was just losing consciousness or oh floating above your body. Okay. Yeah coming in like an out-of-body experience, right?
Very close to my body
I returned to that dimensions later when I was in the icu already
And there was this really really nice guy that did not see the car crash happen, but stopped and he's a neighbor here
And the paramedics told him talk to her talk to her talk to her and he was really
Concerned he saw the bases of the click connect at the back seat
So he was really concerned that there were babies in the car that flew out of the car
And he saw baby seats in the back seat just the base of the click connect. I see
The seats were not there just a base
He was really concerned and he kept asking me were there any babies with you?
Were there any babies with you and I was I felt like I was answering his question, but he didn't hear anything
My eyes were rolling. I was barely breathing
And then at some point I came back into my body for a few seconds or a moment and I said
No babies were with me. I gave him I was very clear
I gave him my husband's name. They have the same name. I gave him my home phone number
And I told him calling and telling to come over here was really close by
And then I just drifted away and at that point I was already not really floating above in and above I was just back
Into some luminous space of love
Uh, there was no additional guidance at that moment. Just just floating
Later when I was in the icu
I went back but it was to the same visions that I already experienced in my near-death experience. That's my understanding. I was like
Repeating those experiences within me and coming in and out experiencing more. That's my understanding of what happened
There was no really new piece that happened during those days
Yeah in my body out of my body in my body out of my body
Repeating until they reduced the anesthesia and brought me back
accepting
Smiling I was in a lot of pain and we had to learn how to manage the pain killers at that stage
But the reflection I received from other was like you're accepting things that just happened to you like you're supposed to be mad
You're supposed to
You're supposed to be
Deprived and it wasn't that I was joyful, but I was relaxed in a deep knowing that was beyond me
That now I can understand but I didn't understand at the time
That one reads in your book that your intestines were ripped into multiple pieces and you had all these broken bones
Yeah, and they had to open a stoma. That was a piece that really, really surprised them.
A stoma is like a little portal in your abdomen? Is that what that is?
Yeah, it's a portal in the abdomen that everything goes out to it, like into exchangeable bags.
Right, right.
It's a version of a diaper.
They were shocked that I was just relaxed. I said, "You saved my life. I will deal with this."
I didn't care about it. And I think that was a piece that, based on the physician's experience,
Is that was a piece that was really troubling many people?
I understand why it would be troubling but my reaction would was
This is something I can live with i'm here and i'm alive
And that's all that mattered eventually
I healed enough for that to be closed and I don't have to deal with it daily
But I know a lot of people that do deal with it daily and they have a full life
nobody knows
This is something I would often feel that oh if people knew that there are so many people with this condition
that would be so patient and would help others who experience this transition.
Sometimes the system doesn't work and this help is needed.
And we are fortunate to have such amazing modern medicine.
That saved my life.
Sure. That's why we have so many near-death experiences,
is that we have such amazing modern medicine.
In the old days, most people who have end-to-ease would have just died.
But now they come back through cardiac resuscitation and various things,
and they have all these marvelous experiences to report to us.
>> Yeah, but I think we have those experiences not just, you know, because of modern medicine,
I think we crave them as society. We crave the reminder of who we are. I know what my story does
to people, it's a reminder of the, it's real, it's real, it really happens. It's not about
believing anymore that something is beyond us, it's about knowing it myself. There are so many
of us, not just near-death experiences, all kinds of experiences, like in meditations, and receive
that inner confirmation. And life changes after you get this confirmation, because you can't be
just human. We are here to live a human life, but it's about embracing our spirituality into our
human life, and not just playing free will and doing whatever we want and getting confused.
No, for sure. I read quite a few NDE books before I started this show,
not knowing I was going to start this show, but I just found them fascinating. And I had already
been meditating for many years, so I had that kind of receptivity. But NDEs have always fascinated me
because I said this last week, last week I interviewed a guy who has stage four cancer.
And one point I brought up was that I feel like our understanding of what happens after you die
has a big effect on how we live. If you think you're going to hell or heaven, or you think it's
you're going to be totally lights out and you're going to utterly cease to exist.
I mean, all those different perspectives might really influence how you conduct your life.
And I know NDE people, people like James Van Praag and Betty Eadie and various others,
they say, "I'm not afraid of dying at all.
Kind of looking forward to it.
I'll enjoy my life as long as it lasts, but when I die, I know it's going to be fine."
I just saw a movie last night that had Raymond Burr in it, who used to play Perry Mason on
TV.
I remember hearing a story about when he was on his deathbed, he was utterly terrified of
death that he like tried to continue sitting up rather than lying down because he thought
it would prevent him from dying or something.
Now I think with your understanding of what death is and many of the people who are listening
to this show, that seems kind of absurd and unfortunate because it's not really something
to be so terrified of.
It's just a transition which could really be quite beautiful for people.
beautiful transition and it's going home. It's going to where we are back to our essence. It's
ending a journey. But we are disconnected from that piece of life and death, that cycle,
that rhythmic cycle. We're disconnected from it in so many elements of our life, not just our own
death. And then all people go to houses and they die in hospital instead of homes. And there's so
So many aspects of death that we have mistreated.
I'm not sure if I'm using all the politically correct words.
I apologize for that.
But when death is a really beautiful birth of a soul returning back to its essence, letting
go of heavy journey.
But for many people, it is sad.
They're so disconnected from who they are, from their essence, from their luminosity,
this cycle of life and death in nature, in everything, that it's very, very hard. I agree
with those who had NDEs. I am willing to die daily. And I visit those realms again and again and again
using shamanic journey and using meditations. It is possible for many people to experience it
in a different way. Rick Like you just said, you don't have to have an NDE. In fact, I hope I don't
have one because it's kind of like playing Russian roulette. I don't know what's going to happen.
but with practices, you know, shamanic journeying, meditation, etc., you can have the basically the
same experience. Yes, the same experience, just as powerful, opening up to it and remembering who
you are and that you are more. I think the point I find is that it teaches us what happens about
the afterlife and that there is a lot beyond our human existence, but I also find that it's really
important that we bring it down back to earth because we are here. I always ask myself,
so what does it teach me not about the afterlife, but what does it teach me about, as you said
earlier about how I want to live, how I want to interact with people, how I want to walk
my mission and be very grounded in my spirituality.
Good. I want to ask you more about that experience when you were standing on some kind of balcony
with your supposed grandfather overseeing vignettes on earth of large and small dramas.
Can you give us some more details about that?
>>S.SKERRITT I can give you general details.
I'm constantly guided not to share the little details of what I've seen.
I did not see the future of humanity.
I was seeing scenes of reality from different cultures, different groups, interactions of
parents and children, interactions in classroom, interactions among groups of children, interactions
around adults, I was seeing a lot of human confusion. I was giving numerous examples of human confusion
and how this confusion is created by often very good intentions. That would be a general
description. I apologize that I can't get into the details, but this is a guidance that I'm
constantly receiving. Don't go into those details. Just out of curiosity, why do you think that you
receive that guidance to not go into the details? Would it be like you'd be telling people stuff
they're supposed to figure out on their own and they're not supposed to be told?
That's an interesting question. I never questioned the guidance I received.
As long as you know it makes sense, it just always makes sense to me not to go into the details.
I think people catch up on some examples and then say this is how things are and this is
this and that. It's like when people channel information, this is something I personally
choose to avoid because I learned that if I channel a piece of information people catch onto it and
it's like, but wait, self-reference for a second. Do you know who gave me this information? And this
information has come through me and maybe I colored it a little bit because of my life experience and
how I say things and where I come from and so I really avoid those pieces. I love sharing tools,
I love sharing case studies, I love sharing ways of, questions of how to look at things.
But I do my best not to channel information, like the most channeled pieces that I share are the
mystical healing stories that I have on my website and I also share in the book at the beginning of
each chapter. It's like I see them and I share them as there is and I'm trusting that people
will get the energy that they need out of them. Yeah, I think I know what you mean. My most
popular interview is with a channeler, and I noticed that on various YouTube channels,
channelers and healers are very popular. But it's almost like people want someone who's going to do
it for them, who's going to tell them something rather than give them the tools to discover it or
learn it themselves. It's like that saying, "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him how
of fish and he eats for a lifetime. >>Exactly, exactly. And that's, with children I notice,
it's amazing because when they know how to connect within and listen to their own knowings,
and trust themselves because they gain experience, and they connect to their guidance,
and they have always someone to consult from within. So then they don't have to rely on what
other people say. And our society teaches us to be passive, passive consumers of information.
But that does not bring us to what we are. We're all co-creators or we all have the potential to be co-creators
if we show up
I love teaching kids how to do that because they have it anyway
It's more like pushing their button of remembering and often it's not even remembering. It's a button button of confirmation
Like what they're doing
Is right the younger they are the easier it is because they're not confused yet
Yeah, and then they know for themselves and they don't need to go to someone else to channel information
Not some people who channel are amazing amazing
but most
Things go through them through our human perceptions. You can't avoid that
It's like we can't presume we're clean. I don't presume that about myself and there are very few people
I have met such people but very few that I would trust the information that they would channel
but I have an open route myself and everyone can have their own open route if they're willing to
learn and it's not that difficult. Sure, so what you're saying essentially is that the information
can get distorted as it passes through a imperfect mind-body system which we all have and therefore
it shouldn't be given some kind of absolute significance or veracity but I think that's
also true of everything we ourselves learn or cognize. It's always good to take yourself
with a grain of salt. Because some people are so damn sure of their opinions that they're
willing to kill for them. And if we all could take ourselves a little bit less seriously,
it might be an easier world to live in.
And question and question everything. And maybe today I know something. I know what
I experienced in my near-death experience. I know how it affected me. But I don't expect
other parents to take what I experienced into their life the way I experienced it.
It is for them to figure out how it plays in their family. What is their
journey? It's easier when someone tells you what to do. It's easier but that
distracts us from our own paths and we all know, we all know every human being,
every child has the potential, the ability to know their own signs and walk
through journey in joy, in ease. It's a lot of work to get there because we're starting often
in a confused spot. But it is possible. Look at your journey, what you've been through and what
you become in my journey and so many others that you interview. People find that essence of
or and follow it. Yeah, very important. I think one of the problems with cults and the reason
and there have been so many toxic cults, is that people abdicate their self-reliance,
their own judgment, their own common sense, and confer it upon the teacher.
Instead, I heard from a friend who was at a particular retreat center run by someone
I would characterize as a cult leader, and any kind of initiative or creativity was strongly
discouraged.
She was working in the kitchen, and she was like, "Hey, what if we make this kind of
salad dressing?"
don't make any decisions, the leader makes all the decisions, you know. She ended up having a medical
crisis and they weren't able to deal with her responsibly because the leader had to make the
decisions. So anyway, I'm going off on a bit of a tangent, but I think if there were a greater
emphasis and appreciation for self-referral, self-reliance, then we wouldn't have so many
unfortunate cult situations. Which is not to say that we can't honor and respect and learn from
teachers, but the teacher obviously has the obligation to allow his students to do their
own thinking and not be like little children who have to be told everything and can't do
anything independently.
Perhaps this will segue us into how you teach children.
I love working with children because they're so amazing, they're so evolved, and they're
so spiritual, they're so wise.
They are my teachers.
All of them.
children that I would look from the side and think oh my god this is like a big mess and
and they're behaving horribly and whatever in my opinion in my view they are coming with an
invitation there is always a reason for why a child behaves the way he does and they offer us
as parents they offer us triggers and if we don't respond the trigger will get bigger and if we don't
respond the trigger will get bigger because they came here to walk a shared journey and they need
us to show up for what they need from us to create the conditions. I work with children first through
their parents because I found along the way that if the parents are not really into finding their
own essence and are not willing to take responsibility and work with their stuff,
then they will not be able to support their child. In shamanic terms, for example, sometimes
Retrieve a soul part which is another way of
reactivating a dormant piece of energy and
restoring flow if we bring a soul part back to a child and
return a creative vibe
Sensitivity some kind of unique joy, whatever comes back. These are always positive
Qualities and return to us, but the parents are going to keep yelling at that child
They're just going to push that piece away or block that energy again.
So without the parents, it's impossible to work with children.
So that's my first orientation.
That's also why I wrote the book for parents and all the guidance I give through my website.
A lot of free resources are for the parents.
But then I guide the parents how to work with children.
I'm offering a lot of tools, energetic tools, like how to visualize a light wash, how to
use your breathing.
People are not even aware of such basic tools of breathing, how to anchor in the ground,
how to be present, how to expand.
This is an interesting beast with a lot of kids.
The children that come to me and the teens that come to me are always all spiritually
aware, which means that they are able to float out of their bodies, sort to other dimensions,
they bring information, they constantly go in and out.
So being here grounded in the human activity is often really challenging for them, no matter
what issue brings them to me.
So we teach them, for example, how to expand, how to intentionally expand, how to intentionally
go on a shamanic journey so they get enough of that connection with other dimensions that
they need.
And then they don't have to be floating at school or find those moments where they disconnect
Because they're present and they learn how to expand they learn how to ground so it's a lot of very very very simple
energetic
meditative
tools
locally, I have a group of uh
Of they're now I would refer to all of them as teens
But we we started with them as children moms and and their daughters all friends of my daughters
That we we used to meet once a week
We now meet here and there and we do a journey together and we practice together
And with the teens among them which there are 15 16 17 18
Young adults some of them. I also practice really
profound shamanic
Interventions teaching them all kinds of tools. They're all little born shamans
able to embrace
Their own inner knowing and it's amazing to witness them from the side and hear their mom's
stories about how they face
society and conflict and all kinds of situations staying constantly centered because they have
the tools to connect.
So various levels of work with children.
Do you do some of this remotely like on Zoom?
I do a lot of work privately on Zoom with parents and sometimes also with their children,
but not in a group setting.
The group setting is local, but I do guide other shamanic practitioners or energy healers
that want to create such groups, would have to create their own groups so that they would
have that in their communities.
That's good to know because I've run into, I can think of three at the moment, situations
where a young person has some kind of beautiful gift.
Perhaps they see auras or they see subtle beings or they have access to higher dimensions,
but in this dimension, their life isn't going so well.
You know, they just can't handle it, can't deal, can't behave properly, etc.
I guess in those kind of situations I often guide parents those who approach me about such situations are usually the parents
Sometimes it would be a grandmother or a teacher
That somehow found out about me and sends an email about how do I guide?
so
Especially teens. There's so many books
They're not a lot of good books for teens, but there are some good books also for teens about psychic abilities
And you can get them kind of written for teens who have psychic abilities that yes. Yes. Yes
I don't want to pronounce her name wrong
I can send you the name later if that okay, that is helpful. Yeah like that
There are a number of books for a psychic teen. I think is the name of one of them psychic teen
Books for teens and there are also a lot of amazing books for adults that teens can already read
Sure providing that is one tool that is really
Helpful because then that they can read on their own. There are a lot of tools and it's a trustworthy
Uh, we do the self-referencing and give a trustworthy source and i'll just tell them. Okay fine folks
And another thing is finding an energy healer a shamanic practitioner someone in the community
They can actually be connected with and that can help them
Understand what they're experiencing and I think the most important piece is usually just making it normal
Having them understand that a lot of people have those experiences and that they are not
strange in any way
and another piece which is really important for teens, I think is having them understand that
When they know things
It doesn't mean that they created a situation. They're just tapped into the field
Right, like if they know that somebody's gonna die in an accident or something doesn't mean they cause the accident. Yes
Yes, and and during the that phase of being a teen it's like
with puberty the soul starts to uh scream
I want to be myself. I want to be who I am and then it's and it's very conflicting
with social
demand at that age
And all kinds of abilities come sometimes it's not even going to be their dominant ability later on in life
But it comes and they know things like someone would car in a car die in a car crash
I had those experiences as a team. It was really really scary. That's part of why I closed that door
um
And now I understand it's just a matter of I was tapping into the energetic field. That was it
And so I was knowing things about other people which you can learn also how to block this that I know now
But I felt responsible it was really really scary and every team that I work with
at some point has those
Knowings and need to learn how to deal with them
So even just giving the confirmation, it's not you you're tapping into the field. There is energy. What are you seeing is real?
What are you experiencing that type of?
Reassurance and connections with people that can guide and and they're everywhere
We're fortunate to be living in times everywhere
Even in countries that we don't think there are spiritual, energetic awareness, there is.
I know from the type of clients that I receive everywhere. So just connect,
connect to those people and then they would have the ability to guide.
Yeah, I like that point. I've done a bit of traveling, some of it to countries where you
would expect to find such people such as India and the Philippines and places like that. But
I also spent three months in Iran, and I met some very impressive people there.
It was kind of a crazy place, but there's real special people everywhere.
There are special people everywhere.
I think there are a lot of people, even in the countries that we look from the side and
say, "Oh, what's going on there?"
Including mine.
There are luminous humans with high frequencies, high vibrations, knowing people everywhere.
It's not always easy to find them in some places, and we have this global community, but I'm
always happy to refer people to local connections that I have if I can.
And there are many others, I think, that can connect others as well.
Yeah.
I heard you say, and I've heard others say, that children choose their parents.
And obviously, you know, if you hear that, your immediate thought is, "Why are they going
to choose to be born in Somalia, or Gaza, or to an alcoholic father, or a sexually abusive
father, or an emotionally unavailable mother, or all kinds of rough situations that people
are born in, how would you respond to those questions?
>> I think that choice in challenging circumstances can stem from different type of reasons.
The extreme reason, which is not common, is because the soul or being actually wants to
experience that very violent, inappropriate situation.
And it's very, very uncommon.
Why would they want that?
To be able to assist others later.
Not even later in this life necessarily, but in some life they need to have that in their
toolkit.
soul kid, when we experience something, our understanding deepens in profound ways.
But that is very, very uncommon.
Most souls would not choose to experience any type of sexual violation or that sort of stuff.
Rick: Could you say there might be a karmic thing where someone had violated children
sexually and therefore they needed to be on the other side of that experience in order
to balance the karma or learn the lesson or something?
Suzanne: Rarely.
Rarely.
I think that what really happens is that a lot of souls and beings, it's more true for souls and beings that are coming, but
There is a choice
The choice is not always just about my own journey as a soul. Soul is a very complex concept
But as a soul, it's not just about my journey
it's often about the journey of souls that I'm related to or a soul group or
coming back to a family lines that I visited before in order to offer healing in order to
Expand something in order to bring resolution to something. There are so many reasons
And then we compromise and we know we would go to a family that is maybe partially functioning
Or will be challenging for us because of that soul connection
And then there is also that piece of us choosing the potential
I notice it a lot with spiritually or children
They're so trusting
as essence
Before incarnating or anything they're trusting
So they're trusting that they would offer the invitation to the parents and their parents would just show up and become what they can be
And everything will be smooth
But then they come to earth and they find that those parents that they trusted at the essence level
Are not walking their potential and not just that they are not walking their potential that they've been so wounded in this lifetime or recreated
And enlarged increased the wounding that they brought from other lifetimes. So instead of solving things along until those kids came
Trouble became bigger and then they have very confused parents and those parents are
Not showing up to that potential
that they hoped for and then things escalate and a child that maybe
Asked to play a little bit with their power becomes a bully and
In a lot of situations. It's not a choice to become a bully
But a choice to experiment with the effect of power and you can experience with the effect of power in many ways
And another aspect that goes into those
Decision and it is something that souls are as if aware when making those choices
But they're not aware most of those even incriminating again and again and again to my experience to my understanding don't really understand how harsh
human life
can become
I look at a lot of families that I worked with
amazing choices in parents and they show up and they do their best, but they're also living in a society and
They have to earn a living so they have to send their kids to school
They don't have the privilege like I do that. I was working from home so I could anyway have my I could
shift into
or many countries don't even allow homeschooling and the kids go to school and things get confused because
that soul human child team is
struggling between being who they are and
doing their journey and then also adjusting and being like others and
For many especially against those spiritually aware ones being like others. They didn't come here to be like others
So it's an inner conflict
But if the parents show up and become their essence then they can better guide their children
But it's a really complex weaving of the tapestry that most souls are living is very different from the one day
imagined, hoped, planned for. And what we can do is in between try to decrease the gap. And every
little decrease that brings the parent or the child to walk a little bit more of themselves
is a new join, because it ripples to everyone around. Energetically, it's an energetic
communication. I hope I'm making sense. No, you are. I'm thinking about it as you're speaking.
I'm thinking about examples also as you're speaking. I interviewed this guy named Christian
Sonberg, whom you may have heard of, who at a fairly late age, like 29 or something, suddenly
remembered his whole existence prior to birth.
And he remembered this whole sequence where he had chosen to take birth as a human being
because he was so impressed with some soul he met on the other side who had recently
come from Earth and they seemed so voluminous and wise from what they'd learned.
And then once he was in the womb, he thought, "Oh my God, what did I sign up for?"
And he claims that he aborted himself.
And then they gave him another chance after a whole lot of preparation, and he almost
did it again, but then he went through with it.
But I've heard other stories like that, where people choose to incarnate on earth, and then
they think, "Whoa, this place is a lot rougher than I anticipated.
Get me out of here!"
You know, just even in the really positive, nourishing, soft scenario, just being a huge
Solar being evolved wise knowing and you have to be in that
warm
wound
Stuck in a low body
For some time some joins the human baby the fetus earlier some join a little later
You're stuck there and then you have to go through the birth tunnel in order to be birthed
And you really need to be here want to be here in order to go through that phase even in the good scenarios
you know, when everything is just fine and the mom is loving and relaxed and nourished.
It's very hard to be relaxed when you have another kid at home or when you're living hectic life.
It's a difficult process. It's a really huge choice of each of us to come here. We come
here for a reason. And the learnings, the gift that we bring ourselves, Earth, other planets,
and get from them. It's a mutual communication and gifting and interaction. It's huge. It's
really, really significant. But you really need to want to come here. And I don't think any of us
understand when we plan a journey, and it's all going to be fine. And then life, reality,
human life. And even when we walk consciously aware, and become choice makers and commit and
surrender to our journey. There is confusion around us and it's a difficult, challenging,
blessed, also blessed, but challenging journey. Yeah, it's kind of like you think, oh, it would
be awesome to climb Mount Everest and then you're at 20,000 feet in a snowstorm and you think, what
did I do this for? But then you reach the top or you even don't reach the top, you reach almost
like the camp that is closest, or whatever you manage to. And you go back down and you take a
deep breath and say, "Oh, I learned this and this and this and this. This climb was worth it."
Rick Yeah, I've heard it said, you know, I mean,
who knows, but a teacher of mine once said, "The angels are jealous of humans." And they're wanting
to sign up to have the human experience because there's such evolutionary potential here. It might
might be a difficult lesson, a difficult schoolhouse, but it's one that has tremendous evolutionary
value and potential.
I agree with evolutionary potential when we show up for the journey because a lot of souls
and humans are going through life and not doing what they came here to do, lost in the
confusion.
I've never met an angel or high guidance and beings that were envious of us.
I often feel that they don't understand how challenging and confusing it can be here.
They're very compassionate, they're very understanding, they're very supportive.
I don't think they want to exchange places.
Yeah, you can have it, right.
But I believe others that may have experienced this interactions and received such messages.
It's fascinating. I know in my own case, I was born into a difficult family. My father was
very traumatized by World War II and he was an alcoholic and verbally abusive. My mother ended
up trying to commit suicide three times and spent most of my adolescence in and out of mental
hospitals. And then it kind of dawned on me at the age of about 18 that spirituality was a thing and
I learned to meditate and things started getting a lot better. And I look back to the years prior
to that and I think, "Boy, was I lost." But I felt like there was kind of a seed planted
prior to my birth that when I finally heard the word "enlightenment," somebody was reading a book
and it was like a bell going off and I think, "Whoa, that's a thing. I need that." Whereas
somebody else might not have had any reaction to hearing it. But I just say that to illustrate that,
yeah, we might come in with the best of intentions hoping to make great strides spiritually,
but the world can be extremely overshadowing and challenging and it's so easy to get lost
in confusion and self-destructive behaviors. Yeah, I consider it a blessing and a kind of
grace of God that I was saved from continuing in that vein. And perhaps it is because of some kind
of past life immersion in spiritual practices and so on that it woke up again finally at a certain
point. We never know what is a deter and what is something that we needed to experience because
it later built something within us. Yeah. I know for myself at least that I set posts,
like I have signs on my path to say, okay, this is where you're supposed to be. This is a person
you're supposed to meet at a certain point. Like you say, I heard the word enlightenment and that
started the whole, opened a new door for me to find my way because you had that potential because
It was part of what you came here to do. So I think we all have those signs
Uh posted in our ways and if we listen to them and pay attention to them
And sometimes it's not about any deep meaning but just the sign saying, okay
You're guided now
Start trusting what you know and set on your journey. I think we also have a big gap
I don't know why this is coming up but between what we perceive to be spiritual what we perceive to be success
what we perceive to be the way to express an idea. So we follow that along life. Sometimes that's the
guidance we receive from our parents, family, community, to be something specific. And it's
again, and what we are here to do is something that may be much simpler or a completely different
direction, but we dismiss it because it's not who we are or who we're supposed to be.
A lot of attentiveness
A lot of attentiveness. I actually relate to it in my book. The promise we made is a second promise talking about
allowing
When it hit me that I don't give that to my daughters
It was really striking and then I I needed to practice it myself just opening that door for them to
Be able to listen to themselves because they knew how to listen
And they would close their eyes or they would gaze and they would play quietly or write something or draw when they were really little
They were listening to their knowing
I could really trust them, but I needed to
Not create a schedule
And not make sure they're busy all the time and that was very hard because I was sitting on the sofa
I was not functioning other people were doing things
for a long time until I became active again, and it was
Communicating to others who thought they needed to be busy. You need to have a full schedule play dates going to the playground guns
No, it was just fine not doing anything
When we're attentive again, we're less prone to losing our path and then
hearings of signs like word somebody else reads in a book and
Knowing this word has a meaning for you or or or for me
It requires a lot of trust, you know trusting. Oh that really is meaningful and I'm going for it and I think it also requires
Saying yes
Saying yes, you know saying yes to showing up saying yes to exploring something that maybe seemed
Really unrelated to your life at the time, but was calling you
so I always encourage the children I work with and the teens to trust what they know and explore and
Explore and some of the things you're gonna find out that they're not theirs
But they will not know if they don't try and they know what to try and what not to try
It's pretty amazing to look at them from the side because they have this really deep inner knowing but saying yes
I wouldn't written a book if I hadn't said yes to something crazy
English is not my first language. I've never written a book. I wrote academic papers and chapters. I didn't write a book
stories, but I did. Well, you speak good English. I would hardly have known that it wasn't your first
language. I make a lot of mistakes and my vocabulary is lacking and that's what it is.
Just out of curiosity, as a case in point, this thought occurred to me. You know, my parents were
well-educated, intelligent people, but kind of messed up, as I said. So let's say that you
had lived in my town when I was a kid and I was five or six years old. My parents were perhaps
late 20s, early 30s, and they had thought, "Well, let's have Efrat, you know, work with us and see
what she can do to help us or to help our poor little son who still wets his bed and whatnot."
What kind of intervention would you have done, given my family situation as I described it?
>> I would start working with your father because trauma from war, post-trauma from war,
is usually a symptom of soul loss and it's very difficult to live life full if you had
those really innocent, knowing, trusting, creative, happy pieces of yourself.
It was a professional artist, yeah.
Lost in war, and it happens in war because souls know they're not here to kill anyone.
And situations of war are really, really, really difficult and there is tremendous soul
loss and you can't heal soul loss immediately after the trauma happens
But as things come down and it's safe for those pieces to return or to be reactivated
There are energetic
interventions that can
Reawaken those pieces sometimes at once and sometimes one by one depending on the situation
But that's where I would have started. I would have started trying to
Help your father regain back his life
Because as he would regain back his life and feel safe
You as a child would have felt safe as well
Same true to your mom
Finding her core finding out what's important for her
And then we could have or at the same time given them tools if I would be working like I work with families
Giving them tools to share with you
On breathing on relapsing before going to sleep and so forth. Let's say nothing worked and they're becoming
their core selves, but you're still wet the bed and you're still very anxious
and you're still having whatever issues you're having like many children do, then
we can go and work with the child themselves. If the child gives permission,
I ask permission even from two-year-olds and one-year-olds, I have ways of
confirming I can actually work with them at the literal physical level and soul
level, but let's say you're saying yes I'm willing for a fact to look at my
energy field. Then we could check what happened to you. Why is it hard for you to be in a physical
body and have proper physical functioning? And there are numerous reasons that are related to
soul past lifetimes or you know it's not exactly past but other lifetimes and there are reasons
that are related to the alignment of our various energy layers and there are reasons that happen
for things happened at birth and all kinds of contracts sitting on the family lines.
There are so many reasons and there is no one storyline. If a child wets in bed, this is a
reason. Every child has their own reason and their whole family situation. But then I choose to work
with the children only after I know the parents are able to hold space for the child to truly heal.
And there is always a lot of lifestyle changes within that each family based on what she's able
to carry from nutritional changes to
Cutting out activities changing activities becoming choice makers of who you spend your time with
and so forth
Using your example of a process
That would be the process
And then if there's alcoholism involved or other things like that
do you sort of bring in or you know encourage Alcoholics Anonymous or bring in other therapists
or modalities? Yeah, yeah definitely. It never contradicts other modalities. Locally I have a
psychiatrist I work with together, a psychologist that we work with together with families,
an acupuncturist that works with women trying to conceive and I sometimes intervene to help her
where she can because she does the energy work herself. Globally I refer people to find people
in their environments, I don't know the people. But yeah, yeah, yeah, it always comes together
with things. Energy doesn't solve anything unless we work things also in the literal.
But in terms of post-trauma, PTSD, trauma of war, often once soul pieces, soul fragments,
start returning back and there is a healing of the trauma by embracing those positive pieces of life
than drinking, using drugs, all kinds of negative consequences of escaping are decreasing.
There must be so much of that in Israel considering everything Israel and the Jews have been through.
You know Thomas Hubel, he does this collective trauma healing work, but it seems like it must
be like a powder keg over there in terms of the tension of all the hostile parties in such close
proximity and missiles coming in from Lebanon and Gaza and every place and vice versa going the other
direction, it just must be nerve-wracking. People must be really on kind of a high stress level,
perpetually fighting for flight all the time. Yeah, I think that everyone in this geographical
area, not just Jewish or Israelis, Muslim and Christian are within Israel that are like Arab
Israelis or each of them define themselves differently. And those living in the West Bank,
everyone and definitely those in Gaza or in Lebanon.
Stress levels are very, very high for everyone, depending again, some more depending on the
situation and some less. There is a lot of soul loss because very basic sense of security
has been lost. Yeah.
It's in the energetic sphera and in my community, we try to cultivate both for the adults and the
low ones a
subjective sense
of safety
not in terms of
Acting as if it is safe because it's not as if safe
But finding that inner trust that as a soul, we're all safe
And that we are guarded
the confusion
To me is sad because when people experience all loss and when people don't know what to trust
Their belief systems are more fragile
And their trusting
In other humans becomes more fragile. So the situation is horrible for everyone
I almost have tears in my eyes because it is so painful what's happening here
But then what's painful for me also is that people are losing the trust in one another
I know false science friends that
It is hard for us to communicate
Although they know exactly what I believe and how supportive I am of their right to have a country and leave their life and have all kids
Play joyfully and not worry about food shelter or anything
Because as soon as we have a threat we go into survival mode all of us doesn't matter how aware or conscious we are
And i'm happy to have a community. I know a lot of people who are
In efforts to keep their frequency and vibration high
That are insisting on keeping their trust
in our human ability
To see each other as equals
And it's not easy with everything going on
But there are a lot of people
A lot of israelis a lot of arabs a lot of phallustines that are holding this vision
In the shamanic practice we often talk about dreaming a world into being I assume you're familiar with this practice of creating an energetic ripple
by dreaming the possible
So we practice dreaming the possible
And we try not to anchor it in a way that one person sees it this way or another way
But anchor just those qualities of children
Just having a good life and having the options of being who they are
in a general
Perspective and there's a lot of energetic work being done in holding this potential this possible using germane
Especially when the leadership is so deeply confused
I often ask myself and my daughters ask this thing. Why did we ask to be born here?
I don't know. I don't have that answer yet. I just know I had to be born here. I was born and raised in jerusalem
I went through a lot of times of conflict when the bus it went to school one would bomb I would go on the
Next one I would somehow miss that bus, but I would go in the next one and I would arrive safely to school
And the bus after would bomb as well
Wow terrorist attacks and a lot of things happened to me that I was like, wow, I was really really guarded
But I grew up in that multicultural
Beautiful city of jerusalem that belongs to everyone and no one at the same time
One day maybe you know when I leave I will understand why I chose to come here
but I think uh, there are
people like myself and like you holding a vision of different humanity, of a kind, compassionate
humanity everywhere. And we trust. Yeah, you know, a lot of spiritual people for a long time have been
prophesizing that we're going to have some kind of age of enlightenment or new age or golden age or
whatever you want to call it. In fact, even ancient cultures going back a couple thousand
and years have prophesied some such thing eventually coming to pass.
And a lot of people feel like, well, maybe we're getting close to it now, but then there's
this notion these days that perhaps we have to go through a collective dark night of the
soul before we can get to that.
And maybe we're entering into that now more than ever.
And you can think of other times it seemed like a collective dark night of the soul,
like the world wars and the Middle Ages and so on, but then we didn't have a golden age
after those.
But anyway, with everything you've experienced and thought about, do you have any thoughts on those
ideas? I don't think we need to go through the dark night of the soul. In this geographical area,
I think we are repeating old paradigms, old contracts, old ways of inefficient resolution.
I think there is a lot of fear of moving forward, and this fear of moving forward
makes the leadership and a lot of other humans hold on to hatred, choose killing, think land
is more important than human life. And on the broad perspective of what's happening, it's good
that things are rising and opening, but a lot of what's happening here was not necessary. None of
it needed to happen if there was a different choice in resolution. You could probably say that about
every war and every concentration camp and every genocide and everything that has ever
happened there could have been a better way.
But there's so much fear of showing up and becoming that people are pulling back and
letting the fear lead.
Now think about people like yourself and so many people you interview and I know this
is true for me.
It is so hard to say yes and to show up again and again and again and practice.
Hard work to practice and stay aligned and not let the confusion go into me
You know, I had a near-death experience, but I needed to integrate that near-death experience and I share that process in my book
The promise we made
It was an integration process. I needed to understand what it means. I needed to bring it into my life
It's not an easy journey. It's a lot of choices to surrender and as you surrender you have less
We will because you can't be confused anymore
So you look around and we are both fortunate to know a lot of people who are making this choice and are somewhere
in their journey of choosing
To be who they can be that essence of compassionate loving
Being soul, but there's so many others who are not choosing that
And uh, are we more?
Or are they more? I don't know. I'm not counting
I'm just looking at things and I don't think we needed to go through this and I don't think we need to go through wars
Any longer?
I think we need to find ways to overcome our fear
I think we are on the way to that
My sample is not representative
Those children that I meet those families that I meet i'm fortunate and blessed and i'm grateful to meet such amazing
Humans and sometimes their situations are so so difficult
But they are choosing to do what they can
in their
Abilities and that's always amazing to me
So I choose to focus my energy on that and I think that these are the leaders of our future
This is a type of quality and energy that I hope
Will lead the future
of humanity
We've been confused enough
We've been confused enough. It's not about being confused again and going through some storms of that we would understand
It's about taking the deep breath and just becoming choice makers
Navigating our path and our journey as we can
We are really sophisticated beings
all of us
Have the capability
To be the essence the pure essence that we all are and we all are again
This is how I experience it because of my new desk experience. It doesn't matter who you were and what you did
All the beings that I saw were embraced. They were all welcome to home. Maybe later
Somebody sat with them. I did not see this happening sat with them and said this was better
This you might need to repeat
But the embrace was very very clear. It didn't matter. It doesn't matter
What happened here?
even those souls that did such horrible acts on october 7th and beyond and in other places and
Even they are going to be given another chance
Because they too have a pure essence
Potential within them and it's really hard for us to see that
And accept that especially with what's going on here
but
That's how I see it. Now. How do we they raise their children? How do we change the dynamics here?
One by one. Yeah, I like that quote from jesus as he was being nailed to the cross. Forgive them father for they know
Not what they do
Nobody wants to be a monster in their heart of hearts, in their essence, and everyone really is
the same pure being in their essence. We all are that. But the blinding darkness of ignorance,
to quote a Sanskrit phrase, is just so blinding, so overwhelming, that we get lost in it.
>> Yeah, we get lost. But we also live in a time that there's so much information available.
>> Yeah.
Well, it confused a really confused soul may
Have one of your interviews pop up when they open YouTube, for example
Yeah, and that's a point of choice. They're looking for a YouTube on how to make bombs instead. They find Buddha at the gas pump
We talked about his job. So maybe that something would come up something but I think sometimes
These strings are pulled and there is something in front of you and you can say, okay
I'll see what it is, or you can ignore it. But that's an invitation. We get those types of
invitations all the time. And I think when we stand that ripple of energy and that hope,
it's like my hope for this conversation that we're having, that it will reach whoever needs
for it to reach it, even if it's a sentence I said or a sentence you said. Because sometimes
that's all you need in order to take that deep breath and say, "Okay, I'm shifting something
in my life. I want to become a Y can be. Yeah, there's an Indian saying, "For the wise,
only an indication is necessary." I like that. I tend to read cosmic significance into things as
I go through my life. You know, "Why did this person show up?" or "Why did that bird fly across
my path?" Not that I really ask that about birds, but I just sort of see that… But you should!
every little thing is somehow meaningful. I remember a Carlos Castaneda story where he
and his teacher were having some conversation and the tea kettle started to boil and his
teacher said, "The tea kettle agrees." It's like somehow everything is pregnant with meaning.
Not that you should drive yourself crazy trying to interpret every little bug that lands on
you or something, but there is cosmic intelligence orchestrating everything.
We just sent out a newsletter, maybe I could find a copy of it.
I'm going to do that very quickly.
It had a real nice quote from Lao Tzu, I believe.
I don't think we need to interpret every little sign we're giving, but their signs are there
to confirm that we are on the path.
And once we don't get into, you know, overthinking about what's the meaning of the sign, then
we can breathe into it and just say, "Oh, okay, so I'm on the path."
I also find it really important, especially if you talk about birds, that people don't
look for what the bird means to others, but just trust what they know about the signs
they see.
It's hard to teach that to teens who are constantly on their phones.
Say, "Okay, you saw the sign, don't search it, don't go to Google, just take a deep breath
and ask yourself, 'What does the sign mean to me?'"
Some of them embrace it, some of them Google and then go to check what it means for them.
I use AI.
But anyway, here's a quote.
It's from Lao Tzu.
"Simplicity, patience, compassion.
These three are your greatest treasures.
Simple in actions and thoughts, you return to the source of being.
Patient with both friends and enemies, you accord with the way things are.
Compassionate toward yourself, you reconcile all beings in the world."
But being in accord with the way things are, that one really struck me, not feeling that,
"Oh, this shouldn't be happening."
It is happening, so therefore it should be.
Now what is the implication of it?
Yeah, what is the implication?
How do we want to interpret it?
How do we want to react?
Do we want to react?
Do we have to react?
And if it's a significant event, then what do I need to do in order to take that event
and become a better person?
Yeah, I mean, look at your car accident.
You could have spent the rest of your life saying, "Oh, poor me.
I had this bad car accident."
Instead, it's completely turned your life around.
It opened up a huge world of possibilities.
Yeah, but it did require, as I said earlier, a lot of saying yes.
Things were really, really challenging, and it's not that I became this enlightened person.
I'm not.
I'm still working on it.
It was one step at a time, and asking questions, and finding what drives me, and connecting
to myself and it did gift me with a lot of time for myself so I could rest and I could
journey and I could drift into those realms that I visited. But I needed to understand
them. I did not come with a spiritual language so I did not have that carpet to stand on,
that foundation of understanding what was happening. I did not read one near-death experience
book before I realized this is what happened to me. Only then I started reading and searching,
and I also trying to figure out what does it mean. And some of the books just share the story
as an enlightenment. Some books have in between the lines also the process of integration of
showing that it doesn't just happen. You need to take it. And I think that's true for every life
event, we get an invitation and it's what we do with it. And so far I've been saying mostly yes,
and I hope to continue to do that. So I managed to say yes to what this whole story brings to
my life, to my family life. But it's not instant. I think we all, in terms of what we talked before
about being a very passive society, we want things to happen to us. And magic happens,
magic exists, but sometimes we work really, really hard to be able to learn how to listen to it,
learn how to trust our intuition, learn to be open for that magic to actually manifest.
And it's still magical when it happens.
>>Rick: There's a great quote from a British explorer and mountaineer named Murray,
I forget what his first name was, but it's about taking initiative and then when you take some
initiative, all kinds of opportunities and so-called coincidences and things start to happen
that wouldn't happen had you not taken initiative and started the ball rolling.
Dina: And sometimes the initiative is just about showing up. The third promise,
like the promise we made in my book, beyond sharing my near-death experience,
the car crash, everything that happened, the interrogation process, I share question three
promises I feel we all made to our children, universal soul promises. And the third promise,
I was really surprised when it came down and it took me time to understand it, but
I named it the emotion of love
and what I realized is that when a parent in terms of the
Mutual shared journey with children when a parent wakes up
And realizes that there is something to do
before they take action before they do interventions before they do all kinds of sessions in order to clear their energy field and become
Who they are before they change lifestyle before anything just that awareness
already sense that energetic communication to the children saying,
"Okay, I got it. I'm seeing you're inviting me to something and I'm going to try."
Now, if that parent won't do anything about it, that energetic communication is going to go away.
But as long as there is their efforts, even those small first steps of a parent understanding,
they want to find their center and become the potentials that their child chose.
The child gets that communication. Now the children, they are born knowing the truth.
They know who they are. They know exactly what they want. They are born attentive.
They're able to hear their messages and know their signs and they are set to connect to Earth,
bring in their spirit and do a process of becoming the co-creators we all come here to become. So as
As soon as that energetic communication is already
Sent then that child can stay true to who they are. They can stay true to what they
Know for themselves and be patient while their parent is on that journey in the motion
In my experience what I noticed was that I call them soul moments like it
But I'm sure there might be other terms of distinct moments when I was aligned to my truth. I
I felt the joy I felt in my near-death experience in other dimensions. I felt aligned
I felt I was who I am it was little pieces of confirmation and
It could be about big decisions, but it was often about very very little elements
Of not taking that extra bite. It's an example I give in my book. I think it's a very powerful example
We sit with the food on our plate and do we take that extra bite that we don't need to take in?
And when we learn to notice
When we reach that extra bite and we don't need to take it in
then
We start to be attentive
And there are small precise moments and we when we have those precise moments all moments and we're aligned to a truth
these small moments of just trying exploring as parents
Create a legitimacy for our kids
The souls they are the beings that they are and they're very evolved beings among them
to stay true to what they came here to do. It helps them navigate those first years of being really,
really dependent on us because it communicates there is an effort. It's a really powerful,
energetic message that as soon as people show up, something shifts.
You've referred a number of times to really evolved children. And you know, you've heard
these terms, indigo children or star seeds and different terms like that. Do you feel like
there's a batch of really evolved kids being born these days that more so than 30, 40,
50, 60 years ago? Is it like some kind of influx taking place of highly evolved souls?
Jessica I think it's constantly growing, constantly
growing. I think we don't have labels for many of them. We use starseeds for so many
types of evolved souls that are coming to help and contribute to the processes of Earth
and elevating our consciousness, but there are many types of being among them.
I try to avoid those labelings because then it's really helpful for us as adults to say,
"Oh, these are the characteristics of an indigo child or a crystal child or this and this."
And this is why it helps us understand why we're different or why we experience something
differently.
But as parents looking and observing the various types of children coming, just accept them
and loves them as who they are,
and observe their needs,
and become the parents they need,
and create the condition that your child needs.
Yes, a lot of them are very evolved souls.
A lot of them have never incarnated on earth.
And being here is very, very difficult for them.
They are overwhelmed.
They don't know what they signed up for.
And going through those years of being dependent is the key,
whether they're gonna manage
to fulfill their missions here or not.
- Here's a question.
A lot of times people listen to conversations like this
and they think, "Well, how do you know this?"
And like you just said, a lot of them,
this is their first incarnation on earth.
And I can hear people thinking, "How does she know that?"
And I, myself, I'm always saying things
that like I can ask myself, "Well, how do I really know that?
Is it just a belief?
Is it somehow derived from my meditations experiences
or whatever, or have I just built a belief system that makes sense to me, that involves
reincarnation and all kinds of other things that I have no really concrete proof for?
So, I can't prove it.
This is not something I can prove.
Yeah.
But when I meet those kids in my work and I connect to their energy field, their energy
field is very different, and there are all kinds of energy fields.
It's not just what we usually see for a soul that has incarnated many times and it can be
more luminous or less luminous. They carry information. Sometimes the resolution that
they need takes place in other planets. So we see those beings. And it's not just me,
it's a lot of my colleagues as well. I know I'm not the only one seeing those different essences.
You can say shamanic journeying in every traveling to other dimensions is a fruit of our imagination.
So we can be skeptic whether it's true or not true. This is what I experience in my healing sessions with many children being born today
young ones very young ones
Showing characteristics i've never seen before
sharing information
I've never heard before
This is what I am seeing in my type of
work
But i'll say something beyond that
regardless who that soul is
regardless who that being is or where they come from.
Our shared intention is to have them all
fulfill their journey.
And to fulfill their journey, they need to be human.
And I said earlier, I believe in grounded spirituality.
The most spiritual thing to do is to be who you are.
And our job role as the parents
is as significant adults to others.
It's often not the parents, it's other significant adults,
like grandparents, like teachers, like an aunt and uncle, like a librarian.
They're really important people that guide those sensitive children,
those quiet children on how to be living a human experience, grounded,
not about floating and soaring and escaping their human reality,
which we all do because being human is really difficult,
but by embracing this journey fully.
So it doesn't matter if it's a star seed, if it's an indigo children, if it's a child,
if it's beings that never incarnated before, or a really, really wise, luminous, spiritual
soul.
They all need those conditions.
They all need for us to be kind and compassionate and open the door for them to become who they
can.
And they each need something different.
That's why they choose different parents and different conditions.
Yeah, because of the kind of people I interview I've talked to a lot of people who
Were very sensitive as children in some cases could see angels or had auras or you know different subtle stuff like that
and
some of them assumed that everyone sees things that way and they they learn soon enough that that is not the case and
Often when they would talk about their experiences to their parents or others
They would be told that it was their imagination or there was something wrong with them or whatever
so they shut it down or just wouldn't talk about it anymore.
But what you're doing in terms of normalizing and accepting and acknowledging these kinds
of kids is great.
Why should we all have to shut it down and go through crazy teenage years in order to
maybe eventually rediscover it later on?
It would be nice to just kind of keep the ball rolling from start to finish in life
and have this kind of way of functioning become the norm, which I think it easily could be.
You know, you mentioned other planets, maybe there are planets in which
highly enlightened people are the norm. Be nice to think that. And why not this one? It could happen,
we could change it, not in a snap of the fingers, but over time.
>> Susan Over time, one by one. I was a kid like that. And I know many children who are like that.
And at least locally I am I feel that the peer groups that they have a group
Most my daughters and all the teens and children that I work with
They have a group they relate to there are other children and teens that they know who see energies who experience all kind of experiences
Like they do that's very powerful. And I know that's true also for others that I know who are leading such groups
It's both normalizing it in terms within the family and usually a sensitive child a child with all kinds of abilities
One of their parents have those abilities as well, but they shut it down
But when they have also the peer group
And that's where I think books are really important and stories and there are many spiritual aspects in children
Middle grade books today. You can find them weaved in all kinds of places
it's becoming
less un-norm or not normal, and there is information. So yeah, I'm hoping that I am
contributing my bit of quantum, my quantum to this ripple of opening up. There are many like me
around the world, and that's the intention. >> And there's a lot of cool stuff in the popular
culture, like become a Jedi Master, or become a wizard, or whatever. The children get these stories
that we can have these so-called magical abilities.
>> That's amazing, and just think how many kids relate to those superpowers. But we need to also
be really careful that we don't attribute superpowers to characters existing only in
movies and books, and actually confirm to our children that their abilities are superpowers,
because every child has superpowers.
And as young children, until like five or six,
they're really into it.
Some are in five or six, many of them, not all of them,
some carry it along into their teen years,
but some of them start to get confused and rational
and go to school and mental processes,
and they lose not only the belief
in the super human characteristics,
but also the belief in their own superpower.
- Yeah.
- So it's a delicate like process
of nourishing those connections to heroes
that carry superpowers,
but also finding that reflection
of where does that,
you have your superpower as well.
And maybe it's different and maybe it's not seen
and maybe we don't know what it is,
but it's there because they all have it.
- Yeah, I have a friend who has a sensitive child like that.
And he came home from school one day and said,
"Mommy, my teacher told me there's no such thing as dragons."
And I actually made a video for the kid and sent it down about how there is such a thing as dragons
and they don't exist on the gross plane. They perhaps exist in other dimensions and whatnot
and that's why they're in all the cultures around the world. In fact, next week I'm going to
interview a lady who this is her whole focus is talking about all the different other kinds of
life, non-human life that exists in various dimensions and how many humans are actually
hybrids of some elf or something and human, not through necessarily interbreeding, but through
some kind of mind meld with some such entity. Anyway, that should be a bit of a stretch for
some people, but I think it's fun. I'm listening to her books right now.
>>Sarah: I think it's an important thing to be aware of and not to be afraid of.
>>Rick: Yeah.
But if I go back to your example of that kid and dragons, that's how kids lose their belief
in themselves.
That's how they lose that connection because someone with no bad intentions tells them that
what they know is not real.
And those dragons are real for that child.
Maybe that's the guidance, maybe that's what they see in their visioning, maybe that's
their energetic communication, we never know.
>>Rick: Yeah, now may have...
>>Susan: I'm not going to dismiss anything that kids say.
Just nourish whatever they know for themselves, even if it's something I'm not familiar with.
>>Rick: Sure.
And that's not to say that Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny are all
real, but that also doesn't mean that all kinds of other things aren't real, that part
of our folklore, perhaps, or at least in some kind of distorted form, have come down through
the ages.
>>Susan: Exactly.
>>Rick: One final point.
I interviewed a woman a couple months ago who has an autistic daughter, Melinda Edwards,
and she felt and feels that autistic children are special in a way, that they're some kind
of harbingers of some higher consciousness, but they just haven't really learned to, or
they're not wired well to function in our society or on this planet or whatever.
In fact, Mindy is going to be interviewed by Tammy Simon, if sounds true, pretty soon,
about that topic.
friend who has a nice level of spiritual awakening, but who discovered that she is neurodivergent.
She's of course a grown adult, is going to be interviewed by Sounds True.
What do you think about autism, neurodivergence, things like that in children and perhaps also
in adults, even adults who are highly spiritual?
They're definitely offering us a different way of viewing the world and of how thought
processes work, how communication works.
And yes, again, my limited sample, not representative children on the spectrum that I was honored
to work with, they all came from far away.
Came from far away means?
Other planets.
Okay.
Far away.
Some of the challenges were challenges of adjusting to how human life is in terms of the way of
communicating, in terms of processing information.
And it's different, like I'm thinking of specific situations.
Some of them were about being overwhelmed from so much information because they catch
so much information at the same time.
It's like they have so many more receptors.
So it's overwhelming.
And some of them are actually bringing, offering a type of, and again, this is generalizing,
this is not my specialty, but I have worked with many on the spectrum.
They offer us a different type of healing.
They absorb energies.
They're communicating just in a different way.
So they're avoiding what we would accept to be a common way of human communication.
Or they have their challenges, again, each child and their challenges, but they're very,
very evolved, luminous being offering us a very advanced level of healing.
And they absorb and release it out.
And they are a vessel.
I don't think that's always healthy for them, because they need guidance on how to be a
vessel for healing, how to absorb somebody else's energy and then transfer it out and
not have it stuck in them.
Some of them know how to do it, some of them don't.
So again, I avoid generalizing, but they are definitely a blessing to humanity, and they're
offering us teachings and lessons that others don't.
>>Rick: That's great, great answer.
I'm glad I brought it up.
And when you say they came from other planets, you're not implying that they came in spaceships
necessarily, but they incarnated here.
>>Suzanne: They incarnated here, yes.
Incarnated here was an intention also for themselves, for learning, to experiencing.
It's not just about bringing gifts, it's also about their own experience of humanity and
what they can learn here about different types of information processes, communication, perspectives.
>>Rick: Nice.
Great.
Well, we've gone on a couple hours and probably should wrap it up, but I've really enjoyed
this conversation and getting to know you better.
I'll be linking to your website and people can find out what you're up to there, sign
up for things, whatever, get in touch with you. But is there anything that you'd like to say in closing?
>> I've got the stage to say a lot of what I think. My website, my name, fachekreft.com,
you can find the information about my book, The Promise We Made, a lot of free resources,
a lot of articles, and also a contact page to contact me with any question or anything that
comes up. I guess my message to everyone and my hope and my dreaming that we find our essence
and we become the humans, the kind, compassionate, loving humans that we can.
That would be so nice to live that and not just dream it.
Yeah. Well, thank you so much for your contribution to making that a reality.
There's a team of people around the world, loosely affiliated and unbeknownst to one another for the
most part, who are all moving this thing along and helping to bring about a better world.
Yeah, everywhere. Many, many, many, many.
Yeah.
So each one of us does our little thing and we create a ripple.
Which is hope for optimism, you know, because I've heard people say,
"Well, I don't want to have children because climate change," and, you know, things like that.
But I think we need all the evolved souls we can get to help transform the world,
including climate change and every other problem that besets us.
Yeah, yeah, and there's so many wanting to come to Earth.
Yeah.
Earth can handle it.
Yeah, and I don't want to drag this on too much, but if you are a spiritually conscious person and
aspiring to higher development and all that stuff, there's a verse in the Bhagavad Gita which says,
if you're really a righteous soul, then you might be reborn in a well-educated affluent family,
but then it says if you're really worthy, you will be born in a family of yogis, although it says,
as
might have stalked, we didn't have children, but anyway, I think it's a special time in
the world, and as you said, there are many highly evolved souls wishing to be born.
>>Suzanne: Yeah, and I think that, again, people know if they are here to be biological
parents or adoptive parents or significant adults, so others are not have children because
their mission is about something else, and it's all okay, as long as it's aligned to
what we wanted for our journey.
Alright, great.
Alright, well thank you, that's a good note to end on.
Thank you, thank you very much.
Oh yes, thank you, and thanks to those who have been listening or watching, and we'll
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Yes.
Okay, good.
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Right. Thank you. I appreciate it.
All righty.
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