WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.000 That's why we have so many near-death experiences is that we have such amazing modern medicine. 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:04.500 Yeah. 00:00:04.500 --> 00:00:08.400 In the old days, most people who have end-to-ease would have just died. 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:12.100 But I think we have those experiences not just because of modern medicine. 00:00:12.100 --> 00:00:15.400 I think we crave the reminder of who we are. 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:25.200 Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump. 00:00:25.200 --> 00:00:27.100 My name is Rick Archer. 00:00:27.100 --> 00:00:35.020 Today I'll be speaking with Efrat Shokef, PhD. Efrat is a mother to three spiritually aware teens, 00:00:35.020 --> 00:00:43.660 a daughter, wife, sister, writer, teacher, cosmic journeyer, a shamanic energy healing practitioner 00:00:43.660 --> 00:00:51.420 working primarily with children, teens, parents and families, and author of The Promise We Made, 00:00:51.420 --> 00:00:55.180 three universal soul promises we made to our children, 00:00:55.180 --> 00:01:00.140 near-death experience and the parenting teachings it invites. 00:01:00.140 --> 00:01:05.020 Efrat was severely injured in a car crash and experienced a profound near-death 00:01:05.020 --> 00:01:07.820 experience when her three daughters were all still 00:01:07.820 --> 00:01:11.180 younger than four. Her journey of physical recovery, the 00:01:11.180 --> 00:01:15.820 integration of her NDE, and at the same time her inability to 00:01:15.820 --> 00:01:19.100 participate in the caretaking of her daughters sent 00:01:19.100 --> 00:01:22.420 center on a quest to the essence of motherhood. 00:01:22.420 --> 00:01:26.100 What makes us our children's parent beyond the doing? 00:01:26.100 --> 00:01:32.080 Efrat believes that when parents know or remember that they are more than their physical bodies 00:01:32.080 --> 00:01:38.280 or their confused, wounded emotions, they can recognize the luminosity of their children. 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:42.900 When we all accept that we are on a journey of growth, we can mirror the possibility of 00:01:42.900 --> 00:01:46.700 this earthly journey to the children in our lives. 00:01:46.700 --> 00:01:54.300 When we walk our essence and connect to who we are at our core, we can see that same luminosity 00:01:54.300 --> 00:01:59.580 in everyone, beyond gender, race, ethnicity, or age. 00:01:59.580 --> 00:02:04.780 Respecting all others, including our children, dependent humans, yet also powerful, experienced 00:02:04.780 --> 00:02:09.020 souls becomes a way of life. 00:02:09.020 --> 00:02:13.000 In this conversation, Efrat and I cover a number of points. 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:17.640 we plan the life we are going to live before we are born, including choosing our parents; 00:02:17.640 --> 00:02:24.920 navigating parenting in a noisy, chaotic world; Ephrath's NDE, which included an out-of-body 00:02:24.920 --> 00:02:29.880 experience in which she encountered otherworldly beings who gave her a bird's-eye view of the 00:02:29.880 --> 00:02:37.160 evolutionary value of earthly experiences; embracing death as a transition, not an extinction; 00:02:37.160 --> 00:02:42.520 the potential inaccuracy of channeled information and the importance of self-sufficiency; 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:48.820 the existence of special souls throughout the world, the potential spiritual guidance in 00:02:48.820 --> 00:02:55.820 everyday events, dreaming a better world into being, and choosing compassionate paths for 00:02:55.820 --> 00:02:56.820 humanity. 00:02:56.820 --> 00:03:02.960 But especially, we talked about spiritual parenting, which is Efrat's main focus. 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:09.320 This included understanding children's healing process, energetic communication between parents 00:03:09.320 --> 00:03:13.320 and children, understanding indigo and crystal children, 00:03:13.320 --> 00:03:16.320 supporting sensitive and autistic children, 00:03:16.320 --> 00:03:19.420 encouraging children's belief in their superpowers, 00:03:19.420 --> 00:03:22.560 and the purpose of parenting and life alignment. 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:24.800 Please remember that this program is made possible 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:26.840 through the support of appreciative listeners 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:27.800 and viewers. 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:30.320 If you appreciate it and would like to help support it, 00:03:30.320 --> 00:03:32.760 visit our website, batgap.com. 00:03:32.760 --> 00:03:35.760 I hope you enjoy this conversation with Efrat Shokev 00:03:35.760 --> 00:03:37.040 as much as I did. 00:03:37.040 --> 00:03:38.520 Thank you. 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:41.000 Welcome Efra, it's good to be with you. 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:43.400 Hi Rik, thank you for having me, it's an honor. 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:45.640 You're welcome, it's an honor to have you. 00:03:45.640 --> 00:03:49.960 I enjoyed your book, I listened to the whole thing as I usually try to do with my guests, 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:57.160 mostly while walking in the woods. It was quite a harrowing story, your car crash was so 00:03:57.160 --> 00:04:03.720 severe and your recovery so arduous, but you were really heroic in the way you managed the whole 00:04:03.720 --> 00:04:08.920 thing. But before we get into that, what's your PhD and what was your academic training? 00:04:08.920 --> 00:04:13.640 Social organizational psychology, specialized in multicultural 00:04:13.640 --> 00:04:19.000 teams, group dynamics, multicultural group dynamics, stuff like that. 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:22.520 Okay, what do people who specialize like that actually do? 00:04:22.520 --> 00:04:29.000 Work in the corporate world from an organizational perspective. I was counseling 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:34.680 multinational organizations from a research perspective, because I was doing research, 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:43.960 managing their multicultural teams, bridging the differences, finding the global unified 00:04:43.960 --> 00:04:50.920 perspectives, those pieces that allow us to see each other as humans and then work together beyond, 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:56.200 I guess, the differences. Well, that's good. I have an old friend here in town named Tom Morgan 00:04:56.200 --> 00:05:01.560 who's been doing that professionally for years and you know he helps people not act like idiots when 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:08.440 they go and interact with some people from another culture. Good. There was an interesting precursor 00:05:08.440 --> 00:05:14.360 to your car accident. I think this was like four days beforehand you were in some gathering or 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:19.480 something with some people and with your kids and you had the thought "I want to be their mother" 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:25.080 which is kind of weird because you already were their mother but it's almost like a precognition 00:05:25.080 --> 00:05:27.640 or yeah, premonition of something that was going to happen. 00:05:27.640 --> 00:05:33.960 Yeah, yeah. My toddler was in our daycare and the twins were still at home with me and 00:05:33.960 --> 00:05:39.800 they were 13 months old and we had this group of moms and babies of the community. 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:46.520 Many had children my older daughter's age, my first, they were in daycare and we gathered 00:05:46.520 --> 00:05:52.120 in my house at that time to celebrate the twins' first year. It was like their first birthday 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:59.560 Together it was already 13 months and for me it was a celebration of managing this first year of being a mom to three little ones 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:03.880 twins just you know feeling i'm okay i'm starting to breathe 00:06:03.880 --> 00:06:11.000 And a number of pieces interesting with direct respect for what happened there, but I invited as a group facilitator 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.640 It was very natural for me to invite the moms 00:06:13.640 --> 00:06:18.700 For sharing and I asked other moms, uh, please share what motherhood 00:06:18.700 --> 00:06:21.160 means to you 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:25.160 I wasn't aware that I was actually outlining my quest 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:33.160 A quest that I would recognize much later when I was trying to define what makes me a mom when i'm unable to do all those 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:35.640 defined actions 00:06:35.640 --> 00:06:42.440 And I was last in the circle as a host and I had plenty I planned to say and be grateful to this 00:06:42.440 --> 00:06:47.560 amazing group of moms that was so helpful afterwards after the car crash 00:06:48.200 --> 00:06:54.600 And I was unable to say word now i'm a talkative redhead. I usually it's fine 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:57.320 And 00:06:57.320 --> 00:06:59.000 I couldn't 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:03.400 Make a sound out of my mouth and then all I managed to 00:07:03.400 --> 00:07:05.960 Whisper was 00:07:05.960 --> 00:07:07.960 I want to be their mother 00:07:07.960 --> 00:07:10.200 And everyone was quiet 00:07:10.200 --> 00:07:14.440 A good friend sitting next to me was like, are you okay? What's going on? 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:18.840 And I had no idea what was going on or what I was saying 00:07:18.840 --> 00:07:23.880 and you know babies were crawling around and the circle just 00:07:23.880 --> 00:07:27.320 started to get up and move and do things and 00:07:27.320 --> 00:07:29.960 I wrote it down. That's it 00:07:29.960 --> 00:07:31.960 And I returned to that piece only 00:07:31.960 --> 00:07:35.960 Later when I started integrating what had happened 00:07:35.960 --> 00:07:40.300 And again in retrospect, it's so easy to see things in retrospect 00:07:40.300 --> 00:07:42.920 I know it was a really deep prayer 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:45.000 on my behalf 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:52.360 that whatever happens, whatever I've planned for my journey, I want to stay here for my 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:59.160 daughters. That was the one motivation, the one thing that was important and is still 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:03.920 the main motivation in my life. I want to be here for them. 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:08.480 And this topic will come up during our conversation because one of the themes, one of the things 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:17.040 you learned since then is that we do plan out our life in many respects. So, we'll talk about that 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:23.840 more, but you must have somehow been subliminally aware of that intention, you know, that now 00:08:23.840 --> 00:08:29.120 becomes so dominant in your life and at that point was maybe taken for granted. 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:34.400 >>Sarah: Yeah, I never took motherhood for granted. I always knew that as soon as I would become a mom, 00:08:34.400 --> 00:08:37.880 I would be total and just push everything aside. 00:08:37.880 --> 00:08:40.720 It wasn't something that surprised anyone around me, 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:46.320 but that piece of premonition and the power it had on me, 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:49.080 it still has in a good way because, you know, 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:52.280 I unweaved any energetic binding it held. 00:08:52.280 --> 00:08:55.160 So I know it's the good driving force for me. 00:08:55.160 --> 00:08:58.080 Understanding that that's part of my journey. 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:01.360 It's an integral part of who I am for them, 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:02.600 who they are for me. 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:09.400 we as a nuclear family, our shared journey walking together. I think that's true for everyone, 00:09:09.400 --> 00:09:13.000 but for me it's a very prominent motivation. 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:21.480 All right, let's move right to the car crash. It was quite a watershed moment in your life. 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:22.920 Give us an account of that day. 00:09:22.920 --> 00:09:30.200 Felt like a regular day as it started. My husband felt he needed to stay home to work, 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:37.080 which was very good. So he stayed home and it was the one week I was teaching at the time because I 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:45.400 was mostly home with my twins and I nursed the twins together. An amazing embracement 00:09:45.400 --> 00:09:52.360 I hold physically in my body as a memory. And my mom came to watch them and she was there with 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:57.880 them for the morning. I took my toddler to her daycare which was a village. We live in an 00:09:58.520 --> 00:10:01.800 Area was small villages. It was dry for one village to another 00:10:01.800 --> 00:10:04.280 not a main road 00:10:04.280 --> 00:10:05.560 and 00:10:05.560 --> 00:10:11.480 It was as if I had time. I usually didn't spend time, you know, just sitting and talking to friends while leaving and 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:17.800 And I did and I was supposed to drive to the college. I was teaching at the time 00:10:17.800 --> 00:10:22.600 What I remember is it took me a long time to turn left into the main road 00:10:23.160 --> 00:10:28.360 Out of the village something didn't happen before I didn't remember I was waiting for so long 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:35.160 There were lots of cars passing and then it was my turn and I turned left and as soon as I turned left 00:10:35.160 --> 00:10:41.480 I don't remember anything but a sense of a boom. I did not see the other car coming 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:44.120 I did not feel my car 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:50.040 Spinning or anything. I did not feel the cars crashing. I just had a sense of a boom 00:10:50.760 --> 00:10:54.040 And I was out of my body in the most beautiful place there is 00:10:54.040 --> 00:10:58.200 I learned what happened only afterwards. Was it a head-on? 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.560 It was head to head the other driver slipped 00:11:01.560 --> 00:11:03.720 She's a good friend now 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:05.720 Which is another story 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:07.800 Or maybe it's not another story, you know 00:11:07.800 --> 00:11:12.200 It's like I was waiting to turn left because it was a moment of us crashing 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.640 And when I met this woman years later 00:11:15.640 --> 00:11:18.440 I felt such deep love 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:25.960 such soul love that I know that that moment of us crashing into one another, I feel like she loves 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:31.320 me so much at the soul level that she was willing to take responsibility for this crash happening 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:40.440 and create it in our literal earthly life so that I would get the kick that I needed to show up 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:45.320 in those elements that I needed to show up for. I've actually heard this from a number of near 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:51.940 near-death experience people that major players in their lives, they have almost 00:11:51.940 --> 00:11:56.960 pre-arranged the interaction. Even if it's something rather horrific, you know, like 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.520 I'm gonna try to murder you or rape you or in this case nearly kill you in a car 00:12:01.520 --> 00:12:04.760 crash, and it's almost like the conversation goes something like, "Well I 00:12:04.760 --> 00:12:08.760 have to have this experience. Would you volunteer to have a head-on collision 00:12:08.760 --> 00:12:11.780 with me? Oh no, I don't want to do that. I love you too much. I couldn't do that. No, 00:12:11.780 --> 00:12:16.020 please I need this and all right I'll do it. Yeah you hear that kind of 00:12:16.020 --> 00:12:21.340 explanation from people who have had these NDEs. I think that along my life I 00:12:21.340 --> 00:12:28.100 was given opportunities to show up and possibly avoid this big car crash and 00:12:28.100 --> 00:12:33.020 you just experience situations but I did not show up I was really really afraid to 00:12:33.020 --> 00:12:39.620 show up and connect to all those abilities that I carry and until I met 00:12:39.620 --> 00:12:47.300 her and felt that pure divine love that flows between us. I didn't think that we would arrange 00:12:47.300 --> 00:12:54.340 something like this. But yes, I understand today that sometimes those who love us most are willing 00:12:54.340 --> 00:13:02.660 to help us reach and become what we plan to become. And she helped me and then I helped her 00:13:02.660 --> 00:13:08.180 and we're walking this journey together now. So it's an amazing gift that I've received 00:13:08.180 --> 00:13:14.420 unintentionally. It was very hard for our environments, our people, we live in close communities. 00:13:14.420 --> 00:13:21.460 To even understand that it's possible to be friends with someone who created such a mess in my life. 00:13:21.460 --> 00:13:26.020 But this mess was a big blessing for us, you know, again in retrospect. 00:13:26.020 --> 00:13:31.380 There's a verse in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras that goes, "Hayam dukkha managatam," which means, 00:13:31.380 --> 00:13:36.900 "Avert the danger which has not yet come." And the idea is that maybe you could stub your toe 00:13:36.900 --> 00:13:42.340 instead of break your leg if you take certain measures to minimize the karma that you're 00:13:42.340 --> 00:13:47.220 going to have to go through. I really relate to that and I think that's part of what's driving 00:13:47.220 --> 00:13:54.020 me also in my work with children today that I know that if we give them the tools to stay aligned to 00:13:54.020 --> 00:14:01.220 who they are then they will still go through the lessons and the journey they planned but again it 00:14:01.220 --> 00:14:08.940 it will be dipping their toe, not having to drown in stormy water because something has 00:14:08.940 --> 00:14:10.700 to get their attention. 00:14:10.700 --> 00:14:13.600 I question this a lot about myself as well. 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:19.220 If I had grown up with spiritual tools and nourishment to my spiritual abilities, could 00:14:19.220 --> 00:14:24.900 I have avoided this whole car crash and E, which turned out to be a blessing. 00:14:24.900 --> 00:14:29.740 But I do ask that question and I look at my daughters and I look at the teens and children 00:14:29.740 --> 00:14:37.200 that I work with and wow, they're aligned to their selves and they know to discern what 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:42.700 is theirs and what is not in a very chaotic, confused environment. 00:14:42.700 --> 00:14:49.700 So I think we can go through our journey and unweave and experience and everything, but 00:14:49.700 --> 00:14:53.100 without a lot of the unneeded human drama. 00:14:53.100 --> 00:14:54.100 Yeah, yeah. 00:14:54.100 --> 00:14:55.100 We've made for ourselves. 00:14:55.100 --> 00:15:03.260 I'm sure many of us imagine how we might have lived our teenage years, for instance, had we known then 00:15:03.260 --> 00:15:08.620 what we know now. In my case, not doing a lot of things that were very destructive and that I 00:15:08.620 --> 00:15:14.540 probably had to spend years repairing. But in any case, obviously, if you're a parent and you can 00:15:14.540 --> 00:15:22.060 instill those values in children at a young age, then hopefully they won't go through such turbulent, 00:15:22.060 --> 00:15:24.060 Destructive behaviors 00:15:24.060 --> 00:15:29.020 Yeah, I think that if they need to go through it for whatever reason they will find a way to go through it 00:15:29.020 --> 00:15:33.180 Because that is part of what they set for their journey 00:15:33.180 --> 00:15:36.380 But there are so many ways to learn the same lesson 00:15:36.380 --> 00:15:39.180 And there are easier ways and there are tougher ways 00:15:39.180 --> 00:15:43.020 and sometimes we need to go through the tough stuff because 00:15:43.020 --> 00:15:50.060 It makes us more compassionate. It makes us understand others and be able to guide them when they go through something like that 00:15:50.620 --> 00:15:53.180 But I think that I will say it in a different way 00:15:53.180 --> 00:15:59.900 Our reality and the reality in which we are raising children today is a very noisy one 00:15:59.900 --> 00:16:02.380 competition 00:16:02.380 --> 00:16:04.140 horrible values 00:16:04.140 --> 00:16:05.420 noise 00:16:05.420 --> 00:16:06.780 social media 00:16:06.780 --> 00:16:08.220 Social media 00:16:08.220 --> 00:16:10.220 I usually use the word confusion 00:16:10.220 --> 00:16:15.040 Parents are confused because they don't have their tribe or community or clarity 00:16:15.580 --> 00:16:22.220 On how to guide their children and especially if their kids are spiritually aware ones and bring all kinds of gifts that they don't know how to handle 00:16:22.220 --> 00:16:28.220 Obviously everything is more dramatic and the journeys are becoming much more 00:16:28.220 --> 00:16:30.780 complex 00:16:30.780 --> 00:16:35.020 When we do manage to give the children tools from a very early age 00:16:35.020 --> 00:16:37.660 We make a difference 00:16:37.660 --> 00:16:41.420 and we help them stay aligned to who they are and then 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:47.320 managing school environments does not become easier, 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:50.960 but it does not hurt them as much. 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:54.640 We chose to homeschool, especially because of those reasons, 00:16:54.640 --> 00:16:56.960 because of understanding that even in a good school 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:00.560 and with amazing teachers, humans that really, really care, 00:17:00.560 --> 00:17:04.040 they are just unable when they have so many kids in class, 00:17:04.040 --> 00:17:07.960 so many issues to deal with, and it's just impossible. 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:10.920 So would my journey look different 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:16.040 If I was nourished the way I nourish my girls today and nourish other kids, maybe 00:17:16.040 --> 00:17:19.400 But I didn't even my friend to the car crash 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:22.040 To give me this gift 00:17:22.040 --> 00:17:23.160 of 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:24.760 stopping my life 00:17:24.760 --> 00:17:27.560 And building it from the start in a new way 00:17:27.560 --> 00:17:30.680 Well, I want to get back to your near-death experience in a second 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:34.120 But i've just reminded that just this past week australia passed a law 00:17:34.120 --> 00:17:38.520 That children under the age of 16 can't be on social media 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:40.920 They're not allowed to have access to it 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:44.760 There must be some kind of youth revolt going on in australia right now, but 00:17:44.760 --> 00:17:50.300 What do you think of that? I think that's very healthy. I don't think that's very realistic 00:17:50.300 --> 00:17:52.280 because 00:17:52.280 --> 00:17:57.880 Find ways around it probably they find ways around it and parents fall into it as well 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:00.680 So they give their kids the phone so they won't 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:06.600 my girls were in a school where phones were not allowed until the eighth grade and 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:14.520 Most parents kept that agreement and those kids who did have phones they had a like this stupid little phones. They don't have any 00:18:14.520 --> 00:18:17.080 internet connection, right 00:18:17.080 --> 00:18:22.760 But then the kids would take their parents phones at home and would see stuff and be exposed 00:18:22.760 --> 00:18:26.920 So I think sometimes guiding kids on how to use social media. Well 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:29.960 Is healthier than taking it away from them? 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:33.800 But if you take it away from the parents as well the kids that would work really really 00:18:33.800 --> 00:18:36.200 Yeah 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:40.040 Okay, so back to your near-death experience. So there was this boom 00:18:40.040 --> 00:18:43.000 and obviously you didn't even know you'd been in an accident because all of a 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:47.720 sudden you're in another realm. Spend some time describing that. 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:52.680 I was unaware I had a car crash. I was unaware I was out of my body. 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:57.000 I wasn't thinking about what was happening down there or my daughter's or 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:00.360 anything. I was just embraced in the most 00:19:00.360 --> 00:19:05.720 beautiful space there is. At first I felt I was flowing forward 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:10.840 And at some point I noticed I was not floating forward alone. There were other beings 00:19:10.840 --> 00:19:14.280 human figures that were floating forward 00:19:14.280 --> 00:19:15.960 with me 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:17.960 no interaction between us, but 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:25.160 It was like a stream flow of humans in retrospect. I understood that these were all souls that died 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:28.120 Ended their journey and were returning home 00:19:28.120 --> 00:19:34.600 Was it that those were israelis fellow israelis or could they have been from all over the world? 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:42.680 All over the world. I couldn't pinpoint any shared characteristic other than the moment of 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:49.240 floating forward. And at some point, other beings, some of them was a human figure, 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:54.200 some of them was a more luminous long figure, one of so an orb, like all kinds of 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:59.320 beings were floating forward towards us. Like a welcoming committee. 00:19:59.320 --> 00:20:05.480 No one was welcoming myself, but they were welcoming the others that were floating forward with me. 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:14.680 A really beautiful picture of embrace, of energetic embrace. The familiarity of some of those was very, 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:19.160 very noticed and those floating forward with me were just happy to float forward. 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:26.760 But I was unable to. At some point I reached this invisible barrier. I was not able to 00:20:27.320 --> 00:20:30.600 flowed forward with the others and others were coming and 00:20:30.600 --> 00:20:34.760 Welcomed and going forward and I was just there 00:20:34.760 --> 00:20:38.200 I didn't mind because it was also luminous 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:40.020 and 00:20:40.020 --> 00:20:42.020 beautiful and 00:20:42.020 --> 00:20:44.040 I felt like I was 00:20:44.040 --> 00:20:49.960 Love was bubbling into my cells, you know, it wasn't my physical form, but I still feel it in my physical form 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:54.760 Even now you feel it. Yeah, whenever I share this story, you can feel it 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:59.320 Or study meditation and connect to that feeling I I feel it in myself 00:20:59.320 --> 00:21:02.040 It was being accepted 00:21:02.040 --> 00:21:08.280 Totally accepted completely accepted loved just as I am there was no faults. There was nothing wrong 00:21:08.280 --> 00:21:14.760 No thoughts of I should do this. I should do that. Just this deep deep deep stillness and 00:21:14.760 --> 00:21:17.480 Feeling I am whole 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:20.600 I was hearing a bit of music far away 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:28.040 It was all just serene and amazing amazing. I am willing to die daily as long as I come back to be my daughter's mother 00:21:28.040 --> 00:21:30.120 As long as I need him 00:21:30.120 --> 00:21:33.900 At that in some point a figure came towards me. It looked like my grandfather 00:21:33.900 --> 00:21:39.480 I leave it open whether it was my grandfather or was it my higher guidance? 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:44.200 I recognize it today after working and evolving and and learning a lot of things 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:49.500 I recognize the frequency and I know it is a frequency of my higher guidance, but I saw it as my grandfather 00:21:50.280 --> 00:21:54.280 And there was this telepathic communication of love that everything was okay 00:21:54.280 --> 00:22:00.600 I'm a really warm welcome, but he was coming towards me and we were not crossing that barrier 00:22:00.600 --> 00:22:07.080 And from that point on he invited me and we were just there to this really large 00:22:07.080 --> 00:22:09.640 white shimmering balcony 00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:14.840 And I don't know if to describe it as if the balcony was floating above earth 00:22:14.840 --> 00:22:19.240 Or whether earth was spinning below the balcony doesn't matter 00:22:19.560 --> 00:22:22.940 I was shown a lot a lot of human interactions 00:22:22.940 --> 00:22:25.220 beautiful 00:22:25.220 --> 00:22:26.580 sad 00:22:26.580 --> 00:22:27.940 little details 00:22:27.940 --> 00:22:30.900 broader perspectives a lot of things with children 00:22:30.900 --> 00:22:37.540 And how we raise them. I didn't understand at the time how that's related to me, but it felt like a few days 00:22:37.540 --> 00:22:44.460 There was so much information about what humanity is about in the essence of humanity and the challenges of humanity 00:22:44.460 --> 00:22:47.860 And I just absorbed it all I wasn't um in any 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:49.920 awareness or 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:56.100 Cognitive mental ability to analyze what I saw just absorbed it and I was given explanations 00:22:56.100 --> 00:22:59.840 And at some point he just said okay 00:22:59.840 --> 00:23:04.960 It's your time to go back and I didn't even have a chance to say wait. This is so beautiful here 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:08.160 You know, why do I have to go back? 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:12.160 I wasn't asked and I think I knew within me that I wasn't 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:13.840 to stay 00:23:13.840 --> 00:23:20.800 where I was and I was just floating backwards and there was another boom because I fell into my very 00:23:20.800 --> 00:23:23.520 fatally injured body 00:23:23.520 --> 00:23:25.680 from that point on I was uh 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:30.560 Coming in and out of my body was impossible to stay in my physical 00:23:30.560 --> 00:23:33.760 painful bleeding injured body 00:23:33.760 --> 00:23:39.120 I saw a fire come at the front of the car and the fire people are putting it down and 00:23:39.760 --> 00:23:43.280 And I wasn't still in any awareness that there was a car crash and something happened 00:23:43.280 --> 00:23:46.720 I was just going in and out in and out in and out every time you went out 00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:51.280 Did you go back to that heavenly area? No, no, no. No, I didn't go back to that heavenly area 00:23:51.280 --> 00:23:57.280 I was just losing consciousness or oh floating above your body. Okay. Yeah coming in like an out-of-body experience, right? 00:23:57.280 --> 00:23:59.360 Very close to my body 00:23:59.360 --> 00:24:03.600 I returned to that dimensions later when I was in the icu already 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:10.320 And there was this really really nice guy that did not see the car crash happen, but stopped and he's a neighbor here 00:24:10.320 --> 00:24:14.800 And the paramedics told him talk to her talk to her talk to her and he was really 00:24:14.800 --> 00:24:18.160 Concerned he saw the bases of the click connect at the back seat 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:22.480 So he was really concerned that there were babies in the car that flew out of the car 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:26.880 And he saw baby seats in the back seat just the base of the click connect. I see 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:29.520 The seats were not there just a base 00:24:30.080 --> 00:24:33.200 He was really concerned and he kept asking me were there any babies with you? 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:38.880 Were there any babies with you and I was I felt like I was answering his question, but he didn't hear anything 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:41.200 My eyes were rolling. I was barely breathing 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:48.080 And then at some point I came back into my body for a few seconds or a moment and I said 00:24:48.080 --> 00:24:51.600 No babies were with me. I gave him I was very clear 00:24:51.600 --> 00:24:57.120 I gave him my husband's name. They have the same name. I gave him my home phone number 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:01.600 And I told him calling and telling to come over here was really close by 00:25:01.600 --> 00:25:08.880 And then I just drifted away and at that point I was already not really floating above in and above I was just back 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:11.920 Into some luminous space of love 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:16.560 Uh, there was no additional guidance at that moment. Just just floating 00:25:16.560 --> 00:25:19.680 Later when I was in the icu 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:26.640 I went back but it was to the same visions that I already experienced in my near-death experience. That's my understanding. I was like 00:25:27.420 --> 00:25:34.220 Repeating those experiences within me and coming in and out experiencing more. That's my understanding of what happened 00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:37.900 There was no really new piece that happened during those days 00:25:37.900 --> 00:25:41.540 Yeah in my body out of my body in my body out of my body 00:25:41.540 --> 00:25:46.880 Repeating until they reduced the anesthesia and brought me back 00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:49.380 accepting 00:25:49.380 --> 00:25:56.420 Smiling I was in a lot of pain and we had to learn how to manage the pain killers at that stage 00:25:56.420 --> 00:26:02.620 But the reflection I received from other was like you're accepting things that just happened to you like you're supposed to be mad 00:26:02.620 --> 00:26:04.620 You're supposed to 00:26:04.620 --> 00:26:06.140 You're supposed to be 00:26:06.140 --> 00:26:12.560 Deprived and it wasn't that I was joyful, but I was relaxed in a deep knowing that was beyond me 00:26:12.560 --> 00:26:16.020 That now I can understand but I didn't understand at the time 00:26:16.020 --> 00:26:23.220 That one reads in your book that your intestines were ripped into multiple pieces and you had all these broken bones 00:26:23.460 --> 00:26:28.460 Yeah, and they had to open a stoma. That was a piece that really, really surprised them. 00:26:28.460 --> 00:26:32.460 A stoma is like a little portal in your abdomen? Is that what that is? 00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:36.460 Yeah, it's a portal in the abdomen that everything goes out to it, like into exchangeable bags. 00:26:36.460 --> 00:26:37.460 Right, right. 00:26:37.460 --> 00:26:39.460 It's a version of a diaper. 00:26:39.460 --> 00:26:44.460 They were shocked that I was just relaxed. I said, "You saved my life. I will deal with this." 00:26:44.460 --> 00:26:50.460 I didn't care about it. And I think that was a piece that, based on the physician's experience, 00:26:50.460 --> 00:26:53.020 Is that was a piece that was really troubling many people? 00:26:53.020 --> 00:26:57.100 I understand why it would be troubling but my reaction would was 00:26:57.100 --> 00:27:00.380 This is something I can live with i'm here and i'm alive 00:27:00.380 --> 00:27:03.500 And that's all that mattered eventually 00:27:03.500 --> 00:27:07.420 I healed enough for that to be closed and I don't have to deal with it daily 00:27:07.420 --> 00:27:11.020 But I know a lot of people that do deal with it daily and they have a full life 00:27:11.020 --> 00:27:13.100 nobody knows 00:27:13.100 --> 00:27:19.420 This is something I would often feel that oh if people knew that there are so many people with this condition 00:27:19.820 --> 00:27:25.100 that would be so patient and would help others who experience this transition. 00:27:25.100 --> 00:27:27.980 Sometimes the system doesn't work and this help is needed. 00:27:27.980 --> 00:27:31.820 And we are fortunate to have such amazing modern medicine. 00:27:31.820 --> 00:27:34.220 That saved my life. 00:27:34.220 --> 00:27:37.100 Sure. That's why we have so many near-death experiences, 00:27:37.100 --> 00:27:39.020 is that we have such amazing modern medicine. 00:27:39.020 --> 00:27:43.900 In the old days, most people who have end-to-ease would have just died. 00:27:43.900 --> 00:27:47.820 But now they come back through cardiac resuscitation and various things, 00:27:47.820 --> 00:27:51.180 and they have all these marvelous experiences to report to us. 00:27:51.180 --> 00:27:56.300 >> Yeah, but I think we have those experiences not just, you know, because of modern medicine, 00:27:56.300 --> 00:28:04.380 I think we crave them as society. We crave the reminder of who we are. I know what my story does 00:28:04.380 --> 00:28:10.220 to people, it's a reminder of the, it's real, it's real, it really happens. It's not about 00:28:10.220 --> 00:28:16.060 believing anymore that something is beyond us, it's about knowing it myself. There are so many 00:28:16.060 --> 00:28:22.940 of us, not just near-death experiences, all kinds of experiences, like in meditations, and receive 00:28:22.940 --> 00:28:28.060 that inner confirmation. And life changes after you get this confirmation, because you can't be 00:28:28.060 --> 00:28:34.380 just human. We are here to live a human life, but it's about embracing our spirituality into our 00:28:34.380 --> 00:28:39.900 human life, and not just playing free will and doing whatever we want and getting confused. 00:28:39.900 --> 00:28:44.140 No, for sure. I read quite a few NDE books before I started this show, 00:28:44.940 --> 00:28:48.940 not knowing I was going to start this show, but I just found them fascinating. And I had already 00:28:48.940 --> 00:28:55.180 been meditating for many years, so I had that kind of receptivity. But NDEs have always fascinated me 00:28:55.180 --> 00:29:00.140 because I said this last week, last week I interviewed a guy who has stage four cancer. 00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:07.420 And one point I brought up was that I feel like our understanding of what happens after you die 00:29:07.420 --> 00:29:13.100 has a big effect on how we live. If you think you're going to hell or heaven, or you think it's 00:29:13.100 --> 00:29:16.260 you're going to be totally lights out and you're going to utterly cease to exist. 00:29:16.260 --> 00:29:22.060 I mean, all those different perspectives might really influence how you conduct your life. 00:29:22.060 --> 00:29:27.600 And I know NDE people, people like James Van Praag and Betty Eadie and various others, 00:29:27.600 --> 00:29:29.540 they say, "I'm not afraid of dying at all. 00:29:29.540 --> 00:29:30.780 Kind of looking forward to it. 00:29:30.780 --> 00:29:36.660 I'll enjoy my life as long as it lasts, but when I die, I know it's going to be fine." 00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:40.780 I just saw a movie last night that had Raymond Burr in it, who used to play Perry Mason on 00:29:40.780 --> 00:29:42.060 TV. 00:29:42.060 --> 00:29:46.340 I remember hearing a story about when he was on his deathbed, he was utterly terrified of 00:29:46.340 --> 00:29:51.360 death that he like tried to continue sitting up rather than lying down because he thought 00:29:51.360 --> 00:29:54.100 it would prevent him from dying or something. 00:29:54.100 --> 00:29:58.420 Now I think with your understanding of what death is and many of the people who are listening 00:29:58.420 --> 00:30:04.200 to this show, that seems kind of absurd and unfortunate because it's not really something 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:06.180 to be so terrified of. 00:30:06.180 --> 00:30:10.780 It's just a transition which could really be quite beautiful for people. 00:30:10.780 --> 00:30:17.100 beautiful transition and it's going home. It's going to where we are back to our essence. It's 00:30:17.100 --> 00:30:23.340 ending a journey. But we are disconnected from that piece of life and death, that cycle, 00:30:23.340 --> 00:30:28.620 that rhythmic cycle. We're disconnected from it in so many elements of our life, not just our own 00:30:28.620 --> 00:30:35.180 death. And then all people go to houses and they die in hospital instead of homes. And there's so 00:30:35.180 --> 00:30:39.820 So many aspects of death that we have mistreated. 00:30:39.820 --> 00:30:43.380 I'm not sure if I'm using all the politically correct words. 00:30:43.380 --> 00:30:44.380 I apologize for that. 00:30:44.380 --> 00:30:52.080 But when death is a really beautiful birth of a soul returning back to its essence, letting 00:30:52.080 --> 00:30:54.380 go of heavy journey. 00:30:54.380 --> 00:30:56.980 But for many people, it is sad. 00:30:56.980 --> 00:31:02.100 They're so disconnected from who they are, from their essence, from their luminosity, 00:31:02.100 --> 00:31:08.420 this cycle of life and death in nature, in everything, that it's very, very hard. I agree 00:31:08.420 --> 00:31:14.340 with those who had NDEs. I am willing to die daily. And I visit those realms again and again and again 00:31:14.340 --> 00:31:19.780 using shamanic journey and using meditations. It is possible for many people to experience it 00:31:19.780 --> 00:31:24.900 in a different way. Rick Like you just said, you don't have to have an NDE. In fact, I hope I don't 00:31:24.900 --> 00:31:28.900 have one because it's kind of like playing Russian roulette. I don't know what's going to happen. 00:31:28.900 --> 00:31:34.900 but with practices, you know, shamanic journeying, meditation, etc., you can have the basically the 00:31:34.900 --> 00:31:43.060 same experience. Yes, the same experience, just as powerful, opening up to it and remembering who 00:31:43.060 --> 00:31:48.900 you are and that you are more. I think the point I find is that it teaches us what happens about 00:31:48.900 --> 00:31:56.020 the afterlife and that there is a lot beyond our human existence, but I also find that it's really 00:31:56.020 --> 00:32:01.220 important that we bring it down back to earth because we are here. I always ask myself, 00:32:01.220 --> 00:32:05.900 so what does it teach me not about the afterlife, but what does it teach me about, as you said 00:32:05.900 --> 00:32:10.740 earlier about how I want to live, how I want to interact with people, how I want to walk 00:32:10.740 --> 00:32:15.340 my mission and be very grounded in my spirituality. 00:32:15.340 --> 00:32:21.260 Good. I want to ask you more about that experience when you were standing on some kind of balcony 00:32:21.260 --> 00:32:28.980 with your supposed grandfather overseeing vignettes on earth of large and small dramas. 00:32:28.980 --> 00:32:30.900 Can you give us some more details about that? 00:32:30.900 --> 00:32:32.860 >>S.SKERRITT I can give you general details. 00:32:32.860 --> 00:32:36.500 I'm constantly guided not to share the little details of what I've seen. 00:32:36.500 --> 00:32:38.940 I did not see the future of humanity. 00:32:38.940 --> 00:32:44.100 I was seeing scenes of reality from different cultures, different groups, interactions of 00:32:44.100 --> 00:32:49.980 parents and children, interactions in classroom, interactions among groups of children, interactions 00:32:49.980 --> 00:32:57.340 around adults, I was seeing a lot of human confusion. I was giving numerous examples of human confusion 00:32:57.340 --> 00:33:04.300 and how this confusion is created by often very good intentions. That would be a general 00:33:04.300 --> 00:33:08.540 description. I apologize that I can't get into the details, but this is a guidance that I'm 00:33:08.540 --> 00:33:14.060 constantly receiving. Don't go into those details. Just out of curiosity, why do you think that you 00:33:14.060 --> 00:33:19.740 receive that guidance to not go into the details? Would it be like you'd be telling people stuff 00:33:19.740 --> 00:33:22.780 they're supposed to figure out on their own and they're not supposed to be told? 00:33:22.780 --> 00:33:27.100 That's an interesting question. I never questioned the guidance I received. 00:33:27.100 --> 00:33:33.340 As long as you know it makes sense, it just always makes sense to me not to go into the details. 00:33:33.340 --> 00:33:38.380 I think people catch up on some examples and then say this is how things are and this is 00:33:38.380 --> 00:33:43.580 this and that. It's like when people channel information, this is something I personally 00:33:43.580 --> 00:33:50.140 choose to avoid because I learned that if I channel a piece of information people catch onto it and 00:33:50.140 --> 00:33:56.380 it's like, but wait, self-reference for a second. Do you know who gave me this information? And this 00:33:56.380 --> 00:34:02.940 information has come through me and maybe I colored it a little bit because of my life experience and 00:34:02.940 --> 00:34:09.020 how I say things and where I come from and so I really avoid those pieces. I love sharing tools, 00:34:09.020 --> 00:34:14.060 I love sharing case studies, I love sharing ways of, questions of how to look at things. 00:34:14.060 --> 00:34:20.380 But I do my best not to channel information, like the most channeled pieces that I share are the 00:34:20.380 --> 00:34:24.700 mystical healing stories that I have on my website and I also share in the book at the beginning of 00:34:24.700 --> 00:34:29.980 each chapter. It's like I see them and I share them as there is and I'm trusting that people 00:34:29.980 --> 00:34:34.060 will get the energy that they need out of them. Yeah, I think I know what you mean. My most 00:34:34.060 --> 00:34:39.820 popular interview is with a channeler, and I noticed that on various YouTube channels, 00:34:39.820 --> 00:34:45.900 channelers and healers are very popular. But it's almost like people want someone who's going to do 00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:53.660 it for them, who's going to tell them something rather than give them the tools to discover it or 00:34:53.660 --> 00:34:57.740 learn it themselves. It's like that saying, "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him how 00:34:57.740 --> 00:35:03.740 of fish and he eats for a lifetime. >>Exactly, exactly. And that's, with children I notice, 00:35:03.740 --> 00:35:09.900 it's amazing because when they know how to connect within and listen to their own knowings, 00:35:09.900 --> 00:35:15.180 and trust themselves because they gain experience, and they connect to their guidance, 00:35:15.180 --> 00:35:20.780 and they have always someone to consult from within. So then they don't have to rely on what 00:35:20.780 --> 00:35:27.260 other people say. And our society teaches us to be passive, passive consumers of information. 00:35:27.260 --> 00:35:33.440 But that does not bring us to what we are. We're all co-creators or we all have the potential to be co-creators 00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:36.220 if we show up 00:35:36.220 --> 00:35:40.140 I love teaching kids how to do that because they have it anyway 00:35:40.140 --> 00:35:47.440 It's more like pushing their button of remembering and often it's not even remembering. It's a button button of confirmation 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:49.660 Like what they're doing 00:35:49.660 --> 00:35:53.420 Is right the younger they are the easier it is because they're not confused yet 00:35:53.820 --> 00:35:58.940 Yeah, and then they know for themselves and they don't need to go to someone else to channel information 00:35:58.940 --> 00:36:02.640 Not some people who channel are amazing amazing 00:36:02.640 --> 00:36:04.860 but most 00:36:04.860 --> 00:36:09.260 Things go through them through our human perceptions. You can't avoid that 00:36:09.260 --> 00:36:14.860 It's like we can't presume we're clean. I don't presume that about myself and there are very few people 00:36:14.860 --> 00:36:20.380 I have met such people but very few that I would trust the information that they would channel 00:36:20.700 --> 00:36:26.940 but I have an open route myself and everyone can have their own open route if they're willing to 00:36:26.940 --> 00:36:32.300 learn and it's not that difficult. Sure, so what you're saying essentially is that the information 00:36:32.300 --> 00:36:40.380 can get distorted as it passes through a imperfect mind-body system which we all have and therefore 00:36:40.380 --> 00:36:46.540 it shouldn't be given some kind of absolute significance or veracity but I think that's 00:36:46.540 --> 00:36:50.720 also true of everything we ourselves learn or cognize. It's always good to take yourself 00:36:50.720 --> 00:36:56.300 with a grain of salt. Because some people are so damn sure of their opinions that they're 00:36:56.300 --> 00:37:01.500 willing to kill for them. And if we all could take ourselves a little bit less seriously, 00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:03.180 it might be an easier world to live in. 00:37:03.180 --> 00:37:07.900 And question and question everything. And maybe today I know something. I know what 00:37:07.900 --> 00:37:11.900 I experienced in my near-death experience. I know how it affected me. But I don't expect 00:37:11.900 --> 00:37:16.540 other parents to take what I experienced into their life the way I experienced it. 00:37:16.540 --> 00:37:21.400 It is for them to figure out how it plays in their family. What is their 00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:26.540 journey? It's easier when someone tells you what to do. It's easier but that 00:37:26.540 --> 00:37:32.540 distracts us from our own paths and we all know, we all know every human being, 00:37:32.540 --> 00:37:39.500 every child has the potential, the ability to know their own signs and walk 00:37:39.500 --> 00:37:45.260 through journey in joy, in ease. It's a lot of work to get there because we're starting often 00:37:45.260 --> 00:37:50.700 in a confused spot. But it is possible. Look at your journey, what you've been through and what 00:37:50.700 --> 00:37:56.380 you become in my journey and so many others that you interview. People find that essence of 00:37:56.380 --> 00:38:03.100 or and follow it. Yeah, very important. I think one of the problems with cults and the reason 00:38:03.100 --> 00:38:10.540 and there have been so many toxic cults, is that people abdicate their self-reliance, 00:38:10.540 --> 00:38:14.660 their own judgment, their own common sense, and confer it upon the teacher. 00:38:14.660 --> 00:38:20.100 Instead, I heard from a friend who was at a particular retreat center run by someone 00:38:20.100 --> 00:38:25.900 I would characterize as a cult leader, and any kind of initiative or creativity was strongly 00:38:25.900 --> 00:38:26.900 discouraged. 00:38:26.900 --> 00:38:29.860 She was working in the kitchen, and she was like, "Hey, what if we make this kind of 00:38:29.860 --> 00:38:30.860 salad dressing?" 00:38:30.860 --> 00:38:36.940 don't make any decisions, the leader makes all the decisions, you know. She ended up having a medical 00:38:36.940 --> 00:38:41.500 crisis and they weren't able to deal with her responsibly because the leader had to make the 00:38:41.500 --> 00:38:46.620 decisions. So anyway, I'm going off on a bit of a tangent, but I think if there were a greater 00:38:46.620 --> 00:38:53.500 emphasis and appreciation for self-referral, self-reliance, then we wouldn't have so many 00:38:53.500 --> 00:38:59.660 unfortunate cult situations. Which is not to say that we can't honor and respect and learn from 00:38:59.660 --> 00:39:07.020 teachers, but the teacher obviously has the obligation to allow his students to do their 00:39:07.020 --> 00:39:12.260 own thinking and not be like little children who have to be told everything and can't do 00:39:12.260 --> 00:39:14.420 anything independently. 00:39:14.420 --> 00:39:18.260 Perhaps this will segue us into how you teach children. 00:39:18.260 --> 00:39:22.980 I love working with children because they're so amazing, they're so evolved, and they're 00:39:22.980 --> 00:39:24.940 so spiritual, they're so wise. 00:39:24.940 --> 00:39:27.460 They are my teachers. 00:39:27.460 --> 00:39:28.700 All of them. 00:39:28.700 --> 00:39:34.140 children that I would look from the side and think oh my god this is like a big mess and 00:39:34.140 --> 00:39:40.300 and they're behaving horribly and whatever in my opinion in my view they are coming with an 00:39:40.300 --> 00:39:46.860 invitation there is always a reason for why a child behaves the way he does and they offer us 00:39:46.860 --> 00:39:52.540 as parents they offer us triggers and if we don't respond the trigger will get bigger and if we don't 00:39:52.540 --> 00:39:58.220 respond the trigger will get bigger because they came here to walk a shared journey and they need 00:39:58.220 --> 00:40:04.620 us to show up for what they need from us to create the conditions. I work with children first through 00:40:04.620 --> 00:40:13.340 their parents because I found along the way that if the parents are not really into finding their 00:40:13.340 --> 00:40:19.100 own essence and are not willing to take responsibility and work with their stuff, 00:40:19.100 --> 00:40:26.460 then they will not be able to support their child. In shamanic terms, for example, sometimes 00:40:26.460 --> 00:40:28.860 Retrieve a soul part which is another way of 00:40:28.860 --> 00:40:32.900 reactivating a dormant piece of energy and 00:40:32.900 --> 00:40:38.220 restoring flow if we bring a soul part back to a child and 00:40:38.220 --> 00:40:40.940 return a creative vibe 00:40:40.940 --> 00:40:47.340 Sensitivity some kind of unique joy, whatever comes back. These are always positive 00:40:47.340 --> 00:40:52.660 Qualities and return to us, but the parents are going to keep yelling at that child 00:40:52.860 --> 00:40:57.980 They're just going to push that piece away or block that energy again. 00:40:57.980 --> 00:41:00.820 So without the parents, it's impossible to work with children. 00:41:00.820 --> 00:41:03.120 So that's my first orientation. 00:41:03.120 --> 00:41:08.900 That's also why I wrote the book for parents and all the guidance I give through my website. 00:41:08.900 --> 00:41:12.300 A lot of free resources are for the parents. 00:41:12.300 --> 00:41:14.660 But then I guide the parents how to work with children. 00:41:14.660 --> 00:41:20.380 I'm offering a lot of tools, energetic tools, like how to visualize a light wash, how to 00:41:20.380 --> 00:41:22.380 use your breathing. 00:41:22.380 --> 00:41:27.720 People are not even aware of such basic tools of breathing, how to anchor in the ground, 00:41:27.720 --> 00:41:30.700 how to be present, how to expand. 00:41:30.700 --> 00:41:32.940 This is an interesting beast with a lot of kids. 00:41:32.940 --> 00:41:37.740 The children that come to me and the teens that come to me are always all spiritually 00:41:37.740 --> 00:41:44.580 aware, which means that they are able to float out of their bodies, sort to other dimensions, 00:41:44.580 --> 00:41:48.480 they bring information, they constantly go in and out. 00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:54.320 So being here grounded in the human activity is often really challenging for them, no matter 00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:56.480 what issue brings them to me. 00:41:56.480 --> 00:42:03.000 So we teach them, for example, how to expand, how to intentionally expand, how to intentionally 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:08.640 go on a shamanic journey so they get enough of that connection with other dimensions that 00:42:08.640 --> 00:42:09.640 they need. 00:42:09.640 --> 00:42:15.100 And then they don't have to be floating at school or find those moments where they disconnect 00:42:15.100 --> 00:42:21.900 Because they're present and they learn how to expand they learn how to ground so it's a lot of very very very simple 00:42:21.900 --> 00:42:24.040 energetic 00:42:24.040 --> 00:42:25.180 meditative 00:42:25.180 --> 00:42:26.380 tools 00:42:26.380 --> 00:42:28.380 locally, I have a group of uh 00:42:28.380 --> 00:42:31.340 Of they're now I would refer to all of them as teens 00:42:31.340 --> 00:42:36.540 But we we started with them as children moms and and their daughters all friends of my daughters 00:42:36.540 --> 00:42:38.940 That we we used to meet once a week 00:42:38.940 --> 00:42:43.500 We now meet here and there and we do a journey together and we practice together 00:42:43.980 --> 00:42:48.460 And with the teens among them which there are 15 16 17 18 00:42:48.460 --> 00:42:52.140 Young adults some of them. I also practice really 00:42:52.140 --> 00:42:55.240 profound shamanic 00:42:55.240 --> 00:42:59.420 Interventions teaching them all kinds of tools. They're all little born shamans 00:42:59.420 --> 00:43:02.140 able to embrace 00:43:02.140 --> 00:43:07.580 Their own inner knowing and it's amazing to witness them from the side and hear their mom's 00:43:07.580 --> 00:43:10.140 stories about how they face 00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:16.960 society and conflict and all kinds of situations staying constantly centered because they have 00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:18.580 the tools to connect. 00:43:18.580 --> 00:43:22.620 So various levels of work with children. 00:43:22.620 --> 00:43:25.860 Do you do some of this remotely like on Zoom? 00:43:25.860 --> 00:43:31.700 I do a lot of work privately on Zoom with parents and sometimes also with their children, 00:43:31.700 --> 00:43:32.700 but not in a group setting. 00:43:32.700 --> 00:43:38.100 The group setting is local, but I do guide other shamanic practitioners or energy healers 00:43:38.100 --> 00:43:42.060 that want to create such groups, would have to create their own groups so that they would 00:43:42.060 --> 00:43:44.140 have that in their communities. 00:43:44.140 --> 00:43:48.380 That's good to know because I've run into, I can think of three at the moment, situations 00:43:48.380 --> 00:43:52.940 where a young person has some kind of beautiful gift. 00:43:52.940 --> 00:43:57.660 Perhaps they see auras or they see subtle beings or they have access to higher dimensions, 00:43:57.660 --> 00:44:00.740 but in this dimension, their life isn't going so well. 00:44:00.740 --> 00:44:05.700 You know, they just can't handle it, can't deal, can't behave properly, etc. 00:44:05.700 --> 00:44:13.220 I guess in those kind of situations I often guide parents those who approach me about such situations are usually the parents 00:44:13.220 --> 00:44:16.100 Sometimes it would be a grandmother or a teacher 00:44:16.100 --> 00:44:20.740 That somehow found out about me and sends an email about how do I guide? 00:44:20.740 --> 00:44:22.320 so 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:24.820 Especially teens. There's so many books 00:44:24.820 --> 00:44:31.800 They're not a lot of good books for teens, but there are some good books also for teens about psychic abilities 00:44:32.740 --> 00:44:37.460 And you can get them kind of written for teens who have psychic abilities that yes. Yes. Yes 00:44:37.460 --> 00:44:39.860 I don't want to pronounce her name wrong 00:44:39.860 --> 00:44:44.020 I can send you the name later if that okay, that is helpful. Yeah like that 00:44:44.020 --> 00:44:50.180 There are a number of books for a psychic teen. I think is the name of one of them psychic teen 00:44:50.180 --> 00:44:57.140 Books for teens and there are also a lot of amazing books for adults that teens can already read 00:44:57.140 --> 00:45:00.500 Sure providing that is one tool that is really 00:45:01.060 --> 00:45:06.120 Helpful because then that they can read on their own. There are a lot of tools and it's a trustworthy 00:45:06.120 --> 00:45:12.020 Uh, we do the self-referencing and give a trustworthy source and i'll just tell them. Okay fine folks 00:45:12.020 --> 00:45:18.420 And another thing is finding an energy healer a shamanic practitioner someone in the community 00:45:18.420 --> 00:45:22.340 They can actually be connected with and that can help them 00:45:22.340 --> 00:45:28.580 Understand what they're experiencing and I think the most important piece is usually just making it normal 00:45:28.980 --> 00:45:34.180 Having them understand that a lot of people have those experiences and that they are not 00:45:34.180 --> 00:45:36.580 strange in any way 00:45:36.580 --> 00:45:41.460 and another piece which is really important for teens, I think is having them understand that 00:45:41.460 --> 00:45:43.860 When they know things 00:45:43.860 --> 00:45:48.660 It doesn't mean that they created a situation. They're just tapped into the field 00:45:48.660 --> 00:45:55.700 Right, like if they know that somebody's gonna die in an accident or something doesn't mean they cause the accident. Yes 00:45:56.020 --> 00:45:59.940 Yes, and and during the that phase of being a teen it's like 00:45:59.940 --> 00:46:04.180 with puberty the soul starts to uh scream 00:46:04.180 --> 00:46:09.320 I want to be myself. I want to be who I am and then it's and it's very conflicting 00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:11.700 with social 00:46:11.700 --> 00:46:13.700 demand at that age 00:46:13.700 --> 00:46:19.220 And all kinds of abilities come sometimes it's not even going to be their dominant ability later on in life 00:46:19.700 --> 00:46:24.180 But it comes and they know things like someone would car in a car die in a car crash 00:46:24.180 --> 00:46:30.340 I had those experiences as a team. It was really really scary. That's part of why I closed that door 00:46:30.340 --> 00:46:32.100 um 00:46:32.100 --> 00:46:37.620 And now I understand it's just a matter of I was tapping into the energetic field. That was it 00:46:37.620 --> 00:46:44.740 And so I was knowing things about other people which you can learn also how to block this that I know now 00:46:45.220 --> 00:46:50.260 But I felt responsible it was really really scary and every team that I work with 00:46:50.260 --> 00:46:53.220 at some point has those 00:46:53.220 --> 00:46:56.820 Knowings and need to learn how to deal with them 00:46:56.820 --> 00:47:03.700 So even just giving the confirmation, it's not you you're tapping into the field. There is energy. What are you seeing is real? 00:47:03.700 --> 00:47:06.020 What are you experiencing that type of? 00:47:06.020 --> 00:47:10.740 Reassurance and connections with people that can guide and and they're everywhere 00:47:10.740 --> 00:47:13.880 We're fortunate to be living in times everywhere 00:47:14.740 --> 00:47:21.460 Even in countries that we don't think there are spiritual, energetic awareness, there is. 00:47:21.460 --> 00:47:26.500 I know from the type of clients that I receive everywhere. So just connect, 00:47:26.500 --> 00:47:30.100 connect to those people and then they would have the ability to guide. 00:47:30.100 --> 00:47:35.140 Yeah, I like that point. I've done a bit of traveling, some of it to countries where you 00:47:35.140 --> 00:47:39.860 would expect to find such people such as India and the Philippines and places like that. But 00:47:39.860 --> 00:47:44.580 I also spent three months in Iran, and I met some very impressive people there. 00:47:44.580 --> 00:47:48.940 It was kind of a crazy place, but there's real special people everywhere. 00:47:48.940 --> 00:47:51.100 There are special people everywhere. 00:47:51.100 --> 00:47:56.300 I think there are a lot of people, even in the countries that we look from the side and 00:47:56.300 --> 00:47:58.260 say, "Oh, what's going on there?" 00:47:58.260 --> 00:47:59.260 Including mine. 00:47:59.260 --> 00:48:08.460 There are luminous humans with high frequencies, high vibrations, knowing people everywhere. 00:48:08.460 --> 00:48:14.540 It's not always easy to find them in some places, and we have this global community, but I'm 00:48:14.540 --> 00:48:20.180 always happy to refer people to local connections that I have if I can. 00:48:20.180 --> 00:48:23.620 And there are many others, I think, that can connect others as well. 00:48:23.620 --> 00:48:24.620 Yeah. 00:48:24.620 --> 00:48:30.700 I heard you say, and I've heard others say, that children choose their parents. 00:48:30.700 --> 00:48:34.420 And obviously, you know, if you hear that, your immediate thought is, "Why are they going 00:48:34.420 --> 00:48:42.180 to choose to be born in Somalia, or Gaza, or to an alcoholic father, or a sexually abusive 00:48:42.180 --> 00:48:48.900 father, or an emotionally unavailable mother, or all kinds of rough situations that people 00:48:48.900 --> 00:48:52.220 are born in, how would you respond to those questions? 00:48:52.220 --> 00:49:01.420 >> I think that choice in challenging circumstances can stem from different type of reasons. 00:49:01.420 --> 00:49:08.240 The extreme reason, which is not common, is because the soul or being actually wants to 00:49:08.240 --> 00:49:14.000 experience that very violent, inappropriate situation. 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:15.680 And it's very, very uncommon. 00:49:15.680 --> 00:49:17.500 Why would they want that? 00:49:17.500 --> 00:49:20.040 To be able to assist others later. 00:49:20.040 --> 00:49:24.480 Not even later in this life necessarily, but in some life they need to have that in their 00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:25.480 toolkit. 00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:32.600 soul kid, when we experience something, our understanding deepens in profound ways. 00:49:32.600 --> 00:49:34.640 But that is very, very uncommon. 00:49:34.640 --> 00:49:40.480 Most souls would not choose to experience any type of sexual violation or that sort of stuff. 00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:44.880 Rick: Could you say there might be a karmic thing where someone had violated children 00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:48.480 sexually and therefore they needed to be on the other side of that experience in order 00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:51.760 to balance the karma or learn the lesson or something? 00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:53.000 Suzanne: Rarely. 00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:54.000 Rarely. 00:49:54.000 --> 00:50:00.880 I think that what really happens is that a lot of souls and beings, it's more true for souls and beings that are coming, but 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:03.600 There is a choice 00:50:03.600 --> 00:50:10.160 The choice is not always just about my own journey as a soul. Soul is a very complex concept 00:50:10.160 --> 00:50:12.520 But as a soul, it's not just about my journey 00:50:12.520 --> 00:50:17.000 it's often about the journey of souls that I'm related to or a soul group or 00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:22.900 coming back to a family lines that I visited before in order to offer healing in order to 00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:27.100 Expand something in order to bring resolution to something. There are so many reasons 00:50:27.100 --> 00:50:33.820 And then we compromise and we know we would go to a family that is maybe partially functioning 00:50:33.820 --> 00:50:37.800 Or will be challenging for us because of that soul connection 00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:41.720 And then there is also that piece of us choosing the potential 00:50:41.720 --> 00:50:45.560 I notice it a lot with spiritually or children 00:50:45.560 --> 00:50:47.800 They're so trusting 00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:49.160 as essence 00:50:49.160 --> 00:50:52.040 Before incarnating or anything they're trusting 00:50:52.040 --> 00:50:57.640 So they're trusting that they would offer the invitation to the parents and their parents would just show up and become what they can be 00:50:57.640 --> 00:50:59.560 And everything will be smooth 00:50:59.560 --> 00:51:05.160 But then they come to earth and they find that those parents that they trusted at the essence level 00:51:05.160 --> 00:51:12.700 Are not walking their potential and not just that they are not walking their potential that they've been so wounded in this lifetime or recreated 00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:20.680 And enlarged increased the wounding that they brought from other lifetimes. So instead of solving things along until those kids came 00:51:20.680 --> 00:51:26.200 Trouble became bigger and then they have very confused parents and those parents are 00:51:26.200 --> 00:51:28.940 Not showing up to that potential 00:51:28.940 --> 00:51:34.120 that they hoped for and then things escalate and a child that maybe 00:51:34.120 --> 00:51:37.880 Asked to play a little bit with their power becomes a bully and 00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:42.360 In a lot of situations. It's not a choice to become a bully 00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:49.560 But a choice to experiment with the effect of power and you can experience with the effect of power in many ways 00:51:49.560 --> 00:51:52.920 And another aspect that goes into those 00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:58.280 Decision and it is something that souls are as if aware when making those choices 00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:06.200 But they're not aware most of those even incriminating again and again and again to my experience to my understanding don't really understand how harsh 00:52:06.200 --> 00:52:08.360 human life 00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:10.120 can become 00:52:10.120 --> 00:52:12.120 I look at a lot of families that I worked with 00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:19.160 amazing choices in parents and they show up and they do their best, but they're also living in a society and 00:52:19.160 --> 00:52:23.780 They have to earn a living so they have to send their kids to school 00:52:23.780 --> 00:52:29.020 They don't have the privilege like I do that. I was working from home so I could anyway have my I could 00:52:29.020 --> 00:52:31.260 shift into 00:52:31.260 --> 00:52:36.700 or many countries don't even allow homeschooling and the kids go to school and things get confused because 00:52:36.700 --> 00:52:39.960 that soul human child team is 00:52:40.520 --> 00:52:42.680 struggling between being who they are and 00:52:42.680 --> 00:52:47.360 doing their journey and then also adjusting and being like others and 00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:54.140 For many especially against those spiritually aware ones being like others. They didn't come here to be like others 00:52:54.140 --> 00:52:56.620 So it's an inner conflict 00:52:56.620 --> 00:53:02.900 But if the parents show up and become their essence then they can better guide their children 00:53:02.900 --> 00:53:09.760 But it's a really complex weaving of the tapestry that most souls are living is very different from the one day 00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:18.680 imagined, hoped, planned for. And what we can do is in between try to decrease the gap. And every 00:53:18.680 --> 00:53:23.480 little decrease that brings the parent or the child to walk a little bit more of themselves 00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:28.760 is a new join, because it ripples to everyone around. Energetically, it's an energetic 00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:33.800 communication. I hope I'm making sense. No, you are. I'm thinking about it as you're speaking. 00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:37.960 I'm thinking about examples also as you're speaking. I interviewed this guy named Christian 00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:43.320 Sonberg, whom you may have heard of, who at a fairly late age, like 29 or something, suddenly 00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:46.600 remembered his whole existence prior to birth. 00:53:46.600 --> 00:53:51.760 And he remembered this whole sequence where he had chosen to take birth as a human being 00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:55.640 because he was so impressed with some soul he met on the other side who had recently 00:53:55.640 --> 00:54:00.460 come from Earth and they seemed so voluminous and wise from what they'd learned. 00:54:00.460 --> 00:54:04.100 And then once he was in the womb, he thought, "Oh my God, what did I sign up for?" 00:54:04.100 --> 00:54:07.460 And he claims that he aborted himself. 00:54:07.460 --> 00:54:10.980 And then they gave him another chance after a whole lot of preparation, and he almost 00:54:10.980 --> 00:54:13.060 did it again, but then he went through with it. 00:54:13.060 --> 00:54:16.740 But I've heard other stories like that, where people choose to incarnate on earth, and then 00:54:16.740 --> 00:54:21.660 they think, "Whoa, this place is a lot rougher than I anticipated. 00:54:21.660 --> 00:54:22.660 Get me out of here!" 00:54:22.660 --> 00:54:29.300 You know, just even in the really positive, nourishing, soft scenario, just being a huge 00:54:29.300 --> 00:54:34.180 Solar being evolved wise knowing and you have to be in that 00:54:34.180 --> 00:54:36.020 warm 00:54:36.020 --> 00:54:37.140 wound 00:54:37.140 --> 00:54:39.140 Stuck in a low body 00:54:39.140 --> 00:54:44.180 For some time some joins the human baby the fetus earlier some join a little later 00:54:44.180 --> 00:54:48.660 You're stuck there and then you have to go through the birth tunnel in order to be birthed 00:54:48.660 --> 00:54:55.620 And you really need to be here want to be here in order to go through that phase even in the good scenarios 00:54:55.620 --> 00:55:00.180 you know, when everything is just fine and the mom is loving and relaxed and nourished. 00:55:00.180 --> 00:55:05.460 It's very hard to be relaxed when you have another kid at home or when you're living hectic life. 00:55:05.460 --> 00:55:13.620 It's a difficult process. It's a really huge choice of each of us to come here. We come 00:55:13.620 --> 00:55:20.900 here for a reason. And the learnings, the gift that we bring ourselves, Earth, other planets, 00:55:20.900 --> 00:55:28.340 and get from them. It's a mutual communication and gifting and interaction. It's huge. It's 00:55:28.340 --> 00:55:34.260 really, really significant. But you really need to want to come here. And I don't think any of us 00:55:34.260 --> 00:55:41.780 understand when we plan a journey, and it's all going to be fine. And then life, reality, 00:55:41.780 --> 00:55:48.020 human life. And even when we walk consciously aware, and become choice makers and commit and 00:55:48.020 --> 00:55:54.340 surrender to our journey. There is confusion around us and it's a difficult, challenging, 00:55:54.340 --> 00:56:00.420 blessed, also blessed, but challenging journey. Yeah, it's kind of like you think, oh, it would 00:56:00.420 --> 00:56:05.300 be awesome to climb Mount Everest and then you're at 20,000 feet in a snowstorm and you think, what 00:56:05.300 --> 00:56:12.820 did I do this for? But then you reach the top or you even don't reach the top, you reach almost 00:56:12.820 --> 00:56:18.420 like the camp that is closest, or whatever you manage to. And you go back down and you take a 00:56:18.420 --> 00:56:22.740 deep breath and say, "Oh, I learned this and this and this and this. This climb was worth it." 00:56:22.740 --> 00:56:25.620 Rick Yeah, I've heard it said, you know, I mean, 00:56:25.620 --> 00:56:30.580 who knows, but a teacher of mine once said, "The angels are jealous of humans." And they're wanting 00:56:30.580 --> 00:56:35.620 to sign up to have the human experience because there's such evolutionary potential here. It might 00:56:35.620 --> 00:56:43.260 might be a difficult lesson, a difficult schoolhouse, but it's one that has tremendous evolutionary 00:56:43.260 --> 00:56:45.260 value and potential. 00:56:45.260 --> 00:56:52.320 I agree with evolutionary potential when we show up for the journey because a lot of souls 00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:58.660 and humans are going through life and not doing what they came here to do, lost in the 00:56:58.660 --> 00:56:59.660 confusion. 00:56:59.660 --> 00:57:06.220 I've never met an angel or high guidance and beings that were envious of us. 00:57:06.220 --> 00:57:12.140 I often feel that they don't understand how challenging and confusing it can be here. 00:57:12.140 --> 00:57:15.820 They're very compassionate, they're very understanding, they're very supportive. 00:57:15.820 --> 00:57:18.700 I don't think they want to exchange places. 00:57:18.700 --> 00:57:19.820 Yeah, you can have it, right. 00:57:19.820 --> 00:57:25.900 But I believe others that may have experienced this interactions and received such messages. 00:57:26.620 --> 00:57:33.340 It's fascinating. I know in my own case, I was born into a difficult family. My father was 00:57:33.340 --> 00:57:40.380 very traumatized by World War II and he was an alcoholic and verbally abusive. My mother ended 00:57:40.380 --> 00:57:45.100 up trying to commit suicide three times and spent most of my adolescence in and out of mental 00:57:45.100 --> 00:57:51.100 hospitals. And then it kind of dawned on me at the age of about 18 that spirituality was a thing and 00:57:51.100 --> 00:57:56.300 I learned to meditate and things started getting a lot better. And I look back to the years prior 00:57:56.300 --> 00:58:02.940 to that and I think, "Boy, was I lost." But I felt like there was kind of a seed planted 00:58:02.940 --> 00:58:07.820 prior to my birth that when I finally heard the word "enlightenment," somebody was reading a book 00:58:07.820 --> 00:58:13.660 and it was like a bell going off and I think, "Whoa, that's a thing. I need that." Whereas 00:58:13.660 --> 00:58:19.180 somebody else might not have had any reaction to hearing it. But I just say that to illustrate that, 00:58:19.180 --> 00:58:25.260 yeah, we might come in with the best of intentions hoping to make great strides spiritually, 00:58:25.820 --> 00:58:30.860 but the world can be extremely overshadowing and challenging and it's so easy to get lost 00:58:30.860 --> 00:58:37.660 in confusion and self-destructive behaviors. Yeah, I consider it a blessing and a kind of 00:58:37.660 --> 00:58:44.460 grace of God that I was saved from continuing in that vein. And perhaps it is because of some kind 00:58:44.460 --> 00:58:50.940 of past life immersion in spiritual practices and so on that it woke up again finally at a certain 00:58:50.940 --> 00:58:56.620 point. We never know what is a deter and what is something that we needed to experience because 00:58:56.620 --> 00:59:02.780 it later built something within us. Yeah. I know for myself at least that I set posts, 00:59:02.780 --> 00:59:08.460 like I have signs on my path to say, okay, this is where you're supposed to be. This is a person 00:59:08.460 --> 00:59:13.100 you're supposed to meet at a certain point. Like you say, I heard the word enlightenment and that 00:59:13.100 --> 00:59:20.860 started the whole, opened a new door for me to find my way because you had that potential because 00:59:20.860 --> 00:59:25.020 It was part of what you came here to do. So I think we all have those signs 00:59:25.020 --> 00:59:30.380 Uh posted in our ways and if we listen to them and pay attention to them 00:59:30.380 --> 00:59:35.340 And sometimes it's not about any deep meaning but just the sign saying, okay 00:59:35.340 --> 00:59:37.820 You're guided now 00:59:37.820 --> 00:59:43.420 Start trusting what you know and set on your journey. I think we also have a big gap 00:59:43.420 --> 00:59:49.260 I don't know why this is coming up but between what we perceive to be spiritual what we perceive to be success 00:59:49.340 --> 00:59:56.780 what we perceive to be the way to express an idea. So we follow that along life. Sometimes that's the 00:59:56.780 --> 01:00:03.020 guidance we receive from our parents, family, community, to be something specific. And it's 01:00:03.020 --> 01:00:10.620 again, and what we are here to do is something that may be much simpler or a completely different 01:00:10.620 --> 01:00:16.540 direction, but we dismiss it because it's not who we are or who we're supposed to be. 01:00:17.740 --> 01:00:19.740 A lot of attentiveness 01:00:19.740 --> 01:00:25.500 A lot of attentiveness. I actually relate to it in my book. The promise we made is a second promise talking about 01:00:25.500 --> 01:00:28.140 allowing 01:00:28.140 --> 01:00:30.700 When it hit me that I don't give that to my daughters 01:00:30.700 --> 01:00:37.260 It was really striking and then I I needed to practice it myself just opening that door for them to 01:00:37.260 --> 01:00:41.500 Be able to listen to themselves because they knew how to listen 01:00:41.980 --> 01:00:48.860 And they would close their eyes or they would gaze and they would play quietly or write something or draw when they were really little 01:00:48.860 --> 01:00:51.500 They were listening to their knowing 01:00:51.500 --> 01:00:54.220 I could really trust them, but I needed to 01:00:54.220 --> 01:00:56.620 Not create a schedule 01:00:56.620 --> 01:01:00.700 And not make sure they're busy all the time and that was very hard because I was sitting on the sofa 01:01:00.700 --> 01:01:03.580 I was not functioning other people were doing things 01:01:03.580 --> 01:01:08.220 for a long time until I became active again, and it was 01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:15.720 Communicating to others who thought they needed to be busy. You need to have a full schedule play dates going to the playground guns 01:01:15.720 --> 01:01:18.680 No, it was just fine not doing anything 01:01:18.680 --> 01:01:25.400 When we're attentive again, we're less prone to losing our path and then 01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:30.120 hearings of signs like word somebody else reads in a book and 01:01:30.120 --> 01:01:35.440 Knowing this word has a meaning for you or or or for me 01:01:35.680 --> 01:01:43.040 It requires a lot of trust, you know trusting. Oh that really is meaningful and I'm going for it and I think it also requires 01:01:43.040 --> 01:01:45.840 Saying yes 01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:52.800 Saying yes, you know saying yes to showing up saying yes to exploring something that maybe seemed 01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:57.200 Really unrelated to your life at the time, but was calling you 01:01:57.200 --> 01:02:04.160 so I always encourage the children I work with and the teens to trust what they know and explore and 01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:08.360 Explore and some of the things you're gonna find out that they're not theirs 01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:13.220 But they will not know if they don't try and they know what to try and what not to try 01:02:13.220 --> 01:02:20.200 It's pretty amazing to look at them from the side because they have this really deep inner knowing but saying yes 01:02:20.200 --> 01:02:24.980 I wouldn't written a book if I hadn't said yes to something crazy 01:02:24.980 --> 01:02:32.180 English is not my first language. I've never written a book. I wrote academic papers and chapters. I didn't write a book 01:02:33.120 --> 01:02:39.600 stories, but I did. Well, you speak good English. I would hardly have known that it wasn't your first 01:02:39.600 --> 01:02:45.520 language. I make a lot of mistakes and my vocabulary is lacking and that's what it is. 01:02:45.520 --> 01:02:51.680 Just out of curiosity, as a case in point, this thought occurred to me. You know, my parents were 01:02:51.680 --> 01:02:57.200 well-educated, intelligent people, but kind of messed up, as I said. So let's say that you 01:02:57.200 --> 01:03:01.840 had lived in my town when I was a kid and I was five or six years old. My parents were perhaps 01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:09.600 late 20s, early 30s, and they had thought, "Well, let's have Efrat, you know, work with us and see 01:03:09.600 --> 01:03:15.920 what she can do to help us or to help our poor little son who still wets his bed and whatnot." 01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:20.000 What kind of intervention would you have done, given my family situation as I described it? 01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:26.400 >> I would start working with your father because trauma from war, post-trauma from war, 01:03:26.400 --> 01:03:33.360 is usually a symptom of soul loss and it's very difficult to live life full if you had 01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:39.160 those really innocent, knowing, trusting, creative, happy pieces of yourself. 01:03:39.160 --> 01:03:41.600 It was a professional artist, yeah. 01:03:41.600 --> 01:03:47.200 Lost in war, and it happens in war because souls know they're not here to kill anyone. 01:03:47.200 --> 01:03:52.160 And situations of war are really, really, really difficult and there is tremendous soul 01:03:52.160 --> 01:03:56.480 loss and you can't heal soul loss immediately after the trauma happens 01:03:56.480 --> 01:04:02.420 But as things come down and it's safe for those pieces to return or to be reactivated 01:04:02.420 --> 01:04:04.780 There are energetic 01:04:04.780 --> 01:04:06.780 interventions that can 01:04:06.780 --> 01:04:12.000 Reawaken those pieces sometimes at once and sometimes one by one depending on the situation 01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:15.920 But that's where I would have started. I would have started trying to 01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:19.360 Help your father regain back his life 01:04:20.080 --> 01:04:22.960 Because as he would regain back his life and feel safe 01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:26.720 You as a child would have felt safe as well 01:04:26.720 --> 01:04:29.360 Same true to your mom 01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:33.040 Finding her core finding out what's important for her 01:04:33.040 --> 01:04:39.780 And then we could have or at the same time given them tools if I would be working like I work with families 01:04:39.780 --> 01:04:42.240 Giving them tools to share with you 01:04:42.240 --> 01:04:49.360 On breathing on relapsing before going to sleep and so forth. Let's say nothing worked and they're becoming 01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:54.200 their core selves, but you're still wet the bed and you're still very anxious 01:04:54.200 --> 01:04:59.380 and you're still having whatever issues you're having like many children do, then 01:04:59.380 --> 01:05:04.520 we can go and work with the child themselves. If the child gives permission, 01:05:04.520 --> 01:05:07.720 I ask permission even from two-year-olds and one-year-olds, I have ways of 01:05:07.720 --> 01:05:13.240 confirming I can actually work with them at the literal physical level and soul 01:05:13.240 --> 01:05:16.560 level, but let's say you're saying yes I'm willing for a fact to look at my 01:05:16.560 --> 01:05:23.600 energy field. Then we could check what happened to you. Why is it hard for you to be in a physical 01:05:23.600 --> 01:05:30.160 body and have proper physical functioning? And there are numerous reasons that are related to 01:05:30.160 --> 01:05:36.560 soul past lifetimes or you know it's not exactly past but other lifetimes and there are reasons 01:05:36.560 --> 01:05:42.480 that are related to the alignment of our various energy layers and there are reasons that happen 01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:46.960 for things happened at birth and all kinds of contracts sitting on the family lines. 01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:53.200 There are so many reasons and there is no one storyline. If a child wets in bed, this is a 01:05:53.200 --> 01:06:01.120 reason. Every child has their own reason and their whole family situation. But then I choose to work 01:06:01.120 --> 01:06:08.640 with the children only after I know the parents are able to hold space for the child to truly heal. 01:06:09.200 --> 01:06:15.920 And there is always a lot of lifestyle changes within that each family based on what she's able 01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:19.680 to carry from nutritional changes to 01:06:19.680 --> 01:06:25.680 Cutting out activities changing activities becoming choice makers of who you spend your time with 01:06:25.680 --> 01:06:27.840 and so forth 01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:29.840 Using your example of a process 01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:32.160 That would be the process 01:06:32.160 --> 01:06:35.280 And then if there's alcoholism involved or other things like that 01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:41.120 do you sort of bring in or you know encourage Alcoholics Anonymous or bring in other therapists 01:06:41.120 --> 01:06:49.200 or modalities? Yeah, yeah definitely. It never contradicts other modalities. Locally I have a 01:06:49.200 --> 01:06:54.320 psychiatrist I work with together, a psychologist that we work with together with families, 01:06:54.320 --> 01:07:01.040 an acupuncturist that works with women trying to conceive and I sometimes intervene to help her 01:07:01.040 --> 01:07:06.960 where she can because she does the energy work herself. Globally I refer people to find people 01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:11.440 in their environments, I don't know the people. But yeah, yeah, yeah, it always comes together 01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:16.240 with things. Energy doesn't solve anything unless we work things also in the literal. 01:07:16.240 --> 01:07:25.520 But in terms of post-trauma, PTSD, trauma of war, often once soul pieces, soul fragments, 01:07:25.520 --> 01:07:33.680 start returning back and there is a healing of the trauma by embracing those positive pieces of life 01:07:33.680 --> 01:07:42.160 than drinking, using drugs, all kinds of negative consequences of escaping are decreasing. 01:07:42.160 --> 01:07:47.600 There must be so much of that in Israel considering everything Israel and the Jews have been through. 01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:56.800 You know Thomas Hubel, he does this collective trauma healing work, but it seems like it must 01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:03.680 be like a powder keg over there in terms of the tension of all the hostile parties in such close 01:08:03.680 --> 01:08:10.720 proximity and missiles coming in from Lebanon and Gaza and every place and vice versa going the other 01:08:10.720 --> 01:08:18.000 direction, it just must be nerve-wracking. People must be really on kind of a high stress level, 01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:23.520 perpetually fighting for flight all the time. Yeah, I think that everyone in this geographical 01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:29.600 area, not just Jewish or Israelis, Muslim and Christian are within Israel that are like Arab 01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:34.880 Israelis or each of them define themselves differently. And those living in the West Bank, 01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:38.560 everyone and definitely those in Gaza or in Lebanon. 01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:44.320 Stress levels are very, very high for everyone, depending again, some more depending on the 01:08:44.320 --> 01:08:53.280 situation and some less. There is a lot of soul loss because very basic sense of security 01:08:53.280 --> 01:08:54.880 has been lost. Yeah. 01:08:54.880 --> 01:09:02.720 It's in the energetic sphera and in my community, we try to cultivate both for the adults and the 01:09:03.280 --> 01:09:05.280 low ones a 01:09:05.280 --> 01:09:07.200 subjective sense 01:09:07.200 --> 01:09:09.200 of safety 01:09:09.200 --> 01:09:10.960 not in terms of 01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:15.040 Acting as if it is safe because it's not as if safe 01:09:15.040 --> 01:09:20.480 But finding that inner trust that as a soul, we're all safe 01:09:20.480 --> 01:09:23.120 And that we are guarded 01:09:23.120 --> 01:09:25.120 the confusion 01:09:25.120 --> 01:09:31.840 To me is sad because when people experience all loss and when people don't know what to trust 01:09:32.320 --> 01:09:35.040 Their belief systems are more fragile 01:09:35.040 --> 01:09:37.520 And their trusting 01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:43.360 In other humans becomes more fragile. So the situation is horrible for everyone 01:09:43.360 --> 01:09:48.560 I almost have tears in my eyes because it is so painful what's happening here 01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:53.280 But then what's painful for me also is that people are losing the trust in one another 01:09:53.280 --> 01:09:55.920 I know false science friends that 01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:58.480 It is hard for us to communicate 01:09:58.480 --> 01:10:06.320 Although they know exactly what I believe and how supportive I am of their right to have a country and leave their life and have all kids 01:10:06.320 --> 01:10:10.080 Play joyfully and not worry about food shelter or anything 01:10:10.080 --> 01:10:18.400 Because as soon as we have a threat we go into survival mode all of us doesn't matter how aware or conscious we are 01:10:18.400 --> 01:10:23.440 And i'm happy to have a community. I know a lot of people who are 01:10:23.440 --> 01:10:27.680 In efforts to keep their frequency and vibration high 01:10:28.160 --> 01:10:31.360 That are insisting on keeping their trust 01:10:31.360 --> 01:10:34.160 in our human ability 01:10:34.160 --> 01:10:36.480 To see each other as equals 01:10:36.480 --> 01:10:39.280 And it's not easy with everything going on 01:10:39.280 --> 01:10:42.240 But there are a lot of people 01:10:42.240 --> 01:10:47.120 A lot of israelis a lot of arabs a lot of phallustines that are holding this vision 01:10:47.120 --> 01:10:55.280 In the shamanic practice we often talk about dreaming a world into being I assume you're familiar with this practice of creating an energetic ripple 01:10:55.280 --> 01:10:57.680 by dreaming the possible 01:10:57.760 --> 01:10:59.840 So we practice dreaming the possible 01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:06.320 And we try not to anchor it in a way that one person sees it this way or another way 01:11:06.320 --> 01:11:09.680 But anchor just those qualities of children 01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:14.640 Just having a good life and having the options of being who they are 01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:16.460 in a general 01:11:16.460 --> 01:11:23.760 Perspective and there's a lot of energetic work being done in holding this potential this possible using germane 01:11:24.460 --> 01:11:29.180 Especially when the leadership is so deeply confused 01:11:29.180 --> 01:11:34.700 I often ask myself and my daughters ask this thing. Why did we ask to be born here? 01:11:34.700 --> 01:11:43.120 I don't know. I don't have that answer yet. I just know I had to be born here. I was born and raised in jerusalem 01:11:43.120 --> 01:11:49.900 I went through a lot of times of conflict when the bus it went to school one would bomb I would go on the 01:11:50.140 --> 01:11:55.260 Next one I would somehow miss that bus, but I would go in the next one and I would arrive safely to school 01:11:55.260 --> 01:11:57.020 And the bus after would bomb as well 01:11:57.020 --> 01:12:03.340 Wow terrorist attacks and a lot of things happened to me that I was like, wow, I was really really guarded 01:12:03.340 --> 01:12:05.760 But I grew up in that multicultural 01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:11.420 Beautiful city of jerusalem that belongs to everyone and no one at the same time 01:12:11.420 --> 01:12:15.900 One day maybe you know when I leave I will understand why I chose to come here 01:12:15.900 --> 01:12:18.620 but I think uh, there are 01:12:19.100 --> 01:12:25.660 people like myself and like you holding a vision of different humanity, of a kind, compassionate 01:12:25.660 --> 01:12:34.620 humanity everywhere. And we trust. Yeah, you know, a lot of spiritual people for a long time have been 01:12:34.620 --> 01:12:41.180 prophesizing that we're going to have some kind of age of enlightenment or new age or golden age or 01:12:41.180 --> 01:12:45.660 whatever you want to call it. In fact, even ancient cultures going back a couple thousand 01:12:45.660 --> 01:12:50.380 and years have prophesied some such thing eventually coming to pass. 01:12:50.380 --> 01:12:54.300 And a lot of people feel like, well, maybe we're getting close to it now, but then there's 01:12:54.300 --> 01:12:59.900 this notion these days that perhaps we have to go through a collective dark night of the 01:12:59.900 --> 01:13:02.380 soul before we can get to that. 01:13:02.380 --> 01:13:05.460 And maybe we're entering into that now more than ever. 01:13:05.460 --> 01:13:08.820 And you can think of other times it seemed like a collective dark night of the soul, 01:13:08.820 --> 01:13:14.380 like the world wars and the Middle Ages and so on, but then we didn't have a golden age 01:13:14.380 --> 01:13:15.380 after those. 01:13:15.380 --> 01:13:21.460 But anyway, with everything you've experienced and thought about, do you have any thoughts on those 01:13:21.460 --> 01:13:28.180 ideas? I don't think we need to go through the dark night of the soul. In this geographical area, 01:13:28.180 --> 01:13:35.780 I think we are repeating old paradigms, old contracts, old ways of inefficient resolution. 01:13:35.780 --> 01:13:42.180 I think there is a lot of fear of moving forward, and this fear of moving forward 01:13:42.740 --> 01:13:49.780 makes the leadership and a lot of other humans hold on to hatred, choose killing, think land 01:13:49.780 --> 01:13:56.740 is more important than human life. And on the broad perspective of what's happening, it's good 01:13:56.740 --> 01:14:03.620 that things are rising and opening, but a lot of what's happening here was not necessary. None of 01:14:03.620 --> 01:14:08.740 it needed to happen if there was a different choice in resolution. You could probably say that about 01:14:08.740 --> 01:14:14.000 every war and every concentration camp and every genocide and everything that has ever 01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:16.180 happened there could have been a better way. 01:14:16.180 --> 01:14:21.180 But there's so much fear of showing up and becoming that people are pulling back and 01:14:21.180 --> 01:14:22.940 letting the fear lead. 01:14:22.940 --> 01:14:26.740 Now think about people like yourself and so many people you interview and I know this 01:14:26.740 --> 01:14:27.740 is true for me. 01:14:27.740 --> 01:14:34.500 It is so hard to say yes and to show up again and again and again and practice. 01:14:34.500 --> 01:14:40.100 Hard work to practice and stay aligned and not let the confusion go into me 01:14:40.100 --> 01:14:46.900 You know, I had a near-death experience, but I needed to integrate that near-death experience and I share that process in my book 01:14:46.900 --> 01:14:48.820 The promise we made 01:14:48.820 --> 01:14:54.580 It was an integration process. I needed to understand what it means. I needed to bring it into my life 01:14:54.580 --> 01:15:01.220 It's not an easy journey. It's a lot of choices to surrender and as you surrender you have less 01:15:01.940 --> 01:15:04.900 We will because you can't be confused anymore 01:15:04.900 --> 01:15:12.020 So you look around and we are both fortunate to know a lot of people who are making this choice and are somewhere 01:15:12.020 --> 01:15:14.660 in their journey of choosing 01:15:14.660 --> 01:15:18.820 To be who they can be that essence of compassionate loving 01:15:18.820 --> 01:15:22.900 Being soul, but there's so many others who are not choosing that 01:15:22.900 --> 01:15:25.540 And uh, are we more? 01:15:25.540 --> 01:15:28.340 Or are they more? I don't know. I'm not counting 01:15:28.980 --> 01:15:35.220 I'm just looking at things and I don't think we needed to go through this and I don't think we need to go through wars 01:15:35.220 --> 01:15:36.980 Any longer? 01:15:36.980 --> 01:15:40.020 I think we need to find ways to overcome our fear 01:15:40.020 --> 01:15:43.380 I think we are on the way to that 01:15:43.380 --> 01:15:46.100 My sample is not representative 01:15:46.100 --> 01:15:52.760 Those children that I meet those families that I meet i'm fortunate and blessed and i'm grateful to meet such amazing 01:15:52.760 --> 01:15:56.600 Humans and sometimes their situations are so so difficult 01:15:57.140 --> 01:16:00.100 But they are choosing to do what they can 01:16:00.100 --> 01:16:01.920 in their 01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:04.660 Abilities and that's always amazing to me 01:16:04.660 --> 01:16:10.900 So I choose to focus my energy on that and I think that these are the leaders of our future 01:16:10.900 --> 01:16:14.020 This is a type of quality and energy that I hope 01:16:14.020 --> 01:16:16.420 Will lead the future 01:16:16.420 --> 01:16:18.020 of humanity 01:16:18.020 --> 01:16:19.860 We've been confused enough 01:16:19.860 --> 01:16:25.160 We've been confused enough. It's not about being confused again and going through some storms of that we would understand 01:16:25.860 --> 01:16:29.220 It's about taking the deep breath and just becoming choice makers 01:16:29.220 --> 01:16:33.300 Navigating our path and our journey as we can 01:16:33.300 --> 01:16:36.500 We are really sophisticated beings 01:16:36.500 --> 01:16:38.500 all of us 01:16:38.500 --> 01:16:40.180 Have the capability 01:16:40.180 --> 01:16:44.660 To be the essence the pure essence that we all are and we all are again 01:16:44.660 --> 01:16:51.300 This is how I experience it because of my new desk experience. It doesn't matter who you were and what you did 01:16:52.020 --> 01:16:56.340 All the beings that I saw were embraced. They were all welcome to home. Maybe later 01:16:56.340 --> 01:17:01.540 Somebody sat with them. I did not see this happening sat with them and said this was better 01:17:01.540 --> 01:17:04.100 This you might need to repeat 01:17:04.100 --> 01:17:08.260 But the embrace was very very clear. It didn't matter. It doesn't matter 01:17:08.260 --> 01:17:10.820 What happened here? 01:17:10.820 --> 01:17:17.700 even those souls that did such horrible acts on october 7th and beyond and in other places and 01:17:17.700 --> 01:17:20.740 Even they are going to be given another chance 01:17:21.540 --> 01:17:24.260 Because they too have a pure essence 01:17:24.260 --> 01:17:27.860 Potential within them and it's really hard for us to see that 01:17:27.860 --> 01:17:31.300 And accept that especially with what's going on here 01:17:31.300 --> 01:17:32.740 but 01:17:32.740 --> 01:17:38.980 That's how I see it. Now. How do we they raise their children? How do we change the dynamics here? 01:17:38.980 --> 01:17:46.020 One by one. Yeah, I like that quote from jesus as he was being nailed to the cross. Forgive them father for they know 01:17:46.020 --> 01:17:47.860 Not what they do 01:17:47.860 --> 01:17:53.940 Nobody wants to be a monster in their heart of hearts, in their essence, and everyone really is 01:17:53.940 --> 01:18:00.340 the same pure being in their essence. We all are that. But the blinding darkness of ignorance, 01:18:00.340 --> 01:18:07.860 to quote a Sanskrit phrase, is just so blinding, so overwhelming, that we get lost in it. 01:18:07.860 --> 01:18:14.420 >> Yeah, we get lost. But we also live in a time that there's so much information available. 01:18:14.420 --> 01:18:15.380 >> Yeah. 01:18:15.380 --> 01:18:18.340 Well, it confused a really confused soul may 01:18:18.340 --> 01:18:23.360 Have one of your interviews pop up when they open YouTube, for example 01:18:23.360 --> 01:18:30.640 Yeah, and that's a point of choice. They're looking for a YouTube on how to make bombs instead. They find Buddha at the gas pump 01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:35.620 We talked about his job. So maybe that something would come up something but I think sometimes 01:18:35.620 --> 01:18:41.700 These strings are pulled and there is something in front of you and you can say, okay 01:18:41.700 --> 01:18:47.460 I'll see what it is, or you can ignore it. But that's an invitation. We get those types of 01:18:47.460 --> 01:18:53.300 invitations all the time. And I think when we stand that ripple of energy and that hope, 01:18:53.300 --> 01:18:58.180 it's like my hope for this conversation that we're having, that it will reach whoever needs 01:18:58.180 --> 01:19:03.460 for it to reach it, even if it's a sentence I said or a sentence you said. Because sometimes 01:19:03.460 --> 01:19:09.220 that's all you need in order to take that deep breath and say, "Okay, I'm shifting something 01:19:09.220 --> 01:19:15.460 in my life. I want to become a Y can be. Yeah, there's an Indian saying, "For the wise, 01:19:15.460 --> 01:19:21.700 only an indication is necessary." I like that. I tend to read cosmic significance into things as 01:19:21.700 --> 01:19:26.500 I go through my life. You know, "Why did this person show up?" or "Why did that bird fly across 01:19:26.500 --> 01:19:31.780 my path?" Not that I really ask that about birds, but I just sort of see that… But you should! 01:19:32.580 --> 01:19:38.940 every little thing is somehow meaningful. I remember a Carlos Castaneda story where he 01:19:38.940 --> 01:19:42.820 and his teacher were having some conversation and the tea kettle started to boil and his 01:19:42.820 --> 01:19:48.860 teacher said, "The tea kettle agrees." It's like somehow everything is pregnant with meaning. 01:19:48.860 --> 01:19:52.900 Not that you should drive yourself crazy trying to interpret every little bug that lands on 01:19:52.900 --> 01:19:58.060 you or something, but there is cosmic intelligence orchestrating everything. 01:19:58.060 --> 01:20:01.260 We just sent out a newsletter, maybe I could find a copy of it. 01:20:01.260 --> 01:20:02.740 I'm going to do that very quickly. 01:20:02.740 --> 01:20:06.900 It had a real nice quote from Lao Tzu, I believe. 01:20:06.900 --> 01:20:11.820 I don't think we need to interpret every little sign we're giving, but their signs are there 01:20:11.820 --> 01:20:15.020 to confirm that we are on the path. 01:20:15.020 --> 01:20:20.060 And once we don't get into, you know, overthinking about what's the meaning of the sign, then 01:20:20.060 --> 01:20:23.780 we can breathe into it and just say, "Oh, okay, so I'm on the path." 01:20:23.780 --> 01:20:29.460 I also find it really important, especially if you talk about birds, that people don't 01:20:29.460 --> 01:20:34.020 look for what the bird means to others, but just trust what they know about the signs 01:20:34.020 --> 01:20:35.180 they see. 01:20:35.180 --> 01:20:38.900 It's hard to teach that to teens who are constantly on their phones. 01:20:38.900 --> 01:20:44.580 Say, "Okay, you saw the sign, don't search it, don't go to Google, just take a deep breath 01:20:44.580 --> 01:20:47.860 and ask yourself, 'What does the sign mean to me?'" 01:20:47.860 --> 01:20:52.380 Some of them embrace it, some of them Google and then go to check what it means for them. 01:20:52.380 --> 01:20:55.100 I use AI. 01:20:55.100 --> 01:20:56.580 But anyway, here's a quote. 01:20:56.580 --> 01:20:58.580 It's from Lao Tzu. 01:20:58.580 --> 01:21:01.580 "Simplicity, patience, compassion. 01:21:01.580 --> 01:21:04.380 These three are your greatest treasures. 01:21:04.380 --> 01:21:09.340 Simple in actions and thoughts, you return to the source of being. 01:21:09.340 --> 01:21:14.900 Patient with both friends and enemies, you accord with the way things are. 01:21:14.900 --> 01:21:18.700 Compassionate toward yourself, you reconcile all beings in the world." 01:21:18.700 --> 01:21:24.820 But being in accord with the way things are, that one really struck me, not feeling that, 01:21:24.820 --> 01:21:26.540 "Oh, this shouldn't be happening." 01:21:26.540 --> 01:21:28.700 It is happening, so therefore it should be. 01:21:28.700 --> 01:21:31.820 Now what is the implication of it? 01:21:31.820 --> 01:21:33.900 Yeah, what is the implication? 01:21:33.900 --> 01:21:35.660 How do we want to interpret it? 01:21:35.660 --> 01:21:36.660 How do we want to react? 01:21:36.660 --> 01:21:37.660 Do we want to react? 01:21:37.660 --> 01:21:39.740 Do we have to react? 01:21:39.740 --> 01:21:44.900 And if it's a significant event, then what do I need to do in order to take that event 01:21:44.900 --> 01:21:45.900 and become a better person? 01:21:45.900 --> 01:21:47.660 Yeah, I mean, look at your car accident. 01:21:47.660 --> 01:21:50.460 You could have spent the rest of your life saying, "Oh, poor me. 01:21:50.460 --> 01:21:51.980 I had this bad car accident." 01:21:51.980 --> 01:21:55.660 Instead, it's completely turned your life around. 01:21:55.660 --> 01:21:58.780 It opened up a huge world of possibilities. 01:21:58.780 --> 01:22:04.420 Yeah, but it did require, as I said earlier, a lot of saying yes. 01:22:04.420 --> 01:22:09.420 Things were really, really challenging, and it's not that I became this enlightened person. 01:22:09.420 --> 01:22:10.420 I'm not. 01:22:10.420 --> 01:22:11.540 I'm still working on it. 01:22:11.540 --> 01:22:17.260 It was one step at a time, and asking questions, and finding what drives me, and connecting 01:22:17.260 --> 01:22:23.660 to myself and it did gift me with a lot of time for myself so I could rest and I could 01:22:23.660 --> 01:22:28.780 journey and I could drift into those realms that I visited. But I needed to understand 01:22:28.780 --> 01:22:35.500 them. I did not come with a spiritual language so I did not have that carpet to stand on, 01:22:35.500 --> 01:22:40.940 that foundation of understanding what was happening. I did not read one near-death experience 01:22:40.940 --> 01:22:47.340 book before I realized this is what happened to me. Only then I started reading and searching, 01:22:47.340 --> 01:22:52.620 and I also trying to figure out what does it mean. And some of the books just share the story 01:22:52.620 --> 01:22:58.300 as an enlightenment. Some books have in between the lines also the process of integration of 01:22:58.300 --> 01:23:04.140 showing that it doesn't just happen. You need to take it. And I think that's true for every life 01:23:04.140 --> 01:23:11.180 event, we get an invitation and it's what we do with it. And so far I've been saying mostly yes, 01:23:11.180 --> 01:23:17.420 and I hope to continue to do that. So I managed to say yes to what this whole story brings to 01:23:17.420 --> 01:23:23.900 my life, to my family life. But it's not instant. I think we all, in terms of what we talked before 01:23:23.900 --> 01:23:30.140 about being a very passive society, we want things to happen to us. And magic happens, 01:23:30.140 --> 01:23:37.420 magic exists, but sometimes we work really, really hard to be able to learn how to listen to it, 01:23:37.420 --> 01:23:44.300 learn how to trust our intuition, learn to be open for that magic to actually manifest. 01:23:44.300 --> 01:23:46.940 And it's still magical when it happens. 01:23:46.940 --> 01:23:52.620 >>Rick: There's a great quote from a British explorer and mountaineer named Murray, 01:23:52.620 --> 01:23:57.740 I forget what his first name was, but it's about taking initiative and then when you take some 01:23:57.740 --> 01:24:04.060 initiative, all kinds of opportunities and so-called coincidences and things start to happen 01:24:04.060 --> 01:24:08.220 that wouldn't happen had you not taken initiative and started the ball rolling. 01:24:08.220 --> 01:24:13.420 Dina: And sometimes the initiative is just about showing up. The third promise, 01:24:13.420 --> 01:24:17.340 like the promise we made in my book, beyond sharing my near-death experience, 01:24:17.340 --> 01:24:22.060 the car crash, everything that happened, the interrogation process, I share question three 01:24:22.060 --> 01:24:26.860 promises I feel we all made to our children, universal soul promises. And the third promise, 01:24:26.860 --> 01:24:30.380 I was really surprised when it came down and it took me time to understand it, but 01:24:30.380 --> 01:24:33.180 I named it the emotion of love 01:24:33.180 --> 01:24:37.660 and what I realized is that when a parent in terms of the 01:24:37.660 --> 01:24:41.980 Mutual shared journey with children when a parent wakes up 01:24:41.980 --> 01:24:44.860 And realizes that there is something to do 01:24:44.860 --> 01:24:52.060 before they take action before they do interventions before they do all kinds of sessions in order to clear their energy field and become 01:24:52.060 --> 01:24:56.160 Who they are before they change lifestyle before anything just that awareness 01:24:56.160 --> 01:25:01.760 already sense that energetic communication to the children saying, 01:25:01.760 --> 01:25:07.360 "Okay, I got it. I'm seeing you're inviting me to something and I'm going to try." 01:25:07.360 --> 01:25:13.680 Now, if that parent won't do anything about it, that energetic communication is going to go away. 01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:20.040 But as long as there is their efforts, even those small first steps of a parent understanding, 01:25:20.040 --> 01:25:24.400 they want to find their center and become the potentials that their child chose. 01:25:24.400 --> 01:25:29.640 The child gets that communication. Now the children, they are born knowing the truth. 01:25:29.640 --> 01:25:34.320 They know who they are. They know exactly what they want. They are born attentive. 01:25:34.320 --> 01:25:40.560 They're able to hear their messages and know their signs and they are set to connect to Earth, 01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:48.240 bring in their spirit and do a process of becoming the co-creators we all come here to become. So as 01:25:48.240 --> 01:25:51.220 As soon as that energetic communication is already 01:25:51.220 --> 01:25:57.740 Sent then that child can stay true to who they are. They can stay true to what they 01:25:57.740 --> 01:26:04.320 Know for themselves and be patient while their parent is on that journey in the motion 01:26:04.320 --> 01:26:09.560 In my experience what I noticed was that I call them soul moments like it 01:26:09.560 --> 01:26:14.960 But I'm sure there might be other terms of distinct moments when I was aligned to my truth. I 01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:20.920 I felt the joy I felt in my near-death experience in other dimensions. I felt aligned 01:26:20.920 --> 01:26:25.880 I felt I was who I am it was little pieces of confirmation and 01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:30.680 It could be about big decisions, but it was often about very very little elements 01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:36.600 Of not taking that extra bite. It's an example I give in my book. I think it's a very powerful example 01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:42.920 We sit with the food on our plate and do we take that extra bite that we don't need to take in? 01:26:43.960 --> 01:26:45.960 And when we learn to notice 01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:49.720 When we reach that extra bite and we don't need to take it in 01:26:49.720 --> 01:26:51.240 then 01:26:51.240 --> 01:26:53.080 We start to be attentive 01:26:53.080 --> 01:26:58.760 And there are small precise moments and we when we have those precise moments all moments and we're aligned to a truth 01:26:58.760 --> 01:27:03.720 these small moments of just trying exploring as parents 01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:07.240 Create a legitimacy for our kids 01:27:07.240 --> 01:27:12.120 The souls they are the beings that they are and they're very evolved beings among them 01:27:12.760 --> 01:27:18.760 to stay true to what they came here to do. It helps them navigate those first years of being really, 01:27:18.760 --> 01:27:24.760 really dependent on us because it communicates there is an effort. It's a really powerful, 01:27:24.760 --> 01:27:29.320 energetic message that as soon as people show up, something shifts. 01:27:29.320 --> 01:27:35.000 You've referred a number of times to really evolved children. And you know, you've heard 01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:40.600 these terms, indigo children or star seeds and different terms like that. Do you feel like 01:27:40.600 --> 01:27:48.280 there's a batch of really evolved kids being born these days that more so than 30, 40, 01:27:48.280 --> 01:27:54.280 50, 60 years ago? Is it like some kind of influx taking place of highly evolved souls? 01:27:54.280 --> 01:27:57.400 Jessica I think it's constantly growing, constantly 01:27:57.400 --> 01:28:03.240 growing. I think we don't have labels for many of them. We use starseeds for so many 01:28:03.240 --> 01:28:08.120 types of evolved souls that are coming to help and contribute to the processes of Earth 01:28:08.120 --> 01:28:12.120 and elevating our consciousness, but there are many types of being among them. 01:28:12.120 --> 01:28:17.840 I try to avoid those labelings because then it's really helpful for us as adults to say, 01:28:17.840 --> 01:28:22.480 "Oh, these are the characteristics of an indigo child or a crystal child or this and this." 01:28:22.480 --> 01:28:27.640 And this is why it helps us understand why we're different or why we experience something 01:28:27.640 --> 01:28:28.640 differently. 01:28:28.640 --> 01:28:34.800 But as parents looking and observing the various types of children coming, just accept them 01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:36.880 and loves them as who they are, 01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:38.100 and observe their needs, 01:28:38.100 --> 01:28:39.380 and become the parents they need, 01:28:39.380 --> 01:28:42.180 and create the condition that your child needs. 01:28:42.180 --> 01:28:45.120 Yes, a lot of them are very evolved souls. 01:28:45.120 --> 01:28:48.500 A lot of them have never incarnated on earth. 01:28:48.500 --> 01:28:51.480 And being here is very, very difficult for them. 01:28:51.480 --> 01:28:53.100 They are overwhelmed. 01:28:53.100 --> 01:28:55.360 They don't know what they signed up for. 01:28:55.360 --> 01:28:59.620 And going through those years of being dependent is the key, 01:28:59.620 --> 01:29:01.400 whether they're gonna manage 01:29:01.400 --> 01:29:04.800 to fulfill their missions here or not. 01:29:04.800 --> 01:29:06.880 - Here's a question. 01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:09.880 A lot of times people listen to conversations like this 01:29:09.880 --> 01:29:12.600 and they think, "Well, how do you know this?" 01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:14.400 And like you just said, a lot of them, 01:29:14.400 --> 01:29:16.400 this is their first incarnation on earth. 01:29:16.400 --> 01:29:19.120 And I can hear people thinking, "How does she know that?" 01:29:19.120 --> 01:29:21.000 And I, myself, I'm always saying things 01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:23.680 that like I can ask myself, "Well, how do I really know that? 01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:24.760 Is it just a belief? 01:29:24.760 --> 01:29:28.680 Is it somehow derived from my meditations experiences 01:29:28.680 --> 01:29:33.720 or whatever, or have I just built a belief system that makes sense to me, that involves 01:29:33.720 --> 01:29:38.640 reincarnation and all kinds of other things that I have no really concrete proof for? 01:29:38.640 --> 01:29:40.320 So, I can't prove it. 01:29:40.320 --> 01:29:41.800 This is not something I can prove. 01:29:41.800 --> 01:29:42.800 Yeah. 01:29:42.800 --> 01:29:48.720 But when I meet those kids in my work and I connect to their energy field, their energy 01:29:48.720 --> 01:29:52.960 field is very different, and there are all kinds of energy fields. 01:29:52.960 --> 01:29:57.720 It's not just what we usually see for a soul that has incarnated many times and it can be 01:29:57.720 --> 01:30:03.480 more luminous or less luminous. They carry information. Sometimes the resolution that 01:30:03.480 --> 01:30:09.720 they need takes place in other planets. So we see those beings. And it's not just me, 01:30:09.720 --> 01:30:15.640 it's a lot of my colleagues as well. I know I'm not the only one seeing those different essences. 01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:23.240 You can say shamanic journeying in every traveling to other dimensions is a fruit of our imagination. 01:30:23.240 --> 01:30:30.920 So we can be skeptic whether it's true or not true. This is what I experience in my healing sessions with many children being born today 01:30:30.920 --> 01:30:33.960 young ones very young ones 01:30:33.960 --> 01:30:36.680 Showing characteristics i've never seen before 01:30:36.680 --> 01:30:39.240 sharing information 01:30:39.240 --> 01:30:41.240 I've never heard before 01:30:41.240 --> 01:30:44.520 This is what I am seeing in my type of 01:30:44.520 --> 01:30:46.200 work 01:30:46.200 --> 01:30:48.200 But i'll say something beyond that 01:30:48.200 --> 01:30:50.820 regardless who that soul is 01:30:51.380 --> 01:30:55.300 regardless who that being is or where they come from. 01:30:55.300 --> 01:30:58.700 Our shared intention is to have them all 01:30:58.700 --> 01:31:00.380 fulfill their journey. 01:31:00.380 --> 01:31:03.260 And to fulfill their journey, they need to be human. 01:31:03.260 --> 01:31:06.420 And I said earlier, I believe in grounded spirituality. 01:31:06.420 --> 01:31:09.420 The most spiritual thing to do is to be who you are. 01:31:09.420 --> 01:31:13.700 And our job role as the parents 01:31:13.700 --> 01:31:15.620 is as significant adults to others. 01:31:15.620 --> 01:31:19.460 It's often not the parents, it's other significant adults, 01:31:19.460 --> 01:31:24.540 like grandparents, like teachers, like an aunt and uncle, like a librarian. 01:31:24.540 --> 01:31:29.900 They're really important people that guide those sensitive children, 01:31:29.900 --> 01:31:35.460 those quiet children on how to be living a human experience, grounded, 01:31:35.460 --> 01:31:39.540 not about floating and soaring and escaping their human reality, 01:31:39.540 --> 01:31:42.980 which we all do because being human is really difficult, 01:31:42.980 --> 01:31:46.580 but by embracing this journey fully. 01:31:47.140 --> 01:31:52.540 So it doesn't matter if it's a star seed, if it's an indigo children, if it's a child, 01:31:52.540 --> 01:31:59.740 if it's beings that never incarnated before, or a really, really wise, luminous, spiritual 01:31:59.740 --> 01:32:00.740 soul. 01:32:00.740 --> 01:32:02.480 They all need those conditions. 01:32:02.480 --> 01:32:07.220 They all need for us to be kind and compassionate and open the door for them to become who they 01:32:07.220 --> 01:32:08.220 can. 01:32:08.220 --> 01:32:10.000 And they each need something different. 01:32:10.000 --> 01:32:12.900 That's why they choose different parents and different conditions. 01:32:12.900 --> 01:32:16.620 Yeah, because of the kind of people I interview I've talked to a lot of people who 01:32:16.620 --> 01:32:24.680 Were very sensitive as children in some cases could see angels or had auras or you know different subtle stuff like that 01:32:24.680 --> 01:32:25.380 and 01:32:25.380 --> 01:32:31.120 some of them assumed that everyone sees things that way and they they learn soon enough that that is not the case and 01:32:31.120 --> 01:32:35.160 Often when they would talk about their experiences to their parents or others 01:32:35.160 --> 01:32:39.340 They would be told that it was their imagination or there was something wrong with them or whatever 01:32:39.340 --> 01:32:43.340 so they shut it down or just wouldn't talk about it anymore. 01:32:43.340 --> 01:32:50.420 But what you're doing in terms of normalizing and accepting and acknowledging these kinds 01:32:50.420 --> 01:32:53.100 of kids is great. 01:32:53.100 --> 01:32:57.780 Why should we all have to shut it down and go through crazy teenage years in order to 01:32:57.780 --> 01:33:00.340 maybe eventually rediscover it later on? 01:33:00.340 --> 01:33:05.340 It would be nice to just kind of keep the ball rolling from start to finish in life 01:33:05.340 --> 01:33:11.500 and have this kind of way of functioning become the norm, which I think it easily could be. 01:33:11.500 --> 01:33:14.940 You know, you mentioned other planets, maybe there are planets in which 01:33:14.940 --> 01:33:23.100 highly enlightened people are the norm. Be nice to think that. And why not this one? It could happen, 01:33:23.100 --> 01:33:27.180 we could change it, not in a snap of the fingers, but over time. 01:33:27.180 --> 01:33:33.580 >> Susan Over time, one by one. I was a kid like that. And I know many children who are like that. 01:33:34.220 --> 01:33:38.460 And at least locally I am I feel that the peer groups that they have a group 01:33:38.460 --> 01:33:41.740 Most my daughters and all the teens and children that I work with 01:33:41.740 --> 01:33:50.080 They have a group they relate to there are other children and teens that they know who see energies who experience all kind of experiences 01:33:50.080 --> 01:33:57.180 Like they do that's very powerful. And I know that's true also for others that I know who are leading such groups 01:33:58.140 --> 01:34:04.620 It's both normalizing it in terms within the family and usually a sensitive child a child with all kinds of abilities 01:34:04.620 --> 01:34:08.620 One of their parents have those abilities as well, but they shut it down 01:34:08.620 --> 01:34:11.100 But when they have also the peer group 01:34:11.100 --> 01:34:16.780 And that's where I think books are really important and stories and there are many spiritual aspects in children 01:34:16.780 --> 01:34:21.980 Middle grade books today. You can find them weaved in all kinds of places 01:34:21.980 --> 01:34:24.140 it's becoming 01:34:24.140 --> 01:34:30.300 less un-norm or not normal, and there is information. So yeah, I'm hoping that I am 01:34:30.300 --> 01:34:37.180 contributing my bit of quantum, my quantum to this ripple of opening up. There are many like me 01:34:37.180 --> 01:34:41.740 around the world, and that's the intention. >> And there's a lot of cool stuff in the popular 01:34:41.740 --> 01:34:47.340 culture, like become a Jedi Master, or become a wizard, or whatever. The children get these stories 01:34:47.340 --> 01:34:50.700 that we can have these so-called magical abilities. 01:34:50.700 --> 01:34:58.460 >> That's amazing, and just think how many kids relate to those superpowers. But we need to also 01:34:58.460 --> 01:35:05.020 be really careful that we don't attribute superpowers to characters existing only in 01:35:05.020 --> 01:35:10.780 movies and books, and actually confirm to our children that their abilities are superpowers, 01:35:10.780 --> 01:35:14.260 because every child has superpowers. 01:35:14.260 --> 01:35:17.180 And as young children, until like five or six, 01:35:17.180 --> 01:35:19.420 they're really into it. 01:35:19.420 --> 01:35:22.360 Some are in five or six, many of them, not all of them, 01:35:22.360 --> 01:35:24.980 some carry it along into their teen years, 01:35:24.980 --> 01:35:28.740 but some of them start to get confused and rational 01:35:28.740 --> 01:35:31.700 and go to school and mental processes, 01:35:31.700 --> 01:35:34.140 and they lose not only the belief 01:35:34.140 --> 01:35:38.300 in the super human characteristics, 01:35:38.300 --> 01:35:41.420 but also the belief in their own superpower. 01:35:41.420 --> 01:35:42.260 - Yeah. 01:35:42.260 --> 01:35:44.260 - So it's a delicate like process 01:35:44.260 --> 01:35:48.180 of nourishing those connections to heroes 01:35:48.180 --> 01:35:50.000 that carry superpowers, 01:35:50.000 --> 01:35:52.820 but also finding that reflection 01:35:52.820 --> 01:35:54.100 of where does that, 01:35:54.100 --> 01:35:55.780 you have your superpower as well. 01:35:55.780 --> 01:35:58.160 And maybe it's different and maybe it's not seen 01:35:58.160 --> 01:35:59.420 and maybe we don't know what it is, 01:35:59.420 --> 01:36:02.220 but it's there because they all have it. 01:36:02.220 --> 01:36:04.660 - Yeah, I have a friend who has a sensitive child like that. 01:36:04.660 --> 01:36:06.180 And he came home from school one day and said, 01:36:06.180 --> 01:36:10.020 "Mommy, my teacher told me there's no such thing as dragons." 01:36:10.020 --> 01:36:16.340 And I actually made a video for the kid and sent it down about how there is such a thing as dragons 01:36:16.340 --> 01:36:21.460 and they don't exist on the gross plane. They perhaps exist in other dimensions and whatnot 01:36:21.460 --> 01:36:26.020 and that's why they're in all the cultures around the world. In fact, next week I'm going to 01:36:26.020 --> 01:36:31.060 interview a lady who this is her whole focus is talking about all the different other kinds of 01:36:31.060 --> 01:36:38.100 life, non-human life that exists in various dimensions and how many humans are actually 01:36:38.100 --> 01:36:45.540 hybrids of some elf or something and human, not through necessarily interbreeding, but through 01:36:45.540 --> 01:36:50.820 some kind of mind meld with some such entity. Anyway, that should be a bit of a stretch for 01:36:50.820 --> 01:36:53.780 some people, but I think it's fun. I'm listening to her books right now. 01:36:53.780 --> 01:36:57.940 >>Sarah: I think it's an important thing to be aware of and not to be afraid of. 01:36:57.940 --> 01:36:58.580 >>Rick: Yeah. 01:36:58.580 --> 01:37:04.660 But if I go back to your example of that kid and dragons, that's how kids lose their belief 01:37:04.660 --> 01:37:05.800 in themselves. 01:37:05.800 --> 01:37:10.980 That's how they lose that connection because someone with no bad intentions tells them that 01:37:10.980 --> 01:37:13.120 what they know is not real. 01:37:13.120 --> 01:37:16.420 And those dragons are real for that child. 01:37:16.420 --> 01:37:20.580 Maybe that's the guidance, maybe that's what they see in their visioning, maybe that's 01:37:20.580 --> 01:37:23.060 their energetic communication, we never know. 01:37:23.060 --> 01:37:24.620 >>Rick: Yeah, now may have... 01:37:24.620 --> 01:37:27.300 >>Susan: I'm not going to dismiss anything that kids say. 01:37:27.300 --> 01:37:32.300 Just nourish whatever they know for themselves, even if it's something I'm not familiar with. 01:37:32.300 --> 01:37:33.300 >>Rick: Sure. 01:37:33.300 --> 01:37:37.380 And that's not to say that Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny are all 01:37:37.380 --> 01:37:43.220 real, but that also doesn't mean that all kinds of other things aren't real, that part 01:37:43.220 --> 01:37:48.500 of our folklore, perhaps, or at least in some kind of distorted form, have come down through 01:37:48.500 --> 01:37:49.500 the ages. 01:37:49.500 --> 01:37:50.500 >>Susan: Exactly. 01:37:50.500 --> 01:37:52.260 >>Rick: One final point. 01:37:52.260 --> 01:37:56.860 I interviewed a woman a couple months ago who has an autistic daughter, Melinda Edwards, 01:37:56.860 --> 01:38:02.320 and she felt and feels that autistic children are special in a way, that they're some kind 01:38:02.320 --> 01:38:09.500 of harbingers of some higher consciousness, but they just haven't really learned to, or 01:38:09.500 --> 01:38:15.340 they're not wired well to function in our society or on this planet or whatever. 01:38:15.340 --> 01:38:20.340 In fact, Mindy is going to be interviewed by Tammy Simon, if sounds true, pretty soon, 01:38:20.340 --> 01:38:22.040 about that topic. 01:38:22.040 --> 01:38:28.760 friend who has a nice level of spiritual awakening, but who discovered that she is neurodivergent. 01:38:28.760 --> 01:38:32.800 She's of course a grown adult, is going to be interviewed by Sounds True. 01:38:32.800 --> 01:38:40.040 What do you think about autism, neurodivergence, things like that in children and perhaps also 01:38:40.040 --> 01:38:44.520 in adults, even adults who are highly spiritual? 01:38:44.520 --> 01:38:53.400 They're definitely offering us a different way of viewing the world and of how thought 01:38:53.400 --> 01:38:57.320 processes work, how communication works. 01:38:57.320 --> 01:39:04.320 And yes, again, my limited sample, not representative children on the spectrum that I was honored 01:39:04.320 --> 01:39:07.280 to work with, they all came from far away. 01:39:07.280 --> 01:39:09.240 Came from far away means? 01:39:09.240 --> 01:39:10.240 Other planets. 01:39:10.240 --> 01:39:11.240 Other planets. 01:39:11.240 --> 01:39:12.240 Okay. 01:39:12.240 --> 01:39:13.240 Far away. 01:39:13.240 --> 01:39:19.640 Some of the challenges were challenges of adjusting to how human life is in terms of the way of 01:39:19.640 --> 01:39:24.120 communicating, in terms of processing information. 01:39:24.120 --> 01:39:27.380 And it's different, like I'm thinking of specific situations. 01:39:27.380 --> 01:39:34.420 Some of them were about being overwhelmed from so much information because they catch 01:39:34.420 --> 01:39:36.080 so much information at the same time. 01:39:36.080 --> 01:39:39.040 It's like they have so many more receptors. 01:39:39.040 --> 01:39:41.080 So it's overwhelming. 01:39:41.080 --> 01:39:47.080 And some of them are actually bringing, offering a type of, and again, this is generalizing, 01:39:47.080 --> 01:39:51.720 this is not my specialty, but I have worked with many on the spectrum. 01:39:51.720 --> 01:39:53.760 They offer us a different type of healing. 01:39:53.760 --> 01:39:55.400 They absorb energies. 01:39:55.400 --> 01:39:58.120 They're communicating just in a different way. 01:39:58.120 --> 01:40:05.200 So they're avoiding what we would accept to be a common way of human communication. 01:40:05.200 --> 01:40:09.640 Or they have their challenges, again, each child and their challenges, but they're very, 01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:15.840 very evolved, luminous being offering us a very advanced level of healing. 01:40:15.840 --> 01:40:19.560 And they absorb and release it out. 01:40:19.560 --> 01:40:21.280 And they are a vessel. 01:40:21.280 --> 01:40:26.440 I don't think that's always healthy for them, because they need guidance on how to be a 01:40:26.440 --> 01:40:31.760 vessel for healing, how to absorb somebody else's energy and then transfer it out and 01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:33.940 not have it stuck in them. 01:40:33.940 --> 01:40:36.840 Some of them know how to do it, some of them don't. 01:40:36.840 --> 01:40:43.680 So again, I avoid generalizing, but they are definitely a blessing to humanity, and they're 01:40:43.680 --> 01:40:48.120 offering us teachings and lessons that others don't. 01:40:48.120 --> 01:40:49.600 >>Rick: That's great, great answer. 01:40:49.600 --> 01:40:51.160 I'm glad I brought it up. 01:40:51.160 --> 01:40:55.080 And when you say they came from other planets, you're not implying that they came in spaceships 01:40:55.080 --> 01:40:58.120 necessarily, but they incarnated here. 01:40:58.120 --> 01:41:01.160 >>Suzanne: They incarnated here, yes. 01:41:01.160 --> 01:41:05.440 Incarnated here was an intention also for themselves, for learning, to experiencing. 01:41:05.440 --> 01:41:10.400 It's not just about bringing gifts, it's also about their own experience of humanity and 01:41:10.400 --> 01:41:17.600 what they can learn here about different types of information processes, communication, perspectives. 01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:19.400 >>Rick: Nice. 01:41:19.400 --> 01:41:20.400 Great. 01:41:20.400 --> 01:41:25.180 Well, we've gone on a couple hours and probably should wrap it up, but I've really enjoyed 01:41:25.180 --> 01:41:28.560 this conversation and getting to know you better. 01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:33.740 I'll be linking to your website and people can find out what you're up to there, sign 01:41:33.740 --> 01:41:38.300 up for things, whatever, get in touch with you. But is there anything that you'd like to say in closing? 01:41:38.300 --> 01:41:45.260 >> I've got the stage to say a lot of what I think. My website, my name, fachekreft.com, 01:41:45.260 --> 01:41:49.900 you can find the information about my book, The Promise We Made, a lot of free resources, 01:41:49.900 --> 01:41:55.260 a lot of articles, and also a contact page to contact me with any question or anything that 01:41:55.260 --> 01:42:01.500 comes up. I guess my message to everyone and my hope and my dreaming that we find our essence 01:42:01.500 --> 01:42:05.340 and we become the humans, the kind, compassionate, loving humans that we can. 01:42:05.340 --> 01:42:09.500 That would be so nice to live that and not just dream it. 01:42:09.500 --> 01:42:14.140 Yeah. Well, thank you so much for your contribution to making that a reality. 01:42:14.140 --> 01:42:20.780 There's a team of people around the world, loosely affiliated and unbeknownst to one another for the 01:42:20.780 --> 01:42:26.140 most part, who are all moving this thing along and helping to bring about a better world. 01:42:26.140 --> 01:42:29.740 Yeah, everywhere. Many, many, many, many. 01:42:29.740 --> 01:42:30.240 Yeah. 01:42:31.180 --> 01:42:35.180 So each one of us does our little thing and we create a ripple. 01:42:35.180 --> 01:42:38.220 Which is hope for optimism, you know, because I've heard people say, 01:42:38.220 --> 01:42:41.980 "Well, I don't want to have children because climate change," and, you know, things like that. 01:42:41.980 --> 01:42:46.620 But I think we need all the evolved souls we can get to help transform the world, 01:42:46.620 --> 01:42:49.740 including climate change and every other problem that besets us. 01:42:49.740 --> 01:42:54.220 Yeah, yeah, and there's so many wanting to come to Earth. 01:42:54.220 --> 01:42:55.660 Yeah. 01:42:55.660 --> 01:42:56.700 Earth can handle it. 01:42:59.180 --> 01:43:05.820 Yeah, and I don't want to drag this on too much, but if you are a spiritually conscious person and 01:43:05.820 --> 01:43:12.140 aspiring to higher development and all that stuff, there's a verse in the Bhagavad Gita which says, 01:43:12.140 --> 01:43:18.700 if you're really a righteous soul, then you might be reborn in a well-educated affluent family, 01:43:18.700 --> 01:43:24.940 but then it says if you're really worthy, you will be born in a family of yogis, although it says, 01:43:24.940 --> 01:43:47.500 as 01:43:47.500 --> 01:43:53.260 might have stalked, we didn't have children, but anyway, I think it's a special time in 01:43:53.260 --> 01:43:56.820 the world, and as you said, there are many highly evolved souls wishing to be born. 01:43:56.820 --> 01:44:03.020 >>Suzanne: Yeah, and I think that, again, people know if they are here to be biological 01:44:03.020 --> 01:44:08.180 parents or adoptive parents or significant adults, so others are not have children because 01:44:08.180 --> 01:44:13.580 their mission is about something else, and it's all okay, as long as it's aligned to 01:44:13.580 --> 01:44:15.740 what we wanted for our journey. 01:44:15.740 --> 01:44:16.740 Alright, great. 01:44:16.740 --> 01:44:19.740 Alright, well thank you, that's a good note to end on. 01:44:19.740 --> 01:44:21.740 Thank you, thank you very much. 01:44:21.740 --> 01:44:25.740 Oh yes, thank you, and thanks to those who have been listening or watching, and we'll 01:44:25.740 --> 01:44:27.180 see you for the next one. 01:44:27.180 --> 01:44:32.340 Visit the website to check out signing up for the mailing list and the AI chatbot and 01:44:32.340 --> 01:44:34.660 anything else that happens to interest you there. 01:44:34.660 --> 01:44:38.220 And visit Efrat's website as well. 01:44:38.220 --> 01:44:40.220 It's efratshokef.com, right? 01:44:40.220 --> 01:44:41.220 Yes. 01:44:41.220 --> 01:44:42.220 Okay, good. 01:44:42.220 --> 01:44:45.500 It's hard to spell that. I'll be linking to it from your page on BatGap. 01:44:45.500 --> 01:44:47.980 Right. Thank you. I appreciate it. 01:44:47.980 --> 01:44:49.580 All righty. 01:44:49.580 --> 01:45:13.980 [Music]