Rick Archer (00:00):
Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump. I'm Rick Archer. My guest today is Lucas Bergenthal
and here's a brief bio of Lucas.
Four years ago, I experienced an awakening that opened up different worlds and granted
me access to the Akasha through telepathy, leading to a higher state of consciousness.
Since then, I have dedicated my time to integrating this experience and helping others identify
past influences that hinder the realization of their soul's full presence. I also assist
animals through telepathy. I conduct workshops on esoteric teachings gathered since my awakening,
providing keys to help people find their way home. And more with Lucas in a minute.
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Welcome, Lucas.
Thank you.
Good to have you here.
Lucas and I had a conversation earlier in the week.
He's one of these people that I kind of feel like I know him.
I think you'll get that feeling too.
easy to know and kind of a kindred soul I think to all of us. So you're 29 years
old as I recall. Let's do a little bit of chronological bio first. I remember
hearing you say that when you were a kid you had perceptions of things that you
just assumed that everyone had but you later discovered they didn't. So what were
you like as a little kid? How I was as a little kid is the story from my parents
because I cannot remember it myself.
Right.
Me neither.
I have a few moments I can remember, but what is most easy for me to actually
explain is my latest awakening, because that leads to how I was as a kid.
If that's okay, I go that way.
I tried very much after I dropped school, I tried to fit in society, you know, with
like figuring out what to do with life, try to be successful with this work or
this work or what to do.
And the more I tried to seek success, the more I found this empty hole inside of me.
And at one point I just like, I completely burned out and I went into a depression
for a year where I only slept two hours a night.
And it was actually one day when my parents, they came to me and they said,
you know what, Lucas, there's something we have to tell you.
We have to tell you something from when you were a child.
Then they started to tell me how I often talked about past lives, how often,
like my own past lives, when I was sitting and playing with my toys, I
Apparently said to my mom, like, mom, now I know how I died in my past life.
And then I told the entire story and such.
And that was more like a daily routine that I, that I often spoke about either
past lives or like what will happen in the future or seeing spirits, you know,
when someone left the family, left the body, I like waking up the entire night,
just like watching the spirits and such.
So my parents, they often saw that there was something in me that
was awakened to these worlds.
And the more I try to fit in society, the more I open an emptiness inside of myself.
It kind of drained me.
So that's how I was as a, as a kid.
I was able to see my past lives and I was able to, to sometimes get
glimpses of the future, which will happen, which I said to my parents.
Stuff like having a little brother or something that's like a more classic
one, but stuff like that, but also seeing spirits that also made me afraid
of the darkness when I was a kid.
So yeah, there's a lot of hindrances trying to fit into the world when you're so spiritual.
Yeah, a lot of so-called spiritual people have a hard time fitting into the world.
They go through a struggle when they're younger. In fact, you have a picture of Saint Francis behind
you and I don't know if you've ever seen the movie Brother, Son, Sister, Moon about Saint Francis.
He came back from the Crusades and he was a sort of a macho guy and then he got really sick and
then he came out of that and had this huge transformation. And then, you know, his father
wanted him to work in the family clothing business or whatever it was. And in the movie at least he
took off all his clothes and threw them around and just wandered off. Yeah, he just said, "I can't
make it in this world. I can't fit in." Somehow I'm trying to fit in a little bit more still,
I'm not walking around naked in the street at least. Yeah, well if you did, you'd get a nice
cozy jail cell to sleep in.
One of the things that I'm very dedicated to today is to help people that also have openings
because there's so many people who have these kind of openings, it's so hard to fit into
society and it's about finding the balance, right?
Because some people have an issue even though they're like very awakened and you know they
have these open abilities and such.
So it's actually one of the things that I'm trying to really be in service of because I
I know how devastating it can be if you don't know what's within you and you don't know
how to react without you.
There's probably a lot of people watching today that feel that way.
Incidentally, I didn't mention in the beginning that you're in Denmark, you're Danish, in
case people are wondering what your accent is.
So how do you help such people?
That's very difficult.
That's the thing with the way I work.
I don't have a formula of what I do.
People sometimes call it soul therapy.
I don't really have a name for it, but it's basically I'm trying to find the truth within them
Which they are not able to see themselves. I know that sounds very normal or something
but that's like my go-to point and then every session or every
Meeting I have with someone goes different ways
but there is of course these kind of
Fundamental parts that i'm using of myself and i'm using like you mentioned i'm using
telepathy and I'm using my opening to the Akasha and
Also my opening to the past lives which I have today to help these people
Seeing what's blocking them. What's causing suffering? I
Actually figured you were gonna say that it's different for different people which makes sense
You know, you wouldn't obviously do the same thing with everybody
can you think of a typical session that maybe you had recently or and
Just kind of give us a sense of how that went and what your experience was
with the person and maybe what you saw in a subtler way about them and maybe what
Transformation if any they underwent
Recently I had a client that came to me and she saw one of my past interviews and she felt that kind of cold
She didn't know what she came for. So I sat with her and she said I don't know why I'm here
But I just feel like I need to have that session with you and then for me
like I have to see the entire book of the soul's incarnation to figure out okay where is the
chapter that something happened where we need to look into today to figure out what's blocking.
So it's not like I see a book but that's the best symbol it's very subtle out there so it's very hard
to say but I kind of like I scrolled and like you have the book and you scroll and I'm like okay
there's something here I feel okay let's look into that. I basically read her without her saying
anything, how she had problems in her relationship and how she had that she actually wasn't together
with her husband anymore and she was trying to seek love from others and at the same time and
why that happened because in her mind she didn't know what was happening. She didn't see that there
was something that caused her suffering. She just went to me because she said I feel a cold, I don't
know what it is. Of course I have suffering, I don't know what it is. And then I kind of guided
in to see what it was and then we went into, okay, what is this about? Because one of the things that
I really try to do is always pull the energy back. So it's what's within you and never about the other
person. That can be very triggering for a lot of people because sometimes it's easy to put it to
others. But I'm really trying to figure out what is the karmic pattern that is blocking you to see
the truth within yourself in this situation that kind of sets you free. That's my belief,
that when we see the truth and we become conscious about that truth, and we accept that truth,
and we embody it, it can set us free. I have a couple of questions about that.
One is, when did you start picking up on people's past lives?
I became conscious about it four years ago in my awakening. I had a moment, I had an experience
where all these kind of abilities came back to me, because it got suppressed for a long time.
So within... Came back to you from previous lives or from your childhood?
From my childhood, but also more strong, I guess it's more strong than my childhood,
it feels like that at least. And even your childhood, you could say that was from
previous lives, you probably had this stuff developed back then.
Yeah, I believe so, because I know I've worked with it in past lives also, because you know,
You know, that's one of the first thing I saw was like a story of my soul's own incarnation
into this world.
Yeah, I believe so.
When we are being born with these abilities, it's because the soul have already unlocked
it in the past life.
Yeah.
And a general principle we could state here is that everybody comes into this life at
a certain level of evolution, which is pretty much the level of evolution at which they
left the last life.
You kind of pick up where you left off.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
how I use this like with the past lives because in the beginning it was very
hard for me to see if someone when this opened within these three days and you
know I started to just I was walking on the street and I saw a man and I saw how
he jumped out of a house in the past life or like how he raped or murdered
someone you know I saw these kind of things just walking on the street seeing
Wow was it like constant and therefore really overwhelming or just occasionally
flash. It was constant in a way. If I walked with isolate myself to figure out how can I
shut it down, shut it down five or ten of them, something like that. You'd get some image of them
jumping out of a window or something. Yeah, exactly. You know, when the telepathic ability
opened, I also got the thoughts. It came like if they were also like suicidal or what they were
thinking about. And often it was very dark what people are walking around thinking about.
I took a lot of time to really isolate myself to figure out how can I
Shut it down shut it down
Oh, yeah brain it so it will only be open when it's needed. And so did you accomplish that? Yeah, I did
It was a very intense half a year where I felt like a lot of joy and a lot of light
to life
Vanished for a long time because it felt picking up on all this stuff. Yeah. Yeah, it was very intense very overwhelming
And you know all the dark stuff
But I went deep and I actually within half a year I learned how to only open up
not even when they asked me but when they needed because you know, I also figure out when people, you know friends or like people and
Who's also like a seeker and they heard about this this and they were like meeting me somewhere
They're like, can you tell me something about i'm not doing it that way
It's only like if people come to me with like and they really need help
They want to heal then i'm opening up. I'm not opening up for for fun
Yeah, it's not a party game. No
You'd be a popular guy
Well, that's the thing right I I had to make a choice also when I saw that I could become very popular like I could feed
The part of myself who could seek affirmation and such
And I need to drop that also and say that's not that's not the path. I want to go. I want to go this one
Yeah, I was thinking about that
maybe it was after our conversation that we had the other day, and maybe you and I actually
talked about it. Yeah, we did, because we talked about the story of Jesus after his 40 days and 40
nights in the desert being tempted by the devil, so to speak, and told that he could be famous and
he could do all this stuff if he kind of got in league with the devil. And Jesus, I think that
might have been the point where he said, "Get thee behind me, Satan." You know, he didn't fall for it.
I can think of examples of people who had some kind of spiritual awakening and gained some
kind of powers which were very attractive to people and they abused them.
They ended up using it as a tool for getting a lot of sex or taking advantage of people
in different ways and that to me is like a pitfall on the spiritual path which results
in a huge downfall that you got to make amends for perhaps over many lifetimes later on.
Yeah, because you have a big responsibility when you open up to other people's energies.
It's one of those things that can break my heart much today actually to see because the more you
unveil the illusion into the truth and you see all these layers, the more I've done that, the
more I actually see that there is not many healers out there who's not kind of serving illusions,
I could say that way, or serving like an unconscious pattern because the first experience I had with
this was I had my own kind of trip with this where I needed to figure out and we can go into that
later on because I got tempted and I got also they also like the darkness also tested me you know
coming physically and you know with voices and such really like tried to break me. The next
question I'd like to ask is what is the experience like for you of seeing a past life and maybe you
could compare it to something that people are familiar with is it like a dream where you have
a dream and you visualize somebody's life obviously it would be a waking dream because you're not
out of sleep, is it primarily a visual thing?
Does it involve all the senses?
How concrete is it?
Or is it just really subtle and vague like an intuition?
- It's very different.
There's many different ways I use it.
Sometimes I use it consciously.
If someone sits with me, I know at three o'clock today,
I have a client and we sit today.
So then I'm opening up myself.
Sometimes things also come to me in my dreams,
or even in my knowing that there is something
that I have to tell one of my students or one from my family,
or something like that.
So it works in very different ways.
But I think what you also ask is like,
for example, for my work, when I sit with people,
how it comes to me that way.
And it actually comes through impressions, through emotions.
So the sensitivity that I have within myself,
I feel those things within myself.
And when I go in to feel it, I see a storyline.
I see a happening.
- So it starts with the feeling,
but then it also becomes visual.
- Yeah, it can become visual.
I don't really use the visual anymore
because it's not really necessary.
But yeah, it did for a long time.
I just kind of like shut it off
because there was no reason for it anymore.
And it was a little bit of distraction
from me being present in the moment.
I trained it in a way to know that
what happened in that past lifetime,
for example, like this woman we talked about,
you know, that she felt it was actually a part of her
that cheated on her husband in another lifetime.
And through that she became a self-destructive pattern where she said, "I would never deserve
someone again.
I will never deserve love again."
And that emotion she gave birth to in that past life, and that was still running in her
mind like a voice saying, "I don't deserve this."
And I think many people, they know this, but for the specific karmic pattern of her, it
was that emotion that she needs to go in and heal that voice.
So that emotion is what I feel in my body.
And when I feel that emotion, I see the knowing of what happened, the experience of how that
kind of emotion was being born and it's running today. Do you sometimes pick up on a series of
lives for a person? Yeah. You might say I was a murderer but then in my next life I was a doctor
helping people to help atone for my having been a murderer and then I did... I mean do you get a
whole storyline going over many lives? Yeah I often try to narrow it into 10 lifetimes. Wow
Even that's a lot. Yeah, but I don't see the entire life right for me
It's just about figuring out what karmic pattern right now is blocking you for feeling more free
If I see for example that woman and she had that in another lifetime
I walk into the next lifetime or like I tap into that to see how did it affect that lifetime how it affected that lifetime?
So i'm like jumping to see that karmic pattern like tracing it to see how that unfolded in different lifetimes
So I don't go into other stuff. I don't go into stories about who she was as you were priest or queen or something
I don't care about that because it's not important and that's one of the things that I realized myself because
many of my clients have also been people who have had past lives and where they
They heard that there was something very special and then the ego starts to go into that
It's not always polite when I have to sit and say I don't see that
Yeah, was it you I was talking to I was talking to somebody and he was saying, uh
It's amazing how many people thought they were Cleopatra. I have had 30 of them or something
talk about multiple personality disorder. I mean Cleopatra was a crowded body.
One of the things that really drains me because people come to me often to get confirmation like
I was this important I was this important and I get it because if we send deep suffering
it's very nice for the mind and for the emotions to feel like you know what in the past life I was
very important. Maybe I don't feel that important in this one, but I can rest on that. But it keeps
holding us into pain and it's kind of hard to break the illusion often, but like to be the dream crusher.
Well, I guess, you know, who was it Emerson or Thoreau said most men live lives of quiet
desperation. A lot of people feel their lives are kind of mundane and boring and humdrum. And it's
kind of a kick to think you might have been Mark Twain or Cleopatra or Napoleon or whatever.
And this leads to an interesting question, which is how to discern between fantasy and
reality.
I think this is something you yourself must have to deal with, because I've heard you
talk about Atlantis and living on other star systems and all that.
Have you sometimes thought or realized that something you were thinking was actually just
your imagination, and maybe it's not true after all?
And is that something you have to kind of keep your eye out for to make sure you don't do
that?
I keep my eye out all the time.
It's like a lifestyle.
And that's also what I teach my students.
You cannot conclude anything you see.
Everything that I've said in my past, I cannot sit here today and say it's 100% the truth.
I can only do my best always to serve to see if it's the truth.
And I always question myself to feel in, is there a part of me somehow that feels this
is not fully aligned?
And if there's just like 1% of that, I dive into that.
Of course, it sometimes happens that I've seen, well, this thing might not be fully...
I'm more careful when I sit here, for example, like in an interview, because I know that's
going to follow me.
But if I sit with a friend or something, I'm not as careful, but I'm more careful with
what I say on interviews that I've really dived into that to see, okay, there's no part
of me that feels any sort of disturbance or disharmony, because that's how it comes to
me.
If there is a part of my ego that wants to say like part of the personality that wants
to say something, that's why I know it's like part of the imagination.
So it's like a full time job to always question everything that comes because things come
down all the time.
That's my daily life just comes down right so I have to filter through.
That's really good and I'm glad to hear you say that because I know people and I've interviewed
people who don't seem to be able to distinguish between reality and fantasy or between imagination
and something that might be true.
I remember this one guy who lived in Sedona.
Anything that popped into his head, and he had a good imagination, he assumed to be true,
and he was just kind of making stuff up.
And some of the stuff I knew historically and factually was absolutely untrue.
So what purpose does that serve?
And you know the whole new age world is full of all kinds of fascinating stuff.
But as someone put it, it's hostess Twinkies for the mind.
I don't know if you have hostess Twinkies in Denmark, but they're like these snack foods
that are real tasty, but absolutely no nutritional value.
Yeah, that's it.
That's a perfect symbol.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, it's true.
It's true.
I also see was your truth at one point, like the more you dive in, and the more you seek
within for like finding the truth within yourself. You also realize of course just
things you said a couple of years ago that maybe was true at that point but
now you just hit a new layer where that thing is not fully like resonating
with you anymore. That's good. I don't know if you've ever heard of Aldous
Huxley but he was a philosopher and he said an interesting thing about
the scientific revolution. He said that the greatest innovation of the
scientific revolution was not the steam engine or the accurate clocks or anything
that. It was the development of the working hypothesis. Because we came out of an age,
the Middle Ages, where all kinds of religious dogma were considered to be true and you could
be killed if you questioned them. And so the scientific revolution gave people the liberty to
question everything. And that's kind of the way I do it myself. If somebody tells me they see angels,
there'd be a lot of evidence for that. So it's kind of like a matter of living your life around
hypothesis. Let's see how much evidence we can find for it, and maybe we can, maybe we can't,
but I'm not going to just absolutely believe it or absolutely reject it. And different things have
different degrees of evidence, different degrees of credibility. If somebody tells me the Earth is
flat, sorry, I really don't think it is. But if they say alien beings have been visiting the Earth,
yeah, there seems to be a lot of evidence for that. So, it's kind of like a matter of living
your life around what you can really know through experience rather than just imagining things.
Yeah, I agree. For example, what I've realized is often like when I get these things, especially
when it's something where I feel, okay, this could be on the edge, right? When we talk about
past civilizations or something, I'm trying to be very careful with what I say because
I don't want to feed into like the entire thing you mentioned, you know, I cannot remember the
the name but that beautiful symbol you use with that dessert thing.
Oh, the Hostess Twinkie.
Yeah, exactly.
I don't want to feed that.
So I'm trying to be very careful with that.
But one of the things that I, for example, realized was, I know that when I remembered
some past lives, where I could see that there was evidence behind it somehow, I knew how
that felt in my body.
So I was trying to be very cautious with how the different impressions that came from customers,
how it felt in my body.
And suddenly I realized, okay, there's a part that feels this way and there's a part that
feels this way.
And this way I might be more cautious about, where this way I'm still cautious, but I know
this feeling there might be more resonance with it.
So I dive into that.
One of the things, for example, that I realized was how there is different kinds of civilizations
at Atlantis.
And one of the things that came to me was what is important for me to know with that is not
to feed into this and this about that and that that's important, but more like to understand
that there was a part in the Atlantean time where they were more in a dreamy state than
they were in a waking state, like a waking state, like we sit today and feel like we
are. It's more like the consciousness was flowing and the cosmos was flowing with everything.
And for me, the message was to spread that. And I didn't fully share that until I realized
that there was also sayings from East that often said like, you are closer to the truth
when you're actually sleeping. So I start to like try to find other kinds of evidence
that someone says the same before I take it out, if it makes sense.
Well, that makes a lot of sense. I have long debates with skeptical and atheistic friends
about this kind of thing. Speaking of Aldous Huxley, there's the idea of the perennial philosophy,
where people all over the world in different cultures that had no way of communicating with
each other came up with similar ideas about the nature of reality. And it lends credence to their
theories or their philosophies. People are actually cognizing this kind of thing in every culture, in
every age. I cannot sit here also and say that I have seen the full truth. People need to resonate
with what I say and if they don't resonate it's just like drop it, you know, don't spend time on
it. I got that confirmation like I've always felt like that, you know, and people can be very
intimidated when they sit with me because some people they might ask questions and when I'm
private with some friends or something and they ask me questions often I answer
but people can also be very intimidating and say how do you know that and I'm like
well you don't have to believe it. I mean just drop it if you don't believe it. I'm
not sitting here and saying that this is like the truth and you have to follow it
because I don't believe so. I believe that there are so many perceptions of
life and I feel like I'm just still a student of that. I don't know anything I
don't it's like the more I realize stuff the more I realize that I don't know
anything. That's a great attitude. I think that might be what the Zen people meant
by beginner's mind, no matter how advanced you are, it's actually good to have beginner's mind.
- That makes sense. - To have the attitude of a beginner.
Because it's true, I mean, relative to what could be known, possibly,
nobody has more than a tiny fraction. - Yeah, exactly. And that's beautiful.
- In any field, like science, I mean, Albert Einstein probably would admit that he's at
the base of the mountain in terms of what could ultimately be known.
- Yeah, and it's beautiful, right? It's beautiful that we get to find the different puzzles and
And even when we feel like we have put it all, it's just like, we take that break and that
break and suddenly we have the puzzle and we realize that puzzle is only like a break
to another one and that's like, it keeps going that way.
Yeah.
It's beautiful.
It makes life interesting.
Yeah, it does.
Well, let's take Atlantis as an example.
Obviously we've heard a lot about Atlantis, Annie Besant and the Theosophical Society
and all kinds of people have been talking about it for a long time.
And I guess there are myths going back to ancient civilizations talking about it.
And that for me is one of those things where, I don't know, it's an interesting working
hypothesis.
Maybe it's all just myth, or maybe there actually was such a place and there will eventually
be some kind of archaeological or geological discovery that will confirm it or at least
lend evidence to it.
What is your thinking on that?
I mean, you've had subjective experiences about it, I've heard you say things about it, but
Where was it supposed to be and when did it supposed to end?
I think I want to start by saying that I actually agree with you in the way that it's not really
important for me if it happened or not happened.
It's more like when it comes to me this way, there is a message that we should use today.
What if it didn't happen?
Honestly, I don't even care because what happened in the past, and this is why it's also not
so good for my business of doing past life stuff, I don't care about the past anymore
because I don't believe that the past exists anymore.
But at the same time I get these kind of messages like there's something happened in the past
that you can use today to help people get deeper into the now to like be most soaked into the
now.
I just wanted to say that.
But as I see it with Atlantis, like Atlantis had three different kind of civilizations,
like there's different timelines.
Is what you're about to say all coming from something you have cognized or something you
read?
No, I am not a good reader.
So you didn't read about this.
This is something that came to you subjectively.
Exactly. When I get something, I try to find it in the book to get confirmations, but I don't know
where always where to search, right? So I have a lot of books and sometimes, you know, I sit here
and there and of course I still read to like also learn myself. That's very important for me, but
I'm not a big reader. So I haven't read any about this now. You should try the BatGap bot, ask that
your questions. We'll do that. We'll do that. Keep going. Perfect. The thing that I saw was,
and there was three different timelines of Atlantis. And I saw this because the way I
use telepathy is not only for me communicating with a dog or a horse or another human being,
it's actually like telepathy is the connection between the soul and the human. Because there's
a consciousness and there's a consciousness in between two souls, there's a consciousness and
consciousness. And that thing that relates those two is telepathy. It's like a communicative
bond, you can say. So when I got shown these things, it was like I was being taught. I had
the opening in these three days and everything opened. And then I went to school, I went to class,
you know, to learn all these things. And what I saw was that there was three different civilizations
of Atlantis. And this was important to understand the development of the human being, how the chakras
were developed because the different chakras has a different kind of telepathic vibration
to use in different kind of healing techniques, different kind of ways to communicate with the
cosmos, if it makes sense. So far so good. So as I saw, there's three different stages of Atlantis.
There was one long time ago where the soul started to take a physical form, a physical form, and that
was like what we call, I don't know what the English word for that is, it's not instincts,
it's like you know the self-preservation what you call it you know the when the animals also you
know they produce again and again you it's a little bit like instincts i don't know the english word
actually that's a good word i mean okay the soul started to take a physical form in other words
souls prior to that were existing as souls without a physical form but they wanted to incarnate
embody in order to be able to function in a more material realm yes and the first thing that kind
kind of got evolved was this kind of instincts, you know, the instincts.
So it was like this, as I saw it, it was like this plasmic thing, you know,
from being an ether into this plasmic before it manifested into the physical.
And the first thing that got involved was the consciousness of the instincts in
that physical being.
So I saw that to like understand how the instincts work,
because I got shown this for understanding how important the instincts are to
follow today, what to follow, what not to follow. It's like a compass.
if we should use the term that the soul is out in the cosmos,
is out in the ether,
and is communicating down to the body to say,
you have to go this way to come home,
because right now you're trapped, you're lost,
you have to go this way.
There's part of the instincts
that helps you follow that way.
We're very disconnected from the instincts today
because of the way we live.
- Intuition is another good word here.
- Yeah, but I don't use that word for this
for another reason, because we come into that.
I see it like there's different kinds of ways of telepathy,
like I said. So the instincts is associated with the solar plexus chakra when we talk
about chakras. So I saw this to understand, okay, if I start to understand the consciousness
of my solar plexus chakra, I can start to follow the instincts that something from the
cosmos is showing me to go that way. And that's what I do today. It's also what you can call
spontaneously living, right? It's not like I jump out of the cliff if I feel like my
instinct tells me that, and it's not like, it's not like that, but there's a very
delicate part of the instincts that actually show you the way back.
And I say way back because I believe that today we are just confused,
but we already know everything.
We just need to realize it again.
So that's why I say it's like a way back and like a remember, but at the
same time, cosmos always evolves.
So that's the paradox.
That was like the first civilization, but I saw like there was three different
kinds of civilizations of Atlantis.
The intention with what I share now is to understand that I saw that because I saw the development
of the human being with the different kind of energy forms and to use that to help people
find back.
So that's why when I sit and I talk about my sessions, talking about that past life,
that's very conditioned because many things happen like I don't speak with the person
about where I sit and have telepathic communication with the energy system and the chakras to
start to awaken this.
I'm not entirely clear on the last point you made, but keep going keep explaining
When I do sessions with people I said for the human being I talk about the past life with the trauma
With the identification with these karmic blockages, but at the same time that I sit and speak with that
I use a telepathic connection to talk with the energy system
You know the being the different chakras because I believe that all the chakras in the person as I see it
They have their own kind of vibration. So you're picking up on two sources of knowledge
One is you're tuning into some past lives, and the other is you're tuning into maybe their subtle
body, the different energy centers in the body which they might not even be aware of. And then
another thing I've heard people say is that the dweller in the body, anybody's body, is actually
just a tiny subset of the total soul, and that our full potential as a soul couldn't possibly even be
contained in this body, which reminds me of that line from Star Wars where Obi-Wan Kenobi said to
Darth Vader, if you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly
imagine. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you're sort of tuning into this
sort of higher soul or higher self or larger reality of what the person is than they themselves
realize.
Yes. And I believe myself. That's why the sessions has these beautiful miracles happening
sometimes like this woman I share with you. She just broke down completely and said, I
You spent 40 years trying to go to psychotherapy,
trying to go this, and you spend one hour
and you healed me, what did you do?
And I was like, I didn't do anything.
It was something in you that opened.
I cannot force an opening, I can just invite it.
But if the person is ready, it happens.
So it's like, I didn't do it.
It's not me, it's actually you who did it.
That's very important for me to remember
and also like always share that I'm not doing anything.
I'm inviting something,
but it's only when the person is ready.
- You're a catalyst.
- Yeah.
how a catalyst works, it sort of facilitates the chemical reaction without
interfering with it or something. It just enables it to happen in a way that it
otherwise wouldn't. Exactly, this is how I use telepathy. I use it for the cosmic
consciousness and the cosmic being the subtle body to open. But people get
freaked out. I see people, they are afraid to like come close to me because they
feel like, "Oh, he's reading my mind." "He's gonna hear all my dirty thoughts."
Exactly, sometimes it's like when I've been out traveling and do workshops and some from
the workshops they come to introduce their kid to me and then like the mother says and
this guy he's the one doing telepathy like the kid is standing behind the mother saying
I don't want him to read my mind.
People can do that kind of thing.
I was seeing Amma one time, you know Amma the so-called hugging saint and I was sitting
with a friend about 30 feet away from her off to one side and she was sitting on the
couch doing her thing and music's playing and she's hugging all these people and everything
and I started telling this friend something I really shouldn't have started to tell him and
she just turned and stared at me like cut it out you know and I said okay and I just stopped telling
the guy. But that's actually if we can go a little into that because now when we talked about instincts
and we talked about intuition where I said for me intuition is a little bit different than the
instincts because one of my practices so to speak is that I believe that telepathy is a kind of
cosmic being. It's like a consciousness that connects two consciousnesses, a soul and a human
and a human and a soul. There is a consciousness that connects all these kind of things like a web
that makes us able to relate to each other and communicate not only physically and like with
with using the voice, but also emotionally and thinking and intuitively.
For example, when I devote myself, I'm like the same way as St.
Francis said, "Lord, make me an instrument of thy peace."
I devote myself to that consciousness to say, "I don't know what I need to do.
You know, and I just follow that."
I'm not reading people's mind, but very often what I say, people say, "Oh my
God, I thought about that."
And they say, "You read my mind."
I said, "No, I don't."
This is intuitive telepathy for me, because intuition is between two souls when they relate
towards each other.
I don't know what's happening up here in the souls level.
I'm in the physical, but if I connect to this, I'm in the cosmic flow.
So what those people might think about, I can also think about, but it's not necessarily
that I know they think about this.
For me, that's like working with intuition, if it makes sense.
It's following the cosmic flow.
That is not my intuition.
It happens through me and I'm just following it.
It reminds me of trees.
I have this book, I think it's called The Wisdom of Trees, that Pamela Wilson sent me.
She's been on Bat Cap a couple of times.
There's this whole thing about how, I think it's called the mycelium or something.
There's this whole network of fungi or something that's under the ground.
It's like the internet for trees.
And all this information gets passed through it.
And like if there's some kind of infestation of some beetles or something that are going
to hurt the trees, the word spreads around the forest and the trees can maybe develop some
kind of chemical to repel the beetles or something.
Or if there's a drought or all kinds of other things like that, but they actually have this
network of communication.
And so we do too, in terms of the collective consciousness, as Jung put it, Carl Jung,
or some deep level at which we're actually all the same person, and therefore telepathy
is probably mediated through that deep underlying field.
Yeah, exactly. Many spiritual teachers, they also say, your thoughts is not yours.
It just happened through you, but we somehow intend to personalize it. And the more we personalize it,
the further away we come from telepathy, because we're not connected to that. We go into our own
little bubble. So that also means like when I go like a process myself, when there's like a trauma,
a grief or something, and I know that I identify even more now with like the thoughts and the
the personality and all these kind of things, I have to close for that because I don't know if
it's the cosmic flow that comes through me. It's probably my own kind of things I have to
cleanse out again and purify again. It's that part where the thoughts that come to you is a cosmic
flow but the more we identify with it the further away we come from being with that flow somehow.
The thoughts still come, that's what I realized, the thoughts still come but if you don't identify
with them you can actually use them for a way better purpose, you don't have to figure stuff out.
It's another way of putting it, if the wave realizes that it's really the ocean and it's
actually essentially one with all the other waves, even though they appear different on
the surface, then I'm not sure what the utility of that would be, but at least it's a more
realistic vision of what's going on instead of the wave thinking, "Okay, I'm this isolated
wave and I'm completely separate from that wave over there and that wave over there."
They're not, and it's not the reality.
No, exactly.
And that's actually why for me, when I go through a process and I feel like I'm being tested
and like losing faith and all these kinds of things, it's actually like going back to this
connection with the telepathic cosmic consciousness to feel like I'm going back to the flow because
then I'm not trying to figure stuff out by myself because the more I do that, the more
I separate and believe I'm just the wave.
Not just the wave.
So I'm trying to get back to that sometimes.
I've realized I don't need to figure stuff out about traumas and I don't need to figure
stuff.
figure anything out. I just need to let that flow happen because it purifies itself. And
that's pretty beautiful, actually.
Are you aware of the work of Rupert Sheldrake?
No.
He's been on Batgap. He's this British scientist who has been studying what he calls morphogenetic
fields and how there's different fields actually for different species and for kind of more
universal field for everything and things like that. And he gives examples of how certain
ideas will crop up independently to different people. For instance, Sir Isaac Newton developed
calculus but some other guy developed calculus at the same time without collaborating with
Newton and there have been other things like that. And then he wrote a book called Dogs
That Know When Their Owners Are Coming Home. He actually studied this very carefully where
the owner would do something very unpredictable or take a taxi and then they observe the dog
and the dog would be like waiting at the door.
It would get up and go as soon as the owner was intending to come home.
And Amy and our dog, if we even think that we maybe should take a walk,
the dog will come running down the hall.
Right.
You have to be aware of what you're thinking, because if you just think about it,
you're not doing it, you're going to disappoint your dog.
Right.
Exactly.
In fact, Irene gets upset with me if I even say the word walk or give any kind of
hint because then if we're not going to actually do it, the dog will be very disappointed.
We have a very psychic dog, he'd like it.
Yeah.
And they are great teachers.
My dog was also very psychic.
He was the one that really taught me about telepathy from one being to another because
what I was thinking, he picked up immediately, no matter what it was, you know, I feel I
really have to be aware of what I'm thinking because I don't want to hurt him, you know,
and I don't want to like point him and such.
So that was like a great descent teacher, I could say.
And he knows how to spell too, like he's afraid of flies because I think he's afraid of the
fly swatter because we get it out to swat the fly.
So then we started spelling it, F-L-Y, but then he picked up on that.
We can't even say F-L-Y anymore.
So now we call him Hank.
Hey, Hank's in the house.
Exactly.
The beauty of this is that there's so much to learn from animals.
There's so much to learn from animals because they don't have that idea of like the personality,
the ego I want to call it now.
I know there's many animal therapists and also other telepathy people out there who says that
they have an ego. I don't believe so because I don't see an animal that says I am sad.
Sadness just happens in them. They don't say I am happy. Happiness just happens in them.
So for me, there is not an I that identify with it. It just happens. That's the flow.
And when you are in that flow, you pick the impressions of others also, right? Because
we all have that kind of emotional body. We all have the subtle body, the aura field,
that radiates out what we think and what we feel. And it's like a radio station and they're just so
open that, for example, when you say "F-L-I" you think about the fly, which means that that
impression goes straight in. Doesn't matter what you say, they pick that up because what you sense,
what you think here and feel, they pick it up and they learn the words to put it into that. So that's
it's a beautiful example. It's funny you brought up the radio station because I was just thinking
that as a good analogy for what you've been describing, which is that the radio doesn't
create the music. The radio is just a medium or an interface with the electromagnetic field,
which other radios can also access and express the same music or different music if they're
on a different frequency. So I think what you were saying in the last few minutes is
that your ability to do this stuff is not your ability, it's more like you're just
an instrument again lord make me an instrument of thy peace you're just an instrument for this and
with that orientation you know you have the right intentions and motivations and if you
began to appropriate it like oh i'm special then you'd get in trouble yes exactly because like i
see it it's not special to be telepathic like i said we all have it your consciousness i'm a
consciousness, that that connects us is the telepathic bond, which means that I'm not special
because I pick up on it, we all pick up on it. I've just focused on maybe learning to feel it
even more, but we all pick up on it all the time. All the time we pick up the telepathic impressions.
You can see how there could be civilizations, perhaps have been, in which people don't need
to talk out loud because they're just so tuned in, like a couple who's been married for so many
years they can sort of pick up on each other's thoughts or whatever but even more developed.
You might imagine there are species who don't even have vocal cords you know because they're
so good at telepathy is the way they function. Yeah exactly and I believe there is both out in
space that there's many many species that don't need voice because they are so profound in this
they don't need to talk they just they're just in communication with each other and I also believe
there are also beings on this earth that does the same. Look at the way that some birds,
they're dancing with each other in these big groups, right? Oh, the starlings, it's called
the murmuration of starlings, where thousands of them just all move in synchrony. And scientists
actually don't know quite how they do that. Exactly. That's what I call telepathy.
We were talking earlier about Atlantis and things like that, whether it's a myth and so on. Recently,
a friend was telling me about Joseph Campbell's The Power of Myth series, which I had known about,
but I've never actually sat down and watched it. But I want to do that. I want to make a point to
watch it. He was a friend of George Lucas, actually, and was a lot of inspiration for
the Star Wars series. In a way, it almost doesn't matter whether something really happened or
whether it's just a myth, because it can have the same value for the society either way.
Yeah, exactly. When I began to get this from Atlantis, I felt like if people don't believe me,
I took it very personal in the beginning, but I learned within a couple of years.
Because I knew with myself, you know, it doesn't really matter if it's like,
if it happened or not happen. It's like the message that comes with it. It's like,
that's important because the message that comes with it is something we need to use today.
It doesn't really matter if it happened or not. And honestly, there's too much curiosity
That dwells upon the past in ancient civilizations. I understand because it's also like finding back to being more in flow and such
But like you said it doesn't always serve the best to dwell too much in the past or the future
exactly
I believe that's the separation. It's like the full separation we have of like being with the one beloved
That's what I call the the cosmos and what people call god also in these kind of things. I believe that separation the more we
Understand them all we realize because it's easy to sit mentally and say well the past doesn't exist in the future doesn't exist, right?
But fully experience it. That's another thing but first for that we need to drop the seeking of these two things
The personality really wants to hold on to it
Which is not to say we can't learn from the past
Someone said those who forget the pastor or don't learn from from history are doomed to repeat it
Obviously we can learn what is a good thing to do and what's not a good thing to do based upon what past people have done
So I don't think that's what you're saying, right?
No, no, no, no, no
I mean more in the way of what I felt in the past or you know
Like sometimes we hold on to the past too much. That's what I mean
I want to reflect upon the unconscious patterns to enlighten them into consciousness
like if we lament over
our childhood and what our parents did and that kind of thing and just keep obsessing about that when we're 50 or 60 years old.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's what I mean. I've seen that also with with many people they go to
breathwork every week and they go to every ayahuasca
10 times a year to heal the same trauma
They hold on to that past so much that they kind of feed it again
They feed the same trauma by trying to heal it
Because you put your attention on it and that to which you put your attention grows stronger in your life
Yeah, exactly. So that's what I mean, because I totally believe and I do that with myself
all the time. I reflect upon the past to see unconscious patterns. And I also reflect upon
the things that I see and with that we can learn from history and we can learn from all
these things. So I believe that's important, but it's like embodied into this moment.
Okay, so dwelling on past situations only reinforces them and is not really the best
way of resolving such traumas, what is the best way or most efficient way? Let's say you go to
a psychotherapist or something and you're talking about all your childhood issues and things like
that and you go on for years like that lady said she's been the therapist for years and never gotten
anywhere and perhaps actually reinforced stuff. If that's really an inefficient way of going about it
what is a... Some thoughts and I see that that's one of the things that I use in my workshops also
Where do you carry them?
They do lodge in our systems
Of course, I also believe that the trauma and like the energy I see that also like the energy is inside the body
There is like an energy. So of course it can help to do some kind of work for that
but one of the things that I think I want to
Say is that for me there's a difference between emotions and feelings and thoughts and I see that that's one of the things that I
use in my workshops also
Where emotions is like the wave it comes like waves where thoughts and feelings they're like the energy pattern is like a circle
So what I used to say is like you're running the hamster wheel
So the more you think about it the more you're just like running around and like you're just noticing that the same thing
and what I realized with myself was
Let me say this way. I realized how many incarnations i've had which means that we all have that this little incarnation
We have right now. It's just like a blink of an eye, right?
And it's over. Right. And then we have a new one. How important is this incarnation? It's not that
important. That's what I realized. So why would I spend time on dwelling with something where it
will already be somehow forgotten in the next one? Then I know, okay, then we have the next one. And
that's why I say I work with 10 past lives. It's just 10 blink of an eye. It's not that much from
the perspective where I see it. So why would I spend so much time trying to figure it out? Instead,
I see myself as a soul having an experience like an experiment also. So instead of trying to figure
out the content of the trauma for example, I'm more interested in the mechanics of the mind.
I'm starting like oh now I'm going this way there's like part of my personality that goes
this way, part of it that goes this way and every time I do this I actually go into the faith to the
the divine, whenever it's ready to be taken, just take it. I know it's very easy to say this way,
and of course for every situation it is a little bit different, but that's like the main practice
to say for me. I'm not trying to figure it out with the mind because then I'm nourishing it.
I am looking into it and I'm feeling it and through the feeling I'm finding into the place
where I feel I'm ready to give it over. And if I'm not ready to give it over, it's fine. We cannot
like rip it off, right? It's like if we would rip off like the mold of the snake before the mold was
ready. It happens when it happens, that's my faith. When it's ready, it will drop.
Yeah, well, it's funny you said that it's easy for you to say, you said something like that,
because you said something like, it's easy for me to say, or maybe I was just thinking that,
but there's a difference between a description and a prescription. So, you can describe how you
operate, how you function, but then if you're going to be a teacher of some kind, then how do you
empower or enable other people to achieve the same perspective. Maybe they need meditation,
maybe they need some techniques, maybe they need this, that, or the other thing. They can't just
copy your way of thinking without being in your state of consciousness. Yeah, this is why my work
will go more and more over to have more students which I can initiate in my cosmic consciousness,
the opening I have. How can you initiate them? How can you impart it or convey it?
It's a way of being part of their daily life, you know, with the things they go through.
I see the human body as a filter. A student comes to me and then that student, it's like an
apprenticeship. It's not like you take a course in one week and then you're initiated or something.
It's like I'm part of the flow of your life and through that we see what kind of test that the
customers and the universe puts into you to see how can this situation help you
purify your filter even more. Because the more purified the filter is, the more I
have experienced myself that what doesn't serve you anymore that way it
will drop when it drops. Because like I see even every feeling is its own
intelligence and that intelligence what I have discovered is that even that
feeling it doesn't want to hold on. It's not like it wants to hold on. I'm not
talking about the thought now, I'm talking about the emotional trauma that happened,
that has his own intelligence. I believe everything has its own intelligence. The
stone has its own intelligence, the water of course, the water we have scientific
proof of that today, but I also believe that the feelings have, because that's
what I see, that's what I feel, that's what I work with. I don't see that even
the feelings wants to feel stuck there, you know. I believe that everything is
always seeking towards freedom, towards liberation, so it's like corroborating
with that. Of course it's about giving love to everything and that sounds very
easy and like cliche but it's more about helping people to opening up for
themselves to that which they need to open up to through cosmos so they can be
a filter because then things being taken when it doesn't serve them anymore
because often these traumas is also what locks us to not being fully open to
these kind of abilities because if we use it from a traumatic point of view we
We don't know if we're serving illusions or we're serving the truth.
Yeah, your statement, "the feeling has its own intelligence," some people have experienced
that they actually are possessed in a way by things, and they don't realize it until
the thing comes out or releases, and then they actually realize that there was some
kind of entity that was occupying, at least in part, their makeup.
And there might be many entities, and they have to be purified or purged.
So that's one way of looking at it.
can be looked at in other ways like just neurophysiological or something. Like in the Bible, you think
about Jesus releasing or casting out demons, and the demons are clinging, holding on, but
ultimately you get the impression they're happy to be cast out because it was a miserable
existence being a demon, tormenting or occupying somebody.
This is a big question. And for that, we need to go deeper into the entire game of the darkness.
can go that way. I would love to go that way. Yeah, let's get into it.
For me, I try to separate it between darkness and evilness. I try to
conceptualize it this way for like the mind to understand it better. Where I see
darkness as lower entities of a lower consciousness that doesn't know better.
Right. So for example, when these kind of entities like this feeling it comes into
you, they often come through the astral plane because the astral plane is where
the feelings get manifested. So through our astral body these feelings they pop in and we in the mind
we start to identify with. This is why astral travel is like we need to be careful what we are
doing and that's also why we need to be careful with the planners and what we're doing because
we don't know what we open up to and we get stuff down and even we feel good right after you don't
know what's going to happen in next life because you put something in. I'm harsh with that because
I've seen so much of this and it breaks my heart that people don't know what they're doing actually.
but this kind of things is like the lower conscious entities they are still like serving the light
if we should use that concept they just don't know better if one conscious being is here and another
one is up here this conscious being cannot see that one up here because if you could see it it
will be up here that feeling feeds of what it knows if that feeling feeds of jealousy if it feeds of
anger or something because that's what it knows it just needs to preserve itself the same way as we
need. We need food, we need love, we need this and this and whatever we need. That's where we are.
That feeling only know one thing to feed off and that's what it's activate in us. But that doesn't
mean it serves the bad in us. Sometimes they don't even want to be there. They just like they have to
exist, they have to feed itself, nourish itself. Because when it actually does this, like the next
step for it might be another feeling that might be a little bit more high vibrant or whatever we
should call it, and suddenly it evolves. So I don't see that darkness as being bad, I just see it as
a lower consciousness that needs to be enlightened. They're trapped in the role, it's kind of like,
I'm reminded of again, I keep thinking of Star Wars today for some reason, but when Darth Vader
finally got killed, he finally broke free of his Darth Vader role and realized his original
consciousness and was grateful for being liberated that way.
Exactly. And this is why I think I can share this now. I haven't shared it before, but
I've also done something that would look like exorcism in today's society, but I would not
call it exorcism because people they judge it to understand like it's the devil and people feel so
bad about it. Well, that's not how I see it. I see a feeling that completely corrupts the person
in the moment. Sometimes I can use like a telepathic connection. I'm not that skilled
that I can do it every time. That will be amazing but I'm not that skilled and I'm not sure it's my
path either. Sometimes when I can pick up that frequency I can communicate with it and then it
pops up and what I realize is often when it pops up that the person sometimes they sleep, sometimes
they can't even remember, sometimes they can't remember. It's very different compared to where
they are themselves but it comes up because it also wants to be set free. So it's actually like
a corporation. So that's why I can of course not call it like exorcism, but it's a little bit the
same because something like an entity leaves the body and it doesn't feel good in the moment. It
doesn't. It does feel good afterwards. Yeah, afterwards. Yeah. I mean, can that be dangerous
for you locking horns with these entities? Not this one. This is very common because they don't
have any bad intention. When we talk about evilness, it's different. Then I need to be
way more aware. Because evilness is that which is conscious, but just choose it in another way.
When you think about it, anything that's negative or evil, any person, any being which is playing a negative role,
it's not their ultimate destiny. And therefore, it's not ultimately what they really want to be doing.
They're just in it at that time. And as Jesus said, "Forgive them, Father, they know not what they do."
You wouldn't want to be one of the guys nailing him to the cross, or you wouldn't want to be a guard in a Nazi death camp.
but people have gotten stuck in these dark destinies, dark roles, and ultimately everyone
needs to be liberated from all such things and rise to their full height of possibility.
Yeah, and that's exactly where something like traumas and these kind of wounds can really,
they can really call upon bad energy that sucks the life out of you, if I should use that dramatic
phrase, but that's what I see sometimes. But at the same time, we should not judge what is evil,
because let's be honest, most of us have had troubles in our life where we have an argument
with someone, maybe an ex-lover or a friend and it never really got healed. So that person might
see you now as someone that was manipulative or narcissistic or something and you maybe see that
person as the same. Who's right in this? There's two different perceptions seeing the same kind
of reality in the middle. Who's right? So we can never know what actually is like, what is evilness.
Look at what happened with Jesus people thought he was evil. You have seen that with many masters afterwards. Many have been executed
Change of topic
We've talked about cognizing the past and you cognizing past lives and all that stuff
Do you ever have future visions feelings for what might be happening in the next?
Several decades or whatever. Yeah, but I have a lot of those but i'm very careful with saying it because I know that the future
is always in movement. So I'm not one of those who use it to like talk about futures. I don't believe
so. It's very, very rare that I do that because if I say something, people might cling to it and I
don't want that because then they cling to something that I could see wrong or maybe it just changed
because something happened and the future changed. So I'm very cautious with talking about that. But
yeah, I have divisions and I have many of them. A lot of people seem to feel and actually a lot
of ancient traditions have said that we might be heading into some very dark times, difficult
times, a lot of people might die, you know, whether it's climate change or plagues or whatever, but that
if we get through all that, it'll be a very bright future, some kind of age of enlightenment or
something. Does that concur in general with your vision? Yeah, it actually does. And it began
when I had that opening, I said, "Oh my God, this world is like going a very dark place now.
It's like, it's not going to be easier right now.
And I felt so hopeless until I realized we just have to dive very deep so we can come
up on the other side.
And that's why I don't resonate with all these kinds of challenges that says that some galactic
federation will come and save us in three months from now or something.
We have to dive deep.
And honestly, somehow the deeper we go, the more we can also grow the other way, right?
It's like the native, they speak about the tree, the deeper the roots are, the taller
the tree can be.
Their mysticism they also talk about, you know, the deeper you go in your unconsciousness the more the consciousness can grow
It's like different concepts, but it's the same truth
They talk about and I see the same like we are going a very very tough place, but I believe it's for the better good
but right now it's
tender in the heart and being humble and
You know, my feeling is that the more
Spirituality can be infused into the collective consciousness the less difficult it will have to be. Yeah, I agree
I agree and right now we just see that the spirituality just bursted up and especially in the hippie times right where
We work from the suppression and then suddenly this beautiful kind of love and peace and all this harmony started to come
and now there's like this pattern of this commercialized spirituality where it's not so much about
actually
Meeting yourself. It's more about feeding the personality in some ways
But again, if you see from a higher perspective, which I always try to do, I just see it's like,
it's just a phase. Yeah, it's just a phase and it just has to happen because the spiritual
entity, if we could say it that way, it's not the best way to say it, but
it also has to evolve down here with all the human beings and we have to integrate and process it. And
of course, the ego needs to take a little ride with that also and feel good and special clothes
and all the malice and being the best, and all these kind of things, right?
This question may be outside your expertise, but it relates to what we're talking about.
Do you feel that there have to be cycles? And obviously there are cycles, so maybe there have
to be, but very often after a big war, everything gets better again, like, you know, the World War II,
and now Germany and Japan are close allies. It was a horrible thing to have gone through, but
now those countries are not apparently inclined to behave that way anymore. Do you have any
thoughts about that perspective? Yeah, I think I actually want to, I want to bring it back to
ancient civilizations again just a little bit, because one of the things that I see is that when
a group of conscious people reach a very high enlightened state, it cannot stay like that.
It has to drop again. We saw that with Atlantis this way, but I also saw it like there was one
One of these openings I had was, again, we can call it a story, whatever, it's not important,
it's more like what's behind it.
I saw this temple way back in the time in the East where they used the sexuality through
the tantric in a very pure and beautiful way where it actually liberated a lot of souls
and enlightened a lot of souls.
But suddenly, you know, it's like every peak when there's like a very strong light, at
one point the darkness comes and goes over the light again.
Sometimes those things happen.
I see like everything is a cycle, you know, and it's the same with religion.
As I see it, when someone experienced the divine God, whatever we want to call it,
that's not something you mentally just are capable of understanding.
It's like an experience.
So it's like, you see the snake, you see if the snake should be the symbol of God,
for example, let's use that term.
Then you have a prophet, you have Jesus, you have the saint or something
that experienced that snake.
And then suddenly that snake goes out to spread that to other beings for them to experience the snake themselves
But when the body of that saint drops then what you have left is the mold
So then somehow the followers of that saint they don't have the snake to experience
They have the mold to experience of the snake which is not the full experience and suddenly this starts to roll
And then new illusion starts to come and this is also how I see how the world is today
Also because it's like a polarity, right? This entire universe is polarity.
And when something really good happens, something really bad also has to happen.
It's like the joy and the sadness is only for the mind to judge whether it's good or bad,
but both things happen. So that's also the same, for example, when I have had past lovers or I've
had past friends or something, where they started to put me on the pedestal and said, "Please take
me off it. Please take me off it because I know if you put me up here, at one point you have to
put me down here. It's like the polarity of life. Maybe not in this life, but then in another
lifetime. And I don't want that. So please just put me off it. This metaphor of the snake you
just used, I think you're referring to the loss and revival of knowledge. You know how a saint
comes and there's a huge surge of enlightenment and then he dies and then next thing you know,
after a couple of centuries, people are being persecuted, you know, in the name of that
teaching or it's just gotten totally warped and distorted. So it's kind of like knowledge
crumbles on the hard rocks of ignorance. And it happens to whole societies as well as religious
or spiritual revivals. It just keeps going in cycles. But perhaps growth is accomplished
through cycles. You can't just have, like you're saying, you can't just have the positive all the
time. No, exactly. Going back to the myth of Icarus, it's like trying to go to the sun and
the wings is melting off. We need the cycles. We see that in the seasons also, right? Most places,
at least. We need both and that's very important, I believe so. I know the further I come out to feel
the beautiful divine things that I cannot even explain by words. There's a lot of things I
cannot explain but I know when these things have happened to me, I just know okay there's a cycle
now where I have to go as deep low and I need to not judge that and just like embrace that.
It can be very hard sometimes but I believe so 100%. I believe the other thing is a bypass for sure.
>> Shadow work. A couple of questions came in. Here's one from Natalie Butler in London. She said,
"I have been told twice that this is my first human life and that there are a few others here
from the same place as me. I wonder where I would normally reside or incarnate."
>> So what's the question?
>> I guess she's wondering if this is her first human life,
where has she been for her other ones? Was she an animal? Was she on another planet?
that kind of thing. Of course. Irene says how would he know? Of course I'm not gonna go
into the individual if that's okay because that takes too much. I rather
want to like focus on like the flow of the conversation. Yeah the principle of
it. Yeah of course I also see that new souls comes down but I also have to
admit that it's not many souls that comes down in this time. What we could
also call the Kali Yuga. Many of the souls came before that because it can be
very overwhelming to come down in the middle of that like a soul and take form and not have the
experiences before but those experiences can also come from there's many different layers of this
but let me just say that i don't see it like you have been an animal the last time because
it's another kind of soul they have at the end it's the same soul i know but animals they have
soul groups where they drop down in a group where there's a bigger soul and that soul has maybe
hundred drops, which is the animal, they have a totally different game.
Like those birds we were talking about, they could in a sense be one big soul.
Yes, exactly.
Or a school of fish or something like that.
Perfect example. And therefore, I see it as a lie. I see it as a big lie that they say out there that
your grandfather can be the bee or the worm. But I also have to say, I also understand why it's
being said, because it creates humbleness to the people to think about what they do with the
animals. So I get the game, but from my cosmic point of view, I don't see it as... Of course,
it's possible. It happens that you can incarnate, but it's not something that really happens.
Yeah. Well, I mean, if every worm eventually became a human, we'd have a math problem. I mean,
there are probably thousands of worms in our yard, but there's only two humans on this property.
And that's true of the whole earth. And, you know, if you count all the mosquitoes and the
butterflies and everything else, there would have to be some kind of conglomeration. If those things
have individual souls, they'd have to somehow conglomerate to join together in a mass to form
the soul of a higher being, because the higher beings just aren't as numerous as the insects and
whatnot and the fish. Yes, exactly. And it's important to remember that there is difference.
All souls, they have their own experience. And it's not only the human experience that
actually is very beneficial. All experiences on earth is very beneficial. And that's also why we
should be humble to all beings because there's something to learn from all because they all
have a specific soul that comes with a certain kind of delicate wisdom. So yeah of course it's
possible that it's her first lifetime. I don't really see it that often, not before the Kali
yoga at least, because many souls... we need some time before that. If you meet these kind of souls
it could be people with very heavy autism or something you know where all the different
worlds is very open and the senses is very it's very hard to be in a physical body.
Because they haven't had much practice at it.
Yeah exactly normally it's possible but I also have to say again I'm not going to talk about
this personalized question so I'm not saying if it happened for her or so but there's also many
psychics out there who's saying this to people I've had many many people saying it's their first
lifetime. The psychics have told them that? Yeah as life readers saying well this is your first
lifetime. How would they know really? Yeah exactly. You cannot say that because maybe you could just
not see them. You're saying that it's like the Cleopatra thing. Only one person was probably
Cleopatra and probably people having been born for the very first time as a human it's kind of
a rare thing you're saying. Not as common as psychics would have you believe. Yeah but I see
many people who believe it's their first incarnation. Especially they hear from someone because many
past lives people say it out there but you can also feel it yourself. There is something for that to
dive into because that can also be a karmic pattern that creates an illusion from your past to look
into and that can be very very interesting to look into because you can open up to a new kind of
value from your soul that has been blocked because of a pattern that tells you well this is my first
because there's something you might not see which if you go in and look at it you can open up to
beautiful yourself. You say you've remembered a lot of your own past lives. If you had to apply
percentages, what percent were human? What percent were on some other star system or whatever? Can
you actually answer a question like that? No. Okay. When I had the opening, many of the past
lives came to me. Those I know today, I have not been curious about the rest. Because I know if
something comes to me, it's because I need it and if I don't need it, it's the best.
It won't come. So I haven't dived into it. It's not my priority.
Okay, it's a hostess Twinkie.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay, let's do another question here. This one is from Rita Sponenberg from Pennsylvania.
A lot of this conversation is reminding me of the interview with David Spangler from years ago.
David Spangler was one of the founders of the Fyndhorn place up in Scotland,
who had all kinds of subtle perception of fairies and elves and subtle beings.
The negative entities just needing to survive, he used the analogy of the sewage in his lake,
the trees, when he was whacking the ferns and picking up on their reactions.
So basically this is a guy, and I've interviewed a number of such people, who was from an early age
able to have subtle perception and see all kinds of things that people don't ordinarily see.
and it's been the nature of his whole life and that's why he was instrumental in the
finhorn community. I don't know if you have any comments on what you just said.
Nothing really pops up to me. Well it's interesting about whacking ferns. Do you find it difficult to
navigate life sometimes because you kind of feel the pain of you know you don't want to step on a
bug on the sidewalk? Yeah, I think I can very easily say that when I open up to other beings this way,
I stopped eating anything from animal because I could not deal with that pain. It was not possible
for me to be without pain anymore. I actually stopped with the meat before that, but I could
not eat anything from it because it was too painful and I needed to figure out like what's
up with the plants? How's the spirit working with this? And it took me a while to realize that
the plants, they are also here to serve us in some ways. Right now we are not in the place of that,
but if there's one thing I could share about how I look at the future, because I'm pretty sure about
this one, is that we come to a place of consciousness where we don't have to take a whole thing to kill
it. We don't have to take a carrot or something, where we take the entire being, but maybe we pick
oranges from an orange tree where the tree still lives, so to speak. You're saying our food sources
would be like fruit and things that don't kill the whole plant when we take some food from it.
Yeah, but we're not there yet. So as I see it, we came to a place, again, my truth,
if people don't resonate with it, take it or leave it. But I saw that the consciousness,
there was like a new kind of opening in the consciousness that happened around the 1800,
where we learned not to need to kill animals. Before that, maybe we needed it to survive and
and such, but we came to a place where we didn't need it anymore.
And therefore it's not supposed to happen anymore the same way, but we're not in a
place now where we can drop all the vegetables so we can still eat carrots and
such, but it's like we take it in steps.
So to speak.
That's how I see it.
It comes in steps.
And as I see one of the last steps we can talk about the last step might be just
like breathing air or just like catching sunlight.
Right.
But before that, by still eating, I see it like we only borrow or so to speak.
We don't take like a full living being.
We only take that which still lives.
So we don't take a full being yet.
- Yeah, don't try living on sunlight just yet.
- No.
- Especially in Denmark in the winter.
- No, that would be a bad idea.
- And of course, even some meat eating civilizations
like the Native Americans were not wasteful
as I understand it.
And they were reverential when they had to kill a buffalo
or something for food.
They just killed what they needed.
And then the white men built railroads across the West
and they would stop the train and people just shoot Buffalo
from the train and then keep on going.
It was like supposed to be fun and that you know,
the Native Americans naturally thought we were insane
and they were right in that regard.
- Exactly.
And that's also like one of the things
that people often say to me,
well, what about the Native Americans
because they kind of killed animals.
And I'm saying, well, the Native Americans
in my perception had a very strong bond to Mother Earth
and to all the animals.
They probably know how to do it. I don't know it. So i'm not doing it. That's how I feel like
And i'll say they didn't do it for kicks, you know, they didn't do it for sport
No, exactly
It was a whole ritual and all these kind of things
I'm, not saying that there's not places where that's needed anymore
That's not up to me to decide but yeah, it's just like how I see that there's a consciousness
That happens where we kind of stop taking from others and also at one point we will also stop taking from plants
and only borrow to be in like full harmony, full balance.
>> Yeah. I mean, obviously there are realms of creation where this is already true. I don't
mean physical planets, but astral and celestial realms where, I'm speculating here and you can
see what you think, but where people don't need to eat physical stuff or kill anything
in order to survive. And maybe if you're on a gross planet like the earth, there always need
to be something of that nature in order to survive just because it's such a dense realm.
Yeah, exactly. I agree with you. It's the consciousness growing and evolving. I just
see that as we're going that way. We're getting closer and closer to that place where we don't
need to eat, but we're not there. Yeah, don't try to be a Bretonarian.
What are some other things that we could talk about that I haven't thought to ask you that
that you would like to talk about?
Oh, another question has come in.
Question three, Peter Falck from Italy.
What do you believe is your first responsibility
here on this planet?
- That's a great question.
I believe what I came to at least until now
is that the cosmic consciousness that I have opened up to
is something that needs to be conceptualized
in the same way as you see other people
with an opening where they create a concept
like you see with Rudolf Steiner
or you see with someone else.
It comes to me that my opening needs
to be conceptualized for the future.
- Meaning you have to build a structure
of knowledge about it?
You have to be able to explain it,
writing a book or something like that?
- My opening came in a way that I didn't know
what kind of words to use for all these kind of things.
I needed to study words to understand
what it is that I'm seeing and feeling
knowing out there to understand what kind of words can somehow describe it from a human to a human
so the mind can understand it. And I have fought this for a very long time because I try to stay
very humble in a way of why should I be someone that created this but I came very very recently
to knowing that the more I try to judge my path of not realizing that there is something that
that needs to come out of this, then I'm just putting myself in suffering.
Because it's not about me.
I have the opening to help people if I'm back.
That's my biggest responsibility in this lifetime.
Okay, so let me just elaborate on what you just said.
So you want to codify the knowledge or write it down or record it in some way that can be
conveyed to other people and thereby to enable them to benefit from it.
And I presume that even like Rudolph, that's what I basically do with the telepathy.
I have the Akasha where the knowledge come, but through the telepathy I...
Because we have a lot of those.
It'll be something that they can take into their lives and maybe practice in some way
that will bring about a transformation on a deeper level than mere intellectual understanding
could do.
Yeah, exactly.
It's somehow a bridge between the knowledge and experiencing it or embodying it, because
that's what I basically do with the telepathy.
I have the Akasha where the knowledge come, but through the telepathy I experience it and
I get to transform through that experience.
Exactly it's very good elaborated.
It's bringing the things together and somehow make that like a legacy.
I don't know exactly how to do it yet because it might require some help.
I have some students who is already working on it.
Because of course it's like what we talk about here is only a little surface of what it is
that it actually possesses.
it contains, I don't know what to call it.
Okay, so this knowledge, let's say, if you were to, let's say, write a book or a series
of books or something, would there be a lot in those books that isn't already in other
books that have been written throughout the ages?
No, because somehow everything, they speak about the same, just different words, right?
Nothing new under the sun.
Nothing new under the sun, and it will be the same here.
I just need to find a new concept for, you know, the truth that I found.
And I keep like diving deeper into like that experience that I have felt of that
divine presence, like the same as the saints and the prophet.
I'm not saying I'm a saint and prophet.
I don't mean it like that, but it's like that kind of opening I have.
I somehow need to conceptualize that for the mind to understand.
But it's not something that is special on the first time on earth or something.
It's like the same as you can find in many other books.
It's just maybe different wording and a different kind of setup with maybe experiences and practices
and knowledge and such.
I think that's really good.
I don't think that any spiritual teacher who ever walked the earth invented anything new.
And in fact, even before there were human beings on the earth, there were probably spiritual
teachers throughout the universe who were saying the same thing.
But there's a reason why people keep coming and having these insights, because it needs
only a new seed can yield a new crop.
needs a fresh infusion over and over and over again in every generation. I'm just putting
what you just said into my own words to make sure that I'm on the same page. You just feel
this calling to get it in writing and to systematize it perhaps so that as many people as possible
can benefit from it. Yes, that's the word. That was the word I was looking for. So thank
you for finding that I couldn't I couldn't find that one. That's exactly how I feel. And
And I feel like right now, I sensed two years ago that I will start to step more away from
being a healer and more being the teacher.
And it just came to me and I said, okay, I didn't know why actually, because I felt like
the healing was trying, it was about to go good and there was flow and I'm like, okay,
so now I have to go down.
I'm just like, I'm about to grow, but okay, it's start to go down again.
After I got that, the flow was not the same anymore.
But at the same time, I started to have the students and all these kinds of things.
And it opened to me that it's because it's this path I have to go.
I have to systemize something that people can follow.
And one of the visions that I have is to have this book or this series of books or something
that can help people, but also have this center or maybe a few centers in the world where
people come and they can retreat and they can go into learning more about this, like
a little community somehow.
Yeah, that's nice.
And you can do all that stuff.
You have plenty of time, you're only 29.
You're about 45 years younger than me or something like that.
So you have plenty of time to do all this stuff.
Of course you never know, we all might die tomorrow and that would be okay too in the
cosmic scheme of things.
Yeah, I'm inspired by what you're saying and what you're doing and I won't be around to
see all of it probably, but I think you're going to make a nice contribution to the world.
You already are.
The thing about being a healer versus what you're now feeling called to do is you can
only heal so many people.
Not that they don't need healing, but it's kind of limited.
If you can provide something that can reach a much larger number of people, then they
can heal themselves with that.
Exactly.
The big change for me, because I've known this for a long time, but I've kind of battled
because I was afraid if it was like a spiritual ego or something.
I walked around in India last time when I was in India here in the beginning of this year.
I was walking and suddenly there was this sadhu, this holy man that just stopped me and said,
"You're special, come here and sit with me."
And then he...
Give me a few rupees and I'll tell you how special you are.
Well, he didn't ask for rupees, but he just sat and he came and he said, "You have to
come back every day, every night because I need to tell you stuff."
Bottom line, the first thing he said to me was, "It's a crime the way that you use your
abilities.
crime, it's actually a crime the way that you don't take responsibility upon the opening you have.
I didn't say anything to him, he just said right now you're helping one-to-one person
and then he said he used himself an example and said when he began he went out to the jungle and
he meditated for two years and then afterwards people built a temple at that place in the jungle.
He used that symbol for me to understand that there is a legacy that has to happen,
It's not one-to-one sessions, right? When someone stopped me and just said that, I felt like,
"Okay, maybe it's time that I take it a little bit serious." That's interesting. And you never want
to lose the one-to-one feeling too, because, I don't know, it's a kind of a balancing act between
broad reach and never losing the personal feeling for individuals. I've seen teachers who have a
a huge following who have come to believe that individuals are dispensable, that ends justify
the means and it doesn't matter if this person is discarded or this person is used for their
money or for whatever. There just has to be that intimate personal love and compassion
as if the person were your partner, even though you might have thousands of people that you're
with.
I agree. And it's actually one of the reasons why when I feel, I feel for example that right
now I have to step way more into having students. Having students that can take
over the legacy and God do the healing and such but the thing is that I kind of
attach myself to my students because I get so involved in their life you know I
care about them so if they drop me I actually get hurt I'm not neutral in it
I'm not like okay then just a new one it's not how it is because there's like
an energetically exchange with my students which means I feel them and
And when that happens, of course, I also feel sad if they have to leave for something.
It will be easier in some ways to only focus on one-to-one sessions, but I'm still going
to have one-to-one sessions.
People can still reach out to me.
I'm still going to do it, but my focus just apparently has to go the other way.
That's something I have to prepare for.
Yeah, and it'll take a while.
We'll see what the extent of your range of influence is.
I mean, there's different people have different ranges.
And sometimes a real small gathering can actually be more impactful than a huge thing.
I mean, Ramana Maharshi just sat there on his couch with a few people staring at him and
it's a relatively small setup, but the impact he had is still rippling throughout the world.
Exactly.
And there are a couple of part of me that would love that because I'm not sure how it
will turn out for me if it would be like a huge, huge gathering, you know, with too many
people because I like to feel the pulse with people also.
how I work with it. I would also love to still have like a private life where I can grow
with like being a brotherhood and such. I'm not necessarily attached to it has to be something
bigger at all.
Right. Another thing that happens is that when it does become big, then all of a sudden
you have all these administrative hassles and monetary considerations, and beautiful
women coming at you, you kind of have a target on your chest. And a lot of spiritual teachers
who've had big organizations have fallen prey to that. They've gotten caught up in the money
and the women and all that stuff, even if they were monks who came out of India, especially
if they're monks who came out of India. So it's kind of like the bigger it gets, the
more challenging it becomes. I know Adyashanti, for instance, he recently retired from teaching
and somehow or other, it really took a toll on him. I don't think it was entirely a health
thing. He was experiencing a lot of pain and the pain was very traumatic and he ended up retiring
from it. You know there's always going to be temptations. Yeah. And you just always have to
be careful like you were saying in the very beginning of this conversation. You always have
to be self-scrutinizing and making sure that you're being true to yourself and true to the truth and
things like that. I actually feel like I've already been tested or like being trained towards this
because I have experience going out in the world and travel to do my workshops and feel like a huge
gathering already happened and you know the women they've become very interested in you and you can
see there's a lot of money in it so I've already learned from that moment not in the way of like
thousands and thousands right but still enough to see okay there is something here understand
the difference between following the path and just let these things come and go not come and go the
way of like, but it just happens. It's not something with you and you should not go into
it. It just happens. So I feel like I've already been trained some ways to this.
And you know, it's funny because you might have actually been a spiritual teacher in
past lives. You might remember some such lives. Do you remember such life? And how did it
go? Did you fall in some instances or get persecuted or all that stuff?
Yeah, the short version is that the first thing I saw was the past 700 years where I've basically
just been hunted down and executed.
Yeah, there you go.
And so that was pretty overwhelming to see.
But I also saw the one where I actually fall in myself and left my wife and two kids to
seek fame of spirituality.
And that's the one that taught me today because since I remember that one, I got the taste
of how it would feel to follow the fame or follow all these kinds of things.
you know, it doesn't taste good for me. It doesn't taste good for me. I remember how it was in that
lifetime. I don't want that. Well, maybe all that stuff made a strong enough impression that you
won't be tempted anymore. That's how it feels. That's how it feels at least, yes. Okay, so,
you know, we're just about up with our time, but I'd be happy to talk a few more minutes if there's
something you want to say. I think I want to share where I am right now in my life is
I'm opening up to take more students in to spend more time on that because I also feel like if I can contribute with
Helping people with this opening up can be more people can be helped out there. How are you going to do that?
They have to come to denmark. You're going to set up zoom calls or what? Yeah, they don't have to come to denmark
No, it's basically that we we figure out where they are in their life and how often we have to talk
There's teachings monthly. There is uh
guidance. We text and we are in communication every week and often doing like what's happening.
With a bunch of individual students.
Yes, it's a big work, but it's what I've been called to do, so that's what I'm going to do.
No questions asked. So I'm opening up to that. And at the same time, I'm also in a place right now
where while I'm doing that, before I systemize all this, which will be pretty big work, I'm very open
to come out in, you know, in the world and do workshops to help people enlighten these things
that I'm able to help with at least. So somebody listening to this, let's say they live in,
I won't say Pittsburgh because you've already done that, you know, Sedona or Boulder or any place,
London or Italy or whatever, they could get in touch with you and they could maybe set something
up and you would go there and do your thing. And I will do workshops and I will do healings
for sure. So because I'm in a place right now where I'm free and I'm capable of doing these things
And I just want to use that in a way of being more in service everywhere.
Where it's needed, I am open to talk with people about it if they feel a call for it.
So I'll be linking to your website. You do have a website now, don't you?
No, I don't. I changed it. And I'm not sure if I should have a new one yet,
because it's like...
You have to have a way of getting in touch with you. I could link to your Facebook page.
I could put your email address on your BatGap page if you want.
Yeah, the email address or otherwise right now I have just like I focused on my Instagram because there's too many places where people contact me and honestly
Some of it technologies were very weird with me. There's many emails that doesn't go through and when I had an email
There's many problems. So i'm trying to not have too many platforms. Yeah, okay
So we'll talk about that afterwards and i'll link to you. However you want
You know in 10 years from now, it might be a completely different thing
So if I'm still around, which I hope to be, I'll change it on your Batgap page.
And maybe we'll be doing another interview by then.
Yeah, we can talk about it, but I will.
Be interviewing Sri Sri Lucas G.
Yeah.
It'll be something.
Yeah.
I can easily create like a web page where people can reach me.
Yes.
All right.
So people who are listening to this can just look at your page on Batgap and whatever means
we determine for them to contact you, they will find there.
Yes.
Alrighty, well thanks Lucas. I've really enjoyed this. I've enjoyed getting to know you. I feel
like I said in the beginning, I already know you in a weird way. I have a feeling of affinity with
you, as I'm sure a lot of people do. We'll be in touch and look forward to seeing what you do with
your gift.
Thank you, Rick. It's been an honor for me also and a pleasure to be here with you because I
really resonate with your perception of life and spirituality and I believe it's very important
to meet those people so we can have this beautiful flow together and you know contribute to the
healing of everyone. It's been grateful for me too and I'm happy to be here and yeah thank you
for it. Thank you for the opportunity. Oh, you're most welcome. It's an opportunity for me also.