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Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump.

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My name is Rick Archer.

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My guest today is Philip Wade.

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Philip lives in the UK and he is kind of an ordinary guy who had a spiritual awakening

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and has become a spiritual teacher of some kind, although I don't know if he would define

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himself as that, but we'll see.

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He had been meditating for about 14 years when he experientially realized the nature of the

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the true self, which referred to itself as infinite silence.

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And before that, he was a chartered civil engineer and operating group director of a

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large business.

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In 2000, in response to dreaming about work on a skiing holiday, what were you doing dreaming

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about work on a skiing holiday?

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>>Rick: Yeah, I was just...

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>>Benjamin: Philip began meditation.

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Ultimately, this led him to leave his old world behind in 2009 at the height of his career

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to focus on a deep inner calling. So,

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Philip, why don't you take it from there,

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elaborate on what I just said, and

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continue on and tell us a little bit more

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about yourself. Yeah, sure. So, the skiing

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holiday thing is probably the point I

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most often refer to, say, "What started you

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on this?" Because we were in Whistler on

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the west coast of Canada, so probably

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skiing-wise, about as far as you could get

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from home, certainly from the UK. You

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- You could have gone to Chile.

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- Yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe.

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That would have been further, wouldn't it?

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But anyway, it was a long way, 13 hour flight or whatever.

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And I used to go for two weeks and skied hard.

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And I remember waking up, having dreamt about work.

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I kind of sat on the side of the bed, I think.

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I remember saying under my breath, this has got to stop.

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- Dreaming about work?

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- Yeah, dreaming about work, yeah.

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You know, like I've come here to ski,

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you know, I worked hard and this was my break.

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That kind of led me in fairly short order,

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that was in the year 2000, to meditation.

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I'll skip a few steps there.

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And I kind of just read this book by this guy,

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Paul Wilson, I think his name was,

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called "Calm for Life" and it included some instructions

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about how to meditate in there.

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And I thought, yeah, okay, I'll give this a go.

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- I know that guy, I think.

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Is he an American?

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- Australia. - Australian, okay.

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That doesn't help him then.

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- I think he was referred to as the guru of calm

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for quite a while.

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He was written quite a lot of books.

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But anyhow, I read his book and I kind of learnt the basics of meditation and I just basically

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totally committed to it.

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And as I did that, I mean I was pretty calm on the outside but inside there was stuff

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going on.

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And things just kind of settled down really quickly and I thought this was really beneficial.

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And even though I was working 60 hour weeks probably, was the norm, and quite a bit of

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that period traveling around the country for the businesses I was running, I still

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managed to get my half an hour meditation a day in and out. If I could do it before I

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left for the train in the morning that was great. Sometimes it was on the train,

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sometimes it was back after a day's meeting, but half an hour was my kind of

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commitment to myself. And that was profoundly beneficial in my work but in

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my life in general. That led to exploring a few things with my then partner with

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complementary therapy type things and I found out that you could learn these

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things and I thought wow this is amazing and the results I got for myself were

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profound but also part of it was sort of sharing with others and it had a big

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impact on the people I worked with at the time and it just became clear by

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about 2005 that I was being called in a different direction with all this I could

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sort of see it coming and it took about four years to make the decision to leave my old

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world behind. I kind of knew it was going to come. I changed, I kind of left my old relationship

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behind at the time. I wasn't married but we kind of mutually decided it was time to move

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on. And in 2009, just after I'd turned a big business around, which was nothing to do with

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my core discipline that the company had asked me to do, I just knew that that was the time.

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It was a big contract extension for the company,

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but I thought I've got to go.

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If I don't go now, I'll regret it.

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And I left and kind of walked into a big void

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with a vague plan in my head about the things I might do.

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Very little of which actually turned out

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to be the things I actually did do.

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Some months before, maybe not quite a year before,

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I met my now wife at an EFT workshop.

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- EFT is what?

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emotional freedom techniques.

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- Is that the tapping thing?

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- The tapping, yeah.

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I call it acupuncture without the needles.

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I don't use any of this stuff anymore, by the way.

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That was an insight I got.

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I had to drop all that, but that's where I met her.

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And she, as I walked into the room with this lady I knew,

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who was the teacher for that class.

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So he said, "Oh, you're Philip Wade."

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And I'm thinking, how does this woman know who I am?

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And she'd found me on the internet,

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through the FT, I think it was.

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But anyway, long story short, she contacted me in the May,

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I'd already handed in my notice.

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And by the end of July that year, I handed in my notice

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and we started seeing each other.

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A year later we were married, but I was kind of meditating.

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And as soon as I left work,

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which was ridiculous and long hours,

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the energy in my body just started to transform

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and I carried on meditating.

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And a couple of years into that,

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I think that was around 2011.

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I left work end of July 2009, the first really major insight emerged, which I won't bore

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everybody with the details, but in essence it is what became known as, if you look on

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my website now, you'd see a reference to spheres of light or the spheres.

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I'm basically in this kind of deep meditation kind of space.

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I got a vision of leaving something behind that I'd just paid a lot of money for.

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presence said you don't need any of that just do this and it basically just said

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to me just connect from your heart with the spheres and I was lying in bed and I

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remember doing that I remember just think okay well in for a penny in for a

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pound kind of thing as I just opened to that there was a whoosh of energy

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through my body and it felt like I was being upgraded in some way it's like

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something really powerful was going on for quite some time and I wasn't really

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quite sure what it was at the time but I remember being clear that I was to tell some friends

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who I'd connected with and I said, "Hey guys, just try this." And there was about seven or eight of

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them and they all came back over the next few days. They came back and asked, "Wow, that was fantastic.

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What was that? Where did you get that from?" I said, "Well, it just came in this meditation."

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And then the next thing that happened was I was stood in the kitchen and washing the dishes

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and I suddenly got these words appeared in consciousness suddenly it was like open source,

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open source and I knew the words and I knew it was connected with this thing called the spheres

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which became spheres meditation or the spheres like meditation and I looked it up and it just

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happened so happened to be 20 years to the day when the open source foundation had been created

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by Linus Torvalds and there was this some principles on there that really spoke to me about what this

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was supposed to be and it was really clear and I became bombarded with messages saying right you've

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now got to put this out there to the world and essentially what happened was this group of

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friends helped me and we built a website and put it all out there and it touched quite a lot of

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people very very quickly and I was getting asked all sorts of questions about where this came from

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What did it mean?

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What was it?

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And like these answers were just coming out of nowhere, thinking where's this stuff coming

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from?

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And it just accelerated, accelerated and deepened, accelerated and deepened.

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And it was clear that I was meant to be sharing it.

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And I ended up doing loads of events, not because Philip wanted to, but because like

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I was being kind of pushed into it.

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I remember somebody said, Oh, you should come to this place called the Sanctuary of Healing.

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And I thought, okay, I'll go there.

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maybe half a dozen people, that'll be fine.

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And like 30 people showed up and like they were having wow, wow moments, you know, like

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we'd be sort of five minutes into the workshop.

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I'd start the meditation and somebody would have an absolutely enormous energetic shift

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and leaving all sorts of trauma behind.

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And people were like 30 people in the room were kind of like a bit spooked by it.

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But I was just like totally calm.

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And I would go over to these people and say, you all right?

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"Yeah, I feel completely held. Don't worry, I'm okay." And this happened regularly at the events.

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And it just went on like that for a while. And then about a year and a half later,

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and there was a ton of energetic shifts going on in me in that process as well. All sorts of

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baggage being left behind, stuff being cleared out of the emotional body and so forth. And like,

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just off the scale experiences that I can't really put into words, one of which I call my annihilation

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experience. I mean, I literally thought I was going to die. And I thought, okay, we'll get on

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with it kind of thing. And it was just the energy was buzzing in my body for days. And then in 2014,

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which was about a year and a half later, it was the unequivocal realization flowered, you know,

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like there was just no sense of this body. I couldn't even recognize the idea of a Philip

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in that process. There was just awareness, just awareness and a knowing and it was eternal. I'm

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trying to use words to describe that something that I cannot put into words. It was just eternity

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was the word I guess you'd use. And somewhere in that space, suddenly these words, infinite silence

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emerged and in that same moment the very subtlest sense of this body I thought oh yeah yeah yeah

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there was a kind of body here vaguely so I recall that it's really really subtle though I wouldn't

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have been able to tell you where I was and then it with those words and knowing the clarity that

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that's whom I really was and I sometimes refer to it now as everything had changed and nothing

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had changed and it was like all that I thought I was, Philip Wade, this guy who used to be a

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civil engineer and all the rest of it, yeah well that was all kind of an experience that I'd been

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had but it wasn't that which I really was and so all of that had changed and nothing had changed

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in the sense that oh yeah yeah infinite silence that's who I am that's who we all are and it was

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made clear that I was to use this term in the sharing that had already been going on, but

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this was the words he gave, the new way.

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And that kind of eventually came out of that.

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I don't know how long it lasted.

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It was quite a long time.

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And my body was like, it was plugged into the universal grid and it was absolutely buzzing.

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And this lasted for about two weeks and my body wouldn't sleep.

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the kind of mind started to try to kick back in going,

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what on earth is going on?

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And I remember I kind of just sitting there,

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that kind of question came up and consciousness said,

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life is death.

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- Life is death.

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- Life is death.

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And I realized instantly that it wasn't the body

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that was dying,

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which is what the mind thought was happening.

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It was the identification,

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the attachment to and the belief that all I was that,

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that was dying, that was really clear.

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life is death it said. And then it gave me a date saying, you know, basically no need

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to worry, this phase is going to finish on this date. And we were part of that phase,

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we were on holiday, we planned to go on holiday. And I wasn't sleeping. And I was kind of walking

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around in this garden barefooted to try and ground myself. And then it ended whilst we

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were on holiday, that kind of the energy settled down and I could sleep again. I remember sharing

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It was Sue, my wife, when it had happened.

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She just loved the words "infinite silence"

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and everybody I started using that term to

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just somehow seem to resonate with it.

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And in that process, it became clear

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that I'd had this website domain appear

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in consciousness in 2007.

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It happened twice.

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And what happened was I'd got this name, gatewaylocation.org.

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And I thought, okay, I'll go and look at this domain

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and it wasn't there.

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So I thought, well, strange.

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And then six months later, I got it again.

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And this time it said, do you want to buy it?

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I thought, oh, that's what I'm supposed to do

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with this domain.

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So come fast forward seven years, this happens.

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And it suddenly became clear,

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Gatewallocation.org was basically to be used

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to share this, the message of self-realization.

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So the website got built from that process

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and that's what happened there.

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Let me pause you for a second and ask you a few questions about everything you just said,

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because I'd like you to embellish on some of it.

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So, first of all, you strike me as, from everything you've said,

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and I've heard you say on recordings, as being a very intuitive guy,

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very much guided, actually, I don't know, you can perhaps suggest by whom or what you are guided,

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and trusting of your intuitions, which is a good thing.

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I mean, there are a lot of fairy tales about this, you know, where Frodo, you know, just

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has this impulse that he has to go and do this thing, or Jack and the Beanstalk, "I think

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I'll sell the family cow for a handful of beans and see what happens."

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And so, it's kind of a leap of faith, but in these stories it works out.

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So, it's kind of part of the culture, actually, that people can operate this way.

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So that's interesting.

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And then, I find it interesting that you took to meditation so readily, just learning it

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from a book.

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that is usually the case with most people, at least most people I talk to. I run

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into a lot of people who say, "Well, I've tried to meditate in this and that and it

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never, it's not easy for me, it's hard for me to keep at it and things." So you do

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seem like a fish to water in terms of meditation and to my mind it suggests

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past life involvement in this kind of thing which, you know, we pick up again at

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certain point and take to it naturally. The intuitive bit, I wouldn't have necessarily

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said that, to be honest, back in 2000. You know, if I was necessarily looking at other

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people who had seen it, I thought it was intuitive. But I think reflecting on it now, with the

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benefit of a lot of hindsight, there was this sense that I'd had, that by the time I was

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50 I was going to be doing something different but I didn't know what it was

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and it was 48 when I left work 47 48 so I suppose that was a bit of intuition a

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sort of knowing and what I think I'd established from the small amount of

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stuff that I've read it was kind and I really knew nothing about this subject

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whatsoever just trust I totally committed to that I realized that I

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needed to do that because I knew nothing really. That was pretty clear to me, I knew nothing.

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So you hadn't had any interest in, you hadn't read like the Power of Now or

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Autobiography of a Yogi or something like that when you were younger?

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I read Power of Now when it first came out, I think that was around 2000, 2001 was it?

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Something like that, I think.

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Yeah, I remember reading that thinking, yeah, this speaks to me. And I think I read the

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the conversation with God Books at the time and I remember having an experience with that.

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It's right at the beginning of the book where it well sets the question to whom does God

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talk and when. I know what the answer is going to be and he says, you know, he says, I talk

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to everybody all the time. The question is not to whom do I talk, but who listens. I

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completely get that. It just made so much sense to me and the books when I read them,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of, but

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which was a complete contrast to the

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Catholic upbringing I'd had. So that

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was interesting. I wouldn't have classed

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myself as intuitive, but trusting

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probably, and I think I've probably

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become, as this has been integrated, more

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intuitive. What do you think intuition is in

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the deepest sense, you know? Do you think it

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comes exclusively from within us, or do you

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think that there's some kind of divine entity or entities or something that guide us and

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are concerned with our welfare? What's your personal hunch about that?

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Okay, I refer to it as coming from the silence.

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Okay.

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The infinite silence as was realized. And that is, for me, if you like, is the source of

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wisdom. So, I don't class anything that I share as Phillips. I refer to it as coming

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from this silence. What I found over the years, particularly since things really

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flowered, was that it just comes up with insight, clarity, and it feels like it's

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arising from that space and then, you know, the brain or whatever translates

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into a word or a vision to show me something and I just trusted that

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completely because it was clear it wasn't coming from here, you know, my head.

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The way I look at it, it's just the silence speaks and it'll do that in many ways.

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And it'll do that through intuitive insight, it may give you a word.

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I often get a set of words that I'm to use as a message to give to people, like in a little quote or whatever.

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And when I do that, it has a big impact on people.

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So, it's all arising from the source of wisdom that I refer to as the silence or the infinite

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silence.

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David Well, it's interesting how the silence is

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so pregnant with possibilities.

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You hear people like Beethoven or Mozart or great writers and J.K.

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Rowling or whoever talk about how this idea will just come to in a flash out of apparently

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nowhere.

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Or like Mozart, he'd say he would cognize a whole symphony in a few seconds, and then

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taking hours and hours to write it all down, but sometimes this word silence has a kind of a plain

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vanilla connotation, like it's just this flat nothingness. But some people, like Deepak Chopra,

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likes to use the phrase "field of all possibilities". It's this cornucopia of creative possibilities.

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Yeah, I like that. I mean, actually, the words that were coming to me there,

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it's not a phrase I've used for a long time, but "a sphere of all possibilities". And the reason

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And sphere is because when I got, just use your intention, your heart based intention

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to connect with the spheres, I realized or one of the realization was that it's just

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a metaphor really, but if you were to consider a single finite point and radiate out equally

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in every direction, you get a sphere.

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And so you could think of the universe as an infinite sphere, not that it has a shape.

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And so the sphere of all possibilities, that silence for me is the birthplace of everything.

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And the bit about the spheres bit, what I realized was the spheres, that meditation,

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just usually, I was shown that that was connected with what's referred to in India as Hiranyagarbha.

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I might not get the pronunciation.

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No, that's right.

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Golden egg.

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The golden egg, the golden womb of creation.

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became clear was that the reason that meditation and the reason that appeared

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first was it was both an energetic bridge to the silence, so it would

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transport you there, if you like, like a portal to it, but also it was the

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creation point, the womb of creation, the golden egg of creation, through which the

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manifest realms occur. And I refer to this now as, you'll see this in many

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spirit traditions and you must be more aware of it than I am, but the triality of

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consciousness, so in my terms that would be infinite silence, spheres or spheres

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of light and the physical domain form. It has many names and I realized that those

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were the three in one that's referred to in many traditions. But going back on

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the intuition question I wouldn't have necessarily said that but I was

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certainly trusted, certainly trusted. What was the other thing that you asked? There

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something else.

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Pete Well, I do want to talk more about the spheres

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of light, but what you just said about the intuition thing and the universe, you know

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how there's that saying, "Man is made in the image of God."

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You kind of think of the universe as just the expression or the manifestation of that

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infinite potentiality, but then we are a microcosm of that just as the universe emerges from

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that and evolves and evolves into greater and greater expressions.

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You know, from within us there can be these seeds of impulse that give rise to an expression

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of something, and I think you've just described that process to some extent.

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You know, I have this friend who's been on Backgap a few times, we have this ongoing

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debate.

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He somehow feels that God or the creative intelligence that governs the universe is

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just developing as the universe grows.

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And I keep saying, "That's like pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps."

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It's got to come from some place ultimately, and I think that we could think of God as

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having an unmanifest phase and then a manifest phase, and perhaps it's cyclical.

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And so, yeah, in the manifest phase, the universe is evolving, we could think of that as God's

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body, but it comes from a field of potentiality that makes that possible.

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So anyway, my debate with him is kind of on my mind, but you're kind of reminding me of

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it by what you're saying.

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I can say something about that if you want, because this phrase "made in the image of

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likeness of God" in my Catholic upbringing would come up, you know.

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But what I eventually realized is that there's a misinterpretation of what that actually

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means because you get this thing where the bearded guy in the sky, the typical image

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that you see of God, looking down upon humanity.

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Right.

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That's not what it means.

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The maiden, the likeness of God,

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as experientially seen, means that we too are that.

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- Yeah, yeah.

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That's what I was trying to get at there.

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- And so I use this metaphor.

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Do you mind if I just use it?

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- Oh yeah, I like that metaphor.

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I heard you use it.

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- Yeah, actually the first part of the metaphor

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came to sue my wife,

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but I've developed it a load over the years.

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But the metaphor's really good.

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It's really helpful for people.

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Typically--

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- Explain what you're holding,

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'cause some people will just be listening to this in audio.

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- Yeah, I'm gonna do that.

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So basically I've got a fiber optic lamp in my hand

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and you can see if you're on audio only,

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some points of light at the end of the fiber optic filaments.

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And typically if you consider yourself,

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your body mind experience as one of those points of light,

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then most people spend most of the time thinking,

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believing that that's all they are.

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And they look outward into the world

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and it's a world of separation.

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You know, every other point of light is separate from every other point of light and the world's

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a pretty scary place when you look at it that way, this separation.

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There's them over there and there's us over here and all the rest of it.

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The whole meditative journey, the whole self-realization journey is about turning what I call a turning

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point and we start to look down the filament, look down the fiber optic.

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And the first thing that we come to on this metaphor is this blue light at the base here.

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And for those that can see it, you'll see that all of the light in all of these filaments

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at the end of the fiber optic, all of the light comes from this one source.

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So it's the single source made manifest in multiple variety.

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And this in the experiences that emerge are referred to as the spheres.

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is the spheres bit, the Hiranyagarbha bit.

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But why is spheres, the word

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spheres, first of all it's plural and

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secondly it implies some kind of

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limitation because you have, you could

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have a sphere here and a sphere there and

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a sphere there, but you're alluding to

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something which is universal, not

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individuated. Correct. The reason it's

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spheres, the reference for that, because it

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was plural, it was plural in the

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inside is its multi-dimensional,

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multifaceted nature. If I just said

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sphere, it would kind of just think like

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just...

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So that's its multi-dimensional nature.

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This sphere

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of like the Hiranyagarbha, I've been shown

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a visual for this which I'll try and

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articulate to people,

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but if infinite silence had an edge and it

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doesn't,

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then this abuts it or is like

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birthed within it. It's the first expression of that. So it's within that infinite sphere,

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Hiranyagarbha appears and it's powered by, using the rest of the metaphor, the battery here at the

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base is the power, the infinite silence. Now, that's a limitation in the metaphor because actually

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that power is everywhere, so it would be infinite silence would surround this completely and this

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wouldn't be at the base only, it would be everywhere. And the dots, you know like Russian dolls?

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>> Yeah.

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>> You'd have spheres within spheres, and this way you'd get multiple universes,

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multiple expressions, multi-dimensions, all occurring within the infinite sphere. And

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how I see it or how it's seen is that all of its expressions, all of its manifestations

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are here now because the infinite silence, one of the many things that was clear was that it was

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beyond time, beyond space, beyond form, beyond contrast, and there was just no thing happening

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there, yet it was full of infinite potential. And without its first expression as Hiranyagarbha

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or spheres and then the form, it wouldn't have any experience because there was no time,

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no space, no form, no contrast. And so it creates this, if you like, it chooses to create this

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first Hiranyagarbha or spheres of light, then the physical domain and those are

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spheres within spheres and through that triality it comes to know itself in its

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own experience. So it goes, "Hey, wouldn't it be a great idea to be Rick Archer?

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Wouldn't it be great to be Irene Archer? Wouldn't it be a good idea to be

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Philip Wade?" And through this vehicle, without that, it wouldn't be able to come

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to know itself is in its own experience. So, that's how I kind of articulate it.

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That's great. I love that.

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It's more than that, but that's a way of expressing it.

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That's so interesting. Have you ever seen that picture of Vishnu lying on his serpent couch,

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and these spheres are bubbling up out of his mind or something, and each one of them is a

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little universe that is getting created? Kind of what you said reminded me of that.

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I'm not sure if I have, but it sounds perfect to me.

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These spheres are being burst from, you know, like the Russian dolls almost, you know, the kind of spheres.

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Yeah, in fact, I think the picture might show them coming from his heart area, just as you've gestured.

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I have a picture, I went, unexpectedly a few years ago, I went to Iceland and I met this intuitive artist lady.

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I was like, she has to draw a picture for me. And she has a picture.

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I said, what I want you to do, your commission, is to create a picture that represents this.

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It's not quite the same picture as Vishnu, but it's got spheres.

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Yeah, well what you're saying is so interesting and might be worth dwelling on for a little bit.

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I've heard this whole explanation in very similar terms about what you could call the

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self-interacting dynamics of consciousness, where in its primordial unmanifest state it's all oneness,

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but then through some mechanics there's some kind of emergence in which you end up with

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knower, known, and process of knowing, and all of that really is just the oneness, but somehow it

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has become three, and that three-fold nature enables experience to happen, and yet it's still

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one, and yet it's three, and yet it's one, and yet it's three. Somehow the one in three creates this

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infinite frequency which results in a sort of a tremendous dynamism at the foundation of creation,

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and that dynamism is what gives rise to the whole show. I also love what you said about

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through these manifest forms that that oneness becomes a living reality.

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Pete Yeah, yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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Pete Yeah.

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something, which some say is actually the whole purpose of creation. It's like God got bored

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just being one that's, "Let me play the Leela, let's have some play." And so, then we're

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all kind of like your filament thing, we're all expressions of the one having a relative

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experience which wouldn't be possible if diversity hadn't arisen. And our whole purpose is to

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embody to greater and greater degrees that divinity or oneness or whatever you want to

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call it, and yet be human beings, breathing and acting and living and loving and doing

00:31:07.700 --> 00:31:09.780
all the things we do as that.

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Absolutely.

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I mean, I have a whole live stream on this called Life, Purpose and Meaning, and basically

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I take people on a journey to help them sort of start to open up to this.

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Because without this three in one, there wouldn't be experience, there would just be infinite

00:31:29.460 --> 00:31:32.700
silence, there would just be silence absolute, that's all.

00:31:32.700 --> 00:31:40.260
It would just be silence aware of itself as that, and there'd be no experience.

00:31:40.260 --> 00:31:48.260
So this process, if you want to call it cyclical, you could do, that's necessary for it to come

00:31:48.260 --> 00:31:49.260
to know itself.

00:31:49.260 --> 00:31:51.900
And it's all here, is how I see it.

00:31:51.900 --> 00:31:52.900
It's all here.

00:31:52.900 --> 00:31:58.060
I don't ask anybody to believe this, by the way, because when the clarity of that silence

00:31:58.060 --> 00:32:04.300
emerges, it will become what I call it, capital S self-evident, that although we experience

00:32:04.300 --> 00:32:12.260
linear time, time is not an intrinsic property of the universe. Physics is seeing that now.

00:32:12.260 --> 00:32:17.580
It's just all here. I remember seeing a great metaphor many years ago. It's like a light

00:32:17.580 --> 00:32:24.860
flashing on and off on now if you do that fast enough but it looks like the lights

00:32:24.860 --> 00:32:27.980
on all the time sure like a movie movies are actually

00:32:27.980 --> 00:32:31.700
discrete frames but they look like basically now you know you take out to

00:32:31.700 --> 00:32:36.620
infinite speed if that's if there was was such a thing as infinite speed then you

00:32:36.620 --> 00:32:41.500
kind of get is like on and off it is just the infinite means it's infinite is

00:32:41.500 --> 00:32:46.300
it's unlimited, it has no limitations whatsoever, whatsoever.

00:32:46.300 --> 00:32:48.300
And so it's just all here.

00:32:48.300 --> 00:32:50.940
And so we experience linear time

00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:54.060
because that gives us the gift of experience.

00:32:54.060 --> 00:32:57.980
Without linear time, we wouldn't have experience.

00:32:57.980 --> 00:32:59.900
But it's like if you, actually,

00:32:59.900 --> 00:33:01.740
it's just a movie running, you know,

00:33:01.740 --> 00:33:05.440
a universal size movie running at how many frames per second

00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.660
and you're just looking at those frames.

00:33:07.660 --> 00:33:10.060
That's one way of looking at it, I would say.

00:33:10.060 --> 00:33:10.900
- Yeah.

00:33:10.900 --> 00:33:13.700
It's not about believing this, it's about realizing this.

00:33:13.700 --> 00:33:16.680
Yeah, everything we're saying here is about that.

00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:20.300
And there was another thing you just said which actually adds another little flavor to the

00:33:20.300 --> 00:33:21.300
whole thing.

00:33:21.300 --> 00:33:24.900
You said something about silence being aware of itself or something like that?

00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:25.900
Yes.

00:33:25.900 --> 00:33:30.100
If you think about it, at that fundamental level, there's nothing else down there for

00:33:30.100 --> 00:33:33.020
it to be aware of other than itself.

00:33:33.020 --> 00:33:38.180
But in becoming aware of itself, that automatically begins to set up the three-in-one structure.

00:33:38.180 --> 00:33:42.580
all of a sudden there's the observer and the observed. And it does that by virtue of the

00:33:42.580 --> 00:33:48.100
fact that it is consciousness. And consciousness by its very nature has to be conscious of something,

00:33:48.100 --> 00:33:53.380
so it becomes conscious of itself. And then boom, you end up with the whole phantasmagoria

00:33:53.380 --> 00:33:59.860
unfolding from that. It all flows from that. In fact, I used to, but now let me express it this

00:33:59.860 --> 00:34:05.940
way rather than what I say, I used to say, what came into articulating this for people was,

00:34:06.500 --> 00:34:11.860
So if it's infinite silence, just infinite silence, and then if I said at this point

00:34:11.860 --> 00:34:17.260
there's no awareness there, then awareness is what I would refer to as its first born.

00:34:17.260 --> 00:34:18.260
Yes.

00:34:18.260 --> 00:34:19.260
First born.

00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:25.820
And then spheres of light, this bit on the metaphor here, the base of the fibroptic lamp,

00:34:25.820 --> 00:34:33.620
that is its first expression, and through that golden womb or golden egg, Hiranyagarbha,

00:34:33.620 --> 00:34:36.180
the physical domain emerges.

00:34:36.180 --> 00:34:42.260
fall happens in no time like that. Did most of this just come to you or have you?

00:34:42.260 --> 00:34:46.260
Yes, it just came to me. It's really cool because I mean what you're elaborating is some of the

00:34:46.260 --> 00:34:52.020
deepest principles of Hinduism and Kashmir Shaivism and some of these different traditions of knowledge

00:34:52.020 --> 00:34:58.100
who these guys came up with the same thing and elaborated it and these days I know scientists

00:34:58.100 --> 00:35:02.740
who are trying to take that knowledge and then you know juxtapose it with modern scientific

00:35:02.740 --> 00:35:08.020
understanding and figure out, you know, to what extent they can align. And so it's

00:35:08.020 --> 00:35:10.620
really cool that you're expressing that so clearly.

00:35:10.620 --> 00:35:16.020
I was like just bombarded with insight after insight after insight after insight.

00:35:16.020 --> 00:35:20.020
It was kind of difficult to keep up from the human perspective. Like,

00:35:20.020 --> 00:35:25.500
showing more and more stuff and I was kind of just gradually piecing it all

00:35:25.500 --> 00:35:31.340
together. So it took a while for the kind of intellect part to integrate it all. So

00:35:31.340 --> 00:35:39.500
So like over, well, 13 years since 2011 now and 10 since the Infinite Silence Realization,

00:35:39.500 --> 00:35:40.820
all of that's been integrated.

00:35:40.820 --> 00:35:45.020
So I can articulate it a lot more clearly now than I would have been able to 10 years

00:35:45.020 --> 00:35:46.020
ago.

00:35:46.020 --> 00:35:47.020
Yes, it's really good.

00:35:47.020 --> 00:35:49.140
But I was still pretty clear then.

00:35:49.140 --> 00:35:51.940
You know, I look at some of my old stuff and think, "Wow, did I say that then?

00:35:51.940 --> 00:35:53.540
Or was that said then?"

00:35:53.540 --> 00:35:56.020
But it's definitely clearer now.

00:35:56.020 --> 00:35:58.860
It takes practice to work out all the words.

00:35:58.860 --> 00:36:02.220
just more immediate, more instant.

00:36:02.220 --> 00:36:03.980
What is the significance of the phrase

00:36:03.980 --> 00:36:06.540
"gateway location"? I have a feeling what

00:36:06.540 --> 00:36:08.380
it might be, but I want to hear you say it.

00:36:08.380 --> 00:36:10.220
Yeah, well, it took me a long time to

00:36:10.220 --> 00:36:12.220
figure that out, because like in 2007 I

00:36:12.220 --> 00:36:14.700
had no idea what that meant.

00:36:14.700 --> 00:36:18.700
Essentially, you are, we are the gateway

00:36:18.700 --> 00:36:21.260
ourselves. It's located within us.

00:36:21.260 --> 00:36:23.820
The gateway location is within. It's not

00:36:23.820 --> 00:36:25.900
something that's outside of you,

00:36:25.900 --> 00:36:27.180
it's within you.

00:36:27.180 --> 00:36:29.020
I am the way, the truth, and the life.

00:36:29.020 --> 00:36:32.460
Correct, that. And that's a phrase that's been misunderstood because...

00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:35.900
Right, because they attribute it just to that guy who lived 2000 years ago.

00:36:35.900 --> 00:36:42.620
And actually, no, no, it doesn't mean that. What he was saying was, I am, not me personally,

00:36:42.620 --> 00:36:52.220
I, infinite I, I, infinite I, am, which is pure being, that's this bit. So that's the entry point

00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:58.860
to the realization of the infinite silence at the base of the lamp here. I am the way, the truth,

00:36:58.860 --> 00:37:07.100
and the light means through this vehicle of I am, the infinite I am, non-personal I am, through that

00:37:07.100 --> 00:37:14.780
you will go through the portal to realize the essence because people often stop at this I am

00:37:14.780 --> 00:37:21.660
and the first thing that mistake is it's a personal I am. No, it's not that. It's an infinite I,

00:37:21.660 --> 00:37:30.860
But even the sense I am, infinite I am, pure being, that can be recognized as a phenomena,

00:37:30.860 --> 00:37:38.940
as a phenomena that's I am. And that's seen or aware of from the silence itself,

00:37:38.940 --> 00:37:44.620
from the awareness of the silence. And so when I sort of share this with people, like,

00:37:44.620 --> 00:37:50.300
you know, like it kind of blows a gasket because they start to see something deeper that they

00:37:50.300 --> 00:37:56.540
hadn't realized before. "I am the way" means infinite "I am."

00:37:56.540 --> 00:38:01.380
Right. Another way I take it is that not only that subtle level you're talking about, but

00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:08.700
the whole mind-body structure is a vehicle. And we need this gross fleshly body, as well

00:38:08.700 --> 00:38:14.500
as all the subtler realms that nest within it, like the Russian dolls. And the whole

00:38:14.500 --> 00:38:20.600
thing is a vehicle through which we can traverse the full range of creation and arrive at its

00:38:20.600 --> 00:38:24.140
source and then live it through this vehicle.

00:38:24.140 --> 00:38:30.100
Exactly. So, this body that you have, we call it Rick Archer, but it's like a car. You might

00:38:30.100 --> 00:38:36.460
have a car, but you're not your car. And the silence creates its car and it gets called

00:38:36.460 --> 00:38:42.100
Rick and it goes around experiencing itself as Rick and comes to know itself through that

00:38:42.100 --> 00:38:46.180
vehicle and it does that in infinite

00:38:46.180 --> 00:38:47.700
variety because it's infinite, so why

00:38:47.700 --> 00:38:49.860
wouldn't it? You know, like, let's try

00:38:49.860 --> 00:38:52.180
everything. Yeah, mosquitoes and

00:38:52.180 --> 00:38:53.540
elephants and... Yeah, let's get planets,

00:38:53.540 --> 00:38:56.260
stars,

00:38:56.260 --> 00:38:57.940
neutrons, electrons, I'll try all of

00:38:57.940 --> 00:38:59.700
those things, you know, everything.

00:38:59.700 --> 00:39:01.060
Why wouldn't it? It's infinite. It's like,

00:39:01.060 --> 00:39:02.180
you know, let's try everything and I'll

00:39:02.180 --> 00:39:04.900
do it all now.

00:39:04.900 --> 00:39:06.420
All now. I found all this fascinating and

00:39:06.420 --> 00:39:08.260
I'm sure the listeners do,

00:39:08.260 --> 00:39:09.780
but it does seem rather philosophical.

00:39:08.260 --> 00:39:13.700
So how do you help people make this more practical and concrete and experiential?

00:39:13.700 --> 00:39:18.980
Yeah, it's a good question. And that's really been the focus of my last 13, 10 years,

00:39:18.980 --> 00:39:23.940
depending on where you measure it from, really. It's been about how do you then translate this

00:39:23.940 --> 00:39:32.660
into life and share it with people. Loads of insight has come around that. And basically,

00:39:32.660 --> 00:39:41.620
I use a number of key tools to do that. I introduced them to back in 2011. First phase was the spheres

00:39:41.620 --> 00:39:47.860
meditation. I used to do like a whole two day event just on that. That was like a big impact.

00:39:47.860 --> 00:39:55.540
Just use your heart based intention to connect with the spheres. We'd go through multiple exercises

00:39:55.540 --> 00:40:01.620
over those two days, kind of getting people used to that. That was the first part. The next part

00:40:01.620 --> 00:40:07.540
that came was the Infinite Silence meditation, which is the natural progression. And the simplest

00:40:07.540 --> 00:40:13.380
version of that is just be open from your heart to the experience of Infinite Silence.

00:40:13.380 --> 00:40:18.820
And I used to do these with like next to no guidance in those days, no guidance at all.

00:40:18.820 --> 00:40:23.060
Just say, "Right guys, you're going to really have to trust this and we're just going to sit here."

00:40:23.060 --> 00:40:27.540
And we're going to, and like people used to go, "Oh." What do you mean they went, "Oh, what happened?"

00:40:28.100 --> 00:40:31.220
it's like a big impact because like the minds couldn't cope with it.

00:40:31.220 --> 00:40:35.860
So it actually did something? Yes, it switched the mind off. It would switch the mind off.

00:40:35.860 --> 00:40:40.020
They wouldn't just be sitting there getting sleepy or thinking about what's for dinner?

00:40:40.020 --> 00:40:43.780
That was one of the comments I remember said like, "Well normally when I'm meditating and

00:40:43.780 --> 00:40:46.900
I'm thinking about what's for dinner and all the rest of it." But it wasn't with that,

00:40:46.900 --> 00:40:49.780
with your meditation. It was like, I just went somewhere else.

00:40:49.780 --> 00:40:54.580
And do you feel that's because of the instructions you gave them or because of the atmosphere that

00:40:54.580 --> 00:40:56.980
got created when you're sitting with a group of people?

00:40:56.980 --> 00:41:05.060
bit of both, I would tell them the story and then we'd do the exercise. It felt like it wasn't

00:41:05.060 --> 00:41:11.620
Philip, it was like just that presence was there imbued in the space, it was like that. So that was

00:41:11.620 --> 00:41:18.180
kind of how I started it and then I got a vision. I wasn't planning to do this, I wasn't asking to do

00:41:18.180 --> 00:41:24.740
this, but I was shown a vision of a glass sphere, a bit like you would see as a goldfish bowl really,

00:41:24.740 --> 00:41:29.220
and people were putting questions in it

00:41:29.220 --> 00:41:31.620
and I was to put this in the middle of

00:41:31.620 --> 00:41:33.620
the room during these events

00:41:33.620 --> 00:41:34.740
and I'd invite people to put their

00:41:34.740 --> 00:41:37.300
questions in

00:41:37.300 --> 00:41:38.900
and then I was to go through and look

00:41:38.900 --> 00:41:40.820
at these questions and answer them

00:41:40.820 --> 00:41:42.260
live. So that was a trust thing because

00:41:42.260 --> 00:41:43.540
I'd never done that before. So that's

00:41:43.540 --> 00:41:45.300
something you actually did?

00:41:45.300 --> 00:41:46.900
Yeah, yeah. So I actually physically

00:41:46.900 --> 00:41:47.860
did that. I used to put the glass spear in

00:41:47.860 --> 00:41:50.420
the middle of the room.

00:41:50.420 --> 00:41:51.540
I bought this three pound goldfish bowl

00:41:51.540 --> 00:41:53.300
and said, "Right guys,

00:41:51.540 --> 00:41:55.780
this is what this is for. People used to put in, there'd be like 20, 30 questions in there.

00:41:55.780 --> 00:41:59.060
Why did you do that rather than just have them ask the questions vocally?

00:41:59.060 --> 00:42:03.060
Because that's the vision I was shown. So I did that for quite a long time. Now I just get them

00:42:03.060 --> 00:42:08.740
to ask it. The reason it was done that way, it was kind of like representative of the spheres,

00:42:08.740 --> 00:42:15.460
this glass bar, right? Right. And it was a way for Philip to get used to being asked questions that

00:42:15.460 --> 00:42:21.940
could be about anything. So I did that and like the answers would just come. So that was so the

00:42:21.940 --> 00:42:28.660
inquiry part started from that and then I realized that a lot of the books were kind of after the

00:42:28.660 --> 00:42:35.300
realization. I realized that all the questions came down to the one key question which is who or what

00:42:35.300 --> 00:42:43.700
am I. So I then guided people to explore why that was, why all the questions came down to that and

00:42:43.700 --> 00:42:50.100
then developed other elements to that. I ask all sorts of questions now when I'm doing meditations,

00:42:50.100 --> 00:42:55.140
which kind of snaps people out of their minds. So I bring them in like kind of by surprise,

00:42:55.140 --> 00:43:00.020
you know, like, so I might ask them to say, Who am I without memory in meditation? Or

00:43:00.020 --> 00:43:04.020
Who am I without knowledge? Or Who am I without time?

00:43:04.020 --> 00:43:05.700
- You're almost like Zen Coens.

00:43:05.700 --> 00:43:13.300
- Yeah, yeah. Or Who am I without this body mind? What if I know nothing? I've got a list of these

00:43:13.300 --> 00:43:18.420
that I just throw in when I feel it and it just snaps people out and they get

00:43:18.420 --> 00:43:25.220
answers like space, silence, awareness, stillness, consciousness and it's the

00:43:25.220 --> 00:43:29.180
first time for some people that they've had that opening and they tend to

00:43:29.180 --> 00:43:33.500
feel very expanded, you know, like something's opened up.

00:43:33.500 --> 00:43:39.100
So the inquiry came, this was all in quite quick succession, I didn't

00:43:39.100 --> 00:43:44.320
plan to do inquiry, inquiry was that you've got to do inquiry. And then I was

00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:49.080
shown what I referred to, was something I use very sparingly, the infinite touch.

00:43:49.080 --> 00:43:53.200
This was another vision. If I was to try and show you physically, if I was to put

00:43:53.200 --> 00:43:59.020
my thumb on the third eye area, this thumb, and then fingers on the crown of the

00:43:59.020 --> 00:44:04.320
head like that, I was shown that I was to do this for certain people at certain

00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:10.440
times and it became known as Infinite Touch. Basically, I do use it fairly

00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:15.000
sparingly, but if somebody's particularly struggling either with some emotion

00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:20.240
coming up or they can't connect, I usually get this kind of pull and go, "Are you

00:44:20.240 --> 00:44:24.800
okay if I just do this?" I remember I went to a place called the Monastery in

00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:29.840
Manchester to a couple of people and they said it was like a morphine high.

00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:34.960
Morphe is kind of a downer. Well, yeah, that's what she said anyway.

00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:40.040
But there was one massive kind of like spiritual experience when I did it.

00:44:40.040 --> 00:44:44.600
That was with another lady. Other people, they struggle and then the Somatics

00:44:44.600 --> 00:44:49.040
seems to connect them. So I use that pretty sparingly, but if people are

00:44:49.040 --> 00:44:53.840
struggling then I'll kind of feel like, oh, I'll help them. Yeah, I had a dream one

00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:59.160
time in which some kind of a Rishi or a sage did that to me in my dream and it

00:44:59.160 --> 00:45:03.160
It was really powerful. I woke up in a really profound kind of state.

00:45:03.160 --> 00:45:08.160
Yeah, I can imagine. And you can't do it energetically. You know, you could just literally...

00:45:08.160 --> 00:45:11.160
That was the next part you just reminded me just there.

00:45:11.160 --> 00:45:19.160
The other thing I got was a really strong calling and a vision that I was to do what I now call the "open gaze".

00:45:19.160 --> 00:45:20.160
Like gazing?

00:45:20.160 --> 00:45:21.160
It's not new.

00:45:21.160 --> 00:45:23.160
A lot of people do that, yeah.

00:45:23.160 --> 00:45:26.160
Yeah, a lot of people do it, but I hadn't thought about doing it.

00:45:26.160 --> 00:45:30.480
it and I remember I was doing a series of live streams I think the first time I

00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:36.280
did it was around 2017 2018 possibly and the final thing you've got to do it on

00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:39.320
this live stream tonight and I'm thinking really on the live stream you

00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:46.760
know could be anybody watching and I did it and I had a big impact I see and I

00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:51.680
was shown that it had to have its own this this gaze thing had to have its own

00:45:51.680 --> 00:45:56.840
web page. So I've now got a sister

00:45:56.840 --> 00:45:59.400
meditation site. If you look in the main

00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:00.800
navigation of my date location, there's a

00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:03.440
meditation site and one of the

00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:08.320
experiences on there is the open gaze.

00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:09.920
So they just all evolved over time. So

00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:12.600
now it's really just a combination of

00:46:12.600 --> 00:46:14.440
meditation and inquiry. Cool. I have a

00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:16.560
question for you. First I'll put it in the

00:46:16.560 --> 00:46:19.240
nutshell, which is what is it like to be

00:46:16.560 --> 00:46:22.320
be Philip Wade, but let me elaborate a little bit. If you were to suddenly snap back to

00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:27.280
where you were 15 years ago and kind of remember what it was like to be Philip then, what your

00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:31.560
day-to-day moment-to-moment experience was like, or conversely, if you were back then

00:46:31.560 --> 00:46:36.360
and you were all of a sudden to be transported to your current state, how would you describe

00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:42.280
the contrast? What is your day-to-day experience like in your relationships, your friendships,

00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:44.800
your marriage, your whatever you do?

00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:51.800
Good questions. Looking back there, I can see all of that happened and it was all necessary to happen.

00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:58.800
And in a way, it feels like a bit of a dream in a way, but they were all important experiences, I would say.

00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:03.800
Even right back to childhood, there were things that happened then that I now see clearly.

00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:07.800
There was an awareness there that I hadn't realized what it was.

00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:13.800
So I can kind of see that part of it feels like it's a bit unreal and a bit of a dream.

00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:15.480
and another part feels like, yeah,

00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.720
it was all necessary to get to this point.

00:47:18.720 --> 00:47:20.080
- Did you ever have phases in your life

00:47:20.080 --> 00:47:21.520
where you suffered a lot?

00:47:21.520 --> 00:47:23.440
- No, I didn't, not major.

00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:25.880
I remember being, when I first went to university,

00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:28.400
that was probably the biggest challenge I had

00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:31.360
because I came from a background,

00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:33.000
I didn't even, in the UK,

00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:34.760
we have something called the 11 plus.

00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:36.800
And I remember in the year leading up to that,

00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:38.500
which is where you get to go to the stage

00:47:38.500 --> 00:47:40.720
before you go to the secondary school.

00:47:40.720 --> 00:47:43.800
and somehow or other they left their name.

00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:45.600
- Except to like middle school, we call it here.

00:47:45.600 --> 00:47:48.400
We have grammar school, middle school, and then high school.

00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:50.320
- And then you go to English school

00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:52.080
where you do your O levels

00:47:52.080 --> 00:47:55.160
and then your pre-university stuff.

00:47:55.160 --> 00:47:57.340
And then somehow I'd forgotten my name on the list

00:47:57.340 --> 00:47:58.960
and they put me in the wrong class

00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:01.040
and it was known as the dunces class.

00:48:01.040 --> 00:48:03.480
And six months into that,

00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:06.240
the kind of teacher realized that I was in the wrong class,

00:48:06.240 --> 00:48:08.680
but I kind of wasn't ready to then take the 11 plus,

00:48:08.680 --> 00:48:10.640
so I got sent to this other school.

00:48:10.640 --> 00:48:15.760
And of course I was probably in the wrong school at one level because I ended up top of the

00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:18.320
class in everything, top of the year.

00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:24.080
And I was offered to go to the grammar school, but my parents turned it down.

00:48:24.080 --> 00:48:27.720
Which in a way was a good thing, but I remember being miffed at the time.

00:48:27.720 --> 00:48:33.200
So by the time it came to university, I had to transfer schools because you didn't do

00:48:33.200 --> 00:48:36.520
what was called A-levels in the UK at this school.

00:48:36.520 --> 00:48:40.760
deputy headteacher called me in and I'm thinking, "Crikey, what have I done wrong?" You know,

00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:44.200
like, "If you're going to see Miss Hall, you've done something wrong." And she says, "Oh, I've

00:48:44.200 --> 00:48:48.760
got a place for you at the grammar school." I'm thinking, "Really?" So, then a bunch of

00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:54.280
lads who were all expecting to go to university. Nobody in my family had ever thought of going

00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:58.840
to university. So, that was kind of challenging when I first got to university. Like, I was

00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:04.320
amongst all these people who basically had parents who had been to university or had been

00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:07.320
into public school and I found that quite hard.

00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.920
I remember being really, really down at one point

00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:12.960
in the first year at university,

00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.960
looking out the window thinking, "Oh, this is heavy."

00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:17.120
But kind of got through it.

00:49:17.120 --> 00:49:19.120
And I remember shortly after that,

00:49:19.120 --> 00:49:21.240
lying in the study bedroom.

00:49:21.240 --> 00:49:23.080
And I think that was probably my most

00:49:23.080 --> 00:49:24.720
really profound spiritual experience

00:49:24.720 --> 00:49:26.920
where I think everything was okay with the world.

00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:29.240
This one mustn't have been long after

00:49:29.240 --> 00:49:31.280
that kind of heavy experience.

00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:34.480
And it's like, I just thought I could just stay here forever,

00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:36.120
sat in this study bedroom.

00:49:36.120 --> 00:49:37.400
It was incredible.

00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:39.200
And that was like the other side of the coin

00:49:39.200 --> 00:49:42.440
to the heaviness I'd felt before that.

00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:44.520
But other than that, no,

00:49:44.520 --> 00:49:46.640
there was challenging experiences

00:49:46.640 --> 00:49:48.600
'cause people didn't understand me.

00:49:48.600 --> 00:49:52.200
And I was a very friendly and affable type person

00:49:52.200 --> 00:49:55.840
and probably misunderstood in the industry

00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:58.280
I went into in civil engineering,

00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:03.080
which in the UK is a very hard, full of conflict type industry.

00:50:03.080 --> 00:50:06.480
And I was forever trying to bring people together to work together.

00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:10.880
So I was a kind of a bit of a misfit, but I enjoyed civil engineering.

00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:13.880
Well, to get back to my question though, my essential question,

00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:16.980
what is it like to be Philip Wade? So as you go through your day,

00:50:16.980 --> 00:50:21.580
do you feel bliss? Do you feel silence? Do you feel detachment from activity?

00:50:21.580 --> 00:50:24.380
Do you feel unity? Do you see angels?

00:50:24.380 --> 00:50:28.380
I mean, what is your subjective experience as you go through your life?

00:50:28.380 --> 00:50:29.380
Peace.

00:50:29.380 --> 00:50:30.380
Peace.

00:50:30.380 --> 00:50:31.380
That's your primary thing.

00:50:31.380 --> 00:50:32.780
Yeah, I would say...

00:50:32.780 --> 00:50:35.980
Even in the midst of running through a busy airport or something?

00:50:35.980 --> 00:50:38.180
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

00:50:38.180 --> 00:50:42.580
Ever since 2014, the silence, that awareness has never gone.

00:50:42.580 --> 00:50:43.580
How about during sleep?

00:50:43.580 --> 00:50:48.220
You know, it's awareness of absence, I think is the best way to describe that, but it's

00:50:48.220 --> 00:50:49.500
just there.

00:50:49.500 --> 00:50:52.060
You could say there's a sort of a witnessing of sleep.

00:50:52.060 --> 00:50:53.060
Yeah, yeah.

00:50:53.060 --> 00:50:58.700
have a dream that's being watched. Peaceful, I would say, that doesn't mean I don't

00:50:58.700 --> 00:51:02.340
make a mistake or do something wrong or cut your finger when you're chopping

00:51:02.340 --> 00:51:06.860
some veg, you know, because you do all that stuff, you've got a bunny, but peaceful.

00:51:06.860 --> 00:51:14.500
It's in the past and as it's integrated more, what I noticed over time is that

00:51:14.500 --> 00:51:20.620
because of the emotional body, I wouldn't say it's 100% cleared, but a lot has gone.

00:51:20.620 --> 00:51:26.380
Was there some turbulence as it was being purged? Did you go through like emotional

00:51:26.380 --> 00:51:33.420
upheavals? Yes, multiple releases but very short. Not a lot. Feeling strong emotions, crying,

00:51:33.420 --> 00:51:37.540
different things like that? Yeah, yeah. The EFT and the quantum touch and stuff all

00:51:37.540 --> 00:51:41.620
helped with a lot of that. I did a load of that then but then there were some

00:51:41.620 --> 00:51:45.420
other big releases but they were short-lived, they weren't long phases,

00:51:45.420 --> 00:51:51.700
they were kind of like gone, gone like that in a matter of usually minutes and then the

00:51:51.700 --> 00:51:58.140
body would take a while to recover. But now it doesn't seem to get triggered but if something

00:51:58.140 --> 00:52:03.420
is in there and I notice it, it's like something comes up, awareness sees it and it kind of

00:52:03.420 --> 00:52:09.260
feels like it gets lasered, something like that from the inside. Mostly it's just peace.

00:52:09.260 --> 00:52:13.380
I mean my wife Sue, she says you're like, you're kind of just like this.

00:52:13.380 --> 00:52:19.220
last time you lost your temper? I can't really recall. Like years ago? Yeah, I mean it worked

00:52:19.220 --> 00:52:24.180
probably. Let's say that some situation is very frustrating, maybe you don't run into such

00:52:24.180 --> 00:52:30.020
situations, but do you find that in a situation like that where you might have lost your temper

00:52:30.020 --> 00:52:35.460
years ago, you can feel the impulse but you're kind of able to nip it in the bud because you

00:52:35.460 --> 00:52:41.060
actually reside prior to the expression of it, kind of like as if you were at the source of a

00:52:41.060 --> 00:52:44.300
river and you can block off the river right there rather than down at the

00:52:44.300 --> 00:52:47.660
mouth of the river where it enters the ocean where it's too late to do anything

00:52:47.660 --> 00:52:52.460
about it. I wasn't actually big on losing my temper anyway when I was working. I

00:52:52.460 --> 00:52:56.220
can remember sort of three or four big occasions like I would tend to it would

00:52:56.220 --> 00:53:00.660
just come out in a short burst. But that's kind of going back to what you

00:53:00.660 --> 00:53:04.100
just saying there was kind of like if I notice anything now that would have been

00:53:04.100 --> 00:53:09.060
say a trigger event in the past it's instantly seen like you say you know

00:53:09.060 --> 00:53:14.820
year before that, and then it gets dissolved. It's mostly like that. I wouldn't claim perfection

00:53:14.820 --> 00:53:19.780
on this. Who can? You know, who can? I don't think it's possible whilst you still have a

00:53:19.780 --> 00:53:27.220
body, but you can get "oof, you know, why has that happened?" But it tends to be very, very quick,

00:53:27.220 --> 00:53:32.020
and it's not, you know, in the past when you've had a stressful day, it's not really like that anymore.

00:53:32.020 --> 00:53:38.020
There's an analogy they use in the Eastern teaching where an impression caused by some

00:53:38.020 --> 00:53:44.180
experience can be like a line in stone, which is kind of hard to etch, but once it's etched

00:53:44.180 --> 00:53:49.100
it doesn't go away. Or it can be like a line in sand, which is easier to etch, but it goes

00:53:49.100 --> 00:53:53.840
away more quickly. Or it can be like a line in water, or it could be like a line in air.

00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:58.300
And in air, you can actually have a deeper experience, you know, so you can put your

00:53:58.300 --> 00:54:02.860
arm right through it, which you can't do with stone, but it's instantaneously gone. And

00:54:02.860 --> 00:54:06.880
And so that's used to kind of illustrate the conditioning process of our nervous system

00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:12.900
and how we can have rich deep experiences, but they kind of pass right through us and

00:54:12.900 --> 00:54:17.820
don't leave a "samskara" as they're called, or an impression, which is going to condition

00:54:17.820 --> 00:54:18.820
us to a cycle.

00:54:18.820 --> 00:54:19.820
Definitely.

00:54:19.820 --> 00:54:27.580
What I would say is the process both before in the lead up to and post in integration

00:54:27.580 --> 00:54:33.140
phases, huge amounts of energy have been cleared from this emotional body and ever since the

00:54:33.140 --> 00:54:38.960
realization and the deep integration, it's much more like the air kind of thing.

00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.840
It feels like once it's gone, it's gone now.

00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:48.660
And it feels more like whatever was there in the energetic imprint of the body, in the

00:54:48.660 --> 00:54:55.860
cellular memory body, I wouldn't say it's 100% cleared, but it's definitely like vastly

00:54:55.860 --> 00:54:58.180
different from 20 years ago.

00:54:58.180 --> 00:54:59.180
Nice.

00:54:59.180 --> 00:55:05.300
I was listening to an interview the other day with an older Buddhist nun who had actually

00:55:05.300 --> 00:55:09.220
lived in a cave for 12 years, and she brought up an interesting analogy.

00:55:09.220 --> 00:55:13.460
She said that, and she was getting this from one of her predecessors, but she was saying

00:55:13.460 --> 00:55:17.820
that the mind is like a mirror with a lot of dust on it, and you know, you can take

00:55:17.820 --> 00:55:22.340
your finger and clear away a little spot of that dust, and if you look at that spot, you

00:55:22.340 --> 00:55:24.100
can actually see your image.

00:55:24.100 --> 00:55:28.160
like a self-realization thing that can happen where you see your true nature, but there's

00:55:28.160 --> 00:55:31.500
still a lot of dust on the mirror. So, as you said, you're not finished. It's going

00:55:31.500 --> 00:55:36.140
to be quite some time, perhaps your whole life, getting the whole mirror dust-free.

00:55:36.140 --> 00:55:41.420
I would say there's truth in that because it's 10 years since the full-blown realization

00:55:41.420 --> 00:55:47.460
and I would say integration has deepened in that time, as I was saying earlier. But I

00:55:47.460 --> 00:55:52.380
sometimes refer to it as ghosts in the machine, is the analogy I use. There was a lot of clearing

00:55:52.380 --> 00:55:58.180
of the emotional body beforehand, fortunately in my case because of the EFT and the Quantum

00:55:58.180 --> 00:56:00.380
Touch and all the things that I've done.

00:56:00.380 --> 00:56:06.060
They were really helpful stepping stones, but sometimes, you know, like an insight will

00:56:06.060 --> 00:56:08.860
come up and it just clears something.

00:56:08.860 --> 00:56:11.700
I don't spend ages thinking about it, it just happens.

00:56:11.700 --> 00:56:17.420
And I think as long as you've got a body, there's probably stuff like that's going to

00:56:17.420 --> 00:56:18.420
happen.

00:56:18.420 --> 00:56:23.660
What you say about the EFT and Quantum Touch and many other such things is interesting

00:56:23.660 --> 00:56:28.020
because you know there's that saying that you should just dig one deep well, don't try

00:56:28.020 --> 00:56:31.540
to dig a lot of little shallow wells because you'll never hit water.

00:56:31.540 --> 00:56:35.420
But another way of putting it might be to, you know, okay but maybe use ten different

00:56:35.420 --> 00:56:37.580
tools to dig the one deep well.

00:56:37.580 --> 00:56:40.460
You know, you need a pickaxe and a drill and a this and a that.

00:56:40.460 --> 00:56:46.620
So it can be useful to have a toolkit of different things that can help you along.

00:56:46.620 --> 00:56:59.620
Sure, what I found with those is that they were basically what, as I was going through that process, which was quite intense and sure, was that each one had a different entry point.

00:56:59.620 --> 00:57:09.620
There was a dawning awareness, a realization that these aren't it, and I could see that there was a golden thread at that point, that I just didn't know what that was.

00:57:09.620 --> 00:57:14.620
These aren't it, meaning this technique isn't going to be the be-all and end-all, but it's useful? Is that what you're saying?

00:57:14.620 --> 00:57:20.540
Yeah exactly that, exactly that and so I could see I thought this this isn't quite it, this

00:57:20.540 --> 00:57:27.180
isn't quite it, it's really good EFT, quantum touch really good, reconnective healing really

00:57:27.180 --> 00:57:33.100
good but it wasn't it and I knew that it wasn't it and I was kind of sense I was sensing this

00:57:33.100 --> 00:57:39.260
golden thread emerging and when Spheres bit came through that was another part of it that

00:57:39.260 --> 00:57:44.500
That wasn't quite it because that used to have big energetic shifts, not just for me, but

00:57:44.500 --> 00:57:47.620
for the people as I was explaining earlier.

00:57:47.620 --> 00:57:53.740
And then the dawning realization with the infinite silence, it was awareness.

00:57:53.740 --> 00:57:59.140
It was awareness that was going to dissolve all of the crap, the emotional body.

00:57:59.140 --> 00:58:05.140
So now when I'm guiding people, particularly people who are kind of on the path, so to speak,

00:58:05.140 --> 00:58:12.100
I'll point them at awareness. This is your, you are that and this is your tool and if you let this

00:58:12.100 --> 00:58:21.940
emotional release, this wave or tsunami of emotion occur in front of awareness, there's only one

00:58:21.940 --> 00:58:27.780
thing that's going to happen and it's going to dissolve. It's going to fade to silence. So I

00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:34.340
endlessly talk to people about understanding, recognizing awareness, trusting awareness and

00:58:34.340 --> 00:58:37.280
and that will clear the emotional body.

00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:42.180
However, for some people who are in unstable positions

00:58:42.180 --> 00:58:46.360
might be getting psychiatric help or psychotherapy help,

00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:48.940
then that's probably too big a step.

00:58:48.940 --> 00:58:52.060
And there's gonna be other things like these tools

00:58:52.060 --> 00:58:55.040
that have become very, very useful for those people

00:58:55.040 --> 00:58:58.060
to get people to a kind of point of stability

00:58:58.060 --> 00:58:59.980
where they can trust awareness.

00:58:59.980 --> 00:59:02.460
'Cause as you know, just as well as I,

00:59:02.460 --> 00:59:06.700
spiritual journey isn't a bed of roses at times, you know, you've really got to face the music,

00:59:06.700 --> 00:59:12.460
so to speak, and that's very important. So, this kind of stability is very, very important,

00:59:12.460 --> 00:59:16.860
but ultimately it's the awareness, it's the awareness that you're looking for.

00:59:16.860 --> 00:59:21.660
Yeah, as you were talking, I was thinking, I'm still a little bit incredulous to some extent,

00:59:21.660 --> 00:59:27.340
because you seem to have taken to it like a duck to water, but I'm thinking of the general audience,

00:59:27.340 --> 00:59:32.140
and the general audience that you encounter, and perhaps some of the people just feel a little

00:59:32.140 --> 00:59:35.420
frustrated because they say, "Well, I'm not getting it the way Philip got it. It was so

00:59:35.420 --> 00:59:41.140
easy for him. What's my problem?" And you have in your notes here, you say the fundamental

00:59:41.140 --> 00:59:45.820
block to self-realization, and then you just refer to people that might need to see a psychiatrist

00:59:45.820 --> 00:59:51.460
or something like that. So, obviously, we're all at different stages of development, and

00:59:51.460 --> 00:59:57.100
some people do take to it like a duck to water, and others might think, "Well, this is rubbish.

00:59:57.100 --> 01:00:01.100
I'm not even interested." Or others might say, "Well, I'm interested, but golly, my life

01:00:01.100 --> 01:00:07.220
is so difficult. There's so many different possibilities. And so, how do you accommodate

01:00:07.220 --> 01:00:12.300
yourself to all these different varieties of human beings?

01:00:12.300 --> 01:00:16.340
One of the things I have on my website is that if you want to have this upfront thing,

01:00:16.340 --> 01:00:20.940
if people want to have a one-to-one with me, for instance, or you come into an event, I

01:00:20.940 --> 01:00:25.060
say things like, "This isn't a bed of roses. It's not a fluffy bunny. You kind of have

01:00:25.060 --> 01:00:29.180
to be ready." And I even have this caveat saying, "Look, if you're under psychiatric

01:00:29.180 --> 01:00:34.060
treatment or psychotherapy, don't come. And I've said to people don't come for that reason.

01:00:34.060 --> 01:00:38.860
Or maybe come a year from now once you've... Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I've even had some people

01:00:38.860 --> 01:00:42.540
who've been at an event, and they've just not been ready for it. And I said, look,

01:00:42.540 --> 01:00:48.860
you're not ready for this. You really need to go away and do X, Y and Z and spend time with them,

01:00:48.860 --> 01:00:55.020
get guiding them, pointing them in that direction, and then later come back. So I'm very clear about

01:00:55.020 --> 01:01:00.140
that but apart from the few occasions where that has been an issue and it has been cropped up in a few

01:01:00.140 --> 01:01:07.180
times what I find is or the kind of if you can say it's put out there is that people that have come

01:01:07.180 --> 01:01:13.340
and you know showed up they've usually felt called and they're ready to hear this I'll ask as many

01:01:13.340 --> 01:01:19.340
times as I can why are you here whether it's on a live stream or you know why are you here why

01:01:19.340 --> 01:01:24.220
you listening to this now with Rick and

01:01:24.220 --> 01:01:25.980
Philip speaking? Why are you here? You

01:01:25.980 --> 01:01:28.620
know, people say it many ways but usually

01:01:28.620 --> 01:01:31.260
they feel called to be here

01:01:31.260 --> 01:01:32.780
and then I know that I can guide them

01:01:32.780 --> 01:01:34.460
and some people

01:01:34.460 --> 01:01:36.460
using the analogies you used earlier

01:01:36.460 --> 01:01:38.780
about the stone, one of the guys

01:01:38.780 --> 01:01:40.460
helped quite a bit, he used exactly that

01:01:40.460 --> 01:01:42.300
same, you know, I says I'm the stone

01:01:42.300 --> 01:01:43.820
guy

01:01:43.820 --> 01:01:46.060
and there are some people like that and

01:01:46.060 --> 01:01:49.100
there are others who are just like

01:01:46.060 --> 01:01:52.460
they just open up. But Jesus used the, remember the parable of the sower where you throw the seeds on

01:01:52.460 --> 01:01:57.100
the ground and some of it is rough stony ground, nothing happens, some of it is fertile but it's

01:01:57.100 --> 01:02:02.940
only an inch deep, so it sprouts but then it dies and then some of it lands on deep fertile soil and

01:02:02.940 --> 01:02:07.500
it really grows. Yeah, exactly, and I see all of that. I see a spectrum of that with the people

01:02:07.500 --> 01:02:15.820
that I see. Usually it's people, without trying to sort of overgeneralize, people kind of lost

01:02:15.820 --> 01:02:20.780
in the intellect and trying to understand it too much and trying to get it from the mind,

01:02:20.780 --> 01:02:26.620
those are the ones that tend to sort of struggle more. Whereas if there was a spectrum, people are

01:02:26.620 --> 01:02:32.300
kind of like ready and I'm ready to trust and I'll just go with my heart. They tend to open up more

01:02:32.300 --> 01:02:37.260
easily. Yeah, and about the intellect people, you know, "seek and ye shall find, where there's a

01:02:37.260 --> 01:02:41.900
will there's a way, one thing leads to the next" and that might be a phase that they'll grow out of.

01:02:42.460 --> 01:02:45.900
"Oh yeah, I don't think there's anything

01:02:45.900 --> 01:02:47.100
wrong in it, it's just a different set of

01:02:47.100 --> 01:02:50.060
conditioning."

01:02:50.060 --> 01:02:51.900
Some people need to control this

01:02:51.900 --> 01:02:54.300
and they try to control it by

01:02:54.300 --> 01:02:56.780
understanding it from the intellect and

01:02:56.780 --> 01:02:58.780
manage the spiritual process,

01:02:58.780 --> 01:03:00.140
whereas in reality you've got no control

01:03:00.140 --> 01:03:02.780
over it at all.

01:03:02.780 --> 01:03:03.500
Kind of tough when you come at it from

01:03:03.500 --> 01:03:05.820
the mind.

01:03:05.820 --> 01:03:07.500
Which reminds me of something I heard

01:03:07.500 --> 01:03:08.380
you say in one of the talks you sent me

01:03:08.380 --> 01:03:10.620
which was

01:03:10.620 --> 01:03:11.500
about neo-advaita, you know, which always

01:03:10.620 --> 01:03:15.180
strikes me as mistaking of intellectual understanding for actual realization.

01:03:15.180 --> 01:03:19.820
And I've run into a number of these people over the years and interviewed a

01:03:19.820 --> 01:03:23.420
few of them and there are actually people these days, Jessica Nathanson is

01:03:23.420 --> 01:03:27.220
one, there's a girl in Germany, Tim Freak, another person, who are kind of on a

01:03:27.220 --> 01:03:32.180
campaign to bust that bubble because it actually has a deleterious effect on a

01:03:32.180 --> 01:03:37.980
lot of people. I've seen that too, by the way, that deleterious effect.

01:03:37.980 --> 01:03:43.100
the way things opened up for me, some of this stuff came to me after the fact and I started to see that

01:03:43.100 --> 01:03:50.460
and I thought what's Neo-Advita and then I started seeing it and I thought wow really and I could

01:03:50.460 --> 01:03:57.900
sort of see at what some level that what it did is kind of stepped people out of their mind and had

01:03:57.900 --> 01:04:05.260
at some level it could have a benefit but what I saw happening and I've seen it happen, various

01:04:05.260 --> 01:04:09.980
people come to mind is that they're going to run into a brick wall at some point

01:04:09.980 --> 01:04:16.220
and I've seen this happen with various people who tried to take this really deep intellectual

01:04:16.220 --> 01:04:22.140
understanding of it and kind of bypass all the emotional energy that's stored in the body and

01:04:22.140 --> 01:04:26.940
you can't do that in the end. Yeah, I could just hear one of them saying in response to that,

01:04:26.940 --> 01:04:30.620
"Well there is no emotional energy because it's all an illusion and there is no body

01:04:30.620 --> 01:04:34.060
And don't worry about practices because that implies that there's a practicer.

01:04:34.060 --> 01:04:37.020
So chuck that. Just realize you're already enlightened.

01:04:37.020 --> 01:04:42.780
And basically you're going to run into a brick wall is what I've seen multiple people do.

01:04:42.780 --> 01:04:49.980
I've heard people, know people, and I've seen people who were advocates of that run into those

01:04:49.980 --> 01:04:55.340
walls. I'm not going to, you know, we're just going to get into sort of speaking about people,

01:04:55.340 --> 01:04:59.660
but I've seen it all, seen all those things happen. I say seen it all, seen those things happen.

01:05:00.380 --> 01:05:04.460
and it's sad in a way, but it's just part of their path in another way.

01:05:04.460 --> 01:05:07.660
Yeah, and I don't want to sound holier than thou, or...

01:05:07.660 --> 01:05:12.060
No, absolutely. It's a different route, that's all.

01:05:12.060 --> 01:05:16.620
Yeah, well that's an interesting point in itself. There can be routes that one takes,

01:05:16.620 --> 01:05:20.140
which you look back on 20 years ago and you thought, "Well, that was kind of stupid,

01:05:20.140 --> 01:05:25.020
but hey, you know, that's where I was 20 years ago, and now I'm here, and one thing led to the next."

01:05:25.020 --> 01:05:29.500
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You might have done some things, think, "Well, you know..."

01:05:29.500 --> 01:05:35.740
But actually it just all went led to that. It just all went to that. So I don't see it as wrong or right.

01:05:35.740 --> 01:05:42.060
When I see it, those kinds of things, I just feel the word the silence gave me for all of this,

01:05:42.060 --> 01:05:47.020
because the kind of question came up, why share? Why share? And it was just got...

01:05:47.020 --> 01:05:47.900
What do you mean why share?

01:05:47.900 --> 01:05:49.500
Why share the message?

01:05:49.500 --> 01:05:50.780
Why should you?

01:05:50.780 --> 01:05:54.540
Yeah, why should I share the message of self-realization? You know, like, you know,

01:05:54.540 --> 01:05:59.180
know it's all okay at this absolute level and I got the words compelling

01:05:59.180 --> 01:06:04.220
compassion. Yeah there you go. It's a compelling compassion so when I see

01:06:04.220 --> 01:06:08.980
whatever it is whether it's somebody who's new to the path or somebody who

01:06:08.980 --> 01:06:12.860
might be if there is no this there is no the other kind of a point in the

01:06:12.860 --> 01:06:18.420
spectrum there's just this compelling compassion it's just there it's like I

01:06:18.420 --> 01:06:25.420
I know who you are, I can see the identity overlay, and that's not who you are.

01:06:25.420 --> 01:06:28.420
And it's just this profound compassion that I feel.

01:06:28.420 --> 01:06:33.420
It reminds me of a story of Sri Ramakrishna, when Vivekananda had his realization.

01:06:33.420 --> 01:06:36.420
He came to Ramakrishna and said, "Oh, this is so wonderful.

01:06:36.420 --> 01:06:39.420
Now I just want to go to the Himalayas and sit in Samadhi for the rest of my life."

01:06:39.420 --> 01:06:43.420
And Ramakrishna said, "Oh, I'm so disappointed in you.

01:06:43.420 --> 01:06:47.420
I expected you to go out and help the people, you know, do something with this."

01:06:47.420 --> 01:06:54.700
Yeah, absolutely. I did ask that question. I remember in the spheres of light phase,

01:06:54.700 --> 01:07:02.100
just before the full realization, I was doing this talk in my hometown in Manchester and

01:07:02.100 --> 01:07:06.020
Sue turned around to me and said, "Why are you doing this?" And I thought, "What a

01:07:06.020 --> 01:07:11.740
great question." And I kind of just stopped and closed my eyes. And about two seconds

01:07:11.740 --> 01:07:15.720
later I said, "He's bursting out of me." And she thought, "That's a good answer."

01:07:15.720 --> 01:07:18.320
So I went ahead and did the talk.

01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:23.360
But then the question came up again, perfection, if you like, if you can call it that, the

01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:29.960
absolute essence, it seemed like, well, so what, kind of like, what is the reason then

01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:30.960
for sharing?

01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:35.920
And that's when the "it's a compelling compassion" came up and I thought, okay, and that did it

01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:36.920
for me.

01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:40.880
I thought, okay, because Philip was resisting kind of the idea of sharing.

01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:43.120
And then I thought, okay, that's why I'm sharing.

01:07:43.120 --> 01:07:47.000
It reminds me of the 23rd Psalm, that phrase, "My cup runneth over."

01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:50.120
You know, once the cup is full, it overflows.

01:07:50.120 --> 01:07:54.760
And you can just think of every spiritual luminary throughout history.

01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:57.240
I keep quoting Jesus today for some reason.

01:07:57.240 --> 01:07:59.400
They didn't hide their light under a bushel.

01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:05.000
They felt compelled to be an instrument of the divine, not just to enjoy it for themselves,

01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:08.000
but to, you know, enable others to enjoy it.

01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:17.000
Yeah, and that's what it feels like. It's kind of like this listening process going on saying this way now, that way now, kind of this next.

01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:27.000
It's kind of like that and I wouldn't say claimed affection on that but the things that have unfolded have unfolded because this essence wanted it to unfold.

01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:33.000
And the things that hasn't necessarily come as easily because the mind was trying to get involved in making it happen.

01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:38.520
And it's far easier when it just flows and it comes from within.

01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:39.520
Yeah.

01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:45.160
And that includes anything I write down, endless videos I've recorded, like, "Talk about this

01:08:45.160 --> 01:08:47.680
today, five minute video, done.

01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:49.560
Don't think about it, just do it."

01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:50.560
Nice.

01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:53.240
St. Francis, "Lord, make me an instrument of thy peace."

01:08:53.240 --> 01:08:54.240
Yeah.

01:08:54.240 --> 01:08:55.960
You know, that whole beautiful prayer.

01:08:55.960 --> 01:08:56.960
Yeah.

01:08:56.960 --> 01:09:02.160
One of the notes you sent me was just the line, "There's no spiritual bypass."

01:09:02.160 --> 01:09:03.560
What did you mean by that?

01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:08.560
Yeah, this was a term I came across again after the realization,

01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:12.560
because obviously I've gone through all these complementary therapy things.

01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:14.960
And I started hearing this term.

01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:16.060
John Wellwood.

01:09:16.060 --> 01:09:16.360
Yeah.

01:09:16.360 --> 01:09:17.260
I coined it.

01:09:17.260 --> 01:09:18.560
I found out it was John Wellwood.

01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:21.260
I thought, where's this come from?

01:09:21.260 --> 01:09:23.160
What on earth is a spiritual bypass?

01:09:23.160 --> 01:09:24.760
And I found a wiki article.

01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:25.260
Oh, right.

01:09:25.260 --> 01:09:26.460
Okay, John Wellwood.

01:09:26.460 --> 01:09:27.760
And I thought, oh, yeah, okay.

01:09:27.760 --> 01:09:29.660
I can see what he's getting at now.

01:09:29.660 --> 01:09:32.380
because I was wondering what spiritual bypass was.

01:09:32.380 --> 01:09:37.500
And obviously that's the kind of there is no whatever and then you're kind of

01:09:37.500 --> 01:09:42.620
forgetting to address something I'm quite keen on people recognizing that

01:09:42.620 --> 01:09:47.580
there's this emotional body and whether you like it or not

01:09:47.580 --> 01:09:51.660
as you deepen into awareness, awareness is going to like jet wash you

01:09:51.660 --> 01:09:55.580
from the inside and it's going to show you all this crap that you've been

01:09:55.580 --> 01:10:01.180
carrying and it's going to go so here you are have a look at this and if you're not ready for that

01:10:01.180 --> 01:10:06.140
that can be challenging so I sort of say to people you know there isn't a bypass you're going to have

01:10:06.140 --> 01:10:12.220
to face this stuff it's going to come up at some point and here are the ways that you can address

01:10:12.220 --> 01:10:18.780
this so people will try to bypass but that's a delusion that's kind of like the neo advita type

01:10:18.780 --> 01:10:24.140
stuff we were talking about you know there is no this there is no the other whatever but actually

01:10:24.140 --> 01:10:31.260
you know you've had 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years in this body and I can tell you from direct experience that

01:10:31.260 --> 01:10:37.260
all of that is stored in your emotional body and at some point it's going to come out and I've seen

01:10:37.260 --> 01:10:45.580
it so often. So for me the whole idea of trying to bypass this is a it's like a delusion and it's

01:10:45.580 --> 01:10:51.820
better to come at it from a space of awareness rather than trying to do something that ultimately

01:10:51.820 --> 01:10:54.140
is impossible, which is bypassing.

01:10:54.140 --> 01:10:59.460
It seems to me that pretty much everybody has stuff bottled up, and if you don't do

01:10:59.460 --> 01:11:04.340
anything about it, it'll just plague you your entire life, influencing your behavior

01:11:04.340 --> 01:11:06.820
patterns and things like that.

01:11:06.820 --> 01:11:11.900
And processing it, actually resolving it, can be uncomfortable.

01:11:11.900 --> 01:11:17.100
And so there's a tendency to want to avoid that, but things are so much better off if

01:11:17.100 --> 01:11:20.420
you do deal with it and process it and rid yourself of it.

01:11:20.420 --> 01:11:24.380
almost like to take a simple example,

01:11:24.380 --> 01:11:26.900
almost like the heroin addict who

01:11:26.900 --> 01:11:28.740
doesn't want the withdrawal symptoms, so

01:11:28.740 --> 01:11:31.140
he takes some more heroin and then that

01:11:31.140 --> 01:11:32.500
makes the problem even worse and you

01:11:32.500 --> 01:11:35.020
know he can go on like that for a long,

01:11:35.020 --> 01:11:37.300
long time just trying to keep all that

01:11:37.300 --> 01:11:38.900
pain bottled up, but sooner or later you have to

01:11:38.900 --> 01:11:41.500
go through, what do they call it,

01:11:41.500 --> 01:11:42.820
withdrawal and process it and then

01:11:42.820 --> 01:11:45.980
you're in the clear and then you're no

01:11:45.980 --> 01:11:47.980
longer plagued by this baggage you've

01:11:47.980 --> 01:11:49.500
been carrying around. Yeah, because it

01:11:47.980 --> 01:11:54.300
affects your behaviors even unconsciously. You might not be aware that this belief or this

01:11:54.300 --> 01:12:00.700
experience, this trauma, for which I have profound compassion because anybody you look at has got

01:12:00.700 --> 01:12:06.060
some of that there somewhere in their system. And whether I'm unusual on this, I don't know,

01:12:06.060 --> 01:12:11.420
but the view I took was if it's there, let's face it and let's deal with it head on.

01:12:11.420 --> 01:12:15.580
Well, that's good. I don't know if you're unusual, but I think we all have a tendency to,

01:12:15.580 --> 01:12:20.300
you don't want to jump into cold water, you stick your toe in and then maybe your foot,

01:12:20.300 --> 01:12:24.780
and it might be easier to just jump in and get it over with.

01:12:24.780 --> 01:12:28.460
What I found is life presents you the opportunities.

01:12:28.460 --> 01:12:28.700
Yeah.

01:12:28.700 --> 01:12:33.180
So I'll say to people that you don't particularly need to go looking for this.

01:12:33.180 --> 01:12:41.740
What you'll find is that relationships, events, places will present you the opportunity.

01:12:41.740 --> 01:12:47.180
And so when the trigger arises, I refer to it as a treasure, triggers are treasures.

01:12:47.180 --> 01:12:53.260
And I then say that's not a challenge. It's an invitation from, oh, hang on a minute,

01:12:53.260 --> 01:12:59.420
Rick or Jane or Joe, you've been carrying this now for 20 years, 30 years or whatever.

01:12:59.420 --> 01:13:06.540
Now is the time because this event has arisen for you to face it. And if you're ready to look at it

01:13:06.540 --> 01:13:14.060
from the space of awareness in that moment, then just by literally looking at it from within,

01:13:14.060 --> 01:13:20.780
trusting only that awareness, feeling it in the body, this tsunami will just fall away.

01:13:20.780 --> 01:13:28.380
And what I've guided hundreds of people with that in person, online, whatever, and consistently when

01:13:28.380 --> 01:13:36.880
they allow that to happen, they go through, it comes in waves, it falls away, and then

01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:42.540
often sadness will crop up. And I'll just say, "I'm feeling sad now," so that's great,

01:13:42.540 --> 01:13:47.700
because that's a letting go energy. I've witnessed the sadness, and when the sadness goes, I

01:13:47.700 --> 01:13:54.460
say, "What's here now?" and they see stillness, peace, silence. So, these invitations, these

01:13:54.460 --> 01:13:56.700
triggers are invitations, are treasures.

01:13:56.700 --> 01:14:02.380
which has an interesting implication, which is that life is not a series of accidents.

01:14:02.380 --> 01:14:08.220
It's meaningful. Everything that happens is actually a potential lesson for us,

01:14:08.220 --> 01:14:11.820
or an opportunity to grow in some way.

01:14:11.820 --> 01:14:16.060
Every experience, I would say, you know, some are, might be trivial,

01:14:16.060 --> 01:14:19.900
like putting the dishes in the dishwasher or whatever,

01:14:19.900 --> 01:14:25.740
but at the heart of every experience is an invitation to this.

01:14:25.740 --> 01:14:32.460
And these big ones, people might like to have profound spiritual experiences, blissful states,

01:14:32.460 --> 01:14:38.220
and they're great, but they're also invitations because they're not it. They're not it. There's

01:14:38.220 --> 01:14:45.340
a witness even to those profound ones that's completely still and untouched and silent and

01:14:45.340 --> 01:14:51.500
moved. And that's an invitation for you to go deeper. And the emotional release is just another

01:14:51.500 --> 01:14:57.180
manifestation of that, you might label one good and one bad, but take that label away,

01:14:57.180 --> 01:15:03.820
and they're both just imputations. I was talking to a friend yesterday who is 51, and since the age

01:15:03.820 --> 01:15:10.860
of 15 she's had chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia and stuff like that, and I can tell

01:15:10.860 --> 01:15:16.940
she can't even walk very fast, she has low energy, and she's saying, "But you know, I realize that

01:15:16.940 --> 01:15:22.620
Everything is a gift. You know, I feel like this has taught me a lot about patience, about tolerance,

01:15:22.620 --> 01:15:28.460
and about my own body. She doesn't have poor me syndrome. It's more like there's some kind of

01:15:28.460 --> 01:15:35.100
wisdom guiding life and this is meant to happen for a reason and I'm just trying to extract

01:15:35.100 --> 01:15:39.580
maximum insight from it, you know, rather than feel bad about it.

01:15:39.580 --> 01:15:44.700
That's a good place to be. I've come across people with chronic fatigue syndrome and that's very

01:15:44.700 --> 01:15:49.260
debilitating as you well know and if

01:15:49.260 --> 01:15:51.660
she's in that space with it and is at

01:15:51.660 --> 01:15:52.860
peace with it then there's a reason

01:15:52.860 --> 01:15:56.300
that's showing up

01:15:56.300 --> 01:15:59.580
and there's an invitation there that

01:15:59.580 --> 01:16:01.980
is unique to her experience. It's not

01:16:01.980 --> 01:16:04.300
better or worse than anybody else's.

01:16:04.300 --> 01:16:06.540
It would be my perspective on that.

01:16:06.540 --> 01:16:08.460
Of course we would all prefer to just be

01:16:08.460 --> 01:16:09.900
radiantly healthy and have plenty of

01:16:09.900 --> 01:16:11.420
money and great relationships and

01:16:11.420 --> 01:16:13.340
everything's going well but

01:16:13.340 --> 01:16:14.460
if that was the way life was supposed to

01:16:13.340 --> 01:16:17.880
to be, it would be. That's what you said earlier, "What's my relationships like?" and I forgot

01:16:17.880 --> 01:16:23.660
to answer that bit. I would say relationships are good. Yeah, there was a famous line by

01:16:23.660 --> 01:16:27.900
Ram Dass, "If you think you're enlightened, go spend a weekend with your parents." Yeah,

01:16:27.900 --> 01:16:32.820
yeah, I'm aware of that one. I was just chatting, I don't want to go into it too much, but my

01:16:32.820 --> 01:16:38.300
mum died last year and we had like three or four intense weeks, 24/7 in the hospital.

01:16:38.300 --> 01:16:45.820
I was just calm throughout the dip yet I released once she eventually passed but it was noticeable

01:16:45.820 --> 01:16:48.700
I wouldn't have been able to do that.

01:16:48.700 --> 01:16:51.860
Which probably had a much better effect on your mom.

01:16:51.860 --> 01:16:55.300
I was actually shown what was going to happen.

01:16:55.300 --> 01:16:59.220
I saw this expansion taking place.

01:16:59.220 --> 01:17:04.500
So yeah whilst there was a sadness at the end I was shown what was going to happen and that

01:17:04.500 --> 01:17:07.060
was very very very very helpful.

01:17:07.060 --> 01:17:09.460
You mean like a premonition or something?

01:17:09.460 --> 01:17:10.460
Yeah, yeah.

01:17:10.460 --> 01:17:18.380
Now was the time and I kind of saw, I was sharing a vision of mom, kind of like this awe opening

01:17:18.380 --> 01:17:20.500
up within her once she passed.

01:17:20.500 --> 01:17:21.500
Ah, yes.

01:17:21.500 --> 01:17:22.500
That was helpful.

01:17:22.500 --> 01:17:23.740
That was really helpful.

01:17:23.740 --> 01:17:30.140
Yeah, I find it inspiring to interview people and read books about near-death experiences.

01:17:30.140 --> 01:17:34.100
I was doing that years ago, long before I started doing these interviews, just because

01:17:34.100 --> 01:17:40.060
it broadens your perspective beyond the confines of this life and you kind of realize that

01:17:40.060 --> 01:17:45.020
this life is like a brief chapter in a big book and that there's many wonderful chapters

01:17:45.020 --> 01:17:46.020
yet to come.

01:17:46.020 --> 01:17:47.020
Oh yeah, absolutely.

01:17:47.020 --> 01:17:48.020
Yeah, yeah, no, indeed.

01:17:48.020 --> 01:17:54.380
Somewhere in the process I read about near-death experiences and past lives and stuff like

01:17:54.380 --> 01:18:02.780
that and it all made kind of sense to me as the process was unfolding and integrating.

01:18:02.780 --> 01:18:09.420
really helpful for people to touch on some of that stuff because it can open people up I found.

01:18:09.420 --> 01:18:16.140
I remember seeing a guy called Dr. Lloyd Rudy. He was a heart surgeon. I'm not sure where he was.

01:18:16.140 --> 01:18:19.980
Anyway, I think he's passed over now, but he was being interviewed by another doctor.

01:18:19.980 --> 01:18:25.420
And basically he was describing this experience where this guy had basically been dead for 25,

01:18:25.420 --> 01:18:31.020
30 minutes. And he was there at the side of the operating room and they'd left all the kit on.

01:18:31.020 --> 01:18:34.220
and they were thinking was there anything else we could have done you know something else we should

01:18:34.220 --> 01:18:40.220
have done the rest of it and suddenly this guy 25 30 minutes later kicks back into life and this guy

01:18:40.220 --> 01:18:46.140
reports afterwards once he's been brought back to life he'd seen everything happening in the

01:18:46.140 --> 01:18:51.820
operating theater the notes that Lloyd Rudy was being given phone call or everything and he

01:18:51.820 --> 01:18:57.660
couldn't believe it and then he shared this news with his other colleagues around the country and

01:18:57.660 --> 01:19:03.900
they all said, "Oh yeah, we've had one of those."

01:19:03.900 --> 01:19:06.060
Yeah, this is especially true

01:19:06.060 --> 01:19:07.500
in recent years since the resuscitation

01:19:07.500 --> 01:19:08.380
techniques have become so much more

01:19:08.380 --> 01:19:09.740
effective.

01:19:09.740 --> 01:19:11.260
You know, it used to be people would just

01:19:11.260 --> 01:19:11.820
die, but now they get them back to life

01:19:11.820 --> 01:19:13.900
and so

01:19:13.900 --> 01:19:15.500
the incidence of these near-death

01:19:15.500 --> 01:19:17.980
experiences has become quite

01:19:17.980 --> 01:19:19.500
common. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So, I think that's

01:19:19.500 --> 01:19:21.820
something that helps open

01:19:21.820 --> 01:19:22.460
people up. There's this kind of ongoing

01:19:22.460 --> 01:19:23.900
debate.

01:19:23.900 --> 01:19:25.500
In fact, you mentioned the Scientific

01:19:25.500 --> 01:19:27.420
and Medical Network in your notes here,

01:19:25.500 --> 01:19:29.100
here and I've interviewed David Lorimer and other people like Marjorie

01:19:29.100 --> 01:19:33.180
Willicott and people like that who are involved in that, but there's this whole

01:19:33.180 --> 01:19:38.840
issue of the paradigm shift from materialistic, reductionistic thinking to

01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:42.860
the understanding that consciousness is fundamental and so on. Why did you

01:19:42.860 --> 01:19:47.300
mention Scientific and Medical Networking? Because I came across them a

01:19:47.300 --> 01:19:54.500
few years ago through another route and ended up speaking to David Lorimer, who

01:19:54.500 --> 01:20:00.460
you've interviewed. And Peter Fenwick, who is the president emeritus of the network.

01:20:00.460 --> 01:20:07.140
Long story short, Peter has this weekly meditation on a Sunday, so I was invited

01:20:07.140 --> 01:20:11.940
to participate in that and lead one of their Sunday meditations for other

01:20:11.940 --> 01:20:16.700
people. So they seemed to quite like that and then discussed it further with David

01:20:16.700 --> 01:20:20.700
and Peter and said, "Well, you know, why don't I do an event for you?" So I ended up doing

01:20:20.700 --> 01:20:26.220
one of their events online three or four years ago and I realized that whilst they were interested

01:20:26.220 --> 01:20:31.260
in meditation and do loads of stuff around this paradigm shift and what have you, I wasn't quite

01:20:31.260 --> 01:20:35.180
sure whether they were going to be ready for what I was going to share so I thought well okay well

01:20:35.180 --> 01:20:40.460
I'll take them on a journey because I like to make it experiential for people so I explained all this

01:20:40.460 --> 01:20:45.660
to Peter what I was going to do and he was happy with that. Right at the beginning I said I want

01:20:45.660 --> 01:20:48.460
I want to kind of get a feel for you guys because,

01:20:48.460 --> 01:20:50.600
so I asked, I think it was three or four questions

01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:53.160
about how many were regular meditators,

01:20:53.160 --> 01:20:55.680
how many had had a profound spiritual experience

01:20:55.680 --> 01:20:57.820
or expansive sense of consciousness

01:20:57.820 --> 01:21:00.520
that they couldn't explain, things like that.

01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:03.340
And 80 odd percent were regular meditators.

01:21:03.340 --> 01:21:04.860
I think there was something like that.

01:21:04.860 --> 01:21:08.560
No, 60, 70% were regular meditators.

01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:11.880
80 odd percent had had a profound spiritual experience,

01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:15.180
but only 40% of them knew what it was about.

01:21:15.180 --> 01:21:17.700
And these were people who were scientists, medics,

01:21:17.700 --> 01:21:19.620
and people interested in that kind of thing.

01:21:19.620 --> 01:21:21.340
And I thought, "Wow, that's interesting."

01:21:21.340 --> 01:21:22.620
So I took them all on the journey

01:21:22.620 --> 01:21:25.620
and it kind of just was really profound for them.

01:21:25.620 --> 01:21:27.500
Peter emailed me the next day and said,

01:21:27.500 --> 01:21:28.940
"That was absolutely brilliant.

01:21:28.940 --> 01:21:31.140
"I've had emails coming in from everywhere."

01:21:31.140 --> 01:21:33.020
And so it was kind of interesting

01:21:33.020 --> 01:21:35.520
because here are people who are,

01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:37.820
you wouldn't necessarily put in this,

01:21:37.820 --> 01:21:40.780
you know, scientists, medics, people interested in,

01:21:40.780 --> 01:21:42.960
applied scientists and so forth,

01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:47.480
really being touched by this. But that

01:21:47.480 --> 01:21:49.680
group is very consciousness oriented, they're

01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:51.960
interested in this kind of stuff. But then

01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:55.400
I read recently, I was in touch with,

01:21:55.400 --> 01:21:57.200
was it Marjorie Wallachar, via David, because

01:21:57.200 --> 01:21:58.760
there was an Indian guy who contacted me,

01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:00.880
wanted to do some research on

01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:03.360
Kundalini. He was going through a

01:22:03.360 --> 01:22:05.360
Kundalini awakening and then Marjorie sent

01:22:05.360 --> 01:22:08.120
me some papers that she'd referred to

01:22:08.120 --> 01:22:10.480
that I'd heard of earlier. And one of

01:22:10.480 --> 01:22:12.200
those papers focused around people who

01:22:10.480 --> 01:22:14.880
scientists who've all had some kind of

01:22:14.880 --> 01:22:16.360
spiritual awakening type experience. That

01:22:16.360 --> 01:22:18.640
was kind of interesting reading those as

01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:21.720
well. I think these were people who weren't

01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:23.320
necessarily meditators. Yeah, I think there's

01:22:23.320 --> 01:22:25.720
something in the water, so to speak. I

01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:27.400
mean, these days, well, even people like

01:22:27.400 --> 01:22:29.720
yourself. Here you were the 60 hour a week

01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:31.440
civil engineer and this whole

01:22:31.440 --> 01:22:32.960
spiritual awakening bubbled up and

01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:36.200
that's happening more and more, I think.

01:22:36.200 --> 01:22:38.560
There's some kind of ambient uprise

01:22:36.200 --> 01:22:40.880
in the level of world consciousness that

01:22:40.880 --> 01:22:42.840
is lifting all boats, at least those

01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:45.800
which aren't firmly anchored to the mud.

01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:47.960
Yeah, yeah, no, I feel like I see it.

01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:49.720
Sometimes I refer to it as we're

01:22:49.720 --> 01:22:53.160
standing on the shoulders of spiritual

01:22:53.160 --> 01:22:55.160
giants. There's, well, I was it 15,000 years

01:22:55.160 --> 01:22:58.040
since A.D. Yoga or whatever, something's

01:22:58.040 --> 01:22:59.600
happened in that time. Consciousness has

01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:01.640
gradually been rising, and yeah, it looks

01:23:01.640 --> 01:23:03.920
pretty messy if you listen to the

01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:05.760
news right now. Right. Well, what I've been

01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:08.000
shown is that's kind of like the

01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:10.320
collective release that's going on. All

01:23:10.320 --> 01:23:12.320
of this has to come to the surface. Yeah,

01:23:12.320 --> 01:23:13.640
let's talk about that some more. A question

01:23:13.640 --> 01:23:16.320
did come in which I'll ask you in a bit.

01:23:16.320 --> 01:23:18.960
Talk about your vision, your

01:23:18.960 --> 01:23:21.360
perspective on the whole world situation and

01:23:21.360 --> 01:23:23.280
the prospects for a better world and

01:23:23.280 --> 01:23:24.800
you know things like that because that

01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:26.800
world does seem to be going to

01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:29.160
hell in a handbasket in many areas and

01:23:29.160 --> 01:23:31.280
people are rightfully concerned about

01:23:31.280 --> 01:23:33.800
these things. Yeah, I've had some

01:23:31.280 --> 01:23:36.240
insights around this without getting into too much controversial stuff but around

01:23:36.240 --> 01:23:41.360
COVID I was shown a lot of stuff and I was called to do a series of online

01:23:41.360 --> 01:23:47.360
events there that varied from people who had never meditated before, I was doing

01:23:47.360 --> 01:23:52.080
lots of meditations, introducing people to meditation, through to I ended up

01:23:52.080 --> 01:23:56.520
doing this live stream mid COVID and it was called, the title I was given was

01:23:56.520 --> 01:24:01.520
was this earthquake, this earthquake, a shift in consciousness.

01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:05.360
And there's a whole series of insights

01:24:05.360 --> 01:24:09.680
that had come from the silence that we talked about earlier,

01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:13.240
that was made clear that I needed to share.

01:24:13.240 --> 01:24:16.320
So I guided people through that on a live stream,

01:24:16.320 --> 01:24:19.820
gave them, and the day after I'd done that,

01:24:19.820 --> 01:24:22.120
I got this insight that came through.

01:24:22.120 --> 01:24:23.920
I can't remember the full detail of it now,

01:24:23.920 --> 01:24:28.800
the live streams on my YouTube channel and it was something like the world's in a deeper

01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:35.840
place now, the world's in a deeper place now. So what was being shown there was that whoever

01:24:35.840 --> 01:24:42.560
people wanted to attribute that whole thing to, for whatever reason that was there and I now realize

01:24:42.560 --> 01:24:48.160
after the fact I was shown that this was going to happen. I didn't know what was going to happen

01:24:48.160 --> 01:24:55.280
precisely but this event was going to happen, a worldwide event and this was somehow the whole

01:24:55.280 --> 01:25:02.080
of that process was necessary and the insights on that live stream were about some of the things

01:25:02.080 --> 01:25:08.640
that I had seen at that time and in that process the world was shifting with this kind of, you

01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:15.040
talked about the tide rising but with the tide rising like I was saying earlier as the tide rises

01:25:15.040 --> 01:25:21.040
as the awareness arises within you, all of the collective rubbish that we're either carrying

01:25:21.040 --> 01:25:27.360
individually or collectively, somehow that has to come out and it looks pretty chaotic.

01:25:27.360 --> 01:25:32.880
And it's a bit like it's darkest before the dawn. It kind of feels like that. But I feel this phase

01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:39.120
is really quite long from what I've been shown. I'm talking a long time. Decades. Yeah, beyond my

01:25:39.120 --> 01:25:44.160
lifetime, beyond yours. So do you think that we could look at history as being a, you know, all

01:25:44.160 --> 01:25:51.600
the plagues and pandemics and wars and genocides and all these things as being a necessary purging

01:25:51.600 --> 01:25:57.520
of rubbish or symptomatic of that anyway? Symptomatic of it, a function of it, yeah,

01:25:57.520 --> 01:26:03.920
all of those things. At the human level, of course, it looks horrific. You know, some of the events

01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:09.360
that we've experienced as humanity, even right now, there's plenty of it that's horrific. But

01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:20.080
somehow all of this process is unfolding and all of this is happening and it's a pretty noisy

01:26:20.080 --> 01:26:25.600
phase, but somehow it has to happen. It's very hypothetical, but I wonder if people could be more

01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:32.080
proactively on the spiritual path in greater numbers. I wonder if the severity of these

01:26:32.080 --> 01:26:38.720
turbulences could be diminished, sort of like if static electricity and clouds could be somehow

01:26:38.720 --> 01:26:42.960
drained off slowly rather than

01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:45.280
allowed to build up, then we wouldn't have

01:26:45.280 --> 01:26:47.200
huge lightning strikes. It could just be a

01:26:47.200 --> 01:26:49.280
cloudy day or something like that.

01:26:49.280 --> 01:26:50.080
There's some truth in that. The more

01:26:50.080 --> 01:26:52.400
people that

01:26:52.400 --> 01:26:53.920
will be meditating, opening to this and

01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:55.840
so forth, all of that is

01:26:55.840 --> 01:26:57.600
definitely helping. In fact, I think

01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:00.080
there's some research on this.

01:27:00.080 --> 01:27:01.680
There is. That shows the effects of

01:27:01.680 --> 01:27:03.760
people in large groups

01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:05.360
meditating on crime in

01:27:05.360 --> 01:27:07.360
an area and stuff like that.

01:27:05.360 --> 01:27:10.960
I've been in some of those groups. Okay, so I'm certain that that will have an impact both from

01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:15.760
that research but also from direct seeing. Let me see what this question is. It came in.

01:27:15.760 --> 01:27:21.360
This is from someone named Prachi Dixit. Sounds like an Indian name. What do you think about

01:27:21.360 --> 01:27:27.040
sharing knowledge in exchange for money or other material things? Since this is an earth experience,

01:27:27.040 --> 01:27:32.160
how do you balance that? Yeah, it's a great question and it's something that's been a long

01:27:32.160 --> 01:27:38.080
journey I would say. One of the things that happened when the Spheres of Light bit came through,

01:27:38.080 --> 01:27:44.400
the open source bit that I referred to, what that was about was making this freely available.

01:27:44.400 --> 01:27:51.920
There was no entry portal to it. The meditation was there on the website and you could just use it.

01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:56.480
You didn't have to pay Philip or the other people that were helping me at the time to experience

01:27:56.480 --> 01:28:01.360
that it was there and we're providing a load of free resources. And I then got, I remember getting

01:28:01.360 --> 01:28:06.560
this insight. It was at a time when money was fairly tight for Sue and I, but I got this clear insight

01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:11.040
to say you've got to share this for free now. So I used to go and do these events and actually what

01:28:11.040 --> 01:28:16.640
it was was share it for free but you can accept donations. So I sort of said to people just come

01:28:16.640 --> 01:28:22.320
along. So I did that for several years sharing it for free and that was kind of an interesting

01:28:22.320 --> 01:28:28.320
journey because loads of people came and benefited from it greatly. But what started to happen

01:28:28.960 --> 01:28:33.760
fairly quickly was because it was free and nobody paid anything before they came.

01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:40.240
In the 48 hours before the event, I'd get anywhere between 50 and 70% cancellations.

01:28:40.240 --> 01:28:41.840
Because they weren't committed?

01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:44.800
Yeah, because they weren't committed. And there was a bunch of people,

01:28:44.800 --> 01:28:48.800
as long as you're armed on the waiting list, because they would fill up very quickly,

01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:53.120
then I'd then start phoning saying you can come. But I can't come now because...

01:28:53.120 --> 01:28:55.600
Yeah, I had something else scheduled.

01:28:56.960 --> 01:29:01.360
So I realized the insight then came was to do a fixed donation.

01:29:01.360 --> 01:29:06.920
It was a very small sum and that stopped the cancellations dead in their tracks.

01:29:06.920 --> 01:29:08.080
Just like that.

01:29:08.080 --> 01:29:12.360
And what I discovered was that people who were then, even if it was like 10

01:29:12.360 --> 01:29:16.080
quid or 15 quid or whatever it was, what's a quid a pound pound.

01:29:16.080 --> 01:29:16.360
Yeah.

01:29:16.360 --> 01:29:20.400
One pound would be like one 20 to one $30 or something.

01:29:20.400 --> 01:29:20.760
Right.

01:29:20.760 --> 01:29:25.160
Even if it was a relatively small, some people just came because they were committed.

01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:28.080
It wasn't because I was trying to earn money.

01:29:28.080 --> 01:29:31.520
It was because they wanted to be there and they'd spent some money.

01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:36.440
And so what I've been shown is I've got a number of streams now that's

01:29:36.440 --> 01:29:42.280
evolved even further over the years from basically the open source has

01:29:42.280 --> 01:29:44.120
been a principle I've stuck to all the time.

01:29:44.120 --> 01:29:46.720
So everything I share is freely available.

01:29:46.720 --> 01:29:53.640
I've got 260 YouTube videos, 50 live streams on insight timer, tons of stuff.

01:29:53.960 --> 01:29:59.960
There's more than enough material there, but if you want to come to an event or have a one-to-one,

01:29:59.960 --> 01:30:02.960
then there's a donation that you choose to make.

01:30:02.960 --> 01:30:09.960
I remember being asked by this guy, a highly qualified guy, who had come to see me for the first time,

01:30:09.960 --> 01:30:14.960
who'd been on the path for some time but had come across my work and had been really taken by it.

01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:18.960
And he suddenly turned around in exasperation and he said to me, "How much do I have to pay?"

01:30:18.960 --> 01:30:25.600
And I said to him, "Nothing, it's completely free. It's right here for you, right now.

01:30:25.600 --> 01:30:32.160
The question is, are you ready to open to that? You're not paying for this. You will never pay

01:30:32.160 --> 01:30:39.680
for truth. You will never pay for self-realization. But you might pay for, to contribute to the

01:30:39.680 --> 01:30:45.360
lighting, the heating, the food or whatever, because we live in a commercial economy.

01:30:45.360 --> 01:30:51.600
fortunately or unfortunately we live in a commercial economy. So I had a whole phase of looking at the

01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:58.240
difference between a gift economy, like you people say the Native American or first peoples as you

01:30:58.240 --> 01:31:05.200
now call it, was largely a gift economy but it got destroyed by the west and became a commercial

01:31:05.200 --> 01:31:12.080
economy. So we live in a commercial economy and so the matter of the fact is that for now at least

01:31:12.080 --> 01:31:18.800
we pay money for certain things, certain facilities and certain events. So the way I approach it is

01:31:18.800 --> 01:31:23.920
I've got a vast array of material and if people want that for free I say, "There you go, have a

01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:28.640
look at that. There's more than enough stuff there to keep you going for the next two, three years,

01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:34.960
but if you do make a donation then it helps fund more of that." So that's the way we've done Buddha

01:31:34.960 --> 01:31:39.280
at the gas pump is, you know, to make it freely available and you grow it to the point where

01:31:39.920 --> 01:31:45.840
voluntary donations without a lot of arm twisting and fuss enable us to vote all the time. We

01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:51.200
devote to it. Unless you and I can get to the point where the local grocery store and gas station and

01:31:51.200 --> 01:31:56.880
everything else are just going to give us stuff, it's necessary to pay for things. Absolutely,

01:31:56.880 --> 01:32:02.240
indeed, and so that's the fact of life. But the point I like to make to people is you're never

01:32:02.240 --> 01:32:06.880
going to pay for truth. You're never going to pay for that because that's who you are.

01:32:06.880 --> 01:32:13.920
It's priceless. It's priceless, but you might need to contribute to your service that you're

01:32:13.920 --> 01:32:18.960
providing, which is an invaluable service as I see it. Yeah, I mean it's like, I don't know,

01:32:18.960 --> 01:32:24.480
for an analogy perhaps, the water in a reservoir is free water, but it costs money to hook up the

01:32:24.480 --> 01:32:30.080
pipes and filter it and bring it into people's homes and all that stuff. Rain comes down for

01:32:30.080 --> 01:32:35.440
free, but it costs money to the infrastructure to get it into your tap. I was a civil engineer in a

01:32:35.440 --> 01:32:39.480
in a previous life, so I know all about it.

01:32:39.480 --> 01:32:41.880
Oh, there you go, right, that is your thing.

01:32:41.880 --> 01:32:45.040
So, yeah, I don't see a problem. Money

01:32:45.040 --> 01:32:47.360
itself, but here's another part, isn't a

01:32:47.360 --> 01:32:50.320
problem. It's an energy and it's an

01:32:50.320 --> 01:32:53.040
energetic exchange. It's the beliefs

01:32:53.040 --> 01:32:55.680
that people have around it is where the

01:32:55.680 --> 01:32:57.840
problems arise. Just in case anybody still

01:32:57.840 --> 01:33:00.200
has a problem with this, in ancient India, for

01:33:00.200 --> 01:33:01.800
instance, you would join an ashram,

01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:03.320
perhaps, you would serve the guru for a

01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:06.400
number of years, or maybe you'd bring a cow as a gift or something like that. It was called

01:33:06.400 --> 01:33:10.900
a dakshina and service was a thing. And so, you know, there was always an understanding

01:33:10.900 --> 01:33:16.240
that there had to be some kind of support on a material level in order for this non-material

01:33:16.240 --> 01:33:17.960
priceless teaching to be disseminated.

01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:23.320
Yeah, absolutely. And that's how I kind of see it, basically. I've kind of been on probably

01:33:23.320 --> 01:33:28.640
a 13-year journey with that. And I've got stuff about it on my website if people want

01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:33.320
explore that journey. I can't remember what it's called now but there is stuff

01:33:33.320 --> 01:33:38.120
on the website. All righty, so what would you like to say in conclusion either as

01:33:38.120 --> 01:33:42.680
some kind of a philosophical wrap-up or just in terms of practical things like

01:33:42.680 --> 01:33:48.520
how people can interact with you in various ways? On the practical level the

01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:53.600
main site gatewaylocation.org, that is an entry to a vast array of freely

01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:58.560
available resources, whether it's on the website itself, on the YouTube channel, or

01:33:58.560 --> 01:34:04.960
Insight Timer, where I've got a whole free self-realization program there. And I'm

01:34:04.960 --> 01:34:09.680
linking to all these from your Backgap page. Yeah, you'll have all that on the Backgap page.

01:34:09.680 --> 01:34:16.200
The website, YouTube channel, Insight Timer, there's years of material on there.

01:34:16.200 --> 01:34:21.200
Insight Timer is a little bit unusual in that, why I did, I felt a call to do a

01:34:21.200 --> 01:34:26.400
a live stream self-realization program. So there's a whole, it's the first time I've done it that way,

01:34:26.400 --> 01:34:32.240
structured program there that's on there. You can work your way through those live streams

01:34:32.240 --> 01:34:38.240
and it comes along with freely available Infinite Silence meditations. So that's been profound for

01:34:38.240 --> 01:34:43.600
many people, so that's a good tool. There's a whole series of live streams on the YouTube channel,

01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:49.920
hundreds of insights on the website and then alongside the main website are the three

01:34:49.920 --> 01:34:55.120
main meditation experiences I use. So I'd guide people to that. On the header bar of

01:34:55.120 --> 01:34:59.920
GateLocation.org you'll see meditation site. You'll find those there.

01:34:59.920 --> 01:35:05.760
A question came in that I think you might be able to weave your general statement into as part of

01:35:05.760 --> 01:35:12.800
the answer. This is from my friend Kanta Dadleni in Bombay. She asks, "It seems a little ironic

01:35:12.800 --> 01:35:18.640
that despite the sudden surge in so many people holding talks on spirituality, meditation, and

01:35:18.640 --> 01:35:24.320
more, the world is in a mess. Most people are vulnerable and follow self-proclaimed realized

01:35:24.320 --> 01:35:29.440
individuals at the drop of a hat. Holding talks, teaching people how to meditate, how to realize

01:35:29.440 --> 01:35:33.520
the self, seems to have become a money-making industry. Okay, your thoughts please.

01:35:33.520 --> 01:35:38.400
I think there's truth in what your friend's pointing out. There's definitely a case of,

01:35:38.400 --> 01:35:42.640
just one thing on the reality and money thing, I think it has become a bit of a money-making

01:35:42.640 --> 01:35:47.040
business. There's no doubt about that. That's not why I'm here fortunately, and my previous

01:35:47.040 --> 01:35:53.760
life pays for my life. So I've never made any money from this. But all this noise,

01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:58.840
this chaos, this vulnerability that you see in the world, that's where the

01:35:58.840 --> 01:36:06.200
compelling compassion bit comes in. And for me that's the reason for sharing. And

01:36:06.200 --> 01:36:10.920
what I'd like to say to people is, going back to that question I asked, you know,

01:36:10.920 --> 01:36:15.680
why are you watching this? Why are you here now? And beyond that, why are you

01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:21.280
here in this body and what I'd offer to

01:36:21.280 --> 01:36:25.800
you is that you're here. This is the

01:36:25.800 --> 01:36:28.800
primary reason you're here. It's not to get

01:36:28.800 --> 01:36:31.280
married, have 2.4 children, have a

01:36:31.280 --> 01:36:32.960
nice house, have a nice car. You might do

01:36:32.960 --> 01:36:34.760
those things and they might come with it

01:36:34.760 --> 01:36:36.720
and they'll be nice and there's nothing

01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:39.160
wrong with that. Yeah, it's really rough on

01:36:39.160 --> 01:36:41.720
the point for child. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a

01:36:41.720 --> 01:36:43.640
tough life. That's a thing from many years

01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:45.360
back in the UK. That was the average number

01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:47.360
number of children. Oh I know, I know, I'm just making a joke. But yeah, all of those

01:36:47.360 --> 01:36:53.360
things may happen in your life, but the real reason you're here in this form, as

01:36:53.360 --> 01:36:58.480
I was talking about in that very kind of philosophical sort of phase or insight

01:36:58.480 --> 01:37:02.360
or whatever you want to talk about earlier, the real reason you're here

01:37:02.360 --> 01:37:08.560
manifest in this form is because the universe itself chose to express itself

01:37:08.560 --> 01:37:17.160
in your form and it's choosing, if you like, to come to know itself in its own experience.

01:37:17.160 --> 01:37:26.040
And so life is its own purpose, its own meaning, and the purpose and meaning of your life wrapped

01:37:26.040 --> 01:37:29.180
into one is to realize this.

01:37:29.180 --> 01:37:30.560
That's why you're here.

01:37:30.560 --> 01:37:35.400
You don't need to believe me, but when this is seen, when this is realized, then it will

01:37:35.400 --> 01:37:40.920
become self-evident and capitalized self-evident the true essence. That's why you're here. That's

01:37:40.920 --> 01:37:46.040
what I'd like to say. Good. And I think hopefully most people listening to this will heartily agree

01:37:46.040 --> 01:37:52.360
with you. You know, I think a lot of us have that feeling that all these relative expressions are

01:37:52.360 --> 01:37:56.040
just icing on the cake, but there's a more fundamental reason for our being here. And

01:37:56.040 --> 01:38:00.520
you know, if we can, to whatever extent we can make that our highest priority,

01:38:00.520 --> 01:38:06.280
the better things will go. Make it your highest priority. There's nothing more important than this.

01:38:06.280 --> 01:38:13.320
But that doesn't mean, you know, because everybody's journey is different, that doesn't mean that you

01:38:13.320 --> 01:38:20.360
have to do Philip's journey, leave your old world. People can still integrate this into their lives.

01:38:20.360 --> 01:38:27.160
And it just happened to be that that was the way for me at that time. Yeah, obviously you couldn't

01:38:27.160 --> 01:38:32.520
be doing this if you were working 60 hours a week as a civil engineer. I didn't anticipate being

01:38:32.520 --> 01:38:37.320
the term the silence gave me for many years thinking what on earth am I supposed to sort of

01:38:37.320 --> 01:38:43.880
say having used spiritual advocate for a number of years. It said use western mystic. Yeah. That's

01:38:43.880 --> 01:38:49.080
what the silence said. So I didn't anticipate that 20 odd years ago, 25 years ago when I began

01:38:49.080 --> 01:38:55.080
meditation that was like unbelievable you would never have dreamt that. I've seen people come to

01:38:55.080 --> 01:39:00.020
realization people are guided and they're not. Specifically going out there, you

01:39:00.020 --> 01:39:04.560
know, it might be parents, they might be doing music, they might be doing other

01:39:04.560 --> 01:39:07.920
things. It doesn't have to be what Philip does.

01:39:07.920 --> 01:39:13.160
Nope. But anyway, I appreciate what you're doing and I've really enjoyed talking to

01:39:13.160 --> 01:39:17.380
you and listening to your recordings before this conversation and I think you

01:39:17.380 --> 01:39:21.000
made a good choice following that intuition. You have a knack for this.

01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:26.400
Maybe. Seems like it. Keep doing it. Thank you very much for everybody listening and thank you for the

01:39:26.400 --> 01:39:29.880
opportunity. It's been fantastic. I should have said that right at the beginning.

01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:33.300
Oh, that's okay. Yeah, thank you, Philip. And we'll be in touch, you know, we've got

01:39:33.300 --> 01:39:37.200
some interesting ideas we've been cooking on. Yeah, let's talk further.

01:39:37.200 --> 01:39:41.760
Alrighty, and thanks to those who've been listening or watching. My next interview

01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:46.860
will be with a Brahmacharini, I guess you would call her, in India and she has a

01:39:46.860 --> 01:39:51.060
a big long name which I couldn't recount without looking it up and reading it.

01:39:51.060 --> 01:39:55.680
But she looks very bright and very interesting and she has a beautiful website with all kinds

01:39:55.680 --> 01:40:01.120
of profound content on it and I'm really looking forward to that conversation.

01:40:01.120 --> 01:40:02.420
So we'll see you for the next one.

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Thank you.