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Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump. My name is Rick Archer. Buddha at the Gas Pump is

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an ongoing series of conversations with spiritually awakening people. We've done

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There's something new there, relatively new,

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which is the BatGap chat bot,

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transcripts and occasionally some other things, so if that interests you, get in touch. I'll

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get you going on that. My guest today is David Doyle. Speaking of proofreading transcripts,

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David volunteered to proofread some transcripts. I think that's how I originally got to know him.

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And then also he joined the Association for Spiritual Integrity, which I helped to found.

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And at one point, I don't know, a couple months ago, he sent me an email with a graphic in

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it that explained his experience.

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And I won't try to describe it right now, but it looked pretty profound.

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And I thought, "Whoa, this guy has a lot going on.

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Who would have thunk?

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A lot more than I have going on."

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So I thought he'd probably make a really interesting DATGAP interviewee.

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And so we talked about that, and that's what we're going to do.

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David lives on the water in the island city of Alameda in the San Francisco Bay Area with

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his wife, their teenage son, and Merlin, a rambunctious rat terrier.

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He was just telling me about the boat he lives on, you can see it in this video here, there

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it is, he's in it, and there's other boats in the background for those of you who were

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just on the audio.

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At an early age, he set upon a spiritual path and soon put down the books and turned inward.

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David's path has been, by most standards, a very traditional inner practice, starting

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with Hatha Yoga and quickly moving to Raja Yoga.

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Meditation was his main practice, with asanas as an adjunct to meditation.

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Early on in his spiritual practice, a teacher said that if you master the basics of yoga,

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and if you practice in earnest, all will unfold.

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Everything you need will come to you.

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David took this to heart, beginning a lifelong practice that, for the most part, was a solitary

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journey.

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At 20 years old, his third eye opened in a dramatic unfolding, and from there came the

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never-ending gift of insight and abilities, including clairvoyance, clairsentience, clairaudience,

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precognition, telepathy, and more.

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We're going to talk about a bunch of these experiences during the interview.

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Some years later, David joined the Berkeley Psychic Institute during its heyday and befriended

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the founder, Dr. Louis S. Bostwick, whom he considers to be his first great spiritual teacher

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and friend.

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He spent over a decade with this group and at its many institutes and thousands of students and teachers.

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In 2012, David came to an abiding awakening, and since that time many changes have taken place

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in an ongoing process of daily and weekly energetic and auspicious unfoldings,

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many of which have left him nearly incapacitated,

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which probably doesn't sound very auspicious, but we'll talk about that.

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Since awakening, David has also become an adept at Qigong.

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He's an adept Qigong master under the guidance of Grandmaster Shi Yong Yao, formerly an elite

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teacher monk at the Northern Shaolin Temple in China.

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Additionally, many siddhis have developed as byproducts along the way, as well as the

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massive Kundalini awakening and other extraordinary happenings.

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Now with 10 years having passed since this awakening, David is ready to share experiences

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from his 50+ year journey with a wider audience.

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He created Monk with Family, a 501c3 non-profit dedicated to the householder, but inclusive

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of anyone for whom the way is their life's focus.

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David leads a weekly satsang open to all those interested and is available for speaking engagements

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and other spiritual events.

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He is also a founding member of the Shaolin Master Qigong, a 501c3 non-profit dedicated

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to sharing the teachings of Master Yao, whom I mentioned earlier.

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And of course, all of this will be posted on his page on the BatGap website.

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David is also registered in China as the Deputy Director of the U.S. Regional Department of

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Shaolin Fu Hanmen.

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So I probably mispronounced some of those.

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But anyway, well, welcome, David.

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Hi, everyone.

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Hello, Rick.

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It's an honor to be here.

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It's fun to be here.

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Yeah, for me, too.

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So you sent me a whole list of various experiences that you had had over the years, pretty much

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organized in chronological order, and in about 14-point type, it came out to 37 pages, and

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I read the whole thing yesterday and last night, and I really enjoyed it.

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And I think it would be cool to talk about all these things that happened to you, and

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also not just sort of report them, but you and I can ponder their significance or lack

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thereof, you know, if you feel like it wasn't that significant but was interesting.

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As I was reading it, and you mentioned different things, I thought, "Ooh, that would be kind

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of interesting to get into because there's some teachings in there. It's not just David's

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experience, there's a teaching in there that would be available even for people who aren't

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inclined or wired to have such experiences. And you and I were talking earlier today about

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some other things that you'd like to discuss. So let's get right into it. We have a couple

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of hours and we're going to cover a lot of material. I think this will be an interesting

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conversation. Again, those who are listening, if you have a question during it at any time,

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send it in through that form that I mentioned, which is linked to at the bottom of the video

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in the description area. So you had your first Kundalini awakening or opening at the age

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of 14, 1969, which would make you about five years younger than me. What was it? What happened?

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Well, it was very unexpected and different, I think, than most stories we've heard. I

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was about 14 years old and I was getting high on grass for my first time. I was trying to

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get high. I was not able to get high. I kept smoking and smoking and smoking and was not

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getting high. And luckily, probably back then, the grass was a heck of a lot less potent than

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it is today. This was back in the probably late 60s. But anyway, so then I walked home

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and everything was fine. And then I, not much longer after I got home, I had this huge ball

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of light shoot up my spine and out my eyes and completely white it out.

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It scared me mainly.

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What scared me because it was more powerful than like when I was younger as a kid I got

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zapped by a 110 outlet.

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It was way stronger than a 110 outlet and it came out my eyes and this was back at a time

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when Reefer Madness was a movie that showed the horrible effects of marijuana.

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had all kinds of scare things that our parents told us at the time.

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So it was mainly scary from that standpoint.

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It was scary when it actually happened, but my eyesight came back really quickly and all

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that.

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But anyway, so that was my first experience with a recognition of an enormous level of

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energy within our bodies that doesn't compute, it doesn't seem like it's possible.

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Yeah, I've met some people who are purportedly enlightened and talked to a gazillion people,

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but some people who are a bit off the charts and the amount of energy they seem to have,

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the things they can do for hours and hours and hours on end without sleep or rest or going

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to the bathroom or anything else is pretty astounding sometimes.

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So I feel like we all have that potential, just tremendous energy, which would probably

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the fire circuits if it were released suddenly in the average person, but with the proper

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culturing and development could enable one to have a very dynamic life.

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I think Ram Dass mentioned that he pushed to get his kundalini to open and it did. He

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forced it open and it wiped him out. He said it took something, it was either six or nine

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months to recover. My guesstimate would be that it would be considerably longer than

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that actually. I also remember having a conversation one time on a blog with a couple of people

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about some of the serious effects of kundalini and completely unbeknownst to me, two of the

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people on the blog were in institutions presently recovering from exactly what we were talking

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about.

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Yeah, I get contacted by people often who have gotten into trouble in that way. I was with

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the spiritual teacher once and someone said, "Couldn't you just enlighten us today? Why

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does this have to take so long?" And he said, "If I could, it would take 10 strong men to

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hold you down."

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Pete: Yeah, well, and there's a lot of different levels.

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Richard: So, perhaps a good slogan here is "Safety First."

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Pete: That's very important. You know, it's not just safety first. I guess it would be

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a good time to talk about this. There's a lot of initial practices that are kind of lost.

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A lot of people don't quite understand, well, what's the purpose of meditating 10-20 hours?

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And is it necessary at all?

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So there's quite a few reasons for long-form meditation.

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One is that you become acclimated to being with yourself quietly.

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And that acclimation may seem like not a big deal, but if you've tried it, you know, we

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all know that if we've tried it, just stopping our thoughts, which you would think would be

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pretty simple. You just stop because we assume we have control of that and then we immediately

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realize that's not happening. And we try for maybe 20-30 years and that still doesn't happen.

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But as you practice regularly fairly long, two-three hours, your body learns to drop the

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inertias that you have and drop the safeguards that it has from kind of being punished by you for

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not being constantly alert to things and not plotting and everything.

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So the body really starts to fall away and then you start to become acclimated

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to being in silence at least somewhat.

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However, ineffective it is, you're consciously doing this.

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Well, what effect is that?

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Let's say you do wake up one day.

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I've seen several people who have awoken and they speak about their

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awakening, but the awakening fades.

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And I've dealt with two people in particular who were awake, fully awake.

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They were abiding in their awakening.

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But as time went on, they were having problems with being awake.

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And the problem was that when it initially happens, if it's a big awakening,

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you feel like you're floating in a sense.

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And there's no hand grabs.

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Your opinions and positions and all that have fallen away,

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and it's a big relief for a while.

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But then what happens is the world is out there.

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You may have a job, you may have quite a number of things,

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and you may have friends that really enjoy the previous personality that was you.

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And they want that personality back.

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And you're really not practiced in non-personality.

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You're not really practiced in stillness.

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And stillness is another thing.

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So I learned to meditate in 1968 and I started with half an hour twice a day and

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I've never skipped one since but after a couple years I went up to an hour

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twice a day and I've never done less than that. And then there were weekend courses

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and six-week courses and six-month courses where you do a whole lot of

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meditation. It usually wasn't hours on end like you've described it was more

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like do an hour then do some asanas then do another hour then do another asanas

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in pranayama, you know, to break it up a little bit.

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But you alluded to long meditations as an initial practice.

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I didn't mean it to come off that way.

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Oh, okay, because if a newbie starts out with 20 hours of meditation and then has to go

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to work on Monday, you know, they're going to have a problem.

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You brought up a whole slew of just awesome stuff that needs to be talked about.

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I used to sit with quite a few people meditating, and I could see their auras.

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I could see spirit, I could see all kinds of things.

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And I was meditating, but at the same time, I couldn't help but notice,

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because I'd already been meditating for quite a while.

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I noticed in myself that somewhere around 35 to 40 minutes, 45 minutes in there,

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that I often hit kind of a wall, which the voices in my head said,

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"Well, this is good. You've done 40 minutes. You should get up now.

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It's time to stop and blah, blah, blah."

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And I realized if I went through that wall, it lasted about two minutes and then poof,

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once I got past that wall, I often noticed that all the fidgeting in my body stopped.

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The repositioning my legs or whatever, it all stopped. Changing my back position, that all

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kind of stopped. And my meditation level really was entirely different from that point on.

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So I started watching this in a group of 60, 80 people, and I noticed women started going out of

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their bodies. They were hitting this wall at about 15 to 25 minutes, somewhere in that range,

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which is actually an advantage if you think about it. We'll get to that. But the point is that

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what's happening is that for quite a while, this isn't with everybody, and it definitely happens

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then far less once you're very, very experienced. But for most people, what's happening is the body

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and all the inertia is going on within the bodies, the gross physical, gross subtle, and subtle

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bodies. These have inertia. The body is used to these inertias. "I've got to go, got to do this,

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got to do that, don't do this, and better have some coffee," and all this kind of stuff. Because

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it's used to the agenda you have. And when you're sitting there and telling it you want to meditate,

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your body is very resistant to wanting to really, truly meditate. It kind of puts up with you.

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It's just, "Oh, okay, we're going to sit down for a while here. Okay, so what do we do here? You

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know, we're going to sit here." But at a certain point in time, those two time periods that I

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mentioned, the body starts getting to the point where it wants to stop. Because if it goes just

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a little bit further, it's going to relinquish the inertia that it's used to, that it knows you

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typically want, but it's getting these signals that you're actually saying to relax, and

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it doesn't quite trust that.

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But when it finally drops it, that's that two-minute period when it finally just kind

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of drops it, and poof, the body's gone into kind of neutral, and you're now in your space.

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So firstly, what kind of meditation are you talking about?

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Because there's many types of meditation, as there are types of liquid, you know, and

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different liquids have different effects, as do different kinds of meditation.

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Secondly, these inertias, I somehow interpret that to mean like conditionings or kind of

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habitual grooves of behavior.

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And then the third thing that comes to mind is that maybe there's some initial resistance

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to sit and meditate or to continue to meditate or something, but eventually it becomes just

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as routine as eating and sleeping and everything else you do and natural and you just look

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forward to it, like you would look forward to a good night's sleep or a good meal or

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anything else.

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there's no discipline involved in having to sit down and do it.

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In fact, you look forward to it because it's enjoyable.

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- Yeah.

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Imagine you have a horse and you're the rider.

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And for a long time, you've just gotten on the horse,

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strapped it and kicked it and told it where to go.

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And now imagine that same horse, you're getting on it,

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or you're maybe walking with it and talking with it

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and telling, you know, let's just sit down, enjoy the view.

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It's just never had that happen before.

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So it's a wonderful transition

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And as you really meditate, your body really learns that you're actually going to just

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be with it.

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And also, you're not going to run a bunch of nervousness through it.

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So that's another thing.

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You're actually going to sit there and not worry about futures and creating all this

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crazy stuff.

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You're not going to have all this rigidified energy of fears and everything else.

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You're actually not participating in that.

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And I would say that if that kind of stuff runs through your head, don't beat yourself

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up over it.

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Just take it easy, take it as it comes.

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It'll come, it'll go.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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Now when it comes to the type of meditation, this is a really interesting thing right off

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the bat.

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A lot of stuff that is referred to as meditation is a sitting practice.

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And I don't have a problem with calling doing meditation, but it's an important thing to

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recognize.

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Let's say you're doing a "chakra meditation", a "color meditation".

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There's just so many types of sitting practices that you can do.

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But there is a difference between a sitting practice and sitting and meditating, and no

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doing is going on.

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And I'm not at all saying that the others are not meditation.

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I hope the audience gets what I'm saying.

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What has your primary practice been?

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So when I'm referring to meditation, I'm referring to being in the center of my head.

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And this is another important thing.

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The seat of the presence should basically be in the center of the head or anywhere in the

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central axis.

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Now the central axis isn't talked about much, but from the perineum to the top of the head

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and just slightly back is what's also referred to as a Tai Chi pole.

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And it's the central axis, it's not the central back channel, it's not the front channels,

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it's in between.

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And anywhere along there from the top to way up above the head, all the way down below or

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anywhere in there, in that central core is kind of like being in the center of a tree

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where you're not identified with what's going on with the leaves, you're not identified

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with how hot the sun is or how dry the soil is, you're in your central core.

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So if you were to sit and meditate for an hour or two, you would be sitting and putting your

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attention in the center of your head?

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Second part of that question is, how do you juxtapose or reconcile that with Ramana's

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instruction about meditating in the heart?

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I don't know if you're aware of that, but Ramana Maharshi used to say, you know...

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Yeah, Ramana...

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Well, okay, so let's go to the first one.

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Here's what most meditators, when they first start out, seem to have two complaints.

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One is it's boring, and two, they feel a lot of pressure.

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And the reason for that is that they're meditating from the forward part of their head.

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There's a huge tendency among people that are beginning to get into this stuff.

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Opening the third eye is the biggest thing, even though theoretically it's not, but they're

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still wanting to kind of be there.

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And then the other thing is that's where we're habituated all the time.

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So the reason for the pressure is that this is where we have all these conversations,

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analytical stuff, thinking about futures, worries, and things like that.

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So going there when you're meditating is a bit like an alcoholic going to a bar and telling

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everybody I'm not drinking today.

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It's your place where you do all that noise.

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And then the other reason it's boring is because that's also where most people sit down and

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work from.

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So that's their workspace.

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So imagine going to your workspace and then just sitting there and doing nothing in an

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area that you're very accustomed to doing.

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The center of the head, which would be basically where your earlobe comes up and attaches to

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your side of your head, if you draw a line between that and then from the center of your

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head to the little knob in the back, that's the center of the head.

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And that's really the seat of presence or anywhere on that pole, as I mentioned, you'll

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be quite neutral. And also what a lot of people don't quite get is that the third eye and you

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have one eye here, you have another whole complex thing here, that all goes to the center of the

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head. That awareness is really centered in the center of the head. Now, Ramana, I'm not that

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familiar with that other than to say that there's a lot of confusion about left, right, you know,

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You know, it's slightly over here and it's not the actual physical heart.

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And then you have the main center here.

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I recently heard one person say, you know, that was a one-off, that what he teaches and

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what you find in virtually all the traditions around him, they don't teach that.

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I've been doing this long enough to say that it's amazing how much stuff will work that

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you wouldn't think would work, and it's also amazing how many variations there are to just

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about everything.

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In my case, I've always used a mantra, and I've always found it effortless and blissful,

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and inevitably I settled down to a deeper state, but I certainly wouldn't insist that

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that's the best way or the only way of meditating and trying to understand it.

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So like, if you were to give instructions right now, could you give instructions right

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now on how to meditate in the way that you do, or that you would advocate?

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Well, you know, I say that I started out traditionally. I didn't have a teacher in most cases. I had

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teachers on very cursory levels. Even when I mentioned Louis Bostwick or Master Yao, my

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main relationship with them was they saw me. I'm reminded of, what's the movie where they

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talk, where they say, "I see you."

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Avatar.

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- Yeah, an avatar.

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Louis saw me and when we would get together,

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sometimes at his ranch,

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he got rid of everybody at the ranch

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and we would just sit in like this little stone here.

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That's something we cut together at the ranch one day.

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And most of the time we didn't talk really.

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We didn't talk much.

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Occasionally we'd close our eyes and go off together,

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but it just being with him was a big thing for me.

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It's true also for Master Yao.

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But to get back to your question,

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I learned the typical things, you know, you have your chin slightly tucked and that's

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because the point on top of your head is about a half inch back from the top.

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And so you align that.

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And that's actually that point that I was talking about to align with your perineum,

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which is between your sex organs and your anus.

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I was taught that you put your tongue forward at the top of the palate as if you were, say,

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a bite.

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And that stays there.

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Gut that down.

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your jaw, the teeth are not really way apart, but just slightly loose, not tense.

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I learned alternate nostril breathing, and Aum is always with me.

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And Aum was very helpful, mantras are very helpful for stopping chatter.

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There's other things that you can do, and there's different types of, you know, Aum

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is a very strong vibration, and that's attuning you to a vibration.

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The idea of sitting up straight was a big deal.

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I started out naturally.

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I shouldn't say naturally.

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I used to be a ski racer and I was very, very limber.

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When I got into this, I could do full lotus.

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That's how I started meditating was full lotus.

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Then I would do sometimes half lotus and then sitting and standing.

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I haven't done a lot standing, but I don't find full lotus a big deal.

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Personally, some people really push that.

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I think that the most important thing is that your legs are not going purple on you and that

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you're not constantly, you know, you don't have legs go completely to sleep.

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We have too many people getting strokes because of this.

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They try and do a meditation where their legs go on blue.

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And then you get blood clots or something.

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Yeah.

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Oh, you shouldn't be in pain.

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I mean, it should be comfortable, shouldn't it?

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Otherwise the pain is going to just distract you.

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Exactly.

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And the other thing though is that sitting meditation in a chair actually can easily be

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argued to be the best on some levels.

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Yeah.

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It's a very comfortable...

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Depending on what's comfortable for you.

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Well, it's not just comfort.

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It allows your energy to move through you.

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That's also why standing meditation is also...

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You can argue all these things, and I'm not interested in the arguments.

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What I am interested in is if I was teaching meditation, however you're sitting or standing,

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the posture basically from the base of the spine up is the most important thing.

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And then over decades, that's just proven to be more and more a big deal.

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And then also at a certain point in time when certain energies and certain channels really

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develop, they'll straighten you up.

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They'll just straighten you up.

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I know you're going to be slouching and all of a sudden, boom.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It'll straighten you up.

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And then the other thing is, you know, I've been meditating 16, 18 hours and on a chair

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and at the end of it I'm at the end of the chair, I'm bolt upright and the energy is

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flying through my space.

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And I don't end the meditation because I'm tired.

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I feel absolutely wonderful, but the energy is just flying through your space.

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And then there's also something that most people wouldn't notice, but when you are sitting

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with your legs crossed, and particularly if you have your legs crossed and your arms and

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your hands touching each other, your aura starts spinning slightly.

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That's nice on some levels because it insulates you in a certain sense from the atmosphere

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of the outside, even the atmosphere of the outside right next to you.

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But at the same time, if you have your hands in an upright position, palms up on your knees,

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and you're sitting in a chair, your aura doesn't spin.

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And it's a much more open space.

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Just something interesting to look at, something interesting that I've noticed.

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I imagine you do consultations with people and all, if they want some meditation instruction

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that you could talk to them privately or in groups or some such thing.

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Also, you made a comment about Aum.

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In some traditions, it's thought that Aum by itself, if you just kept chanting Aum, Aum,

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Aum, it will have a tendency to make you more reclusive and less successful in the world.

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So in some Indian traditions, they say that the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmathu is a renowned

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and sage emphasized it in others, but in other traditions, "Om" is part of a longer mantra,

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like "Om Namah Shivaya" or something like that, with possibly a "Bija" mantra thrown

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in the middle of it. And it's said that in conjunction with other syllables like that,

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it doesn't have that reclusive effect.

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David: Yeah. So, I didn't hear that until you said it a few years back. So, that's one

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of the advantages of being in an actual tradition. I might have heard that because I never heard

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that and so it is interesting.

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Well, you live on a nice boat. It doesn't seem to have had that effect on you.

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Well, there's different levels of reclusiveness. You can be a recluse within yourself and a

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lot of people would not know what's going on in there. And then also, I've had quite

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a few businesses that failed almost miraculously to the point where I finally was like, "Huh,

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So this is not meant to be.

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Pete: Well, the mechanics of why it's said to have that effect is that Aum is an eternal

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vibration, but you can't chant it eternally, you can only chant it intermittently.

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And somehow that breaks it up in a way that can cause a reclusive effect to happen in

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your life, including losses of businesses and relationships and things like that.

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Darrell: I wish I had heard that maybe 30-40 years ago.

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[Laughter]

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Might have been helpful.

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And I always was doing that.

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I got a TM mantra once, but by that time I was so used to OM that I used OM.

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And I think the big thing though to be said here to the audience is that there's more

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to mantras than meets the eye.

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One thing is they're extraordinarily helpful for calming the chatter.

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They are.

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Okay, anything more you want to say on what we've been talking about or should we move

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on to some other points?

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We can keep on moving on.

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Okay, so I just I want to be sure to cover some of the interesting experiences you've had

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in addition to this more abstract stuff we're talking about. So for instance,

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you were 17 years old, you're out skiing, you had what you called your first TUMMO awakening.

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TUMMO. Explain that experience. What happened?

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This was before I knew what the word TUMMO even meant. I'd never heard of this. So anyway,

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I'm skiing local ski area. I skied there seven days a week when I was a kid until about I think

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I think it closed at nine, you know, as a little teeny area.

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I mean, like the mountain was three or 400 feet tall.

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So it was basically spring and it was in Minnesota.

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And during the day it was like 25 degrees,

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which by spring 25 degrees was like

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you could go skiing in your shorts.

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So I was not wearing much.

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I had like a windbreaker on and a turtleneck.

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I had very thin racing gloves on,

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which are practically nothing to them.

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And I think I had ski pants on,

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The ski pants, by the way, that I had were like thin nylon racing type.

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I'm not talking about these big puffy things with down.

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And I may have been wearing long johns, probably the long johns

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were thicker than the pants.

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And I was quite a ways from the lodge and the sun went down and that's no big deal.

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But you know, in the winter time, you don't have an atmosphere much.

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And so it can go from 25 to zero fast.

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And that's what it did.

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It went from 25 degrees roughly and sunny, you know, in the sun when it's hitting you

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and you've got dark clothes on, that also helps to warm you up.

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So it went from 25 degrees to around 5 below.

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So big, big, big difference there.

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But it didn't do that all at once.

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So I didn't think I was really in trouble.

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I didn't have any idea that I was in trouble.

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I'm skiing along.

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So at a certain point in time, I started getting quite cold and I realized, okay, I got to

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get back to the lodge because I'd had frostbite on my earlobes before.

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My toes were starting to get cold.

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I was very surprised by that.

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I don't think I had a hat on because most of the time I didn't like to wear a hat unless

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I had to wear a hat.

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And at 25 degrees, I'm pretty sure I didn't have a hat on.

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So I started getting cold pretty bad and the lifts were rope toes.

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So you have to grab onto these ropes and you go up.

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And also it was at that time of the day where not a lot of people were out and I think it

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was a weekday.

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I started getting really cold and I'm like two lifts away from the lodge.

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I have to go up and down, up and down, which means the wind chill factor is going to be

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nailing me as well.

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And I'm really starting to get concerned.

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I'm a ski racer, ski patrol.

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I know what's going on and I've had problems with my ear lobes freezing before.

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And this was bad.

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But then just out of nowhere, this golf ball sized thing below my navel, inside maybe,

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you know, inch and a half, two inches in, it just starts getting warm.

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And I have no idea what's going on here.

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But then within just no time at all, my feet are toasty warm, my hands are toasty warm,

00:32:31.580 --> 00:32:34.380
but my earlobes are actually like hot.

00:32:34.380 --> 00:32:39.980
And I could actually see in my peripheral vision steam coming off my shoulders.

00:32:39.980 --> 00:32:44.660
I get up on the rope to ski down fast and I could ski fast.

00:32:44.660 --> 00:32:47.540
I can definitely do 30, 40 miles an hour down.

00:32:47.540 --> 00:32:48.860
I ski down.

00:32:48.860 --> 00:32:51.940
So that means wind chill factors through the roof.

00:32:51.940 --> 00:32:54.580
I go up the top, I ski down, I cruise in the lodge.

00:32:54.580 --> 00:33:00.460
I mean, I was just completely toasty warm and the hot balls, it was about the size of

00:33:00.460 --> 00:33:02.660
a golf ball, almost exactly.

00:33:02.660 --> 00:33:08.500
The speed at which it just permeated me and I was just immediately warm was pretty incredible.

00:33:08.500 --> 00:33:14.220
I remember Deepak Chopra telling a story about how he went to Nepal or Tibet and met with

00:33:14.220 --> 00:33:19.820
some yogis who took him out at night and they stripped down to their loincloths and wrapped

00:33:19.820 --> 00:33:25.980
wet sheets around themselves and sat in the snow and Deepak watched as steam started rising

00:33:25.980 --> 00:33:30.980
and the sheets started drying out and the yogis were like perfectly warm.

00:33:30.980 --> 00:33:33.800
And obviously they've got a name for this, TUMO.

00:33:33.800 --> 00:33:38.260
So it seems like it has been a practice that people have engaged in and you didn't know

00:33:38.260 --> 00:33:41.020
it was a practice, but it just happened to you spontaneously.

00:33:41.020 --> 00:33:45.780
Yeah, I'm certain at that point in time if I had sat on an ice cube naked, I would have

00:33:45.780 --> 00:33:47.340
been just as happy.

00:33:47.340 --> 00:33:51.780
If you think about it, if you're skiing down even at 30 miles an hour, I think the wind

00:33:51.780 --> 00:33:54.620
chill factor is like 50 or 60 below zero.

00:33:54.620 --> 00:34:00.580
50, 60 below zero, if you spit, it will turn to ice well before it hits the ground.

00:34:00.580 --> 00:34:04.380
I was toasty warm, wearing practically nothing.

00:34:04.380 --> 00:34:05.380
Interesting.

00:34:05.380 --> 00:34:06.380
So it's an experience.

00:34:06.380 --> 00:34:10.940
Is there any kind of like cosmic conclusion we can draw from it or was it just one of

00:34:10.940 --> 00:34:13.660
those amazing things that have happened to you in your life?

00:34:13.660 --> 00:34:17.820
That would be one of the things that I would suggest to new students is...

00:34:17.820 --> 00:34:18.820
Don't try this at home.

00:34:18.820 --> 00:34:24.100
No, I would say don't throw a bunch of cosmic conclusion to anything that's happening to

00:34:24.100 --> 00:34:25.100
you.

00:34:25.100 --> 00:34:29.220
You know, these days with Wim Hof, there's all this popularity of ice baths and people

00:34:29.220 --> 00:34:33.380
People are getting in ice baths and said to be good for your physiology.

00:34:33.380 --> 00:34:38.380
Joe Rogan apparently takes his ice bath with him when he travels and all kinds of stuff.

00:34:38.380 --> 00:34:39.740
It's interesting.

00:34:39.740 --> 00:34:42.400
I take hot cold showers every day.

00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:48.340
So I shower and then at the end of the shower I turn it on full cold and I enjoy the feeling.

00:34:48.340 --> 00:34:51.020
At this point I don't go yikes anymore.

00:34:51.020 --> 00:34:57.740
And taking a hot cold shower or doing cold baths, there are many things that can happen.

00:34:57.740 --> 00:35:04.240
For example, if a person is out of sorts or has some problems with beings or whatever,

00:35:04.240 --> 00:35:07.160
that can clear that out that fast.

00:35:07.160 --> 00:35:14.540
Hot cold showers can be phenomenally useful for kind of a mechanical way to readjust yourself.

00:35:14.540 --> 00:35:19.580
It's along the same lines as fasting, along the same lines as asanas.

00:35:19.580 --> 00:35:24.740
They help really break up certain energies and also move certain energies through your

00:35:24.740 --> 00:35:26.140
space.

00:35:26.140 --> 00:35:32.200
When I was doing yoga, kind of traditional, I was doing mainly meditation and then you

00:35:32.200 --> 00:35:38.100
would do the asanas afterwards because the asanas move the energies from meditation into

00:35:38.100 --> 00:35:41.100
the nadis, the myelin sheath, all of that.

00:35:41.100 --> 00:35:46.020
And that's really, in my mind, that was the purpose of the asanas.

00:35:46.020 --> 00:35:48.280
Meditation would break up the low-hanging fruit.

00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:52.820
It would start bringing big energies into the space that would help break up some of the

00:35:52.820 --> 00:35:54.240
bigger issues.

00:35:54.240 --> 00:35:59.220
And then when you finish with that, the asanas would help to then stretch those things out

00:35:59.220 --> 00:36:03.920
and throughout all the nadis and equalize the high pressures and low pressures and all

00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:04.920
of that.

00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.000
All right, going down the list.

00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.360
1977, 21 years of age, third eye opening.

00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:13.280
Yeah, that's a really loaded word.

00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:18.020
If anybody wants to think that that's not what happened, that's fine with me.

00:36:18.020 --> 00:36:23.440
So what had happened is I had done this kind of grand experiment where I put down the books

00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:31.080
Because the books basically brought me to the conclusion that you're supposed to put the books down at some point in time and actually do math time.

00:36:31.080 --> 00:36:42.280
Otherwise, you're just going to start getting into more and more concepts of concepts of concepts and then pretty soon you'll start believing them, even though you don't really have any foundation in those.

00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:43.960
And I really didn't want to do that.

00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.440
That was a really big, big deal.

00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:50.280
I did not want to have a belief system.

00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:55.320
I remember somebody saying, "Don't believe anything I say.

00:36:55.320 --> 00:37:00.080
Just do these practices and you will come to know these things."

00:37:00.080 --> 00:37:01.080
Or not.

00:37:01.080 --> 00:37:02.080
Yeah, the Buddha said something like that.

00:37:02.080 --> 00:37:03.920
Yeah, or you may not.

00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:05.960
I took that big time to heart.

00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:10.560
That was one of the biggest attractions to Buddhism and to the Indian traditions and

00:37:10.560 --> 00:37:13.880
a lot of Eastern traditions was that they really invited you.

00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:18.520
The beliefs were a hindrance and they're not necessary.

00:37:18.520 --> 00:37:23.920
So anyway, I had done this experiment where I had become like a vegan and I had abstained

00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:30.000
from caffeine and things like that, stimulus, all kinds of traditional stuff that I was

00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:32.560
doing, practice that I was doing.

00:37:32.560 --> 00:37:37.000
And this was during college years, so I was missing out on a lot of partying.

00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:40.960
And I really was missing out on a lot of partying because sometimes people would open up the

00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:46.000
dorm room and I'd be sitting there meditating or studying, one of the two, most of the time,

00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.220
all the time, not like I was the greatest student on the planet.

00:37:49.220 --> 00:37:53.200
I had been doing this for like two years and I had actually come to the conclusion that

00:37:53.200 --> 00:37:54.960
I was going to quit.

00:37:54.960 --> 00:38:00.120
All the stuff that was coming out of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Institute, all the fantastic reasons

00:38:00.120 --> 00:38:02.720
you should meditate, I was getting all of those.

00:38:02.720 --> 00:38:07.340
My hand-eye coordination was better, I was calmer, I had more patience.

00:38:07.340 --> 00:38:12.040
There were just all the things that you get from meditation that the scientists were starting

00:38:12.040 --> 00:38:14.160
to come out with, I was getting all that.

00:38:14.160 --> 00:38:15.160
I felt fantastic.

00:38:15.160 --> 00:38:19.240
In some cases, I remember, obviously, it had an effect on me.

00:38:19.240 --> 00:38:23.960
I remember somebody asked me if I was a holy person once when I was in a bookstore, and

00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:25.480
I was surprised by that.

00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:28.920
But my energy was obviously affected on some level.

00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:32.120
But the fact was, I wasn't trying to have cities.

00:38:32.120 --> 00:38:36.280
I wasn't trying to have unbelievable experiences.

00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:40.640
But I would have thought that by two years of really doing it, that I'd been thrown a

00:38:40.640 --> 00:38:41.760
bone, you know?

00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:47.240
kind of bone that made me feel like maybe some of the more extraordinary stuff is actually

00:38:47.240 --> 00:38:48.240
real.

00:38:48.240 --> 00:38:53.560
But I did feel fantastic, but I decided that week to kind of throw in the towel that however

00:38:53.560 --> 00:39:00.320
great I felt, it didn't seem like I was getting anything miraculous out of it.

00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:04.080
So there was this group, it was a Gurdjieff group that I went to one last time and I was

00:39:04.080 --> 00:39:05.560
just standing there.

00:39:05.560 --> 00:39:11.800
And then suddenly it felt like my whole face was being squished back and squashed in the

00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:12.800
front.

00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:17.760
It had the very exact feeling of like if you have two magnets and you put positive to positive

00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:22.480
or negative to negative and they push against each other and have that kind of fuzzy pushing.

00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:27.840
It's just that this huge push was across my face and there was nothing in front of me

00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:28.840
pushing.

00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:33.060
It was one of the most bizarre feelings that I'd ever had and I'd never read anything

00:39:33.060 --> 00:39:35.300
anywhere about something like this.

00:39:35.300 --> 00:39:41.180
And so I didn't in any way, shape or form recognize it for what it was, but then immediately I

00:39:41.180 --> 00:39:43.180
was hearing somebody's thoughts.

00:39:43.180 --> 00:39:50.380
I went to a guy that was thought to be knowledgeable at that group and asked him some questions

00:39:50.380 --> 00:39:57.060
and I could hear his thoughts completely as clear as day in his head and center of my

00:39:57.060 --> 00:39:58.060
head.

00:39:58.060 --> 00:40:04.300
So then I responded to his thoughts before he said them, and then I heard him ask a question

00:40:04.300 --> 00:40:10.500
in his head about what I had just done, and I responded to that before he said anything.

00:40:10.500 --> 00:40:12.100
And then finally he said, "Stop, stop.

00:40:12.100 --> 00:40:15.620
I need to say this out loud."

00:40:15.620 --> 00:40:17.300
So that was the first thing.

00:40:17.300 --> 00:40:22.740
What's interesting is that I ended up leaving, in a sense, my practice for a while, because

00:40:22.740 --> 00:40:27.500
some part of me had just stopped practicing and was like, it was done.

00:40:27.500 --> 00:40:30.580
But at the same time, now all of a sudden, all this stuff opened up.

00:40:30.580 --> 00:40:36.380
And soon, you know, I was seeing auras of my eyes open, and you know, over the next

00:40:36.380 --> 00:40:38.740
several years, just all kinds of things happened.

00:40:38.740 --> 00:40:45.260
I was seeing futures and learning about futures, and that was really interesting.

00:40:45.260 --> 00:40:46.500
And Clare sent you this.

00:40:46.500 --> 00:40:48.220
The list is on and on.

00:40:48.220 --> 00:40:51.620
All kinds of stuff happened over the next 10, 20 years.

00:40:51.620 --> 00:40:57.740
Rick>> Okay, many of which you talk about in the subsequent points that you sent me.

00:40:57.740 --> 00:41:00.940
Not sure if we'll have time to get to all these or not, but you have the list in front

00:41:00.940 --> 00:41:01.940
of you also.

00:41:01.940 --> 00:41:07.620
So looking down 1985, the next point we haven't discussed is "Sleeping Puppy," but just

00:41:07.620 --> 00:41:12.380
scan a bit and pick out the ones you feel like you really want to talk about.

00:41:12.380 --> 00:41:15.140
Dave>> Let's go through the Kundalini experiences.

00:41:15.140 --> 00:41:19.140
Rick>> And at some point I want to talk about the channeling too, but go ahead and do the

00:41:19.140 --> 00:41:20.140
Kundalini experiences.

00:41:20.140 --> 00:41:23.580
- Okay, so the next big kundalini experience

00:41:23.580 --> 00:41:26.060
was approximately 1987.

00:41:26.060 --> 00:41:29.100
I was meditating for about 14 hours

00:41:29.100 --> 00:41:31.940
and then just absolutely out of nowhere,

00:41:31.940 --> 00:41:35.340
a volcano explodes from the base of my spine,

00:41:35.340 --> 00:41:38.060
blew me out the top of my head.

00:41:38.060 --> 00:41:42.220
The volcano was about the size of a fire hydrant

00:41:42.220 --> 00:41:44.380
and every bit as active as a fire hydrant,

00:41:44.380 --> 00:41:46.940
except it was all electrical and it just shot out.

00:41:46.940 --> 00:41:49.420
It was probably this big in the base

00:41:49.420 --> 00:41:52.420
And then it went fully outside my head,

00:41:52.420 --> 00:41:55.520
and I ended up floating above my head for a while,

00:41:55.520 --> 00:41:57.820
while this volcano was going off.

00:41:57.820 --> 00:42:00.180
You know, I don't know how long that occurred,

00:42:00.180 --> 00:42:03.900
but then I was conscious while that was happening,

00:42:03.900 --> 00:42:07.540
and kind of delightfully conscious at that time.

00:42:07.540 --> 00:42:09.860
And then slowly it started to recede,

00:42:09.860 --> 00:42:12.460
and I came back into my head.

00:42:12.460 --> 00:42:16.520
And then as I came back into my head, I was in a past life.

00:42:16.520 --> 00:42:17.660
I don't really know where.

00:42:17.660 --> 00:42:25.220
It was probably Ireland or Scotland or something, and I was in a fairly remote area that I enjoyed

00:42:25.220 --> 00:42:27.020
traveling around.

00:42:27.020 --> 00:42:32.880
And so I basically experienced that life for a while from viewing that life, not fully

00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:33.920
being in it.

00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:38.500
And then I ended up meditating for another four hours.

00:42:38.500 --> 00:42:43.240
Just to put the finishing touches on it.

00:42:43.240 --> 00:42:48.440
So some of your listeners now or in the future may have a different opinion on what this

00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:49.760
last one is.

00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.220
I've never heard anything like this.

00:42:52.220 --> 00:42:53.220
I call it Kundalini.

00:42:53.220 --> 00:42:55.400
I think it's Kundalini.

00:42:55.400 --> 00:43:00.300
Between the Tibetans and the Indians, I can't imagine that this hasn't happened before.

00:43:00.300 --> 00:43:02.640
And so someone can probably tell me what it is.

00:43:02.640 --> 00:43:05.880
But anyway, so I'm just driving along in my car.

00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:09.600
So you know a drinking fountain, you have a drinking fountain that, you know, has good

00:43:09.600 --> 00:43:12.400
pressure, not a lot of pressure, and the water's kind of thick.

00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:16.240
you know, maybe about an inch diameter, it comes out.

00:43:16.240 --> 00:43:17.520
It's not the kind when you press it

00:43:17.520 --> 00:43:18.760
that it hits you in the face,

00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:20.760
but it's kind of, just makes a nice,

00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:23.240
kind of moseys into a nice arc.

00:43:23.240 --> 00:43:25.040
So I'm driving along and all of a sudden,

00:43:25.040 --> 00:43:27.760
from the base of my spine, inside my spine,

00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:30.040
right in the middle of it, boom,

00:43:30.040 --> 00:43:32.320
just this tube of water comes.

00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:33.520
I mean, it felt like water.

00:43:33.520 --> 00:43:34.880
It felt like tepid water.

00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.800
A tube of water just came up the back of my spine,

00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:39.480
inside my spine.

00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:42.160
And then at one point in time, about this height,

00:43:42.160 --> 00:43:46.080
some of it came around and at the side,

00:43:46.080 --> 00:43:47.760
about the height of my nipple,

00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:50.920
and it comes around and at that same height,

00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.320
maybe a little bit below where the ribs are,

00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:55.520
it fills up this thing that's about the size

00:43:55.520 --> 00:43:59.480
of a family pizza across my entire chest.

00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:00.960
It fills the whole thing up,

00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.320
and it's maybe about an inch, inch and a half thick.

00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:05.580
- Just to avoid confusion,

00:44:05.580 --> 00:44:08.000
so there was not a physical thing

00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:09.380
the size of a family pizza,

00:44:09.380 --> 00:44:13.380
but you're talking about some subtle astral level or something.

00:44:13.380 --> 00:44:18.380
You envisioned something that was getting filled, that an external observer would not have seen.

00:44:18.380 --> 00:44:22.380
Oh, no, an observer wouldn't have seen it, but I was not envisioning it.

00:44:22.380 --> 00:44:24.380
It was just happening.

00:44:24.380 --> 00:44:25.380
Yeah.

00:44:25.380 --> 00:44:29.380
And it was the most bizarre. I mean, I'm driving my car, I'm on my way to Trader Joe's,

00:44:29.380 --> 00:44:33.380
and all of a sudden this water fountain, this low-pressure water fountain,

00:44:33.380 --> 00:44:37.380
just cruises up the back of my spine, part of it curls around to the front,

00:44:37.380 --> 00:44:41.380
And then this huge whoopee cushion gets filled up in my chest area.

00:44:41.380 --> 00:44:44.380
You know, and then some of the energy went up the top of my head.

00:44:44.380 --> 00:44:47.380
So many things have happened to me that I took it in stride.

00:44:47.380 --> 00:44:49.380
And this happened in the last ten years.

00:44:49.380 --> 00:44:55.380
The last ten years, something pretty much ridiculous has happened to me every day or week or month.

00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:57.380
It just happens constantly.

00:44:57.380 --> 00:44:58.380
Never a dull moment, right?

00:44:58.380 --> 00:45:01.380
No. And so this was just one of those things.

00:45:01.380 --> 00:45:04.380
And then it became a field later.

00:45:04.380 --> 00:45:06.980
So, I call that a Kundalini experience.

00:45:06.980 --> 00:45:11.340
Paul: And was it a shift such that your life was different in some way after that?

00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:15.060
Or was it just a one-off thing that happened one day and then you're back to normal?

00:45:15.060 --> 00:45:18.060
David: Well, that gets to this whole 10-year thing.

00:45:18.060 --> 00:45:23.980
I didn't not teach or go out into the public for 10 years because some teaching said that's

00:45:23.980 --> 00:45:26.540
what you do, though I knew that.

00:45:26.540 --> 00:45:33.220
But I did it mainly because I was getting knocked out by some change almost every day or every

00:45:33.220 --> 00:45:36.580
other day or weekly for the last 10 years.

00:45:36.580 --> 00:45:40.660
What do you mean by knocked out? In other words, yeah I don't mean knocked out.

00:45:40.660 --> 00:45:44.980
Kind of blasted by some powerful thing. Well I'll give you an example.

00:45:44.980 --> 00:45:49.780
Quite often if I'm driving in my car somewhere, the energies get so big that I

00:45:49.780 --> 00:45:53.220
have to pull over because I'm afraid something might be

00:45:53.220 --> 00:45:58.100
happening while I'm driving a car. Or sometimes my wife and I were driving

00:45:58.100 --> 00:46:02.420
somewhere, Tahoe or something, and normally I do the driving, but I

00:46:02.420 --> 00:46:05.820
will say, you know, I have to pull over, you need to drive.

00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:08.580
And it's because I just absolutely have to close my eyes,

00:46:08.580 --> 00:46:10.140
something's happening.

00:46:10.140 --> 00:46:12.900
Initially when I first woke up, it happened all the time,

00:46:12.900 --> 00:46:14.780
but it was part of the initial awakening.

00:46:14.780 --> 00:46:16.140
Well, it was like two years

00:46:16.140 --> 00:46:18.500
where I was on the couch half the time.

00:46:18.500 --> 00:46:20.140
A lot of times my wife had asked me, you know,

00:46:20.140 --> 00:46:20.980
"Where are you?"

00:46:20.980 --> 00:46:23.020
I'd be at some parking lot,

00:46:23.020 --> 00:46:27.400
tears coming out of my eyes for six hours at a time,

00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:29.180
just in gratitude.

00:46:29.180 --> 00:46:35.260
But what was happening in the last 10 years since really the first couple of years is

00:46:35.260 --> 00:46:43.060
right about the time that I had this really big abiding awakening, I also took up Qigong.

00:46:43.060 --> 00:46:51.060
Based on my energetic systems prior to starting Qigong, a lot of stuff was happening.

00:46:51.060 --> 00:46:54.780
Tiny channels smaller than a hair were getting six inches wide.

00:46:54.780 --> 00:46:58.820
You know, at one point in time I'm walking around like I'm, I had these huge tubular

00:46:58.820 --> 00:47:01.820
energy channels that I felt like the Michelin Man.

00:47:01.820 --> 00:47:06.100
I'm walking around just feeling bizarre with these just huge channels.

00:47:06.100 --> 00:47:12.180
And then I remember one day I sat back on the bed and then poof, the channels melded

00:47:12.180 --> 00:47:13.740
into one channel.

00:47:13.740 --> 00:47:16.420
And until that happened, I didn't know they had joints.

00:47:16.420 --> 00:47:19.100
But when they melded into one, I knew they had joints.

00:47:19.100 --> 00:47:22.460
And then they fade into fields of energy.

00:47:22.460 --> 00:47:28.300
This is why if I'm teaching, I would say we have a gross physical, then we have the gross

00:47:28.300 --> 00:47:30.580
subtle and then we have the subtle bodies.

00:47:30.580 --> 00:47:35.700
The subtle bodies don't exist yet and they're not latent, meaning they're different than

00:47:35.700 --> 00:47:39.120
the chakras and all that.

00:47:39.120 --> 00:47:45.380
If you're not dissipating energy and your energies start building and the rigidified

00:47:45.380 --> 00:47:50.500
energies that are unnatural are gotten rid of, then the natural pathways will start increasing

00:47:50.500 --> 00:47:57.100
and really growing. But then at a certain point in time, if you continue not dissipating energies

00:47:57.100 --> 00:48:03.080
and certain things happen, then some things mutate into fields that didn't exist before.

00:48:03.080 --> 00:48:09.260
And they can only exist if certain energies have transformed. So then you start having

00:48:09.260 --> 00:48:17.120
the subtle bodies. It's weird to call the chakras the gross subtle because they're not

00:48:17.120 --> 00:48:22.640
very gross. They're very, very fine. They're phenomenally fine. But the subtle bodies that

00:48:22.640 --> 00:48:29.320
can be created from effort are different. So I was getting clobbered with some of that.

00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:35.680
Clobbered in the sense of that I just had to sit oftentimes, or I had to be alone, or

00:48:35.680 --> 00:48:39.360
I had to not be doing something.

00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:45.780
In your experience, do you feel like you are rather unusual in that most people, even if

00:48:45.780 --> 00:48:53.060
they're undergoing profound spiritual development don't have such dramatic experiences.

00:48:53.060 --> 00:49:00.180
Do you think that your particular constitution is wired to have more vivid experiences than

00:49:00.180 --> 00:49:04.740
ordinary or do you think that the kinds of things you experience, that everyone will

00:49:04.740 --> 00:49:08.580
inevitably encounter such things somewhere along their path?

00:49:08.580 --> 00:49:14.980
I was extremely resistant to thinking I was different for a very long time.

00:49:14.980 --> 00:49:20.180
I don't think I'm different in the sense of being, obviously different in the sense that

00:49:20.180 --> 00:49:25.500
I've had a whole lot of experiences that very few people have had, or that very few people

00:49:25.500 --> 00:49:27.740
have had the group.

00:49:27.740 --> 00:49:33.220
You know, if you take each isolated thing, quite a few people have had some of those experiences.

00:49:33.220 --> 00:49:38.860
But my personal opinion is that most of us are intergalactic spaceships and we live and

00:49:38.860 --> 00:49:41.620
die inside the inner tube of one tire.

00:49:41.620 --> 00:49:45.180
In other words, in my father's house there are many mansions, but we're sitting in a

00:49:45.180 --> 00:49:46.180
closet.

00:49:46.180 --> 00:49:50.940
Yeah, and then some of us get up to the cockpit and we drive around like it's a bus.

00:49:50.940 --> 00:49:51.940
Yeah.

00:49:51.940 --> 00:49:57.260
I interpret that metaphor to mean like we've got this $500,000 Ferrari and we're stuck

00:49:57.260 --> 00:50:00.500
in traffic on the I-10 or something.

00:50:00.500 --> 00:50:02.300
But we're having a blast.

00:50:02.300 --> 00:50:09.340
This is alluding to what all the teachings say regarding not getting stuck on a city.

00:50:09.340 --> 00:50:11.340
So something fantastic can happen.

00:50:11.340 --> 00:50:14.820
Sidhi, S-I-D-D-H-I, I want to make sure people have caught that word.

00:50:14.820 --> 00:50:16.380
You know, like special abilities.

00:50:16.380 --> 00:50:20.420
In other words, extra abilities, parapsychological stuff.

00:50:20.420 --> 00:50:24.500
It is really easy for those things to become detours.

00:50:24.500 --> 00:50:27.940
And you know, it's always interesting in the traditions, they'll say, "Oh, these are detours,

00:50:27.940 --> 00:50:31.780
don't worry about that, don't even talk about it, it's not your goal."

00:50:31.780 --> 00:50:36.260
And yet at the same time, the students always know every one of the things that the teacher

00:50:36.260 --> 00:50:39.940
is achieved because that's kind of like a sign or whatever.

00:50:39.940 --> 00:50:43.060
And there's no question about it that all these abilities, different abilities that

00:50:43.060 --> 00:50:46.340
we have can be brought up.

00:50:46.340 --> 00:50:47.420
There's no question about it.

00:50:47.420 --> 00:50:51.180
You look at the average person, most people are centered in two chakras.

00:50:51.180 --> 00:50:56.620
They have one main chakra and they have a backup chakra that is complementary.

00:50:56.620 --> 00:51:00.020
And then many of the rest of their chakras are not particularly very well developed.

00:51:00.020 --> 00:51:05.420
Most people's aura doesn't really extend much below the hips unless they're an athlete or

00:51:05.420 --> 00:51:10.780
dancer or yogi, you know, person really, physical. You can go into whole countries

00:51:10.780 --> 00:51:15.740
where by and large a lot of the people are not very well lit up. You can go into

00:51:15.740 --> 00:51:21.840
cities, they're much more lit up. Complexity definitely exercises people

00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:28.000
more, but a whole lot of the abilities that are within us, we use all the time,

00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:31.760
we're just not really aware of it. There's times when you turn around

00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:36.320
because you don't know why and there's somebody staring at you. That's a very

00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:42.880
clear awareness that most people are not aware of and there's all kinds of stuff

00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:46.840
that we bat down. Rupert Sheldrake wrote a whole book about the sense of being

00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:51.880
stared at. I heard a talk by him recently and he said that private eyes, detectives,

00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:56.600
know about this and if they're following somebody they'll be very careful not to

00:51:56.600 --> 00:52:00.260
look at the person's back because the person will turn around and blow their

00:52:00.260 --> 00:52:03.260
So they can't lose the guy, but they look at his feet.

00:52:03.260 --> 00:52:07.260
And somehow that doesn't trigger the awareness that they're being stared at.

00:52:07.260 --> 00:52:10.260
When I was really practicing a lot of psychic stuff,

00:52:10.260 --> 00:52:13.260
there were so many things I was really honed in on.

00:52:13.260 --> 00:52:16.260
One of which was, if a policeman was around,

00:52:16.260 --> 00:52:22.260
if I was driving a car, and all of a sudden my first chakra was in a heightened state,

00:52:22.260 --> 00:52:26.260
you know, most of us in the West, our first chakra is never in a heightened state,

00:52:26.260 --> 00:52:29.260
Because we're not worried about things that would make our...

00:52:29.260 --> 00:52:31.260
Tigers attacking us.

00:52:31.260 --> 00:52:36.260
Yeah, but a police with a radar gun who's trying to nail you, most of those guys are running

00:52:36.260 --> 00:52:37.820
on first chakra.

00:52:37.820 --> 00:52:42.560
They're very in tune to anomalies, people that are a threat.

00:52:42.560 --> 00:52:46.220
So if I'm driving along and all of a sudden my first chakra goes off, I slow down right

00:52:46.220 --> 00:52:49.340
away because there's definitely a speed trap happening.

00:52:49.340 --> 00:52:53.860
But what's going on on an energetic level is so phenomenal.

00:52:53.860 --> 00:53:00.220
Or here's another one, people with beautiful thought forms, beautiful thought forms hanging

00:53:00.220 --> 00:53:01.220
out.

00:53:01.220 --> 00:53:02.460
And also, this is a great one.

00:53:02.460 --> 00:53:05.420
This is really interesting for our times.

00:53:05.420 --> 00:53:10.800
So let's say you're listening to hate radio, and you are really into five or six channels

00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:14.700
of hate radio, you know, and so you're tuning forks for the hate radio.

00:53:14.700 --> 00:53:16.060
They're right around you.

00:53:16.060 --> 00:53:19.660
So let's say you're in a sandwich, you're having a good time, or you're driving a car,

00:53:19.660 --> 00:53:23.980
You're having a good time, you're listening to music, and somebody drives by you close

00:53:23.980 --> 00:53:29.920
enough and they're listening to hate radio, that vibration, that tuning fork energy reaches

00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:34.380
your tuning forks and poof, suddenly you're starting to think politics.

00:53:34.380 --> 00:53:38.380
Even though five seconds earlier, one second earlier, you're having a great time listening

00:53:38.380 --> 00:53:39.940
to the Beatles or something.

00:53:39.940 --> 00:53:44.540
And now all of a sudden, you know, your head's gone off on this political crap and you can't

00:53:44.540 --> 00:53:45.820
get it out of your head.

00:53:45.820 --> 00:53:52.160
And it's all because somebody drove by and their tuning fork got your tuning fork going.

00:53:52.160 --> 00:53:56.940
We think we're originating all these thoughts, and it is as automatic as that.

00:53:56.940 --> 00:53:58.940
We're all little transmitter receivers.

00:53:58.940 --> 00:54:03.660
I was having a conversation with somebody today about collective consciousness and how

00:54:03.660 --> 00:54:08.420
at a subtle level, collective consciousness is like this giant sponge, if you will, which

00:54:08.420 --> 00:54:14.980
absorbs the influences that we all generate and then conveys them between us and so on,

00:54:14.980 --> 00:54:19.700
the influences can generate, well, to switch metaphors, it can be like a cloud where the

00:54:19.700 --> 00:54:24.260
static electricity builds up to such an extent that the cloud can't hold anymore and then

00:54:24.260 --> 00:54:28.700
strikes out as lightning. So, like that, you know, tension can collect in collective consciousness

00:54:28.700 --> 00:54:33.100
to the point where a war breaks out because it can't take anymore. It's a whole subtle

00:54:33.100 --> 00:54:37.420
phenomenon. So, what's going on in the world is not just politics and economics and religions

00:54:37.420 --> 00:54:42.980
battling each other and so on. There's a whole ebb and flow in the, I guess, Jung called

00:54:42.980 --> 00:54:46.020
at the collective unconscious that interlinks us all.

00:54:46.020 --> 00:54:47.020
Yeah.

00:54:47.020 --> 00:54:48.020
Okay.

00:54:48.020 --> 00:54:50.380
You were just talking about speed traps.

00:54:50.380 --> 00:54:52.780
Tell the story of seeing futures.

00:54:52.780 --> 00:54:55.980
Sears point to Vallejo, Highway 37.

00:54:55.980 --> 00:54:56.980
Yeah.

00:54:56.980 --> 00:55:01.460
Well, there was the two stories are fun that I sent to you.

00:55:01.460 --> 00:55:04.100
So one is, it was fairly late at night.

00:55:04.100 --> 00:55:10.340
I had just spent three, four hours at the San Rafael Berkeley Psychic Institute.

00:55:10.340 --> 00:55:12.820
And I'd been doing readings for that whole time.

00:55:12.820 --> 00:55:15.100
So I was in a great space.

00:55:15.100 --> 00:55:19.480
So I'm driving home to Vallejo and on the way there, there's this place where you turn

00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:21.580
off of the Sears Point Raceway area.

00:55:21.580 --> 00:55:23.620
I think it's a different name now.

00:55:23.620 --> 00:55:26.460
You go down 37 and there's water on each side.

00:55:26.460 --> 00:55:31.560
So it's flat and you can do 100 miles an hour and you're not going to get pulled over.

00:55:31.560 --> 00:55:32.560
So I did.

00:55:32.560 --> 00:55:34.540
I would typically go 100 miles an hour there.

00:55:34.540 --> 00:55:36.260
So I was going up to about 100 miles an hour.

00:55:36.260 --> 00:55:37.660
I think it was like 90 something.

00:55:37.660 --> 00:55:46.260
I saw this very clear video of my right front tire popping and me flying off into the swamp

00:55:46.260 --> 00:55:48.900
basically and landing upside down.

00:55:48.900 --> 00:55:51.140
Very very clear, full video.

00:55:51.140 --> 00:55:53.780
So I started slowing down.

00:55:53.780 --> 00:55:56.260
I wasn't in any rush to begin with.

00:55:56.260 --> 00:55:59.420
And this was a full on video.

00:55:59.420 --> 00:56:01.140
That's the way futures show.

00:56:01.140 --> 00:56:08.580
that typically shows like a exact video what's about to happen or a knowingness

00:56:08.580 --> 00:56:13.980
of extremely strong knowingness, just differences. But you can change things,

00:56:13.980 --> 00:56:20.180
you can change them. I learned that. So I slowed down to 40 or 50 or whatever and

00:56:20.180 --> 00:56:25.260
and it was one of those nights you know where it was foggy and kind of...

00:56:25.260 --> 00:56:27.300
You're doing a hundred miles an hour in the fog, okay.

00:56:27.300 --> 00:56:31.620
Well, it wasn't really foggy, but I mean, you know, it was kind of foggy, but visibility

00:56:31.620 --> 00:56:32.920
was still good.

00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:33.920
Still several miles.

00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:36.220
I guess what I'm saying, it was just one of those muddy...

00:56:36.220 --> 00:56:37.220
Kind of dark.

00:56:37.220 --> 00:56:38.220
Yeah, yeah.

00:56:38.220 --> 00:56:41.180
And it was like 10, 30, 11 o'clock or even maybe later.

00:56:41.180 --> 00:56:46.540
So what I decided was that at the end of the straightaway is this like 7-Eleven kind of

00:56:46.540 --> 00:56:49.220
place that has really lousy energy.

00:56:49.220 --> 00:56:54.740
Well, oddly enough, really bad energy can be refreshing at times because when things are

00:56:54.740 --> 00:57:00.900
just kind of sleepy and trancy or whatever, really lousy energy. It's like a cold shower.

00:57:00.900 --> 00:57:01.900
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Round.

00:57:01.900 --> 00:57:06.620
Dave Korsunsky: Yeah, exactly. It's not particularly fun but it pops you in your head and kind

00:57:06.620 --> 00:57:11.100
of revivifies everything. So I walked in there, energy was horrible, just fantastic.

00:57:11.100 --> 00:57:12.100
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [Laughter]

00:57:12.100 --> 00:57:15.700
Dave Korsunsky: Grab some water, paid for my water. I get in the car, I turn the car

00:57:15.700 --> 00:57:23.980
on, I'm driving out the parking lot, 2-3 miles an hour and I no sooner turn to the right,

00:57:23.980 --> 00:57:29.820
right front tire pops and it doesn't, it's not a slow leak, it's just bang, you know,

00:57:29.820 --> 00:57:35.940
gone. So I pull over and at that point in time I'm smiling because that tire, obviously I

00:57:35.940 --> 00:57:41.100
was concerned because now I have a flat tire, but another part of me is totally happy because

00:57:41.100 --> 00:57:42.100
I saw that.

00:57:42.100 --> 00:57:43.500
Yeah, dead.

00:57:43.500 --> 00:57:49.260
So the tire had to blow, but it could blow at 100 miles an hour with some big problems

00:57:49.260 --> 00:57:56.300
or at two miles an hour. So I was very happy and it was just fun. That's fun, the universe

00:57:56.300 --> 00:58:02.620
coming through like that. So then it's like 11 something at night and there's Vallejo.

00:58:02.620 --> 00:58:09.180
Vallejo has a mixed reputation. Anyway, there happened to be four black guys that were walking

00:58:09.180 --> 00:58:14.300
on the other side of the street and they now are walking directly to me. Yeah, it didn't really

00:58:14.300 --> 00:58:20.560
necessarily present a problem, but I was concerned a bit. And long story short, they came over

00:58:20.560 --> 00:58:22.260
and changed the tire for me.

00:58:22.260 --> 00:58:24.960
And then you gave them a ride someplace.

00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:30.260
So then I asked if they wanted a ride, and I gave them a ride. I couldn't have been,

00:58:30.260 --> 00:58:36.700
I mean, it was as good as it gets. The tire blew in a perfectly safe situation. The tire

00:58:36.700 --> 00:58:41.100
was changed for me, and I got to give them a ride somewhere. I mean, you know, how ridiculous

00:58:41.100 --> 00:58:42.100
is that?

00:58:42.100 --> 00:58:50.100
Somebody sent in a question here, William Box from Miami. I'm going to ask you something in addition to his question.

00:58:50.100 --> 00:58:55.100
His question is, "Has he had to deal with the demonic? Has he ever been attacked?"

00:58:55.100 --> 00:59:01.100
And I wanted you to talk a little bit about your channeling experience, if this would be an appropriate place to add that in.

00:59:01.100 --> 00:59:11.100
Because you described that and you gave some very, what I consider to be, important warnings about channeling that I think should be more widely known.

00:59:11.100 --> 00:59:18.100
So, one of the most popular things these days is the spiritual warrior.

00:59:18.100 --> 00:59:22.100
You mean like Carlos Castaneda kind of stuff?

00:59:22.100 --> 00:59:27.100
Well, there's Carlos Castaneda, but I mean there's other books since then where they really get into the spiritual warrior.

00:59:27.100 --> 00:59:32.100
If you really look at Carlos Castaneda, he was not a spiritual warrior.

00:59:32.100 --> 00:59:38.100
But anyway, the point is that there's a lot of teachings, a lot of practices where you learn to put up guards,

00:59:38.100 --> 00:59:43.740
You learn to put up all kinds of ways in which you keep negative energy out of your space

00:59:43.740 --> 00:59:50.340
and how to get rid of negative energy and things along the line of exorcism and/or,

00:59:50.340 --> 00:59:53.540
let's say, clearing spirits out of a house or doing that.

00:59:53.540 --> 00:59:54.740
I've done all those things.

00:59:54.740 --> 00:59:59.060
Before you continue, let me add that three people I've interviewed have gotten in touch

00:59:59.060 --> 01:00:05.580
with me, independent of one another, and said that just out of the blue, they found themselves

01:00:05.580 --> 01:00:10.220
having come under attack by negative entities and they were wondering if I knew what to

01:00:10.220 --> 01:00:13.620
do about it or if I could recommend someone to them.

01:00:13.620 --> 01:00:18.340
And one of them was sort of an animal communicator, so she was opening herself up to sort of psychic

01:00:18.340 --> 01:00:19.520
abilities.

01:00:19.520 --> 01:00:27.020
The other guy, yeah, he was sort of into giving Shakti pot and being open to this and that.

01:00:27.020 --> 01:00:31.580
And the other one, I don't know any such details, but in every case, obviously, these are people

01:00:31.580 --> 01:00:35.980
who had undergone some kind of spiritual awakening and who were open in ways that the average

01:00:35.980 --> 01:00:41.680
person isn't, and then out of the blue, unexpectedly, they found themselves being assailed by some

01:00:41.680 --> 01:00:42.680
negative entities.

01:00:42.680 --> 01:00:46.840
And it wasn't just a one-off deal, it was continuing for a while and they were trying

01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:47.840
to get out of it.

01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:51.380
So, I just wanted to throw that in for you to embellish your comments with.

01:00:51.380 --> 01:00:55.660
Yeah, this is a huge subject.

01:00:55.660 --> 01:01:00.980
There's a part of me that wants to just start with what I guess I will start with, but it

01:01:00.980 --> 01:01:06.660
may seem phenomenally simplistic, and that is that all of the energies that would attack

01:01:06.660 --> 01:01:10.180
you are lower levels of energy.

01:01:10.180 --> 01:01:17.700
And so as your energy gets to a certain point, the negative entities, they don't exist.

01:01:17.700 --> 01:01:18.700
They don't go there.

01:01:18.700 --> 01:01:26.540
That was one of the funnest things when I got to know Master Yao is that quite a few times

01:01:26.540 --> 01:01:33.140
I was already well along on all this stuff, and I didn't know how much Master Yao knew,

01:01:33.140 --> 01:01:39.580
but a lot of Chinese are quite superstitious and/or aware of spirit, but also very much

01:01:39.580 --> 01:01:40.820
in resistance to it.

01:01:40.820 --> 01:01:44.500
And the resistance is a huge problem because it attracts them.

01:01:44.500 --> 01:01:46.140
It's like flypaper.

01:01:46.140 --> 01:01:51.340
If you're extremely in resistance to it, they're going to stick to you, or they may.

01:01:51.340 --> 01:01:53.940
Is that saying, that which you resist persists?

01:01:53.940 --> 01:01:54.940
Yeah, yeah.

01:01:54.940 --> 01:01:57.940
Yeah, well, and that's also what Lewis used to say.

01:01:57.940 --> 01:01:59.440
"We resist, you become."

01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:01.240
Very famous saying with Lewis.

01:02:01.240 --> 01:02:02.440
He was wonderful.

01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:05.740
So, here was Master Yao telling these people,

01:02:05.740 --> 01:02:08.740
basically, "Raise your energy. Raise your energy."

01:02:08.740 --> 01:02:10.540
But that was like all he said.

01:02:10.540 --> 01:02:13.140
Just raise your energy, like, don't worry about this.

01:02:13.140 --> 01:02:16.740
Just move your energy up, and they won't be there.

01:02:16.740 --> 01:02:21.240
It's kind of like, you know, a sewer rat doesn't go to dinner at a five-star restaurant.

01:02:21.240 --> 01:02:23.440
They may be there at night or something like that.

01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:28.320
But my point is that certain types of beings, they're uncomfortable at a certain level.

01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:29.320
They're not there.

01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:30.320
You can't miss them.

01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:32.080
They stick out like sore thumbs.

01:02:32.080 --> 01:02:33.800
They're completely ineffectual.

01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:40.200
And the other thing is that, and this is one of the hardest things to hear, 99.99% of the

01:02:40.200 --> 01:02:44.880
negative entities are no bigger and no more powerful than a gnat.

01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:47.880
But your resistance turns them into an elephant.

01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:54.600
And so one of the biggest disservices that religions do when they preach devil, they're

01:02:54.600 --> 01:02:59.380
really teaching devil worship because they teach how powerful these negative entities

01:02:59.380 --> 01:03:03.560
are and in reality they're phenomenally not powerful.

01:03:03.560 --> 01:03:09.300
And they only are really relegated to a realm that is quite low.

01:03:09.300 --> 01:03:15.880
Another disservice that the religions do is they teach that a god believes in eternal

01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:22.600
torture in hell realms. There's no being that's an inch tall that believes in

01:03:22.600 --> 01:03:29.000
eternal torture of anything. It's time we get over some of that nonsense. So what

01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:33.960
I'm saying about this seems is extraordinarily simplified, but I don't

01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:38.720
want to give the idea that it really takes much to rise above this. For a huge

01:03:38.720 --> 01:03:43.280
number of people, negative entities, things like that, are not a problem. It's not

01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:44.960
Not because they're special.

01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:48.920
It's because maybe they've never been taught to fear those things.

01:03:48.920 --> 01:03:54.840
They've never been close to somebody that's been taken over by that kind of stuff because

01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:59.960
they naturally don't vibrate at levels where much of that exists.

01:03:59.960 --> 01:04:03.560
And that's not to say that they're higher people or lower people.

01:04:03.560 --> 01:04:08.140
But in the particular life that they're at right now, they're not vibrating at an energy

01:04:08.140 --> 01:04:10.080
level that is attracting that.

01:04:10.080 --> 01:04:14.920
And it could well be because they haven't been taught to fear those things, which shouldn't

01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:15.920
be feared.

01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:17.600
They shouldn't be feared at all.

01:04:17.600 --> 01:04:20.440
That said, if you could repeat the question.

01:04:20.440 --> 01:04:25.360
He said, "Have you had to deal with the demonic or have you ever been attacked?"

01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:29.000
When I was younger, I started learning all about this kind of stuff.

01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:32.440
Now, at one point in time, I used to play high limit poker.

01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:35.360
And I was very familiar with my energy at the time.

01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:38.400
And at the same time, you're playing a higher limit.

01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:43.360
got people that are, they know how to whack and throw energy like you've never seen.

01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:51.700
So by the time that I got really into certain energy stuff, I was used to being with very

01:04:51.700 --> 01:04:58.120
bad people and I was used to being around certain types of energy that were rough energy.

01:04:58.120 --> 01:05:02.800
And then I started learning about psychic defense and all this kind of stuff and all

01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:04.480
of which is very real.

01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:05.520
It's all very real.

01:05:05.520 --> 01:05:09.600
can learn all that kind of stuff and everything else. I learned how to become

01:05:09.600 --> 01:05:15.640
invisible. That's not as difficult as it would sound. I could hear things and you

01:05:15.640 --> 01:05:22.620
can see darkness and certain energies and all kinds of things. And then also you

01:05:22.620 --> 01:05:29.680
can do things to beings that will make them understand that they're not, they

01:05:29.680 --> 01:05:33.480
don't have any choice in certain things. If they want to continue coming at me

01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:39.800
they're going to have very serious problems. But the problems are more in the sense of

01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:42.840
taking that being back to where they got stuck.

01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:44.840
Paul And there, by helping to liberate them?

01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:49.240
Richard Yeah, yeah. Again, that's why also the idea

01:05:49.240 --> 01:05:55.000
of eternal torture of some being. If you take a being, if you take Hitler back to a certain point,

01:05:55.000 --> 01:06:00.280
at a certain point in time, he's just a boy. And at some point in time, he gets stuck. Obviously,

01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:07.320
very charged word, but, or his name, but people get stuck. And then also a lot of problems

01:06:07.320 --> 01:06:12.040
are actual chemical imbalances in people and stuff like that. But when you're talking about

01:06:12.040 --> 01:06:18.840
beings, the vast majority of the beings are nothing. But like I said, they're like a gnat,

01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:24.840
except because of your fears, they are every bit as real as a bull elephant coming at you.

01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:30.520
Now when a bull elephant is coming at you, even if it's a gnat, if you think it's a bull elephant,

01:06:30.520 --> 01:06:35.480
it is very hard for you to not resist the idea of this bull elephant and it's very hard for you to

01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:40.440
get neutral because you're already not neutral. You got a bull elephant breathing down your neck

01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:46.680
and things are happening and what is happening is very real because the fear that's being induced

01:06:46.680 --> 01:06:53.640
is utilizing the energies available to you, much of which you don't know. So you can get all kinds

01:06:53.640 --> 01:07:00.120
of bizarre things happening and when it's completely out of your control and you're in a kind of

01:07:00.120 --> 01:07:07.160
a state of hysteria, many unnatural abilities and unnatural events can start happening because

01:07:07.160 --> 01:07:09.960
you've relinquished all control.

01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:12.880
I'm not saying it's all within the same person.

01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:17.440
I think that's a pretty good explanation that does a very horrible job of explaining what

01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:18.440
I'm talking about.

01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:24.760
- It's okay. I was listening to a video the other day by a guy named Jamie Weal, W-H-E-A-L,

01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:30.520
and he was talking about the phenomenon of so many spiritual teachers crashing and burning. You know,

01:07:30.520 --> 01:07:35.400
they get to a certain point with fame and attention and all this stuff, and they seem so bright and

01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:42.280
charismatic, and then it goes south. And he likened it to the Lord of the Rings, where if there's any

01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:49.320
little bit of ego, you have to sort of refine and purify the higher you go. And if there's any little

01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:56.440
bit of ego left, it's like a chink in the armor, and it can result in your downfall. Even Frodo,

01:07:56.440 --> 01:08:00.200
like when he got to the point of being able to throw the ring into the pit of fire,

01:08:00.200 --> 01:08:05.160
remnants of ego sort of flared up, and he thought, "Oh, how great I can be." And then,

01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:11.960
what's his name, you know, Gollum. So, at that point, Gollum, like, bit his finger off and fell

01:08:11.960 --> 01:08:15.480
into the fire with the ring, and that was the end of the story. But had he not done that,

01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:19.880
Frodo would have succumbed to the temptation, because the closer he got to the fire, which I

01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:25.240
think kind of could represent the sort of other dissolution of Ego, the more the Ego flared up in

01:08:25.240 --> 01:08:30.280
in defense or in response. So, anyway, that's a little bit long-winded, but this phenomenon of

01:08:30.280 --> 01:08:35.960
teachers getting into trouble seems so common, and it could be interpreted as they coming under

01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:40.680
attack because they're emanating so much light and the dark forces don't like it, or maybe

01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:46.040
we could analyze it entirely in terms of their individual psychology and shadow stuff that

01:08:46.040 --> 01:08:50.680
hasn't been dealt with. Or Irene saying they just became teachers before they should have,

01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:51.680
which actually can…

01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:52.680
Pete: They became what?

01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:55.000
Tom: Teachers perhaps before they should have.

01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:59.480
Pete: Here's what's interesting. This is a good subject. It's, again, these are

01:08:59.480 --> 01:09:04.680
monstrous subjects. So, you know, let's say you have this massive awakening. I had the

01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:11.640
massive awakening. Just an enormous awakening. You're gone. Your positions are gone. In every

01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:17.880
human being, some of the positions are like governors. You know you're an asshole. You

01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:22.120
know you've got this or that problem. And you have these governors.

01:09:22.120 --> 01:09:26.360
Governors meaning like that prevents the car from going any faster?

01:09:26.360 --> 01:09:27.800
Yeah. A limit. A speed limit.

01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:32.040
Yeah, exactly. Cars used to have governors where you couldn't go past a certain speed

01:09:32.040 --> 01:09:36.120
because the revolutions per minute would blow the engine up or whatever.

01:09:36.120 --> 01:09:38.600
Right. I think rental cars still may have that.

01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:43.320
Or your parents may have put some throttle on something so that you can go so fast.

01:09:43.320 --> 01:09:49.400
So we have internally all kinds of throttles. A healthy person has all kinds of throttles.

01:09:49.400 --> 01:09:53.960
A typical throttle is you put clothes on before you go outside because a lot of people don't want

01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:57.640
to see you walking around naked and you don't really want to go to a rubber room that day.

01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:01.000
So you could call that a throttle, but I mean, you know, that's a thing you know you don't do.

01:10:01.640 --> 01:10:03.640
You mean a governor, not a throttle.

01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:04.140
Yeah.

01:10:04.140 --> 01:10:06.140
Yeah, in other words, there are things you do...

01:10:06.140 --> 01:10:08.140
A constraint, a restraint, or a constraint.

01:10:08.140 --> 01:10:10.140
There's certain appropriateness that you...

01:10:10.140 --> 01:10:15.140
of all kinds of things that you have inculcated into your beingness.

01:10:15.140 --> 01:10:15.640
Right.

01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:18.640
And you have a massive awakening.

01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:20.640
Throttles are gone as well.

01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:24.640
And literally, you may have been an introverted, embarrassed person

01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:26.640
that would never walk around naked.

01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:31.140
And you wake up and you could walk outside stark naked.

01:10:31.140 --> 01:10:32.480
wouldn't matter to you at all,

01:10:32.480 --> 01:10:35.260
other than the fact that you know it would matter to them.

01:10:35.260 --> 01:10:38.340
Certain fear levels that used to hold you back, they're gone.

01:10:38.340 --> 01:10:41.500
And you don't necessarily feel like testing the water.

01:10:41.500 --> 01:10:42.420
It's just they're gone.

01:10:42.420 --> 01:10:46.020
There's just all kinds of fear is gone from your space.

01:10:46.020 --> 01:10:47.860
There's a huge lightness.

01:10:47.860 --> 01:10:50.900
There's all kinds of grasping, solid position,

01:10:50.900 --> 01:10:53.020
this solid, that, that's all gone.

01:10:53.020 --> 01:10:53.860
- Interesting.

01:10:53.860 --> 01:10:57.020
- This is a huge problem for people.

01:10:57.020 --> 01:10:59.500
This is one of the things I was alluding to earlier.

01:10:59.500 --> 01:11:05.020
If you have meditated a lot and suddenly all this stuff is gone, you're already acclimated

01:11:05.020 --> 01:11:08.980
to not re-grabbing onto your positions.

01:11:08.980 --> 01:11:12.580
But as you brought up many, many times, there's Laetia videa.

01:11:12.580 --> 01:11:13.580
But I want to say...

01:11:13.580 --> 01:11:15.420
Which means faint remains of ignorance.

01:11:15.420 --> 01:11:18.860
And let me just reflect on something you just said before you go on, which is I was watching

01:11:18.860 --> 01:11:23.380
a documentary about Andrew Cohen the other night called How I Started a Cult.

01:11:23.380 --> 01:11:27.820
And they showed footage of him when he was younger in his cult saying, "I have absolutely

01:11:27.820 --> 01:11:34.500
no doubt about myself, I have absolutely no constraints, whatever I do is right spontaneously

01:11:34.500 --> 01:11:37.900
and so on and so forth. Meanwhile, they're shaving their heads, they're getting weirder

01:11:37.900 --> 01:11:43.340
and weirder, and then it juxtaposed to now where they're interviewing him and he's saying,

01:11:43.340 --> 01:11:48.140
I don't know what happened to me, I was off my rocker and I didn't realize it, I was doing

01:11:48.140 --> 01:11:53.420
all this crazy stuff. It's an example like you just said of you have this blowout awakening

01:11:53.420 --> 01:11:57.460
and there are no constraints, you feel like I'm perfect, I can do whatever I want.

01:11:57.460 --> 01:12:01.940
Even if you don't feel perfect or even if you don't feel like you can do whatever you want

01:12:01.940 --> 01:12:07.860
It isn't like your teachers are no longer there waiting to whack you first of all, they aren't anymore

01:12:07.860 --> 01:12:13.260
But the other thing is you just don't care but it's not like you don't care like they're lower than me

01:12:13.260 --> 01:12:17.500
It's simply that you do not care not in a cold sense or anything else

01:12:17.500 --> 01:12:23.660
in other words this part of you that is attached to the cultural conditioning a

01:12:24.100 --> 01:12:29.540
huge amount of it is just gone. It's just no longer there.

01:12:29.540 --> 01:12:33.940
So what I hear you saying is not just that it's because you're a teacher that you feel

01:12:33.940 --> 01:12:40.260
like you're entitled to do whatever you want, but that somehow an actual spiritual awakening,

01:12:40.260 --> 01:12:45.420
not a complete one, but a partial spiritual awakening can blow out all your governors,

01:12:45.420 --> 01:12:50.100
all your restraints, constraints, and make you feel like you no longer have the sort of

01:12:50.100 --> 01:12:52.460
critical feedback of yourself.

01:12:52.460 --> 01:12:58.360
And the other thing is, it becomes very difficult not to realize that the world out there is

01:12:58.360 --> 01:13:00.380
just walking in fear.

01:13:00.380 --> 01:13:02.940
It is just everywhere.

01:13:02.940 --> 01:13:07.960
Now the great thing is that we're at a time in history where we're in less fear than we

01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:10.540
have ever been in the history of humanity.

01:13:10.540 --> 01:13:16.660
Obviously, there's massive exceptions and obviously a couple hundred years ago we didn't have nuclear

01:13:16.660 --> 01:13:18.560
warheads or anything else.

01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:22.760
But one of the reasons we're having so many awakenings right now, I call it the age of

01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:29.020
the free walker, and I place it as having started around 2015, give or take.

01:13:29.020 --> 01:13:35.640
Because a series of events have led up to around 2015 where humanity is now in a place

01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:41.660
that's just never been ever for, let's say, a critical mass of people.

01:13:41.660 --> 01:13:46.820
Critical mass could be 10 million people or could be less, could be way more.

01:13:46.820 --> 01:13:54.660
But the point is that we're walking around now so much less under the thumb of dictators,

01:13:54.660 --> 01:13:57.580
lords, kings.

01:13:57.580 --> 01:14:04.220
We're walking around, obviously not everybody, we've got insurance for our apartment, insurance

01:14:04.220 --> 01:14:10.620
for our car, we have health insurance or we have universal health insurance, we have a

01:14:10.620 --> 01:14:17.660
a freezer with frozen things in it and then a refrigerator and we've got cash and you

01:14:17.660 --> 01:14:20.200
can have business insurance.

01:14:20.200 --> 01:14:24.220
If I want to wear a tattoo, 30, 40 years ago, you know, Rick, you're old enough, 30, 40

01:14:24.220 --> 01:14:29.060
years ago, if a woman had a tattoo, nothing was being said but her options in life were

01:14:29.060 --> 01:14:35.580
different and guys the same way, unless you had like a flag or a battleship from the Navy,

01:14:35.580 --> 01:14:40.860
which was viewed completely as a mistake, but one that was obviously something you probably

01:14:40.860 --> 01:14:42.460
did when you were drunk.

01:14:42.460 --> 01:14:44.460
Tattoos couldn't be shown.

01:14:44.460 --> 01:14:47.460
Gay people, extraordinarily in the closet.

01:14:47.460 --> 01:14:51.940
I'm not saying they're not, but the point is that lots of these people, they can be

01:14:51.940 --> 01:14:56.460
living in Georgia, working for a company in Australia.

01:14:56.460 --> 01:15:00.500
And now we know what that means, that they work at home online.

01:15:00.500 --> 01:15:05.500
Just to finish this, one of the things, the reason I say 2015 is because obviously we had

01:15:05.500 --> 01:15:10.860
the internet and we had all these things, but around 2015, 3D printing came in.

01:15:10.860 --> 01:15:16.660
And you may think that's not a big deal, but 3D printing and universal health care made

01:15:16.660 --> 01:15:23.200
it so that the big corporations really don't have the big thumb they used to.

01:15:23.200 --> 01:15:28.300
It used to be if you had a fantastic idea, you'd make it out of balsa wood, it didn't

01:15:28.300 --> 01:15:30.460
work and you'd show it to somebody.

01:15:30.460 --> 01:15:34.180
And they could steal it from you fairly easily or they may pay for it.

01:15:34.180 --> 01:15:38.660
But they usually pay you nothing because you couldn't show them a working thing.

01:15:38.660 --> 01:15:41.700
Now you know I go to the Consumer Electronics Show every year.

01:15:41.700 --> 01:15:42.700
Oh that's it, you're an inventor.

01:15:42.700 --> 01:15:44.060
Okay, so keep going.

01:15:44.060 --> 01:15:50.140
Yeah, well the thing is, you have a fantastic idea, you can 3D print it for a few thousand

01:15:50.140 --> 01:15:52.300
bucks and you can show up at a show.

01:15:52.300 --> 01:15:56.180
If you can't get any interest with the big guys, but you're positive you have a good

01:15:56.180 --> 01:16:03.780
product, you can show up for $5,000 with a booth at CES and show your working product.

01:16:03.780 --> 01:16:07.740
And I mean, somebody can come by and say, "I love your product, but you should change this."

01:16:07.740 --> 01:16:11.380
Boom, that night you go home and you print out a different one with a new improved thing

01:16:11.380 --> 01:16:12.380
immediately.

01:16:12.380 --> 01:16:18.940
Not long ago, you would have to go to a company like Mattel or some big manufacturer and they'd

01:16:18.940 --> 01:16:23.780
tell you, "It's going to cost us a million dollars in molds to make this thing just to

01:16:23.780 --> 01:16:25.100
see if it works.

01:16:25.100 --> 01:16:28.660
And we're not sure if it's going to be a big success and everything else, so we'll give

01:16:28.660 --> 01:16:32.540
you a quarter of a quarter of a quarter of a percent."

01:16:32.540 --> 01:16:36.380
But nowadays you can walk in with a complete working model and if they're not interested,

01:16:36.380 --> 01:16:41.260
you know in your mind anyway that it's a great idea. You can tell them, "Well, hey, you know,

01:16:41.260 --> 01:16:46.380
thank you for your time. I'm going to go to CES. If you do want to contact me in the meantime,

01:16:46.380 --> 01:16:52.060
you're welcome to." And that with universal health care, where you can have a pre-existing condition

01:16:52.060 --> 01:16:57.180
and you aren't stuck with this one job because you can't possibly leave because if you do,

01:16:57.180 --> 01:17:01.180
I mean, you're dead or your kid's dead. You're referring to Obamacare, by the way.

01:17:01.740 --> 01:17:06.780
Yeah, exactly. But I mean, that's in the United States. If you look in many other countries,

01:17:06.780 --> 01:17:08.060
Oh, I see better in other countries.

01:17:08.060 --> 01:17:15.340
Yeah, way better. And so, the reason I'm bringing this up as far as awakening is that our systems,

01:17:15.340 --> 01:17:21.580
many of us, again, I mean, there's massive exceptions, so I'm not trying to say that this

01:17:21.580 --> 01:17:29.420
has solved anything, but there are a lot of people walking around now who do not have an inculcation

01:17:29.420 --> 01:17:36.620
in their physical, gross physical, gross subtle subtle bodies of fear from religions, of fear

01:17:36.620 --> 01:17:45.180
from losing everything, of fear of someone seeing a tattoo, of fear of I can't go anywhere

01:17:45.180 --> 01:17:47.100
I'm a female.

01:17:47.100 --> 01:17:52.180
Women are able to move forward on levels that 30 years ago, I didn't realize until I was

01:17:52.180 --> 01:17:53.700
studying a lot of this stuff.

01:17:53.700 --> 01:17:57.740
In the 1970s my wife's mother couldn't get her vacuum cleaner.

01:17:57.740 --> 01:17:59.740
You know that famous vacuum cleaner story?

01:17:59.740 --> 01:18:06.020
I thought this was at the 50s where Hoover used to sell vacuums and they were fairly expensive

01:18:06.020 --> 01:18:09.160
But they wouldn't sell them to the housewife that wanted to buy them

01:18:09.160 --> 01:18:14.400
They had to get permission from the husband even to get a credit card and stuff women needed

01:18:14.400 --> 01:18:18.020
Yeah in the 70s

01:18:18.020 --> 01:18:21.580
Virginia Slims

01:18:22.460 --> 01:18:26.860
You've come a long way baby to get where you got to today. You've got your own cigarette now, baby

01:18:26.860 --> 01:18:30.580
You've come a long long way. What a ridiculous ad that was anyway

01:18:30.580 --> 01:18:32.380
I don't want to eat up too much of our time with this

01:18:32.380 --> 01:18:37.500
But I just want to mention in a one point that AI is gonna be a huge game changer

01:18:37.500 --> 01:18:40.020
Much more than the 3d printer believe me

01:18:40.020 --> 01:18:49.140
Well, yeah, I mean and so what's happened is the ability of the little guy to do it all as just blossomed

01:18:49.620 --> 01:18:58.620
There's other things like the passport system, the United Nations and all these nations getting together and making it so that people can travel relatively freely.

01:18:58.620 --> 01:19:04.620
The internet obviously makes travel fantastic, super quick and communication super quick.

01:19:04.620 --> 01:19:12.620
And yeah, AI, absolutely. AI is going to now put massive computing power in the hands of everyone.

01:19:12.620 --> 01:19:18.620
And however scary it might be, it also is going to be fantastic for the little guy.

01:19:18.620 --> 01:19:23.620
And so the little guy can sprout into a very big tree.

01:19:23.620 --> 01:19:27.340
Two, 300 years ago, you had to be the religion

01:19:27.340 --> 01:19:29.620
of whoever was the guild master.

01:19:29.620 --> 01:19:32.340
And if the guild master decided he liked your daughter,

01:19:32.340 --> 01:19:35.140
you better make it so that she's available to him.

01:19:35.140 --> 01:19:37.380
All this kind of stuff, it was horrible.

01:19:37.380 --> 01:19:38.960
And that's gone, that's gone.

01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:42.420
But the fear, really a huge amount of fear

01:19:42.420 --> 01:19:44.720
is no longer in our systems.

01:19:44.720 --> 01:19:49.320
And a lot of the fear and a lot of the trance of the fear

01:19:49.320 --> 01:19:53.800
is why so many people live their lives inside the inner tube

01:19:53.800 --> 01:19:56.960
of an intergalactic spaceship and never leave it.

01:19:56.960 --> 01:20:00.960
And many, many, many people are not in fear of that.

01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:04.080
They're wandering around this thing they call their body

01:20:04.080 --> 01:20:06.920
more in a much more relaxed way.

01:20:06.920 --> 01:20:08.800
And poof, people are waking up.

01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:11.280
And they're waking up in many ways,

01:20:11.280 --> 01:20:15.720
not necessarily because of some huge spiritual thing,

01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:18.160
simply because we're reaching a point

01:20:18.160 --> 01:20:23.160
where a huge amount of our finest parts are able to relax.

01:20:23.160 --> 01:20:25.400
- That's great.

01:20:25.400 --> 01:20:27.880
And I would say that that relaxation,

01:20:27.880 --> 01:20:32.880
that reduction of fear is not only a surface phenomenon,

01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:37.040
but it's symptomatic of a shift in collective consciousness

01:20:37.040 --> 01:20:39.800
or the underlying field of consciousness

01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:43.560
which the surface phenomena are expressions or manifestations.

01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:47.080
David So, something that came to me a few years ago,

01:20:47.080 --> 01:20:54.040
I've listened to almost all of your interviews, certainly 80%. And the word "devotion" came up

01:20:54.040 --> 01:20:57.720
quite a bit. And I never really understood devotion. In the sense that...

01:20:57.720 --> 01:20:59.080
Paul It sounded like you did. You used to sit

01:20:59.080 --> 01:21:03.080
in the parking lot crying for six hours, overcome with gratitude. That sounds like devotion.

01:21:03.080 --> 01:21:07.240
David But what was weird is I didn't have gratitude to anything. I just felt

01:21:07.240 --> 01:21:13.480
overwhelming gratitude, but I didn't have gratitude to anything. No object consciousness,

01:21:13.480 --> 01:21:18.140
non-object consciousness. Anyway, so, however I word this, I just want to kind of get it

01:21:18.140 --> 01:21:22.620
out there because I thought it was interesting. I'd always looked at this subject from the

01:21:22.620 --> 01:21:27.180
standpoint of like worship, which then means you kind of have to wholeheartedly believe

01:21:27.180 --> 01:21:33.420
in this stuff, which a lot of times is always suspect, particularly for some of us. You

01:21:33.420 --> 01:21:38.500
know, we're braced against succumbing to certain beliefs without proofs or whatever. And discernment

01:21:38.500 --> 01:21:43.180
is an extremely good thing, so that's great, but it shouldn't be a wall. So I was really

01:21:43.180 --> 01:21:47.380
pondering on this. And then one day it just came to me as I'm walking up the dock, I mean,

01:21:47.380 --> 01:21:51.700
I can tell you exactly where on the dock it happened. It just kind of came to me. And this

01:21:51.700 --> 01:21:56.660
a little bit relates to what we were talking about earlier. I remember a story where somebody

01:21:56.660 --> 01:22:02.700
had brought a picture of, I think it was Jesus, to a supposedly high-level guy in India. And

01:22:02.700 --> 01:22:07.880
And that guy immediately took that and put it on his like, oh, thing where he put pictures

01:22:07.880 --> 01:22:08.880
of saints.

01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:09.880
Walter, kind of a thing.

01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:10.880
Yeah, well, it was outside.

01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:14.260
It was just, but he inserted that picture.

01:22:14.260 --> 01:22:19.360
And it occurred to me that it didn't look like the guy had told him the story of whoever

01:22:19.360 --> 01:22:20.360
this was.

01:22:20.360 --> 01:22:21.360
It might not have been Jesus.

01:22:21.360 --> 01:22:24.120
But then I realized it was not the point.

01:22:24.120 --> 01:22:28.440
What the point was that the person probably said something like, "This is a very high

01:22:28.440 --> 01:22:29.720
being."

01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:40.320
the person accepts that as the image of a very high being. And so you don't need to know.

01:22:40.320 --> 01:22:50.600
You don't need to know about the being. But it raises your vibration up.

01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:54.640
This is making you emotional. I bet that you're having your COVID cough attack, but I don't

01:22:54.640 --> 01:22:55.640
think you're getting emotional.

01:22:55.640 --> 01:22:56.640
No, it's making me emotional.

01:22:56.640 --> 01:22:59.480
This week in particular. Explain why it gets you so emotional.

01:22:59.480 --> 01:23:02.680
Well

01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:10.480
Part of it is because I'm going through something this particular week. That's just a big huge hard thing.

01:23:10.480 --> 01:23:12.480
But the other thing is that

01:23:12.480 --> 01:23:15.160
most of what we really call suffering is

01:23:15.160 --> 01:23:18.160
being stuck on

01:23:18.160 --> 01:23:20.160
lower energy vibrations.

01:23:20.720 --> 01:23:27.940
Some of which are are really inculcated like we've just been talking about and and luckily being less inculcated into us

01:23:27.940 --> 01:23:32.760
and also some of them are just simply fears we don't really have any longer because

01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:39.880
we're insured and things can't be just willy-nilly taken away from us because some Lord is in a bad mood that day and

01:23:39.880 --> 01:23:45.220
Environmental things that used to be horrible. We can go into our house and not be

01:23:45.220 --> 01:23:48.080
affected by him or hiding our Tesla and

01:23:48.760 --> 01:23:55.080
It will clear smoke in it and stuff like that before it reaches us, but we tend to be so

01:23:55.080 --> 01:23:57.480
stuck in

01:23:57.480 --> 01:23:59.760
nonsensical crap religions that teach

01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:02.680
ridiculousness and fears of

01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:07.220
Entities and stuff like that. So when you wake up

01:24:07.220 --> 01:24:14.600
There is this idea that you wake up and the heavens just rained down on you and you're suddenly at a heaven level

01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:16.720
And that's true, and it's not true

01:24:17.400 --> 01:24:19.400
You're still in a body and

01:24:19.400 --> 01:24:24.320
So if your body and your horizons have never seen

01:24:24.320 --> 01:24:27.400
certain types of light

01:24:27.400 --> 01:24:29.760
You don't just suddenly go there

01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:32.120
You're not acclimated to those things

01:24:32.120 --> 01:24:34.640
So what's useful is?

01:24:34.640 --> 01:24:42.020
To actually do color meditations and look at gold and think and be in higher

01:24:42.720 --> 01:24:50.360
Energies that you don't typically let's say stay at it's important when you awaken to take advantage of Samadhi

01:24:50.360 --> 01:24:55.320
Not everybody does I I didn't want to do Samadhi because it seemed like an indulgence

01:24:55.320 --> 01:24:57.600
What do you mean by take advantage of Samadhi?

01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:04.200
in other words learn to function from some like Sonia my if you know what Sonia is you can function from that level and

01:25:04.200 --> 01:25:12.320
Bring about different effects. You can learn to operate from that level. So what you're saying? No, I'm saying that you can be involved in

01:25:12.320 --> 01:25:18.200
practice to the level where you don't want the cities to become a detour. You

01:25:18.200 --> 01:25:21.600
don't want these extra abilities to become a detour. You don't want the

01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:27.440
candy cane to be the big deal. And you get to this point where, I mean, you know, all

01:25:27.440 --> 01:25:32.040
these things are happening and a lot of people would write ten books on them. But

01:25:32.040 --> 01:25:36.920
at least in my mind, there's a part that's just like, "Nope, nope, nope, nope. Not

01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:40.560
gonna write a book. Not gonna do a teaching. Not creating a belief system.

01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:46.240
don't want to be L. Ron Hubbard, blah, blah, blah, you know. But then all of a sudden when you reach

01:25:46.240 --> 01:25:52.800
certain points, you may still be just, there still may be some automated level that just nope, nope,

01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:59.920
nope, nope, nope. And you need to really breathe it through your space. And then there is still

01:25:59.920 --> 01:26:11.920
a point where there's energies that, um, they're kind of scary. They're not scary in a bad way.

01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:19.120
You mean they're so immense that it's, that's too much to handle?

01:26:19.120 --> 01:26:23.520
Or kind of overwhelming? Like Arjuna's vision of Krishna in the 11th chapter of the Gita,

01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:26.880
he begged to have it and then when he finally had it, he said, "Too much, take it away."

01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:36.400
Yeah, to some extent. And it's also, it's just like looking at different pictures of beautiful

01:26:36.400 --> 01:26:42.880
things and just being in that. You know, if you've been listening to hard rock all your life,

01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:49.120
my favorites, Led Zeppelin, stuff like that. I like it cranked way up. I really enjoy that.

01:26:49.120 --> 01:26:54.000
At the same time, to someone who's never listened to Pachelbel,

01:26:56.000 --> 01:27:03.680
they can shit on that stuff and think it's too dainty. So, there's still an acclamation to this

01:27:03.680 --> 01:27:12.800
amazing energy that is kind of inconceivable.

01:27:12.800 --> 01:27:13.440
>> Yeah.

01:27:13.440 --> 01:27:15.360
>> Jeez, here I am, full of waterworks.

01:27:15.360 --> 01:27:22.080
>> I know what you're talking about. I have a good friend who had long since awakened to her

01:27:22.080 --> 01:27:28.800
true nature and it was some kind of unity consciousness state or whatever, but at a certain point,

01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:32.920
the heart started expanding so much that she just couldn't stop the tears.

01:27:32.920 --> 01:27:34.200
She'd have to wear dark glasses.

01:27:34.200 --> 01:27:40.160
I mean, she'd be in Trader Joe's buying fish or something, and the beauty of the situation

01:27:40.160 --> 01:27:46.520
was so much that she'd be weeping in the most mundane of circumstances just because of the

01:27:46.520 --> 01:27:48.640
blossoming of the heart that was taking place.

01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:50.160
I think that's what you're talking about.

01:27:50.160 --> 01:27:51.160
Pete: Yeah.

01:27:51.160 --> 01:27:57.200
is great, should we all be so blessed to have that kind of thing.

01:27:57.200 --> 01:28:02.040
We're almost at the two hour point and this is a very sweet, almost a sweet place to end,

01:28:02.040 --> 01:28:06.600
but there are other things you wanted to talk about which we might not get to today, like

01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:08.920
fasting.

01:28:08.920 --> 01:28:12.480
I found the thing you wrote about channeling kind of interesting because you kind of got

01:28:12.480 --> 01:28:16.920
roped into doing a channeling session one time in front of a whole audience.

01:28:16.920 --> 01:28:20.320
You didn't think you were going to be the channeler, but next thing you knew they said

01:28:20.320 --> 01:28:26.740
go for it, but the reason I found that interesting and important is that you stated some cautions

01:28:26.740 --> 01:28:29.860
and warnings, because channeling is very popular these days.

01:28:29.860 --> 01:28:37.860
My most popular interview is Bashar, and people may not realize how dangerous it can be for

01:28:37.860 --> 01:28:42.380
the channeler and even possibly for those in the audience.

01:28:42.380 --> 01:28:45.380
You want to just tell that whole story a little bit in a nutshell?

01:28:45.380 --> 01:28:49.180
Well, again, this was in the heyday of the Berkeley Psych Institute.

01:28:49.180 --> 01:28:52.500
I say heyday because at one point in time it was huge.

01:28:52.500 --> 01:29:00.260
There were thousands of students and teachers and many large institutes in several states.

01:29:00.260 --> 01:29:07.180
So getting together at night on a weekend or during a weekday wasn't two or three people.

01:29:07.180 --> 01:29:11.460
Oftentimes it was 10 or 15, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 100 people.

01:29:11.460 --> 01:29:18.020
And actively doing all kinds of psychic readings and healings and all kinds of things.

01:29:18.020 --> 01:29:24.020
One of the groups was a, one of the specialties in a sense was a medium group.

01:29:24.020 --> 01:29:26.020
You had to sign up to be in that.

01:29:26.020 --> 01:29:29.720
And I never actually signed up there because I was not interested in it.

01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:34.320
Or another way of putting it is that I felt like I could do it without being trained much

01:29:34.320 --> 01:29:38.320
because I still to this day don't, it's not a particularly difficult thing to do.

01:29:38.320 --> 01:29:40.720
Every female is a medium.

01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:44.660
In other words, every female's body is made to share another body with it and obviously

01:29:44.660 --> 01:29:46.380
another spirit with it.

01:29:46.380 --> 01:29:51.720
And certainly to any woman that's been pregnant, it becomes rather obvious what it's like to

01:29:51.720 --> 01:29:53.160
be carrying a child.

01:29:53.160 --> 01:29:58.100
I know the spirit in your body, but there's certain levels of trance where you can speed

01:29:58.100 --> 01:30:02.740
your body, your energy up, and it makes it very easy to move in and out of your body,

01:30:02.740 --> 01:30:07.740
and it makes it very easy to bring other beings into your space.

01:30:07.740 --> 01:30:10.580
And technically none of that was a problem.

01:30:10.580 --> 01:30:13.260
By that time I could already see all that kind of stuff.

01:30:13.260 --> 01:30:19.740
But anyway, we had this event planned, which was down in the San Jose area, you know, fairly

01:30:19.740 --> 01:30:25.380
good size event and it was a psychic medium demonstration or something like that.

01:30:25.380 --> 01:30:29.720
So I went along as a volunteering algo help.

01:30:29.720 --> 01:30:34.220
Typically we would have the main event, whatever that was, and there might be people on the

01:30:34.220 --> 01:30:39.180
side that are kind of controlling the energy or watching the energy or taking a look at

01:30:39.180 --> 01:30:42.180
somebody comes in the door that maybe has some problems.

01:30:42.180 --> 01:30:46.220
And so you're acting kind of as security as also and stuff like that.

01:30:46.220 --> 01:30:48.980
Or you move the chairs around or check the mic.

01:30:48.980 --> 01:30:50.240
That's what I thought I was doing.

01:30:50.240 --> 01:30:53.940
Then I'm up on stage, you know, before the events about to happen.

01:30:53.940 --> 01:30:58.740
And, uh, and I put the chair there and then John, who's running the thing,

01:30:58.740 --> 01:31:01.460
asked me to sit down and I thought I was going to do a mic test.

01:31:01.460 --> 01:31:03.300
That's literally what I thought I was going to do.

01:31:03.300 --> 01:31:08.860
And I didn't realize that I was the main event, that this was what's going to happen.

01:31:08.860 --> 01:31:10.520
- He just pranked it on you.

01:31:10.520 --> 01:31:12.600
- Oh, I know Lewis put him up to it for sure.

01:31:12.600 --> 01:31:13.560
You know, and there's, I don't know,

01:31:13.560 --> 01:31:15.560
two, three hundred people there.

01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:18.520
If I had known that this was gonna take place,

01:31:18.520 --> 01:31:20.700
I would have chosen what being,

01:31:20.700 --> 01:31:22.340
perhaps a little bit more carefully,

01:31:22.340 --> 01:31:25.080
and I would have thought about it a little bit.

01:31:25.080 --> 01:31:26.360
It wouldn't have frightened me,

01:31:26.360 --> 01:31:27.800
but I would have thought about it.

01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:29.640
I didn't do any of that.

01:31:29.640 --> 01:31:32.420
So I start moving up my energy and all that kind of stuff,

01:31:32.420 --> 01:31:35.000
and fully capable of doing this.

01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:37.440
So basically I just brought this being in

01:31:37.440 --> 01:31:40.920
I hadn't really vetted or checked out or anything like that.

01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:48.360
And they came into my space, but the bizarre thing was, for me, what was really cool, because

01:31:48.360 --> 01:31:53.720
all of that is no big deal, but what was really cool is that I suddenly find myself popped

01:31:53.720 --> 01:31:58.440
out of the top of my head, very clearly, full consciousness, but I pop out of the top of

01:31:58.440 --> 01:32:01.640
my head and I am sitting right here in my hair.

01:32:01.640 --> 01:32:09.040
I can feel my scalp, I can feel the hair, and then I see, basically the audience is just

01:32:09.040 --> 01:32:10.560
balls of light.

01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:20.120
But in the rafter off to my left is this enormous being that looks like a walrus.

01:32:20.120 --> 01:32:27.400
Its head though is this huge head, very round head with a beautiful face, not a walrus face.

01:32:27.400 --> 01:32:29.400
Must have been John Lennon.

01:32:29.400 --> 01:32:31.400
And it had these huge, you know the walrus,

01:32:31.400 --> 01:32:33.400
it had these huge eyes

01:32:33.400 --> 01:32:36.400
and I spent almost the entire time

01:32:36.400 --> 01:32:38.400
just looking at this being.

01:32:38.400 --> 01:32:40.400
What was it? Some kind of astral being?

01:32:40.400 --> 01:32:42.400
Yeah, talk to Harry Alto.

01:32:42.400 --> 01:32:44.400
I mean he's the guy that knows all this stuff.

01:32:44.400 --> 01:32:45.400
Yeah, he sees all that kind of stuff.

01:32:45.400 --> 01:32:48.400
Yeah, so this is just a being.

01:32:48.400 --> 01:32:50.400
I wasn't looking at its origin.

01:32:50.400 --> 01:32:53.400
What I was looking at actually was

01:32:53.400 --> 01:32:55.400
we were having a big exchange

01:32:55.400 --> 01:32:58.040
And I could see deeply into his being.

01:32:58.040 --> 01:33:01.560
And in his world, he was looking at,

01:33:01.560 --> 01:33:03.340
in a sense, these crazy humans,

01:33:03.340 --> 01:33:06.080
except he didn't think of us as crazy.

01:33:06.080 --> 01:33:10.000
By the way, human beings are not slouches.

01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:11.820
If you are a human being,

01:33:11.820 --> 01:33:14.320
you're not considered a lowly being.

01:33:14.320 --> 01:33:19.320
And the idea of viewing your body as a meat sack

01:33:19.320 --> 01:33:23.320
is really not knowing what you've got.

01:33:23.320 --> 01:33:26.080
But anyway, so he's not looking at us

01:33:26.080 --> 01:33:28.840
in any diminutive way at all.

01:33:28.840 --> 01:33:33.680
But what was interesting is that he was just absolutely

01:33:33.680 --> 01:33:37.240
in complete stillness and clarity,

01:33:37.240 --> 01:33:40.640
simply viewing us and viewing me.

01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:45.640
And he was just receiving it and not analyzing anything.

01:33:45.640 --> 01:33:47.360
I was just taking it in

01:33:47.360 --> 01:33:52.080
and it was just astounding, the stillness.

01:33:52.080 --> 01:33:56.880
his eyes were kind of yellow gold and it was just a beautiful experience.

01:33:56.880 --> 01:34:02.200
So while the reading is going on, I'm occasionally checking stuff out and feeling this being

01:34:02.200 --> 01:34:07.440
and these beings having some troubles because its energy was pretty low actually.

01:34:07.440 --> 01:34:10.320
It wouldn't be a being I would have brought in.

01:34:10.320 --> 01:34:13.300
I should have just brought in one of my guides.

01:34:13.300 --> 01:34:16.360
You mean the being you were channeling was low, not the walrus?

01:34:16.360 --> 01:34:18.240
No, no, the being inside me.

01:34:18.240 --> 01:34:22.000
I was occasionally I'd be aware of that, you know, and following along.

01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:24.400
You're talking, right? And you didn't even know you were talking.

01:34:24.400 --> 01:34:26.640
My voice is talking. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:34:26.640 --> 01:34:27.280
Right, right.

01:34:27.280 --> 01:34:30.640
Yeah, I could hear what I was saying if I was interested. I was not interested.

01:34:30.640 --> 01:34:35.040
But occasionally I was doing healing work on the whole room.

01:34:35.040 --> 01:34:38.480
But from above my head, you can do three, four hundred people in a second.

01:34:38.480 --> 01:34:39.920
That business has nothing to it at all.

01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:43.680
So occasionally John would direct me on that level.

01:34:43.680 --> 01:34:45.520
But for the most part, he was not doing that.

01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:47.680
That's really the main bulk of it.

01:34:47.680 --> 01:34:52.680
But then there were some cautionary points you made about the fact that stuff can cling

01:34:52.680 --> 01:34:58.000
to you or even perhaps to the audience members who participate in such a thing and that needs

01:34:58.000 --> 01:34:59.000
to be clear.

01:34:59.000 --> 01:35:02.600
And you also mentioned how channelers tend to live shorter lives because it breaks down

01:35:02.600 --> 01:35:06.720
mind-body coordination or something or weakens the nervous system in some way.

01:35:06.720 --> 01:35:11.320
So I don't know, I'm not down on channeling per se and I've interviewed a bunch of channelers

01:35:11.320 --> 01:35:18.520
but I think it's good to be well-informed about the fact that it could actually be problematic

01:35:18.520 --> 01:35:23.000
for a person's personal evolution. As a friend of mine once said, "Just because you're dead

01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:27.800
doesn't mean you're smart." So the information coming through isn't necessarily better because

01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:31.800
it's being channeled, although it could be. There could be some profound stuff, but also

01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:37.080
it's questionable in terms of the impact it might have on the channeler's personal evolution.

01:35:37.080 --> 01:35:39.240
Would you agree with all that I just said?

01:35:39.960 --> 01:35:47.240
Well, pretty much it's so fascinating as a psychic to watch a medium. By the way, I like

01:35:47.240 --> 01:35:54.760
Bishar and I found virtually everything he says is, particularly about frequencies, is right on the

01:35:54.760 --> 01:36:01.800
money. And his energy is obviously very nice. I have nothing but positive thoughts about him.

01:36:01.800 --> 01:36:06.520
But what's interesting is that most of the people that are channeling are actually

01:36:07.080 --> 01:36:12.840
a lower being, not a higher being, though they may think, you know, it's like 90% of them think it's

01:36:12.840 --> 01:36:17.960
an angel. It's not an angel. It's usually a being that's considerably lower than a human being,

01:36:17.960 --> 01:36:22.760
but that's not to say that that's very low, because a human being is quite high. The higher

01:36:22.760 --> 01:36:28.680
self of a human being is not low, but what happens is that in the congestion of a body,

01:36:28.680 --> 01:36:33.880
and they can't access so much of what they have, and the Akashic Records, all those things. So,

01:36:33.880 --> 01:36:36.560
They bring a being in, they raise their energy up.

01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:42.200
So a lot of professional mediums, we know many of them drink a lot of coffee,

01:36:42.200 --> 01:36:47.280
have a lot of sugar, have a lot of chocolate, things like that, prior to elevate their energy.

01:36:47.280 --> 01:36:48.600
It's not necessary to do any of that.

01:36:48.600 --> 01:36:51.680
You can elevate your energy without doing that, but a lot of them do that.

01:36:51.680 --> 01:36:55.800
And a lot of them have given up the controls to the beings.

01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:58.120
And you'll actually hear them actively talk like that.

01:36:58.120 --> 01:37:00.600
They'll say something like, you know, you ask them a question, they'll say,

01:37:00.600 --> 01:37:04.600
"Well, you know, it depends on what the being is allowing me to do, blah, blah, blah."

01:37:04.600 --> 01:37:08.600
So, that's unfortunate. They haven't set the ground rules.

01:37:08.600 --> 01:37:13.600
Second of all, many of the beings that are being channeled are lower beings.

01:37:13.600 --> 01:37:17.600
I don't mean in a negative sense, just simply lower than the human.

01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:21.600
But what they do is, they come into the body and they tap into the actual person's

01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:24.600
Akashic Records for their memories.

01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:29.600
And the way you can verify this if you're watching it, is if you know the person really well,

01:37:29.600 --> 01:37:33.660
the being is using their information because you know it's their information.

01:37:33.660 --> 01:37:40.540
But they're able to use it cleanly because they don't have this, all this

01:37:40.540 --> 01:37:45.460
rigidified energy between that information and them and so they can

01:37:45.460 --> 01:37:53.240
speak it easily. Many, many channels, that's a huge number of them. In almost no

01:37:53.240 --> 01:37:58.640
cases is somebody channeling an angel, their idea of an angel. There are so many

01:37:58.640 --> 01:38:05.560
spirits out there that are wonderful spirits that are not positioned like humans get positioned

01:38:05.560 --> 01:38:12.520
here and so a relatively simple being that is not considered nearly as high as a human

01:38:12.520 --> 01:38:17.920
being but in the state that they're coming in at, they would appear to anybody else as

01:38:17.920 --> 01:38:23.580
very high simply because they're unencumbered and an unencumbered spirit doesn't necessarily

01:38:23.580 --> 01:38:30.580
have to be pretty complex to say very, very amazing things that are extremely clear because

01:38:30.580 --> 01:38:34.420
they're not burdened by all this tug-of-war going on with these inertias that they have

01:38:34.420 --> 01:38:36.220
in their space.

01:38:36.220 --> 01:38:39.700
One of the problems though with people that are actively playing around with some of this

01:38:39.700 --> 01:38:46.020
stuff is it gets along with a line with a whole mess of stuff that's actually not right.

01:38:46.020 --> 01:38:51.340
An example, it's very common for people to talk about clearing your chakra.

01:38:51.340 --> 01:38:53.340
What does clearing your chakra mean?

01:38:53.340 --> 01:38:56.340
Chakras is this extremely complex thing.

01:38:56.340 --> 01:38:58.820
And then if it's grown in a certain sense,

01:38:58.820 --> 01:39:01.100
it becomes unbelievably complex.

01:39:01.100 --> 01:39:03.060
Many, many, many, many abilities.

01:39:03.060 --> 01:39:04.520
But if you don't know what you're doing,

01:39:04.520 --> 01:39:06.900
really you're supposed to be out there clearing stuff out?

01:39:06.900 --> 01:39:08.260
Because there's a really good chance

01:39:08.260 --> 01:39:10.760
that you're clearing flowers out.

01:39:10.760 --> 01:39:14.760
There are too many teachings where there's a doing going on

01:39:14.760 --> 01:39:17.680
and the person that is doing is a rank beginner

01:39:17.680 --> 01:39:19.980
and they have no idea what they're talking about.

01:39:19.980 --> 01:39:21.140
But it sounds good.

01:39:21.140 --> 01:39:22.820
I'm gonna clean my chakras.

01:39:22.820 --> 01:39:25.220
Or as an example, you take a crystal.

01:39:25.220 --> 01:39:27.580
You take a crystal and you start doing crystal stuff

01:39:27.580 --> 01:39:30.860
on some of your chakras, you can do damage real fast

01:39:30.860 --> 01:39:32.580
because you've already got a lot of energy

01:39:32.580 --> 01:39:35.260
and now you're concentrating a ton of energy

01:39:35.260 --> 01:39:37.580
into areas where you don't know what you're doing,

01:39:37.580 --> 01:39:39.620
but your main goal is to feel something.

01:39:39.620 --> 01:39:41.740
And you, oh my God, you should feel this crystal.

01:39:41.740 --> 01:39:42.820
This is really powerful.

01:39:42.820 --> 01:39:45.100
And it's like, yeah, it's totally powerful.

01:39:45.100 --> 01:39:48.460
I remember going to the crystal show in San Francisco

01:39:48.460 --> 01:39:49.980
and half the people in the booths

01:39:49.980 --> 01:39:51.740
looked like they were on speed

01:39:51.740 --> 01:39:53.660
or that they had been doing speed,

01:39:53.660 --> 01:39:56.900
like way too much speed and their synapses were fried.

01:39:56.900 --> 01:40:00.220
And it was because they were around all these crystals

01:40:00.220 --> 01:40:01.980
and it was overloading their systems

01:40:01.980 --> 01:40:03.820
and they looked literally physically,

01:40:03.820 --> 01:40:05.480
their energy, their auras,

01:40:05.480 --> 01:40:08.740
looked like they had been doing a lot of speed.

01:40:08.740 --> 01:40:09.580
- Wow, interesting.

01:40:09.580 --> 01:40:10.980
- It was sad to watch that.

01:40:10.980 --> 01:40:12.860
And they were very well-meaning,

01:40:12.860 --> 01:40:15.900
but wearing big crystals in certain areas

01:40:15.900 --> 01:40:17.900
and being around that a lot.

01:40:17.900 --> 01:40:18.960
But get back to it.

01:40:18.960 --> 01:40:22.200
So a lot of people when they are trying to channel,

01:40:22.200 --> 01:40:23.840
they open their whole space up.

01:40:23.840 --> 01:40:25.680
I'll open up all my chakras.

01:40:25.680 --> 01:40:26.840
That's not a good thing to do.

01:40:26.840 --> 01:40:29.560
Opening up all your chakras willy nilly

01:40:29.560 --> 01:40:32.440
is very similar to opening up all the doors in your house.

01:40:32.440 --> 01:40:33.740
You open up all the doors in your house,

01:40:33.740 --> 01:40:36.480
you leave them open, critters are gonna walk in.

01:40:36.480 --> 01:40:38.640
And people might walk in

01:40:38.640 --> 01:40:40.680
and rearrange the furniture and stuff.

01:40:40.680 --> 01:40:42.400
When you let a being into your space

01:40:42.400 --> 01:40:44.520
and you don't set the ground rules down,

01:40:44.520 --> 01:40:46.860
where you say, okay, you can come into my space,

01:40:46.860 --> 01:40:50.500
but you don't leave any hand grabs for you

01:40:50.500 --> 01:40:53.160
to come back in when I'm least suspecting it.

01:40:53.160 --> 01:40:56.100
You come in and you don't touch anything.

01:40:56.100 --> 01:40:58.460
You just utilize what I allow you to utilize

01:40:58.460 --> 01:40:59.820
and then you leave clean.

01:40:59.820 --> 01:41:01.680
I want all your energy gone.

01:41:01.680 --> 01:41:03.280
Take all your energy out.

01:41:03.280 --> 01:41:07.260
And any energy in your space, I want back in my space.

01:41:07.260 --> 01:41:09.860
And you set ground rules like this down.

01:41:09.860 --> 01:41:11.200
And it doesn't matter.

01:41:11.200 --> 01:41:12.120
Here's another way to put it.

01:41:12.120 --> 01:41:13.700
Let's say it is an angel.

01:41:13.700 --> 01:41:15.780
Is an angel going to have an argument

01:41:15.780 --> 01:41:19.780
anything I just said? No. The only being that would have an argument with anything

01:41:19.780 --> 01:41:24.060
would be a being that would be apt to do something like that that you don't want

01:41:24.060 --> 01:41:29.580
done. It's not going to limit your ability to bring in a wonderful being. It

01:41:29.580 --> 01:41:34.900
will limit beings that might take advantage of you because you're laying

01:41:34.900 --> 01:41:39.900
down some groundwork and even if they try not to obey it, at least you're also

01:41:39.900 --> 01:41:44.860
saying this is how I keep my house. You know, you can have a party and most of

01:41:44.860 --> 01:41:47.940
your friends are good and one isn't so good.

01:41:47.940 --> 01:41:49.540
Well, you know, so you fix that

01:41:49.540 --> 01:41:51.540
and you don't invite them again.

01:41:51.540 --> 01:41:52.380
Or you tell them, you know,

01:41:52.380 --> 01:41:54.420
"Hey, please don't do that again."

01:41:54.420 --> 01:41:55.860
But it doesn't wreck you.

01:41:55.860 --> 01:41:59.900
So when you open yourself up to

01:41:59.900 --> 01:42:02.260
beings coming into your space,

01:42:02.260 --> 01:42:04.620
it's so cool, you're doing something,

01:42:04.620 --> 01:42:06.220
you're feeling the being,

01:42:06.220 --> 01:42:07.940
oh my God, it's coming in,

01:42:07.940 --> 01:42:10.420
it's an angel, it's always an angel.

01:42:10.420 --> 01:42:12.540
It made me feel so fantastic.

01:42:12.540 --> 01:42:17.740
Reality is your energy has moved up to a level that makes you feel fantastic.

01:42:17.740 --> 01:42:20.300
And you can get to that level quite easily.

01:42:20.300 --> 01:42:24.460
That's a little bit of what I was alluding to before when I started having the waterworks.

01:42:24.460 --> 01:42:30.740
When you're looking at a high being, your energy can move to that almost osmotically.

01:42:30.740 --> 01:42:35.820
It just starts matching that energy and you may never have had that energy in your space,

01:42:35.820 --> 01:42:41.860
but you're now experiencing that energy simply because you've imagined it to be so high.

01:42:41.860 --> 01:42:47.140
in imagining it to be so high, you go there and then you start acclimating to these energies that are

01:42:47.140 --> 01:42:55.540
inconceivable. So opening all your chakras. Chakras are apertures that open and close

01:42:55.540 --> 01:43:00.900
according to need. A lot of the people that come back from war zones that have PTSD,

01:43:00.900 --> 01:43:08.100
it's because some of their chakras are permanently open. Their first chakra is stuck on "on" and so

01:43:08.100 --> 01:43:13.300
somebody comes up and taps them on the shoulder and they're just freaked because they've been in

01:43:13.300 --> 01:43:20.500
first chakra alert for 24 hours, seven days a week with bombs going off. And if suddenly everything

01:43:20.500 --> 01:43:25.540
is silent, that scares the hell out of them. Because according to the battlefield situation,

01:43:25.540 --> 01:43:30.580
when everything's quiet, that's when things are not good. When suddenly there's no one in town,

01:43:30.580 --> 01:43:36.260
that's because the town knows don't be there. And so the idea of just willy nilly opening up

01:43:36.260 --> 01:43:43.420
all your chakras, that opening all your chakras is 100% a good thing. It's just not. On a

01:43:43.420 --> 01:43:47.820
hot day, you might want to open up a door slightly to let some wind in, but on a freezing cold

01:43:47.820 --> 01:43:51.500
day, you don't want that stuck open. So, anyway.

01:43:51.500 --> 01:43:57.780
Well, that is not the most logical of all points for us to end on, but it's a valuable point.

01:43:57.780 --> 01:44:00.980
By logical, I mean, I could talk to you for another two hours and there's a bunch more

01:44:00.980 --> 01:44:05.340
stuff that we could talk about, but I'm afraid I've got to wrap it up. But I think we've

01:44:05.340 --> 01:44:08.420
You've given people a taste, and you said you're doing satsangs now?

01:44:08.420 --> 01:44:11.180
Are you doing online things that people can tune into?

01:44:11.180 --> 01:44:14.020
Yeah, I typically do them once a week.

01:44:14.020 --> 01:44:17.900
I'm going through some stuff right now, so I will probably curtail them for at least

01:44:17.900 --> 01:44:18.900
a few weeks.

01:44:18.900 --> 01:44:19.900
Or maybe less.

01:44:19.900 --> 01:44:22.660
And they can go to your website to find out the details of those?

01:44:22.660 --> 01:44:23.660
Yeah.

01:44:23.660 --> 01:44:26.460
Okay, good, because I think a lot of people will have the same opinion I do, which is

01:44:26.460 --> 01:44:30.940
you're a fascinating guy with a lot of interesting things to talk about, and I might tune into

01:44:30.940 --> 01:44:33.740
some of your satsangs myself if I can.

01:44:33.740 --> 01:44:36.740
And so I think I'm learning things from you.

01:44:36.740 --> 01:44:41.380
I always like to spend my time on things that teach me something.

01:44:41.380 --> 01:44:45.100
And there's a lot of interesting things we haven't even talked about.

01:44:45.100 --> 01:44:48.940
You wanted to talk about fasting, there's the whole qigong thing, but we just don't

01:44:48.940 --> 01:44:50.700
have time in a single interview.

01:44:50.700 --> 01:44:56.220
So consider this audience to have been a buffet that you can't eat everything in the whole

01:44:56.220 --> 01:45:00.820
buffet, but you sampled some things and you got a sense of David Doyle.

01:45:00.820 --> 01:45:07.500
And go to his BatGap page, hop off to his website, and check out what he has to offer, and I hope

01:45:07.500 --> 01:45:09.340
you keep offering it for a long time.

01:45:09.340 --> 01:45:15.060
It seems like you're a valuable voice in this world, and I appreciate getting to know you

01:45:15.060 --> 01:45:16.060
better.

01:45:16.060 --> 01:45:17.060
Thank you very much.

01:45:17.060 --> 01:45:18.060
Thank you.

01:45:18.060 --> 01:45:21.020
I can't tell you how much I appreciate what you're doing.

01:45:21.020 --> 01:45:22.620
Yeah, well, I thank you so much.

01:45:22.620 --> 01:45:26.020
wonderful aspect of what I do is getting to meet people like you.

01:45:26.020 --> 01:45:31.020
Most of my best friends are people I've never actually met in person, but I've met them through Batgap.

01:45:31.020 --> 01:45:37.820
Okay, let's see. There's going to be a gap of a few weeks now, and then I'll be interviewing Swami Medhananda,

01:45:37.820 --> 01:45:42.020
who is an associate of Swami Sarvapriyananda of the Vedanta Society,

01:45:42.020 --> 01:45:46.020
and then after that, Brad Laughlin and Anna Breitenbach.

01:45:46.020 --> 01:45:50.020
Anna's been on Batgap before. She's an animal communicator. She and Brad.

01:45:50.020 --> 01:45:55.620
Brad is Leslie Temple Thurston's husband. He lives in South Africa. Leslie's been on BatGap.

01:45:55.620 --> 01:46:01.220
And I've started to sample what both of those people have to say. And it's always fascinating.

01:46:01.220 --> 01:46:06.420
It's like every person I interview is like opening a new Christmas present with surprise and delight,

01:46:06.420 --> 01:46:11.940
because everyone has so many interesting things to say. People are so fascinating. So thanks,

01:46:11.940 --> 01:46:17.460
David. And thanks to those who've been listening or watching. And we will see you for the next one.

01:46:18.580 --> 01:46:26.260
I'll tell you a quick funny story. There's a local TV station and every morning he finishes the broadcast by saying

01:46:26.260 --> 01:46:28.580
See you tomorrow morning at 5 30

01:46:28.580 --> 01:46:34.900
And we just found that sort of delightful but he stopped for a while and I finally called the station

01:46:34.900 --> 01:46:36.580
I said what happened to that guy?

01:46:36.580 --> 01:46:42.260
Didn't like him doing that and she said oh, oh, no, he got married. He went on his honeymoon. He'll be back. I said, oh, okay

01:46:42.260 --> 01:46:46.820
So he came back and she had told him that i'd called and said that I'd like that

01:46:46.820 --> 01:46:51.820
that he does that. So now he really exaggerates it every morning. And he has a big smile on

01:46:51.820 --> 01:46:58.420
his face and he laughs when he does it. Funny little story from the life of Rick Archer.

01:46:58.420 --> 01:47:01.380
Thanks a lot everybody. We'll see you for the next one.

01:47:01.380 --> 01:47:02.380
Bye now.

01:47:02.380 --> 01:47:02.940
Thanks David.

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Thank you.