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This is the Airplane Geeks podcast. We aim

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to educate and inform you, explore and expand

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your passion for aviation, and entertain you a

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little along the way.

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This episode, we have guests from the experimental

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sounding rocket association,

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which hosts the International Rocket Engineering competition.

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We learn how the organization

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obtained a waiver to launch rockets up to

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an altitude of a hundred thousand feet.

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Spectators are allowed, and the competition

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will be live streamed.

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In the news, we look at what we

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know about the tentative contract between United Airlines

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and their flight attendants union,

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the large proposed NASA funding cut,

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two planes that nearly collide on takeoff at

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LAX,

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and a Louisiana

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bill that seeks to prohibit

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chemtrails.

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That's right, not contrails.

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Also, the Spurlink Farm pancake breakfast and fly

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in is coming up.

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Angelo State University in Texas has launched a

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flight school and aviation bachelor program,

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a new aviation mechanic education website,

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and launching low earth orbit satellites

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from old f four Phantoms.

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It's all coming up right now.

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Welcome to the Airplane Geeks podcast. This is

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episode 850

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of the show where we talk aviation.

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I'm Max Flight.

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And with me is first, well, our main

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man, Micah.

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Wonderful to be here, and I'm interested in

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really learning a lot about sounding.

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Sounding.

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Well, just listen and you also

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that's a bad joke. Also with us is

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Rob Mark. He's a BizJet pilot. He's a

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journalist. He's a CFI,

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and, of course, he's publisher at JetWine.com.

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Hey. Good evening to everybody.

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And today, he's being ex extremely brief, which

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is always nice.

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Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

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That was like the shortest hello that I've

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heard from you in I don't know how

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long, Rob. Well, I'm I'm trying to be

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you know, I'm trying to recognize our guests'

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time and our time, and we're you know,

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get it going here. I guess And it's

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about time. And it's about time. And it's

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about time.

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Alright. Let me introduce Max Rescott. He's host

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of the Aviation News Talk podcast

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and some others,

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and he's a national CFI of the Year.

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He's, of course, an expert on learning to

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fly or purchase a Cirrus aircraft.

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line here today from Mountain View, California. So

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That's right. Well, we have three guests actually

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They're all with the experimental

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sounding rocket association,

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ESRA,

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Ezra.

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Ezra is a nonprofit organization. It was founded

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in 2003

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to, as they say, foster and promote engineering

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knowledge and experience in the field of rocketry.

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Ezra's primary focus is to provide

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for academic

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challenges.

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about the rockets, of course, because nothing's cooler

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rocket man. I am old, and I am

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Steve Taylor. He's the president of the experimental

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excuse me, the experimental sounding rocket association. So

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welcome, Steve.

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to Ezra, just fine.

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who coordinates the with the FAA.

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know, Brahm, you might be the key to

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this whole enterprise because without FAA authorization, you

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episode between the Rocket and Aviation Worlds. Yes.

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how you can coexist if, as it were,

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with other forms of aviation in the National

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Airspace System. Yeah. Exactly.

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impacts with really large rockets, but there are

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in rocket launches and space flight.

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what it's all about and why this competition

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per experientum,

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which means learn by doing.

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to take what they've learned in the books

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what you've done in theory is going to

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student research and develop propulsion systems, which are

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solid propulsion and and liquid and hybrid motors.

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critical design to inspection of of a rocket,

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fast. To get there and to launch their

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rockets. Yeah. Well, Steve, I'm not a rocket

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scientist, but could you tell me what a

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as opposed to a rocket rocket?

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have a FAA waiver, and thanks to Brahm,

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which we'll get into, but,

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up in a letter class.

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So if you think about the Estes rockets,

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they were, you know, from a's to to

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d motors.

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Each time they double in the in the

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specific impulse.

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Well, these teams are are launching

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m, n, and o motors.

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So the amount of thrust, they they they

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can have, you know,

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4,000 tons of thrust.

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You know, it's a it's one of those

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things that,

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the government has recognized in order for us

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to be able to legally do that that

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we needed specific training. And the Tripoli organization

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has, provides that training, provides that certification.

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And the teams that are doing these launches,

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partner with one of

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us certified guys because unless they've put the

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time in and and work their way up

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to a level three certification,

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they can't legally launch these lock rockets. And

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and the Tripoli Organization takes that responsibility

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because

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they're involved at the get go. They're involved

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with the team. They're mentors for the team,

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and then they become the flyer records for

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the team.

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I I just wanted to say that,

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in general, I didn't get a chance to

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bring it up, but to sound is sort

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of a verb to explore, and it's a

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naval term. They would explore the depths of

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the ocean. And when they first started exploring

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space, instead of exploring deep down into the

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ocean, they were sounding the atmosphere. So that's

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where the term comes from. Yeah. I am

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I I really appreciate that. Thank you. That's

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that's exactly right. And I just pulled out

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my prop, high altitude rocket research

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from 1953,

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describing all the different ways you can measure

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the atmosphere

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with 1953

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technology.

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I actually encouraged some teams to check out

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some of the old school stuff. It has

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some good inspiration for scientific payload.

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Yeah. I I knew that.

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And, Steve, I wanted to ask you a

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question about those engines because you said that,

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you know, oftentimes you encourage people to design

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their own engines. And how does that work

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in dealing with ATF and things like that?

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Because these are chemicals and things that you

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don't really not everybody has access to.

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The chemicals are

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they they're not explosives.

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So, you know, ammonium perchlorate is,

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sort of the base propel the base,

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fuel of of a lot of these rocket

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motors. And, you know, you have to supply

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it with an oxidizer in order for it

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to to, burn.

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It's in it's inert by itself.

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You have to apply

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a, igniter or ignition source in order to

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ignite. So so I I think first of

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all, I I wanna draw out that we've

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got multiple propulsion pipes in this competition. Sure

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too. Yeah. Right? We've got solids, liquids,

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hybrids.

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Right? So you end up with this matrix

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of competition categories of how high are you

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going by what propulsion pipe are you using.

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And we we separate that out to keep

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light rockets competing with each other.

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And for

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liquids, you've got two liquids mixing together. And

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we haven't had those,

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for a couple of years, but we want

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some to come back. There's nothing energetic about

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that mixture until things are loaded and actually

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fire. Similarly,

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hybrids

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got two dissimilar phases coming together. Usually, there's

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a solid fuel and a liquid oxidizer, nitrous

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oxide, that gets squirted in.

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We see quite a few of those,

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participating.

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And we also see those in particular from

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other countries, which

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have more restrictive regulatory regimes

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than The US because there again, there's nothing

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energetic about those until they're

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loaded

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and

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ignited.

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The solid rocket motors have all of that

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chemical energy in there all the time.

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Most of our teams purchase them commercially. This

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is a product you can buy

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in The US.

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And so we have a particular vendor, Aerotech,

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that actually comes on-site and provides the motors

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and gives some guidance on how to assemble

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them, and they're a key partner for the

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event.

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But some teams do make their own, and

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we love the innovation and like seeing them

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do that. And,

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historically, there was a watershed moment circa 02/2008.

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There was a big lawsuit between the Tripoli

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Rocketry Association

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and the ATF over whether or not rocket

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fuel is considered an explosive for the purposes

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of ATF regulation.

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And the outcome of that multiyear

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suit

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was,

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no, it is not an explosive for the

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purposes of US explosives regulation.

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Now that doesn't mean you want to keep

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them under your pillow at night. No. You

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need to store them

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appropriately

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and respect the hazards they have. But for

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the purpose of regulation, they are not an

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explosive.

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So within the different categories,

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how is the the winner of that category

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chosen identified? Is it altitude, maximum altitude, or

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what what's the criteria for someone to, you

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know, to win the prize?

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Yeah. There there is a whole scoring system

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and scoring rubric. And to anyone participating,

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before you even start designing your rocket, you

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should read it and understand how you're evaluated.

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But in general, roughly speaking,

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about half of the points

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are your technical documentation.

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We require you to submit progress reports throughout

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the year and get feedback from safety reviewers

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and then submit a grand final report

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just before the event. So those submissions are

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now in. Our judges are pouring over them

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and grading them. Those are evaluated

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based on the engineering process.

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And are you justifying your decisions and articulating

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why you've done the right thing for your

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rocket? We do that intentionally to level the

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playing field between teams that have vastly different

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resources

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so that we're grading process and not indirectly

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who's got the biggest budget.

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Then when you get there, about the other

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the other half of the score is how

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does your rocket perform? And for each of

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those altitude categories, your goal is to hit

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that altitude exactly.

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So 10,000 feet exactly,

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30,000 feet exactly, 45,000

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feet exactly.

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Then there's one there's one last little wedge

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in the pie chart that is, is your

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rocket

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reusable?

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You are required to design it to be

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reusable. It comes down under parachutes.

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Did all that actually work? Is your rocket

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in good condition and ready for reuse?

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This must be a

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a terrific learning experience

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for for for the college students

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participating in this. Well, you know, we like

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to see this as sort of a a

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true life,

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problem.

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When you're in the industry,

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you know, these teams are often multidisciplinary.

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It's not just aerospace engineers.

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It's mechanical engineers as well as

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electrical engineers, computer engineers. We have systems engineers

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for the integration component.

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The better teams also have business people that

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are part of the team because

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it takes a fair amount of money to

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be able to to put one of these

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things together. So it's that multidisciplinary

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team that,

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really makes one of these teams successful.

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And and, you you know, we're we're trying

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to assimilate a real world, problem for the

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teams. One of the the things that we

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really enjoy is hearing

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how many of the former contestants

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have been

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hired by the aerospace industry.

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Every single

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every single aerospace company has got somebody that's

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been through this come through this competition,

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And that's why we get sponsored,

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by companies like Blue Origin and SpaceX and,

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you know, with Virgin Galactic.

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They're they're looking for the talent, students that

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have been through this life cycle of a

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project,

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and then, they know that they've already had

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this sort of real world experience.

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Yeah. And I think I'd I'd like to

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really emphasize that numbers

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part is we have over 2,000 students on-site,

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but over 7,000

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around the world who are being touched by

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this event in some way. And

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by our estimate,

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we think that a significant percentage of the

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total US

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Aerospace

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workforce,

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Our new grad workforce is coming through our

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event every year.

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What kind of guidance systems do these rockets

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have? I mean, how do

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you control them to remain within whatever the

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waiver

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airspace is?

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Well,

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actually, it is illegal to put a guidance

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system inside one of these rockets. Then it's

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a missile. Right? Then it's a missile. Right.

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You can't you can do things like,

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we have teams that, you know, as you

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approach

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their apogee altitude, let's say it's 30,000 feet.

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Their electronics will sense where where they are,

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in terms of the atmosphere

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and will apply things like air brakes, but

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that's just to apply resistance to the outside

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of the rocket. It's not guiding the rocket.

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So, yeah, there's there's absolutely

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no no guidance systems allowed.

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And you mentioned several times that there are

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international teams, teams from all over the world.

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Any Mhmm. Any particular teams that were kind

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of, I don't know,

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surprising or notable or kind of unexpected?

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You know, the we the the the Swiss,

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the German teams, the the you know, there's

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Australian teams, New Zealand,

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you you know, we've got,

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Turkey, India. Canada, Turkey, India. Algeria.

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You know, so,

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I will say that in last year, I

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I attended

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the the around the world, there have been

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a number of copycat sort of

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competitions that have sprung up, you know, that

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are generally local.

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And I attended the one in Turkey, and

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and I I'm very impressed, with

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what they're doing and the Turkish commitment to

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the aerospace industry right now. And in fact,

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we have a number of,

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well, the the Turkish teams right now are

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10 that are coming to The United States,

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and,

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they're also sending judges.

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And so

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it's not only their team participation, but now

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they're also getting in on the volunteer side

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of things

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and, and supplying judges for the competition. So,

550
00:20:36,140 --> 00:20:38,319
Canada has got 11 teams coming.

551
00:20:39,179 --> 00:20:41,339
Mexico has got five teams coming this year.

552
00:20:41,339 --> 00:20:44,214
So, you know, it's all it's it's a

553
00:20:44,214 --> 00:20:45,035
very international,

554
00:20:45,974 --> 00:20:47,275
very international event.

555
00:20:47,575 --> 00:20:49,494
You know, I, a friend of mine is

556
00:20:49,494 --> 00:20:49,654
a,

557
00:20:50,375 --> 00:20:52,535
flight director, major flight director for one of

558
00:20:52,535 --> 00:20:53,434
the big airlines,

559
00:20:53,815 --> 00:20:56,234
and he is not a fan of SpaceX

560
00:20:56,535 --> 00:20:57,089
at all.

561
00:20:58,130 --> 00:21:00,470
Because, you know, every so often,

562
00:21:00,849 --> 00:21:02,690
both coasts of Florida are shut down, the

563
00:21:02,690 --> 00:21:05,329
Caribbean shut down, and then sometimes, even without

564
00:21:05,329 --> 00:21:07,009
planning, it shut down for a much longer

565
00:21:07,009 --> 00:21:09,169
period of time than than it was intended

566
00:21:09,169 --> 00:21:10,950
to be. So I'm curious.

567
00:21:11,255 --> 00:21:13,515
And I guess, Brahm, this would be you.

568
00:21:13,735 --> 00:21:15,255
How do you handle this kind of thing

569
00:21:15,255 --> 00:21:17,095
with the FAA in terms of working with

570
00:21:17,095 --> 00:21:19,095
what's going on and letting the airlines do

571
00:21:19,095 --> 00:21:20,615
what they're supposed to do and follow their

572
00:21:20,615 --> 00:21:21,515
regular schedules?

573
00:21:22,295 --> 00:21:26,279
Yeah. So for this competition, it's very different

574
00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:27,259
than, I guess,

575
00:21:27,559 --> 00:21:29,960
what may some of your, you know, viewers

576
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,480
and some of your listeners might be used

577
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:32,779
to is seeing a NOTAM

578
00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:33,740
pop up,

579
00:21:34,519 --> 00:21:35,339
on a Skychart

580
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,394
for a weekend or two.

581
00:21:38,275 --> 00:21:40,275
Because, you know, across the country, there's a

582
00:21:40,275 --> 00:21:42,695
lot of little rocket launch sites for little

583
00:21:42,755 --> 00:21:45,234
STs or amateur rockets that maybe go to

584
00:21:45,234 --> 00:21:46,115
18,000,

585
00:21:46,115 --> 00:21:49,015
maybe maybe 10, maybe five. Nothing too high.

586
00:21:49,075 --> 00:21:50,994
Maybe a few going up a little higher

587
00:21:50,994 --> 00:21:52,055
up to 30,000.

588
00:21:52,730 --> 00:21:54,570
And you'll you'll they'll usually pop up on

589
00:21:54,570 --> 00:21:56,250
the weekend once a month. And if you're

590
00:21:56,250 --> 00:21:58,090
paying attention, you'll see them be a little

591
00:21:58,090 --> 00:21:59,150
area on the map.

592
00:21:59,690 --> 00:22:02,650
But because of our competition being an entire

593
00:22:02,650 --> 00:22:03,150
week,

594
00:22:03,529 --> 00:22:05,950
and because we're going to such high altitudes,

595
00:22:06,090 --> 00:22:07,789
which was really difficult

596
00:22:08,194 --> 00:22:10,375
to get normally for a lot of people,

597
00:22:10,595 --> 00:22:12,355
what I had to do with FAA was

598
00:22:12,355 --> 00:22:13,634
kinda work out a little bit of a

599
00:22:13,634 --> 00:22:14,115
deal.

600
00:22:14,755 --> 00:22:18,275
We are not in a there's a Victor

601
00:22:18,275 --> 00:22:18,775
route

602
00:22:19,154 --> 00:22:20,054
in the area.

603
00:22:20,434 --> 00:22:20,934
And

604
00:22:21,539 --> 00:22:23,960
talking with FAA to begin talking with FAA,

605
00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:27,000
it was an understanding of,

606
00:22:27,460 --> 00:22:29,000
okay, what are our altitudes

607
00:22:29,299 --> 00:22:31,480
that we're gonna be going to as general,

608
00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:33,000
idea.

609
00:22:33,884 --> 00:22:35,965
And then working with the offices of commercial

610
00:22:35,965 --> 00:22:38,684
space to determine, okay, we obviously don't have

611
00:22:38,684 --> 00:22:39,184
guidance.

612
00:22:39,724 --> 00:22:41,164
So none of the teams are gonna have

613
00:22:41,164 --> 00:22:41,664
guidance.

614
00:22:41,965 --> 00:22:43,585
So they need to create

615
00:22:44,125 --> 00:22:46,845
a a max impacted air, area that's going

616
00:22:46,845 --> 00:22:48,480
to affect air traffic.

617
00:22:50,140 --> 00:22:52,000
And work with air traffic control

618
00:22:52,539 --> 00:22:54,220
in the area and work with the airlines

619
00:22:54,220 --> 00:22:56,700
to determine, okay, how can we impact you

620
00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:58,240
guys the least amount?

621
00:22:58,779 --> 00:23:00,539
So the waiver that I have for the

622
00:23:00,539 --> 00:23:01,019
competition,

623
00:23:01,339 --> 00:23:02,240
77,

624
00:23:02,695 --> 00:23:06,134
11, seventy seven eleven, yep, dash two, which

625
00:23:06,134 --> 00:23:08,134
if you're familiar with doing any,

626
00:23:09,174 --> 00:23:10,775
drone u or some of the more advanced

627
00:23:10,775 --> 00:23:12,615
drone use or or doing any waiver that

628
00:23:12,615 --> 00:23:14,934
require for, air vent, you might have filled

629
00:23:14,934 --> 00:23:15,674
that out.

630
00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:18,579
Ours has some pretty unique special provisions.

631
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,980
So for the event,

632
00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:24,480
we are trying to limit the I think

633
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:25,700
it's the El Paso

634
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,900
to Fort Stockton route on Southwest

635
00:23:29,464 --> 00:23:31,244
because they have some flights going there.

636
00:23:31,625 --> 00:23:34,025
We are trying to limit our event from

637
00:23:34,025 --> 00:23:36,045
from really interrupting them. So

638
00:23:36,664 --> 00:23:39,724
we're trying to group our our rockets

639
00:23:40,265 --> 00:23:42,184
by cap which we already are doing by

640
00:23:42,184 --> 00:23:42,684
altitude,

641
00:23:43,065 --> 00:23:44,845
and then changing the NOTAM

642
00:23:45,340 --> 00:23:47,440
during the event. So it's not a static

643
00:23:47,980 --> 00:23:49,920
NOTAM, which is is very unique.

644
00:23:50,299 --> 00:23:51,740
This is I I don't think I've seen

645
00:23:51,740 --> 00:23:54,299
this at at any other, Rocketry event. And

646
00:23:54,299 --> 00:23:55,820
I definitely know it's not done at, like,

647
00:23:55,820 --> 00:23:56,799
even the higher levels,

648
00:23:57,434 --> 00:24:00,075
because obviously no one is launching, we're we're,

649
00:24:00,075 --> 00:24:01,835
like, at a 50 rockets in a in

650
00:24:01,835 --> 00:24:02,414
a week

651
00:24:03,115 --> 00:24:04,255
anywhere in the country,

652
00:24:05,835 --> 00:24:07,774
at wildly different altitudes.

653
00:24:08,315 --> 00:24:10,154
So we've made a provision with them, and

654
00:24:10,154 --> 00:24:12,220
it was quite a while to get all

655
00:24:12,220 --> 00:24:14,619
this sorted out, but it's going to change.

656
00:24:14,619 --> 00:24:15,900
And so if you're a,

657
00:24:16,299 --> 00:24:19,500
pilot looking out on in Midland, Texas, you

658
00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:21,680
might see a NOTAM changing

659
00:24:22,140 --> 00:24:24,460
throughout the week. And we're gonna try to

660
00:24:24,460 --> 00:24:26,605
limit as much impact as we can to

661
00:24:26,605 --> 00:24:27,265
the airspace.

662
00:24:28,045 --> 00:24:30,605
And luckily, we're not in super heavily trafficked

663
00:24:30,605 --> 00:24:33,404
area, but ours is kinda unique for this

664
00:24:33,404 --> 00:24:34,384
event specifically.

665
00:24:34,845 --> 00:24:37,980
Can you give me a rough idea of

666
00:24:37,980 --> 00:24:38,720
the dimensions

667
00:24:39,019 --> 00:24:40,000
of the restricted

668
00:24:40,299 --> 00:24:40,799
airspace

669
00:24:41,660 --> 00:24:43,500
that you guys are gonna fly in? I

670
00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:44,000
mean,

671
00:24:45,019 --> 00:24:46,880
what's the radius from the ground?

672
00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:49,500
So from the ground, it's a two naught

673
00:24:49,660 --> 00:24:52,515
so for our category, we're calling them launch

674
00:24:52,654 --> 00:24:55,214
group one, which is anything below 18,000 feet,

675
00:24:55,214 --> 00:24:57,775
which is the unrestricted airspace that most people

676
00:24:57,775 --> 00:24:58,755
aren't gonna be

677
00:24:59,134 --> 00:24:59,795
have any,

678
00:25:00,335 --> 00:25:02,335
impact no impacts on, which is gonna be

679
00:25:02,335 --> 00:25:04,174
the majority of our flights. That's a two

680
00:25:04,174 --> 00:25:05,555
nautical mile radius

681
00:25:06,029 --> 00:25:07,250
around our launch site.

682
00:25:07,710 --> 00:25:08,210
Wow.

683
00:25:08,670 --> 00:25:10,750
Two miles, but you have no gut you

684
00:25:10,750 --> 00:25:12,369
have no control over the rocket.

685
00:25:12,670 --> 00:25:15,390
No control. All we have control over for

686
00:25:15,390 --> 00:25:17,970
our, rockets is the launch angle. So

687
00:25:18,384 --> 00:25:21,424
everything's pretty much going straight directly up. And

688
00:25:21,424 --> 00:25:22,164
we control

689
00:25:23,505 --> 00:25:24,005
when

690
00:25:24,704 --> 00:25:25,184
and,

691
00:25:25,505 --> 00:25:28,005
and what weather conditions they launch at.

692
00:25:28,384 --> 00:25:29,605
But that is the

693
00:25:30,304 --> 00:25:32,704
rough idea of how much, of the the

694
00:25:32,704 --> 00:25:35,320
the impacted area from, for, for those launches.

695
00:25:35,539 --> 00:25:37,299
Just wanna let me add one little bit

696
00:25:37,299 --> 00:25:38,900
to this is that, you know, part of

697
00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:40,359
our safety code is that,

698
00:25:41,539 --> 00:25:43,160
we can't launch in any clouds.

699
00:25:43,779 --> 00:25:46,099
So it's gotta be a clear, you you

700
00:25:46,099 --> 00:25:47,799
know, you do a visual on the airspace

701
00:25:47,859 --> 00:25:49,160
before you launch a rocket.

702
00:25:49,664 --> 00:25:51,184
And, and if there's,

703
00:25:51,825 --> 00:25:53,985
I I guess it's better than 50% cloud

704
00:25:53,985 --> 00:25:56,305
coverage over the launch site. There we have

705
00:25:56,305 --> 00:25:57,525
to stop all operations.

706
00:25:58,065 --> 00:25:59,904
But you're you're fly I mean, you're flying

707
00:25:59,904 --> 00:26:01,745
in a parabola. You can't help but fly

708
00:26:01,745 --> 00:26:03,240
in in a parabola. How do you control

709
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,400
for winds and and direction? How do you

710
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,320
measure that at, you know, if you're past

711
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,460
18,000 feet?

712
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,740
So we can use certain, weather apps,

713
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,360
for a lot of the flights, but we

714
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:15,740
we are trying to

715
00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:19,164
mostly get our best case of what the

716
00:26:19,164 --> 00:26:21,164
weather's gonna be up like up up at

717
00:26:21,164 --> 00:26:22,625
the higher altitudes for the flights,

718
00:26:23,644 --> 00:26:25,505
and then determine if we should launch,

719
00:26:25,884 --> 00:26:28,444
which we've done in, past launches before where

720
00:26:28,444 --> 00:26:30,684
it's it's perfectly on the ground, but then,

721
00:26:31,005 --> 00:26:33,440
weather data says it's way too high up

722
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:33,519
there.

723
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,380
And the other part of the rockets, which,

724
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,720
although there are parabola, the the parachute system

725
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,380
that we

726
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,660
want them, most of our competitors to use,

727
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,340
a drogue and a main,

728
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:47,519
has

729
00:26:48,295 --> 00:26:50,055
if you actually look at what the flight

730
00:26:50,055 --> 00:26:52,375
profile of some of these rockets are, it's

731
00:26:52,375 --> 00:26:53,595
gonna be pretty much

732
00:26:54,214 --> 00:26:56,315
straight up, and then they're gonna

733
00:26:57,174 --> 00:26:58,315
slow down coming,

734
00:27:00,214 --> 00:27:03,630
from their top Apogee a little bit, but

735
00:27:03,630 --> 00:27:06,109
they're gonna still be going kinda fast. This

736
00:27:06,109 --> 00:27:07,410
is under drogue.

737
00:27:08,190 --> 00:27:09,789
So they'll be going a hundred feet per

738
00:27:09,789 --> 00:27:12,269
second down. And then around a thousand feet,

739
00:27:12,269 --> 00:27:14,029
2,000 feet, in that kind of range, they'll

740
00:27:14,029 --> 00:27:17,009
open up their main parachute and slow down

741
00:27:17,984 --> 00:27:19,365
to a nice easy

742
00:27:19,664 --> 00:27:22,244
ten, twenty, maybe 30 feet per second.

743
00:27:22,944 --> 00:27:25,265
Oh, that's interesting. So yeah. So when, you

744
00:27:25,265 --> 00:27:26,884
know, back in the in the day,

745
00:27:27,345 --> 00:27:28,005
in the

746
00:27:28,384 --> 00:27:29,525
sixties, basically,

747
00:27:29,984 --> 00:27:31,605
when I was launching Estes Rockets,

748
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,160
Yeah. The the parachute popped out, and you

749
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,480
were at the the whims of the, you're

750
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,380
right, of the,

751
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,840
of the wind speed. Yeah. In fact, I'm

752
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,600
still looking for some of my rockets from

753
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,660
back. Yeah. I know.

754
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:43,940
Well,

755
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,820
you know, it's also selfish. Right?

756
00:27:47,365 --> 00:27:48,105
The more

757
00:27:48,565 --> 00:27:50,404
we're the more we're blown by wind, the

758
00:27:50,404 --> 00:27:52,404
more students have to walk to go find

759
00:27:52,404 --> 00:27:54,964
their rocket. Yeah. Right. What speed do these

760
00:27:54,964 --> 00:27:56,024
things achieve,

761
00:27:56,884 --> 00:27:57,865
on the way up?

762
00:27:58,404 --> 00:28:00,339
So it depends on what the what the

763
00:28:00,339 --> 00:28:02,500
competitors are going for. So some of them

764
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:04,019
are going a little higher in altitude, say,

765
00:28:04,019 --> 00:28:05,619
30,000 or 45,000

766
00:28:05,619 --> 00:28:07,859
feet. They might be well, depending on their

767
00:28:07,859 --> 00:28:09,299
design, they might be going up to Mach

768
00:28:09,299 --> 00:28:09,700
three.

769
00:28:10,339 --> 00:28:12,679
Mach two is not out of the realm

770
00:28:12,899 --> 00:28:15,079
of question. They're they're regularly supersonic.

771
00:28:15,755 --> 00:28:17,835
Yeah. Most of them I mean, not most

772
00:28:17,835 --> 00:28:18,654
of them, I guess.

773
00:28:19,275 --> 00:28:21,595
But, you know, Mach one, Mach two, and,

774
00:28:21,835 --> 00:28:24,795
and and occasionally a Mach three, that that's

775
00:28:24,795 --> 00:28:26,634
the speeds. And and do you have to

776
00:28:26,634 --> 00:28:28,955
get, o okay from the FAA to break

777
00:28:28,955 --> 00:28:31,055
the sound barrier like that? No. You don't.

778
00:28:31,380 --> 00:28:33,059
That's the strange thing about it. Part one

779
00:28:33,059 --> 00:28:35,940
zero one of the FAA's regulation on rock

780
00:28:36,099 --> 00:28:37,539
amateur rocketry doesn't,

781
00:28:38,019 --> 00:28:39,480
regulate it against speed.

782
00:28:40,339 --> 00:28:42,200
We're just on impulse on the motor,

783
00:28:43,059 --> 00:28:45,079
which is it's the for for

784
00:28:46,015 --> 00:28:46,994
class two,

785
00:28:47,454 --> 00:28:48,194
model rocketry,

786
00:28:48,575 --> 00:28:51,075
which is what where most of this is.

787
00:28:52,015 --> 00:28:54,654
We we're limited on just the impulse, which

788
00:28:54,654 --> 00:28:56,115
is forty thousand

789
00:28:56,575 --> 00:28:59,180
and nine hundred and two seconds. Yeah. Forty

790
00:28:59,180 --> 00:29:01,359
nine sixty newton seconds. Yeah. There we go.

791
00:29:01,420 --> 00:29:03,820
But it's not a limit on the the

792
00:29:03,820 --> 00:29:05,840
mass of the motor or the speed,

793
00:29:06,299 --> 00:29:07,820
and then we're just limited a little bit

794
00:29:07,820 --> 00:29:09,119
on altitude, which is,

795
00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:10,720
50 kilometers.

796
00:29:11,914 --> 00:29:13,615
So we're not there, but

797
00:29:14,315 --> 00:29:16,075
Can can you tell us about those classes

798
00:29:16,075 --> 00:29:17,615
and the differences between them?

799
00:29:17,994 --> 00:29:20,394
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So your your class

800
00:29:20,394 --> 00:29:23,515
one model rocket is is your is what

801
00:29:23,515 --> 00:29:25,349
most people are are gonna be familiar with

802
00:29:25,349 --> 00:29:27,390
when they think model rocketry. That's your SDs.

803
00:29:27,390 --> 00:29:29,009
That's your that's your little guys.

804
00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:31,329
That's what you probably did in,

805
00:29:31,789 --> 00:29:33,150
as a kid, and then it's what a

806
00:29:33,150 --> 00:29:35,150
lot of people still fly with their children

807
00:29:35,150 --> 00:29:36,750
or or even at a lot of model,

808
00:29:36,910 --> 00:29:38,349
a lot of launch sites because they're a

809
00:29:38,349 --> 00:29:39,865
lot of fun, of course.

810
00:29:40,965 --> 00:29:42,725
And then you get up to the next

811
00:29:42,725 --> 00:29:44,664
clash, which is high power,

812
00:29:45,045 --> 00:29:46,965
model rocket, which is is kinda what we're

813
00:29:47,125 --> 00:29:48,585
most of these teams are doing.

814
00:29:50,404 --> 00:29:52,644
Lot bigger motors. Your impulse goes all the

815
00:29:52,644 --> 00:29:53,909
way up to can go up all the

816
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:54,889
way to 40,000.

817
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:57,349
And then you have your class three, which

818
00:29:57,349 --> 00:29:59,529
is your advanced high power,

819
00:30:00,069 --> 00:30:00,809
which is

820
00:30:01,109 --> 00:30:01,609
anything

821
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:03,369
above that. So

822
00:30:04,069 --> 00:30:06,329
these are some really experimental rockets,

823
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:07,289
usually.

824
00:30:08,215 --> 00:30:10,615
There's very, very few few of them. I

825
00:30:10,615 --> 00:30:12,134
don't I don't think there's actually a motor

826
00:30:12,134 --> 00:30:13,815
that you can buy that goes up into

827
00:30:13,815 --> 00:30:15,755
that. So you're making your own motor,

828
00:30:16,134 --> 00:30:18,934
and you're probably you're going easily up past

829
00:30:18,934 --> 00:30:21,410
a hundred thousand feet. We have members of

830
00:30:21,410 --> 00:30:23,029
the volunteer staff,

831
00:30:23,650 --> 00:30:24,549
that have actually,

832
00:30:25,009 --> 00:30:27,410
you know, gone up to 300,000

833
00:30:27,410 --> 00:30:29,890
feet and or, you know, if you believe

834
00:30:29,890 --> 00:30:31,009
them, 400,000

835
00:30:31,009 --> 00:30:31,890
feet. But, you know

836
00:30:34,115 --> 00:30:37,555
This year's event is in Texas. This is

837
00:30:37,555 --> 00:30:38,515
the first time. Right? Pre

838
00:30:39,475 --> 00:30:41,575
previously, it had been in in New Mexico,

839
00:30:42,195 --> 00:30:44,355
I guess. Right. So, Brahm, you did you

840
00:30:44,355 --> 00:30:46,375
have to basically start all over

841
00:30:46,809 --> 00:30:49,309
with getting the the waiver? Was it

842
00:30:49,690 --> 00:30:50,349
a complete

843
00:30:50,890 --> 00:30:53,529
repeat of the entire process? Or did you

844
00:30:53,690 --> 00:30:55,130
were you able to sort of leverage what

845
00:30:55,130 --> 00:30:56,029
you'd had previously?

846
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:59,049
No. This was from scratch. So the previous

847
00:30:59,049 --> 00:31:01,115
launch site was at Spaceport America,

848
00:31:01,414 --> 00:31:03,894
where the Virgin Galactic flies. And they have

849
00:31:03,894 --> 00:31:04,394
a,

850
00:31:05,095 --> 00:31:05,595
standing

851
00:31:06,214 --> 00:31:06,714
waiver,

852
00:31:07,255 --> 00:31:09,095
because they're right next to White Sands Missile

853
00:31:09,095 --> 00:31:09,595
Range.

854
00:31:10,375 --> 00:31:12,055
So they they have, like, their own standing

855
00:31:12,055 --> 00:31:14,295
waiver that we were just under for the

856
00:31:14,295 --> 00:31:16,440
event. And so this is the first time

857
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,559
that the ESRA has gone around and created

858
00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:20,220
their own

859
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:22,619
operating waiver with the FAA.

860
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,740
And so this was this was a wasn't

861
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:28,444
necessarily a new experience, but I think for

862
00:31:28,444 --> 00:31:31,164
me, but it was a very different experience

863
00:31:31,164 --> 00:31:32,464
than I've ever had

864
00:31:33,005 --> 00:31:33,585
to do,

865
00:31:34,125 --> 00:31:36,384
ever done with FAA for trying to create

866
00:31:36,684 --> 00:31:39,244
a launch launch waiver. Yeah. And I I

867
00:31:39,244 --> 00:31:41,744
think it's not a very well known process.

868
00:31:42,340 --> 00:31:44,100
Yeah. And so that's also a part of

869
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:46,340
why we wanted to spread the word a

870
00:31:46,340 --> 00:31:47,400
little bit or

871
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:49,619
explain what's involved here. So I don't think

872
00:31:49,619 --> 00:31:51,000
it's very well known, particularly

873
00:31:51,779 --> 00:31:53,799
when we're going this high.

874
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:56,360
I probably have watched too many SpaceX

875
00:31:56,924 --> 00:31:58,545
launches recently, but,

876
00:31:59,245 --> 00:32:01,105
when one of the rockets

877
00:32:02,045 --> 00:32:02,625
kind of

878
00:32:03,164 --> 00:32:05,164
decides to go in a direction that you

879
00:32:05,164 --> 00:32:07,164
don't want it to, do you have a

880
00:32:07,164 --> 00:32:07,664
way

881
00:32:08,525 --> 00:32:10,125
to zap that little baby? Or

882
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:12,109
So so they do.

883
00:32:13,289 --> 00:32:13,789
Yeah.

884
00:32:14,170 --> 00:32:17,049
We don't. Well, a space if you're a,

885
00:32:18,089 --> 00:32:20,509
if you are a actual rocket,

886
00:32:20,970 --> 00:32:22,829
provider, and you are going

887
00:32:23,529 --> 00:32:25,150
into an, orbital

888
00:32:26,025 --> 00:32:26,684
or velocity,

889
00:32:27,384 --> 00:32:29,545
you are required by the FAA to have

890
00:32:29,545 --> 00:32:30,045
a,

891
00:32:31,465 --> 00:32:34,525
destruction system. Yeah, self destruct system built in.

892
00:32:36,505 --> 00:32:37,005
And

893
00:32:38,170 --> 00:32:40,269
we are not required to have that.

894
00:32:40,570 --> 00:32:42,269
I don't think I'd wanna have explosives.

895
00:32:43,049 --> 00:32:45,450
No. No. And and but but here's what

896
00:32:45,450 --> 00:32:46,269
we do do.

897
00:32:47,210 --> 00:32:47,710
Because,

898
00:32:48,329 --> 00:32:49,130
we have,

899
00:32:49,529 --> 00:32:53,070
modeling software that helps us understand maybe,

900
00:32:54,025 --> 00:32:56,505
based on what the wind speed is, based

901
00:32:56,505 --> 00:32:59,565
on the the angle, based on the azimuth,

902
00:33:00,105 --> 00:33:02,285
we can predict if there is a ballistic

903
00:33:02,345 --> 00:33:04,345
recovery where that's gonna be. So we make

904
00:33:04,345 --> 00:33:05,085
sure that

905
00:33:05,464 --> 00:33:08,000
every morning, we do this modeling. And every

906
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,359
morning, we diagram out a ballistic impact zone

907
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:13,700
that we make sure that's clear,

908
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,400
just in case something does come in ballistic.

909
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:17,519
But,

910
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,000
that's about the that's about the best we

911
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,640
can do.

912
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:23,254
And, you know, I I will say that

913
00:33:23,254 --> 00:33:23,914
in the,

914
00:33:24,375 --> 00:33:25,355
you know, the,

915
00:33:25,974 --> 00:33:26,474
eighteen,

916
00:33:26,775 --> 00:33:28,794
years of running in the competition,

917
00:33:29,414 --> 00:33:32,294
we've never had a rocket related incident. And

918
00:33:32,294 --> 00:33:34,615
we're you know? So I I popped my

919
00:33:34,615 --> 00:33:35,974
chest out a little bit when I say

920
00:33:35,974 --> 00:33:36,474
that,

921
00:33:37,210 --> 00:33:38,190
especially since,

922
00:33:38,809 --> 00:33:40,190
you know, we're dealing with

923
00:33:40,490 --> 00:33:42,490
students that maybe for the first time have

924
00:33:42,490 --> 00:33:44,430
been involved in rocketry. So,

925
00:33:45,130 --> 00:33:47,070
I I think it's a testament to,

926
00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:49,130
the the amount of support we give the

927
00:33:49,130 --> 00:33:49,630
teams

928
00:33:50,090 --> 00:33:52,774
and when they develop their rockets from from

929
00:33:52,774 --> 00:33:54,294
the, you know, from the,

930
00:33:54,934 --> 00:33:56,534
drafting board, if you will, all the way

931
00:33:56,534 --> 00:33:57,674
up and through the launch.

932
00:33:58,294 --> 00:34:00,534
You mentioned the two mile radius for an

933
00:34:00,534 --> 00:34:01,414
18,000

934
00:34:01,414 --> 00:34:03,575
foot launch. What kind of radius do you

935
00:34:03,575 --> 00:34:05,255
have for a 50

936
00:34:05,255 --> 00:34:05,755
kilometer

937
00:34:06,294 --> 00:34:09,250
altitude launch? I don't know for a 50

938
00:34:09,250 --> 00:34:11,570
kilometer, but I'll say for our hundred and

939
00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:14,210
two or hundred three, hundred thousand foot,

940
00:34:14,849 --> 00:34:17,969
weight hundred thousand foot launches, the the radius

941
00:34:17,969 --> 00:34:20,230
is 12 nautical miles. Okay.

942
00:34:21,614 --> 00:34:23,795
And you and so talking actually,

943
00:34:24,094 --> 00:34:26,434
and to bounce back onto Steve's point,

944
00:34:26,735 --> 00:34:28,494
the office of commercial space,

945
00:34:29,534 --> 00:34:32,255
they will, as part of getting this waiver

946
00:34:32,255 --> 00:34:32,994
going into,

947
00:34:33,454 --> 00:34:34,594
you know, controlled airspace,

948
00:34:35,135 --> 00:34:37,650
they will do their own modeling to determine

949
00:34:37,650 --> 00:34:38,150
what

950
00:34:38,849 --> 00:34:40,609
that hazard area is going to be. They

951
00:34:40,609 --> 00:34:42,210
don't just take our word for it. Yeah.

952
00:34:42,210 --> 00:34:42,369
They

953
00:34:44,929 --> 00:34:47,909
And so, as part of creating the waiver,

954
00:34:47,969 --> 00:34:50,234
if you're doing your own, you know, say

955
00:34:50,234 --> 00:34:51,994
you wanna build your own rocket and you

956
00:34:51,994 --> 00:34:53,375
just wanna launch that one,

957
00:34:54,074 --> 00:34:56,554
you can give them much more information, much

958
00:34:56,554 --> 00:34:59,194
more detail about your your rocket. And they

959
00:34:59,194 --> 00:35:00,714
can come back and say, oh, you know

960
00:35:00,714 --> 00:35:02,554
what? Your waiver, because with the way you've

961
00:35:02,554 --> 00:35:03,989
designed it, the way you're gonna launch it,

962
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:05,510
the of how much restriction you're gonna put

963
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:06,250
onto it,

964
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:07,849
it might be a lot less.

965
00:35:09,269 --> 00:35:11,909
But because of our kind of we're having

966
00:35:11,909 --> 00:35:13,590
a bunch of student teams come, we have

967
00:35:13,590 --> 00:35:16,150
an idea of their rockets, but we we

968
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:18,090
are not, you know, it's not us.

969
00:35:19,295 --> 00:35:21,295
The office of commercial space has created a

970
00:35:21,295 --> 00:35:21,535
a more

971
00:35:22,494 --> 00:35:25,454
let's let's we'll put a conservative estimate of

972
00:35:25,454 --> 00:35:27,775
the area that's gonna be impacted. Yeah. And

973
00:35:27,775 --> 00:35:29,135
it sounds like there I mean, there are

974
00:35:29,135 --> 00:35:31,055
a number of steps here, a number of

975
00:35:31,055 --> 00:35:34,019
organizations involved. Bram, you you mentioned the the

976
00:35:34,019 --> 00:35:36,599
form seventy seven eleven dash two has sorta,

977
00:35:37,219 --> 00:35:39,940
collects the basic information, I guess, and and

978
00:35:39,940 --> 00:35:42,280
kicks that off. And that goes that starts

979
00:35:42,340 --> 00:35:45,140
at the FAA Regional Service Center. Is that

980
00:35:45,140 --> 00:35:45,640
correct?

981
00:35:46,065 --> 00:35:49,344
Yeah. It does. So be yep. The beginning

982
00:35:49,344 --> 00:35:52,005
of this is really finding a launch site,

983
00:35:52,144 --> 00:35:54,144
doing some basic research of what you're gonna

984
00:35:54,144 --> 00:35:54,724
be launching,

985
00:35:55,905 --> 00:35:58,385
confirming on your own a little bit, hey,

986
00:35:58,385 --> 00:36:00,545
am I in restricted airspace? Is this going

987
00:36:00,545 --> 00:36:02,510
to be a burden to,

988
00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:06,349
the airspace that I might be launching in?

989
00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:08,730
Am I just gonna be told no? But

990
00:36:08,730 --> 00:36:10,730
once you reach out to the off, the

991
00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:13,130
regional service center, that's when it really will

992
00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:15,375
start kicking off, and they'll have a good,

993
00:36:15,454 --> 00:36:16,974
depending on what you're doing, a pretty good

994
00:36:16,974 --> 00:36:19,635
conversation with you of trying to determine,

995
00:36:21,375 --> 00:36:23,394
some either constraints or

996
00:36:24,255 --> 00:36:26,175
rules that they'll make with you to say,

997
00:36:26,175 --> 00:36:27,614
hey, you know what, if you could actually

998
00:36:27,614 --> 00:36:30,335
just launch during this time frame or maybe

999
00:36:30,335 --> 00:36:30,655
you could,

1000
00:36:31,369 --> 00:36:32,969
can you actually move it a little bit

1001
00:36:32,969 --> 00:36:34,410
to left or right of where you're trying

1002
00:36:34,410 --> 00:36:37,070
to launch, so we're not impacting this airway?

1003
00:36:38,809 --> 00:36:41,210
That's how it'll start. Yeah. And I'll say

1004
00:36:41,210 --> 00:36:42,429
as as an observer

1005
00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:43,869
on this that

1006
00:36:44,405 --> 00:36:46,025
the FAA wants to help,

1007
00:36:46,405 --> 00:36:48,644
that I think we've had a a positive

1008
00:36:48,644 --> 00:36:49,144
experience

1009
00:36:49,684 --> 00:36:52,885
that we want to share or use a

1010
00:36:52,885 --> 00:36:53,784
shared resource

1011
00:36:54,405 --> 00:36:56,664
effectively for the benefit of everyone. And

1012
00:36:57,269 --> 00:36:59,429
there are three service centers, and the number

1013
00:36:59,429 --> 00:37:01,349
of people who handle rockets at those service

1014
00:37:01,349 --> 00:37:02,329
centers is

1015
00:37:02,869 --> 00:37:03,769
one or two.

1016
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:06,230
So it's a it's a very finite number

1017
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:09,110
of people that you'll be interacting with, and

1018
00:37:09,110 --> 00:37:11,474
you can develop a relationship with them

1019
00:37:11,954 --> 00:37:13,635
over time. Or you certainly will be by

1020
00:37:13,635 --> 00:37:15,715
the time you're getting all the way through

1021
00:37:15,715 --> 00:37:17,875
this waiver process. Yeah. I was gonna ask

1022
00:37:17,875 --> 00:37:20,035
how long the waiver process takes or how

1023
00:37:20,035 --> 00:37:20,934
long it took.

1024
00:37:21,235 --> 00:37:23,555
For us, it was actually probably the quickest

1025
00:37:23,555 --> 00:37:25,635
it's ever been. And that's because we pushed

1026
00:37:25,635 --> 00:37:27,449
quite hard and had a little help,

1027
00:37:28,250 --> 00:37:30,109
from our reach of some regional partners.

1028
00:37:30,730 --> 00:37:32,429
But normally, it can take

1029
00:37:32,809 --> 00:37:34,409
for a lot of people, it it will

1030
00:37:34,409 --> 00:37:35,869
take, you know, a month or two,

1031
00:37:36,409 --> 00:37:37,550
to get it all approved.

1032
00:37:38,010 --> 00:37:40,250
It's recommended to give as much time as

1033
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:41,150
possible, especially

1034
00:37:41,929 --> 00:37:43,275
if you're going to higher altitudes.

1035
00:37:44,875 --> 00:37:46,474
But if you're doing something small, maybe you're

1036
00:37:46,474 --> 00:37:48,574
going out to, you know, the

1037
00:37:49,034 --> 00:37:50,795
park or something, and you're doing a small

1038
00:37:50,795 --> 00:37:51,275
little,

1039
00:37:51,835 --> 00:37:52,335
flight,

1040
00:37:53,194 --> 00:37:54,335
twenty four hours

1041
00:37:54,875 --> 00:37:56,494
is even good. No kidding.

1042
00:37:57,380 --> 00:37:59,140
If you're doing something small, if they if

1043
00:37:59,140 --> 00:38:01,380
you're not, they're gonna But even something major,

1044
00:38:01,380 --> 00:38:02,900
like you say, you're like that you're doing

1045
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:05,300
a month or two, that's that's that's quicker

1046
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:06,900
than I would have guessed. But some of

1047
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:10,315
these smallest rockets, there's no interaction required. Yeah.

1048
00:38:10,315 --> 00:38:12,394
So so I guess that's technically a zero.

1049
00:38:12,394 --> 00:38:12,894
Yeah.

1050
00:38:13,515 --> 00:38:14,574
Sure. Sure.

1051
00:38:14,954 --> 00:38:15,775
I'll also say,

1052
00:38:16,474 --> 00:38:17,775
I believe the the

1053
00:38:18,155 --> 00:38:20,175
recommended minimum is ninety days.

1054
00:38:20,474 --> 00:38:21,375
Yeah. But

1055
00:38:21,675 --> 00:38:22,175
the

1056
00:38:22,795 --> 00:38:23,454
the regulatory

1057
00:38:23,835 --> 00:38:25,050
promise is that

1058
00:38:25,610 --> 00:38:26,989
it's giving you a response

1059
00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:29,289
at least ten days in advance of your

1060
00:38:29,289 --> 00:38:30,429
proposed launch date.

1061
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:31,630
So

1062
00:38:32,010 --> 00:38:33,929
this is an area where we've seen some

1063
00:38:33,929 --> 00:38:35,070
challenge of

1064
00:38:35,610 --> 00:38:37,469
if you submit a year in advance,

1065
00:38:38,235 --> 00:38:39,454
that regulatory

1066
00:38:40,394 --> 00:38:41,775
response date doesn't move.

1067
00:38:42,235 --> 00:38:43,835
So you could you could submit three, six,

1068
00:38:43,835 --> 00:38:45,375
five days in advance, and

1069
00:38:45,755 --> 00:38:47,994
they won't necessarily tell you until ten days

1070
00:38:47,994 --> 00:38:49,934
before. You know? In practice,

1071
00:38:50,474 --> 00:38:52,859
they're friendlier than that, but they don't have

1072
00:38:52,859 --> 00:38:55,739
to. What about military air traffic? Do they

1073
00:38:55,739 --> 00:38:57,199
get involved in this as well?

1074
00:38:57,579 --> 00:38:58,799
For this one, yes.

1075
00:38:59,819 --> 00:39:02,380
It's what's great about the service center is

1076
00:39:02,380 --> 00:39:04,859
they'll put you in contact with if you're

1077
00:39:04,859 --> 00:39:06,239
gonna impact like a

1078
00:39:06,625 --> 00:39:07,364
IR route,

1079
00:39:07,744 --> 00:39:10,144
they'll put you in contact with liaison at

1080
00:39:10,144 --> 00:39:11,985
whatever the military base that might be impacted

1081
00:39:11,985 --> 00:39:13,125
by it. In this case,

1082
00:39:13,505 --> 00:39:15,045
Dreyfus Air Force Base

1083
00:39:15,744 --> 00:39:18,065
in Texas. They have an IR route that

1084
00:39:18,065 --> 00:39:18,625
we'll be,

1085
00:39:19,949 --> 00:39:20,449
impacting.

1086
00:39:21,389 --> 00:39:23,250
Lucky for us, it's not a very popular

1087
00:39:23,469 --> 00:39:25,489
or not a very used one, and so

1088
00:39:25,550 --> 00:39:27,630
they're alright with just shutting it down for

1089
00:39:27,630 --> 00:39:29,650
the week. But in other cases,

1090
00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:32,130
say, out in California,

1091
00:39:32,434 --> 00:39:34,594
which a very famous launch, the Friends of

1092
00:39:34,594 --> 00:39:35,494
Amateur Rocktree,

1093
00:39:36,114 --> 00:39:38,594
they're they're smack dab in the middle of,

1094
00:39:38,994 --> 00:39:40,375
restricted military airspace,

1095
00:39:41,474 --> 00:39:43,175
which is actually great for them

1096
00:39:43,474 --> 00:39:46,114
because there's they're not impacting anyone but the

1097
00:39:46,114 --> 00:39:48,320
military, and the military doesn't do anything on

1098
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:48,980
the weekends.

1099
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,900
So they're like, yeah.

1100
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:55,460
Fly to your heart's content.

1101
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,000
There's gotta be no planes in the side

1102
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:58,739
on the weekends.

1103
00:39:59,605 --> 00:40:01,765
So we have this, the event coming up,

1104
00:40:01,765 --> 00:40:04,085
right, June,

1105
00:40:04,085 --> 00:40:06,184
I guess, this year, 2025.

1106
00:40:06,644 --> 00:40:07,125
And,

1107
00:40:07,684 --> 00:40:08,664
I understand

1108
00:40:08,965 --> 00:40:10,344
this is a spectator

1109
00:40:10,805 --> 00:40:12,265
event as well. Correct?

1110
00:40:12,929 --> 00:40:13,750
Yes. Absolutely.

1111
00:40:14,530 --> 00:40:17,170
If folks wanna come out on-site, they're welcome

1112
00:40:17,170 --> 00:40:17,670
to.

1113
00:40:18,130 --> 00:40:20,449
We're also gonna have a livestream running where

1114
00:40:20,449 --> 00:40:21,969
you can view it from anywhere in the

1115
00:40:21,969 --> 00:40:23,730
world, and we'll send you a link to

1116
00:40:23,730 --> 00:40:25,510
put in the show notes. Yes, please.

1117
00:40:25,809 --> 00:40:27,589
And, also, if you're local,

1118
00:40:27,889 --> 00:40:29,494
the Blakemore Planetarium

1119
00:40:29,954 --> 00:40:32,034
is going to be playing the live stream

1120
00:40:32,034 --> 00:40:32,775
in the planetarium

1121
00:40:33,554 --> 00:40:35,795
for you to watch. Oh, wow. I'll also

1122
00:40:35,795 --> 00:40:37,875
say I, in a media function, have been

1123
00:40:37,875 --> 00:40:39,414
wanting to do some aerial photography

1124
00:40:39,714 --> 00:40:41,795
of the launch site. Maybe not while rockets

1125
00:40:41,795 --> 00:40:42,934
are flying, but

1126
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,039
sort of before or after the event. So

1127
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:47,440
if there are any flyers listening in the

1128
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,659
Midland, Odessa,

1129
00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:51,059
Pecos, Fort Stockton area,

1130
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:52,980
I have a mission for you.

1131
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:53,780
Shameless.

1132
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,534
This this sounds like a good opportunity for

1133
00:40:56,534 --> 00:40:58,795
a drone. So if something goes wrong

1134
00:40:59,974 --> 00:41:02,135
And so where can folks go to to

1135
00:41:02,135 --> 00:41:04,775
learn more about this, the the competition in

1136
00:41:04,775 --> 00:41:05,275
general?

1137
00:41:05,655 --> 00:41:08,954
Our website is soundingrocket.org,

1138
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:10,219
all one word.

1139
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,920
And, you know, we've got everything there. You

1140
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,000
know, we do have a large a large

1141
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,960
number of the the, local community that are

1142
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,539
involved in STEM activities that will be participating

1143
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,724
both at our convention center where the the

1144
00:41:23,844 --> 00:41:25,605
we have a convention center day where the

1145
00:41:25,605 --> 00:41:27,364
students come in and put up a poster

1146
00:41:27,364 --> 00:41:30,585
session and display their rockets. And the public

1147
00:41:30,644 --> 00:41:33,684
as well as judges and and other teams

1148
00:41:33,684 --> 00:41:35,519
can go and look at to see,

1149
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:37,679
what's been done with their rocket,

1150
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,159
before we go down to the launch site.

1151
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:42,480
So there's a day in Midland at the

1152
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:43,539
Horseshoe Pavilion,

1153
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,960
and it's a it's a great opportunity to

1154
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,340
come in and talk and,

1155
00:41:49,184 --> 00:41:50,965
you know, meet meet the students,

1156
00:41:51,265 --> 00:41:53,285
get an understanding for what they do.

1157
00:41:53,664 --> 00:41:54,144
Then,

1158
00:41:54,625 --> 00:41:56,625
the the more fun, though, is out at

1159
00:41:56,625 --> 00:41:58,945
the launch site, and we have an area

1160
00:41:58,945 --> 00:41:59,445
that's

1161
00:42:00,144 --> 00:42:01,525
roped off for specifically

1162
00:42:02,070 --> 00:42:04,890
just spectators, not students, not so that they

1163
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:07,510
but, you know, we'll we're making an event

1164
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:09,510
out of it. We're having food trucks come.

1165
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:10,410
We've got,

1166
00:42:11,110 --> 00:42:12,890
sponsors will be there, recruiting,

1167
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:14,809
the students,

1168
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:17,190
as they're launching their rockets. And,

1169
00:42:18,204 --> 00:42:19,425
it's it's genuinely

1170
00:42:20,364 --> 00:42:22,224
and I I guess I'm biased, but

1171
00:42:22,605 --> 00:42:24,204
it's you you know, this is as much

1172
00:42:24,204 --> 00:42:25,804
fun as you can have, I think, in

1173
00:42:25,804 --> 00:42:28,125
a desert, you know, to me, anyway. I

1174
00:42:28,125 --> 00:42:30,525
think so too. And and this is largely

1175
00:42:30,525 --> 00:42:31,184
a volunteer

1176
00:42:31,565 --> 00:42:33,980
operation. Correct? It's a %.

1177
00:42:34,219 --> 00:42:36,219
We're a five zero one c three, and

1178
00:42:36,219 --> 00:42:38,000
we don't have any paid employees.

1179
00:42:38,780 --> 00:42:42,219
And so of the 50

1180
00:42:42,219 --> 00:42:43,739
to a 75

1181
00:42:43,739 --> 00:42:45,599
volunteers that we'll have on-site,

1182
00:42:46,894 --> 00:42:49,234
These are all there for

1183
00:42:50,255 --> 00:42:50,755
promoting

1184
00:42:51,295 --> 00:42:54,734
the aerospace industry and and dedicated towards the

1185
00:42:54,734 --> 00:42:56,514
betterment of the engineering students.

1186
00:42:56,894 --> 00:42:57,635
It's another,

1187
00:42:58,414 --> 00:43:00,239
wild thing. You know, I've got a I've

1188
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,320
got a core group of of, I'd say,

1189
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,360
about 30 that are involved year round that,

1190
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,159
lead up. In fact, one of my biggest,

1191
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:09,059
accomplishments,

1192
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:11,920
and I think Logan may have even started

1193
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:12,659
this trend,

1194
00:43:13,105 --> 00:43:16,065
but having former competitors that actually come on

1195
00:43:16,065 --> 00:43:18,485
and take leadership roles inside the organization.

1196
00:43:19,025 --> 00:43:20,785
And I tell you, it's the lifeblood of

1197
00:43:20,785 --> 00:43:23,344
the organization right now. I mean, I got

1198
00:43:23,344 --> 00:43:24,244
Brahm Brahm,

1199
00:43:24,785 --> 00:43:26,545
was a judge in the past, but this

1200
00:43:26,545 --> 00:43:28,590
year as he took on the FAA stuff,

1201
00:43:29,070 --> 00:43:31,150
he's just done such a phenomenal job. And

1202
00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:33,710
he and Logan, and we have another member

1203
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:35,869
of this group, that I call the bird

1204
00:43:35,869 --> 00:43:36,610
dog team,

1205
00:43:36,910 --> 00:43:38,829
that if you put them on a task,

1206
00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:40,750
they're gonna bird dog it until it gets

1207
00:43:40,750 --> 00:43:42,695
done. And it's, you know, it's one of

1208
00:43:42,695 --> 00:43:45,015
those things that I just, I can't thank

1209
00:43:45,015 --> 00:43:46,954
them enough. I can't thank the energy,

1210
00:43:47,574 --> 00:43:48,554
the former competitors

1211
00:43:48,855 --> 00:43:50,155
that are coming in because

1212
00:43:50,695 --> 00:43:52,695
they enjoyed their experience. And you know what?

1213
00:43:52,695 --> 00:43:54,535
They wanna make it even better. You know?

1214
00:43:54,535 --> 00:43:55,994
So, all volunteers,

1215
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,880
all volunteering their time and,

1216
00:43:59,279 --> 00:44:00,179
no paid employees.

1217
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:02,559
You know, before it sounds like we're getting

1218
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:03,920
around to close this out, and I don't

1219
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,359
wanna be like Brian. I don't wanna have

1220
00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:07,119
one last question after we close it out.

1221
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:09,255
So I gotta ask one actually, two last

1222
00:44:09,255 --> 00:44:11,214
questions before we close it out. The actually,

1223
00:44:11,214 --> 00:44:12,855
the first one's not a question, but the

1224
00:44:12,855 --> 00:44:14,534
title of the movie, I already got it.

1225
00:44:14,534 --> 00:44:16,954
This is great. It's Brahms versus the FAA.

1226
00:44:17,174 --> 00:44:19,734
I love the title. It just sounds great.

1227
00:44:19,734 --> 00:44:22,295
But Bird dog. Yeah. But the question that

1228
00:44:22,295 --> 00:44:23,670
I have for you all is,

1229
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:26,230
how did you each get into sounding rocketry

1230
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:28,309
and model rocketry to begin with? Yeah. Mine's

1231
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:30,230
easy. I'm I'm an old guy. Right? So

1232
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:31,429
when when we first,

1233
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:33,369
stepped foot on the moon,

1234
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:35,909
I was 10 years old on vacation in

1235
00:44:35,909 --> 00:44:36,969
Cape Cod, Connecticut.

1236
00:44:37,429 --> 00:44:38,409
I mean, Massachusetts.

1237
00:44:39,405 --> 00:44:39,724
And,

1238
00:44:40,204 --> 00:44:42,285
ever since I mean, I was involved, you

1239
00:44:42,285 --> 00:44:44,144
know, back in the Gemini days,

1240
00:44:44,844 --> 00:44:46,765
but, it just was one of those things

1241
00:44:46,765 --> 00:44:48,065
that, for me,

1242
00:44:48,364 --> 00:44:49,905
it just became a lifelong

1243
00:44:50,525 --> 00:44:53,159
pursuit of happiness, really. And, you know, my

1244
00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:55,559
career was in in chemistry. So well, like,

1245
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:57,500
like, I wasn't in rocketry.

1246
00:44:58,119 --> 00:44:59,099
It's only after,

1247
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,319
you know, I've I've become I've come re

1248
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,359
retired and,

1249
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,599
you know, my dad said you gotta give

1250
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:06,440
back after you're done working, and my give

1251
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,655
back is giving back to the aerospace industry.

1252
00:45:08,894 --> 00:45:11,135
Very good. So I Brahm, you go I'm

1253
00:45:11,135 --> 00:45:13,534
sorry, Brahm. You go ahead. Sure. No. Yeah.

1254
00:45:13,534 --> 00:45:16,735
Yeah. Well, I I'll say that my I'm

1255
00:45:16,735 --> 00:45:19,215
from Washington DC, and so one of the

1256
00:45:19,215 --> 00:45:20,195
great, great,

1257
00:45:20,735 --> 00:45:22,414
museums in our country is the Air and

1258
00:45:22,414 --> 00:45:23,155
Space Museum.

1259
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:24,809
And my parents

1260
00:45:25,269 --> 00:45:26,630
that was a great place to drop the

1261
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:28,389
kids off because they get free and you

1262
00:45:28,389 --> 00:45:29,210
can run around.

1263
00:45:31,269 --> 00:45:32,789
There's a lot of great planes, a lot

1264
00:45:32,789 --> 00:45:34,569
of great rockets in that museum.

1265
00:45:34,869 --> 00:45:36,710
There's actually well, there's actually two museums, but,

1266
00:45:38,065 --> 00:45:40,224
that's where it started as a child. And

1267
00:45:40,224 --> 00:45:41,445
then in college, I

1268
00:45:41,824 --> 00:45:44,085
I I was did my own rock tree,

1269
00:45:44,545 --> 00:45:46,385
club, just like a lot of the competitors

1270
00:45:46,385 --> 00:45:48,304
are doing at this event and was at

1271
00:45:48,304 --> 00:45:49,045
this event.

1272
00:45:49,664 --> 00:45:50,485
As a competitor,

1273
00:45:51,184 --> 00:45:52,485
that led me into,

1274
00:45:53,150 --> 00:45:55,070
you know, into the career of being a

1275
00:45:55,070 --> 00:45:56,849
propulsion engineer at Blue Origin.

1276
00:45:57,630 --> 00:45:59,630
And so that's kinda where I'm at right

1277
00:45:59,630 --> 00:46:00,369
now, but

1278
00:46:00,910 --> 00:46:02,829
it's it's why I've also given back because

1279
00:46:02,829 --> 00:46:04,910
it's it's a lot of fun. Cool. How

1280
00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:05,809
about you, Logan?

1281
00:46:06,510 --> 00:46:08,574
Yeah. And for me, I had

1282
00:46:09,194 --> 00:46:11,914
just enjoyed launching little STS rockets as a

1283
00:46:11,914 --> 00:46:12,414
kid.

1284
00:46:12,875 --> 00:46:14,654
And then in high school,

1285
00:46:15,114 --> 00:46:16,414
participated in

1286
00:46:16,714 --> 00:46:19,434
the NASA rocket competition, the NASA Student Launch

1287
00:46:19,434 --> 00:46:19,934
Initiative,

1288
00:46:20,369 --> 00:46:23,029
which has a it's a structured program

1289
00:46:23,730 --> 00:46:26,230
that that has some parallels to

1290
00:46:26,849 --> 00:46:28,230
IREC Ezra IREC,

1291
00:46:29,089 --> 00:46:30,929
where you're you're going through a year, you're

1292
00:46:30,929 --> 00:46:32,150
doing design reviews,

1293
00:46:32,494 --> 00:46:33,775
you go to the launch site at the

1294
00:46:33,775 --> 00:46:35,235
end and launch something. And

1295
00:46:35,775 --> 00:46:36,594
that really

1296
00:46:37,054 --> 00:46:37,795
was a

1297
00:46:38,175 --> 00:46:40,094
that was a significant experience for me at

1298
00:46:40,094 --> 00:46:42,675
the time that changed some of

1299
00:46:43,054 --> 00:46:45,529
what I wanted to do. And so then

1300
00:46:45,529 --> 00:46:47,929
at university level, I ended up doing electrical

1301
00:46:47,929 --> 00:46:48,429
engineering

1302
00:46:48,809 --> 00:46:50,829
for my degree. So I I do enjoy

1303
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:51,789
the payloads

1304
00:46:52,889 --> 00:46:53,710
in the rockets,

1305
00:46:54,730 --> 00:46:56,909
not just the propulsion system. Yep.

1306
00:46:57,954 --> 00:46:58,775
In school,

1307
00:46:59,074 --> 00:47:00,454
I I participated

1308
00:47:01,554 --> 00:47:02,375
in iREC.

1309
00:47:02,914 --> 00:47:04,755
Hey. My team won our category the year

1310
00:47:04,755 --> 00:47:06,994
we participated, the 30,000 foot commercial off the

1311
00:47:06,994 --> 00:47:07,815
shelf category,

1312
00:47:08,355 --> 00:47:09,174
which I

1313
00:47:09,474 --> 00:47:10,835
am sure to bring up with one of

1314
00:47:10,835 --> 00:47:12,214
our other volunteers whose

1315
00:47:12,539 --> 00:47:14,320
university was second place that year.

1316
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:18,960
Is Elon a member?

1317
00:47:20,380 --> 00:47:21,360
No. Not to know.

1318
00:47:21,660 --> 00:47:23,660
No. Not yet. We're working out of them.

1319
00:47:23,660 --> 00:47:25,994
We we do he he is, he is

1320
00:47:26,235 --> 00:47:28,460
sponsoring, a portion of this, so we will

1321
00:47:28,460 --> 00:47:31,055
have recruiters from SpaceX and some engineers there.

1322
00:47:31,595 --> 00:47:34,394
But that's the next step. Get Elon excited

1323
00:47:34,394 --> 00:47:35,835
by it. Well, he has a little more

1324
00:47:35,835 --> 00:47:38,414
time on his hands now. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

1325
00:47:38,474 --> 00:47:40,715
Maybe. And For any of your listeners, we'd

1326
00:47:40,715 --> 00:47:43,519
be happy to have them come participate either

1327
00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:45,940
as, you know, go find your local team

1328
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,820
or come be a judge. Yeah.

1329
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:50,260
Come be a volunteer.

1330
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:51,619
And

1331
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,239
if you can't get out to Midland, Texas

1332
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:54,980
next week,

1333
00:47:55,454 --> 00:47:57,695
know that next year, we're gonna do this

1334
00:47:57,695 --> 00:47:58,355
all again,

1335
00:47:58,655 --> 00:48:00,575
and we do need remote judges to grade

1336
00:48:00,575 --> 00:48:02,414
the reports. So no matter where you are

1337
00:48:02,414 --> 00:48:04,175
in the world, you can volunteer for this

1338
00:48:04,175 --> 00:48:05,315
event. Oh, excellent.

1339
00:48:06,094 --> 00:48:08,434
Brahm, I wanted to, to ask you,

1340
00:48:08,869 --> 00:48:10,710
and we were talking about this a little

1341
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:12,090
bit, the other day.

1342
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:13,690
With all of the

1343
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:14,890
launches

1344
00:48:15,269 --> 00:48:17,429
that take place in this country these days,

1345
00:48:17,429 --> 00:48:19,910
it's kind of an increased opportunity for people

1346
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:22,090
to actually go see a launch.

1347
00:48:22,695 --> 00:48:24,775
And maybe you have some tips or some

1348
00:48:24,775 --> 00:48:25,275
thoughts

1349
00:48:25,575 --> 00:48:27,675
for, for folks who might wanna

1350
00:48:28,215 --> 00:48:29,195
get to Cape Canaveral

1351
00:48:29,575 --> 00:48:32,375
or another location and and view some of

1352
00:48:32,375 --> 00:48:32,614
these,

1353
00:48:33,735 --> 00:48:35,195
SpaceX or Blue Origin,

1354
00:48:35,575 --> 00:48:37,035
etcetera kinds of launches.

1355
00:48:37,539 --> 00:48:39,139
Yeah. It's like I was talking about with

1356
00:48:39,139 --> 00:48:40,539
you yesterday. It is

1357
00:48:40,980 --> 00:48:43,059
it's quite an opportune time to come down

1358
00:48:43,059 --> 00:48:44,900
to The Cape if you're if you're interested

1359
00:48:44,900 --> 00:48:47,059
in rocketry at all or just just wanna

1360
00:48:47,059 --> 00:48:48,739
see a giant thing fly up into the

1361
00:48:48,739 --> 00:48:49,239
sky,

1362
00:48:49,859 --> 00:48:51,159
and make a lot of noise.

1363
00:48:53,574 --> 00:48:56,534
There is most there's now just about every

1364
00:48:56,534 --> 00:48:57,034
week,

1365
00:48:57,335 --> 00:48:59,434
a launch. And just last month,

1366
00:49:00,054 --> 00:49:01,835
alone, there were 17 launches,

1367
00:49:02,614 --> 00:49:03,594
out of The Cape.

1368
00:49:03,974 --> 00:49:06,300
So that's more than half the month.

1369
00:49:06,780 --> 00:49:09,660
And I would say, if you're either maybe

1370
00:49:09,660 --> 00:49:10,880
you're just going to Disney.

1371
00:49:11,660 --> 00:49:12,160
Yep.

1372
00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:14,480
There's

1373
00:49:15,340 --> 00:49:16,480
it's check the schedule.

1374
00:49:17,019 --> 00:49:19,760
There's some great schedules out there from Spaceflight

1375
00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:21,519
Now or NASA Spaceflight.

1376
00:49:23,234 --> 00:49:26,355
There's also the Kennedy Space Center schedule that

1377
00:49:26,514 --> 00:49:28,054
they'll let you know if they have tickets

1378
00:49:28,114 --> 00:49:29,795
to go a little bit closer to the

1379
00:49:29,795 --> 00:49:30,295
rockets.

1380
00:49:30,914 --> 00:49:32,135
You have to pay for those.

1381
00:49:32,514 --> 00:49:33,174
But, otherwise,

1382
00:49:33,954 --> 00:49:36,295
there's some great viewing spots from the beaches,

1383
00:49:37,179 --> 00:49:39,739
around The Cape. Well, just about anywhere near

1384
00:49:39,739 --> 00:49:41,360
The Cape, you'll be able to see it.

1385
00:49:41,659 --> 00:49:43,099
And if you're lucky, at the end of

1386
00:49:43,099 --> 00:49:45,179
the launch, you might be able to go

1387
00:49:45,179 --> 00:49:46,000
by the port,

1388
00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:47,579
have a bite to eat, and see one

1389
00:49:47,579 --> 00:49:49,260
of the rockets come back in to the

1390
00:49:49,260 --> 00:49:50,880
port. Yes. Yes.

1391
00:49:51,785 --> 00:49:53,945
So are you guys trying to mimic the,

1392
00:49:54,184 --> 00:49:57,485
the SpaceX system where instead of a parachute,

1393
00:49:57,945 --> 00:49:59,545
you can figure out a way to get

1394
00:49:59,545 --> 00:50:00,045
the,

1395
00:50:00,505 --> 00:50:02,425
booster to just kinda come back down, and

1396
00:50:02,425 --> 00:50:05,065
then one of the guys just grabs that

1397
00:50:05,065 --> 00:50:07,065
little sucker in the air before it hits

1398
00:50:07,065 --> 00:50:07,679
the ground.

1399
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:09,760
I'd be happy to see that. That'd be

1400
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,039
cool, but I don't know if I trust

1401
00:50:11,039 --> 00:50:13,059
you to do that just yet.

1402
00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:15,280
Yeah. That may be a little tough to

1403
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,199
pull off. Yeah. Well, there there is another

1404
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:20,239
event called called Lander Challenge that is challenging

1405
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:21,760
students to do that and has some cash

1406
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:22,260
prizes.

1407
00:50:22,655 --> 00:50:24,594
But that's a different rocketry organization.

1408
00:50:25,135 --> 00:50:27,074
So one rocketry organization

1409
00:50:27,375 --> 00:50:28,114
to launch

1410
00:50:28,414 --> 00:50:30,275
and another rocketry organization

1411
00:50:30,655 --> 00:50:31,315
to land.

1412
00:50:31,695 --> 00:50:32,195
Max,

1413
00:50:33,135 --> 00:50:34,894
t, what do you think about that if

1414
00:50:34,894 --> 00:50:37,360
we were trying to teach people to fly?

1415
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,679
I'm your flight instructor. I'll teach you how

1416
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:41,840
to take off, but how to get to

1417
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,340
max in order to learn how to land.

1418
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:47,760
I think this could work. Yeah. Maybe. Why

1419
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:48,924
not? But But I must say I like

1420
00:50:48,924 --> 00:50:50,704
staying below a hundred thousand feet.

1421
00:50:51,164 --> 00:50:51,664
Yeah.

1422
00:50:52,605 --> 00:50:55,344
Air is a bit more breathable. Yeah. Yeah.

1423
00:50:55,484 --> 00:50:58,204
Thanks for coming, guys. This was fun. Yeah.

1424
00:50:58,204 --> 00:51:00,284
A little scary to me, but it was

1425
00:51:00,284 --> 00:51:01,744
fun. Yeah. Well,

1426
00:51:02,525 --> 00:51:04,380
the big takeaway for for you, Rob, I

1427
00:51:04,380 --> 00:51:06,380
guess, is just watch the NOTAMs and,

1428
00:51:07,179 --> 00:51:08,079
Right. Exactly.

1429
00:51:08,539 --> 00:51:09,980
And and they'll be watching you,

1430
00:51:11,099 --> 00:51:12,000
on the launchpad,

1431
00:51:12,780 --> 00:51:13,280
visually

1432
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:14,880
to see if you're

1433
00:51:15,260 --> 00:51:16,159
zipping by.

1434
00:51:23,264 --> 00:51:25,284
On to the news. First story.

1435
00:51:26,144 --> 00:51:26,784
Boy, we,

1436
00:51:27,824 --> 00:51:29,105
we find a lot of good stuff at

1437
00:51:29,105 --> 00:51:30,804
paddleyourowncanoe.com.

1438
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:34,309
Rob, this is inside United's game changing flight

1439
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:35,369
attendant deal.

1440
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:36,410
Raises,

1441
00:51:36,789 --> 00:51:38,890
retro pay, and hotel upgrades.

1442
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:40,329
This has been

1443
00:51:41,590 --> 00:51:43,755
a the never ending negotiation, I think.

1444
00:51:44,315 --> 00:51:46,154
This is about five years they've been

1445
00:51:46,795 --> 00:51:48,894
at least four four plus,

1446
00:51:49,434 --> 00:51:50,094
in the

1447
00:51:50,634 --> 00:51:51,614
process. And,

1448
00:51:52,474 --> 00:51:54,954
United's master executive council, which is,

1449
00:51:55,355 --> 00:51:56,414
the group of,

1450
00:51:57,194 --> 00:52:00,530
flight attendants and pilots that are in charge

1451
00:52:00,530 --> 00:52:01,030
of

1452
00:52:01,489 --> 00:52:02,550
the union operations

1453
00:52:02,849 --> 00:52:03,909
at United,

1454
00:52:05,650 --> 00:52:08,690
really came came together on this and came

1455
00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:12,050
up with finally a contract that I think,

1456
00:52:12,449 --> 00:52:14,389
is gonna is gonna be incredible,

1457
00:52:15,364 --> 00:52:16,984
not just because it gives

1458
00:52:17,605 --> 00:52:19,545
the flight attendants more pay,

1459
00:52:19,925 --> 00:52:20,425
but

1460
00:52:20,885 --> 00:52:23,464
the biggest issue that has always plagued

1461
00:52:23,844 --> 00:52:26,324
flight attendants was that they never got paid

1462
00:52:26,324 --> 00:52:28,664
until the aircraft pushed back from the gate.

1463
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:31,800
So if if you had them load a,

1464
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:32,380
you know,

1465
00:52:32,839 --> 00:52:33,980
a 200 person

1466
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:35,099
airplane

1467
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,099
and it was delayed

1468
00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:38,940
and they sat there

1469
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,819
at the gate or on the ramp for

1470
00:52:42,585 --> 00:52:43,804
two and a half hours,

1471
00:52:44,184 --> 00:52:46,425
the flight attendants didn't get paid. And it,

1472
00:52:46,425 --> 00:52:47,724
you know, it was never,

1473
00:52:48,425 --> 00:52:50,425
it it it just was never fair. I

1474
00:52:50,425 --> 00:52:51,804
never understood that.

1475
00:52:52,105 --> 00:52:55,005
The pilots get paid, but the flight attendants

1476
00:52:55,065 --> 00:52:57,724
didn't. And this has been going on for

1477
00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:00,039
as long as I can remember.

1478
00:53:00,420 --> 00:53:01,719
And not just this airline.

1479
00:53:02,179 --> 00:53:04,500
Oh, no. Not not just this airline, but

1480
00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:06,980
every airline. And so that's why this is

1481
00:53:06,980 --> 00:53:08,820
really going to change things. And the,

1482
00:53:09,940 --> 00:53:12,659
the United Flight Attendants Group,

1483
00:53:13,114 --> 00:53:14,894
which is the AFA,

1484
00:53:15,755 --> 00:53:19,114
Association of Flight Attendants, said the tentative agreement

1485
00:53:19,114 --> 00:53:20,494
has the highest compensation

1486
00:53:21,194 --> 00:53:23,295
and the largest overall economic

1487
00:53:23,594 --> 00:53:24,094
improvement

1488
00:53:24,474 --> 00:53:27,514
in the history of our careers, meaning of

1489
00:53:27,514 --> 00:53:28,255
flight attendants.

1490
00:53:29,099 --> 00:53:31,900
The highest retro pay, so they're gonna get

1491
00:53:31,900 --> 00:53:32,720
back pay,

1492
00:53:33,260 --> 00:53:36,160
to a particular date once this is

1493
00:53:36,780 --> 00:53:37,280
approved.

1494
00:53:37,980 --> 00:53:39,360
Again, boarding pay,

1495
00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:42,400
economic and quality of life provisions,

1496
00:53:43,664 --> 00:53:46,244
and significant improvement in terms of,

1497
00:53:46,704 --> 00:53:47,204
hotels,

1498
00:53:47,744 --> 00:53:49,125
health care, retirement,

1499
00:53:49,664 --> 00:53:51,744
and all of that kind of thing is

1500
00:53:51,744 --> 00:53:54,465
part of what the, the crews, pilots, and

1501
00:53:54,465 --> 00:53:55,204
flight attendants

1502
00:53:55,585 --> 00:53:56,644
have to negotiate

1503
00:53:56,945 --> 00:53:57,844
in their contract.

1504
00:53:58,465 --> 00:53:58,785
And,

1505
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:02,859
some airlines are not as good as others,

1506
00:54:03,639 --> 00:54:03,960
to,

1507
00:54:04,839 --> 00:54:05,819
to their people.

1508
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:07,799
But, you know, in this time, it was

1509
00:54:07,799 --> 00:54:08,920
so important that,

1510
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:12,460
AFA's president, Sarah Nelson, who we had back

1511
00:54:12,714 --> 00:54:14,014
on the show in,

1512
00:54:14,394 --> 00:54:16,234
oh, gosh. I don't know what episode, but

1513
00:54:16,234 --> 00:54:17,614
it was a couple of years ago,

1514
00:54:18,155 --> 00:54:19,694
you know, flew into Chicago

1515
00:54:20,474 --> 00:54:22,635
to put the, you know, the final kiss

1516
00:54:22,635 --> 00:54:23,194
on this,

1517
00:54:23,755 --> 00:54:25,454
on this tentative agreement

1518
00:54:25,755 --> 00:54:27,755
and make sure that it got through the,

1519
00:54:28,590 --> 00:54:31,329
through the system. Now, what's happening is that

1520
00:54:32,670 --> 00:54:33,730
the AFA and

1521
00:54:34,190 --> 00:54:36,750
its members, its volunteer members are going to

1522
00:54:36,750 --> 00:54:40,210
go out at various bases around the country

1523
00:54:40,269 --> 00:54:41,970
wherever United is at

1524
00:54:43,344 --> 00:54:45,445
and and do a promo essentially

1525
00:54:45,905 --> 00:54:47,045
to to convince

1526
00:54:47,425 --> 00:54:49,744
the employees that, man, this is a contract

1527
00:54:49,744 --> 00:54:52,244
we have gotta vote for. Because right now,

1528
00:54:52,465 --> 00:54:54,644
it's a tentative agreement, and it's tentative

1529
00:54:55,105 --> 00:54:55,605
because

1530
00:54:56,099 --> 00:54:58,420
the employees need to vote in a in

1531
00:54:58,420 --> 00:54:59,000
a majority

1532
00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:01,860
to say, yes. We'd like that. And and

1533
00:55:01,860 --> 00:55:04,420
some people are a little reluctant sometimes. They

1534
00:55:04,420 --> 00:55:05,400
think, well,

1535
00:55:05,860 --> 00:55:08,180
this is all this is good, but you

1536
00:55:08,180 --> 00:55:10,464
know what? If we just hold out, it's

1537
00:55:10,464 --> 00:55:11,525
going to get better.

1538
00:55:12,385 --> 00:55:14,144
And and I think everybody is,

1539
00:55:14,625 --> 00:55:16,944
is telling them that, no. Not this time.

1540
00:55:16,944 --> 00:55:19,125
Just vote this contract in.

1541
00:55:19,425 --> 00:55:22,224
And, again, I think that the fact that

1542
00:55:22,224 --> 00:55:22,545
they,

1543
00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:25,940
that they're gonna get paid for boarding time,

1544
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,579
that alone, I think, is is incredible.

1545
00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:29,360
And,

1546
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,079
so we'll see what happens. It's gonna take,

1547
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,079
oh, I think they've got at least a

1548
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:36,179
month of of, vote

1549
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:36,980
show,

1550
00:55:37,385 --> 00:55:40,264
roadshows, they call them, where the union members

1551
00:55:40,264 --> 00:55:41,164
are out there,

1552
00:55:41,545 --> 00:55:43,964
you know, giving the details of the contract.

1553
00:55:44,184 --> 00:55:46,425
And then and then, of course, each base

1554
00:55:46,425 --> 00:55:47,244
has to vote.

1555
00:55:47,545 --> 00:55:47,864
And,

1556
00:55:48,425 --> 00:55:49,944
I think it's going to take at least

1557
00:55:49,944 --> 00:55:52,440
a month to gather all those results. But

1558
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,239
my guess is that they are going to

1559
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,019
they're going to approve this,

1560
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:58,219
contract.

1561
00:55:58,519 --> 00:55:58,760
And,

1562
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:00,859
I I think that's

1563
00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:03,420
that's the the biggest part of this

1564
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,699
entire story. Again, that they're gonna get paid

1565
00:56:06,934 --> 00:56:09,414
when they don't get to fly. But let's

1566
00:56:09,414 --> 00:56:11,494
let's clarify that for a minute because,

1567
00:56:11,974 --> 00:56:14,315
they haven't said what the boarding pay is.

1568
00:56:14,454 --> 00:56:16,534
And the boarding pay at with Delta and

1569
00:56:16,534 --> 00:56:19,175
Alaska and American that they're given is half

1570
00:56:19,175 --> 00:56:21,590
pay. It's not the full pay. And my

1571
00:56:21,590 --> 00:56:23,910
opinion is that that's that's wrong. I can

1572
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:25,510
understand why it might be half pay when

1573
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:27,829
the flight attendants are prepping the plane. But

1574
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:31,030
once boarding takes place, once one passenger gets

1575
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:33,265
on that plane, now they are both public

1576
00:56:33,265 --> 00:56:35,664
relations and safety experts, and they are in

1577
00:56:35,664 --> 00:56:37,284
full flight attendant responsibility.

1578
00:56:37,905 --> 00:56:38,885
All their responsibilities

1579
00:56:39,184 --> 00:56:41,605
are there. So once the first person boards,

1580
00:56:41,744 --> 00:56:43,985
once that boarding time starts, they should be

1581
00:56:43,985 --> 00:56:46,329
getting full plane, full pay rather, not once

1582
00:56:46,329 --> 00:56:47,929
they pull away. And that's the thing That's

1583
00:56:47,929 --> 00:56:49,530
true. That's part of the thing that I

1584
00:56:49,530 --> 00:56:52,090
suspect will be part of the issue in

1585
00:56:52,090 --> 00:56:53,150
voting for this.

1586
00:56:53,609 --> 00:56:55,530
Sure. And the and and I again, we

1587
00:56:55,530 --> 00:56:58,005
don't know the exact details of this, but

1588
00:56:58,085 --> 00:57:00,804
for the pilots in the past, the pilots

1589
00:57:00,804 --> 00:57:02,105
would get a a guarantee,

1590
00:57:02,884 --> 00:57:04,984
that every month you get paid for

1591
00:57:06,005 --> 00:57:07,304
seventy five hours

1592
00:57:07,844 --> 00:57:10,344
of of flying or eighty hours of flying.

1593
00:57:10,404 --> 00:57:12,644
And it didn't matter if if you didn't

1594
00:57:12,644 --> 00:57:13,144
get

1595
00:57:13,610 --> 00:57:16,030
all those hours in, you still got paid,

1596
00:57:16,170 --> 00:57:18,829
but not the flight attendants. They've always been

1597
00:57:18,890 --> 00:57:20,909
treated like second class citizens.

1598
00:57:21,369 --> 00:57:23,210
And so I I agree with Mike. Yeah.

1599
00:57:23,210 --> 00:57:24,890
The thing about the flight attendants as well

1600
00:57:24,890 --> 00:57:25,869
is, like,

1601
00:57:26,655 --> 00:57:28,735
Brian had a delay the other night, and

1602
00:57:28,735 --> 00:57:30,655
his flight was supposed to leave at 06:30,

1603
00:57:30,655 --> 00:57:32,655
and it ended up not leaving until 03:30

1604
00:57:32,655 --> 00:57:33,934
in the morning. And if you had a

1605
00:57:33,934 --> 00:57:36,574
flight attendant that was they're scheduled to report

1606
00:57:36,574 --> 00:57:38,494
at 05:00 to be there for a 06:30

1607
00:57:38,494 --> 00:57:38,994
flight,

1608
00:57:39,295 --> 00:57:41,869
she's on duty waiting for the flight for

1609
00:57:41,869 --> 00:57:44,690
those nine hours and not being paid. So,

1610
00:57:44,989 --> 00:57:48,289
again, that's something something about that doesn't

1611
00:57:48,590 --> 00:57:50,449
doesn't sit well with me. Yeah. Yeah.

1612
00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:53,410
I understand that the, membership will be voting

1613
00:57:53,550 --> 00:57:55,570
in July between July 7

1614
00:57:55,949 --> 00:57:57,170
and the twenty ninth.

1615
00:57:57,594 --> 00:57:58,335
So it's,

1616
00:57:59,114 --> 00:58:01,454
some time off before we'll find out the

1617
00:58:01,515 --> 00:58:04,335
total outcome of this. But, yeah, hopefully hopefully,

1618
00:58:04,394 --> 00:58:06,715
the, the membership the union membership will find

1619
00:58:06,715 --> 00:58:07,215
this

1620
00:58:07,835 --> 00:58:08,494
an acceptable

1621
00:58:09,275 --> 00:58:09,775
contract

1622
00:58:10,315 --> 00:58:12,414
and, and move forward with that.

1623
00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:14,000
Alright.

1624
00:58:14,619 --> 00:58:15,679
Let's see. From

1625
00:58:16,059 --> 00:58:17,280
space.com,

1626
00:58:18,619 --> 00:58:21,739
Trump's twenty twenty six budget would slash NASA

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funding by 24%

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and is worth forced by nearly one third.

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That's the

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that's the title. But under the,

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the proposed

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cut,

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the NASA budget would

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go from $24,800,000,000

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to $18,800,000,000.

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And that would be fiscal year twenty twenty

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six, which starts

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10/01/2025.

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NASA science funding would be cut by a

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lot, by 47%

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next year.

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That would,

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go down to $3,900,000,000

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and affect 41

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science projects. But

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if this survives as is,

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going forward,

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NASA is

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gonna be looking to,

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well, cancel

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a number of of missions. And then, of

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course, there's also

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a significant workforce reduction in there

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as well.

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So what is there left to say?

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We've got this to say. I've gotta do

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a shout out right now.

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Bill, if you're listening, send us your commentary

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on this so we can read it on

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the show.

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Okay.

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Yeah. That may not happen. But Well, and

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you know what's really sad about this?

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Of course, the the budget is

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an issue that has been under debate

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for some time,

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since this president

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has taken office.

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And,

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the the goal has been cut, cut, cut,

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cut, cut.

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And,

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when we get to the end of this

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story, though, it has a very interesting twist

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to it,

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that

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the missions that are gonna be canceled

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are things that The United States has been

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talking about for

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decades.

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And while we're not in the,

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Mercury,

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Gemini, Apollo,

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01:00:16,340 --> 01:00:17,700
space shuttle kind of,

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atmosphere anymore, there were still some pretty cool

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01:00:21,824 --> 01:00:23,605
projects that were going to be,

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that were going to be happening. I mean,

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we've sent, you know, rovers to Mars to,

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gather some

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material from the surface,

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and now they're just not gonna bring it

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back.

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There's the New Horizons mission,

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which was to explore the outer

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solar system after the craft

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went by Pluto,

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in 2015,

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and,

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another probe that's gonna be orbiting,

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that there that's been orbiting Jupiter

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01:00:55,144 --> 01:00:57,625
for the last ten years, and all this

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is gonna be cut.

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And,

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again, the the the big loser is the

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NASA science program. Now and I understand

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01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:08,809
when people look at the

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01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:11,670
cost of, say, the shuttle. I forgot what

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01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:14,150
it what it, what it cost to send

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up one shuttle mission, but it was in

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the, you know, billion dollar plus,

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for each flight.

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And,

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so okay. You're right. I mean, maybe

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NASA has not been

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the,

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the best steward of,

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some of the tax dollars that they were

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allocated, but,

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we don't have a whole lot of

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01:01:38,609 --> 01:01:40,789
good things to say here about this.

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And the, the spokesman, the planetary society,

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which

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is a

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large organizations

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of people focused on the science projects,

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said that the projects would require billions

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in new spending

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if after they're canceled,

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they ever decide to bring them back.

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And,

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the,

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the one good news, piece is that the

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the Nancy Grace Roman Space

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Telescope, which was

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headed for,

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for space

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soon,

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is not going to be cut. So they're

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going to keep that going.

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But, of course, as you mentioned,

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the big news is that,

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NASA's gonna lose a few people.

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01:02:25,335 --> 01:02:26,554
They expect the

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population of NASA to drop from 17,000,

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almost 400,

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down to, just under

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12,000.

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And, so that's a pretty sizable cut,

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for the people.

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32%,

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the, planetary society is is quoting.

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And it's

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the the they just call it a a

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gutting of NASA.

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And,

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you know, maybe there was a better way

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to do this.

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We don't know because, obviously,

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nobody is privy to the

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discussions.

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And,

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I think what what is,

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really concerning to me is that

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not every piece of

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space exploration

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has been cut because,

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there is a program called the

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commercial moon to Mars,

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m to m,

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infrastructure and transportation

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program that the White House has proposed,

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and they're going to get $864,000,000

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in this next budget.

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So they're taking it away from NASA

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and, and they're giving it to a,

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again, I don't know who this

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private concern is that's putting it together,

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but it's it's kinda sad that we don't

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have any idea at all what's going on.

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And,

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I I think that the,

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as the planetary

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society said,

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but it's only if this budget passes.

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And there are provisions in this budget that's

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now in the hands of the senate that

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are gonna probably make it very interesting,

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as to whether it,

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01:04:05,839 --> 01:04:09,519
actually comes together because the the Republicans only

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have a three vote

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majority in the Senate.

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And so if

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four Republicans vote against it, this budget's going

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nowhere.

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01:04:19,724 --> 01:04:22,144
And again, we're we're just talking about one

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small aspect of the,

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01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:27,059
of the budget that's going to be,

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affecting NASA. But what I do think is

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also interesting,

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and it's not part of this particular story,

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is that just yesterday,

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president Trump,

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01:04:37,795 --> 01:04:38,775
decided to,

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pull NASA's

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administrator nominee,

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from the, from the pro from the program.

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He was

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surprisingly,

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suggested by Elon Musk, which we all would

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have thought a month or two ago would

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have been a shoo in. And as it

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turns out,

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the president is saying,

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not this time.

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So it's gonna be real interesting here, among

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all the other projects

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to see what happens to NASA.

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Alright. Another,

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01:05:08,364 --> 01:05:10,525
oh, this is an interesting story. This,

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this comes from an ABC affiliate in, I

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guess, in Chicago.

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United plane makes a wrong turn nearly colliding

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with another flight midair.

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This is concerning

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San Francisco International Airport,

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which has,

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parallel runways,

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which many other airports do,

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I guess.

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San Francisco SFO was the first

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major parallel

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runway airport I flew into, and I this

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01:05:39,974 --> 01:05:41,735
was a long, long time ago, and I

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didn't know that there were parallel runways.

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And I'm looking out the window,

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and I'm seeing us being

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shadowed by another airplane.

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And I'm freaking out because I'm imagining that

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these two planes are gonna try to land

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on the same runway because they're both obviously

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coming in for a landing. But, of course,

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I learned that that that wasn't a problem.

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But,

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Rob, we did have a

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01:06:06,545 --> 01:06:07,844
a little bit of a problem.

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01:06:08,385 --> 01:06:10,565
I guess this was last month at SFO.

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01:06:11,824 --> 01:06:13,125
Yeah. More than a little.

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There were two aircraft

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departing at the same time off the parallels,

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and

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the

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traffic off the left runway

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was,

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instructed

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to,

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to basically proceed straight out, and the traffic

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off the right runway

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01:06:30,284 --> 01:06:31,744
was given a right turnout

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01:06:32,125 --> 01:06:34,204
to the, which would then be to the

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north

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off SFO.

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And,

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for some reason,

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the United crew

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turned left instead of right,

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and they turned into the path

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of this regional jet that had departed the

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left runway.

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Luckily,

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the crew of the regional jet,

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was paying attention,

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01:06:55,804 --> 01:06:58,045
which is pretty hard not to do when

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you're let's say you're sitting in the right

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01:07:00,125 --> 01:07:01,744
seat and you watch this guy,

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01:07:02,364 --> 01:07:03,885
out of the right window and you go,

1876
01:07:03,885 --> 01:07:04,625
man, he's

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he's pretty close because these are not,

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parallels that are terribly,

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far apart.

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And and then you look and you say,

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I think that guy's turning into us. And

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so the the RJ crew was able to,

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01:07:18,969 --> 01:07:20,349
to maneuver around

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01:07:20,889 --> 01:07:23,684
the, the seven thirty seven, and they said

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01:07:23,684 --> 01:07:26,164
something to the tower like, oh, we're we're

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01:07:26,164 --> 01:07:28,965
just maneuvering around this traffic out here, tower.

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And,

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then then the controllers,

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01:07:31,525 --> 01:07:33,704
got into it and basically said, you know,

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what the fuck are you doing?

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01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,239
To the guy off the right runway. And,

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I didn't hear the end of it, but,

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I'm sure that,

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01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,239
that Max, don't you think that would count

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01:07:45,239 --> 01:07:47,180
as a, a pilot deviation?

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01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,719
Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah. Not only do

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01:07:49,719 --> 01:07:52,219
they have parallel runways, they're parallel intersecting,

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and they intersect right in the middle, kind

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of like, across.

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And so I got to spend some time

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up in the tower one day. And what

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they do, as it explained to me, is

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they put people landing on the two eights

1904
01:08:05,914 --> 01:08:06,635
left and right,

1905
01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:09,269
as close to each other as they can

1906
01:08:09,489 --> 01:08:11,409
because they'd like those two aircraft to land

1907
01:08:11,409 --> 01:08:12,869
at about the same time.

1908
01:08:13,170 --> 01:08:15,730
And then once both those two aircraft clear

1909
01:08:15,730 --> 01:08:16,469
the intersection,

1910
01:08:17,329 --> 01:08:19,810
then they clear the, the two aircraft from

1911
01:08:19,810 --> 01:08:22,210
runaways, one in left one left and one

1912
01:08:22,210 --> 01:08:23,145
right to take off.

1913
01:08:23,944 --> 01:08:27,164
And the instructions standard instructions are the aircraft,

1914
01:08:27,465 --> 01:08:29,465
taking off from one left is supposed to

1915
01:08:29,465 --> 01:08:31,305
turn 10 degrees left. The one from the

1916
01:08:31,305 --> 01:08:34,425
right turns 10 degrees right, and that's pretty

1917
01:08:34,425 --> 01:08:36,045
standard. It kinda makes sense,

1918
01:08:36,505 --> 01:08:38,364
but obviously, in this particular case,

1919
01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:41,760
the United aircraft got it wrong, and this

1920
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,880
story says they came within about 2,000 feet

1921
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,399
laterally, which is not very much, and 275

1922
01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:49,300
feet vertically.

1923
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,520
So, yeah, a little bit of a close

1924
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,135
call. Alright. And I guess the the FAA

1925
01:08:54,135 --> 01:08:55,435
is investigating this,

1926
01:08:56,055 --> 01:08:59,015
currently, so we'll we'll watch for the outcome

1927
01:08:59,015 --> 01:08:59,675
of that.

1928
01:09:01,175 --> 01:09:02,635
Alright. One last news story.

1929
01:09:03,975 --> 01:09:05,895
I read the headline. I thought, what is

1930
01:09:05,895 --> 01:09:07,755
this from? The Onion or

1931
01:09:08,110 --> 01:09:09,970
or something like that? But,

1932
01:09:10,430 --> 01:09:11,890
Micah, this is not a joke.

1933
01:09:12,190 --> 01:09:14,110
This is one of the saddest and funniest

1934
01:09:14,110 --> 01:09:16,530
stories I have read in a long time.

1935
01:09:17,470 --> 01:09:18,210
State representative,

1936
01:09:19,150 --> 01:09:21,949
Kimberly Landry Coates, who was a Republican from

1937
01:09:21,949 --> 01:09:22,449
Ponchatoula,

1938
01:09:22,829 --> 01:09:23,329
Louisiana,

1939
01:09:24,164 --> 01:09:26,344
defended state bill 46

1940
01:09:26,564 --> 01:09:28,724
on the house floor. The bill is to

1941
01:09:28,724 --> 01:09:31,604
prevent any chemicals above us in the air

1942
01:09:31,604 --> 01:09:34,724
specifically to modify the weather. The she's trying

1943
01:09:34,724 --> 01:09:37,770
to prevent when she's called them chemtrails.

1944
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:39,210
Not contrails.

1945
01:09:39,750 --> 01:09:40,570
Not contrails.

1946
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:41,610
Chemtrails.

1947
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:45,270
And it's this crazy conspiracy theory, and she

1948
01:09:45,270 --> 01:09:47,510
was questioned on the house floor by by

1949
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:51,155
other state reps asked about these chemicals and

1950
01:09:51,215 --> 01:09:53,295
what nanoparticles are there. She said, oh, there's

1951
01:09:53,295 --> 01:09:55,614
aluminum and there's barium, and there's a few

1952
01:09:55,614 --> 01:09:57,635
with some long words that I can't pronounce.

1953
01:09:57,935 --> 01:10:00,414
And she claimed that the national that that

1954
01:10:00,414 --> 01:10:03,774
NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is

1955
01:10:03,774 --> 01:10:06,390
sending chemicals into the clouds to cool the

1956
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:08,550
sun, let's cool things down and cool the

1957
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:11,210
Earth's surface and prevent sunlight from striking. And

1958
01:10:11,670 --> 01:10:13,350
it goes on and on and on. And

1959
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:15,670
it just gets funnier and funnier as you

1960
01:10:15,670 --> 01:10:17,689
read it. And, again, it's this

1961
01:10:18,284 --> 01:10:19,104
this silly

1962
01:10:19,725 --> 01:10:20,545
anti science,

1963
01:10:21,404 --> 01:10:23,505
ridiculousness that is taking place

1964
01:10:24,204 --> 01:10:25,265
throughout the land.

1965
01:10:25,885 --> 01:10:27,804
It is kind of it is kinda nuts.

1966
01:10:27,804 --> 01:10:29,904
We'll put a link to the the actual,

1967
01:10:30,204 --> 01:10:32,300
text of the bill, at least as, as

1968
01:10:32,300 --> 01:10:33,520
it stands right now.

1969
01:10:33,980 --> 01:10:35,420
I'll put the link in the show notes.

1970
01:10:35,420 --> 01:10:37,739
It's very it's very short. Yeah. But what's

1971
01:10:37,739 --> 01:10:39,659
what's interesting about it too is that I

1972
01:10:39,659 --> 01:10:42,140
don't believe the states have any control over

1973
01:10:42,140 --> 01:10:44,300
the airspace Well, that's yeah. Over the land.

1974
01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:46,380
You know? The the states can't do anything

1975
01:10:46,380 --> 01:10:49,585
about that. That's federal documentation federal regulation. Yeah.

1976
01:10:49,585 --> 01:10:51,744
Yeah. It didn't seem like they, they have

1977
01:10:51,744 --> 01:10:52,244
jurisdiction.

1978
01:10:53,185 --> 01:10:55,445
The bill as written does make some exclusions.

1979
01:10:55,664 --> 01:10:56,885
It includes some exclusions

1980
01:10:57,265 --> 01:10:57,765
for,

1981
01:10:58,225 --> 01:10:59,524
for fire suppression

1982
01:11:00,529 --> 01:11:01,989
and for agricultural

1983
01:11:02,449 --> 01:11:03,510
or forestry

1984
01:11:03,810 --> 01:11:04,310
applications

1985
01:11:04,930 --> 01:11:06,149
under thousand feet.

1986
01:11:06,850 --> 01:11:09,270
Also, presently, the bill doesn't,

1987
01:11:10,050 --> 01:11:12,149
have any penalties for violation.

1988
01:11:12,689 --> 01:11:14,550
It does require the

1989
01:11:15,564 --> 01:11:16,064
establishment

1990
01:11:16,444 --> 01:11:19,345
of a reporting feature so that

1991
01:11:19,725 --> 01:11:21,505
concerned citizens and

1992
01:11:21,965 --> 01:11:23,104
those who like conspiracy

1993
01:11:23,405 --> 01:11:23,905
theories

1994
01:11:24,364 --> 01:11:25,265
can submit

1995
01:11:25,965 --> 01:11:29,104
their their claims that this is taking place.

1996
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,659
And I think the way that's being justified

1997
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,439
now is that they they don't wanna put

1998
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,760
any penalties into law yet. They they really

1999
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,100
wanna just collect data first,

2000
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:41,239
you know, before they take that kind of

2001
01:11:41,239 --> 01:11:41,979
next step,

2002
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:43,020
which is

2003
01:11:43,854 --> 01:11:46,895
extremely ironic because that's sort of a, you

2004
01:11:46,895 --> 01:11:49,954
know, a scientific approach to something that's incredibly

2005
01:11:50,574 --> 01:11:51,074
unscientific

2006
01:11:51,454 --> 01:11:53,854
to begin with. Yeah. And I wanna sponsor

2007
01:11:53,854 --> 01:11:55,055
a bill, by the way, the state of

2008
01:11:55,055 --> 01:11:57,539
Maine to prevent, witches on brooms from flying

2009
01:11:57,539 --> 01:11:59,300
over the state. I think that that that

2010
01:11:59,300 --> 01:12:01,479
should be outlawed as well. Of course.

2011
01:12:09,539 --> 01:12:10,920
What's up with the geeks?

2012
01:12:11,465 --> 01:12:13,304
This is a programming note or technical note.

2013
01:12:13,304 --> 01:12:14,684
Maybe it's a technical note.

2014
01:12:14,984 --> 01:12:16,125
So we've migrated

2015
01:12:16,505 --> 01:12:17,965
our media hosting.

2016
01:12:18,585 --> 01:12:20,344
We had been on Libsyn, but we're on

2017
01:12:20,344 --> 01:12:23,224
Blueberry now. What that means is that's where

2018
01:12:23,224 --> 01:12:25,144
the m p threes are when you listen

2019
01:12:25,144 --> 01:12:27,039
to this podcast. And when you go to

2020
01:12:27,039 --> 01:12:29,840
our website, if you click on the, podcast

2021
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,320
player, that's that's where they come from if

2022
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,199
you listen on on the website. So the

2023
01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:37,039
the new player has a lot of a

2024
01:12:37,039 --> 01:12:39,119
lot of additional features that weren't there in

2025
01:12:39,119 --> 01:12:40,420
the past, but

2026
01:12:41,494 --> 01:12:42,715
there is some kind of a

2027
01:12:43,574 --> 01:12:45,895
a bug with a download button that's built

2028
01:12:45,895 --> 01:12:46,954
into the player.

2029
01:12:47,414 --> 01:12:50,215
It works on some browsers, but not on

2030
01:12:50,215 --> 01:12:53,414
others. So in the meantime, before before that

2031
01:12:53,414 --> 01:12:54,875
gets figured out by the

2032
01:12:55,869 --> 01:12:59,729
technical support crew, we've reinstated a separate download

2033
01:12:59,789 --> 01:13:02,930
link underneath the player in the website.

2034
01:13:03,869 --> 01:13:05,949
And Robert pointed the problem out to us,

2035
01:13:05,949 --> 01:13:08,770
so we we thank him for that.

2036
01:13:09,229 --> 01:13:10,130
But if you,

2037
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:14,055
any anything else that's seemingly odd, well,

2038
01:13:14,595 --> 01:13:16,695
besides the host, that you've

2039
01:13:17,155 --> 01:13:20,195
been encountering lately, let us know. Let's see

2040
01:13:20,195 --> 01:13:20,854
if it's

2041
01:13:21,555 --> 01:13:23,814
associated with this change, but it it

2042
01:13:24,195 --> 01:13:25,795
we should be good to go other than

2043
01:13:25,795 --> 01:13:26,695
that one problem.

2044
01:13:28,829 --> 01:13:30,530
And let's see. Max Trescott,

2045
01:13:31,470 --> 01:13:34,270
the, the podcast network is,

2046
01:13:34,670 --> 01:13:36,289
is is growing, I guess.

2047
01:13:36,989 --> 01:13:38,590
Yeah. It is it is indeed. I mentioned,

2048
01:13:38,829 --> 01:13:41,664
last week that we had, two new shows,

2049
01:13:41,664 --> 01:13:43,664
and there's another one which we have just

2050
01:13:43,664 --> 01:13:45,104
brought into the fold. One that I've been

2051
01:13:45,104 --> 01:13:46,005
working on for,

2052
01:13:46,385 --> 01:13:48,945
oh, probably a year, and that is the

2053
01:13:48,945 --> 01:13:51,125
Rotary Wing Show, which is a helicopter

2054
01:13:51,664 --> 01:13:54,324
podcast that's been around for over ten years,

2055
01:13:54,850 --> 01:13:57,029
and that went on hiatus for about a

2056
01:13:57,170 --> 01:13:58,770
a little over a year. It's out of,

2057
01:13:59,010 --> 01:13:59,510
Australia,

2058
01:14:00,050 --> 01:14:01,729
and I used to listen to it when

2059
01:14:01,729 --> 01:14:04,529
I was driving to, the thirty minutes or

2060
01:14:04,529 --> 01:14:07,090
so to, take my helicopter lessons, and I

2061
01:14:07,090 --> 01:14:08,625
really liked it a lot. It was the

2062
01:14:08,704 --> 01:14:10,404
the best of the helicopter shows.

2063
01:14:10,784 --> 01:14:13,265
And so the host, Mick Cullen, has decided

2064
01:14:13,265 --> 01:14:15,824
to go ahead and, pass the baton. So

2065
01:14:15,824 --> 01:14:18,465
we've done a transition episode that I'll post

2066
01:14:18,465 --> 01:14:18,944
here,

2067
01:14:19,265 --> 01:14:21,104
sometime in the next few days, and then

2068
01:14:21,104 --> 01:14:22,885
I've already got some other episodes

2069
01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:25,539
ready to go for it. So we now

2070
01:14:25,539 --> 01:14:26,440
have a helicopter

2071
01:14:26,900 --> 01:14:28,979
podcast as part of the fold, and we

2072
01:14:28,979 --> 01:14:31,380
finally have a network name. Spent a lot

2073
01:14:31,380 --> 01:14:32,900
of back and forth, a lot of time

2074
01:14:32,900 --> 01:14:34,979
trying to figure out exactly what the name

2075
01:14:34,979 --> 01:14:37,005
of the network was going to be, but

2076
01:14:37,005 --> 01:14:39,645
it is the Aviation New Stock Network. So

2077
01:14:39,645 --> 01:14:42,204
that's gonna be the umbrella for what our

2078
01:14:42,204 --> 01:14:44,204
four different shows that we, currently have in

2079
01:14:44,204 --> 01:14:44,864
the network.

2080
01:14:45,244 --> 01:14:46,844
Well, this is pretty cool. I was wondering

2081
01:14:46,844 --> 01:14:48,925
what you were gonna call the network, give

2082
01:14:48,925 --> 01:14:50,125
it a name for the, you know, the

2083
01:14:50,125 --> 01:14:51,585
entire collection. So

2084
01:14:52,039 --> 01:14:53,979
that's great. So is there a

2085
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,819
web address yet for for the network?

2086
01:14:58,359 --> 01:15:00,439
There is a site, but I have not

2087
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,680
associated the name with it. But it soon,

2088
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,520
you will be able to reach it through

2089
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,524
aviationnewstalknetwork.com.

2090
01:15:06,765 --> 01:15:08,604
Okay. And from there, you'd be able to

2091
01:15:08,604 --> 01:15:09,104
go

2092
01:15:09,564 --> 01:15:10,385
to each of

2093
01:15:10,685 --> 01:15:11,265
the component

2094
01:15:11,885 --> 01:15:12,385
podcasts.

2095
01:15:12,765 --> 01:15:14,685
Exactly. Each of the different shows under the

2096
01:15:14,685 --> 01:15:15,984
umbrella. Yeah. Terrific.

2097
01:15:16,364 --> 01:15:17,564
I love it. I love it a lot.

2098
01:15:17,645 --> 01:15:19,324
Been fun putting it together. Yeah. Oh, it's

2099
01:15:19,324 --> 01:15:21,085
been it's probably been a it's kind of

2100
01:15:21,085 --> 01:15:22,145
a trivial task.

2101
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:23,420
Yes.

2102
01:15:24,279 --> 01:15:25,880
I've only took an hour or so. Yeah.

2103
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:27,100
Right. Right. Right.

2104
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,880
Months and months and months. Yes. Lots of

2105
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:30,939
work. That's great.

2106
01:15:31,399 --> 01:15:33,180
Alright, Rob. How about you? Anything,

2107
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:35,020
anything newsworthy

2108
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:36,140
from

2109
01:15:36,494 --> 01:15:38,675
your little, corner of the globe?

2110
01:15:39,854 --> 01:15:42,814
You're muted, Rob. Saying anything good because I'm

2111
01:15:42,814 --> 01:15:45,534
muted. So now that I'm not muted, now

2112
01:15:45,534 --> 01:15:48,014
I'm gonna repeat all of the brilliant things

2113
01:15:48,014 --> 01:15:50,189
I just said. Can can you do it

2114
01:15:50,189 --> 01:15:52,689
twice? That's good. Sure. Oh, absolutely.

2115
01:15:53,069 --> 01:15:55,810
Because I am, of course, brilliant. I mean,

2116
01:15:56,029 --> 01:15:57,949
I can't spell it, but I can I

2117
01:15:57,949 --> 01:15:59,090
can do it?

2118
01:15:59,949 --> 01:16:02,189
Anyway, so, had a had a good,

2119
01:16:02,829 --> 01:16:03,710
time, on,

2120
01:16:04,784 --> 01:16:07,045
last week on Friday. I met a listener,

2121
01:16:07,744 --> 01:16:10,784
who, happens to be, Rob Miller over at

2122
01:16:10,784 --> 01:16:11,284
Pawelawky,

2123
01:16:12,064 --> 01:16:14,965
or Chicago Executive as you may call it.

2124
01:16:15,104 --> 01:16:16,145
And, he runs,

2125
01:16:16,625 --> 01:16:18,645
the pilot proficiency company,

2126
01:16:19,069 --> 01:16:20,130
that has a,

2127
01:16:20,750 --> 01:16:21,810
it has a Frasca

2128
01:16:22,270 --> 01:16:24,930
simulator that, people can use

2129
01:16:25,710 --> 01:16:28,189
to get out there and and, learn how

2130
01:16:28,189 --> 01:16:30,289
to fly a little bit better in instrument

2131
01:16:30,430 --> 01:16:30,930
conditions.

2132
01:16:31,550 --> 01:16:32,050
And,

2133
01:16:32,585 --> 01:16:35,164
so I was inquiring about it

2134
01:16:35,545 --> 01:16:35,704
and,

2135
01:16:36,505 --> 01:16:37,304
he asked me,

2136
01:16:38,024 --> 01:16:39,885
oh, I said something like, well, you know,

2137
01:16:39,944 --> 01:16:42,425
I'm an instructor. And he said, oh yeah,

2138
01:16:42,425 --> 01:16:43,484
I know. And

2139
01:16:44,505 --> 01:16:45,085
I thought,

2140
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:47,219
how do you how do you know that?

2141
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:48,739
I I just met you

2142
01:16:49,039 --> 01:16:49,779
five minutes

2143
01:16:50,159 --> 01:16:51,920
ago. He said, well, I I listened to

2144
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,139
the show. I said, you what?

2145
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,494
Airplane Geeks. He's, I've been listening to it

2146
01:16:59,494 --> 01:17:02,155
for years. He said, I recognized your voice

2147
01:17:02,295 --> 01:17:03,975
as soon as you you you and I

2148
01:17:03,975 --> 01:17:05,595
were on the phone. And I thought,

2149
01:17:06,454 --> 01:17:06,954
oh,

2150
01:17:07,414 --> 01:17:09,574
and how long have you been listening? And

2151
01:17:09,574 --> 01:17:10,875
he said, I don't know.

2152
01:17:11,175 --> 01:17:13,015
Years or something. And I said, oh my

2153
01:17:13,015 --> 01:17:15,429
god. I'm sorry. We we have an antidote

2154
01:17:15,489 --> 01:17:18,369
for that. We're we'll we'll send you, something.

2155
01:17:18,369 --> 01:17:19,969
You pop it into your coffee in the

2156
01:17:19,969 --> 01:17:22,469
morning, and and you'll be completely cured,

2157
01:17:23,010 --> 01:17:25,329
of airplane geeks. No. Actually but it was

2158
01:17:25,329 --> 01:17:26,469
really nice to,

2159
01:17:27,010 --> 01:17:29,534
to meet somebody that was a listener. And,

2160
01:17:29,534 --> 01:17:30,835
of course, he also

2161
01:17:31,534 --> 01:17:32,335
listens to,

2162
01:17:33,295 --> 01:17:34,594
Max on the

2163
01:17:35,054 --> 01:17:35,554
Aviation

2164
01:17:36,094 --> 01:17:36,835
News Talk,

2165
01:17:37,295 --> 01:17:37,795
network.

2166
01:17:38,414 --> 01:17:40,255
And, it was it was just nice to

2167
01:17:40,255 --> 01:17:40,755
hear

2168
01:17:41,215 --> 01:17:42,994
a a local person that's actually

2169
01:17:43,534 --> 01:17:44,520
a fan. And,

2170
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:45,960
so,

2171
01:17:46,359 --> 01:17:48,679
so, again, hi to Rob Miller out there

2172
01:17:48,679 --> 01:17:48,840
at,

2173
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,279
Pawaukee, and, go find him in the 1098

2174
01:17:52,279 --> 01:17:54,679
Building. If you're around Pawaukee, you know where

2175
01:17:54,679 --> 01:17:56,619
that is, and that's where pilot

2176
01:17:57,079 --> 01:17:59,099
proficiency hides out. Terrific.

2177
01:18:00,114 --> 01:18:01,475
Micah, what are some of the,

2178
01:18:01,954 --> 01:18:05,074
highlights of, your It's been a busy two

2179
01:18:05,074 --> 01:18:07,475
weeks. And, first of all, you may remember

2180
01:18:07,475 --> 01:18:09,395
two weeks ago that I was talking about

2181
01:18:09,395 --> 01:18:11,460
some friends that got stuck with a

2182
01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:14,100
canceled flight with Breeze Airlines. And I just

2183
01:18:14,100 --> 01:18:15,719
want to say that Breeze Airways

2184
01:18:16,020 --> 01:18:18,899
came through beautifully. They took care of them

2185
01:18:18,899 --> 01:18:19,399
perfectly,

2186
01:18:20,500 --> 01:18:22,279
took care of their hotels and incidentals,

2187
01:18:22,579 --> 01:18:24,524
got them on another flight, ended up it

2188
01:18:24,524 --> 01:18:27,005
was a different aircraft based on maintenance, refunded

2189
01:18:27,005 --> 01:18:29,164
them. My friends flew on the different aircraft,

2190
01:18:29,164 --> 01:18:31,005
had a wonderful time. So the service was

2191
01:18:31,005 --> 01:18:33,484
fabulous and just want to give Breeze the

2192
01:18:33,484 --> 01:18:35,804
bonus points that they deserve. Because while any

2193
01:18:35,804 --> 01:18:38,304
airline can have a problem, not every airline

2194
01:18:38,369 --> 01:18:40,289
solves it with grace and beauty like Breeze

2195
01:18:40,289 --> 01:18:42,210
did. So need to shout out to them

2196
01:18:42,210 --> 01:18:44,710
and thank them for everything. Yeah. But then

2197
01:18:44,930 --> 01:18:46,070
more things happened.

2198
01:18:46,610 --> 01:18:48,530
Steven Ivy, who has been a hasn't been

2199
01:18:48,530 --> 01:18:49,649
a guest on the show, but I think

2200
01:18:49,649 --> 01:18:50,930
we may have an interview with him or

2201
01:18:50,930 --> 01:18:53,010
so he flies for a fractional ownership company.

2202
01:18:53,010 --> 01:18:55,164
And he just moved up from the the

2203
01:18:55,164 --> 01:18:57,725
Embraer Phenom to the chat global five three

2204
01:18:57,725 --> 01:18:59,505
hundred challenge global three hundred.

2205
01:18:59,965 --> 01:19:01,885
He showed up on Saturday, out of the

2206
01:19:01,885 --> 01:19:03,324
blue, thought he was just gonna be here

2207
01:19:03,324 --> 01:19:05,324
for lunch was for a couple hours, ended

2208
01:19:05,324 --> 01:19:06,845
up spending a night, we went out for

2209
01:19:06,845 --> 01:19:08,590
lunch, we went out for dinner. And then

2210
01:19:08,590 --> 01:19:10,449
he had a deadhead flight to Norfolk.

2211
01:19:10,909 --> 01:19:13,229
And he said, you wanna come along? And

2212
01:19:13,229 --> 01:19:15,390
I said, yes. Let me call my brother.

2213
01:19:15,390 --> 01:19:17,310
He lives in Richmond. He'll come right down

2214
01:19:17,310 --> 01:19:18,670
and pick me up. I'll you'll drop me

2215
01:19:18,670 --> 01:19:20,590
off there. We'll have lunch. Well, with my

2216
01:19:20,590 --> 01:19:22,189
brother, we'll go to some museums, and I'll

2217
01:19:22,189 --> 01:19:24,345
fly back on Breeze at night because Breeze

2218
01:19:24,345 --> 01:19:27,465
just started seasonal service nonstop from Norfolk to

2219
01:19:27,465 --> 01:19:29,725
Portland for this season yesterday.

2220
01:19:30,025 --> 01:19:32,025
I had it all set up. I called

2221
01:19:32,025 --> 01:19:33,864
my brother, didn't make the reservation on Breeze

2222
01:19:33,864 --> 01:19:36,185
yet, called my brother, and my brother turned

2223
01:19:36,185 --> 01:19:37,244
into my grandfather.

2224
01:19:37,625 --> 01:19:39,164
And my brother said,

2225
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:41,600
it's gonna be Sunday night coming back from

2226
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,199
Norfolk through the tunnel with all the beach

2227
01:19:43,199 --> 01:19:44,640
traffic. I'm gonna be stuck in a tunnel

2228
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,079
for an hour and a half. I'm not

2229
01:19:46,079 --> 01:19:47,840
coming down to get you. No. Absa

2230
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,780
Ah. So I didn't go. It was just

2231
01:19:52,545 --> 01:19:54,645
it was so upsetting and missed opportunity.

2232
01:19:55,265 --> 01:19:56,944
Can't fault my brother. He's been so good

2233
01:19:56,944 --> 01:19:58,784
to me helping me with with my surgeries

2234
01:19:58,784 --> 01:20:00,784
and stuff, but I just couldn't believe it.

2235
01:20:00,784 --> 01:20:02,465
All of a sudden, he was Grandpa Sam

2236
01:20:02,465 --> 01:20:04,305
saying, grandma, we got to get going. We're

2237
01:20:04,305 --> 01:20:06,404
going to hit all the traffic. Yeah. So

2238
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:07,699
and then,

2239
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,800
this week, journey is reward episode one zero

2240
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,199
seven was released, and, we talked about Brian's

2241
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:15,840
stealth trip to New Jersey to celebrate mother's

2242
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:19,060
day and his mama Coleman's ninetieth birthday.

2243
01:20:20,025 --> 01:20:22,345
And, chef Cathy and mama Coleman both make

2244
01:20:22,345 --> 01:20:24,104
an appearance on the show, and he had

2245
01:20:24,104 --> 01:20:26,744
a lot of fun. Yeah. Great. I I

2246
01:20:26,744 --> 01:20:28,765
like the, imitation of your brother.

2247
01:20:29,385 --> 01:20:31,145
Make sure that he hears that. Yeah. That's

2248
01:20:31,145 --> 01:20:33,465
pretty good. I'm sure he'll listen. We'll decide,

2249
01:20:33,465 --> 01:20:33,965
though.

2250
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:38,149
So Sperwink Farm, the pancake breakfast and fly

2251
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:38,949
in is,

2252
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:41,449
well, is is coming up quickly.

2253
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:45,189
July 13 this year, they wanted to take

2254
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:47,190
normally, it's a Sunday after the July 4,

2255
01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:48,869
but being that's only two days away, they

2256
01:20:48,869 --> 01:20:50,295
wanted to give it another week. And,

2257
01:20:51,175 --> 01:20:53,414
so, yep, July 13, they wanted to give

2258
01:20:53,414 --> 01:20:55,574
it that extra week and, gonna be a

2259
01:20:55,574 --> 01:20:57,895
lot of fun. Great airplanes, great people. You've

2260
01:20:57,895 --> 01:20:59,735
heard us talk about it for years. And,

2261
01:20:59,735 --> 01:21:01,255
Max, I think you and Linda ought to

2262
01:21:01,255 --> 01:21:02,614
plan on coming up here. We'll get you

2263
01:21:02,614 --> 01:21:04,775
your usual parking place. We will try to

2264
01:21:04,775 --> 01:21:07,590
make it. Yeah. So if, if you haven't

2265
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:09,429
heard us talk about it, this is a

2266
01:21:09,429 --> 01:21:09,829
great,

2267
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:12,630
a great event. It's short. It's just part

2268
01:21:12,630 --> 01:21:16,090
of one day. Up in Maine, beautiful location.

2269
01:21:16,949 --> 01:21:19,590
Lot of folks fly in. All different kinds

2270
01:21:19,590 --> 01:21:20,250
of aircraft.

2271
01:21:21,125 --> 01:21:23,944
Quite a number of, Airplane Geeks listeners are,

2272
01:21:24,645 --> 01:21:27,864
usually in attendance or have flown in themselves.

2273
01:21:28,484 --> 01:21:30,965
And, of course, you can't beat the the

2274
01:21:30,965 --> 01:21:34,484
blueberry pancakes and maple syrup that you that

2275
01:21:34,484 --> 01:21:36,449
you can have for breakfast. It's all sponsored

2276
01:21:36,449 --> 01:21:38,609
by EAA chapter one forty one. It's a

2277
01:21:38,609 --> 01:21:41,829
big annual fundraiser. It's a terrific event. And

2278
01:21:41,890 --> 01:21:43,649
and and Max t, I'm pretty sure you

2279
01:21:43,649 --> 01:21:44,930
could get your Cirrus in. I don't know

2280
01:21:44,930 --> 01:21:46,449
if you'd get it out again, but I'm

2281
01:21:46,449 --> 01:21:47,810
pretty sure you could get the Vision Jet

2282
01:21:47,810 --> 01:21:50,675
into that field. It wouldn't be mine, but,

2283
01:21:51,234 --> 01:21:53,255
I'm always happy to fly with other people.

2284
01:21:53,395 --> 01:21:55,635
So the next item in the, show plan

2285
01:21:55,635 --> 01:21:57,715
here, I'm glad you put it in. I'm

2286
01:21:57,715 --> 01:21:59,314
not sure who Micah, did you put this

2287
01:21:59,314 --> 01:22:00,454
in? I was watching,

2288
01:22:01,314 --> 01:22:02,295
YouTube videos

2289
01:22:04,110 --> 01:22:06,110
maybe it was even this morning or at

2290
01:22:06,110 --> 01:22:08,289
least maybe yesterday. I'm not sure.

2291
01:22:08,670 --> 01:22:09,170
And

2292
01:22:09,470 --> 01:22:12,510
there was one that was great, and it

2293
01:22:12,510 --> 01:22:14,210
was all about air traffic control.

2294
01:22:15,150 --> 01:22:18,125
John Oliver from last week tonight on HBO

2295
01:22:18,505 --> 01:22:19,804
or HBO Max,

2296
01:22:20,264 --> 01:22:22,844
did a whole show about ATC

2297
01:22:23,224 --> 01:22:25,465
and all the issues going on. And he

2298
01:22:25,465 --> 01:22:27,944
does it with this humor that David described

2299
01:22:27,944 --> 01:22:29,404
when he attended the show

2300
01:22:29,784 --> 01:22:32,149
a couple of weeks ago. And but he

2301
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:33,850
covered this just beautifully,

2302
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:36,969
and then came up with a beautiful hysterical

2303
01:22:37,510 --> 01:22:38,010
advertisement

2304
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:39,829
on why you should be an air traffic

2305
01:22:39,829 --> 01:22:42,170
controller. And it's just

2306
01:22:42,789 --> 01:22:45,175
absolutely amazing. And if you haven't seen it,

2307
01:22:45,175 --> 01:22:46,935
you gotta find it on YouTube or watch

2308
01:22:46,935 --> 01:22:48,854
the whole show on HBO because he does

2309
01:22:48,854 --> 01:22:51,095
cover it from a news perspective very, very

2310
01:22:51,095 --> 01:22:53,574
well, explaining all the issues that we talked

2311
01:22:53,574 --> 01:22:55,655
about for hours and hours and hours, but

2312
01:22:55,655 --> 01:22:57,574
he does it in twenty minutes and does

2313
01:22:57,574 --> 01:22:59,515
it perfectly. With a lot more humor.

2314
01:23:00,030 --> 01:23:02,550
Absolutely don't miss it. It's very good. And,

2315
01:23:02,989 --> 01:23:04,989
as I mentioned to Linda, it's like, I

2316
01:23:04,989 --> 01:23:07,310
think John Oliver's been listening to our podcast

2317
01:23:07,310 --> 01:23:09,409
for the last three or four or five

2318
01:23:09,470 --> 01:23:11,869
months because all the stuff that we've talked

2319
01:23:11,869 --> 01:23:13,949
about, all the stuff that Rob has all,

2320
01:23:13,949 --> 01:23:15,649
you know, the points that he's made,

2321
01:23:16,244 --> 01:23:18,324
they're they're right in there. So, yeah, it's

2322
01:23:18,324 --> 01:23:19,864
worth listening to for sure.

2323
01:23:20,405 --> 01:23:21,864
Alright. Some listener mail.

2324
01:23:22,805 --> 01:23:25,604
Let's see. We heard from, Dustin. He sent

2325
01:23:25,604 --> 01:23:27,765
us some feedback. It was, it was all

2326
01:23:27,765 --> 01:23:30,980
critical feed, feedback, but but heartfelt.

2327
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,560
But he's, he's also become a supporter of

2328
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,840
this podcast with a monthly recurring donation, which

2329
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,880
we greatly appreciate. If you'd like to to

2330
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,600
do the same, just go to airplanegeeks.com,

2331
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,795
our our home page, and there's a button

2332
01:23:46,255 --> 01:23:48,335
or a link you can click up at

2333
01:23:48,335 --> 01:23:49,295
the top to make,

2334
01:23:49,935 --> 01:23:50,835
to make donations.

2335
01:23:51,135 --> 01:23:51,635
But

2336
01:23:52,095 --> 01:23:54,975
most importantly, he tells us that Angelo State

2337
01:23:54,975 --> 01:23:57,234
University, which is a public university

2338
01:23:57,889 --> 01:23:58,289
in,

2339
01:23:58,689 --> 01:24:00,149
San Angelo, Texas,

2340
01:24:00,770 --> 01:24:02,869
has launched a flight school

2341
01:24:03,489 --> 01:24:05,029
and an aviation

2342
01:24:05,649 --> 01:24:06,869
bachelor's program.

2343
01:24:07,649 --> 01:24:08,630
This is a,

2344
01:24:09,409 --> 01:24:11,349
commercial aviation undergraduate

2345
01:24:11,649 --> 01:24:13,270
degree, a bachelor of commercial

2346
01:24:13,625 --> 01:24:14,125
aviation.

2347
01:24:14,824 --> 01:24:18,045
As Dustin said, he's, they've grown this program

2348
01:24:18,345 --> 01:24:20,104
just really quickly in a few in a

2349
01:24:20,104 --> 01:24:22,265
few years, and we'll have a link to

2350
01:24:22,265 --> 01:24:23,564
that program in the

2351
01:24:23,864 --> 01:24:26,364
in the show notes. But the degree tracks

2352
01:24:26,505 --> 01:24:27,005
include

2353
01:24:27,460 --> 01:24:31,000
flight operations, fixed wing, flight operations, helicopter,

2354
01:24:31,699 --> 01:24:32,199
aviation

2355
01:24:32,579 --> 01:24:33,079
administration,

2356
01:24:33,859 --> 01:24:35,880
and air traffic operations.

2357
01:24:37,300 --> 01:24:38,199
Their partner,

2358
01:24:38,819 --> 01:24:39,319
is,

2359
01:24:39,859 --> 01:24:40,260
ASU

2360
01:24:40,819 --> 01:24:43,775
well, ASU's partner rather is Skyline Aviation.

2361
01:24:44,235 --> 01:24:46,574
That's the part one forty one flight school,

2362
01:24:47,354 --> 01:24:50,954
that's associated with, this university program. And they've

2363
01:24:50,954 --> 01:24:54,095
got the the aircraft, the simulators, instructional equipment.

2364
01:24:54,715 --> 01:24:56,975
Thanks to Dustin for passing that along.

2365
01:24:58,300 --> 01:25:01,760
Also, wanted to mention, we heard from Steve,

2366
01:25:01,900 --> 01:25:05,600
and he's working on a very interesting project.

2367
01:25:05,659 --> 01:25:07,360
He he says this is a comprehensive

2368
01:25:08,140 --> 01:25:08,640
aviation

2369
01:25:09,020 --> 01:25:09,520
mechanic

2370
01:25:09,965 --> 01:25:11,104
education site,

2371
01:25:11,564 --> 01:25:15,744
and it's at aviationmechanicschool.org.

2372
01:25:16,204 --> 01:25:17,324
And then we'll have that link in the

2373
01:25:17,324 --> 01:25:18,625
show notes as well.

2374
01:25:19,085 --> 01:25:21,324
And, this is an interesting project that I

2375
01:25:21,324 --> 01:25:23,345
think, has a lot of lot of possibilities

2376
01:25:23,564 --> 01:25:25,649
here, but it currently shows,

2377
01:25:26,510 --> 01:25:28,210
maintenance schools, aviation

2378
01:25:28,670 --> 01:25:29,729
maintenance schools

2379
01:25:30,189 --> 01:25:32,369
in Arizona, California, Florida,

2380
01:25:32,909 --> 01:25:34,289
Georgia, and Texas.

2381
01:25:34,750 --> 01:25:37,164
And then for each of the schools within

2382
01:25:37,164 --> 01:25:39,485
those states, it it shows where where they

2383
01:25:39,485 --> 01:25:42,145
are, their location, what the tuition is like,

2384
01:25:43,085 --> 01:25:44,385
the length of the program,

2385
01:25:45,085 --> 01:25:46,524
some of the features that,

2386
01:25:46,925 --> 01:25:48,925
that they offer, and, of course, the the

2387
01:25:48,925 --> 01:25:49,425
websites.

2388
01:25:49,885 --> 01:25:51,425
And then he also has a

2389
01:25:51,780 --> 01:25:54,180
a page, things to consider when choosing a

2390
01:25:54,180 --> 01:25:57,960
school, that offers some some interesting tips. So

2391
01:25:58,420 --> 01:26:00,280
if you wanna explore possibilities

2392
01:26:01,380 --> 01:26:05,000
with, regards to being an aviation mechanic,

2393
01:26:05,699 --> 01:26:10,635
be sure to check this out. It's aviationmechanicschool.org.

2394
01:26:12,854 --> 01:26:13,354
And

2395
01:26:14,135 --> 01:26:16,935
Patrick Wiggins sent us an email. I wish

2396
01:26:16,935 --> 01:26:19,015
David was here. He said This is so

2397
01:26:19,015 --> 01:26:21,175
cool. It is cool. He says, oh, to

2398
01:26:21,175 --> 01:26:22,954
see these birds fly again.

2399
01:26:24,270 --> 01:26:26,510
He says, silly maybe, but I really miss

2400
01:26:26,510 --> 01:26:29,010
them. So there's an article. It's an interesting

2401
01:26:29,469 --> 01:26:29,969
engineering

2402
01:26:30,270 --> 01:26:30,929
dot com.

2403
01:26:31,310 --> 01:26:32,770
Cold War era

2404
01:26:33,229 --> 01:26:36,929
fighter jets f four Phantoms could launch satellites

2405
01:26:37,414 --> 01:26:38,555
for US firm.

2406
01:26:39,574 --> 01:26:40,395
Say what?

2407
01:26:40,774 --> 01:26:44,215
F four Phantoms launching satellites. Well, there's a

2408
01:26:44,215 --> 01:26:45,675
company. It's called Starfighters

2409
01:26:46,055 --> 01:26:46,555
International

2410
01:26:47,255 --> 01:26:49,594
because they have f one zero four Starfighters.

2411
01:26:50,579 --> 01:26:53,000
And they use them for suborbital

2412
01:26:53,539 --> 01:26:54,760
payload launches.

2413
01:26:55,699 --> 01:26:56,199
And

2414
01:26:56,899 --> 01:26:58,420
I think what they do is is they

2415
01:26:58,420 --> 01:27:00,279
strap the payload to the thing,

2416
01:27:01,139 --> 01:27:03,939
shoot the, Starliner up there at a high

2417
01:27:03,939 --> 01:27:04,439
altitude,

2418
01:27:04,899 --> 01:27:05,560
and then

2419
01:27:06,284 --> 01:27:08,545
launch the the payload from there.

2420
01:27:08,925 --> 01:27:09,425
Well,

2421
01:27:09,805 --> 01:27:12,625
the Starfighter is great at high speed

2422
01:27:13,005 --> 01:27:14,305
stratospheric climbs,

2423
01:27:15,244 --> 01:27:17,345
but, the article says it has limitations.

2424
01:27:17,805 --> 01:27:19,664
And for larger payloads,

2425
01:27:20,239 --> 01:27:23,039
that are gonna take some significant thrust on

2426
01:27:23,039 --> 01:27:24,899
their way to low earth orbit,

2427
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:26,819
the f four Phantom

2428
01:27:27,199 --> 01:27:31,060
might be an effective answer. So this company,

2429
01:27:31,119 --> 01:27:33,539
Starfighters International, plans to acquire

2430
01:27:34,345 --> 01:27:34,845
some,

2431
01:27:35,545 --> 01:27:36,925
some f four Phantoms

2432
01:27:37,864 --> 01:27:41,064
to carry the Star Launch two rocket, and

2433
01:27:41,064 --> 01:27:42,204
that rocket,

2434
01:27:42,744 --> 01:27:45,645
again, is intended to, provide

2435
01:27:46,185 --> 01:27:47,725
low Earth orbit access

2436
01:27:48,399 --> 01:27:51,600
and handle the heavy heavier payloads than what

2437
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,520
the f one zero four based system can

2438
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:54,500
currently manage.

2439
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,399
So that's pretty interesting using old fighters to

2440
01:27:58,399 --> 01:27:58,800
launch,

2441
01:27:59,279 --> 01:28:00,100
launch satellites.

2442
01:28:00,774 --> 01:28:02,694
Yeah. Speaking of old, I mean, it is

2443
01:28:02,694 --> 01:28:04,454
kind of ironic, I think. We've got new

2444
01:28:04,454 --> 01:28:07,975
technology being launched by ancient technology. The f

2445
01:28:07,975 --> 01:28:11,095
four was, first flight was in the nineteen

2446
01:28:11,095 --> 01:28:13,994
fifties, '19 '50 '8, '60 '7 years ago,

2447
01:28:14,130 --> 01:28:17,109
and it was last built in 1981.

2448
01:28:17,170 --> 01:28:19,489
So what? Forty four years ago. I just

2449
01:28:19,489 --> 01:28:20,710
find that really fascinating.

2450
01:28:21,250 --> 01:28:22,689
And the f one zero four is even

2451
01:28:22,689 --> 01:28:25,409
older. It's a Kelly Johnson design, the missile

2452
01:28:25,409 --> 01:28:26,850
with the man in it. This is what

2453
01:28:26,850 --> 01:28:29,905
Chuck Yeager flew when he crashed down injured

2454
01:28:30,045 --> 01:28:30,545
terribly.

2455
01:28:31,405 --> 01:28:33,905
And just an amazing aircraft,

2456
01:28:34,605 --> 01:28:36,605
and a beautiful with those short stubby wings

2457
01:28:36,605 --> 01:28:39,985
and very dangerous, not very easily controlled, but

2458
01:28:40,204 --> 01:28:43,109
another gorgeous airplane for part of the Century

2459
01:28:43,109 --> 01:28:45,430
Series. And those are those are two of

2460
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:47,590
my favorites. And they say the f four

2461
01:28:47,590 --> 01:28:49,909
was designed they they describe it as if

2462
01:28:49,909 --> 01:28:51,270
you put a big enough engine on a

2463
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:53,430
brick, you can make anything fly because it's

2464
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:55,210
got two huge powerful.

2465
01:28:55,804 --> 01:28:58,125
One final note, and this came from Mark.

2466
01:28:58,125 --> 01:29:00,685
He tells us that the Pacific Air Show

2467
01:29:00,685 --> 01:29:02,545
twenty twenty five in Australia

2468
01:29:03,005 --> 01:29:04,064
has been canceled.

2469
01:29:04,604 --> 01:29:07,585
So they had a tropical cyclone, Alfred,

2470
01:29:08,284 --> 01:29:08,784
and

2471
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:11,320
it apparently, it washed a lot of the

2472
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:12,060
beach away.

2473
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:13,180
And

2474
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,680
they've been trying to recover this and, perform

2475
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:17,500
some remediation,

2476
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:19,640
but, there's no way that that can be

2477
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:20,840
completed by mid August,

2478
01:29:21,675 --> 01:29:22,954
when the air show is,

2479
01:29:23,435 --> 01:29:26,734
was scheduled. So they've had no alternative

2480
01:29:27,034 --> 01:29:29,114
but to cancel the air show on the

2481
01:29:29,114 --> 01:29:29,854
Gold Coast

2482
01:29:30,395 --> 01:29:31,935
for 2025,

2483
01:29:32,234 --> 01:29:33,935
but, look for it to return

2484
01:29:34,715 --> 01:29:36,015
in 2026.

2485
01:29:36,729 --> 01:29:39,050
Brian said he's really, really glad he went

2486
01:29:39,050 --> 01:29:39,789
last year,

2487
01:29:40,170 --> 01:29:41,930
because, obviously, he would have missed it this

2488
01:29:41,930 --> 01:29:44,729
year. But Steven Krant must be heartbroken because

2489
01:29:44,729 --> 01:29:46,970
that's one of their major events. Yes. Yes.

2490
01:29:46,970 --> 01:29:49,530
It's real sad. But, if the beach gets

2491
01:29:49,530 --> 01:29:51,550
eroded away, you can't really have

2492
01:29:52,225 --> 01:29:54,005
an event on the beach, I guess.

2493
01:29:55,025 --> 01:29:57,185
Alright. Well, thanks for listening to the Airplane

2494
01:29:57,185 --> 01:29:58,085
Geeks podcast.

2495
01:29:58,784 --> 01:30:02,005
You can find us as always at airplanegeeks.com.

2496
01:30:02,465 --> 01:30:04,145
We have a shortcut link right to the

2497
01:30:04,145 --> 01:30:06,909
episode post. Lots of links, videos, all kinds

2498
01:30:06,909 --> 01:30:09,310
of things in there. This is episode eight

2499
01:30:09,310 --> 01:30:12,030
fifty. So the shortcuts airplane geeks dot com

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01:30:12,030 --> 01:30:13,970
slash eight five zero.

2501
01:30:14,590 --> 01:30:17,970
Email address is thegeeks@airplanegeeks.com.

2502
01:30:19,024 --> 01:30:21,685
Alright, Micah. If folks wanna reach out

2503
01:30:22,064 --> 01:30:24,164
and contact you, how do they do that?

2504
01:30:24,385 --> 01:30:26,545
Well, you can find me on x Twitter

2505
01:30:26,545 --> 01:30:28,304
and Blue Sky as a main fly, and,

2506
01:30:28,304 --> 01:30:29,984
of course, you can always find me with

2507
01:30:29,984 --> 01:30:32,510
our good friend, Pasadena Brian Coleman, on the

2508
01:30:32,510 --> 01:30:33,969
Journey is Reward podcast.

2509
01:30:34,510 --> 01:30:36,350
And, Rob, Mark, how about you? Where do

2510
01:30:36,350 --> 01:30:38,050
people find the stuff that you do?

2511
01:30:38,590 --> 01:30:40,670
Well, I think they could find it on,

2512
01:30:40,909 --> 01:30:41,409
Twitter.

2513
01:30:41,869 --> 01:30:43,729
They could find it on Blue Sky.

2514
01:30:44,510 --> 01:30:47,250
They'll find me, at JetWine.com,

2515
01:30:47,695 --> 01:30:50,255
in the pages of certain magazines around the

2516
01:30:50,255 --> 01:30:51,555
country, and also

2517
01:30:52,015 --> 01:30:53,395
on the new NTSB

2518
01:30:54,414 --> 01:30:55,715
News Talk Show

2519
01:30:56,175 --> 01:30:58,114
with my buddy, Max Triscott.

2520
01:30:58,655 --> 01:31:00,735
Yeah. But he says I can only stay

2521
01:31:00,735 --> 01:31:01,635
if I'm good.

2522
01:31:03,610 --> 01:31:04,970
I don't I don't know if he means

2523
01:31:04,970 --> 01:31:06,970
content wise or if I just if I

2524
01:31:06,970 --> 01:31:09,130
behave. If you behave. Yeah. It it it

2525
01:31:09,130 --> 01:31:11,050
could be both. Hey. You wouldn't be so

2526
01:31:11,050 --> 01:31:12,909
good if you weren't so bad. Yeah.

2527
01:31:14,729 --> 01:31:16,510
And how about you, Max, or Scott?

2528
01:31:17,284 --> 01:31:19,125
The usual place. Folks can head out to

2529
01:31:19,125 --> 01:31:20,324
aviationnewstalk.com

2530
01:31:20,324 --> 01:31:21,765
and click on contact at the top of

2531
01:31:21,765 --> 01:31:22,345
the page.

2532
01:31:22,805 --> 01:31:25,145
And you can find me on Blue Sky.

2533
01:31:25,204 --> 01:31:27,864
Just look for Airplane Geeks on Blue Sky

2534
01:31:28,244 --> 01:31:32,104
or on my website, 30000feet.com,

2535
01:31:32,970 --> 01:31:34,029
all one word.

2536
01:31:34,810 --> 01:31:37,369
So please join us again next week as

2537
01:31:37,369 --> 01:31:40,270
we talk aviation on the Airplane Geeks podcast.

2538
01:31:40,729 --> 01:31:41,470
Bye, everybody.

2539
01:31:42,170 --> 01:31:43,550
Keep the blue side up.

2540
01:31:43,930 --> 01:31:44,750
Nighty night.

2541
01:31:45,395 --> 01:31:47,875
See you real soon. And from David, thanks

2542
01:31:47,875 --> 01:31:48,534
for listening.