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Hello

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and welcome to the adventures and podcast where

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we analyze floor and celebrate the creative journey.

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My name is Julie Fe bo, and I'm

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a working artist living outside of boss and.

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I've been hosting this podcast with my super

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special c host and my mom.

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Ai Shoe balls since 2012.

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Hi mom.

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Hello, Julie.

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So we recently had a group coaching session

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over at my monthly membership site, my art

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practice doc. Com. And I had a chance

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to chat with many of the talented artists

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who are part of the online community.

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And what was great to hear were about

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a month in, maybe to the new membership

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site and,

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it was great to hear that they love

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the content. They found the message board, the

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app and the site, you know, either to

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use,

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was a lot of the things that I

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was nervous about, they just absolutely were like,

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oh, this is easy. This is great. And

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I was particularly pleased when 1 person pointed

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out that the search function is super robust,

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and she was able to immediately find what

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she was looking for. And in fact, I've

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had a couple people say, oh, I'd love

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to see you do a tutorial for instance

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on, like tents. And I said, oh, have

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you used the search function because I've done

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a few over the past few years, and

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I'm sure enough, they type in tents and

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up comes everything that I've ever done about

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it. So

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that is super exciting because it's really useful,

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which is what I like. It kinda becomes

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like a wiki

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for sort of art techniques and ideas which

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I really like.

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In case I'm putting the car before the

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horse, I wanna make sure everybody knows that

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my art practice is a community and education

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hub for artists of all levels from hobby

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to professional,

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who are interested in creating systems for growth,

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the systems for consistency, systems, for radiation systems

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for helping you make decisions. I think you

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get the idea of systems.

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You know, at its heart, and art practice

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is about creating systems that work and help

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you make better work.

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So in our practice is much more than

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the act of making art. It's thinking of

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ideas. It's researching. It's developing consistency. Schedule. Its

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mindset it's recovering from failure. It's networking, at

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so many different things. And you can come

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and work on your art practice with a

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friendly community at my art practice dot com.

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So the membership doors are gonna open for

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1 week beginning on 08/08/2024

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practice And I hope that you will check

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it out. If you wanna be the first

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to know when the doors open, you can

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sign up for my mailing list, which you'll

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find over at my art practice. Dot com.

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So this is episode 01:60,

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which I have given the enormously long title.

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Let's see if I can say it in

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1 bat breath.

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Growth mindset and morning noon night at the

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Att edinburgh Arts museum. So,

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today, we're gonna talk about how continuous learning

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and bring facing challenges and being open to

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new experiences and feedback is a huge part

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of success as well as satisfaction with your

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work, and we're also gonna talk about the

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exhibit morning new nice at the Att Arts

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museum, they are actually related, but you're gonna

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have to listen to the podcast

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to find out how. It So mom, I

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know. So today's episode is about growth mindset,

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which is often held in contrast to fixed

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This is like, a... This is a theory

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that's been around for a long time. It's

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nothing new. Is this something you'd heard of

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before I said that this is what today's

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topic was gonna be?

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I have heard about it. Mh.

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Not as applied to an art practice, but

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figures because I don't have an art practice.

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growth mindset is similar to a phrase that's

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often used lifelong learning

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very similar, which is you never

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see yourself as a fixed

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You see yourself as someone who's

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always interested in something,

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unexpected, new, different, a new person, a new

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taste, a new

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piece of art, a new movie, whatever it

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travel or you

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just watch people,

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that's different in the way I approach it

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I don't have a particular thing. Like in

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that organizes

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and focuses me on

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this lifelong learning. I'm just interested in things.

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I often find myself reading something from a

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magazine or

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pursuing something,

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which has no relationship to anything I've done

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but I'm interested.

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follow it. And then I use whatever it

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as it comes up in my life as

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opposed to what you're offering, which is having

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in particular

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area where you want to keep learning more

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can't do both.

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needs to be quite so

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specific, which is apparently a very difficult word

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I think that a lot of growth mindset,

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the reason this this topic came up for

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me is 1 of the things that happened

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is in group coaching we were talking about

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and how to have confidence.

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of the things I believe in is

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that you have to believe

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that, like, it's not that you're inherently smart

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or you're inherently talented,

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but it's that you can learn things. You

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can grow. You can develop skills. Right? And

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somebody, in the class you has a background

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in psychology said, oh, that's called growth mindset.

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little group coaching, and then I went to

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go look it up and really look at

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some of the formal

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of it.

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a story that somebody told me once a

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woman had been a consultant that... I've always

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they gave a group of women and men,

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a fairly easy test,

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did you do so well in test, and

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did so well, the men all said because

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I'm really smart or I'm really good at

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this. Right?

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the test and men are giving the credit

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to themselves. Right? And then they gave them

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a very, very hard test and they said

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to the women, why didn't you do better?

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not really good at this. You know, they

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were blaming themselves for it. When they asked

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men, you can guess what the men said,

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the men said because it was impossible because

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it was too... You know what I mean?

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out to how we think of ourselves? I'm

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not... How many times do I tell people

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creative.

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be creative, and that was a choice that

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you may. Right? Just like, I could say,

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I'm not athletic. But the truth is I've

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tried to be athletic. So I could say

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naturally athletic. But it's a choice that I've

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made not to try running, try gymnastics. Try,

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like, whatever else it is to make somebody

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so very formally the definitions here. So a

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growth mindset is the belief that abilities and

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intelligence can be developed. With effort learning and

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persistence, not that they're inherent qualities.

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Right? And so some of the characteristics are

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all the things you were talking about mom,

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embracing challenges,

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persisting through set,

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seeing effort as a path to mastery, learning

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from criticism, finding inspiration, other success, emphasis on

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learning,

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So for instance, in in the art world,

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right, a person with a growth mindset will

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likely believe that they can improve their painting

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skills with practice and learn.

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mindset,

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in which it's the belief that abilities intelligence

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You're gifted with the ability. You're born creative.

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You wake up knowing how to do these

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things. Right? And so people who have a

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fixed men's mindset tend to avoid challenges. They

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give up easily. They see effort as fruit.

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feel threatened by others success because they don't

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see any way to close that gap. Right?

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So a person and text mindset, in our

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art world, might believe that they're either naturally

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talented painting or not naturally talented, and basically

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there's no amount of practice that can change

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that. So that makes sense. Well, I'm trying

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to look up this quote, which,

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as you know, I'm

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I love the new england patriots, and they

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big event where they ind Tom Brady into

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the patriots hall of fame last week,

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and he gave a speech. And 1 of

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the things he said in the speech which

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I can't find this minute, but I think

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it goes to what you're saying

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is that he said it's not that you

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don't have to be supremely talented, but you

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have to be is

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consistent and willing to do the work. And

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Similar to what you're saying actually.

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a great example of someone who... For people

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who maybe don't know and don't follow sports

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at all. You know,

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very low draft pick, not considered a top

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quarterback, not considered particularly athletic gifted called Stiff

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and wooden his hole

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life have all his success attributed to other

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things, other people, other... You know what I

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mean consistently. Right and yet, you know, closing

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out, you know, 1 of the winning Qb

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it is again, the idea of do you

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have to... With, like, which would you rather

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be, like, naturally gifted or a super hard

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worker

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and to be, Frank, most people, it's better

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for you to be a super hard worker

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because that generally gets you further than the

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natural gift. Now the natural gifts can give

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you a head start.

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Right? But it's the work that's gonna get

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you there every single time.

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Yeah. And I think the point he was

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making is that

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you don't have to be

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supremely gifted.

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What you have to be is

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consistent

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mh. Over a period of time and really

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work to improve yourself. And I think that's

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probably

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true about a lot of things.

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Some of

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getting better at something

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is wanting to.

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Mh. And then hearing out some pathways for

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yourself. I think there's a dis... As a

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couple of steps and people often look past

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the middle 1. So the first step is

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you want to be,

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you know, a really good painter. And then

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so

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you could choose to, like, take classes or

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work at it or study with someone or

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get critique or read But instead, you just

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skip right to the become a famous painter

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and you leave the whole middle part out.

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You used to be when you were a

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theater director, used to talk about how some

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people

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really like the acting work.

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And other people will come in and what

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they really want us to be an actor.

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But they don't wanna do the work to

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become an actor. And I think that's part

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of this growth mindset as you understand, you

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have to do the work to get to

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where you wanna go.

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Yeah.

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So, an example of it is this. So

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I've I've written a story for you guys.

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So let's... I... You know, I have a

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theatrical background. So let's set the scene.

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So this... The character's name is Growth mindset

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Julie. Now growth mindset Julie starts her art

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making journey with traditional mixed media collage techniques,

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you know, combining paper and paint a lot

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of you were listening I've probably done that

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before.

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And over time, growth mindset Julie becomes interested

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in new technologies, but

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She knows nothing about how they work. She

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doesn't have any of the equipment and cash

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is tight.

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So what does growth mindset Julie do?

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Growth by essentially takes online classes to learn

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digital art tools. She watches you free Youtube

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videos. She visits her local maker space to

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use their equipment and get some advice and

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some help. She seeks feedback from peers and

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mentors on how to proceed. She applies for

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scholarships and grants. To be able to buy

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the stuff that she needs and get the

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education that she wants, and she actively seeks

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to learn

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and the outcome, the happy ending of our

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incredible fairy tale. It's not a fairy tale

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though, is that growth mindset Julie continuously evolves

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her style by embracing new technologies and methods

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through creative problem solving and by the belief

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that she can learn new skills. And the

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result is a vibrant and ever changing body

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of work. Now let's contrast this to

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fixed mindset Julie.

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So fixed mindset that the evil client. Go

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fix and mindset that Julius faced with the

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same scenario, but instead of pursuing new technologies

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and ideas, she allows the barriers of knowledge

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equipment and cash to remain in place, and

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the outcome, of course, for poor fixed mindset

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Julie is that she continued to make the

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same art she has always made.

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And while that's not bad. The issue is

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she makes it with some dissatisfaction

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because she'd like to do other things, but

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she's scared or unsure

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or unwilling or unable to do them, and

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that leads to dissatisfaction

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with what she's making. Right?

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And so that was sort of, obviously a

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fantastic example, but I actually have a really

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a real world example, and this is where

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we're gonna talk about the Att Arts museums

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current show, morning noon and night. Okay? So

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here's the real thing that happened, which is

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for years, you know, I've been going to

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art shows. I'm going museums. I see other

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people's art in shows, I see online, thousands

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of people having shows and art in this,

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and I hear about art called and all

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that kind of stuff, but I was fixed

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mindset Julie.

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And I allowed my insecurities to stop me

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from applying to shows with lots of excuses,

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things that you might have said to.

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You know, things like, I don't have time

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to apply to these things. It's really expensive

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to pay those entry fees, you know, they'll

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never take my work anyway. I don't make

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the kind of work that they like, you

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know, blah blah blah blah. And the outcome

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was basically like a lot of longing and

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frankly envy of other people. So

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I shifted my mindset.

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And in the day. I know yeah. And

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I became growth mindset, Julie, but truthfully at

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the end of 20 23, I said I'm

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done with, like, making excuses.

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And I'm gonna start applying to stuff, and

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I'm gonna... And I'm gonna stop saying

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all the reasons I can't and start thinking

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of all the reasons I can. So I

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try turn all the excuses into action steps.

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I... Instead of saying, I don't have time

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to apply. I said I'll make time to

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apply. And I I put in my calendar

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once a month, There's a There's an appointment

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that says apply to calls.

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Then it's too expensive to apply, and I

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said, you know what? I'll create a budget

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for trying to show something that's reasonable and

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make decisions on what to apply to partially

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based on cost so that I'm not... You

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know, because it's 30 or, it can be

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anywhere from usually 15 to 45 dollars each

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time you apply for a call? And it's

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like, you know, do you wanna spend all

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that money

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on what often ends up being nothing a

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rejection?

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And then, you know, instead of saying they'll

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never take my work. I don't make the

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kind of work that they like. I said,

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I won't know

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if they'll take my work.

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Until I apply. And the outcome, the happy

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ending to our story is that this year

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in 20 24, and it is June now.

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I think this podcast podcasts will go out

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in July, But this year, I've had 1

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solo show. I've been in 7 group shows.

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And I won a Jurors award at the

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Att Arts museum show, morning noon and night.

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My first time in a Museum show, my

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first time winning a Jurors award, like, very

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exciting stuff. And that 8 shows

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is about the same number of shows that

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I've been over the past 5 years combined.

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And, you know, I think this is just

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an example of how changing

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your mindset

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can lead to a lot of success that

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you were maybe too scared to reach out

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for. And at the same time though, I've

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been doing the work. My work is better

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than it was 5 years it's better than

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I was a year ago, You know? And

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I've... Everything that I've entered into the shows

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has been new work that I've done recently.

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And so that's another part is believing that

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I can. You know, for engineers,

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people have told me that I need that

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my work is too busy.

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And My work is too busy. And I

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heard it, and I heard it, and I

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heard it and I heard it, and I

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could think of a thousand reasons why there

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are other artists whose work as equally as

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busy or more busy and, like why can't

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I also, But then I started to listen

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and I started to think about it. And

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I've now found some ways that still feel

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like me

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to draw down some of the busy. And

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I think that has helped out of the

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success too. And part of that is growth

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mindset is actually like listening and hearing what

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people are saying, but sometimes the timing has

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to be right for that, But that's a

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whole separate other thing. Anyway, the fairy tale

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is true. Mom, you look like you were

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gonna say something.

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Well, I was thinking that

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some of it is changing your mind, but

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some of it you do have a fearless

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about putting yourself out there because when you

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were a little kid, maybe you were in

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middle school, and there was a

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call for a Tv show,

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1 of those after school specials

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at 1 of our local Tv stations and

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you decided you wanted to do this. And

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it was,

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you know,

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everyone else sort of looked like

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Britney spears,

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you know, 1 of those

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little skinny blonde girls,

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and

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you look like you.

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Mh.

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And I'll try not to take that as

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an insult, but okay.

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We're not... Yes.

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Out

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Yes. I'm a I'm a little around dark

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haired girl. I get it.

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And

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so... But I took you to the addition,

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and you got a callback

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and you book the part out of nowhere.

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And I think

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a lot of people were surprised.

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The point is you took an emotional chance,

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and a lot of this growth mindset is

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emotional,

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even though

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it may not seem so. But, I mean,

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to let other people

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see your art

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some will like it, some will not. Some

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will get it, some won't.

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Yeah. Do you apply of things that you

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could be rejected from,

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Mh. And not let it feel like a

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rejection of you. Mh. I think that's hard.

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I think it's hard too. I think rejection

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and failure are super scary things and the

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whole idea of growth mindset I think or

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the reason that

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it works for people is because

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it's it's like things

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permission to say

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that failure and rejection are

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growth.

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It's permission to believe that, you know,

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every time you fail, every time you're rejected,

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that's an opportunity to grow. I mean, I

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I would add the extra step in there

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and say that

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it isn't enough to fail and say that

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that's growth.

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You have to fail and consider why.

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Why did you fail? And so I will

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give another real world like example, which is

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we went to a a show that I

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was in,

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and the juror was giving out awards

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and

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you know, gave out the awards and afterwards,

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you said to me, you know, because I

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didn't get an award. You said, you know,

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00:19:51,589 --> 00:19:52,944
are you okay or something or do you

543
00:19:52,944 --> 00:19:54,779
feel alright about that. And I said, you

544
00:19:54,779 --> 00:19:54,939
know,

545
00:19:56,548 --> 00:19:59,496
I do. I said he didn't give an

546
00:19:59,496 --> 00:20:00,792
award to a single

547
00:20:01,169 --> 00:20:01,669
abstract

548
00:20:02,443 --> 00:20:03,160
piece of work.

549
00:20:03,654 --> 00:20:04,473
And everything

550
00:20:05,010 --> 00:20:06,764
that... And what I had in the show

551
00:20:06,764 --> 00:20:09,237
was abstract, you know, but everything he had

552
00:20:09,237 --> 00:20:10,854
given a award to was

553
00:20:11,470 --> 00:20:12,746
representation. And so I said,

554
00:20:13,798 --> 00:20:17,224
it's always the jurors personal taste, like, the

555
00:20:17,224 --> 00:20:20,093
hs is. Right. And some jurors have a

556
00:20:20,093 --> 00:20:22,730
wider taste. And some have a narrower taste.

557
00:20:22,889 --> 00:20:24,873
And so you just never know whether you're

558
00:20:24,873 --> 00:20:27,174
gonna hit it with the dirt or not,

559
00:20:27,412 --> 00:20:29,317
but that 1 in particular,

560
00:20:29,808 --> 00:20:31,793
the taste of the juror was so clear

561
00:20:31,793 --> 00:20:32,111
to me.

562
00:20:33,064 --> 00:20:34,755
Mh. That it wasn't difficult

563
00:20:35,128 --> 00:20:36,502
to not to,

564
00:20:36,875 --> 00:20:37,272
you know,

565
00:20:37,844 --> 00:20:39,595
wasn't difficult to not feel bad. Is that

566
00:20:39,595 --> 00:20:40,471
too many negatives,

567
00:20:40,948 --> 00:20:43,257
but it it it... I didn't feel bad

568
00:20:43,257 --> 00:20:45,668
because they under... It was so clear

569
00:20:46,138 --> 00:20:46,638
how

570
00:20:47,171 --> 00:20:49,817
his taste was his taste, and I wasn't

571
00:20:49,953 --> 00:20:52,895
even in the conversation of that taste.

572
00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:56,091
Right. I mean, then this goes back to

573
00:20:56,091 --> 00:20:58,000
on a previous podcast. I think we said

574
00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,671
this. You always have to consider...

575
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,516
Who is giving you the critique or the

576
00:21:03,516 --> 00:21:04,335
advice and

577
00:21:05,273 --> 00:21:07,531
choose whether or not you think that person

578
00:21:08,323 --> 00:21:10,395
as an insight that's useful to you or

579
00:21:10,395 --> 00:21:10,634
not?

580
00:21:11,271 --> 00:21:11,590
Yeah.

581
00:21:12,546 --> 00:21:13,183
I agree.

582
00:21:14,139 --> 00:21:14,617
So

583
00:21:15,507 --> 00:21:17,416
just... And thinking that the opposite is Issue

584
00:21:17,416 --> 00:21:19,643
too, which is, like, I got the Jurors

585
00:21:19,643 --> 00:21:22,744
award at this Att Arts museum show, but

586
00:21:22,744 --> 00:21:24,652
a different juror on a different day.

587
00:21:25,624 --> 00:21:26,823
You know, I wouldn't have.

588
00:21:27,622 --> 00:21:29,779
And, like, I'm... Who knows if I would

589
00:21:29,779 --> 00:21:32,038
have gone in the show because every juror

590
00:21:32,097 --> 00:21:32,597
has

591
00:21:33,296 --> 00:21:34,095
a difference,

592
00:21:34,829 --> 00:21:36,663
taste profile. I have to say though, that

593
00:21:36,663 --> 00:21:38,817
show... So I... This so the concede of

594
00:21:38,817 --> 00:21:39,375
the show,

595
00:21:40,252 --> 00:21:42,167
morning Noon night is very much what it

596
00:21:42,167 --> 00:21:44,102
sounds like is that they wanted

597
00:21:44,973 --> 00:21:46,010
entries that,

598
00:21:46,728 --> 00:21:48,504
had something to do with,

599
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,274
you know, time of day or sense of

600
00:21:51,274 --> 00:21:52,949
that. And 1 of the things I talked

601
00:21:52,949 --> 00:21:54,799
to the juror at the show and Actually,

602
00:21:54,958 --> 00:21:56,474
she's gonna be a guest on a podcast,

603
00:21:56,554 --> 00:21:58,228
which I'm very excited about. So I won't

604
00:21:58,228 --> 00:21:59,903
talk about it too much. But I will

605
00:21:59,903 --> 00:22:02,615
just mention that she said, you know, there

606
00:22:02,615 --> 00:22:03,652
were 450

607
00:22:03,652 --> 00:22:05,422
entries or something like that. And she said

608
00:22:05,422 --> 00:22:07,497
a lot of them were, like sunrise and

609
00:22:07,497 --> 00:22:09,332
sunsets, and it would have been easy to

610
00:22:09,332 --> 00:22:10,630
fill the entire

611
00:22:11,406 --> 00:22:14,053
show that with sunrise and sunsets, but she

612
00:22:14,053 --> 00:22:15,965
didn't wanna do that. Right? She wanted to

613
00:22:15,965 --> 00:22:18,356
think about the theme in sort of broader

614
00:22:18,356 --> 00:22:19,972
terms and all of things

615
00:22:20,443 --> 00:22:22,430
that it could be. And then so she

616
00:22:22,430 --> 00:22:24,019
chose art that fit that. And then I

617
00:22:24,019 --> 00:22:26,085
also think she was very thoughtful in the

618
00:22:26,085 --> 00:22:27,595
sense of trying to include a wide range

619
00:22:27,595 --> 00:22:29,240
of art because that show had

620
00:22:29,755 --> 00:22:30,255
sculpture,

621
00:22:31,103 --> 00:22:31,499
quilt,

622
00:22:32,609 --> 00:22:33,664
print geography,

623
00:22:34,274 --> 00:22:34,774
photography,

624
00:22:35,542 --> 00:22:36,518
makes media,

625
00:22:37,464 --> 00:22:37,964
painting

626
00:22:38,343 --> 00:22:39,163
ink the

627
00:22:40,181 --> 00:22:43,138
models. Yeah. I mean, there was just the

628
00:22:43,138 --> 00:22:46,276
glass work, like, there was just so many

629
00:22:46,989 --> 00:22:48,288
there was such a wide

630
00:22:48,747 --> 00:22:49,247
range

631
00:22:50,105 --> 00:22:52,022
of art. It really... I mean, maybe because

632
00:22:52,022 --> 00:22:54,510
it's a museum too, but it it... It

633
00:22:54,510 --> 00:22:55,804
felt like a very

634
00:22:56,496 --> 00:22:56,996
wide

635
00:22:59,276 --> 00:23:01,420
spectrum of art and, like, a true representation

636
00:23:01,420 --> 00:23:03,270
of lots of different kinds.

637
00:23:03,659 --> 00:23:05,329
Of our unit I mean? So there was

638
00:23:05,329 --> 00:23:06,602
kind of like, a little bit of something

639
00:23:06,602 --> 00:23:08,534
for everything. Some stuff that was more

640
00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:10,555
of

641
00:23:11,470 --> 00:23:13,063
I I wanna say theoretical, not not the

642
00:23:13,063 --> 00:23:15,372
right word conceptual perhaps, for instance there was

643
00:23:15,372 --> 00:23:18,000
a piece that I'm thinking of, which was,

644
00:23:19,848 --> 00:23:20,747
about this

645
00:23:21,124 --> 00:23:21,624
guy

646
00:23:22,001 --> 00:23:24,554
who was a photographer photographer... Chap who was

647
00:23:24,554 --> 00:23:25,271
a photograph.

648
00:23:26,229 --> 00:23:26,787
Oh a man,

649
00:23:27,505 --> 00:23:28,940
I'm having trouble speaking today.

650
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:31,502
With a photograph of a man in a

651
00:23:31,502 --> 00:23:32,217
storage unit.

652
00:23:32,933 --> 00:23:33,433
And

653
00:23:34,206 --> 00:23:36,848
there was, like, a flickering light sort of

654
00:23:36,848 --> 00:23:39,342
above the piece and real 3.

655
00:23:40,358 --> 00:23:42,033
Actual flickering light.

656
00:23:42,672 --> 00:23:43,411
And then

657
00:23:43,723 --> 00:23:44,223
the

658
00:23:44,601 --> 00:23:46,673
the photo was, like, printed onto to kind

659
00:23:46,673 --> 00:23:48,986
of wooden slots almost like a pallet.

660
00:23:49,703 --> 00:23:51,935
Yeah stuffed in between the cracks.

661
00:23:52,429 --> 00:23:55,213
Of it, what you could see, like, bags

662
00:23:55,213 --> 00:23:57,362
of stuff and garbage and all sorts of

663
00:23:57,362 --> 00:23:59,374
stuff. And and I was kind of like

664
00:23:59,923 --> 00:24:01,513
I don't get it when I looked at

665
00:24:01,513 --> 00:24:03,580
it. And then I read the card, and

666
00:24:03,580 --> 00:24:05,408
the card was super informative, and I basically

667
00:24:05,408 --> 00:24:06,521
said, like, this is...

668
00:24:07,808 --> 00:24:10,374
Stores that's provided to these addicts

669
00:24:10,907 --> 00:24:13,371
that are often homeless so they can obviously

670
00:24:13,371 --> 00:24:14,825
have their belongings somewhere.

671
00:24:15,517 --> 00:24:16,335
And so

672
00:24:16,882 --> 00:24:19,259
the whole piece of morning moon and night

673
00:24:19,259 --> 00:24:20,845
is and she's it set is. And so

674
00:24:20,845 --> 00:24:21,716
they're their

675
00:24:22,509 --> 00:24:25,707
their belongings are available to them 24 7

676
00:24:25,707 --> 00:24:26,746
morning noon and night,

677
00:24:27,465 --> 00:24:29,723
you know, and that they're able to

678
00:24:30,182 --> 00:24:32,273
access their stuff when they need to, And

679
00:24:32,431 --> 00:24:33,883
I thought that's such an interesting

680
00:24:34,256 --> 00:24:36,397
interpretation of morning noon and night as opposed

681
00:24:36,397 --> 00:24:38,698
to my piece, which was,

682
00:24:39,570 --> 00:24:39,729
called...

683
00:24:40,698 --> 00:24:43,109
Memory of a summer day, which is about

684
00:24:43,485 --> 00:24:45,316
me and my son going for a walk.

685
00:24:45,476 --> 00:24:48,422
Right? And having that feeling of walking and,

686
00:24:48,581 --> 00:24:48,661
like,

687
00:24:49,471 --> 00:24:51,142
it's just not only and Looks was a

688
00:24:51,142 --> 00:24:53,370
different, but just an interpretation of the theme

689
00:24:53,370 --> 00:24:54,404
it was so different.

690
00:24:54,882 --> 00:24:57,441
And I loved that. That those pieces could

691
00:24:57,441 --> 00:24:59,508
exist in the same show and both make

692
00:24:59,508 --> 00:24:59,826
sense.

693
00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:03,085
You know? And I thought they, they just

694
00:25:03,085 --> 00:25:05,444
did such a nice job too because each

695
00:25:05,564 --> 00:25:08,428
of the pieces had the art statement about

696
00:25:08,428 --> 00:25:10,974
how it fit into the theme, and I

697
00:25:10,974 --> 00:25:12,406
thought that was really nice so that it

698
00:25:12,406 --> 00:25:14,338
made everything feel a little bit deeper

699
00:25:14,649 --> 00:25:17,227
a little more interesting in terms of

700
00:25:18,405 --> 00:25:21,041
more than a title, you know, doesn't always

701
00:25:21,041 --> 00:25:21,760
help as much.

702
00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:24,478
Yeah. No. I thought it was a good

703
00:25:24,478 --> 00:25:25,613
show. And I think

704
00:25:26,779 --> 00:25:27,517
the jury

705
00:25:28,683 --> 00:25:30,746
did a good job at being open minded.

706
00:25:31,239 --> 00:25:32,917
Oh, by the way, the show in Att

707
00:25:32,917 --> 00:25:35,735
is open for another week if anybody's interested

708
00:25:35,794 --> 00:25:36,833
in seeing it.

709
00:25:37,632 --> 00:25:40,050
And if you're interested in changing your mindset,

710
00:25:40,524 --> 00:25:42,759
Here's a list of 10 fixed mindset statements

711
00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:45,415
that you can easily transform to growth mindset

712
00:25:45,474 --> 00:25:45,873
statements.

713
00:25:46,352 --> 00:25:48,768
And these are statements that I hear from

714
00:25:49,066 --> 00:25:49,566
students

715
00:25:50,355 --> 00:25:52,602
and fellow artists all the time. So that's

716
00:25:52,658 --> 00:25:54,325
and that's how I picked them, not out

717
00:25:54,325 --> 00:25:56,310
of the air. So the first 1 is

718
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:58,057
the most common thing that I hear all

719
00:25:58,057 --> 00:25:58,796
the time

720
00:25:59,502 --> 00:26:00,716
I can't

721
00:26:01,248 --> 00:26:01,724
draw.

722
00:26:03,232 --> 00:26:06,090
That is a fixed mindset statement. The growth

723
00:26:06,090 --> 00:26:06,566
mindset,

724
00:26:07,042 --> 00:26:08,049
tone of it is

725
00:26:08,408 --> 00:26:10,953
I don't know how to draw yet,

726
00:26:11,749 --> 00:26:14,136
but I can improve my drawing skills with

727
00:26:14,136 --> 00:26:15,170
practice and dedication.

728
00:26:15,744 --> 00:26:17,103
And so that's gonna be the same for

729
00:26:17,103 --> 00:26:20,219
anything else. I can't sew. I can't knit.

730
00:26:20,778 --> 00:26:23,815
I can't paint. I can't draw people.

731
00:26:24,308 --> 00:26:26,536
I can't draw, you know, and and I

732
00:26:26,536 --> 00:26:29,185
have to tell you, I was talking to

733
00:26:29,322 --> 00:26:31,948
an artist the other day, actually, at the

734
00:26:32,107 --> 00:26:32,983
Att show.

735
00:26:33,873 --> 00:26:36,978
And she was talking about her work, and

736
00:26:36,978 --> 00:26:39,150
she said that she does all this watercolor,

737
00:26:39,685 --> 00:26:41,118
and she doesn't normally draw people.

738
00:26:42,168 --> 00:26:43,364
Because she just can't draw people.

739
00:26:44,081 --> 00:26:45,516
But she was doing a demo...

740
00:26:46,074 --> 00:26:48,226
Oh, wait, This isn't... This wasn't a battle

741
00:26:48,226 --> 00:26:50,709
show. I just realized this was separate. Okay.

742
00:26:51,186 --> 00:26:52,538
Anyway, brain fart,

743
00:26:53,174 --> 00:26:54,844
let's give and rewind that and just say

744
00:26:54,923 --> 00:26:56,036
I was talking to an artist.

745
00:26:57,547 --> 00:26:59,399
And she said she doesn't normally draw people

746
00:26:59,789 --> 00:27:02,109
and then she just decided that's something she

747
00:27:02,109 --> 00:27:03,630
had put into her painting looked a little

748
00:27:03,630 --> 00:27:04,269
like a person.

749
00:27:04,990 --> 00:27:06,909
So then she decided it was a person

750
00:27:06,909 --> 00:27:08,524
and she made another 1. And then she

751
00:27:08,524 --> 00:27:10,702
felt so incredibly proud of herself

752
00:27:11,161 --> 00:27:12,380
that she had drawn

753
00:27:13,478 --> 00:27:14,357
right people.

754
00:27:14,997 --> 00:27:16,515
And that is...

755
00:27:17,247 --> 00:27:19,395
The growth mindset, which is instead of believing

756
00:27:19,395 --> 00:27:21,145
that you can or you don't or whatever

757
00:27:21,145 --> 00:27:23,134
else, it's that you try and you see

758
00:27:23,134 --> 00:27:23,611
what happens.

759
00:27:24,104 --> 00:27:26,102
You know, but knowing that you can get

760
00:27:26,102 --> 00:27:26,262
there.

761
00:27:27,540 --> 00:27:28,999
Okay. Fixed mindset

762
00:27:29,938 --> 00:27:33,308
I can't afford expensive materials, So my work

763
00:27:33,308 --> 00:27:35,464
will never be good enough. Where there's a

764
00:27:35,464 --> 00:27:37,300
will there's a way. I remember when I

765
00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:41,312
was touring colleges, and my father was incredibly

766
00:27:41,611 --> 00:27:44,970
impressed, so with this girl who was our

767
00:27:44,970 --> 00:27:46,561
tour guide at Brown.

768
00:27:47,357 --> 00:27:49,506
She talks about how she couldn't get into

769
00:27:49,506 --> 00:27:52,059
this class she went on a campaign to

770
00:27:52,059 --> 00:27:54,439
get the professor to let her into the

771
00:27:54,439 --> 00:27:54,756
class.

772
00:27:55,946 --> 00:27:57,612
And the campaign to let her into class,

773
00:27:57,770 --> 00:28:00,102
a included, like, all these letters she wrote

774
00:28:00,102 --> 00:28:01,801
to him and this, like, big leg

775
00:28:02,259 --> 00:28:03,538
demonstration that she did about it and all

776
00:28:03,538 --> 00:28:05,376
the other stuff and she did eventually make

777
00:28:05,376 --> 00:28:06,515
it into the class

778
00:28:06,829 --> 00:28:07,068
Right?

779
00:28:07,865 --> 00:28:10,337
And and that's a growth mindset in a

780
00:28:10,337 --> 00:28:13,128
lot of ways too. Right? Believing that there

781
00:28:13,128 --> 00:28:14,882
is a way to figure out how to

782
00:28:14,882 --> 00:28:15,440
get it done.

783
00:28:16,172 --> 00:28:16,672
So

784
00:28:17,208 --> 00:28:18,960
the growth mindset version of not being able

785
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,951
to afford the expensive materials, so your work

786
00:28:20,951 --> 00:28:22,145
whenever would be good enough is to say,

787
00:28:22,305 --> 00:28:24,296
creativity isn't limited by materials.

788
00:28:24,788 --> 00:28:27,176
I can innovate with what I have and

789
00:28:27,176 --> 00:28:28,688
still make great art. I can also look

790
00:28:28,688 --> 00:28:31,235
into other ways of gaining access, the materials

791
00:28:31,235 --> 00:28:31,951
they wanna use.

792
00:28:33,001 --> 00:28:34,274
This is this whole idea of,

793
00:28:35,069 --> 00:28:35,888
can you

794
00:28:36,263 --> 00:28:38,752
get a grant? Can you ask people

795
00:28:39,127 --> 00:28:42,007
for donations? Can you, you know, find a

796
00:28:42,007 --> 00:28:43,920
way to use a makers space or another

797
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,752
resource in town. Did you know that there

798
00:28:45,752 --> 00:28:47,824
are all sorts of programs for artists who

799
00:28:47,824 --> 00:28:48,882
supplies. Like, they're

800
00:28:49,194 --> 00:28:50,954
there are ways to do it. I mean,

801
00:28:51,194 --> 00:28:52,875
even if the expensive material thinking of is,

802
00:28:53,035 --> 00:28:54,474
for instance, like, I don't have access to

803
00:28:54,474 --> 00:28:56,154
a press, so I can't be a real

804
00:28:56,154 --> 00:28:59,367
print maker. Okay. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's first

805
00:28:59,367 --> 00:29:01,045
talk about what a real print maker is.

806
00:29:01,684 --> 00:29:03,683
And second of all, let's figure out, like,

807
00:29:03,842 --> 00:29:05,781
there are lots of ways to get access

808
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:06,400
to a press.

809
00:29:06,974 --> 00:29:09,051
Is there a printing club in your town?

810
00:29:09,211 --> 00:29:10,569
Is there an art center in your town?

811
00:29:10,729 --> 00:29:12,726
Is there a way that you could, you

812
00:29:12,726 --> 00:29:14,499
know that somebody you know has an... Etching

813
00:29:14,499 --> 00:29:16,097
press that you could use time on. Can

814
00:29:16,097 --> 00:29:18,095
you rent time from another print maker. Can

815
00:29:18,095 --> 00:29:20,812
you... I mean, you can find creative ways

816
00:29:20,812 --> 00:29:22,785
to solve your problems, And I think that's

817
00:29:22,983 --> 00:29:25,528
why growth mindset is so popular in entrepreneurial

818
00:29:25,528 --> 00:29:26,028
circles

819
00:29:27,277 --> 00:29:30,059
is because it's about creative problem solving instead

820
00:29:30,059 --> 00:29:31,888
of accepting that the problem is.

821
00:29:32,779 --> 00:29:34,616
You know, I was just thinking that a

822
00:29:34,616 --> 00:29:35,415
lot of times,

823
00:29:36,534 --> 00:29:39,330
1 of the hallmarks of some outsider art.

824
00:29:40,221 --> 00:29:41,677
Is that they use

825
00:29:42,213 --> 00:29:43,987
unconventional quote unquote materials

826
00:29:44,682 --> 00:29:45,740
that is to say

827
00:29:46,195 --> 00:29:48,289
materials that are accessible to them

828
00:29:49,156 --> 00:29:51,380
because they don't cost a lot of money,

829
00:29:52,174 --> 00:29:53,523
including didn't we see 1...

830
00:29:54,715 --> 00:29:56,326
And we're I am it

831
00:29:56,938 --> 00:29:57,176
break.

832
00:29:58,384 --> 00:29:59,523
But the point is

833
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:02,080
you have to

834
00:30:02,618 --> 00:30:03,518
think about

835
00:30:04,056 --> 00:30:04,855
materials as,

836
00:30:05,748 --> 00:30:08,793
a wide spectrum of things of possibilities,

837
00:30:09,407 --> 00:30:10,702
and you are not

838
00:30:11,157 --> 00:30:12,134
bound by

839
00:30:12,509 --> 00:30:14,754
having to, you know, by the most expensive

840
00:30:14,754 --> 00:30:17,391
paints and the most glorious brushes. Mh.

841
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:20,587
Yeah. And, like, I will say after having

842
00:30:20,587 --> 00:30:22,345
used a printing press now,

843
00:30:23,237 --> 00:30:26,093
I can confirm that you do not need

844
00:30:26,093 --> 00:30:28,155
a printing press for auto printing if you

845
00:30:28,155 --> 00:30:30,297
have a gelatin plate. Like, I can't see

846
00:30:30,297 --> 00:30:30,773
the difference.

847
00:30:31,581 --> 00:30:33,350
Between the 2 for that particular,

848
00:30:33,881 --> 00:30:34,278
you know,

849
00:30:34,912 --> 00:30:36,737
thing. And, like, there are lots of other

850
00:30:36,737 --> 00:30:38,482
ways to get around. Like, what could you

851
00:30:38,482 --> 00:30:41,620
use in dead. Don't you what class an

852
00:30:41,677 --> 00:30:44,702
online little video or something about doing screen

853
00:30:44,702 --> 00:30:47,820
printing on making your own screen? It's I

854
00:30:47,820 --> 00:30:49,648
do. I taught I taught a class about

855
00:30:49,648 --> 00:30:51,158
that where you can make your own screens

856
00:30:51,158 --> 00:30:53,622
for screen printing with very inexpensive supplies. You

857
00:30:53,622 --> 00:30:55,927
can also find lots of tutorials online about

858
00:30:55,927 --> 00:30:58,340
it. And the same with, like, making stamps

859
00:30:58,340 --> 00:30:59,860
the same with, like there are lots of

860
00:30:59,860 --> 00:31:01,299
paints that you can make lots of ways

861
00:31:01,299 --> 00:31:04,119
to vape expensive supplies like, people have found

862
00:31:04,180 --> 00:31:04,740
a way.

863
00:31:05,472 --> 00:31:08,170
A lot of times expensive things are based

864
00:31:08,170 --> 00:31:08,964
on convenience.

865
00:31:09,837 --> 00:31:11,107
And if you're willing to put in a

866
00:31:11,107 --> 00:31:12,615
little more work, then you can make the

867
00:31:12,615 --> 00:31:15,514
cheap thing work for you. Okay. Fixed mindset

868
00:31:15,571 --> 00:31:15,969
statement.

869
00:31:16,605 --> 00:31:18,594
Oh, gosh. I hear this 1 so often.

870
00:31:19,230 --> 00:31:22,094
If I can't do it perfectly, what's the

871
00:31:22,094 --> 00:31:22,412
point?

872
00:31:23,143 --> 00:31:24,891
In fact, I hear that 1 sometimes from

873
00:31:24,891 --> 00:31:27,355
a voice inside my own hat. The growth

874
00:31:27,673 --> 00:31:28,491
Fine perfectly.

875
00:31:29,024 --> 00:31:31,727
Is perfectly the way you had imagined it.

876
00:31:32,779 --> 00:31:33,259
Do you know what?

877
00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:37,440
Yes. Is is perfectly the way another person

878
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:37,819
looks?

879
00:31:38,460 --> 00:31:38,700
Yeah.

880
00:31:39,513 --> 00:31:41,505
That's all those things are fair, and a

881
00:31:41,505 --> 00:31:43,177
lot of times that is what people mean.

882
00:31:43,655 --> 00:31:45,567
And the fact, the growth mindset version of

883
00:31:45,567 --> 00:31:47,160
it is making mistakes as part of the

884
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,006
creative a process, and it helps me learn

885
00:31:49,006 --> 00:31:51,631
improve, doing it a different way than what

886
00:31:51,790 --> 00:31:54,756
I thought is okay, doing it not

887
00:31:55,210 --> 00:31:57,372
exactly like somebody else is fine. Me you

888
00:31:57,372 --> 00:31:59,835
know, like I'm me. I'm not them. And,

889
00:31:59,993 --> 00:32:02,059
like, if you can get out of that

890
00:32:02,059 --> 00:32:04,680
fixed mindset of the task to be this

891
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,236
1 way.

892
00:32:05,730 --> 00:32:08,130
That's enormously helpful. I often tell people, the

893
00:32:08,130 --> 00:32:11,349
the best art skill that you can develop

894
00:32:11,970 --> 00:32:12,789
is an

895
00:32:13,090 --> 00:32:13,590
openness

896
00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:14,470
to

897
00:32:15,741 --> 00:32:17,726
not having it turn out a particular way.

898
00:32:18,043 --> 00:32:20,583
Like, that's the art skill that you'll really

899
00:32:20,583 --> 00:32:23,202
lead just most success. Because if you're too

900
00:32:23,202 --> 00:32:23,837
fixed on it,

901
00:32:24,489 --> 00:32:25,846
You just never get there. None of us

902
00:32:25,846 --> 00:32:26,644
will. Right?

903
00:32:27,761 --> 00:32:30,315
Okay. Fixed mindset. I'll never be as good

904
00:32:30,315 --> 00:32:30,815
as

905
00:32:31,432 --> 00:32:32,230
insert the artist.

906
00:32:32,963 --> 00:32:35,435
Picasso, my neighbor, and my mother, whoever it

907
00:32:35,435 --> 00:32:36,472
is. Right?

908
00:32:37,349 --> 00:32:38,865
And the growth mindset version is,

909
00:32:39,503 --> 00:32:42,548
I can learn from said artist work. And

910
00:32:42,548 --> 00:32:44,861
use it as inspiration to develop my own

911
00:32:44,861 --> 00:32:47,413
style. You know, I think once you... As

912
00:32:47,572 --> 00:32:49,646
I say, comparison is the thief of joy.

913
00:32:49,885 --> 00:32:52,611
Once you start the comparing, it's so hard

914
00:32:52,611 --> 00:32:54,287
to stop. And it's like, what does that

915
00:32:54,287 --> 00:32:56,520
mean as good as? Does that mean as

916
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:56,998
successful?

917
00:32:57,397 --> 00:32:59,950
Does that mean that everything looks great? Like,

918
00:33:00,109 --> 00:33:01,066
what does that mean?

919
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:03,720
You know, and I think that's an important

920
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,160
thing to think about. What is it that

921
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,919
you want that that artist has?

922
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:09,880
Okay. Fixed mindset. I failed at that when

923
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,974
I tried it, So it's not for me.

924
00:33:13,095 --> 00:33:14,855
This is the old. If you fall off

925
00:33:14,855 --> 00:33:16,775
the horse, you gotta get back up again.

926
00:33:16,934 --> 00:33:18,535
If you fall off your bike, you gotta

927
00:33:18,535 --> 00:33:20,784
get back up again. If you fall down

928
00:33:20,784 --> 00:33:21,740
on your paintbrush,

929
00:33:22,776 --> 00:33:24,768
be careful where it poke you and get

930
00:33:24,768 --> 00:33:26,122
up again. Right?

931
00:33:26,934 --> 00:33:29,414
So the growth mindset version is, I didn't

932
00:33:29,414 --> 00:33:31,254
get it right the first time or the

933
00:33:31,254 --> 00:33:33,014
second time or maybe even the fifth time,

934
00:33:33,174 --> 00:33:34,634
but with more practice,

935
00:33:35,349 --> 00:33:36,468
I can master that.

936
00:33:37,587 --> 00:33:40,384
Right? And I think it's kind of like,

937
00:33:41,343 --> 00:33:43,421
I can practice yoga with someone who's been

938
00:33:43,421 --> 00:33:46,628
practicing yoga, for 20 years. And they're just

939
00:33:46,628 --> 00:33:48,543
gonna definitely at least grind through their son's

940
00:33:48,543 --> 00:33:50,776
sal irritation. And I'm gonna hu and puff

941
00:33:50,776 --> 00:33:52,211
and have to look at the teacher to

942
00:33:52,211 --> 00:33:53,328
make sure I know what I'm doing and

943
00:33:53,328 --> 00:33:54,579
think about on my body parts

944
00:33:55,254 --> 00:33:58,586
and I can't imagine that that person would

945
00:33:58,586 --> 00:33:59,856
look at me and be like,

946
00:34:00,570 --> 00:34:01,308
get out

947
00:34:02,174 --> 00:34:05,364
You're terrible at this. Right? Because they don't

948
00:34:05,364 --> 00:34:07,996
care. They're in their yoga practice doing their

949
00:34:07,996 --> 00:34:09,751
yoga thing, You know what I mean? I...

950
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:11,665
I'm am irrelevant to what's happening.

951
00:34:12,318 --> 00:34:14,551
But I might be looking at them and

952
00:34:14,551 --> 00:34:15,748
think to myself.

953
00:34:16,306 --> 00:34:19,098
Oh, god. That person so good, and I'm

954
00:34:19,098 --> 00:34:22,064
so terrible, but it's ridiculous. Isn't it? For

955
00:34:22,064 --> 00:34:24,533
me to compare myself in my first yoga

956
00:34:24,533 --> 00:34:26,068
class or even my

957
00:34:26,604 --> 00:34:28,515
2 years of a yoga to someone who's

958
00:34:28,515 --> 00:34:29,733
doing it for 20

959
00:34:30,188 --> 00:34:30,507
years.

960
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,838
You know, my 4 year old told me

961
00:34:32,838 --> 00:34:35,655
yesterday that that he knows how to drive

962
00:34:35,714 --> 00:34:37,951
because he's watched us drive, which was a

963
00:34:37,951 --> 00:34:38,451
hilarious

964
00:34:38,910 --> 00:34:40,600
conversation I then sent to him, Oh, really?

965
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,753
Do you know how to read since you've

966
00:34:42,753 --> 00:34:44,986
watched us read at which point I had

967
00:34:44,986 --> 00:34:47,139
him. But I don't what did he say?

968
00:34:47,617 --> 00:34:48,096
He was, like,

969
00:34:48,829 --> 00:34:50,345
No. And I was like, okay. So you

970
00:34:50,345 --> 00:34:51,942
don't know how to drive because I don't

971
00:34:51,942 --> 00:34:53,697
want you getting behind the car and trying

972
00:34:53,697 --> 00:34:55,932
to right do any type of wheel. Yeah.

973
00:34:57,143 --> 00:34:58,440
But anyway, so

974
00:34:58,894 --> 00:35:01,203
I think a lot of times, though, we

975
00:35:01,203 --> 00:35:03,670
have this desire that I see in him

976
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:04,705
that I think is a innate and a

977
00:35:04,705 --> 00:35:06,478
lot of people to sort of be

978
00:35:06,948 --> 00:35:08,936
at a different point at a further along

979
00:35:08,936 --> 00:35:10,526
point to say that we we we can

980
00:35:10,526 --> 00:35:11,877
do it because I I saw your drive

981
00:35:11,877 --> 00:35:12,592
so I can drive.

982
00:35:13,546 --> 00:35:15,390
I saw you do I can do Yoga.

983
00:35:15,548 --> 00:35:17,297
I saw I saw you paint this. So

984
00:35:17,695 --> 00:35:18,887
since you can do it, I can do

985
00:35:18,887 --> 00:35:19,046
it.

986
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,192
And it's like, it doesn't work that way.

987
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:23,514
There's a lot of steps in between, There's

988
00:35:23,514 --> 00:35:24,867
a lot of practice. There's a lot of

989
00:35:24,867 --> 00:35:27,175
work and things that look effortless are often

990
00:35:27,175 --> 00:35:29,643
because that person has been practicing for so

991
00:35:29,643 --> 00:35:29,962
long.

992
00:35:30,774 --> 00:35:32,927
That it's become a innate in them. Right?

993
00:35:33,644 --> 00:35:35,797
So practice is the key.

994
00:35:36,834 --> 00:35:37,073
Okay.

995
00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:39,646
Fixed mindset, my work

996
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:41,793
should speak for itself.

997
00:35:43,148 --> 00:35:44,823
I don't want to do marketing.

998
00:35:45,222 --> 00:35:46,736
And I hear a lot of people do

999
00:35:46,736 --> 00:35:49,220
various versions of this, including, like, I don't

1000
00:35:49,220 --> 00:35:51,757
wanna have to make videos and reels, and

1001
00:35:51,836 --> 00:35:54,055
I don't wanna have to, you know, do

1002
00:35:54,055 --> 00:35:55,878
blah blah blah. And the answer is fine.

1003
00:35:56,530 --> 00:35:59,670
But then you you have to understand that

1004
00:35:59,969 --> 00:36:02,210
marketing is what you wanna do if you

1005
00:36:02,210 --> 00:36:03,809
want more people to see your work. If

1006
00:36:03,809 --> 00:36:05,250
you don't want more people to see your

1007
00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:07,898
work, that's also fine, but that's just a

1008
00:36:07,898 --> 00:36:08,935
choice that you're making.

1009
00:36:09,414 --> 00:36:11,967
Right? So the growth mindset version would be

1010
00:36:11,967 --> 00:36:14,294
like, listen. Marketing my work is an important

1011
00:36:14,294 --> 00:36:15,569
part of getting my work out in the

1012
00:36:15,569 --> 00:36:16,924
world. I can learn how to do it.

1013
00:36:17,243 --> 00:36:18,838
I can hire someone else to do it.

1014
00:36:19,156 --> 00:36:21,322
I can choose not to do it. But,

1015
00:36:21,481 --> 00:36:24,262
like, that is your... You're in control of

1016
00:36:24,262 --> 00:36:26,327
that. Mh. Whether you want or not. Do

1017
00:36:26,327 --> 00:36:28,948
you have to dance on tiktok in order

1018
00:36:28,948 --> 00:36:30,617
to get people to see your art no.

1019
00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:33,045
But can you find a way

1020
00:36:33,583 --> 00:36:35,897
to make an 8 second video? You know

1021
00:36:35,897 --> 00:36:38,291
what I mean? Of you painting or drawing

1022
00:36:38,291 --> 00:36:40,538
or knit whatever if you want a little

1023
00:36:40,538 --> 00:36:43,964
more attention, Sure. You do it. That goes

1024
00:36:43,964 --> 00:36:46,058
along with if you want

1025
00:36:47,328 --> 00:36:49,406
your artwork to be part of your a

1026
00:36:49,406 --> 00:36:49,806
business.

1027
00:36:50,525 --> 00:36:52,603
You have to accept certain things about being

1028
00:36:52,603 --> 00:36:53,641
a business. I mean,

1029
00:36:54,441 --> 00:36:55,614
am I gonna just

1030
00:36:56,211 --> 00:36:57,960
sit in my house and wait for the

1031
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,493
doorbell to ring and

1032
00:37:00,265 --> 00:37:01,775
call that a business. No.

1033
00:37:02,650 --> 00:37:03,150
So

1034
00:37:04,177 --> 00:37:06,567
marketing, you don't have to market like everyone

1035
00:37:06,567 --> 00:37:07,125
else does,

1036
00:37:08,001 --> 00:37:09,537
you know, but you

1037
00:37:10,152 --> 00:37:10,652
can't

1038
00:37:11,598 --> 00:37:13,820
expect people to find you when they don't

1039
00:37:13,820 --> 00:37:14,851
even know you're there.

1040
00:37:15,565 --> 00:37:17,707
I think there's also some sort of belief

1041
00:37:17,707 --> 00:37:20,343
that some people have sometimes that marketing is

1042
00:37:20,343 --> 00:37:21,297
either, like,

1043
00:37:22,251 --> 00:37:22,751
shady

1044
00:37:23,206 --> 00:37:23,706
or,

1045
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,091
like, tricking people

1046
00:37:26,625 --> 00:37:28,613
or you know what I mean? Doing something,

1047
00:37:29,344 --> 00:37:30,798
that isn't aligned

1048
00:37:31,490 --> 00:37:33,080
with your goals, but I think, like at

1049
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,114
the end of the day,

1050
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:36,419
the best marketing is honest.

1051
00:37:37,229 --> 00:37:40,021
And the best marketing is truthful. And the

1052
00:37:40,021 --> 00:37:43,211
best marketing is just about... It's like putting

1053
00:37:43,211 --> 00:37:45,525
up a big sign that people can actually

1054
00:37:45,525 --> 00:37:46,742
read from the road

1055
00:37:47,452 --> 00:37:49,440
You know what I mean? The best marketing

1056
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,825
is saying, like, this is what I do.

1057
00:37:52,223 --> 00:37:54,131
This is who I am. I'm just trying

1058
00:37:54,131 --> 00:37:55,188
to tell you

1059
00:37:55,498 --> 00:37:57,572
that I exist so that you can find

1060
00:37:57,572 --> 00:38:00,842
me. It's not like, hey, you know, let

1061
00:38:00,842 --> 00:38:02,518
me trick you into doing this. Let me

1062
00:38:02,518 --> 00:38:04,671
trick the algorithm. Let me... I mean, I

1063
00:38:04,671 --> 00:38:06,680
think that that's a whole separate other thing.

1064
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:08,754
But I think if you really wanna think

1065
00:38:08,754 --> 00:38:10,349
about what marketing is meant to do is

1066
00:38:10,349 --> 00:38:12,981
it's just meant to bring the right people

1067
00:38:12,981 --> 00:38:15,055
that people are interested in what you have.

1068
00:38:15,548 --> 00:38:16,107
To you.

1069
00:38:17,064 --> 00:38:18,659
You know Well then you tell me that

1070
00:38:18,659 --> 00:38:20,733
once you are talking to someone who said

1071
00:38:20,733 --> 00:38:21,052
to you,

1072
00:38:22,567 --> 00:38:25,061
you don't have to change yourself

1073
00:38:25,612 --> 00:38:28,639
to make yourself somehow appealing to everyone.

1074
00:38:29,356 --> 00:38:31,427
You be yourself and the people who are

1075
00:38:31,427 --> 00:38:33,816
your natural audience will find you.

1076
00:38:34,547 --> 00:38:35,024
Absolutely.

1077
00:38:35,501 --> 00:38:37,728
And I believe that a hundred percent. It's

1078
00:38:37,728 --> 00:38:38,228
actually

1079
00:38:38,762 --> 00:38:40,273
1 of the reasons I've I started to

1080
00:38:40,273 --> 00:38:43,533
change the kind of videos that I post

1081
00:38:43,533 --> 00:38:43,771
online.

1082
00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:46,650
So for instance, I I think there are

1083
00:38:46,650 --> 00:38:48,264
a lot of people who,

1084
00:38:49,036 --> 00:38:50,172
like, watch

1085
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:54,636
let's say reels or Tiktok videos, which are

1086
00:38:54,636 --> 00:38:57,513
usually short as entertainment. Like, I watched a

1087
00:38:57,513 --> 00:38:59,112
lot of cooking videos for stuff I'm never

1088
00:38:59,112 --> 00:39:00,490
gonna make because

1089
00:39:01,124 --> 00:39:03,042
I enjoyed, like, the theater of it. Right?

1090
00:39:03,282 --> 00:39:04,481
So it doesn't matter to me that it

1091
00:39:04,481 --> 00:39:07,118
goes too fast that I couldn't actually follow

1092
00:39:07,118 --> 00:39:09,196
the instructions that they never give measurements that

1093
00:39:09,196 --> 00:39:11,683
they don't because I'm, Caught in the magic

1094
00:39:11,683 --> 00:39:14,071
of, like, the bowl turns into the this

1095
00:39:14,071 --> 00:39:15,344
turns into you what to mean? And this,

1096
00:39:15,504 --> 00:39:17,732
and it's fun and, like, the final thing

1097
00:39:17,732 --> 00:39:19,563
is dramatic and it's entertainment. Right?

1098
00:39:20,454 --> 00:39:22,206
And so I made a lot of art

1099
00:39:22,206 --> 00:39:25,632
videos like that, where it was really about,

1100
00:39:25,711 --> 00:39:28,181
like, it was almost performance art and, like,

1101
00:39:28,260 --> 00:39:30,187
things are so cool and it's not tutorial

1102
00:39:30,187 --> 00:39:31,701
and it's just for entertainment. But what I

1103
00:39:31,701 --> 00:39:33,714
found is those aren't my customer.

1104
00:39:34,170 --> 00:39:36,263
My customers is not people who are seeking

1105
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,812
entertainment. My customers is people who want to

1106
00:39:39,204 --> 00:39:41,601
talk about art and learn about art. And

1107
00:39:41,601 --> 00:39:43,859
so it's better for me to have fewer

1108
00:39:43,918 --> 00:39:44,398
views,

1109
00:39:45,676 --> 00:39:46,555
fewer likes,

1110
00:39:47,528 --> 00:39:50,717
fewer people, but the right people. And that's

1111
00:39:50,717 --> 00:39:53,269
been a mental shift too to understand that

1112
00:39:53,269 --> 00:39:55,603
you're not trying to go for the most

1113
00:39:56,393 --> 00:39:58,301
you're not trying to go for the widest

1114
00:39:58,301 --> 00:39:59,835
swath. You're trying to go for a very

1115
00:39:59,891 --> 00:40:01,958
narrow slice of pie.

1116
00:40:03,628 --> 00:40:04,446
Well, also,

1117
00:40:06,028 --> 00:40:08,193
you want people to think that you

1118
00:40:08,723 --> 00:40:11,498
know them in some way that you are

1119
00:40:11,498 --> 00:40:13,083
speaking to them in some way.

1120
00:40:13,654 --> 00:40:15,329
And if you try to speak to everybody,

1121
00:40:16,127 --> 00:40:17,962
will all get it that you aren't speaking

1122
00:40:17,962 --> 00:40:19,956
to me. I do think it

1123
00:40:20,928 --> 00:40:21,405
also,

1124
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,572
sometimes people are

1125
00:40:24,026 --> 00:40:26,670
shy to market because they feel like they're

1126
00:40:27,441 --> 00:40:27,941
self.

1127
00:40:29,204 --> 00:40:30,724
Toot your own horn too much,

1128
00:40:31,284 --> 00:40:33,605
you know, not humble, But I mean, would

1129
00:40:33,605 --> 00:40:35,065
you wanna buy something

1130
00:40:35,684 --> 00:40:38,573
from someone who's who who doesn't have anything

1131
00:40:38,573 --> 00:40:40,083
to say about it, who won't give you

1132
00:40:40,083 --> 00:40:42,014
any information about it, who,

1133
00:40:42,467 --> 00:40:44,454
you know, won't show you their face,

1134
00:40:45,743 --> 00:40:48,057
I just feel like there's a line that

1135
00:40:48,057 --> 00:40:48,796
you can

1136
00:40:49,333 --> 00:40:50,391
not go over

1137
00:40:51,407 --> 00:40:51,907
where

1138
00:40:52,858 --> 00:40:54,533
it it you don't have to turn to

1139
00:40:54,533 --> 00:40:56,607
1 of these people who says, buy it

1140
00:40:56,607 --> 00:40:58,601
now. It's, you know, the best thing that

1141
00:40:58,601 --> 00:41:00,515
ever happened. I mean, you're not selling the

1142
00:41:00,595 --> 00:41:02,190
Gin knife here. Right.

1143
00:41:02,765 --> 00:41:04,545
And you're for is not

1144
00:41:05,005 --> 00:41:06,364
not who everyone's faced.

1145
00:41:07,485 --> 00:41:09,164
Right? And you're also not the amish, you

1146
00:41:09,164 --> 00:41:10,304
think that buttons are.

1147
00:41:11,578 --> 00:41:14,524
Yeah. There you know. It's like finding that

1148
00:41:14,683 --> 00:41:16,298
Gold lock sweet spot

1149
00:41:16,833 --> 00:41:19,381
where it's not the honest, and you're not...

1150
00:41:19,793 --> 00:41:21,696
And neither are you selling your gin and

1151
00:41:21,696 --> 00:41:23,440
knives or somewhere in the middle of just

1152
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,373
talking about what authentically talking about, like, what

1153
00:41:26,373 --> 00:41:27,087
you do?

1154
00:41:28,538 --> 00:41:29,597
Okay. Next

1155
00:41:30,056 --> 00:41:30,855
fixed mindset.

1156
00:41:31,733 --> 00:41:33,592
I'm not good with technology.

1157
00:41:35,262 --> 00:41:38,690
Oh my gosh. I need people to stop

1158
00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:39,168
saying this.

1159
00:41:39,965 --> 00:41:41,878
What you've done is you've made a choice.

1160
00:41:43,088 --> 00:41:45,554
Not to understand technology, and that may sting

1161
00:41:45,554 --> 00:41:46,031
to hear,

1162
00:41:46,747 --> 00:41:47,702
but it's true.

1163
00:41:48,816 --> 00:41:50,646
The the growth mindset version is, I don't

1164
00:41:50,646 --> 00:41:52,334
know how to do that yet I can

1165
00:41:52,334 --> 00:41:54,332
take classes or seek help to become profession

1166
00:41:54,332 --> 00:41:55,631
in any kind of technology.

1167
00:41:56,010 --> 00:41:57,928
So for instance, I say things all the

1168
00:41:57,928 --> 00:42:00,166
time, that's completely untrue. I say, like I'm

1169
00:42:00,166 --> 00:42:01,260
not good at

1170
00:42:01,618 --> 00:42:03,769
you know, remembering people's names. Well, no. I'm

1171
00:42:03,769 --> 00:42:05,522
just kind of a jerk, and I like,

1172
00:42:05,681 --> 00:42:07,833
it's not a priority to me. And so

1173
00:42:07,912 --> 00:42:09,913
I don't spend a lot of time thinking

1174
00:42:09,913 --> 00:42:11,896
about... Let me remember that person's name, but

1175
00:42:11,976 --> 00:42:13,483
I do spend a lot of time thinking

1176
00:42:13,483 --> 00:42:15,545
about, you know, let me remember the name

1177
00:42:15,545 --> 00:42:16,418
of this paint color.

1178
00:42:16,989 --> 00:42:19,706
Because that's important to me. And so it's

1179
00:42:19,706 --> 00:42:21,385
like you just have to think about it

1180
00:42:21,385 --> 00:42:23,622
as if you want to be good at

1181
00:42:23,622 --> 00:42:24,122
technology,

1182
00:42:24,741 --> 00:42:25,700
you can be,

1183
00:42:26,434 --> 00:42:28,831
if it's not a priority to you, then

1184
00:42:28,831 --> 00:42:30,909
it's not a priority to you, and that's

1185
00:42:30,909 --> 00:42:31,708
okay to say too.

1186
00:42:32,348 --> 00:42:34,345
But saying I'm not good at it,

1187
00:42:35,158 --> 00:42:36,746
is just a very...

1188
00:42:37,937 --> 00:42:39,684
It puts you in a place where you're

1189
00:42:39,684 --> 00:42:40,740
somehow helpless.

1190
00:42:41,272 --> 00:42:43,575
Right. And you're asking other help me. By

1191
00:42:43,575 --> 00:42:46,129
the way, 1 way, you can do it

1192
00:42:46,129 --> 00:42:47,556
is the way I've done it, which is

1193
00:42:47,556 --> 00:42:49,697
you have 2 children whom you can call

1194
00:42:49,697 --> 00:42:52,570
a bear night and beg for help. With,

1195
00:42:52,730 --> 00:42:54,110
you know, on your technology

1196
00:42:54,489 --> 00:42:56,410
issues. A fine way to do it. A

1197
00:42:56,410 --> 00:42:57,210
fine way to do it.

1198
00:42:59,050 --> 00:43:02,598
Okay. So fixed mindset. I can't take criticism.

1199
00:43:02,816 --> 00:43:05,530
It just discourage me. Well, let's think about

1200
00:43:05,530 --> 00:43:08,097
it first in the growth mindset way. Criticism

1201
00:43:08,097 --> 00:43:10,166
of my work is not criticism of me,

1202
00:43:10,963 --> 00:43:13,032
and it's valuable feedback that could help me

1203
00:43:13,032 --> 00:43:15,340
grow and improve as an artist, and I

1204
00:43:15,340 --> 00:43:16,954
will consider everything

1205
00:43:17,901 --> 00:43:18,956
take what's useful

1206
00:43:19,329 --> 00:43:21,076
and leave the rest. Right?

1207
00:43:22,029 --> 00:43:24,649
You know, that's really key. So it's not

1208
00:43:24,649 --> 00:43:27,287
that you can't take criticism and that Criticism

1209
00:43:27,287 --> 00:43:29,042
discourage you. It's that you... In your brain,

1210
00:43:29,202 --> 00:43:30,340
you're somehow con

1211
00:43:31,036 --> 00:43:32,152
what people are saying about your work with

1212
00:43:32,152 --> 00:43:34,147
you, which is natural. It makes sense that...

1213
00:43:34,306 --> 00:43:35,742
Because we put so much for ourselves into

1214
00:43:35,742 --> 00:43:38,150
our work. But but can you make an

1215
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:41,023
effort to stop doing that? Can you make

1216
00:43:41,023 --> 00:43:43,976
an effort to, you know, take everything? I'll

1217
00:43:43,976 --> 00:43:45,264
tell you something I'm like Quick group has

1218
00:43:45,264 --> 00:43:46,453
been doing, which

1219
00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:47,800
has been really useful,

1220
00:43:48,514 --> 00:43:51,287
which is everybody gets, like, I think 10

1221
00:43:51,287 --> 00:43:53,211
or 15 minutes, To show their work and

1222
00:43:53,211 --> 00:43:55,046
have everybody's sort of talk about it.

1223
00:43:56,402 --> 00:43:59,114
But in addition, we give everybody little slips

1224
00:43:59,114 --> 00:43:59,672
of paper,

1225
00:44:00,230 --> 00:44:01,847
and everybody rights down

1226
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:03,669
whatever it is that they're thinking of.

1227
00:44:04,543 --> 00:44:06,292
So there are really like...

1228
00:44:07,086 --> 00:44:08,994
There's literally probably 10 benefits of this. Like,

1229
00:44:09,073 --> 00:44:11,554
the major benefits of this are like, that

1230
00:44:11,554 --> 00:44:14,031
1, you get some written feedback that you

1231
00:44:14,031 --> 00:44:16,049
can process later privately,

1232
00:44:16,987 --> 00:44:18,585
digest it, think about it, etcetera.

1233
00:44:19,078 --> 00:44:21,465
2, people can say things that they wouldn't

1234
00:44:21,465 --> 00:44:23,771
necessarily say out loud. And oftentimes what I

1235
00:44:23,771 --> 00:44:25,442
find is there was a very vocal person

1236
00:44:25,442 --> 00:44:27,692
during the session, but then the cards, many

1237
00:44:27,692 --> 00:44:30,009
more people say something opposite, and I wouldn't

1238
00:44:30,009 --> 00:44:30,807
have known that.

1239
00:44:31,527 --> 00:44:33,458
If not for the cards beg the very

1240
00:44:33,458 --> 00:44:35,612
vocal person often, you know, wins out in

1241
00:44:35,612 --> 00:44:38,644
that conversation. And then the third thing is

1242
00:44:38,644 --> 00:44:39,782
that it's

1243
00:44:40,973 --> 00:44:41,473
different

1244
00:44:42,170 --> 00:44:43,686
when you read it a day later.

1245
00:44:44,165 --> 00:44:45,064
It's different

1246
00:44:45,521 --> 00:44:46,878
when you look at it even like a

1247
00:44:46,878 --> 00:44:47,995
week a month later.

1248
00:44:48,649 --> 00:44:51,546
Because you have more emotional distance

1249
00:44:52,484 --> 00:44:53,922
from it. And it's even different than it

1250
00:44:53,922 --> 00:44:55,774
was, like, in my memory of it, So

1251
00:44:55,933 --> 00:44:57,927
I find it really, really useful to have

1252
00:44:57,927 --> 00:45:00,637
that, like, multi layers of feedback.

1253
00:45:01,673 --> 00:45:03,746
Another thing that you do which is good

1254
00:45:03,746 --> 00:45:06,017
is... So you try to have people

1255
00:45:06,794 --> 00:45:09,369
ask the people who are doing the critique

1256
00:45:09,746 --> 00:45:12,082
very specific questions. So

1257
00:45:12,713 --> 00:45:15,260
They're not presenting something and suddenly saying here,

1258
00:45:16,056 --> 00:45:16,772
do you like it?

1259
00:45:17,806 --> 00:45:22,060
They're saying, j is x or y successful.

1260
00:45:22,514 --> 00:45:24,979
Yeah. Do you see the, you know, z

1261
00:45:24,979 --> 00:45:28,659
and r. So I think asking specific questions

1262
00:45:28,715 --> 00:45:29,272
like that,

1263
00:45:29,924 --> 00:45:30,424
doesn't

1264
00:45:30,962 --> 00:45:34,393
leave you as vulnerable somehow, and it's a

1265
00:45:34,393 --> 00:45:36,388
good way to get into the having your

1266
00:45:36,388 --> 00:45:37,346
stuff criticized.

1267
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:40,312
I agree. And because thinking also about, like,

1268
00:45:40,472 --> 00:45:41,987
what is the feedback you want? Are you

1269
00:45:41,987 --> 00:45:44,858
just looking for praise? That's fine. You can

1270
00:45:44,858 --> 00:45:47,171
say to somebody what you like about this

1271
00:45:47,171 --> 00:45:47,411
piece?

1272
00:45:48,621 --> 00:45:50,317
You know? Are you looking

1273
00:45:50,693 --> 00:45:53,163
for... And, like, oftentimes I'll say, like, this

1274
00:45:53,163 --> 00:45:55,315
is done. I'm not gonna change anything about

1275
00:45:55,315 --> 00:45:57,567
it. But I'd love to know if you

1276
00:45:57,958 --> 00:45:59,332
think that it's

1277
00:45:59,785 --> 00:46:02,882
too crowded or if it feels joyful or

1278
00:46:02,882 --> 00:46:04,233
you know what I mean? But I like,

1279
00:46:04,391 --> 00:46:05,980
make very clear or I say something like,

1280
00:46:06,234 --> 00:46:09,025
I like this very much. I'm pleased with

1281
00:46:09,025 --> 00:46:11,179
how it turned out. I'm just not sure

1282
00:46:11,179 --> 00:46:13,014
if there's too much weight. I don't plan

1283
00:46:13,014 --> 00:46:15,167
to change anything about it, but I'm curious

1284
00:46:15,167 --> 00:46:15,805
to hear feedback.

1285
00:46:16,616 --> 00:46:18,844
That again is another way of kind of

1286
00:46:18,844 --> 00:46:20,673
protecting and then I can take that and

1287
00:46:20,673 --> 00:46:22,661
roll it into the next piece.

1288
00:46:24,033 --> 00:46:26,510
Okay. So related to this, there's fixed mindset

1289
00:46:26,510 --> 00:46:28,428
that thing that people say, which is

1290
00:46:28,907 --> 00:46:30,825
some version of, like, they just don't get

1291
00:46:30,825 --> 00:46:33,578
my work. Critics don't understand what I'm

1292
00:46:34,037 --> 00:46:36,834
about. Those people didn't know what I was

1293
00:46:36,834 --> 00:46:37,473
trying to do.

1294
00:46:38,672 --> 00:46:40,590
So that's a way of blaming them.

1295
00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:44,738
Right, for not understanding. But a a growth

1296
00:46:44,738 --> 00:46:47,757
mindset would ask the question of yourself, can

1297
00:46:47,916 --> 00:46:51,527
I find another way to explain or describe

1298
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:53,804
my work? This is like what we were

1299
00:46:53,804 --> 00:46:55,470
talking about in the morning noon to night

1300
00:46:55,470 --> 00:46:57,136
exhibit, how I was saying that the little

1301
00:46:57,136 --> 00:46:57,636
cards

1302
00:46:58,103 --> 00:47:00,717
that explained each of the pieces really helped

1303
00:47:00,717 --> 00:47:03,253
me understand what was going on in a

1304
00:47:03,253 --> 00:47:04,758
way that I couldn't just looking at it.

1305
00:47:05,249 --> 00:47:07,081
And so this is why I often hear

1306
00:47:07,081 --> 00:47:09,232
our artist complain. I'm not a writer I

1307
00:47:09,232 --> 00:47:10,507
became an artist So I didn't have to

1308
00:47:10,507 --> 00:47:12,100
write. Why do I have to write these

1309
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:14,410
statements and these and it's like, well, because...

1310
00:47:14,664 --> 00:47:16,276
People need a way into

1311
00:47:17,683 --> 00:47:18,160
your work.

1312
00:47:18,954 --> 00:47:20,328
You know? So

1313
00:47:20,782 --> 00:47:23,300
you're not a writer, but you are people

1314
00:47:23,498 --> 00:47:25,190
person who is making

1315
00:47:25,723 --> 00:47:26,200
something,

1316
00:47:26,597 --> 00:47:28,823
you know, that needs to be talked about

1317
00:47:28,823 --> 00:47:31,445
thought about? And so can you find some

1318
00:47:31,445 --> 00:47:31,842
ways,

1319
00:47:32,494 --> 00:47:35,128
that you can write in just a conversational

1320
00:47:35,128 --> 00:47:35,628
way

1321
00:47:36,324 --> 00:47:38,080
about your work about what you're doing. Can

1322
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,808
you use chat To clean it up you

1323
00:47:40,808 --> 00:47:43,679
know, can you find a way to get

1324
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:45,673
a friend to help you work it around.

1325
00:47:45,833 --> 00:47:47,528
But there are are again, creative

1326
00:47:47,906 --> 00:47:49,421
solutions to that problem?

1327
00:47:50,634 --> 00:47:52,253
I also feel that

1328
00:47:52,631 --> 00:47:54,070
you have to give to get.

1329
00:47:54,789 --> 00:47:55,188
M,

1330
00:47:55,907 --> 00:47:57,127
if you're not gonna

1331
00:47:57,586 --> 00:47:58,086
participate.

1332
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:00,570
Open yourself up a little bit

1333
00:48:01,581 --> 00:48:03,411
and gives also some critique,

1334
00:48:04,206 --> 00:48:05,454
then people don't

1335
00:48:05,972 --> 00:48:09,080
feel comfortable doing it back. So then what's

1336
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,630
the point? Mh. It's a conversation.

1337
00:48:12,347 --> 00:48:14,757
Yeah. Yeah. I think Art is almost always

1338
00:48:14,757 --> 00:48:17,474
a conversation with the viewer. Where they're bringing

1339
00:48:17,474 --> 00:48:19,552
their stuff to it, and I'm bringing my

1340
00:48:19,552 --> 00:48:20,910
stuff to it. The same is, like,

1341
00:48:22,042 --> 00:48:23,396
you could say...

1342
00:48:23,795 --> 00:48:25,388
So years and years and years ago I

1343
00:48:25,388 --> 00:48:26,105
went to therapy.

1344
00:48:26,742 --> 00:48:27,959
And I

1345
00:48:28,748 --> 00:48:30,417
started out with a therapist who been recommended

1346
00:48:30,417 --> 00:48:33,197
to me, and I shared a very upsetting

1347
00:48:33,197 --> 00:48:34,786
email I had gotten from my father.

1348
00:48:35,740 --> 00:48:38,221
Started and she was like,

1349
00:48:38,857 --> 00:48:41,005
could not see it as upsetting, refused to

1350
00:48:41,005 --> 00:48:42,698
see it upsetting, made me

1351
00:48:43,010 --> 00:48:45,730
acted like I was over reacting to it.

1352
00:48:46,289 --> 00:48:48,210
And what I realized is she wasn't the

1353
00:48:48,210 --> 00:48:50,449
right therapist for me because either I was

1354
00:48:50,449 --> 00:48:51,890
unable to communicate the baggage,

1355
00:48:52,543 --> 00:48:54,850
how, like, yes. That's a normal sounding sentence.

1356
00:48:55,089 --> 00:48:57,714
I agree. But but not from this man

1357
00:48:57,714 --> 00:48:59,146
on in this occasion. Right?

1358
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:02,996
And she couldn't understand that or I couldn't

1359
00:49:02,996 --> 00:49:04,195
communicate it, And I was like, this is

1360
00:49:04,195 --> 00:49:06,112
not a good fit, and I stopped seeing

1361
00:49:06,112 --> 00:49:07,711
her, and I started seeing somebody else who

1362
00:49:07,711 --> 00:49:11,233
immediately was able to to listen and understand

1363
00:49:11,233 --> 00:49:12,983
about why it was upset and understand that

1364
00:49:12,983 --> 00:49:15,689
it came with baggage. Right? So just like

1365
00:49:15,689 --> 00:49:18,958
everything else who there's a conversation, everybody brings

1366
00:49:18,958 --> 00:49:19,775
their own

1367
00:49:20,148 --> 00:49:22,606
perspective, their baggage to what you're showing. If

1368
00:49:22,606 --> 00:49:24,113
you show a picture of a woman,

1369
00:49:24,603 --> 00:49:26,825
and she looks like someone in that person's

1370
00:49:26,825 --> 00:49:28,436
life, they have a different

1371
00:49:28,809 --> 00:49:30,554
interpretation of it than if she's a stranger.

1372
00:49:30,951 --> 00:49:32,379
You know? That's just the way that it

1373
00:49:32,379 --> 00:49:32,617
is.

1374
00:49:33,507 --> 00:49:36,375
Okay. The final fixed mindset statement that I

1375
00:49:36,375 --> 00:49:38,707
am turning around here is

1376
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,871
I've always done it this way.

1377
00:49:42,524 --> 00:49:44,358
Sometimes you've always done it that way, and

1378
00:49:44,358 --> 00:49:46,191
that's the... Because you don't know any other

1379
00:49:46,191 --> 00:49:48,264
way. Sometimes you've always done this way because

1380
00:49:48,264 --> 00:49:50,177
it works every time and you just want

1381
00:49:50,177 --> 00:49:52,107
it to work. You know, there are lots

1382
00:49:52,107 --> 00:49:53,783
of reasons why you've always done it this

1383
00:49:53,783 --> 00:49:56,497
way. But growth mindset is saying I'm curious

1384
00:49:56,497 --> 00:49:58,972
to explore new techniques and methodologies to see

1385
00:49:58,972 --> 00:50:01,610
how they can and pants my work. Right?

1386
00:50:01,848 --> 00:50:03,356
I'm owing to the new. I... So I

1387
00:50:03,356 --> 00:50:04,706
just... We just read a book club, the

1388
00:50:04,785 --> 00:50:06,928
Rick Rubin books or Creative acts. And 1

1389
00:50:06,928 --> 00:50:08,198
of the things that he talks about in

1390
00:50:08,198 --> 00:50:10,522
map book I think is really true is

1391
00:50:10,522 --> 00:50:13,071
he says, like, every now and then, no

1392
00:50:13,071 --> 00:50:14,505
matter what it is that you've been doing

1393
00:50:14,505 --> 00:50:16,433
working, and you're the most success that full

1394
00:50:16,433 --> 00:50:18,427
singer song in the world,

1395
00:50:19,464 --> 00:50:20,581
you need to do the opposite.

1396
00:50:22,176 --> 00:50:23,771
You need to just do the opposite. You

1397
00:50:23,771 --> 00:50:25,526
need you to just see where that leads

1398
00:50:25,526 --> 00:50:25,765
you.

1399
00:50:26,338 --> 00:50:28,648
You know, you need to try something that's

1400
00:50:28,648 --> 00:50:29,944
very far away

1401
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,755
from what it is that you're doing.

1402
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:33,029
Okay?

1403
00:50:33,985 --> 00:50:34,622
Sense for me.

1404
00:50:35,674 --> 00:50:37,911
Yeah. And I think it's really true. I

1405
00:50:37,911 --> 00:50:38,071
mean,

1406
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:40,068
as you can sort of hear from all

1407
00:50:40,068 --> 00:50:41,986
the examples that we've been giving, those are

1408
00:50:41,986 --> 00:50:42,864
the grown mindset,

1409
00:50:43,198 --> 00:50:46,566
growth mindset tend to embrace challenges and persist

1410
00:50:46,783 --> 00:50:47,602
despite setbacks.

1411
00:50:48,137 --> 00:50:50,703
And conversely, those are the fixed my may

1412
00:50:50,703 --> 00:50:53,340
limit their potential by adhering to familiar methods

1413
00:50:53,340 --> 00:50:56,536
and resisting change. And by cultivating a growth

1414
00:50:56,536 --> 00:50:59,996
mindset and you can unlock your full artistic

1415
00:51:00,610 --> 00:51:03,711
potential. You know, it applies to organizations too,

1416
00:51:05,460 --> 00:51:06,755
which is why they

1417
00:51:07,625 --> 00:51:08,125
often

1418
00:51:08,505 --> 00:51:09,324
want to

1419
00:51:09,704 --> 00:51:10,204
overturn

1420
00:51:10,585 --> 00:51:11,085
or

1421
00:51:11,625 --> 00:51:14,424
add on some different board members or drawn

1422
00:51:14,424 --> 00:51:16,758
from a different group. We... I'm I was

1423
00:51:16,758 --> 00:51:19,467
doing a strategic planning session the other day

1424
00:51:19,467 --> 00:51:22,733
with an organization. And when they divided us

1425
00:51:22,733 --> 00:51:25,043
up into sections to work on different parts

1426
00:51:25,043 --> 00:51:25,681
of the plan,

1427
00:51:26,811 --> 00:51:28,826
1 of the things was they took

1428
00:51:29,362 --> 00:51:32,173
the 3 people who were already doing

1429
00:51:32,949 --> 00:51:33,666
this task.

1430
00:51:34,398 --> 00:51:35,831
And they put them all together in the

1431
00:51:35,831 --> 00:51:37,446
same group. And I suggested

1432
00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:40,689
would they consider having at least 1 of

1433
00:51:40,689 --> 00:51:42,622
those people swap out with someone

1434
00:51:43,331 --> 00:51:45,423
from a different group who is not currently

1435
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:48,288
engage in that task so that a new

1436
00:51:48,345 --> 00:51:50,574
way of thinking or looking at it. Mh.

1437
00:51:50,812 --> 00:51:52,267
Could happen. And I think

1438
00:51:52,579 --> 00:51:54,652
that's the same thing, but on a on

1439
00:51:54,652 --> 00:51:57,785
an organizational basis. You want to make sure

1440
00:51:58,561 --> 00:51:59,061
that

1441
00:52:00,315 --> 00:52:01,454
there's an open

1442
00:52:02,484 --> 00:52:05,830
an open window for some new ideas to

1443
00:52:05,830 --> 00:52:06,308
come in.

1444
00:52:07,025 --> 00:52:08,242
And and I think

1445
00:52:08,619 --> 00:52:11,646
that's the way you keep an organization striving

1446
00:52:11,646 --> 00:52:11,885
too.

1447
00:52:12,458 --> 00:52:12,777
Mh.

1448
00:52:13,336 --> 00:52:15,808
I think that people sometimes think that diversity

1449
00:52:15,808 --> 00:52:16,707
and inclusion

1450
00:52:17,084 --> 00:52:17,584
means

1451
00:52:18,201 --> 00:52:19,715
be somebody being a different race than you,

1452
00:52:19,875 --> 00:52:21,684
and that's the only definition of what that

1453
00:52:21,884 --> 00:52:24,276
can possibly mean. But I think it's also,

1454
00:52:24,435 --> 00:52:26,190
like, differences in perspective.

1455
00:52:26,748 --> 00:52:28,581
Differences in a bill it. Like, there's a

1456
00:52:28,581 --> 00:52:30,710
lot of ways to have a diverse I

1457
00:52:30,909 --> 00:52:31,806
group of people

1458
00:52:32,262 --> 00:52:34,490
look at something. And I think that it's

1459
00:52:34,490 --> 00:52:34,888
important,

1460
00:52:35,366 --> 00:52:36,719
that's 1 of the reasons it's so important

1461
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,266
right? To have all those different perspectives is

1462
00:52:39,266 --> 00:52:41,826
because people come at things from different directions,

1463
00:52:42,064 --> 00:52:44,447
and that makes for something that's better and

1464
00:52:44,447 --> 00:52:45,321
stronger in the end.

1465
00:52:45,957 --> 00:52:48,102
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1478
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1479
00:53:12,968 --> 00:53:15,120
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1480
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,848
I'm... Super excited for it.

1481
00:53:19,285 --> 00:53:19,785
So

1482
00:53:20,322 --> 00:53:22,876
any last thoughts, mom, While we sign off.

1483
00:53:24,168 --> 00:53:25,207
Just about drained.

1484
00:53:26,246 --> 00:53:28,164
I'm a mere hu of myself now.

1485
00:53:29,043 --> 00:53:30,800
Well, I am in a growth mindset, and

1486
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,629
I'm excited to open myself up to lots

1487
00:53:34,629 --> 00:53:37,090
of new opportunities out of Failure, I am

1488
00:53:37,090 --> 00:53:39,949
a Phoenix rising from the ashes. And if

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