1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,560 This is the Art Beauty podcast, where we are always reaching for truth 2 00:00:04,560 --> 00:00:05,400 in beauty. 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,440 Remember, this podcast is not sponsored, which means that the brands 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,320 and the people who are on here are not paying to be here. 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,440 So we can ask them the questions that we know you want the answers for 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,200 because you deserve to be informed so you can make the best choices 7 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:18,600 for yourself. 8 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:23,840 With that said, I'm Amber, and my fabulous co-host today is friend of the show, Dr. 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:24,840 Corey L Hartman. 10 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,200 He is a board certified dermatologist. 11 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,520 We did a fabulous podcast together on the Daxxify, which is news. 12 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,440 If you haven't checked that out, make sure to go check that out. 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:35,840 And how are you doing, Doctor? 14 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,960 Dr. Hartman welcome to the show. 15 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,000 I'm doing well. 16 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,480 Just in the swing of things, trying to get spring out of here. 17 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:43,200 And some are on the way. 18 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:44,880 I mean a mean to that. 19 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,280 It feels like it's taken forever here in New York, 20 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,320 but I feel like it's we're on we're almost there. 21 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:51,240 We're really close. 22 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,320 I'm really excited, you know? 23 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,360 And speaking of summer, one of the things that we were talking about today, which 24 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,880 I think so many people deal with, is hyperpigmentation. 25 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,200 So let's just jump into it because I feel like we have so much to say. 26 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,040 What are the causes of Hyperpigmentation? 27 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,080 So Hyperpigmentation is the darkening of the skin 28 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,880 and they can occur after any inflammatory condition. 29 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,880 That's probably the most common reason that people have it. 30 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,880 So think about acne, eczema, seborrheic dermatitis, 31 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,120 any of those conditions that can affect this getting caused 32 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,240 to be inflamed can leave behind hyperpigmentation. 33 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,440 And that's that uneven skin tone that we don't like. 34 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,080 However, there are other conditions that fall 35 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,920 under hyperpigmentation that are a little bit more specific, 36 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,800 and some of those can be impacted also by hormones 37 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,840 and sunlight and heat. 38 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,360 So while the inflammation is the underlying force, 39 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,400 these outside factors can also have an impact. 40 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,880 So when we talk about other different types, is that like like melasma? 41 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,240 I mean, is it just kind of like these dark spots like that I have here? 42 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,200 I mean, is there a way to tell the difference 43 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,040 between different types of Hyperpigmentation? 44 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:09,400 Melasma is definitely the medical condition of Hyperpigmentation 45 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,160 that affects the most people and is the most psychologically, you know, 46 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,000 emotionally damaging, I would say, because you really can't cure it. 47 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,880 But you can certainly manage it to the point that you can feel good about it. 48 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,440 You can look at it. 49 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,400 We're trained to look at it, to tell. 50 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,480 We describe it as a laser like hyper pigmented patch. 51 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:33,040 So that means you shouldn't feel anything if you run your hand across the skin 52 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,440 and it doesn't just exist as one, you know, brown spot. 53 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,480 It's kind of like this little wavy, lacy 54 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:45,040 looking hyperpigmentation that affects generally the skin 55 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,440 that's most susceptible to sunlight exposure and UV exposure. 56 00:02:49,640 --> 00:02:51,600 So we see it most on the face. 57 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,920 We see it mostly in women, but men can get it too. 58 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,480 You can also get it on the arms. 59 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:01,920 It's just not as common and it is definitely affected by the big three. 60 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:04,920 So hormones, which women deal with their whole lives, 61 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,280 sunlight, everybody kind of knows about those too. 62 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,240 But the other one is heat. 63 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,800 So if you're in hot environments or if you are participating in, 64 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,560 you know, activities that put you under a lot of heat, 65 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,680 like I do like hot yoga, that's going to impact it as well 66 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,520 because it affects the level of inflammation in the skin. 67 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,520 And we now know this is kind of like new information 68 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,840 that inflammation also drives Melasma. 69 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:31,080 Wow. Okay. 70 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,080 So just to be clear, when you were talking about the big three, that 71 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,280 the last thing we talked about was specific to Melasma. 72 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,080 I mean, they also call that sort of the mask of pregnancy, right? 73 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,080 And that's because women's hormones, like you would mentioned, kind of go away. 74 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,560 But but I've heard it is tougher to treat than your, 75 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,760 you know, regular, you know, quote unquote, hyperpigmentation. 76 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,760 That's maybe sun damage related, correct? 77 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:54,760 For sure. 78 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,440 Well, think about those three things. 79 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,320 You know, if you're not adequately 80 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,200 protecting yourself from the sun with a good like minerals sunscreen, 81 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,960 maybe even with iron oxides like a tint taking a supplement or, 82 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,800 you know, controlling your hormones as best you can, those are factors 83 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,200 that are just going to be present in our lives no matter what. 84 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,040 So even when you're doing your best and doing everything that you can, you 85 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,200 have these constant 86 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,800 triggers that can keep the melasma moving. 87 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,600 So the first thing I tell patients when they come into the office 88 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,720 for treatment of Melasma is I can help you get it better. 89 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,280 If we do everything and you stop everything, it's going to come back. 90 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:32,160 Right? 91 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,600 That's kind of disheartening, but it puts you in the frame of reference 92 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,600 to know that you'll have to do something to maintain it. 93 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,880 The good news is that the maintenance is not nearly 94 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,880 as onerous as the treatment. 95 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,520 Oh, okay. Good to know. 96 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,440 So let's talk about the maintenance and, you know, sticking again in the melasma 97 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,560 first and then we can address other types of Hyperpigmentation. 98 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:55,080 Sure. 99 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,920 So there are many ways to control Melasma The first thing 100 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,200 obviously is going to be good sun protection 101 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,160 and some sort of retinol vitamin C, 102 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,760 those are things that are kind of like the basics of any good skin care regimen. 103 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,720 And they're also going to form the fundamentals of a good regimen to control. 104 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,720 Hyperpigmentation specifically Melasma 105 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,080 you want to use some kind of lightning agent. 106 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,960 And there are so many great products out now that don't contain 107 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,080 hydroquinone, which is always been thought of as the gold standard. 108 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,240 Hydroquinone has some potential problems and we know that even 109 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,440 when it's considered to be safe, it's not always 110 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,760 something that you want to use long term all the time as a crutch. 111 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,320 It is very, I tell patients it very crudely lightened skin. 112 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,680 But the problem isn't just the dark spots. 113 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,760 The problem that bothers us when we get these discolored, 114 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,720 discolored spots is the fact that our skin is not even right. 115 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,920 So our goal is really to achieve an even complexion. 116 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:57,440 Hydroquinone can be a part of that, but thank God there's so many new products 117 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,080 that are not only safer but more effective at helping us 118 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,640 to achieve a natural looking, even complexion. 119 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:06,000 You know what? 120 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,600 I was going to wait to the products till the end, 121 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,880 but since we're on a roll here and speaking of even I know that Skin 122 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,120 Medica has a very exciting new line the evening correct line. 123 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,640 So is this something that 124 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,000 you are using at home or recommending to patients at home to treat 125 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,160 both Melasma and then other types of hyperpigmentation. 126 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:27,960 Using it at home, personally 127 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,840 using it in the office every single day, seeing really good results with it. 128 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,080 You know, just full disclosure, I was involved with Skin Medica 129 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,400 in the launch of the products, but everybody who knows me 130 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,400 knows that I'm not going to get behind something that I don't really believe in 131 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,320 and that I haven't tried for myself. 132 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,280 So this line is so exciting 133 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:51,920 because it offers real ingredients that are formulated in a way that can be 134 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:56,160 as effective as hyper hydroquinone without the side effects. 135 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,800 And that I love that. Yeah. 136 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,600 So let's let's talk about it. 137 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,680 How does this collection address hyper pigmentation? 138 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:07,040 Okay, so there are three products in the line 139 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,720 and then there's another separate product that's used in conjunction 140 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:15,240 with a microdermabrasion procedure that skin medica also promotes. 141 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:15,960 But okay. 142 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,080 Three products are the brightening pads. 143 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,360 So that's like a pledge yet. There you go. 144 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,320 And you know, wipe down with that twice a day. 145 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,960 And this is going to be your like sort of like exfoliating. 146 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,280 Right. So eventually. 147 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:30,640 Heads Exactly. 148 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,640 They contain glycolic acid, 10% 149 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,840 glycolic acid is high alpha hydroxy acid, but it's very hydrating. 150 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,920 So it's very well tolerated by all skin types. 151 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,480 And you can use it in a way that won't interrupt other. 152 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:45,520 Right. 153 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,200 You know, more I guess harsher hydroxy acids 154 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,560 cause more of a reaction that you're going to see on a day to day basis. 155 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,240 But these really you can use 156 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,240 and incorporate into the regimen relatively easily. 157 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:57,600 Okay. 158 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,560 The other ingredient that they include is something called LC RN, 159 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,880 which is a complex that skin medica has developed as a proprietary ingredient. 160 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,520 The magic is in the the l the lotus sprout extract. 161 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,360 So the lotus flower, the sprout of the lotus flower 162 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,800 has a particular phytochemical 163 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,680 ingredient that when harvested at a particular time 164 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:27,800 in the gestation of the lotus flower, is known to help with hyperpigmentation. 165 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,480 And it does it in a way that we haven't been able to do before. 166 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,560 So all the there's so many different, you know, enzymes 167 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:39,760 related to the degradation of, of, of hyper being, of pigment and melanin. 168 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,760 But the one aspect that we hadn't been able to 169 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,680 affect before was the degradation of the Mylanta. 170 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:49,080 So the Mylanta. 171 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,000 So it's just the skin cell that holds the pigment. 172 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,640 So when you make that go away 173 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,120 and make it go, you know, die out, then there goes the pigment. 174 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:58,960 So that was the missing component. 175 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,480 So that's the lotus brown extract, that's L, the T is try and exhibit 176 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:09,240 transgenic acid, which we all know as a potent hyperpigmentation 177 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,160 hypo pigmented agent that can be used for hyperpigmentation. 178 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,160 Now, historically, transgenic acid 179 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,520 has only been available as high as two or 3%, and this 180 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:22,320 line of 181 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,640 products takes it up to as much as 6%. Wow. 182 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,240 Do we need to talk about the the origin of why we know transgenic acid works? 183 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,280 No. I mean, yeah, let's get into it. 184 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:33,360 Of course. 185 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,240 So this is the topical version? 186 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:35,920 Yeah. 187 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,440 Simec acid was originally discovered to be helpful for Melasma 188 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,880 and Hyperpigmentation when it was given as an oral medication 189 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:49,000 to patients with heavy periods to help them control their periods. 190 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,400 Because not only is it a hyper pigment hyperpigmentation 191 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,760 agent, lightning agent, but it also helps to clot. 192 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,080 So if you have a heavy period, you want to stop that blood flow. 193 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,240 So that's why they were giving it to those ladies. 194 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,240 But they noticed, hey, your melasma looks fantastic. 195 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,400 So the oral medication is available, 196 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,880 but it has risks and you can't use it all the time. 197 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,280 Okay. Get your melasma under control. 198 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,480 I reserve it for severe significant cases that are just recalcitrant 199 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,720 to other treatments is great in those cases. 200 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,560 And even then I only like it for three months at a time. 201 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,480 So in very severe melasma we want to use it 202 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,320 maybe a couple of times a year, but it's nice to have a fallback 203 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,680 as a topical that doesn't have the side effects. 204 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:35,200 So okay. 205 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,160 And I do want to ask that now really quickly, 206 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,000 sort of a sidebar here, because you mentioned that 207 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,880 this sort of has a clotting factor Like is it are people topically, 208 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,080 are there people who should not be using tranexamic acid topically? 209 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,920 Absolutely no problem. Okay. 210 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:49,920 There's no risk. 211 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,280 It's just been a penetration issue and a concentration issue. 212 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:53,760 Okay. 213 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,120 Now, addressing that with this higher concentration so topically. 214 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,800 But that's why we know transgenic acid is great. 215 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,200 So that's nice to see. 216 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,400 So l t in the end is niacinamide. 217 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:04,920 Yeah. 218 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,120 Now remember I just told you that the missing ingredient 219 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:14,160 or the missing factor in why people get melasma was inflammation. 220 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,760 And we just discovered that a few years ago. 221 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,520 So Niacinamide, you know, had its moment a few years ago in the media 222 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,560 where we all realize how great it was to help calm down inflammation. 223 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:28,040 So why not add an element of anti-inflammatory effect 224 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,280 to this complex so that it can all kind of work together? 225 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,040 So that's the Eltamd complex in all three products. 226 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,880 That's a common thread that goes through all three products 227 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,120 and they have different concentrate ions of the 228 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,920 and so the brightening pads have lost 2%, I believe. 229 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,200 And let's move on to the serum. Okay. 230 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,520 So this serum is think of this one. 231 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,520 If you are familiar with Skin medica and they're 232 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,320 innovative, groundbreaking product like Tera, 233 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,240 which was the first on the market, I believe. 234 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,160 I loved Terra. 235 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,280 Yes. This is like like Tera on steroids. 236 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,200 It's like super like Terra. 237 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,800 So it took it up to 6%. 238 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,800 It's very hydrating, very moisturizing. 239 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,000 But it also contains higher concentrations of the lighter, 240 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,040 and it has some other herbal ingredients in it as well that help with, 241 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,200 you know, hyperpigmentation and inflammation. 242 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,320 So that's probably the marquee product in the line. 243 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:25,840 It has that nice satiny finish. 244 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:30,000 It gives good hydration and that when we want to use twice a day 245 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,960 and I want to just add here that none of these products has to be 246 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,840 used in a very specific manner on dark spots, only. 247 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:38,680 Okay. 248 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:41,560 The first two that we talked about, you can use it all over 249 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:45,440 and you don't have to worry about that hypo pigmented halo that 250 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:48,920 Hydroquinone can give you if you're not very careful. 251 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,920 It just evens out your skin tone, which is what we all really want. 252 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,520 Before we get on to the third product. 253 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,840 You know, when we're using this like a who is this right for? 254 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,560 So is this really if you are suffering from severe or, 255 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,520 you know, I mean, I feel like we all kind of want better looking skin. 256 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:09,240 We all have some sort of damage or so this is for everybody can use it. 257 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,280 Yeah, Melasma of course we want to use it for that. 258 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,120 But there are people who just have, you know, what I call chronic photo damage 259 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,320 where they have like this, these little brown spots. 260 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,120 You kind of alluded to it exactly. 261 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,480 They creep in on you before you know it and they contribute to, 262 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,240 you know, a complexion that's not totally even. 263 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,080 So, it can help with all those led 264 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,760 to those and chronic photo damage and all of that. 265 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,720 Cumulative signs of sun that even if you're careful, 266 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,720 you're going to probably experience to some degree. 267 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,680 So is this like a collection that you're kind of recommending like 268 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:45,960 pretty much every day? Every day. 269 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:46,520 And you have. 270 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,480 Representation if you have. 271 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,840 Perrie Oral Hyper pigment of misery. 272 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,000 Perrie Orbital hyperpigmentation around the eyes. 273 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:55,480 That's a huge problem. 274 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,480 I do tons of work in that space every day. 275 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,480 We use fillers, we use PR P, we use lasers, 276 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,400 but a topical regimen is important and that skin is not only sometimes 277 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,480 more effective with the darkness, but it's also very sensitive. 278 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,760 So I just use anything and that's why I really love 279 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,120 using these products because they're easy to incorporate 280 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,560 because they just don't cause any inflammation. 281 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,440 And I guess, you know, because you're already getting your 282 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,960 you've got the glycolic acid with the peel. 283 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,600 You don't need to add a retinoid on to this. 284 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:29,200 Right. So is it 285 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,040 is this kind of like your two step skincare system and you're good to go? 286 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:34,360 Well, let's talk about the third one. 287 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,440 Oh, and the third one, the thermal. 288 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:40,760 Yeah, because the third one has a lower concentration of the and but still high. 289 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,400 But it also contains vitamin C, 290 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,760 NIACINAMIDE retinoic acid 291 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,080 and it has a one other delta X complex. 292 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,000 So it kind of has all the things that we have always thought 293 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,000 about as being good for hyperpigmentation 294 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,960 packaged in one stable, you know, product 295 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,720 that packs a powerful punch without any inflammation. 296 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,160 And I really like that one because it's like a satiny finish. 297 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:17,040 So even somebody like me with oily skin can use it and it does very well. 298 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,120 But this is just to be meant to like on the dark spot itself. 299 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,960 Exactly. That one's meant to be more on. 300 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:28,200 And I say in the area of the dark spot, you don't have to be as specific 301 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,160 as you have to be with Hydroquinone if you, you know, get it outside of that 302 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,240 area, it's not going to cause an unnatural appearance. 303 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,480 It will kind of lighten everything to the same degree 304 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,360 because nothing is too high concentration in there. 305 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:42,920 That's gorgeous, by the way. 306 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,240 I really it's like such a beautiful like you. 307 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,040 You nailed it like a like a matte satin finish. 308 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,440 You know, you have made reference a number of times. 309 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,960 Oh, well, Siri is jumping in here. Excuse me. 310 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,840 You've made, you know, a number of references to yourself using it. 311 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,080 And I'd like to take a moment to really address, you know, 312 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,240 different skin tones, skin types, because I know that in the past, 313 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,760 like hyperpigmentation can affect races very differently, correct? 314 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,720 Absolutely. Yeah. 315 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,040 Yeah. It's really funny. 316 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,240 You know, there have been studies that show that people are more bothered 317 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,240 by an uneven skin tone than they are even by wrinkles. 318 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:19,320 Yeah. 319 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,320 And what drives a lot of patients to seek treatment for their acne 320 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:28,080 or their eczema despite the inflammation and discomfort that it can bring to 321 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,040 them, is the fact that their skin is not even I can't tell you how many times 322 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:37,440 I've had to convince the patient that their dark spots, yes, we can help 323 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,720 you treat those, but we really need to get the inflammation under control. 324 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,080 So let's get these breakouts under control 325 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,480 because otherwise you're just always feeding the hyperpigmentation 326 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,520 and then, you know, you're not really getting to the root of the problem. 327 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:55,080 So that has always been a top concern and that drives, you know, 328 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,240 Melanie added people in to see the dermatologist, 329 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,560 and it provides us an opportunity to just educate them 330 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,760 about the importance of, you know, addressing other skin conditions as well. 331 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:06,760 I love that. 332 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,480 And we did a fabulous podcast, If you didn't check this out on 333 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,200 for Common Skin concerns with Bipoc Women. 334 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:14,200 So if you are listening 335 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,800 and then if you are interested in that, I suggest you go check that out. 336 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,520 You know, I have AIDS, My mother's Korean. 337 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,720 I know I don't really look at, but I deal with Asians in an Asian 338 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,960 skin is really tricky when it comes to Hyperpigmentation as well. 339 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,320 But so, you know, circling back on this, you would say that 340 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,160 this is good for all skin types, tones, Everybody can use. 341 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,280 It is everybody can use it. 342 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:37,920 I think you're 343 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,720 going to find your rhythm in it, you know, like I did with oily skin. 344 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,480 I tend to like the dark spot cream. 345 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,760 And I may use that a little more liberally because I like the finish 346 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,080 and I like the way it plays with my particular, you know, skin type. 347 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,800 So I tend I have all three, but I tend to use the dark 348 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,800 spot cream and the brightening pads more regularly. 349 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,280 Then I pull out the serums personally. 350 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,720 So how do they play with other products? Right? 351 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,560 Because I know a lot of the people who are listening. 352 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:05,880 We've got 353 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,440 I mean, you know, I work with Newbeauty, 354 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,040 so my bathroom is like a Sephora, essentially. 355 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,120 But how do they play with other products 356 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:16,120 and is there anything we should not be using with this? 357 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,880 You know, they really play well with with a lot of things I use more than this. 358 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:21,800 I just say that 359 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,680 and I don't have any issues. 360 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,680 You know, I even I'm like a double retinol kind of person, 361 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,560 like prescription at night and something lighter in the morning 362 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,560 and a combination product to help control breakouts. 363 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,360 And I haven't had any issues at all because I'm a little oilier, you know, 364 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:43,320 I tend to keep some of the heavier duty stuff at night so that I'm not walking out 365 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:44,880 looking too too shiny. 366 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:45,880 But with that 367 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,440 matte finish in the dark spot cream, it gives me exactly what I need before 368 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,640 I put my sunscreen on. 369 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,480 So I haven't had any issues. 370 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,480 They the products don't pill. 371 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,480 You know, they I don't wear makeup, but 372 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,480 I haven't heard from any of my patients that I recommended it to, 373 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,920 that they've had any issues applying it and then applying their makeup on top. 374 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,280 So, no, it's beautiful. 375 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,200 I mean, especially that spot treatment. 376 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,200 Like you said, it does have that super satiny texture. 377 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,600 You know, I just want to state this for everybody who's watching. 378 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,800 I mean, I think it's a pretty much of a given. 379 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,920 But if you were using these products, 380 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,400 if you're suffering from any type of hyperpigmentation 381 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,960 and actually know everybody, I mean, make this blanket statement, 382 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,560 you should be wearing SPF every day, correct? 383 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,640 1,000%. I mean, you're so elegant now. 384 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:31,920 There's so many options. 385 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,720 I know that in the past they weren't all the best for all people. 386 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,160 But there are so many options now you can find one that works for you. 387 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:40,200 I tell people. 388 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:40,480 It's a. 389 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,440 Very personal decision, so I get it if you have to play around with them 390 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,760 because any little thing can throw it off the smell, 391 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,040 the way that it goes with your makeup, you know, all these things. 392 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,600 So you have to really, really love it. 393 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,320 But once you find that one, just commit. 394 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,960 Is there one that you love that you can share with us? 395 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,280 Okay. So I'm going to be honest with you. 396 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,680 The one that I've been wearing since last year, movement to London 397 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,920 is a European filter that's not available in America. 398 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:09,600 It's a la Roche-posay. 399 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,160 I know it's the oil sheen. 400 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,920 Like oil sign control, 401 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,000 but if I have to choose a mineral sunscreen, there are so many good options. 402 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,800 There's the IS in RF, it's on Tenneco, which I love. 403 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,080 It's great for people who hate sunscreen. 404 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,560 The Supergoop mineral. 405 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,160 I'm a mineral kind of guy. 406 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,360 That mineral one is fantastic. 407 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:29,960 And I'm going to let you all know a little secret. 408 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,160 This is about to launch right now. I had an advanced, 409 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:36,360 you know, sample of its color science. 410 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:39,160 They have a new product called No Show. 411 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,800 It shows nothing and protects from everything is the tagline. 412 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,360 And I think that's just brilliant 413 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:48,080 because it goes on, totally disappears and it keeps you covered. 414 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,160 So look for that one. 415 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,360 That one's coming out like right now. 416 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:55,880 I love that, you know, I haven't tried the is and I will be going to Europe 417 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,720 and I will be looking for that La Roche-posay you know, it's such a bummer. 418 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,320 They get they get all their stuff there 419 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,320 that we don't get, you know, a lot of the time it's because 420 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,400 from what I've heard, I'm not the expert here, but from what I've heard, it's 421 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,760 because getting that SPF rating in the United States is so tough. 422 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,400 So a lot of products, you know, I talked to a brand which I can't imagine 423 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,360 who was like, actually, it's the exact same formulation. 424 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:19,560 We just can't list that it has. 425 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,280 The SPF in it here in the US, we can in your neck. 426 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:24,560 We can't here. 427 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,240 But they were like the formula that we sell here does have the SPF in it. 428 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,080 We're just not allowed to say it. 429 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,960 So I listen, I believe 430 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,680 the whole FDA like sunscreen thing is in such a shambles right now. 431 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,560 I think they're trying to get it together 432 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,080 because we want to be able to like, believe what we hear. 433 00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:40,800 Yeah, I. 434 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:45,240 Do appreciate them for being cautious about certain ingredients, But, 435 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,360 you know, there's not a lot of science always to back up the fact 436 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:51,600 that some of them can be harmful or dangerous. 437 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,600 And I think we're just always 15 years behind. 438 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,600 I got to say, too, I'm loving Ty Zo 439 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:58,680 Great. 440 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,680 I always forget about Ty, so I'm glad 441 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,080 I know what comes around. 442 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,280 They don't like send me stuff to keep it on mine, but that one is awesome. 443 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,600 I'm going to make a call for you, right? 444 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,160 I know. I appreciate that. 445 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:11,800 I will. 446 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,080 I'm going to do that right after this 447 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,080 because I was on my girl, Amanda, and I actually just saw her yesterday. 448 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,360 Ty, Zo, Tiso, Ty. 449 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:19,000 So I love it. Great for relations. 450 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,360 And then of course, the Skin medica has great relations. 451 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:24,360 I do want to ask you this because we are talking about the skin 452 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,400 medical product, and I'm a huge fan of skin medica. 453 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,080 Maybe my thinking is wrong, but in terms of active products 454 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,400 that deliver results, do you feel like Skin medica is owned by Allergan? 455 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:41,760 Allen is a medical company, so I feel like skin Medicus claims 456 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,720 have to be backed up even more than, let's 457 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,800 say, a non-regulated cosmetic 458 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:51,440 product. 459 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,520 That's listen, you hit the nail on the head 460 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,520 and sometimes it's kind of frustrating. 461 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,240 I know for them the hurdles that they have to go through that other companies 462 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,360 don't have to go through because, yes, they're owned by Allergan. 463 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:08,560 But remember, Allergan is owned by AbbVie and AbbVie is is about as big pharma 464 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,800 as you can get, which is great because that means they have tons of resources, 465 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,880 they have all the science. 466 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,400 I had a chance to visit their headquarters in L.A. 467 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,040 a couple of months ago 468 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,880 and meet with the scientists and hear about some new things coming. 469 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:24,760 Which are they? 470 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,200 They're always innovating, 471 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,040 but just seeing the level of detail that goes into their clinical trials 472 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,720 and talking to these brilliant PhDs who have this as their life's mission 473 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:39,360 to make these products better and deliver results for us was inspiring. 474 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:41,400 So you are totally correct. 475 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,480 They're held to a 476 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,360 somewhat different standard just because they're not just a cosmetic company. 477 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,080 They're actually like a, you know, a big pharma medical brand. 478 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:50,920 Yes. Yeah. 479 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,240 So, I mean, you know, listen, it's not inexpensive products, but man, do 480 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,120 I love it that Tiffany's serum is like I was using it, using it, using 481 00:23:58,120 --> 00:23:58,800 it and thinking. 482 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,960 Then I stopped using it 483 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,960 and I was like, oh my God, I need it back, right? 484 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,280 Because because from using virtual only skin is just good. 485 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,000 And then when I stopped, I was like, Oh shit, but I'm back on it. 486 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,400 So thank you. 487 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,280 To tell patients that all the time. 488 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,000 If you really want to see how it's working, stop using it. 489 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:20,360 Yeah. 490 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:22,800 And I got to tell you, I'm really excited. 491 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,800 I just got my hands on this and I have not, 492 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,400 you know, I keep it real with everybody watching. 493 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,720 I have not gotten to try these products out yet, but I did love the late Tara. 494 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,760 It was the only time I've ever noticed. 495 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,960 You can't really see it here, but I've got this one pesky slot. 496 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,880 It's the only time I've ever noticed it. Lighten up. 497 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,840 Didn't go away completely, but it's certainly light. 498 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,280 And so I'm excited. 499 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,120 You will be very pleased. 500 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:49,200 I you know, I posted a go check my Instagram out in a couple of months, 501 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:54,120 but I had a little spot on this side that was just there. 502 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,800 And I used the dark spot cream on it. 503 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,040 And I mean, the facts are the facts. 504 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,160 You see the pictures, so it it'll get it gone. 505 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:03,120 Amazing. 506 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:05,880 Oh, you know, I was a little social of mine and let's see how we can get it on. 507 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,360 How long does it take to get it gone? 508 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:11,440 I know it's kind of a sliding scale, but are we talking about a mummy? 509 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,720 This was like four weeks. Yeah. 510 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,480 Yeah. Existing use. 511 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,760 Oh, great. Okay, perfect. Awesome. 512 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,320 You know, before I let you go, 513 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,320 you know, on this topic of hyperpigmentation, you know, 514 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,680 in-office procedures, are there any things that you're really, 515 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,320 like, psyched about that you feel like are great? 516 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,200 So many. 517 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,520 So my favorite is we have a PICO. 518 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,520 Sure. Laser Picosecond laser. 519 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,760 That one to me is just top tier because the downtime is minimal. 520 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,360 You can use it on all skin types. 521 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:45,840 You can adjust the settings to be exactly what you need. 522 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,360 Some people don't even really have to numb for it. 523 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:52,240 You can really go in to break up pigment and you can also just give somebody 524 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,800 like a nice, you know, filtered look for an event. 525 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,960 It kind of like brightens everything up. 526 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,760 But the key with that one is that it doesn't really have a lot of heat. 527 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:08,240 It drives in energy, which blasts the pigment into smaller and smaller pieces. 528 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,720 So you don't have to worry about peeling. 529 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,000 You don't have to worry about, you know, causing too much heat for Melanie, 530 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:15,720 dead skin. 531 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,720 I mean, you still want to use an experience tan to do it 532 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,400 because that's still the device. 533 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,320 But Peak Usher far and away is my favorite technology 534 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,720 for dealing with Hyperpigmentation because not only can it get pigment 535 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:28,880 that's in the epidermis, 536 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,640 it can go deep enough to get the stubborn, hard to treat pigment 537 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,000 that's trapped in the dermis, and that's the differentiator. 538 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,960 So is it like does it does it come up to the surface, kind of like an IPL? 539 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,480 It doesn't really do that. Oh. 540 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,240 You can do that. 541 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,440 Your skin's pink for maybe two or three days. 542 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,800 And because there's not like a heat that's driving, you know, a re epithelial 543 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,520 ization, you're really just watching the pigment just kind of go away. 544 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,840 Oh, love that extranet. 545 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,800 Once it gets small enough so we just have to pound it down. 546 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,800 No small enough particles that it's not even a factor anymore. 547 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,320 Amazing, amazing, amazing. 548 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,200 Dr. Hartman, I love having you on all the time. 549 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,560 You know, I'd be remiss to just ask because we did our last thing on DAX. 550 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,600 If I. You think. 551 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,520 Listen, so far so good. 552 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,040 You're coming up on that six month mark. 553 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,600 Y'all know I like Amber. 554 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,360 Keep it real, and I'm going to tell it like it is. 555 00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:26,600 And if it's not working, it's not working. 556 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,600 But I wanted to get it to six months because that was the claim of the company 557 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,280 and there's been a few tweaks. 558 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,040 We've changed the dilution, we've played around with it. 559 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,360 So I think it was smart of them to limit the rollout to experienced doctors 560 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:42,600 who knew what to do so that we could give them feedback. 561 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,600 So far, so good patients love the way that their skin looks at two weeks. 562 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,400 Something is going on with the appearance of the skin. 563 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,240 At two weeks, 564 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,960 I've had patients tell me that they saw an effect in as little as a few hours. 565 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,360 So we'll see. 566 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:56,880 I want it to last six months. 567 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,720 It is a premium product. 568 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,000 We rolled it out to folks 569 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,000 who weren't getting the duration with their other neurotoxin before first. 570 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:07,840 And so, you know, we'll see how it goes, but so far, so good. 571 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,160 Oh, I was so excited. 572 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,200 I can't wait to try it because I want it. 573 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,200 Got you can't see I got Botox 574 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,520 three weeks ago and I'm already you know. 575 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,120 Well, it does. Look like you want it. 576 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:19,160 You want to move. 577 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,240 And I'm thinking, do you want a little bit of movement? 578 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,000 I'm like, shit, Should I go back in for more? 579 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,560 But no, thank you. 580 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,920 Thank you, Dr. Hartman. 581 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,920 Thank you. Appreciate you. 582 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,080 If people want to know more about you, if they want to get in touch with you, 583 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,360 where can they go? 584 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,320 Yes. So I'm probably most active on Instagram. Dr. 585 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,280 Corey Hartman I play around on Twitter and Tik Tok under the same name. 586 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,280 And then you can always check out our website at Skin Wellness dot com. 587 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,240 Amazing. 588 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,360 Thank you so much. 589 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,000 It is always my pleasure to have you on here. 590 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,240 Thanks, Amber. 591 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,960 And if you guys have questions at home that would be passed on to Dr. 592 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,280 Hartman, I'm always happy to do so. 593 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,960 You can email me at Hello at our beauty podcast dot com. 594 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,480 You can find us on Facebook, Instagram, Spotify, all your podcast platforms 595 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:01,960 at Art Beauty Podcast. 596 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,960 And as always, we will see you next Tuesday. 597 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,440 Maybe you won't be a little bit later by next Tuesday. 598 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:09,480 Let's keep it real. 599 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,240 But you know, you can be on the right path by everyone. 600 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:21,640 All right.