This is the Art Beauty
podcast, where we tell the real truth about the fake shit.
Hi, everybody. I'm Amber.
And today my fabulous co-host is Rose-Marie Swift.
She is the founder and CEO of RMS Beauty.
And I see she's got a little friend there.
Do we want to get this?
Is this person really?
Okay, we've got the little pup there who might make an appearance later.
So founder and CEO of Arms Beauty, we are going to be talking
all about her incredible background with the incredible products.
But before we get into that.
Welcome to the show, Rose-Marie.
Oh, thank you very for Thank you very much for having me.
This is fantastic.
As for that little that little hairy thing you saw, that is Ruby Moon.
And she whenever I do anything on the computer,
she has to sit right behind me the whole time.
So to. Support.
This poor puppet, I'm sure she has a lot to say.
Maybe we'll be hearing from her about your line later.
Exactly.
You know, just to give everybody a little bit of background here,
because people have been listening for a long time.
No, this is not a sponsored podcast.
I bring on brands that I love, that I think that you at home
are going to love.
And I learned about RMS beauty from a lip light launch.
We're going to be talking about this product in a little bit.
One of the best parts about my job is that I get to meet incredible founders
like you.
I get to go to these exciting new launches, and I was blown away
by the live lights.
We were going to be talking all about that.
But then I also really fell in love
with you, Rose-Marie, because I feel like you have such a wonderful background.
And I'm wondering if you could share
a little bit about your history before we talk about products.
Okay. How do I start?
Okay.
Once upon a time,
I've been well, obviously, I've been in the in the industry for a super long time.
I'm originally from Canada and I started doing makeup there back in the day.
And, you know, it just it was one of those things
I never really wanted to be a makeup artist.
It just kind of fell into my hands and I just kept getting jobs
and I was kind of, you know, always getting on an airplane, going somewhere.
And I would you know, I started up Vancouver, then went to Toronto,
then I went to Europe, then I went down to Miami, was catalog
queen for a while, which was actually a lot of fun.
And then I ended up in New York.
So I've been in New York, I guess you could say, for a little over 30 years.
Oh, so where in New York are you On the Upper East Side?
Well, I am in I have my apartment still on East Wall Street.
Nice. Okay. I love that.
So you're in the Lower East Side, just down the street.
And in true New York fashion, I don't know if you can hear this.
Of course, the alarms are blaring in the back.
Sorry about that.
You know, it's so interesting.
I love when I talk to people,
you know, who have been in the business a little bit because I feel like
so many of the makeup artists, so much of the makeup artistry,
you know, prior to Photoshop was was really key, right?
Because people on set,
you didn't have all of that fabulous retouching that now we do.
I mean, you as a makeup artist had to make sure that your models,
that your subjects were really looking amazing, right?
Oh, my God.
That this is I'm really glad you brought this up.
This is the first time somebody actually brought this up.
Kate When I started, it was actual film.
Yeah.
You're you you didn't know what it was going to turn out like.
You know, if the photographer messed it up, it was backed up.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
And I remember that when they started, because I did a lot of, of,
of shooting in on location.
So I was not really a makeup artist for on the studio, but location.
I was all over that.
And that's where I,
you know, I got into the beautiful skin and everything belongs very short.
I remember when it started going into digital, you know, I was in the studio.
I remember the first time, and they've got the model up there
in the monitor and they go in close on her face.
I remember going, Oh my God, in my room, shitty makeup artist,
because you could literally see all of that makeup
floating on top of their skin because that digital was showing every.
Everything.
In the movie little makeup mistake you saw.
And I like I felt like I had to, you know, learn all over again.
And, you know, obviously, I was a good makeup artist.
I wouldn't have been where I was.
But, you know, it was a shocker.
It was a shocker. Yeah.
And then when everything went to HD,
I feel like that was another because I came up.
I come from a film family, so I remember, you know,
and I still remember having to drop off film
that you would just take from your roll of film and you would hope,
one, that the guy didn't accidentally overexpose
or open it and sometimes you got back a roll of just blank photos.
So I can only imagine when you've got thousands and thousands of dollars.
And my dad tells me, you know, when they used to shoot on film
that it was just you would shoot a day and then you would just pray
as the DP that, like every picture came out so scary.
So, so so I you know, I know
it's interesting when we talk about how makeup has changed, though, right?
The products have had to change.
What have you sort of seen towards that shift,
you know, from back in the day to now?
And how do you sort of adjusted to that?
Well, I find that, you know, when I looked at that monitor
and saw how thick everything was and how cakey and dry it looked,
it really started me thinking is like, God, what am I putting on these people?
And, you know, nowadays it has to be sheer, it has to be slightly luminous.
The makes the skin look beautiful and really young and youthful and radiant.
You know, that's that's my thing.
You know,
I did Victoria's Secret for years, so you have to learn
to do really beautiful makeup without looking like makeup because
these girls are very scantily clad,
you know, so to speak, their bare naked almost, you know.
And so you can't have a face full of all this really heavy
duty makeup is just going to look kind of cheap.
So, you know, you really learn to, you know, when you're working with girls
that don't have a lot
on, you want the skin on their body to look like the skin on their face.
That beautiful, you know, a little bit of hobo oil.
I used to put on.
You want that that that beautiful youthful
skin you don't want to have.
Like all of a sudden
there's a whole different texture happening from the neck up, Right. So.
So they had to change a lot of stuff.
You know, things became more Mike Brown eyes, you know, pigments became more Mike
Brown eyes and even and you know, colors obviously were, you know, weren't as is.
They're more beautiful, more natural looking in a way.
Mostly in my world, I'm, you know, I'm speaking from my world.
You know, that's that's what I do.
So, you know, it was really an interesting change to start
formulating things that were made with, you know, clean ingredients, you know,
like Cobra oil, you know, coconut oil, all those kind of things that I use.
And it really makes a difference in the
in the foundations and the lipsticks, everything.
So how do you go now from you know,
you're a very in-demand makeup artist.
What was it that made you decide, I want to create my own line?
You know, it had nothing to do with wanting to create my own line.
It was guilt.
I felt bad putting on all those chemicals,
and I'm not saying, guys, please don't think I'm saying that.
Oh my God, you're going to burn in hell if you put this.
You know that makeup on you.
What I am saying is there are chemicals in there
that are little undies that are actually some of them are very undesirable,
mostly depending where you purchase your your your products and
and then what country, what origin of the country it's from.
But I felt guilty putting in all these beautiful 15, 16, 17 year old girls
and I want to put something on their skin was preventative
not not just a quick fix because you know I used to see
when I when I started with those girls, you know, I would see them makeup, they'd
walk in their skin, would look beautiful, and then I would see their makeup.
After a few hours, I go, Why do they look dry?
Why does their skin look older than when they first started?
And that's what triggered me.
You know, first,
the guilt of what was in those those those traditional cosmetics, plus,
you know, what that's going to do for them as young girls.
And I just went off on my own thing.
You know, I just you know, I just started doing my own thing.
I was a rough Buddhist for a while, so I got a lot of my concept
for the clean ingredients from the rough food industry.
Sure.
You know, okay, so so your lines, you have this clean line,
you know, and I always like to sort of ask like,
how do you decide, guide what products are going to work
and how have you taken your experience
as a professional makeup artist for things that worked in a professional capacity
and sort of translated that to products that work for the consumer?
Well, injuries,
interestingly, when I started, my formulas were very, very basic.
You know, coconut oil, herbal oil, you know, pigment wax,
rosemary CO2 in there is a preservative just very, very simple and clean.
And then as you know, the years went by
and things started opening up for the clean beauty industry.
You know, a lot of new innovations started coming about.
It started really slowly, but now it's there.
So now I'm doing things that, you know,
I would I've got ingredients in there that have been, you know,
how do I say just more advanced rather than my my hippie formula
that I had at the beginning, which is still hanging in there, Tried and true.
But, you know, I wanted to expand on it.
And so I want to just do products where people say, Hey, this is user
friendly, this is this is fashion forward,
this is preventative, this is moisturizing and nourishing for the skin.
It's good for your body.
All those kind of of of, you know, concepts I'd really had to consider.
Now I like to keep it.
I keep it real with everybody.
So I've only had a limited, limited experience with your line.
The thing that I fell in love with was the lip lace.
It was actually the first product that I tried from your line.
And you know, for people I've been listening for ever, I hate lipstick.
I hate wearing lipstick.
I'm a lip biter. It's disgusting. I know it.
But but I feel like I've tried every lip
gloss and lip tint under the sun.
And I don't know if you can see here how much I've used this already.
And we just had that.
When did these launch? Recently.
Yeah, just like.
Yeah, about a month ago, I think. About a month ago.
So you can see I've already had to bend it down
because this is my every day, every time I have to be on camera,
I'm wearing the lip lights right now.
This is in the the bare shade.
It is game changing.
So this is it's just a little bit of pigment
that like I can walk
to the grocery store in this and know that my lips are hydrated
and have just a little bit of sheer pigment
or I can be doing the podcast right now, you know, or full glam
for a new beauty show.
I feel like this has been a game changer.
Also. It's so fun.
The packaging feels like kind of like what you would get from like,
you know, a professional makeup artist store, right?
Like, I love the little things.
You have to do. Yeah.
Why did you create this?
Well, well, for one thing, the tubes are because I wanted it recyclable.
Right? Those are okay, So they're recyclable.
So we're trying to, you know, help up the, you know, the world here.
And but what's interesting about that is I've always had really bad chapped lips.
It didn't matter what I put on, It didn't matter how great the lip gloss
was or the lip balm or, you know,
whatever product I was putting on my lips, my lips were permanently chapped.
That's just the way I am.
And and I also if you look at my portfolio,
I don't have a lot of shots with lip gloss.
And in fact, I think I have hardly any, if any at all.
I've never been really a lip gloss girl because I thought lip
gloss was just so light shiny that it almost didn't
it almost to me, it looks a little, little cheap.
Yeah, well. And juvenile. Yeah.
Yeah. And young.
Shiny, too shiny. Yeah, yeah.
Shiny and more for young girls, you know, You see what my dad really having
a mouth to lip gloss, you know what I mean?
So I wanted to do something that, you know, had some treatment
in it, obviously, so that your lips wouldn't be chapped.
And that had justice, elegance and sophistication in the shine in the gloss.
So that wasn't over the top.
And, you know, we put a little bit of a plumper in there.
It's a stingless plumper.
So you're
not going to have that young girl thing where it actually stings your lips.
We thought, okay, but for the young girls, we want to go into the older ladies
little bit.
You know, a little bit more refined territory.
So it's it's a little bit of a plumper that does not sting.
I love that. I had no idea. And you know what?
I'm glad you're talking about this because, you know, you mentioned
before that you worked with the Victoria's Secret models
who are well, you know, actually now, you know, now they have diverse ages.
But, you know, let's see, they're they're younger, right?
They're not really doing this in their forties, fifties plus and makeup
when we get into our forties fifties
plus is it's different than our twenties and thirties.
So do you think you're like your line is really kind of geared for
for maybe a more mature woman as well.
Well, actually I like to say it's great for mature women because of the
nourishing properties and the moisturizing properties, hydration
properties, but it's also really good for the younger girls because I keep it
modern and fashion forward, but it's also because it's preventative.
Yeah.
You know,
they're not going to there's no you know, there's not ingredients in there.
They're going to dry out their,
you know, underneath their eyes or give them, you know, really dried up eyelids.
I always call it chicken skin eyelids by the time they're 35.
So I would say if you have oily lib, embrace that oily layer.
I'm telling you guys, you don't want to have a dried up lid when you're older.
Even at my age, I'm glad I don't have dried up chicken skin eyelids.
Isn't it so funny though?
I find that, you know, when we were or at least when I was younger, like
I wanted everything to be matte, right?
You don't want the shine because your skin is naturally gorgeous and luminous.
And then as you start to get older, you're like, How do I look, Louis?
How do I look?
Dewy How do I get that sort of luminosity back?
You know, it's kind of like we always want what we don't have, right?
Oh, yeah, so true.
But, you know, back in the days with makeup,
you know, basically make it was put on like a matte.
It'd be very pale.
You know, obviously the way I wear my makeup is is very reminiscent
of the olden days.
And I've kind of just this is just my style and what I do the best.
But, you know, you slowly start seeing everybody was drinking green juices,
everybody was being very healthy and doing exercises.
And then it worked out.
It started working out not just the body, but we're also going to do
things for our faces.
So that's when, you know, the healthy food came in
and so it returned a whole generation of, you know, fashion thinkers
or makeup thinkers into to redoing the idea of a matte foundation.
And they want a little bit of that glow.
It shows health.
It shows that, you know, your skin is doing what it's doing.
It's radiant.
And I think we're still there at that place.
I still don't see so much being done
on the foundation department, except if you look at Instagram.
But that's a whole different creative vehicle.
You know, that's not what you realize.
Instagram is is so wild.
I feel like sometimes there are great things.
Then I'm watching all these young girls like,
you know, dripping the makeup on and I'm like, at eight.
I mean, I guess it's cool.
It's it's like an art form for them.
And I remember when I was younger, I would put on really weird makeup.
You know, I and I like, I put on a
a stripe of makeup that was dark going here
and then a medium color in the middle and then a bright color on the outside.
It looked ridiculous. But at the time I thought it was fabulous.
But some of these kids I have to say, are very, very good at doing makeup.
Insanely good.
Yeah, Insanely good. Exactly.
That's a better word for it, for sure.
Most of the real creative stuff, I just like, whoa, I could never do that.
I also don't have the patience for it,
but I've noticed a lot of them now are embracing the Cleaner brand.
You know, they're asking for my products.
They're doing, you know, a Instagram post using our Ms.
Beauty.
And the skin is becoming more beautiful because I always when I when I do a
training, I always tell people, guys, you want your skin to look beautiful.
Skin is sensual, it's sexual.
If you have it all covered up, it's not so attractive.
Like you can do big, huge brows and you can do big lips and control
you want do all that stuff.
Lashes for days, but keep your skin looking beautiful.
Yeah, that is what sexy and sensual.
Yeah. You know, it's so funny.
I had a makeup artist I worked with once, and she was like, You know,
I always want my clients to go out and have people say, You look beautiful.
Not your makeup looks beautiful. Exactly.
A little bit of a change, right?
But, you know, we want to make sure that we're embracing our own inner beauty.
And I do love that from what I've learned with your products.
So let's talk about some of the sort of the stars that you think of the line.
And then I know we've got some exciting new launches
that just launched that I want to talk about, too.
So what would you say?
Like, you know, when like, you know, in terms of the arm speed,
if somebody was new to the brand, if they were trying out, you know,
are there any hero products that you kind of recommend.
You know, Yes, I'm going to say
I have probably two products that put me on the map.
One was my living Lumina Iser. Okay.
And this is this is basically my cult hero, so to speak.
It definitely put me on the map.
And I did this back in the days of doing Victoria's Secret
where, you know, I wanted to give a glow on their on their body or on their faces
when I just had put a little bit of coconut oil or I'm not
so I'm not coca at all.
I use hobo oil because of the yellow seed.
And it's got that.
Warmth and I put a highlighter on and it will always look to disco.
It was always too sparkly or too over the top.
So I created this luminaries, and I'm going to show
you really quickly on myself so you guys get the gist of this
and I just pop it on and what it does, it just adds that ultimate glow.
I don't know if you guys can see it like, Yeah.
Oh, it's beautiful.
In that, you know, is what makes you look beautiful.
And it's funny because I did go on QVC when I first launched
this back in like 2010, I think I launched the the Luminosa.
I can't remember now.
I remember going on the show and everybody goes,
who wants to wear a glow on their cheekbones?
And here we are.
Everybody has aluminum, eyes are now everybody wants that glow to their skin
because it makes you look younger. It makes you look youthful.
When you're old man.
Powder down, you look old and another book that has been called
the Meryl Streep of of Concealer is my on cover up.
Now, originally when I did this,
I launched with
the luminaries are these I think a few colored
lip balm and a few colored of lip, the cheeks
and some eye polishes, but this one got a lot of attention
because you could use it very easily as a little concealer.
You can also use it as a tinted moisturizer.
If you add it with a bit of oil,
you can also use it for a full face foundation by just putting it on.
And then what you do is you add a little bit of powder
on top and do another layer and it looks fantastic.
And it goes a long way because I don't add the
the binders and all those fillers in here.
So there's no clay, there's no diatomaceous earth, there's no talc.
And yeah, so those are my two big, huge products
that really, you know, set me apart from, from the industry.
So that luminaries.
Or is it like a cream sort of a is it, is it like a like what is the texture?
The texture is like it feels a little bit like a hard balm.
Okay.
And the warmth of your finger because it's all basically all organic
ingredients in the warmth of your finger
just gives out a little bit of a doing this.
But this doing is just the right amount of doing this that you can easily pop
this anywhere you want on your face or on your eyelid is so beautiful
on your eyelid.
Down the center of the nose, even on your lips are mixed with the lipstick.
And it's just a very
luminescent.
There's a little bit of light
reflective glow in here with a little hint of of of of color.
Like it's a very luminous kind of.
So I love that, too, for like, you know, you know, again,
as you get a little bit older, some of the powder highlighters
can be tricky or to use there.
I will ask also take a step back.
I think powders are always easier to use.
However, we know as we get a little older, the powders can seep into the fine lines
and wrinkles.
You know, they're not as user friendly.
So, you know, I've switched.
I remember when I was in my twenties,
I was like, I'm never using a cream blush now.
Everything that I use is cream is nicer.
It makes the skin look more moist.
And it's more friendly for, you know, as we start to get a little bit older.
So that's more of like
a, like you said, like a balm cream that you apply and love that.
But, you know, people don't realize it when they buy a powder
foundation or a powder blush that those are baked.
You hear the word baked all the time.
I wouldn't go near baking for a million bucks
because what happens that means that product put into heat.
So the ingredients that I'm using,
you know, the healthy ingredients, the oils
and things like that, that would be that would go rancid if it was heated up.
Right, Right. I would go against the purpose.
But when something's heated and baked, you put it on the face.
What's the first thing it's going to do? It's been dried out.
So what it's going to do is going to suck the moisture from your skin.
So it looks like it's building up on the skin.
It looks dry.
Right, right, right.
This is why I completely avoid them.
Got it. So let's now talk about
I know that you said the lip lights launched a month ago.
I have to ask you about this because.
Oh, and I know we have a new launch coming up that just rolled off my table.
But how gorgeous is this
red dimension hydropower blush?
Tell us about this.
This is I mean, just I opened it and I was like, how gorgeous is that?
Those are amazing.
Those have done extremely well.
Now, that's a perfect example of not being baked.
Okay?
That's a new.
Technology that is gel to powder.
So it has long wear of a powder, yet it has that moisturizing
properties of a cream.
So this goes on. Beautiful.
Now, what I did with that, that is a new technology where
when that's created, it's almost like a see through
a see through piece of of if you if you if you was one year old woman,
it's like it feels a little rubbery.
I've been using it.
Sorry guys. It's I put a little bit of myself earlier.
And so what happens is it's almost kind of a see through
so that you don't have all the fillers and binders in there.
So when you get this, the color is just the color.
The highlight and the lowlights.
So I could take the palace color,
put it on the darkest skin, and it won't go white or ashy looking.
It'll just go through color.
So those are really unique in the industry.
And the were the first ones to come out
with that kind of technology in the clean beauty industry.
So we're super excited about those.
I'm dying to try this.
I wanted to keep it like nice and fresh looking so I didn't try it.
But how many shades does this come in? I got to see.
I wonder if this would be dark or does it kind of apply?
Sheer Well, it depends how you want apply.
I just usually take a little I take a big brush.
I like to go a little higher. I'll show you all that.
Whereas the one I was using,
I just take this I like to take it a little bit on the brush.
Now you can make it so light if you wanted, or you just do a few more
coats in your build.
So don't be scared or intimidated by the color,
particularly the color that you have.
Okay. Looks amazing.
I even the pale is skin, but just apply lightly.
Give it a little wash and you'll have an automatic highlight in there also.
So it's not just a matte powder, right?
Given this dimension, it's very radiant.
It's very almost.
How do you say it's looking?
Just looks magic. Minus. Yeah, yeah.
You know, heavenly.
Let's, let's, let's steal from the Victoria's Secret Angels.
Right. It's going to be heavenly.
And then, you know,
I have to thank you because I think that this is a game changer.
So your products now come with a refill, recharge.
So we know, you know, as consumers, we're getting smarter.
We understand the toll our
you know, love affair with all things beauty is taking on the environment.
Thank you for doing it.
Yeah.
We're really trying to be really attentive to to keeping everything
as clean as possible for everybody, including the ingredients.
So and now tell us about this new launch.
We had something that just launched about a week ago, two weeks ago.
They just rolled off the table.
Let me grab them. Okay.
But tell us why you're telling us about them. Okay.
So these are very okay as a makeup artist, when I do lips and expand on a lip,
you know, make them look fuller or whatever, change a shape.
I want to have the same color as the lips.
I don't like to use a synthetic color.
Put it all around that matches the lipstick.
I like to make the lips look bigger and it looks like the real lips.
So we came up with these as you can see, there's
six colors altogether, actually seven. And
they're amazing because they're they're
they're I've really directed this onto the how do I word this?
I wanted these to look like the colors of people's lips.
I didn't want some big bright line all around the outside.
So as lipstick whereas out or whatever you put on there,
it's not going to have that synthetic line around the outside of the mouth,
because I think that is the worst thing to see on a mouth.
Well, it's like very reminiscent of the nineties, right?
You know, when we used to do that,
that like dark lip line, I suppose it wasn't run brazen.
There was one color that everybody was using.
I have no idea.
And one reason was that, you know, it was like a Revlon color, but I forget.
It was like maybe who made it famous?
Who is like, Paula Abdul made this color so famous anyway.
But yes, I also don't like this.
So these are very sort of neutral shades, if you will.
Well, what you're talking about is really interesting, because I did do
a deeper tone in this is called the Midnight Nude OC.
I call the whole thing.
Let's get nude, kind of like gold pencils.
And what this is, this is a darker color.
I actually put this on myself the other day was one of my lip lights.
Excuse me, with one of my lip lights.
It looked amazing.
And I thought, Oh my God.
I just drew a darker lip around my mouth.
I'm 68 years old and it looks fabulous.
Yeah. And it was I think it just has to be the right colors.
And like I said, you know, this be a you know, if you're really pale skin, pop
that on with it with maybe even the the one that's just the adjuster.
I love is at the bare. The bare. Yeah.
There's like my, my my all time go to and you know what is so nice because I do
I you know of course I got this like minutes before your podcast
and immediately threw on I'm wearing this one right now in the sunrise nude.
What I loved about this pencil though and you can see here
they go on
really nice and smooth so it doesn't feel like a dried pencils
was able to kind of sit around my lip, but also blend it into my lips.
So if you were doing something like the nude, you can
sort of use this with maybe a little gloss on top of it as your lipstick.
You don't need a lipstick. Exactly. This is.
It is even.
Fade that that blendable fade with from there a little bit of a darker tone
just to give some contour to your lip and really build it up a bit
and just have that slightly fade out into any of the lip lights is amazing.
I have to ask though, I don't know if I've ever seen this
on a long before the brush.
Okay, tell me.
Yeah, let me explain that.
If you if you see some makeup artists work, you'll see that they will go in
and they'll pop on a little V in the center right.
So I like to have somebody start with taking that that little end in is very
firm, is not soft and then going and hold on, where's my mirror?
I'm going to use a mirror that's not so pretty.
I need a magnifying mirror, guys. Okay.
And I'm going to go just like
and that gives out a little line
in here that you want before you go and paint your lips.
And that way you have that little V that's just doing that accent
for the center to center it and make sure you're getting the right height.
You just take the angle right over the of the bow.
Okay?
Now this is also for and the two other things
you could use is a brush if you want but and it like do
I like to use my finger or I like to use a big brush to put on my lips.
It goes on easier.
But as an older person I have wrinkles.
So when I put on a pencil, what happens is you get that
rickety kind of line.
It gets rickety because of the little lines that kind of
like little riverbeds.
You take this pencil, I mean, on the brush
and you go like, not
and there's not
one single rickety little thing from this child.
I'm noticing or noticing the rickety ness.
Really? Oh, that's lovely.
Is on my eyes.
The rigging I notice the rickety.
And this now really badly when I try to put on eyeliner. Right.
If I try to put on the eyeliner, it.
It ain't so.
It ain't so smooth anymore as it used to be.
You know what I always tell as we get older?
And you're still really young, honeybunch, cause you're still a munchkin.
But, you know, when you get to my age,
I always tell women, Stop going for that cat.
I leave that for the young girls.
If you want that black smokey, you know, look, just soften it,
you know, get a you know, we have our little black ones here that,
you know, this is what I will use.
And I don't know if you can see it,
but I put just a little on the end just to pull the eyes a little bit.
But I'll take the little spoolie on the end and smudge it
because it looks so much better on an older woman
rather than trying to a cat eye over all the little wrinkles.
Then you get the wrinkles going down here.
So you can't, you know, it's just it's just nicer just to soften it,
smoke it out a bit and it looks more sexy, I think, on an older woman.
Gorgeous. And I. Did you just hold up an eye pencil?
Does that have a brush at the end of it, too?
Yes. Brilliant.
Yes. Thank you.
I like. These not amazing. Things.
You know, it's easier in that way.
You know, if you have a few little lines in that
you're like you're you're being it's a forgiving pencil.
Well, yeah.
And let's be honest, though, we like having that extra
little tool included in your pencil, because I've never seen this.
I've never seen a brush on the end of a lip pencil.
It's just one last thing that I have to carry in my makeup bag.
Yeah.
And another trick, just so you know, where's my red hair?
Hold on.
I'm just going to put a little bit more on my on my hand.
You're going to read your red lips tonight.
I have to.
You know what?
Okay, let me tell you some.
One of the cosmetic companies did some research years and years and years ago.
They didn't put it out, but they realized what a
what is so attractive about young skin beside the fact that, you know,
those faces are young, There's something that that we don't think about.
They have darker eyebrows and they have more color to their lips.
As we age, we fade
and then our
faces become kind of monochromatic.
And then we're putting on colors that kind of look like our
little bit of tan, you know, It's all kind of getting dry.
And I always say, Do the contrast through your eyes a little bit
or your eyebrows a little bit darker, even a little bit a darker
like always black mascara.
It makes the white of the eyes look whiter
where colored lips, because that contrast is what makes the skin look better
and makes you look better. It makes you look younger.
If I have no makeup on, I look kind of like just boring and washed out
because my eyebrows are not this color anymore.
My lips have a blue hue to them and it's just it's
nicer to get that little bit of contrast, just to give that little bit of use.
You know. Now back to this little pants.
One other trick and this is a dazzle trick.
You guys have probably all heard her talk about this.
What she does when she does
her lips is she takes just in the inside here on the bottom.
She does
she paints it just slightly.
I've already done it.
I just exaggerated it more.
And you can see I'm not doing the whole lip, just that bottom.
But look what it does.
It makes the lip look fuller.
It gives a little like a little lift in a poke.
And she always will do just in the middle here on that,
underneath, like literally underneath the liner itself.
And it gives that little lift to her lip.
So she's notorious for having that trick.
And I'm just sharing it with you guys, too.
But, you know, I wonder if she learned it from you, from.
That one, from from me.
But I also you know, it's funny because she did teach me another trick.
You guys might like this. Okay?
The other trick is blush.
I remember one time working with her when I first started.
She said to me, Rosie, you gave me my puppy dog look.
And I said, What are you talking about? She goes, You gave me my puppy dog look.
And I said, Explain.
And she goes, Well, she said, You put the brush too low.
Oh, so I'm going to just do it on myself for for just to show you guys,
because I kind of like doing a case.
She I've had the blush a little bit too low and
and then she went on the other side and she lifted it up
and I saw her face in the in the going up to the monitor.
I saw her whole face lift.
This lifts the little face. This pulls it down.
Not only that, on an older woman, it also accents this.
So you don't want that you try if you if you can.
This doesn't work for everybody but you know there are exceptions to the rule.
Try not to bring your blush below the nostrils.
I love that. Lift it up motion older woman.
And if she has bags which I do and I'm just going to show you proudly my bags
take it up to the bag.
And that way it softens the bag.
Don't go in the bag, but just to the bag, because if you look,
you've got a dark line here and the skin tends to be a little bit bulbous here.
Then you got your blush below it. What happens? It makes this stick out.
So it makes the blush look lower and it makes the bag look darker.
So take that little bit of blush.
I was going to do it on the here up to the bag.
You'll notice it softens the bag.
Oh, my gosh Rose-Marie, I could talk to these is but you can see immediately
how much how lifted one side of your face looks and how the other does not.
I think this is a beautiful trick.
Also, I know my mom is listening right now and she I mean, my earliest memory of
my mother
is that she always wore red lipstick and she stopped
when she was a little bit older But Mama,
look at Rose-Marie She is showing you you can still wear that red.
The brushed will blush it through and and you're good to go.
And another
another things
we are sorry to interrupt you on this on this red topic with red lips.
I always tell people people can wear a red lip.
It depends how sheer or how opaque it is.
It depends on what color of red it is,
whether it's an orange based red, whether it's a blue based red,
you can find a red in most most of the time that will match somebody's.
You know, agree to agree.
And I wear that red lip proudly.
Rose-Marie it has been such a pleasure.
I could get tips from you all day long.
If people want to know more about your your products, any of the products
we talked about.
If they want to know more about you and your brand, where can they go?
Oh my God, Instagram @RMSBeauty.
Our Web site
Tik Tok @RMSbeauty too.
And yeah or just watch some of the videos I'm doing lately.
There's a lot of stuff coming up, so I'm trying to give more of my tricks away.
You know, a lot of makeup hours,
we hang on to our little tricks and keep them secret.
Now I'm at the age I don't care anymore.
You care about my thing.
I know I've got tons of tricks.
Amazing. I want to thank you so much.
You're just a pleasure and a joy to have on today.
Thank you for having me, sweetheart.
I really appreciate it was fun.
And if you have any questions at home that you want me to pass on to Rose-Marie
or any of her team, I'm happy to do so.
You can email me at hello@artbeautypodcast.com.
You can find us on Facebook, Instagram and YouTube @artbeautypodcast.
And as always,
we will see you next Tuesday, hopefully looking a little bit more luminous
and lifted up
by everybody.
Thank you.
All right.