1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:05,280 This is the Art Beauty podcast where we tell the real truth about the fake shit. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:11,080 I'm Amber Mills, and today my fabulous co-host is Jene Luciano Senna. 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:16,200 She is a best selling author as well as a bra fitting expert. 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,560 And we are so excited to have her today because we are going to be talking about 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:26,160 everything having to do with the bra size, whether you are a biggie, a biggie, 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,640 whether you are a cancer warrior survivor, you've had to have a mastectomy. 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,280 We are going to get you totally covered and have a lot of fun in the way. 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,040 I want to thank you so much for being here today. Jenny. 9 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:39,920 Should we say covered or uncovered? 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,240 Oh, you know. 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,640 You know, it's funny to you sent me one of the gym bras 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:45,160 and we're going to talk 13 00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:48,360 about your line of gym bras, you know, towards the end of the show. 14 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,120 But I was debating. 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,600 I'm like, should I just wear this and listen? 16 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,880 AUDIENCE My listeners, you know, I love you and I am an open book. 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,000 But I was like, maybe I don't need to be that open. 18 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:02,280 Why not? 19 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:02,880 The nice thing. 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,680 About it is it's like a very full coverage, you know, 21 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,960 because it was originally designed for QVC and the QVC audience. 22 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:11,720 Right. Which tends to be a little bit older. 23 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,800 So it's nice full coverage style bras so you can feel comfortable in it. 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,920 I would say it's like more coverage than a bathing suit. 25 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:19,920 Yeah. 26 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,640 Well, you know, I just wasn't ready to. 27 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,040 I wasn't ready to show. 28 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,680 Oh, next time. Next time. 29 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:32,600 You know, I think that for so many of us, you know, wearing a bra 30 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,840 is something that is like like, you know, putting on underwear, right? 31 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,240 It's something that we have to do every day. 32 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,640 It's like part of our daily routine that is baked into our routine. 33 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,240 But yet, so many of 34 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,760 us, myself included, it's like 35 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,920 finding the right fit. 36 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,680 You know, sometimes it's like you'll also wear 37 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,280 bras long past its prime, you know where it's going. 38 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:58,800 And not bathing, right? 39 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,480 You know, not that we're lazy on it, but I think that finding the right fit for 40 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,760 a bra is really difficult. Why? 41 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,640 Why is that? 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,640 Well, I think part of it is, as women, 43 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:15,120 we don't want to face that our bodies change. 44 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,200 So that's like a big part of it. 45 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,680 It's like maybe you are going through menopause and 46 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,080 or maybe you just gained some weight during the pandemic like all of us did. 47 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,920 Or maybe you have, you know, lost some weight 48 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,200 and you're not happy with your figure. 49 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:35,280 Like, whatever is going on, even a weight loss or gain as small as £5 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,520 can affect your bra size, which means that it can even be different 51 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:39,840 during that time of the month. 52 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,400 So I think as women where we like don't want to face the changes 53 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:45,360 that we're going through. 54 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,600 And then the second part of it is, which is also as women, 55 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:53,040 this is an act of self-care, in my opinion. 56 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,600 And so it often falls by the wayside because we're taking care of our families, 57 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,000 our homes, our children, our spouses, pets, whatever. 58 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,400 We're so busy that we just don't have time. 59 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,120 And this is something that you have to take the time to do for yourself. 60 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:14,120 So it's like the thing that goes on the list that keeps getting bumped down. 61 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,680 We just don't address that. 62 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:21,280 And, you know, the fact of the matter is, you really should get a bra 63 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,320 fitting or learn 64 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,200 how to fit yourself, which is pretty easy once you get the hang of it. 65 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:30,080 Every year, just so you can kind of regroup 66 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,880 and then you can address, like you mentioned earlier, those bras 67 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,720 that maybe are past their prime and it's time to toss them 68 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,280 and refresh and, you know, shop for some new ones or what have you. 69 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,240 So that's always like a good rule of thumb, but I think that's why 70 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,520 we have so many women walking around. 71 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,160 I mean, the statistic is like 90% in the wrong bra, which I personally think 72 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,920 it's higher than that based on my experience working with women. 73 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,080 So I think that's why you have so many more women 74 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,400 that are like walking around, just not in the right size. 75 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:03,920 You know, when you're talking about your experience 76 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,280 that you've seen so many women 77 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,440 not in the right bra, what are some of the things 78 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,720 that you've seen that you've identified that are like, 79 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,320 wait a minute, you're not wearing the right bra? 80 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,160 There are so many like even subtle signs. 81 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,960 The funniest thing is I got an email into my website today from 82 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,480 a woman and she said, 83 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:23,440 I have big 84 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,400 boobs but small shoulders and I always have the straps slipping off. 85 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:32,520 And almost like 90% of the questions like this one that people write in to me, 86 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,480 the first thing I ask ask is When was the last time you were fitted? 87 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,240 Do you know if you're wearing the right size? 88 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,240 Because the wrong size will really kind of like target. 89 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,520 All those problems that we're having can be really addressed with that, 90 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:46,920 like gaping in the cup. 91 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:47,960 You mentioned that, right? 92 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,640 That is oftentimes too big of a cup. 93 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,520 If you have the straps sliding down or the back band 94 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,160 riding up, that often means the band is too big. 95 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:04,320 So there's like everything can kind of be attributed back to a size issue. 96 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:05,360 Right. 97 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,920 You know, I also find that it's really hard, too, 98 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,000 because, you know, company to company sizes vary. 99 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:12,360 Right. 100 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,880 So I've been going to Victoria's Secret since I was like, 101 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,440 you know, old enough to shop at Victoria's Secret. 102 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:19,120 Right. 103 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,360 But, you know, I feel like I'm I'm one size there. 104 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,640 I did bra sitting with Isabella. Right. 105 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,080 An Italian brand. 106 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,360 Brand and European sizes are very different. 107 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:31,440 Totally different. 108 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:32,200 Totally different. 109 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,480 And I think that that would be really tough, too. 110 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,160 Well, Victoria's Secret, I will tell you, has gotten a lot better. 111 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,480 I actually worked at Victoria's Secret when I was in college, way 112 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,360 before I ever knew I was interested in bras 113 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,880 and I was pursuing a communications degree. 114 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,640 And I became a journalist right out of college. 115 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:53,000 And I sort of became interested at that time. 116 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,480 But back then it was, you know, you were trained to make sure 117 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,720 that people walked out the door with bras in hand. 118 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,880 So because it's very expensive for a bra company 119 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,400 to make a lot of different skews, which are a lot of different sizes 120 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,440 for them to have 25, 30 different sizes 121 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,800 on their racks, that's very expensive for them to do. 122 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,600 So like in the nineties, for example, Victoria's Secret 123 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,760 would have their course size range that they would carry in their stores 124 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:25,640 and they would train you to fit every woman into those sizes. 125 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,760 So you could be actually measuring a 32 126 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,840 F and we would have you walking out the door in a 38 C, 127 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,280 it's called sister sizing because bra sizes are based on volume. 128 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,800 So that was how the industry was. 129 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:38,920 And then the the 130 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:40,760 European 131 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,880 brands were a totally different animal sold in specialty shops. 132 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,440 They would have a lot more sizes, but the sizing was different, right? 133 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,520 And they would kind of fit more true to size. 134 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,480 So companies like Victoria's Secret have gotten better, 135 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,240 I think more because of outcry from customers and women getting educated 136 00:06:56,280 --> 00:06:59,360 and learning about how to fit the proper bra mean. 137 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,160 I was the first person to ever write a book on bras. 138 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,520 This came out before social media. 139 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,120 The first edition came out in 2007, 140 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:10,800 you know, after Oprah's big bra intervention show. 141 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,440 And I and I really think I was part of helping 142 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,400 educate to women, which was really important to me, 143 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,760 especially as a journalist, as I'm sure you can relate to. 144 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,440 That's what we do. 145 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,200 You know, we bring something valuable to the public. 146 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,920 So I felt like here I am educating consumers. 147 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,240 And I think women got more educated about it and went to these companies 148 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,120 and said, You need to make my size. 149 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,040 And so they're making a lot more sizes now, which is really nice. 150 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:37,800 But yes, 151 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,120 do dress your point about the fact 152 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,360 that all of the companies have different sizing systems. 153 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:42,760 What a lot of 154 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,640 people don't know is that companies use fit models. 155 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,920 And these models are real people. 156 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,760 They're not like a computer generated thing. 157 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,680 It's like you or I going in there. 158 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,840 So it's become subjective because 159 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,840 say you're the fit model for a company and you go in there 160 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,480 and they measure you and they say, okay, you're are 34 C, 161 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,760 you could be another company could measure you and put you in a different size. 162 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:09,240 Yeah. 163 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:10,960 So that's where it becomes somewhat subjective 164 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,600 and then they base their whole line on your body essentially. 165 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,920 So you end up having like all of these different 166 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:24,720 kind of bras with different styles, with with sizes 167 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,960 that aren't standard across the board because of that reason. 168 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:30,960 I mean, but it sounds like helpless. 169 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,000 So like what, what are we supposed to do? 170 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,080 Or is it just like before you buy any brand, 171 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,640 you have to go on their sizing chart or get fit? 172 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:41,080 Yeah. Yeah. 173 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,120 So the first step really is measuring yourself 174 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,920 and kind of having at least the two measurements as a guideline. 175 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,720 The great thing is many companies now are offering further help with that. 176 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,280 So it goes beyond just like clicking on a size chart on their website, 177 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,880 they're actually offering you customer service reps who might be 178 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:00,480 trained and profiting. 179 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,680 I went to the Chez Fit headquarters years ago in Michigan 180 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,800 and she she so smart because she wanted her customer service 181 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,320 people to be able to really help women fit with her bras. 182 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,720 So I trained the whole staff in how to get a proper fitting bra 183 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,440 and I spent the whole day with them, so they became certified in profit 184 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,200 and now they can pass that along to consumers. 185 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,680 So it was great because, you know, you can 186 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,520 and they also have like apps and fit tools 187 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,320 like I know Thirdlove has some stuff, quizzes, that sort of thing, 188 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,200 some companies are addressing breast shape, 189 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,760 which is another thing that women never think of. 190 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,400 So if you're a little more volume heavy in the bottom of your breast, 191 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,280 you might need a different style than someone who has that like 192 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:49,920 top volume, heavy breast. 193 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,880 Or if you have more of like a 194 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,560 teardrop shaped breast as opposed to a round breast, 195 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,400 you might have a different style or be have different needs than a woman 196 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:02,560 and vice versa. 197 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:04,080 So companies 198 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,680 are really stepping up to the plate and kind of addressing all of this. 199 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,120 You know, I want to say to 200 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,120 going back to close the bell, because I did they had virtual fittings. 201 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,760 So that's become a popular thing. 202 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,400 I do that as well. 203 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,760 And for people who reach out that ask me for that, I'll do that as well. 204 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,400 Which is helpful. 205 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,160 And you know, we are really kind of addressing women right now, 206 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:32,680 but I know that a lot of companies now are starting to make bras for 207 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:37,720 for men and for people who might identify as a different gender. 208 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,680 There's a whole new market of inclusivity 209 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:44,520 that is coming out the word of around, which is really, really exciting. 210 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:45,960 And that's going to be very different, right? 211 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,280 Because somebody who maybe was born a biological male is going 212 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:54,000 to have different proportions, perhaps. Yes. 213 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,840 And a what typically. Right. 214 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,120 You would have that lighter than size 215 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,000 and oftentimes they would have breast implants. 216 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,960 So, yes, that would be a different need 217 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,320 when it comes to bras and a lot of companies are doing that. 218 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:11,480 I also learned when I launched the gym bra, I had a bunch of people 219 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,760 write to me on Tik-Tok and say, Can you make a binder? 220 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,040 And I thought that was so interesting. 221 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,280 So a lot of them non-binary people, 222 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:22,720 they look for 223 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:27,280 something to bind the breasts and called the binder and they were like, 224 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,200 We would love a binder with a crystal, a healing crystal in the center. 225 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:31,880 We love the idea, we love the concept. 226 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,920 And I was like, Oh my gosh, I would love to do this for you. 227 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,120 I will definitely put that in my plans for the future. 228 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,640 So it's really interesting 229 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:47,880 to see how even just the 15 years that I've been circulating around 230 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,360 in the industry that see how things have evolved 231 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,800 for for people, I mean. 232 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,320 It's just it's wonderful. 233 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,320 You are you going to you're going to do a binder? 234 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,080 I would love to. 235 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,480 So my I launched 236 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:09,160 as a startup basically during the pandemic because I had a prototype 237 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,840 and I pitched it to QVC and I won their big find contest. 238 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:18,320 And so I did one production run, self-funded, one bra for QVC. 239 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:19,720 Thank you. 240 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:24,240 So which was like still scares me to death, to be honest with you. 241 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:25,160 I'm like, 242 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,080 every day I wake up, like, in a sweat, and why did I do the right thing? 243 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:33,000 I sold most of my inventory and I had so much positive feedback 244 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,600 and so many women were so receptive to what I was trying to do, 245 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:43,320 not only with just making good bras that kind of fit the most amount of people, 246 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,440 but also that had the angle with the the healing crystal. 247 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,160 So kind of uplifting you both in body and soul. 248 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,880 So I really wanted there it is right there. 249 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,960 So that's the soda light in the tan bra, which is probably attract peace. 250 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,720 So that was something that I really wanted to do. 251 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:06,680 But I need funding to move forward further funding. 252 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:10,400 So I'm in that same boat as so many female entrepreneurs 253 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,640 where I am looking for partnerships, our funding, 254 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:20,200 applying for grants, all sorts of things like that to try and move forward, but 255 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,720 you know, luckily in in my business and in my field, 256 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,920 I do still consult for a lot of different intimate apparel companies. 257 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,080 And I still have my writing and my TV work. 258 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,560 So I'm still out there, you know, 259 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,560 doing column in and doing stuff. 260 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,600 Oh, I want to wish you the best of luck because I think it's 261 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,600 you know, it's certainly not easy to be a business owner. 262 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,960 I just I can't even imagine. Right. 263 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,360 You know, you mentioned you have so much experience 264 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,840 working with a variety of different brands. 265 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,560 You know, it's October, it's Breast Cancer Awareness Month 266 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,680 when it comes to, you know, women who are going through treatment 267 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:06,480 who might have had to have a mastectomy, one or both breasts. 268 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,840 You know, I know there's a lot more companies that are coming up. 269 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,000 Are you familiar with any that that you've worked with that 270 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,160 really have nailed this? 271 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,840 Ana Ohno is amazing. 272 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,200 She is a breast cancer survivor 273 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,400 and she has made 274 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,320 a line of bras and intimate apparel that really address 275 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:34,360 the different concerns of women who have gone through breast cancer surgeries. 276 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,600 So, like you mentioned, there is a unilateral mastectomy. 277 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,080 There's a bilateral mastectomy. 278 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:41,640 There are some women who have implants. 279 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:46,000 There's one implant, there's there's all different pieces. 280 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,720 And so she actually made something 281 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,040 made different styles that accommodate all of them. 282 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,560 So she's been getting a lot of press and buzz lately just because 283 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,560 she's really serving kind of that underserved market right. 284 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,960 And then, Jane, Chris Criss into this, 285 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:09,600 she is also a breast cancer survivor and made some really unique bras 286 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,200 that are really meant for post surgery. 287 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,240 So it's great that you have these 288 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,000 kind of trailblazers that are doing that. 289 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,120 And I think because of their personal journeys, just like mine, 290 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,120 you know, something we can all relate to, they're kind of like on a mission, 291 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,840 basically to make it happen and get everything out there 292 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:37,480 because of how what they went through and their desire to help other women. 293 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,640 So I really appreciate that too, because for me 294 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,720 it's never been about a moneymaking venture. 295 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,400 Like, of course you need to put food on your table. 296 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,360 And I have four children, let's be honest. 297 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:53,120 Like children are expensive, but but in my heart, 298 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,560 it's always been about helping people 299 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,200 and getting, you know, kind of using my platform, using my voice 300 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,240 to be able to reach as many women as possible and people as possible, 301 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,880 as opposed to just like making a living. 302 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,160 Right. Which I think is so great. You know, 303 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,640 you mentioned before 304 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,640 taking a very different turn, right. 305 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,280 But that these two incredible founders, you know, 306 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,800 went through this and had this I'm going to offer up my own personal. 307 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,240 So I had a breast lift because I went from 308 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,640 in a cup to a cup when I was like in seventh grade overnight. 309 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:38,480 Wow. You know, and I grew up always with with large, you know, not yeah. 310 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:43,560 Larger breasts, but not like giant breasts, but like large breast, you know. 311 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,760 And by the time I got to 41, they they had sagged. 312 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:47,880 I never nursed a child. 313 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:52,120 So it wasn't super dramatic, but I wanted to kind of get my groove back on 314 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,520 one of the things that was interesting to me. 315 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,760 So I went to one of the top breast surgeons really in the world. 316 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:01,640 He recommended me. 317 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,840 So he recommended the Victoria's Secret sports bra. 318 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,360 That is the knock out the. 319 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:12,960 Knockout bra, knock out maximum support that has the bra inside. 320 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:13,400 And then 321 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:14,880 it's so funny. 322 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,600 I wear it every day now. 323 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,560 All the time, mostly because I work from home. 324 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,440 Of course I wear like other bras as I'm going out somewhere. 325 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,560 But it's funny, he actually that was like he's like, that is the best thing. 326 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,720 And, and when I was recovering 327 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,160 from surgery, he's like, this is going to be great for you. 328 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,800 So if anybody's using a little bit of compression. 329 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,680 Compression and. More. 330 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:38,560 But here's another thing. 331 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:39,800 If you're thinking about we've talked 332 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,280 about breast implants before and breast revision surgery. 333 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,320 One thing that I was surprised, so I thought, okay, I'm 334 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:47,160 going to have my breast. 335 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,560 Leslie put in a small implant to keep the size and volume. 336 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,560 I thought, Oh my God, my life is going to be changed 337 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,760 because I, I'm going to be able to never I don't have to wear a bra anymore. 338 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,040 Big, big misconception. 339 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,800 My doctor was like, I want you in a bra 23 out of 24 hours 340 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,040 a day, because otherwise we're just going to get right back. 341 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,040 Yeah so. Where they were. 342 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:14,880 I implants do sag normal breast tissue sags 343 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,040 it's skin it's ligaments every everybody will sag. 344 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,040 Genetics are a huge, huge part of all this. 345 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,520 I have a similar story to you in that I had a breast reconstruction. 346 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,640 I've actually had to breast surgeries. 347 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,480 I had a lift on one breast because I developed as a teenager with 348 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:38,240 something called tubular breast deformity, which really sucks. 349 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:39,640 Yeah, really. 350 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,440 Like so dramatic. 351 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,720 I had a really severe case of it and I was like, What is this? 352 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,120 I grew up in a small town in upstate New York. 353 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:51,240 Like, we didn't have even like stores near. 354 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,480 I mean, it was like my mom owned the local clothing store. 355 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:55,840 You know, and I. 356 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,760 Was like, I know there was like. 357 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,840 There was no we didn't have like a Wal-Mart, I don't think at that time. 358 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,000 And I, I was like, what can I do? 359 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:08,880 So I just hit it and like, was shameful, ashamed of myself 360 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:12,880 for being looking this way until I graduated college. 361 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,880 And I got my first job at an NBC affiliate and I realized 362 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,080 I could have surgery and fix it. 363 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,920 And I financed the surgery and I went to my parents 364 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,280 and my parents were like, wow, we had no idea because I would wear 365 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,000 Victoria's Secret miracle bras and I would take out the padding 366 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,720 on the one side and leave the padding on the other side. 367 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,200 And undershirts, I would kind of look normal 368 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,920 and I would also wear that bathing suit in the summer. 369 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,720 The miracle bra bathing suit did the same thing, 370 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,160 so people didn't really know, like they weren't studying 371 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,840 my breasts to know like, oh my gosh, they look so different from each other. 372 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,640 I had like over a cup size difference between the two. Wow. 373 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,040 Plus one was tubular and one was like a normal shape but saggy. 374 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,040 So it was pretty bad to be like 14, 15, 16 years old 375 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,640 and looking down at yourself or looking at yourself in the mirror 376 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,840 and being like, Oh my God, why do I look this way? 377 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:04,800 You know? 378 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,960 And all the other girls, like, I would look around in the locker room 379 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,080 after gym class and the girls, these like round perky boobs. 380 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,360 And I'm like, What the hell's the matter with me? 381 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:15,880 Like, I'm a weirdo, you know? 382 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,840 So I ended up opting for surgery is not for everyone. But 383 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,400 yes, to your point about the fact that even if you've 384 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,160 had breast surgery and you have implants or that sort of thing, 385 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,960 you definitely need a well-fitting supportive bra. 386 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,520 There's been studies out of the University of Portsmouth in England, 387 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,680 which kind of has been the forefront front for the studies on this stuff. 388 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,120 And they put women on a treadmill. 389 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:46,720 So even if you're just walking around like you're running errands 390 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,240 or dropping the kids off at school, like you're just walking on a treadmill, 391 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,640 you're not running nothing high impact. 392 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,640 You're they found that your breasts still move up and down 393 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,720 a significant amount when not supported by a bra. 394 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,600 And even if you're in a cup, they moved up and down the length of a paper clip. 395 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,680 So even if you think, oh, I'm so small, I don't like remember way back 396 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,120 when Katie Holmes running the New York City Marathon with no bra 397 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:13,440 and it was like a big story, you know, they were like, oh, 398 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,560 my God, she's very small statured. 399 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,880 And she probably didn't feel like she needed it. 400 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,240 But there are a lot of studies. 401 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:25,720 So if you are concerned about sagging and esthetics and even like to me 402 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:30,360 that can cause pain as well over time, I really believe that. 403 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,840 So that's like an interesting question thing that people always ask me about. 404 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,680 They're like, Oh, do you need a bra? 405 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,760 Especially there's been a lot of debate about whether or not sagging can happen 406 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:41,880 when you're sleeping. 407 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,160 So there's this whole thing 408 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,560 like movement of women who swear by sleeping in their bra. 409 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,640 And then. There's my. Brother. 410 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:49,400 Me too. 411 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,800 Every single night I sleep all night. 412 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,200 Now I never get more. 413 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,040 Comfortable, though I never will in my opinion. 414 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:57,640 I never did. 415 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:58,160 I never did. 416 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,120 Prior to that, I wore bras every day. 417 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:01,480 I had to. 418 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:02,280 Yeah, but. 419 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,160 But now I sleep in a bra and but I sleep in, like, 420 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,520 you know, like like like it could be like a like a lace camisole. 421 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:09,480 It's not. It's not. 422 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,880 Yeah, but I'm telling you, everybody out every day. 423 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:12,560 I'm in that 424 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:14,560 that knock out 425 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,560 bra running my errands at the grocery store, 426 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,000 on meetings with Zoom when I don't have to be on clothes. 427 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,560 That's what I'm doing, right? 428 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:22,920 Yeah. 429 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:27,120 You know, I'd like to put off having another surgery for as long as I can. 430 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,200 It's not fun. 431 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,800 Yeah, no, they aren't fun. 432 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,720 And I've also been kind of exploring 433 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,120 with a lot of women recently on Facebook boards 434 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:40,760 and just other friends of mine who actually, I don't know, there 435 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,760 ended up being like three or four people at one time that I knew that 436 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:49,320 felt that they had breast implant illness and opted to get those out. 437 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,640 My implants are about 20 years old at this point, 438 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,280 are older than that and also silicone. 439 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,400 So I don't have any symptoms personally and I'm not 440 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,560 I have no plans right now to get mine removed. 441 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,760 But that's been a whole big thing, too. 442 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:04,920 You have this whole 443 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,760 sector of women coming out 444 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,040 who are asking about how to 445 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,720 what do they do now for bras going back to their smaller natural breasts 446 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,720 when they've had these implants for like so long. 447 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:19,560 Right. 448 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,360 Because they're opting to take them out 449 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:24,480 and get a lift or whatever and just have natural breasts. 450 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,840 So you have all kinds of like things going on right now 451 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,080 in that in that world, which is interesting. 452 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:33,640 I don't know. 453 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,640 You know, that's something that hasn't been researched enough yet, 454 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,240 whether your implants really can make you sick. 455 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,800 And again, I don't have any personal experience with that and that, 456 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,880 you know, I've had mine in a long time. 457 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:53,040 So but there are there are there is some talk of that lately. 458 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:53,560 Yeah. 459 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,640 We've seen a lot of we've done a lot of, 460 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,200 you know, talk about breasts on this podcast. 461 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,520 And as you've heard before, you know, make sure no matter what, 462 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,960 if you're considering any breast surgery, whether it's a reduction, 463 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:11,160 whether it is implants, do you have a talk with your physician that you ask about? 464 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,320 All the side effects, all the rest? Yes. 465 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,520 Ask about the recovery, everything possible. 466 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,440 You know, that's what you got to do. 467 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,360 I do want to segment really quickly 468 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:25,200 because I want to talk about, first of all, the bra book. 469 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,680 You know, there is so much going on, but this is such a great book. 470 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,720 I love that you've covered everything from the history, which you call it 471 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,760 the herstory of bras all the way 472 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,320 up to fit tips fitting for your body shape. 473 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,600 Fitting for your breast shape, right. 474 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,400 Whether it's your drop, more volume up top, more volume on the bottom, too. 475 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,520 Also talking like 476 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,760 you know how to address puberty and wearing a bra with your teenagers. 477 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:52,640 Yeah. 478 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,640 So if you want to look in 479 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:00,600 and if you are looking for everything that you could possibly know, I love this. 480 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:01,640 The bra book. 481 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,400 It also talks about swimwear, which is really great. 482 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:05,880 It's been updated. 483 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,000 So that's actually the second printing 484 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:11,360 which came out in 2017. 485 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,560 So it has been updated. 486 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,440 I actually did go back and revise some things from the first edition 487 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,200 that I learned over time I felt differently about, which was interesting. 488 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,200 One of those things being fitness. 489 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,760 I used to feel really strongly 490 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,200 that you couldn't do anything to boost your bust with fitness. 491 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,080 And then I became really into weight training. 492 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,920 I had basically a near-death experience. 493 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,440 I had a blood clot in my lung 494 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,040 right before, right before I was writing the second edition and learned 495 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,360 that I had this genetic predisposition to clots that I never knew I had. 496 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,520 So which is scary. 497 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,200 So after that, I decided to really take care of myself. 498 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,280 And I got really into fitness 499 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,120 and into weight training and I actually noticed a difference in my breasts. 500 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:00,800 I felt like they looked perkier, so I was like, You know what? 501 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:05,120 So I went back and I revised that section of different kind of chest exercises 502 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:06,600 that you can do to boost the buzz. 503 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,880 And that I added swimwear and shapewear because I felt like, 504 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,760 you know, these are parts of intimate apparel that in the past few years, 505 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,160 since the first edition came out that are really kind of important 506 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,040 now, I don't need a big shapewear. 507 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,520 Maybe Spanx had come out in 2009 when the first edition came out. 508 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,200 But right. 509 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:26,640 Right. 510 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,040 So it was like you have so much more available to you. 511 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,400 So I said to my publisher was like, It's time for a second edition. 512 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,200 And I said, Oh, I like we have to add all this stuff. 513 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,920 So I kind of took out my own personal story, which I had shared 514 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,200 more in the first edition, which I felt everybody kind of already knows that. 515 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,640 Now, if you followed me all, you already know my journey. 516 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,640 And now it's more about you and less about me, you know? 517 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,600 So I was like, What more can I bring to you and bring you this kind of Bible? 518 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,040 And it is a nice kind of like coffee table type book. 519 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,080 Yeah, it's definitely a conversation piece. 520 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,040 You know, and great lesson. 521 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,440 Also great for, you know, what's really cute. 522 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,920 My girlfriend sent me a gift when I got my my new my new ladies. 523 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,920 So, like, you know, I don't know if, you know, somebody is getting breast surgery. 524 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,240 That's kind of a nice thing to have because they're going to need. 525 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,080 That gift card. 526 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,120 How to refit it before we let you go, because we are running out of time here. 527 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,120 Let's talk about the gym bras. 528 00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:24,680 You know, we mentioned yes, we know that this is a line for QVC. 529 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,320 But what was the what was the thought behind putting a gem in the bra? 530 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:31,800 So a lot of women 531 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,720 wear crystals in their bras, whether, you know, it's happening or not. 532 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,800 It's a big, big thing nowadays. 533 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,160 And it's funny because I got into Tik-Tok when I was launching the bra 534 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,560 and I learned that the community, especially, they are so into crystals 535 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,880 and women have been putting crystals in their bras for, 536 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,560 I don't know, however long, forever basically. 537 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,000 And each crystal kind of brings with it different sort of power. 538 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,880 And it's not something new like crystals. 539 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,800 Jerusalem was built in crystals. 540 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,160 That's how far back we've been talking about the power of crystals. 541 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,960 So I thought this would be really neat if I can embed a crystal in a bra. 542 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,280 It's a patented design where it's affixed to the center of the bra, 543 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,000 so you never have to worry about it. 544 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,200 You never feel it doesn't fall out, but it's the first thing that you put on 545 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,160 during the day, 546 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,200 like you mentioned earlier, and you know that that's there with you. 547 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,080 So it's already you're feeling better when you put it on because it's 548 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,760 bringing you that kind of feeling. 549 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,880 So whichever crystal it is, it's evoking that sort of thing. 550 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,440 Like the amethyst really inspires confidence and courage. 551 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,600 And that was in my attractive best bra, which was the black gem bra. 552 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,240 So you could feel that right away by just putting this on. 553 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,480 It's like, again, back to self-care, what I talked about in the beginning. 554 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,840 Here's your tiny, teeny, tiny little act of self care that if you have 555 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,240 no time in your day, you already did something, you're already set. 556 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:56,880 I love that. 557 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,040 Hey, Neal, if people want to know 558 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,720 more about the book or purchase the bra, where should they go? 559 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,200 Okay, so my website is Ginny 560 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,280 Luciano Ecom, which kind of links to everything. 561 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,760 And that's also a forum. 562 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,800 If you don't follow social media or you're not into social media, 563 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:15,960 you can find me there, obviously. 564 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,880 But that's a forum that you can write into me. 565 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,920 You can ask me questions. 566 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,600 The gem bra, gembra.com 567 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,440 is the place to buy 568 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,680 the remainder of what is left from gem bras. 569 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:29,880 But they don't have much left. 570 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,920 I don't have a ton of sizes, but it is offered in small to three x which is cool. 571 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,600 So accommodating a lot of different sizes. 572 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,440 And the book is Amazon, Barnes and Noble. 573 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,840 Really any place that you buy books. 574 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,080 I love that. 575 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:44,680 And don't forget, 576 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,760 you know, if you want to 577 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,040 do a personal fitting with Jene, you can also reach out to her on 578 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,760 her website would reach. Out to me. Really great. 579 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,280 And because she's worked with so many, you can kind of guide us, you know, if 580 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,320 I'm also going to be introduced 581 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,520 as just a new boss, I want to thank you so much for being with us today 582 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,840 Jene. Thanks for having me. 583 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,960 Thanks so much for having me. It's fun talking with you. 584 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,520 It's so great talking with you. 585 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,200 And of course, if you at home have any questions 586 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,760 you want to pass along to Jene, I'm always happy to do that. 587 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,440 You can email us at Hello at Art Beauty podcast dot com. 588 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,640 You can find us on Facebook, Instagram and YouTube at Art Beauty podcast. 589 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,720 And as always, we will see you next Tuesday, hopefully in a 590 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:31,480 better fitting bra by, right?