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This is the Art Beauty podcast,
where we are always reaching for truth

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in beauty. Remember, the brands on here
are not paying to be here.

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So we get to ask the questions
that you want answered

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because you deserve to be informed

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so you can make the best decisions
for yourself.

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With that, I'm Amber.

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I'll be your host today, am I?

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Fabulous
co-hosts are Shay Sim and Nadya Kozlova.

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They are the founders of Viktor

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Michael, a line that is created
just for post injection care.

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We're going to be talking all about that.

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But before we do,
welcome to the show, ladies.

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Thanks for being here.

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Thank you for having us.

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Harvey, where are you?

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Where are you guys
located? In the country?

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We're in Seattle, Washington.

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Okay, great.

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And now, you know,

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before we get into these products,
because I do want to talk a little bit

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about post injection care, why it matters,
what's going to sort of set this apart.

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But you both have a very interesting and
sort of long history in the beauty market.

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Can you tell us a little bit about that?

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Absolutely.

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I was wondering, I was looking at
that was like, okay, you just said,

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so I'm not in I have been in the medical
supply industry for over 23 years.

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We opened up our own
three clinics back in 2010.

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So we've had the pleasure
of seeing the bad, the good, the ugly

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from all aspects of the medicine business.

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So we're just really lucky
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industry in the space back when we did.

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And Nadya where were you guys?

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Just the owners of It's Cucumber, right?

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Was the name of your of your investment
in lemons?

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Yes. Cucumbers, cucumber clouds.

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And were you both esthetic
like were you nurses?

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Were you doing injections or were you
sort of the brains behind the stores?

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Believe it or not,
we just came up with this amazing

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brand that we've been in medical esthetics
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Aside
now, the fun node is that we actually were

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one of the first people introducing Botox
and injectables into the market

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back in the days when nobody knew
what these injectables are all about.

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In the beginning, I didn't even know
how to pronounce it the proper way.

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So it's been a long, long journey.

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But we're not injectors.

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We're not estheticians,
although we probably were in the past life

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at some point.

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But we know how to do it,
which is don't practice.

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Gotcha. And you've probably seen

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thousands, if not

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tens of thousands of injections
being done.

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Oh, absolutely.

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And having them done. Yes.

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So, you know, let's talk
a little bit about injections.

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You know, when we get things like Botox.

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I've had Botox myself before.

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You know, I know bruising is common.

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What are some of the other symptoms
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people have in your metal spots?

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I think I mean, it can get as bad
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You're talking
bruising, swelling, inflammation,

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and that's all
without the potential of contraindication.

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Right. Because that can happen, too.

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But just the basics,
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it looks like a murder scene
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And next day and we have some photos
to show that you will swell up.

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We don't care how amazing
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This is what we always say,
is that injector could be the most

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amazing person
and having the most amazing technique.

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But that's just how the body is,
Why this is just how we respond.

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So even in our clinics,
we say, Hey, we're awesome.

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You will swell up, you will bruise up.

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But now you've got a tool to work with.

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You know, I've got to be honest.

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So I work with Newbeauty magazine as well.

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And one of the doctors had pictures

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and said,
Hey, Amber has never had lip injections.

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What if we did a first time
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the recovery is like for that,
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I'll just deal with my thin lips,
because it really, no matter what.

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I haven't seen anybody who doesn't swell.

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And the swelling can be very vast
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It could be 3 to 5 days?

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Up to two weeks?

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who doesn't want to go out and it
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or like you went to a really bad injector
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. It'd be terrifying.

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It could be very minimal
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You know.

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And Nadia, I know, too, whenever I go
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I make sure I do not drink anything.

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But for me, I found that
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that's when the bruising really
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Have you found
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Before you can come in,
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what led us to it,
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how to make you go was less swelling,
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So no drinking.

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And I understand what you're saying
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for like a week prior
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And still,
if they get a little blood vessel

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somewhere,
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So you kind of know, walking out of there
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it is more like a week
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But for injectables, like.

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Like fillers,
I'm sure that's a little bit different.

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Correct.

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You probably have to have a little bit
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What are some of the
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and who might be considering
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without getting into specific products,
Do you have any tips for people at home

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for things that they can do to help
minimize the swelling?

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So you want to definitely stop
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Just not knowing exactly
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the bruising and the swelling.

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So we always advise,
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for at least 24 hours. Right.

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you know, start taking some arnica
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And of course, obviously, we can get into
other products and everything.

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But prepping the body
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the needle is going to be hitting
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It doesn't matter who your injector is.

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A needle is puncturing the skin.

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We are causing a wound and anything
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an oral arnica, that's typically what
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And then, you know, just after
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And everybody wants to touch.

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It really comes down to just take
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by not taking anything as far
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but that's all you can really do,
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You know, and of course, it goes without
saying, no smoking to go out in the sun.

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All these things
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But sometimes we need a gentle reminder.
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So, you know, prior to having skin care.

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Or Victor Michael, which is a skincare
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to help minimize this sort of post
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bruising, swelling,
what was our only options? Ice.

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That's pretty much it.

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So and that's why that was sort
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because you're really only option
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and here's your ice pack and here's
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Options.

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Associate what was it that made you

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the sort of the lights would go off
and say well we need something?

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And then how did you figure out
what you needed to do?

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So being on the back side

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and the front side of medical space
and injections in general, right.

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We get to we work with the patients
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And the number one deterrent when it comes
to injections is the fear of downtime.

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And anybody will walk in.

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I want fillers, I want Botox.

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But the second question that always
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I have an event schedule.

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We have holidays coming up.

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My husband's going to be gone
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How do I schedule this in?

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I got three days to recover.

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So in our in our world, it's
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you have post care for pills,
You don't have post care for injections.

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Why is that right?

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After 23 years of Botox
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Cosmo DERM, Cosmo Place
being introduced back in 1999 2000,

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why don't we have a pre and post

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injection care recovery system, right?

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So what we've done is

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we've taken what all of our amazing
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That is the directions of go to rioted,
get your aunt a care

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go to the next you know Rite Aid or target
go get your bromelain.

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Go pick up whatever you can do to help
prevent bruising, swelling, inflammation.

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So we took this recipe list that
we were sending all of our customers to

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and we said, let's put this in a bottle.

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Let's make this magic happen.

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Let's figure this out. What can we do?

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That's where the experiment started
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And we're like, Holy cow, this is amazing.

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We need to now take it to the next level.

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So then that's how Victor Mike
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Amazing. And Nadia, you know what?

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You mentioned some of the ingredients,
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about what what you decided
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We've got two products here.

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What goes in them?

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What is sort of the magic,
the secret in the sauce?

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So the secret of the sauce is our patent
pending injection care complex.

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We're obsessed with that.

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If I could, I want to bathe in it.

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It is a combination of arnica Dragon's

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Blood, Babassu, Oil and Gremlin.

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And in the serum, you have it at
the highest levels where Arnica is at 15%.

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And this is probably the pure is the most
amazing thing you could do for your skin.

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It's a phenomenal serum.

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I call it my little liquid gold

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and I use it every single day,
although you don't have to,

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but it's just the purest forms
of all these amazing ingredients combined.

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The Yeah, it's so good.

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It's beautiful.

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What's funny is that it's
now trending for a makeup primer.

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So who would have know
that we're going to do that, right?

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Because it goes so well in your skin.

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We have formulated with everything
with EWG in mind,

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so everything is great.

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It doesn't leave
any of the residue on the skin.

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It goes out like it's a marriage finish.

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So it's just really good for you.

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It's so funny that you said that
because when I tried it the first time,

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first of all, I love the way it smells.

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So when I tried it the first time, to me,
I really got this feeling.

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I was like, Oh, this feels like a primer.

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It's hard to sort of tell here,
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sort of like a like a silicone base,
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That's perfect for makeup.

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Good to know.

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So is this something that you know
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only for injections, or is it skincare
that you can use all the time?

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So you want to.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Victor Michael, sort of the beauty
blender of the makeup industry.

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We blend in with every single skin care
first and foremost.

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So it doesn't matter what skin regimen
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We could just sneak that little serum
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you absolutely can use this
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So when we're talking about the injection
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not only are those main ingredients

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in the formula, but we've also added
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in there as far as like antioxidants
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Hydrator is to keep that skin
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So what we're noticing is that your skin
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and after, and people are continuing
to use the product way after.

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We've unfortunately,
you know, we have a lot of people

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sending us a lot of udc's about,
oh my God, we're using this for a sunburn.

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We're using this for,

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you know, some dry skin and we're like,
can we focus on injections?

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Right, right, right.

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Well, listen, it's good, though,
if people kind of understand

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you know, they're falling in love with it
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you know, for most of us,
injections are like every 3 to 6 months.

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So you want something that,

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you know, maybe people could use
a little bit more energy.

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And by the way, I love the packaging
and I love the names of this.

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So there's a taking a step back.

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There's only two products in the line
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The spray mask.

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So this is the chow for now mask.

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Tell us a little bit about what's in this.

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So the mask is a cowl and clay base mask.

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It has ginger root
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It has some watermelon extract.

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It also has some reddish lists in there.

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This mask is a recovery mask.

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You can pre-treat with the mask, too,
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Contact. It cools and calms the skin.

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Oh, my gosh.

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If you just put it on, you feel
how it just chills and really just do.

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So imagine getting your fillers done
and you are just you're you're inflamed,

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you're sorry your tender
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and it's like, oh, this is all so amazing.

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And we have people asleep in this mask
and we're like, okay, yeah, big time mask.

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It's okay. They sleep in it.

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I feel like it would get all over
my pillowcases.

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It would be a very normal tosser.

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Turner Right.

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Is it even on when you wake up?

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I don't know.

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But it's we use
it also called the zoom ready mask.

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Now that's sort of what everyone's using
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you know, regardless of injections

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you throw that mask on
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So it's a deal.

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And Nadia, you know,
is there a right way to use it?

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So I was looking because it's not just,
you know, it is post injection care,

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but you actually should start using this
before the injections, correct.

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Cause a little bit about the right way
to use the system.

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Oh, absolutely.

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You can.

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Well, if you're not me, I'm
using that every single day.

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Then what you should really be doing
is getting ready for your injections.

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Right.

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So you could start it as soon as
three times prior to the injections.

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And then that you, you can technically
pre-treat with both the mask this year.

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But we kept it super simple
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want to have these crazy instructions
for people to get confused with.

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Right. So start with the serum.

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Three days prior to get your injections

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and then a few hours later
start using your serum again

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and then add the mask
as a booster for control.

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You can actually stick
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get it a little more cold
so it's a little better for you.

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But it also has some built
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So it would go as well
just as it is for you.

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So just follow up with the Zimmerman

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the mask and then use it as needed.

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Typically, within three days
you're good to go.

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But if you needed to use it

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for a little longer,
then just continue using as needed.

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And is the mask a daily use
or is that kind of use like once

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after the post injection and then maybe
just keep it up with the serum?

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We would recommend using it
morning and night.

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The mask.

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For myself, when I get injected,
I blow up, I sweat lab, I blow up,

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we're chasing inflammation
the second that needle gets into my skin.

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So I'm one of those really

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easy patients with a lot of anxiety
that goes into that chair.

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So I start using the mask
maybe every two or 3 hours on it.

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Okay. Yeah.

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And then afterwards, just maybe at night,
a morning.

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A night. That's what the instructions say.

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But as needed, I would say so
definitely more than just twice a day.

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Amazing. And okay.

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Is there any thoughts I imagine that
you can probably use this around the lips.

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It might not be super comfortable
to be putting serum mask on the lips.

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We started talking about lips.

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Is there anything that you're
thinking of specifically for lip care?

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Absolutely.

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So actually,
our lip product will be out in the fall,

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and it's actually one of our very
first SKUs we started working on.

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And it has probably been
the most challenging

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because to try to get to all of our
amazing active ingredients

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and a beautiful lip product
and not compromise,

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the efficacy has been
the biggest challenge and we've nailed it.

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So we're finally in the stage
to get this ready for launch.

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So we're really excited for Lip.

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I have it on right now.

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I wear it every single day.

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It's a beautiful neutral color
and the lip name is called Nipple Nude.

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Oh, so it's going to be it's actually
going to be like in a color as well.

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It's very Mauvey Nipple nude tense.

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Nipple nude. I love that.

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So, ladies, I have to ask, you know, where
if people are interested

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in finding your products,
where should they go?

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While there's

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a few
places they can find this up right now?

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Obviously our website, ViktorMichael dot
com “Viktor” with a K

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and then we're also launched with Moda
operandi.

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We're incredibly excited about it
as well as some beauty out of New York

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so you can find us
and load up on our website.

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And then we have a ton of retailers
that we are aligning with as well

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for later launch.

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You know what?

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Before I let you go,
I forgot the most important thing.

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What what have been the results of this?

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Like, what have people said after using
that this has it reduced the time?

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Do you have any sort of concrete facts
on that or figures?

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We have actually done a perception
study, blind study testing

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and we had scored up in the 97 100%
consumer test panel saying

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that has been the number one best pre
and post injection care they've ever used.

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Okay.

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97% of the panelists said that it by day

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two they're redness swelling, inflammation
has been reduced by over 50%.

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So yeah our studies have been
just absolutely mind blowing.

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But let me just share Amber,
the number one feedback that we get

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and that we are absolutely in love
with is the testimonials that we received

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from the consumer panelists
that we got after the study.

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And they said it was life changing,
that having a product like this going on,

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their injection journey,
for them to know that they have something

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because sometimes it's just more than just
the vanity, right?

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It's all about just how they feel.

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And for them to now get injections
and to know that they have something

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to help comfort, to reduce the swelling,
not because somebody is looking at them,

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but because the way it makes them feel
it has been life changing.

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So that has been the best feedback
we've received.

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Well, I love I love to hear that.

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Always exciting to see new products
coming into the market.

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And thank you for being sort
of having the foresight to think, Hey,

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this is a need that we need to fill,

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pun intended and done, that

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If people want to know more about you,
where can they go

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right now? They can go to our website.

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www.ViktorMichael dot
com Moda operandi dot

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com Shenbeauty dot com and cucumber
skin lounge dot com.

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Amazing and Nayda
if people are in the Seattle area

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can you give a little bit of a shout out
for your spots where can they find them.

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Hi team so we have relocated funds
you can find us in Bellingham in Bellevue

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and in Seattle
and just come to our medical stores

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and Cucumber Skin
Lounge has a ton of Viktor Michael.

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So amazing.

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Wonderful.

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Well, I want to thank you both
for being on with me today.

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Really appreciate you coming here.

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And if you're listening at home
and you have questions that you want me

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to pass on to the team at Viktor
Michael, I'm always happy to do so.

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You can email me at hello at Art
Beauty podcast dot com.

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You can find us on Facebook, Instagram
and YouTube at Art Beauty podcast.

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And as always, we'll see you next Tuesday,
hopefully with a little less

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swelling and bruising. Bye!