1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,720 This is the Art Beauty podcast, where we are always reaching for truth 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:05,400 and beauty. Remember the brands on the show? 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,920 We're not paying to be here, so we get to asking the questions 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,520 that you want answered because you deserve to be informed 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,440 so you can make the best choices for yourself. 6 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,120 With that said, I'm in today. 7 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,000 My fabulous co-host is Chris Mirabile. 8 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,800 He is the founder of NOVOS He is a biohacker, 9 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:26,560 has an incredible story, an entrepreneur, a brain tumor survivor. 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,520 So we are going to hear all about his journey. 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,520 And then also he's going to tell us a little bit about 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,560 aging and this concept of aging 13 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,320 and biohacking, which I know that you are as interested in as I am. 14 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,280 So with that said, we've got a lot to cover today. 15 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:42,640 Let's get right into it. 16 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,440 Chris, welcome to the show. 17 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,080 Thank you, Amber. It's a pleasure to be here. 18 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:49,120 So, you know, I have to say, 19 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,360 before we even get started, you have such an incredible background. 20 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,400 Could you maybe tell a little bit about why 21 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,320 you were so interested in health in the first place? 22 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:00,840 Sure. 23 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,480 Well, it actually all began when I was 12 years old. 24 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,360 I saw an issue of Men's Health magazine at the bookstore. 25 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:13,640 And I decided at that moment that I needed to focus on my health. 26 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,040 I wanted to be attractive to the girls in school. 27 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,400 So I started exercising and eating a healthy diet at 12 years out. 28 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,960 Okay. 29 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:24,840 And I did it every single day. 30 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,360 I'd come home from school and I would do pull ups on the pullup bar 31 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,560 that my my father installed in our basement and 32 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,720 and it was it was all the more shock to me that when I was 16 years old, 33 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:43,520 I suddenly had a seizure while out in on a school trip in New York City. And 34 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,720 it turned out that it was caused by a brain tumor. 35 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,640 And so that was the moment where my thinking completely shifted. 36 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,720 And by my perception of health evolved from one 37 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,400 that was the superficial side of health, of trying to be attractive and 38 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:58,120 play sports. 39 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:03,400 Well, to excuse me to one in which I understood that health was 40 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,040 was more complex than that was biology and avoidance of disease. 41 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:12,520 And so that's when I decided that it would be important for me to 42 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,160 try to focus on never laying in a hospital bed again, contemplating mortality, 43 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,600 at least until my final days, hopefully a very long time from then. 44 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,320 And that that started my journey and planted the seed 45 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,680 for what is now essentially what I've created with no boss. 46 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,720 I mean, so at 16 years old, to have such, 47 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,240 you know, a brush with mortality, it certainly is life changing. 48 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,560 You know, for anybody who's out there before we kind of move on. 49 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:43,960 Do you have advice for something that kind of got you through that time? 50 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,200 Oh, you know, it's it's 51 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,120 for me, I chose I made a conscious decision 52 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,200 to look at the experience as a gift, as 53 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,880 a gift from which I can learn, 54 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,960 see aspects of life that others don't have the ability to see 55 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,720 or at least won't see until much later in their lives. 56 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:11,520 So I tried to find all of the positives that I could and reframe the experience 57 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,440 rather than from a victim mindset of like, why me? 58 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,640 And the ways in which it may have hurt me instead into an empowered mindset of 59 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:24,880 what can I take out of this experience and what can I what can they do with that? 60 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:29,000 How can I lead live a better life as a result of this? 61 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,440 Now, was that recovery? And I'm only asking. 62 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,160 I had a good friend who also at a very young age 63 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,440 had a brain tumor and and it was a really tough recovery. 64 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,520 I mean, he lost a lot of his speech 65 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,400 walking ability, which now has come back. 66 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,920 But to be honest, not 100%. 67 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,920 What was that like for you? 68 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:53,200 For me, fortunately, I didn't really have that many long term side effects. 69 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,160 I'd say the number one was 70 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,720 my memory. 71 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,320 It was shot. 72 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,520 I remember the first year this was going 73 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,880 into Saturdays for college and 74 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,320 and I had I had a tutor who asked me to repeat a sentence 75 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,280 that she had just read to me, and I couldn't repeat the sentence. 76 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,200 It was literally 2 seconds later and I could not repeat the sentence. 77 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,880 That's how bad my memory was. 78 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,840 And I had gone from doing very well in school and being in advanced classes 79 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,520 to now being, you know, at literally at the bottom of the rung, 80 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,840 like struggling to even just remember a sentence. 81 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:32,840 So it was really humbling. 82 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,000 And it taught me 83 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,320 excuse me, it really taught me, 84 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:43,320 show me another side of life, of of, you know, disability and not being capable 85 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,560 and really just opened my mind up 86 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,320 in so many different ways, made me more empathetic. 87 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,720 And and that lasted for a while. 88 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,000 Memory, you know, for for years probably. 89 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,880 But the first year in particular, especially 90 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,920 with all of the anti-seizure medication that I was prescribed 91 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,640 by that first year, it really slow me down a lot. 92 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,280 I mean, I got to be honest, 93 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:11,520 talking to you now and seeing you've had some tremendous successes. 94 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,720 You know, you've also had some tremendous losses. 95 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,560 I want to be mindful of the time here, but I will say that you check out some of 96 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,160 your other podcasts that you've been on because you really have incredibly 97 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,160 just an incredible entrepreneurial journey to get to where you are now. 98 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,040 Super inspiring. 99 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,520 But, you know, 100 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,960 you wouldn't be able to tell that you had all of this hardship early on. 101 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,800 So, you know, in terms of this idea and sort of jumping forward, 102 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,720 when you became interested in sort of what can I do today 103 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,200 to sort of take control of my health? 104 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,960 You know, we've heard a lot about this difference 105 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,800 between a biological age and chronological age, 106 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,520 and that we can actually sort of have a biological agent younger 107 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,920 than our chronological age for people who might not have be familiar with that. 108 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,200 Can you explain what that is, what our biological age is, what our chronic 109 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:07,960 or chronic chronological age is, and how we can sort of tell the difference? 110 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:08,320 Yeah. 111 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,080 So chronological age is what we're all familiar with when we say, 112 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,560 How old are you? Right. 113 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,000 That's how many birthdays you've had. 114 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,840 Biological age is something 115 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:22,280 related to how old our biological systems are, 116 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:26,680 our cellular integrity, their capacities and capabilities, 117 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,840 and essentially that then leads to things like your disease 118 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:36,160 risk, your more mortality risk and your ability to perform functions. 119 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,520 Now I'll drive it home for people. 120 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,840 I think that people can really relate to this concept, this idea of 121 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,640 everyone knows that 50 year old who looks like they're 65 or 70 122 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,640 and everyone knows that 50 year olds who looks like they're 40 123 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,560 or even maybe in their late thirties. 124 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:57,040 And you question like, how is it possible that that person is looking so young? 125 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,280 And when you put those two people next to each other, the older 126 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:04,080 looking and younger looking person, that's really a good picture of someone 127 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,360 that most likely had an accelerated biological pace of aging 128 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,640 and someone who had a decelerated biological pace of aging. 129 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,040 What most people don't realize is 130 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,600 I think people just assume this is genetics. 131 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,920 Like that person got lucky or they have really good genes. 132 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,760 The fact is that researchers have found that 90% of 133 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,720 your pace of aging is actually based on your lifestyle and environment. 134 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,960 It is not based on your genetics. 135 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,240 It's only 10% of the equation. 136 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:34,200 It's a little bit more 137 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,640 maybe for like super centenarians, people who live to 120 years old. 138 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,120 But for for the vast majority of us, 139 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,480 it's actually only 10% or less that is coming from genetics. 140 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,040 So I think that that's important. 141 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,840 It's empowering for people to realize you actually can do something about this. 142 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,440 So those of us who are proactive, people who like to 143 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,360 to take charge in our lives and create the lives that we want for ourselves, 144 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,800 that's really important information because now you can actually do 145 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,800 something about it and slow down the pace of aging. 146 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,360 So for people who are out there 147 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,840 wondering, like, well, wait a minute, I feel super young, 148 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:17,800 how can I actually tell what my biological age is? 149 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,320 What are our options out there? 150 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:21,160 It's a great question. 151 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,760 So there's multiple different ways to do it. 152 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,880 Scientists, this is cutting edge science right now. 153 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,720 This is literally like I went to a science event 154 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:36,240 just a month ago, and researchers are presenting their newest 155 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:41,600 biological age clocks straight out of the university. So 156 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:42,960 typically 157 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,600 they're measuring what's known as your epigenome. 158 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,720 Now, it's not always measuring the epigenome, 159 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,720 but those are the most promising, the most researched 160 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,880 biological age clocks in existence right now. 161 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,640 And your epigenome is the layer that sits right next to your genome 162 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:58,920 or your genetics. Right. 163 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,760 So everyone's familiar with genes at this point. 164 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,840 But what most people aren't familiar with is that you have an epigenome, which is 165 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,840 which genes are turned on and off. 166 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:13,920 So if your genes are the piano keys, the epigenome is the piano player 167 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,120 determining which genes or keys to play, right. 168 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,880 And so as you age, maybe when you're young, 169 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,840 that the tune that's being played is, you know, Tchaikovsky, right? 170 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:26,760 It's a symphony. 171 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:32,320 And then as you age, certain keys are incorrectly pressed 172 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,880 or they're missing the beat, missing the rhythm. 173 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:36,240 Right. 174 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,240 So you're pressing the wrong keys or you're missing keys and it no longer 175 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,240 sounds like that perfect symphony when you were younger. 176 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,880 And there are patterns to this specific genes in particular 177 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,920 that these algorithms that the scientists are creating 178 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,560 can identify and based on your biological age. 179 00:09:54,560 --> 00:10:00,560 So essentially, again, your risk of of a disease and or mortality. 180 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:06,280 They're able to create these algorithms that will then tell you your equivalency. 181 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,120 So if you are, for example, 182 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,520 I can talk about myself actually with this. 183 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,760 So so I'm. Trying to brag. 184 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,920 Time to brag, but I'll tell you why I'm saying brag and admit it. 185 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,680 But yes. Okay. 186 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:20,040 So a humblebrag. 187 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:25,480 So yeah, I'm 39 years old biologically, I started chronologically, 188 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,160 but biologically I'm more than 13 years 189 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,760 younger than that, according to not just one biological age clock, 190 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,960 but I've done about a dozen of them and I've taken the average of those. 191 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,000 So that's basically and there's there's a reason for that 192 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,000 because some clocks are more accurate than others. 193 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,720 And we can talk about that if you care to. 194 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,080 But there's like third generation clocks that are the most accurate 195 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,160 and then they're first generation clocks that people are companies are also selling 196 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,080 that are not particularly accurate, 197 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,880 but sorry, go ahead. 198 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:00,160 Yeah. 199 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,760 So okay, so for everybody 200 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,680 who's listening out there, I mean, look, I have to be I'm turning 44 next week. 201 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:08,360 I feel pretty good. I feel young. 202 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,680 I took one of these tests and I was convinced 203 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,760 there's no way that I'm aging 204 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,720 at a rate equivalent to my chronological age. 205 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,600 But it was it was exactly one I was aging. 206 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,920 My pace of aging was one, which means I am chronologically 207 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,600 for it, while at the time it took it 43 and biologically 43. 208 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:31,800 I was really bummed out about that. 209 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,040 I got to be honest. 210 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,800 And now in terms of the tests, I took, one that was a saliva based test. 211 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,400 I know that Novos has one and I was looking into this today. 212 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,320 That's a blood, you know, you do a little drop of blood and you send that in. 213 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,280 Do you think that there's a difference in in the accuracy there? 214 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,440 Yes, there definitely is. 215 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,280 So blood based tests, as you might 216 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,320 suspect, are more accurate than saliva based tests. 217 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,920 And so the blood based tests that we offer it, 218 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:03,360 you just prick your finger and then you spread it on an index card 219 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,760 within a little circle, and then you ship that back to us. 220 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,320 We offer three different tests in our kit. 221 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:11,520 So it's called Noble's age. 222 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,880 And within our kit we've got the do you need and pace clock, 223 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:19,480 which is the most advanced biological age clock out there right now. 224 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,640 It was created by researchers at Columbia and Duke University's. 225 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,240 We licensed it from them. 226 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,000 And this is telling you your rate of aging right now. 227 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,360 So a one, as you mentioned before, would mean every one 228 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,360 chronological year you're aging one biological year. 229 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,120 Ideally, you get that to be less than one. 230 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,040 Mine, for example, is 0.69. 231 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,360 So that implies I'm aging 31% slower 232 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,440 than the average person is per year. 233 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:49,120 And we can talk about how how I believe I achieve that if you'd like to later on. 234 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:50,520 But that's the first test. 235 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,520 And we think that this is the most important one 236 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,360 because this is telling you your trajectory right now 237 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,800 based on your lifestyle, are you accelerating your aging 238 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,520 like maybe aging 1.2, so 20% faster than average? 239 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,040 Or are you aging slower than average? 240 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,120 And this is also one of the most sensitive tests to change. 241 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,520 So in as little as 3 to 6 months, based on your lifestyle changes, 242 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,880 you can then see those those scores changing. 243 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,400 The second test we offer is biological age 244 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,200 that is less sensitive to change. 245 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,760 There are other companies out there as well. 246 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,600 So in biological age clocks, they're not as accurate and as precise 247 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,600 as that pace of aging is quite yet. 248 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,800 So we we tell our customers to take it with a grain of salt. 249 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:40,200 If you're looking at the kid overall, we say put 85% of 250 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,960 of your focus on that you need and pace clock 251 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:49,160 and maybe you know 5 to 10% in the biological age and that's going to 252 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:55,040 include related aging throughout your life lifetime like maybe you had 253 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,880 a traumatic 254 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,480 childhood for example has has been found to accelerate aging 255 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,760 and that could be found even in the later decades of your life. 256 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,760 And then the third test that we offer is telomere length. 257 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,000 This is included in that Noble's age kid, and telomeres 258 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,280 are the end caps of your chromosomes. 259 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:19,560 They protect your DNA, and those get shorter every time your cells divide. 260 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:24,000 But they can also be lengthened by different foods and healthy habits 261 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:24,920 and so on. 262 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,520 And so for this test, it's not a direct marker of your biological age, 263 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,520 but what you want to make sure of is that your telomeres don't get too short. 264 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,000 If they get too short, then you have a higher risk of different 265 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,880 diseases of aging like forms, certain forms of cancer and so on. 266 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,560 So it's more of a check off the box. 267 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,480 They're not too short. Okay, I can rest easy at night. 268 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,840 So those are the three tests that we offer in our age. Kit. 269 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,000 You know, I want to go back to something you said before because, you know, 270 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,280 I keep it real with everybody here. 271 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:54,680 I'm super fascinated in this. 272 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,080 But I think, you know, in 273 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:58,440 in the 274 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,800 general, you know, society, this is a little bit fringe still, right? 275 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:06,000 This idea of biohacking, this idea of, you know, 276 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:10,840 being able to sort of manipulate our biological age and sort of turn back 277 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,120 our biological age is something that, you know, 278 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,760 not if you're a billionaire tech person right there doing it all the time, 279 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,640 but for the most of us, this is relatively new 280 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,680 and it does come at a cost, right, to these tests are not inexpensive. 281 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,720 They're what, ballpark? 282 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,600 $300. 283 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,480 If you buy two kits, it's $300 per kit for most. 284 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,480 If you buy just one, it's 349. 285 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:32,800 Okay. 286 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:38,280 So, you know, it's certainly something that, you know, but I would say. 287 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:39,880 Costs will. Come down. 288 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,440 Right? Costs will come down in the future. 289 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:41,680 Right. 290 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,560 So just like any other technology, when you first start, 291 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:45,960 the cost is is higher. 292 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,320 And as time progresses, the costs will go down. 293 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,480 And and we'd like to provide that to customers. 294 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,920 But to your point about tech billionaires and, 295 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,600 you know, trying to hack their aging, that's what the press loves to cover. 296 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,440 But we as a company know goes we're a public benefit corporation 297 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,120 with my my childhood experience or my teenage experience. 298 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,000 It's very important to me to 299 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,320 to be able to offer to to the public the ability to, 300 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,680 first of all, the knowledge to understand that aging is in your hands. 301 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,200 You can control the rate at which you are aging too, 302 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,160 with within certain limitations, of course. 303 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,200 And and with that knowledge 304 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,480 give you free ways to be able to slow down your aging. 305 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,680 So to the point about the, you know, the the expense of the biological age kit. 306 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:33,840 Yes, of course. 307 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,240 Like if you are really getting into it, you might want to make that investments. 308 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,040 But even if you don't, we provide very practical guidelines for things 309 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:45,360 that you can do in your everyday life, from your diet to your exercise, 310 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,600 to your sleep routine to your strategy meeting, go down 311 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,000 the list of the things that science has shown. 312 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,840 Exhibit positive effects on your biological age 313 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,560 and biological rate of aging, 314 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,760 and you can do that completely for free on our website. 315 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,760 In fact, something that your listeners might be really interested in 316 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,880 is we offer a free tool called Face Age. 317 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:10,320 This is a you take a selfie, it's AI powered, 318 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:15,160 and the artificial intelligence is going to evaluate your selfie 319 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:19,240 and tell you how young your face looks, how young your AI age is. 320 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,280 And then other skin health markers like wrinkles, 321 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,560 skin redness, pore size, etc. 322 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,240 And then we give you practical guidance for improving all of those scores. 323 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,760 And you can track this over time, of course. 324 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:32,960 Right. 325 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,600 So so that's that's one thing that that a lot of people are really interested in. 326 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,520 And then we also have on our website a quiz that you can access 327 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,080 at the top of the website where you just answer a questionnaire 328 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,600 and then we give you personalized recommendations for what you based on 329 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,520 your lifestyle, need to focus on most to slow down your pace of aging. 330 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,920 None of this cost a sense we pay for it out of our pocket as a public 331 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,640 benefit corporation and then, of course, we hope some of you turn into customers. 332 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,280 But regardless, we want to provide this to the public. 333 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:04,680 I want to backtrack on what I said before. 334 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,520 So I will say, like I did one of these biologics that's not from Novo, 335 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,280 although I am interested in trying yours out, because the one that I did was 336 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:17,360 that was a saliva based, but it did give markers for various areas. 337 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:19,960 So my brain, my liver, 338 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,200 my metabolism 339 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,200 of of where that biological age was. 340 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,200 And I will tell you, it, it, it, it was 341 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,400 it was good enough to start me 342 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,440 on the road to some better habits. 343 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,080 So like, my liver was a little bit older. Well, guess what? 344 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,120 You know, you've heard me talk about, like those nightly tequila drinks. 345 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:39,240 I had to give those up. 346 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,320 That was kind of a bummer, but, you know, so it's good to kind of 347 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,640 have that as a marker for good behavior. 348 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,920 I think if you're ready to sort of take on some sort of a big change in your life, 349 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,960 if you're about to embark on a fitness journey, 350 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:57,040 if maybe you had some sort of a health scare that you need to 351 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:59,080 change your behaviors. 352 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:03,120 I always think it's a it's a great idea to kind of have this as a baseline. 353 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:05,640 And then how often do people normally take these? 354 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:06,600 Is it every six months? 355 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,680 Every year? Every two years. 356 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,160 So so if we were trying to maximize profit, we would say 357 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:13,280 take it every three months. 358 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:18,600 But the truth is, I suggest that everyone consider taking it once a year. 359 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,280 The reason being that you have to think of yourself 360 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:26,520 as an end equals one scientific experiment and being number of participants, right? 361 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,280 Like one participant in this scientific experiment and that participant is you. 362 00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:33,840 So you have a very different 363 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,520 lifestyle in the winter, let's just say before Christmas 364 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:42,800 than you do in the summer, let's say for July 4th weekends, right? And 365 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:43,360 different 366 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:48,240 amounts of time outdoors with UV radiation, physical exercise, 367 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:49,240 different diets, 368 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,480 different drinking habits, different stress levels go down the list. 369 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,400 And those are known in science as confounding factors. 370 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,200 These can all kind of mess up the results and 371 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,240 and lead you to false 372 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,720 conclusions like, oh, maybe the lifestyle that they changed 373 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,360 to or the product that I'm using, the supplement I'm using isn't working. 374 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:12,720 Well, no, maybe it's actually that you're a lot more stressed this time of year 375 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,600 or you're not physically active enough, Right? 376 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,560 So to minimize confounding factors, we suggest that 377 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,280 you take the test at the same time the following year. 378 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:25,080 Now, if budget permits, of course, 379 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,120 you can take it once every six months or once every three months. 380 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:30,480 I wouldn't do it more often than once every three months. 381 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,920 But once a year, I think is a healthy balance for budget 382 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,200 and for the value that you can get out of taking in a test. 383 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,800 Now, given that you just said, you know, it's lifestyle, 384 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,560 maybe you don't want to do this on January 1st, right? 385 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,000 So for all of my people who are like, I'm starting something new, 386 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,080 but coming out of those holidays when you're probably, you know, 387 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,000 drinking, partying, maybe eating foods that you don't eat, 388 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,800 maybe not the best time to take it. 389 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,920 Yeah, probably take it to get one. 390 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,200 That's like a better depiction of what your real life is actually is. 391 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,640 Now, the needle is not going to move in in just like a day 392 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,480 or two of unhealthy eating. 393 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,240 But and so if you're if you're like me, I eat pretty healthy most of the time. 394 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,600 But then for Christmas, 395 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,520 I might Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, I might eat unhealthy. 396 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,560 But I'm not I'm not doing that for weeks. 397 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:17,920 I'm doing it for a day or two. 398 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,920 That's not really going to move the needle on the test. 399 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:25,240 But for others who might like not eat healthy and exercise for the whole month 400 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,320 of December, let's say, yeah, maybe wait a little bit longer. 401 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:29,200 Also, keep in mind 402 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,760 that if you were recently very sick, like, yeah, COVID or the flu, 403 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,200 you probably want to wait at least a month before you take the test 404 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,640 because your immune system 405 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,440 and the inflammation in your body might have an impact on the results as well, 406 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,320 which is not commonly talked about, but it's something that we suggest 407 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,440 to customers. 408 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,360 That's that's great to know. 409 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:51,320 You know, so so given this now that we've covered 410 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:56,160 the fact that we can have a different biological age, that we can control that 411 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,040 to some degree, what are some of the things that we can be 412 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,840 doing to sort of turn back that biological clock? 413 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:04,880 Yeah, So so 414 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,000 first, let's start with diet and and eating in general. 415 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,200 So meal timing is is being understood 416 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:18,000 as a very significant impact on your health 417 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,400 almost as much as the foods themselves. 418 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,680 Not quite as much, but almost as much so. 419 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,760 So when I say meal timing, 420 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,360 you may have heard of something called intermittent fasting. 421 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:30,200 Technically, it's time restricted feeding. 422 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,480 If you want to be accurate about the the term for it. 423 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,560 So time restricted feeding is eating only within 424 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,000 a certain time slot each day. 425 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,920 And so what you'll oftentimes hear is a ratio like for example, 16 eight. 426 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:45,880 That's what I follow. 427 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,240 So 16 hours of fasting, 8 hours of eating. 428 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,640 So that would mean, for example, eating only between 11 a.m. 429 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,200 and 7 p.m. 430 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,120 This is something that's very doable for most people. 431 00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:59,880 You don't eat the first thing when you wake up, or 432 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,880 if you do, then you finish your last bite 433 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,480 earlier in the evening and you go longer without food. 434 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,120 So trying to compress that window 435 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:14,640 to approximately 16 eight would be would be a really healthy move. 436 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,640 Fasting is another another thing to consider. 437 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:23,240 Now, I would only suggest fasting to people who are in proper condition 438 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,520 to fasts like so, for example, if you're if you're a female 439 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,040 who has very low body fat percentage, I would consider not fasting 440 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,760 because it's probably going to just regulate your hormones. 441 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:37,960 It go ahead. 442 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,160 You know, I'm glad you bring this up because, 443 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,160 you know, I think that a vast majority of my listeners are women. 444 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,320 We've talked about intermittent fasting, but I have heard that 445 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,120 for men, intermittent fasting is a wonderful, wonderful thing. 446 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:53,440 I've heard that it's actually not so great for women. 447 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,400 Have you heard differently or do you have thoughts on that? 448 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,440 Yeah, so so I have heard it. 449 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,760 I haven't seen any specific scientific studies on it, but just anecdotally, 450 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,960 I have heard it a lot of times from friends and on the Internet. 451 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,120 What it seems to be is that women have have different hormonal cycles, 452 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:15,360 obviously, than men and different ratios of hormones than men. And 453 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:15,960 inches 454 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,360 biologically, like evolutionarily, like women are to be, 455 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:23,640 you know, carriers of children, of babies to be pregnant. 456 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:23,880 Right. 457 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,840 And so men don't have those requirements. 458 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,680 And and so so it seems that by having 459 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,160 by by fasting excessively too much. 460 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,720 What is that actually doing? 461 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,720 It's sending a signal to the body that food is scarce. 462 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,640 And if you think in the evolutionary context 463 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:49,520 and biology, if food is scarce, nature doesn't want you to procreate 464 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,640 because you then might die yourself or 465 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,640 the child a newborn might die. 466 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,880 Nature wants to incentivize you to only procreate once there's food 467 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:04,120 in abundance, adequate food to be able to support yourself and the newborns. 468 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,200 So that's my, my, 469 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,160 my expectation, my feeling as to why women might be more sensitive 470 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,120 to it than than men, because they would have to carry that child 471 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,800 and they would need adequate food to carry that child 472 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,120 for for males, they don't 473 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:24,520 seem to be as sensitive to it, though I can say me personally, 474 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:30,200 if I fast too much or I'm too hypo caloric, so not enough calories each day. 475 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,720 I definitely feel the difference in terms of the quality of my sleep. 476 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,840 I'd say my mood changes so I'm not as happy. 477 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,600 I am more like focused, 478 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,200 but not as like positive and so on. 479 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,560 So I can notice these subtle changes in myself. 480 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,840 And so I need to make sure I balance the health versus like 481 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,880 quality of life and, and those around me to make sure better. 482 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,040 Yeah, but, but certainly, yes, there are a lot 483 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,520 there's a lot of research out there. 484 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,760 I would just caution, you know, especially the women look into intermittent 485 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:08,120 fasting always talk to your doctor because I've heard both things right. 486 00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:15,760 So I know that it it I know that in the, you know, sort of this 487 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,240 biohacking community, 488 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,920 that intermittent fasting is is definitely something that people employ. 489 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,000 We've had great podcasts on intermittent fasting here on this show, 490 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,040 but I have also heard from some doctors 491 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,360 who've said, I don't know if it's great for women. 492 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:33,480 Yeah, yeah. 493 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,480 So, so technically intermittent fasting would be time restricted feeding, 494 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:42,400 but it would require that you're eating fewer calories than you typically would. 495 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,800 And so if if you are intermittent fasting by the strict definition of the term, 496 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,600 which means you're eating fewer calories, I can see that as being a concern for 497 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,560 for your female audience, particularly if they're not already overweight, 498 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,800 they're overweight, they have excess calorie storage. 499 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:58,120 Right. 500 00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:01,960 And they can probably get away with it more so than thinner. 501 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,640 Women can. 502 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,560 But if you're doing time restricted feeding 503 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,560 where you're not reducing the calorie intake, 504 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,200 you're just reducing the eating window that I don't think 505 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,720 women will be as sensitive to, hormonally speaking, 506 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,480 because if you eat the same number of calories that you would otherwise eat, 507 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,720 you're just eating them between 11 and seven instead of from 9 to 7. 508 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,480 Let's say that shouldn't really have that much of an impact. 509 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,760 But if you're reducing your calorie intake, which naturally oftentimes happens 510 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:35,320 when you're eating in a smaller window because you get fuller quicker, 511 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,440 then that's where there could be some trouble. 512 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,000 So the calories, I think, are the critical the critical issue for that. 513 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,760 Thank you for clarifying that. 514 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:44,920 I really appreciate that, 515 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,480 because that makes much more sense with the time restricted. 516 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,160 You know, when you said that my mind went to intermittent fasting, 517 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,480 but it's not the same thing. 518 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:56,760 And boy, you know, 11 to 7 does seem very doable in the outside windows. 519 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,760 Can you still be drinking water? 520 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,120 Yes, Yes, of course. 521 00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:03,360 So just no, no food, but you can be drinking water throughout. 522 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,200 You can have. Water. 523 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,120 You can even have black coffee. Right. 524 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:08,720 So not with the milk. 525 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,200 Latte and not now by morning, all. 526 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,200 Day, but black coffee, you could throw it. 527 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,680 You can probably even throw some stevia in there. Right. 528 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,520 So it's zero calorie doesn't raise your blood glucose. 529 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:19,720 So we want that a little bit sweet. 530 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,200 But yeah, none of the creamers or milks in there. 531 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:23,560 Okay. 532 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,560 So in addition to diet, 533 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,560 what are some other behavioral changes that we could be making 534 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,280 to sort of help turn back that biological clock? 535 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:37,240 So so within the topic of diet is the food itself that you're eating, right? 536 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,680 So I'll just say the obvious stuff is like minimize processed foods, 537 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,800 eat as as much stuff straight from the earth as you can. 538 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:50,640 Don't go excessive with with meats, especially red meats 539 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,800 in fact, the best diet you can follow are the two best diets. 540 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,960 I should say that the most commonly known one is the Mediterranean diet, 541 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,920 which is, you know, the eating style of Mediterranean named regions. 542 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,640 But then we have our website, the NOVOS 543 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,240 Longevity Diet, which takes the Mediterranean diet as its foundation 544 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,960 and then make some tweaks to it based on the latest research 545 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,040 to to improve it even further. 546 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,440 So we would suggest people take a look at the Noble's longevity diet. 547 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,120 But the Mediterranean diet is something that that is 548 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,960 I think most people would enjoy eating in the first place. 549 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,280 Right. 550 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,840 It's it's a very satisfying diet 551 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,880 and it's not so restricted like something like a ketogenic diet might be. 552 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,120 So then beyond diet, obviously exercise. 553 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,880 Now the question is how much are you going to exercise? 554 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,880 And what is the ideal versus like the minimum effective dose. 555 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,960 So the ideal would be that your weight lifting, let's just say three days 556 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,760 per week, you are doing some form of cardio, ideally every day. 557 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,920 Now that cardio doesn't have to be high intensity 558 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,920 or high heart rate zone cardio every day. 559 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,880 So in other words, zone to cardio, which is when your heart rate is, 560 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:08,200 I believe, around 70% of your max heart rate in that in that neighborhood. 561 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,480 If you're doing that for, you know, 25 minutes 562 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,360 a day is the approximate minimum that you want to do. 563 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,480 But if you can do even more than that, great. 564 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,040 It's not really putting that much stress on your body, 565 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,520 but it is very healthy to be in that zone, too. 566 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,120 So doing as much as that, as much of that as you are willing to do. 567 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,440 But at least about 25 minutes per day is going to. 568 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,640 It's like Perritos principle, that 80/20 rule. 569 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,320 You're going to put in 20% of the effort and get 80% of the benefits 570 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,040 when it comes to longevity and slowing down aging, you'll largely 571 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,320 get that from doing this zone to cardio every day. 572 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,640 Plus the weight lifting. 573 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:47,240 Is, don't you? 574 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,120 Are we talking about like a brisk walk? 575 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,240 Is that a jog? You know, for most of us. 576 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,600 It's going to depend on your 577 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,320 fitness levels for for some who are not particularly fit. 578 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,640 That's just going to be a brisk walk. Right. 579 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,720 So a way to think about it is you're you're breathing heavily, 580 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,680 but you can still breathe with your mouth closed 581 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,160 and you can have a conversation with somebody like you can say 582 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,200 a full sentence without being winded. 583 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,880 But when you finish the sentence, you're going 584 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,520 to need to take a gasp of air, Right? 585 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,520 So you're like in that range. 586 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,160 And so obviously, if you have something like an Apple 587 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,640 Watch or a heart rate monitor, you can actually track and see which there you go. 588 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,480 So you can easily see what heart rate zone you are in 589 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,560 when you use the fitness setting on the the Apple Watch. 590 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,920 But otherwise, that simple test of like, can I can I say a sentence and can I 591 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:44,160 can I do this with my nose closed but still feeling the pressure of 592 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,040 faster breathing that's probably getting to that zone too. 593 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:48,520 Amazing. 594 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,560 So we're looking at what, like 100 and 2040 minutes a week. 595 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,080 You said about 20 minutes a day. 596 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,560 I believe the exact number 597 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,280 I calculated was like 23 minutes, but I just round up to 25 minutes a day. 598 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,320 25 minutes a day, seven days a week. 599 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,080 Yeah. 600 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,920 I mean, if you take a day off here and there, that's that's fine. 601 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,360 Like I personally work out six out of seven days per week 602 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,000 and then one day on Sunday, it's my day of rest. 603 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,560 But I will still 604 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,600 I'll still walk a good amount or I'll do like a leisurely bike ride. 605 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,600 So I might not be in zone two, but I'm physically active. 606 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,360 I'm still moving. 607 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,040 I'm laying on the couch all day long. 608 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,920 So you don't have to be like perfect about it. 609 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,960 But yeah, most days, 610 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,360 five or six days a week, if you're doing that, that's that's great. 611 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,120 And that's like the minimum effective dose for like slowing down the aging. 612 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,480 I think everyone can do it. 613 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,880 They just need to have the form, the habit to, to do it. 614 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,200 Like I for example, every morning I will do a light jog to be in zone 615 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,240 two cardio and I'll listen to a podcast, for example. 616 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:49,560 Right. 617 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,640 So that's like instead of sitting at home listening to a podcast like I do it by, 618 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:54,760 you know, doing a light jog. 619 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,840 So try to create like a ritual out of it, something that you enjoy doing while 620 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,320 doing that jog, which will then increase the likelihood that you'll adhere to it. 621 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,160 Okay. 622 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,880 So I want to make sure that we have time for some of these supplements because, 623 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,440 you know, that's a lot of what I think people are looking towards these days 624 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,680 is, you know, in addition to having a good diet, in addition 625 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:22,240 to having, you know, getting proper amount of exercise, getting enough sleep, 626 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,840 what are some of the new technologies that are out there? 627 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,520 You know, and I know Noble's has two products here. 628 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,520 You've got Core and NOVOS boost. 629 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:31,960 I want to make sure we get to talk about this. 630 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,760 So, so so tell us a little bit about this supplementation, why we need it. 631 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,120 What are the things that we should be taking? 632 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:39,960 Sure. 633 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,040 So so let me set the context first so people get confused about supplements 634 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:44,680 and sometimes 635 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,800 they think NOVOS is a multivitamin and they say, what's the difference 636 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,040 between a multivitamin in this? 637 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,640 So the context is we think of supplements 638 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,840 in the form of general health supplements. 639 00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,000 This is the stuff that you need just to to be generally healthy. 640 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,600 This is what the government has said an RDA for. 641 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,040 It's like vitamin C, vitamin E, vitamin A, 642 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,040 magnesium, potassium, the B, vitamins and so on. 643 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:09,240 Right. 644 00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:11,600 And this you can get from a multivitamin, 645 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,120 you can get it from the foods that you eat. 646 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,920 And we do suggest that everyone look into supplementation because most 647 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,720 almost definitely you're not getting adequate nutrients 648 00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:24,240 just from your diet alone, no matter how healthy you eat, myself included. 649 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,280 I still need to supplement. 650 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,040 That's general health supplements. 651 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,600 Then you have 652 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,800 targeted supplements for specific goals. 653 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,400 So you have like maybe a pre-workout supplement or a post-workout supplement. 654 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,280 Maybe you have a 655 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,040 a supplement focused on reducing your anxiety 656 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,320 or just keeping you calm or helping you sleep at night. 657 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,160 And then you have the category of longevity supplements. 658 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,160 And this is where Noble specializes. 659 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:57,120 So we focus on creating formulations that are going to slow down 660 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,680 your biological pace of aging and the way that we do it, the way 661 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,760 we approach it is based on what's known as the mechanisms of aging. 662 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,920 Or put another way, the 12 biological causes of aging. 663 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,400 These are the causes that scientists over more than a decade of work 664 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:20,280 have put together as the reasons from a microscopic level why we age. 665 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,800 These are the things that start to go wrong 666 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,280 biologically as we age 667 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,240 and we want to slow down 668 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:35,000 their degradation as much as possible, which if we can do that 669 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:35,640 across 670 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,640 all of these different hallmarks simultaneously, 671 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,440 we're going to stand the best chance at slowing down the aging process 672 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,160 because they're all interconnected, they feed off of each other. 673 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:50,040 And if you only slow down one of them, you're not going to have 674 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,800 that much of an impact compared to if you slow down all of them. 675 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,960 Think of the analogy of a car, an old car with like tires 676 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,560 that are flat and rust all over them and the engine doesn't have oil in it. 677 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,880 If you just fill the tires up, you're not going to get very far. 678 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,920 But if you clean up everything similar tenuously, 679 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,760 that's when you're really getting the car in good condition to drive again. 680 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,560 So we are the first company, the only company to create 681 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,560 a formula to address all 12 of these hallmarks simultaneously 682 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,560 across all industries, including biotech and pharma. 683 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,920 We're over the counter, of course, but we're the first company to ever do this. 684 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,800 We have a scientific advisory board of scientists from Harvard and MIT 685 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,840 and the Salk Institute that study aging and helped us with this formulation. 686 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,760 We filed four patents on this formulation and we've done a number 687 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,560 of different scientific tests on the formulation and case studies. 688 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,920 So, for example, a case study we did, 689 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,920 we administered Noble Score and boost 690 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,080 to the participants and 73% of them slowed down 691 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,520 their biological pace of aging by a statistically significant margin. 692 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,160 So it wasn't coincidental. 693 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,040 In fact, the p value for the geeks out there who want to know the probability 694 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:08,120 that it was just a coincidence versus it being the supplement itself was 0.001. 695 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,200 Typically in science, you need it to be 0.05. 696 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,000 So this was 50 times more reliable than the typical standard 697 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,760 for scientists to conclude that something was coming from from the 698 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,440 from the intervention in this case being de novo supplements. 699 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,720 And 0% of people accelerated their aging, which is also important to know 700 00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:30,360 because you have these stressors in life, right. 701 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,840 And different different things, whether it be literally stress or excess 702 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,480 drinking or not eating healthy or whatever it might be, 703 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,240 you would expect some people would have accelerated, but nobody accelerated. 704 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:43,680 Everyone that either stayed the same 705 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,840 or the large majority actually slowed down their pace of aging. 706 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,000 So that was the case study. 707 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,880 We have clinical trials underway. 708 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,760 We've done in vitro studies to to show that we reduce DNA damage 709 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,640 from irradiation. 710 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,400 We reduced cellular senescence. 711 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,040 These are important for skin health. Right? 712 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,040 So DNA damage is what really starts to break down the collagen 713 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,520 and the matrices in our face. 714 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,280 And then we start to wrinkle and our skin starts to age 715 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,760 and we reduce DNA damage in an in vitro study 716 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,200 by administering a noble score. 717 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,880 And we also reduce senescent cells, footprints. 718 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,640 So senescent cells are these zombie cells that start to accumulate 719 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:27,720 as you get older. 720 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,840 Typically it's that the the cell is damaged. 721 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,680 It's it's not functioning properly. 722 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:33,880 There might be DNA damage. 723 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,000 It might actually even be a cancerous cell. 724 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,480 And so the body will actually turn that cell senescence. 725 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,080 It kind of arrest that cell. 726 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,080 But the problem is that cell secretes inflammatory molecules 727 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,760 that cause nearby cells to get damaged and then become senescent, too. 728 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,840 So as we age, that increases exponentially. 729 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,680 It's one of the top targets for skin care companies, is to reduce 730 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,560 senescence in skin because it leads to the rigidity of the skin. 731 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,040 And then again, wrinkles can form from it. 732 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,000 So we found in a study done at Newcastle University 733 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:09,240 that we were able to reduce the size of senescent cells 734 00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:12,240 by approximately 50% or so 735 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:17,040 and and presumably with also reduced the progression of cells 736 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,040 because of the DNA protection that I mentioned earlier. 737 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,240 So we're just getting 738 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:25,040 started with the studies, but so far they're all very positive in our favor 739 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,280 for Novos doing something significant for the aging process. 740 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:29,800 Amazing. 741 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:36,320 And there is a lot of talk right now about an end and end and 742 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,680 I know that there's some talk 743 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,040 that the FDA is trying to turn this into a drug. 744 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,960 Are you worried about that at all? 745 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,960 So there's only so much I can say. 746 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,880 It's technically there is a scientist, a well-known scientist 747 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,840 in the longevity field who is a founder of a company 748 00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,960 that is trying to monopolize this substance and make it prescription only. 749 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,640 So this person has talked a lot about and a man and brought the public's 750 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,120 attention to it. 751 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,960 And then multiple companies, not only us, but others, have invested a lot of money 752 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,600 into building out this this the product 753 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,680 and marketing the product and getting it into the hands of consumers 754 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,760 only for this person and the company they're affiliated with, technically, 755 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,440 to try to work through the FDA, through a loophole, to try to take it off 756 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:24,840 the market. 757 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,160 The FDA in closed door discussions, has said that it's 758 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,680 not a matter of safety, it is simply a commercial topic. 759 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,680 So, yeah, we will. 760 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,680 We'll see where it goes, but we're continuing to sell it for 761 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,280 as long as we're able to, and hopefully it doesn't turn into a legal matter. 762 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,840 But if it is, we're ready to protect our consumers to be able 763 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:51,120 to purchase this natural substance, which I should mention is in our bodies. 764 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:51,400 Right? 765 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,560 We produce and I mean, 766 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,920 naturally, it's also in our food supply, like tomatoes have any men in them. 767 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,240 But the levels decline as we get older. 768 00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:04,200 And so we don't believe it's fair for a biotech company 769 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,280 to be able to monopolize it and make it prescription 770 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,160 only when it is something found in nature and in our bodies. 771 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:13,240 No. And, you know, I wish we had more time to get into this. 772 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,200 Can you quickly over 773 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,720 and and and some of the benefits I know that were kind of 774 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:21,760 I want to be mindful of your time. 775 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,160 Sure. Yeah. Sure. 776 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,280 So so MMN is a precursor 777 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,360 for another molecule in our bodies called NAD Plus. 778 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:36,440 And NAD is is a molecule that's responsible for many different processes. 779 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,560 So being a precursor and fuels the creation of the energy. 780 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,080 And the energy is involved in many different processes, 781 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,840 including the production of sirtuins and sirtuins 782 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,880 can repair DNA, right? 783 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,600 So when you're out in the sun and the UV rays are damaging your DNA 784 00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,040 and causing mutations, we actually have mechanisms in our body 785 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,400 to be able to go and repair that DNA rescue, that DNA to prevent it 786 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:10,800 from turning into, in the worst case, into like a carcinoma, right into a 787 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,000 into a melanoma. 788 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,400 So NAD 789 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,960 is is the fuel essentially for those sirtuins. 790 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,920 So that's one thing it does, but it is also involved in the Krebs cycle. 791 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,880 So you might remember from high school biology 792 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:31,000 that the Krebs cycle is the process through which our bodies produce energy. 793 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,680 So you take those carbohydrates, that protein to a lesser extent, 794 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,280 but still you can get energy from certain forms of protein and fat. 795 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,360 And the Krebs cycle is what is then 796 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,200 producing ATP, 797 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,200 which is the energy currency that our cells use, 798 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,400 our brain uses, our heart uses to be able to perform their functions. 799 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,440 And so our need is is a critical component of that. 800 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,920 So other benefits can include improvements in energy. 801 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,960 There's there's research being done, 802 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,960 finding reductions in or I should say improvements in health span. 803 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,880 So different aspects of the aging process to be able to 804 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,600 improve healthy living essentially over the long term 805 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,240 is some of the promise that the animal and molecule holds. 806 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,600 And I thought that there was a lot of promising research in the field 807 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:31,920 of Alzheimer's, and that's sort of where this this drug battle is kind of coming. 808 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,280 And so listen, for my listeners out there, I maybe can't say this 809 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,520 I'm not a doctor by any means, but I've done some research. 810 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,880 This seems like a very, very promising 811 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,680 I don't know what you call it, a supplement. 812 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,480 Yeah, I mean, it is a supplement. 813 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,400 But it it's a promising one. 814 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,800 I would say. Get it while you can 815 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,800 and Noble Score certainly has. 816 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,120 So I write the novels. 817 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,120 Bruce has a very high quality, reputable one. 818 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:03,440 You can read all about it on their blog and on their website. 819 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,560 You know, Chris, I want to thank you so much. 820 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,240 I feel like I could talk to you for hours and hours and hours about this. 821 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,600 I think that we are at the start of like, you know, longevity 822 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,920 is going to become very mainstream in the very near future. 823 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,880 If people want to know more about Novos, where can they go. 824 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,080 So they can go to Novo slabs dot com. 825 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,080 We're also on all of the social networks as Novos Labs. 826 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,520 And then me personally, I also have a blog Slow My Age 827 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,280 where I post my my results in my lifestyle hacks and so on. 828 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,880 That's a little bit more geeky, not as mainstream as as the Novos website. 829 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,760 And I'm on Instagram and Twitter as @slowmyage as well. 830 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,880 I want to thank you so much for being with us today. 831 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,240 This is so awesome. I mean, I'm just fascinated. 832 00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:49,080 I got to check out your blog. 833 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,080 You know, definitely check this out. 834 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,320 If you have questions you want me to pass on to Chris, I'm always happy to do so. 835 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,360 You can email me at hello@artbeautypodcast.com. 836 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,440 You can find us on Facebook, Instagram and YouTube @artbeautypodcast. 837 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,160 And as always, we will see you next Tuesday. 838 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:14,200 Bye! .