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I'm your host, Joe Scales, and I am
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Thank you to everyone that reached out to
me as well.
I never realized how many people have had
kidney stones either that
really kinda blew my mind.
I am feeling much better now, though and
looking to forget about maybe that part of
the trip because the rest of our time
in Vegas was
so incredible.
I was able to meet some of our
listeners out there and I think next year,
maybe we should have some kind of meetup
up for dinner or cocktails somewhere.
For me,
and I think I can speak for l
on this 1 as well.
Meeting you guys is always the highlight of
our trip to anywhere.
That's why it was so important
for us to bring the cruises back,
being able to have many of you in
1 place and getting the opportunity to sit
down and play poker with you guys,
It's gonna be such a great time. So
if you haven't signed up there already, there's
still some rooms available, and I wanna see
as many of you as possible. So
Go to any up cruises dot com and
sign up.
A new week of the Any up series
is back on Rad Poker. So I'll be
able to play with you guys there too.
With all that was going on in Vegas,
I wasn't able to get on in play.
But now we're back to
I don't know, some sort of normalcy.
And I plan to get on and play
much more. So I wanna see those tournaments
fill up
join if you haven't already.
I will say, I missed playing the heads
up format while we were in Vegas, and
the speed that I was able to get
through a game. I could kick out a
couple of games in, like, 20 minutes, tops.
And if you're
not as good at the heads up format,
what better way to practice than to get
in a bunch of hands. When we had
Na sean on a couple of weeks ago,
He was giving everyone that first month free,
that'll be ending soon. So jump on, try
it out for free.
See if you like it. And if so,
4 99,
a month
for a chance to win
so much
more is 1 of the biggest bargain you'll
find in Poker. I mean, they've given away
over 200000
dollars already.
That's all I have. So let's get on
with the show.
Find out, what conversations are happening around the
poker table.
With table on.
Elena and I are back around the table.
At home.
We made it.
Yeah. We're not gonna give you the play
by play the last 72 hours, but been
pretty rough.
Yeah.
Between
kidney stones and It crashes and
who
airports,
yeah. We we made it though. We did.
Made it and And well last weekend vegas
was fantastic. Oh, incredible. Yeah.
Loved it. And
I'll just
start with the win because we're gonna be
going back there again in December. So... I
can't wait.
We'll start... We we actually went down there
to see Todd Le in in action. We...
We had mentioned I think last week, I
think I miss spoke. Didn't think I said
that he was dealing at the win, but
he's he was actually
helping run the floor.
Yeah.
And doing a great job. Really in Truly.
And and we're always gonna stay true to
what we said last week, which is we're
not out out in Vegas
to cover play by play. There's plenty of
news and other media outlets that
give you the hand by hand breakdown. We're
we're out there to really see what's going
on at the people,
the overall tournament experience itself. And and part
of
the tournament experiences,
people who don't make it to the end.
Are out in other casinos playing. And so
we either interacted with them at the table.
Or
got to see him in action just like
Todd Le mans.
1 of our investors was was the floor
manager. So a beautiful poker room if you
haven't seen it or or visited it. I
would highly recommend it. And we even got
to try maker's mark at the at the
bar in the casino
right next to
really close by to the Poker room. So
that was really fun experience. They didn't even
they didn't have
the
original. Right? They only had 46 6. Yeah.
We also...
We had said we were gonna make it
down to Jack Bin
for a steak there. That didn't happen. We
didn't make it. So much going on. But
we did we did have a nice dinner
at
chic.
In the venetian. Yeah. Joe and I wanted
to celebrate
on day 10
for covering the W sop main event together
that's That's what we chose. That's the restaurant
we chose to celebrate. And then were we
very pleased that that's the 1 we chose.
I have always had this
obsession. Okay. That's a good word for it.
With Cas.
Like, there's a place back in Kansas
that has
the absolute
standard
that all other cases are judged by,
and
So this place had some table side case.
So they actually make it right there in
front of you.
And
it's... It was
really, really good. It's different. It's not the
same kind of case so that...
You're used to. But... Yeah. But it was
really good. It was it was just awesome
our that our wage even. It's typically, it
comes with a different meal, but she was
willing to
just give us an additional charge for the
experience and the table side.
Entertainment, I guess you could say.
But we... I had the Venezuelan short rib,
which had, C Mash next to it. So
good. Yeah. And I had the
Hawkins roti chicken.
I hope I said that right.
Sounded sound right to me.
Our meal was phenomenal. The service was exceptional.
And I also got to
try a maker's mark drink there called the
peach Fuzz. It's maker's mark with
peach preserves, lemon bidder and,
q club soda.
Little on the sweet side for me, I
think I think the peach preserves, which is
what what took it over the edge for
me, but
very good. Yeah. So, I mean, maker's Mark
followed us around. I mean, it it it
it was definitely a part of our
experience in Vegas as well. So,
always appreciate
them being a sponsor of the show. So
while we were out there,
we made some great connections with people, like,
Joe kim did a phenomenal job. Also just
working on our reels to add to our
social media and things like that.
Dustin, we met Dustin, 1 of our listeners,
we met up with him. Were able to
have a breakfast with him and actually
filmed some of his tips and tricks out
there for those of you going out to
Vegas. Yeah. Dustin actually has had a great
opportunity to be able to go twice and
play in multiple events
throughout the whole series. And so, you know,
as we just... As we talked with him
over breakfast, we said,
sounds like you've done this a couple times
and he was like, yeah, And I have
this routine I follow, and I... And we
both agreed.
We wanted to share that with all of
you. So definitely,
take a look at, all the tips and
tricks that dustin and shared just from
registration to
nutrition while you're there to
you know, what to look out for, how
to plan your... How to plan your trip.
Yep. Overall. I mean, every time we travel,
we learn something, and he had
excellent information, so really great to meet you,
Dustin.
And we also got to have breakfast on
a different day with Norman Mary anne. Yeah.
They are
incredible as well. Love meeting them. Special couple.
They are a team. Yeah. Now when you
meet AAA couple. It's like a power couple...
I think they're power couple. Yeah. 100 percent.
100 percent.
Enjoyed talking to them. It was
kind of rushed a little bit more than
than I think we would have liked because
we had... That was on our final day
there in Vegas after our
night in the yard,
So we didn't get to spend probably as
much time as we would have liked with
them, but it was wonderful meeting them, and,
of course,
William, the the pharmacist
at the venetian.
Yeah. We get... I highly doubt William is
listening, but what he doesn't know is is
I I believe he's getting a dozen bacon
roses delivered to his workplace this week. William,
the pharmacist was pivotal in our medical experience.
So needless to say we met people
through Poker, through trips to Walgreens
through, you know,
just fancy meals out. Our whole trip, we
were greeted
and taken care of by lots and lots
of phenomenal people.
And that's always my favorite thing to do
when traveling is meeting new people, and
I would say that we're extremely grateful for
those that we've met on this trip. Oh,
absolutely. And, you know, our our last 2
days because the main event ended and we
had 2 days before we had to fly
out. Yeah.
And 1 of those last 2 days was
supposed to be
our day to go back downtown
because you did we were down there for
a little bit, but you really didn't get
the experience the whole Fremont months. Fremont Street
and all that. And
so our goal was to go back down
there
play dollar blackjack jack.
Eat a 12 dollar prime rib. Okay
really saving up my steak experience for that.
And then maybe hit the rooftop pool at
Circa.
We intentionally added multiple days onto to our
trip so that we could have a little
bit of breathing room,
meet with people
have some fun. That ended up being way
more expensive 2 days than we anticipate
at an urgent care and an, which I
just 10 out of 10. Don't recommend any
urgent care or visit when you're out of
your comfort zone,
meaning, hometown where you know where to go.
So
you know, lessons learned take medications with you,
even if you don't need them.
Right.
Even if you haven't them in a while.
And this may sound doom and gloom, but
1 of the big takeaways we took from
this trip in particular was
it's always a good idea to research hospitals
or urgent cares
wherever you're traveling.
Just so you don't have to make decisions
under pressure. So, I mean, I know we've
gone state in resorts.
And we travel out of the country a
lot, but I think this is something I'm
gonna pay more attention to and just
just having some
some idea of
where you should go and case things come
up because
say la. Yeah. Poor L was on the
phone with
everybody that we possibly could have met in
the last
week
just trying to figure out what hospital to
go to. It
And,
meanwhile, I was
not much help writ in pain.
So,
I do appreciate
you making all those phone calls, and, of
course, figuring all that out. But of course.
But let's talk about the W sop. That's
why we were there.
This what brought the most
most excitement outside of the visit.
Overall, I would say, I was so impressed
with the number of players that were there,
number 1. Number 2,
the language is being spoken, the countries represented.
I did not anticipate it being so a
diverse
experience, and it was awesome to meet people
from all over the world. You know, of
course, we heard bad beats and success stories,
but
in general, I was just in awe at
the amount of people participating in the event.
Right. And those last 3 days man. Action
packed.
Action, packed. The last 3 days in the
main event. Day 8.
We consistently bounce between the 3 tables that
are in that main arena at horseshoe.
And,
you know, of course, our hearts were heavy
when Chrissy Fox was eliminated. She had the
best shirts I'm still gonna try to get
1 of those
Yeah. T shirts, no Fox given.
And there's a fox with her glasses on.
Yeah. So if there's any Chrissy Fox and
fans, that are close to her,
please right into the show and let me
know how can get 1 of those shirts
I will pay
premium to get 1 of those. But also,
like, Jesse Bryant, and... Oh, played his heart
out. Man. So we hated to see him
go, love meeting Jesse Caps. Not duck man
or Duck.
I can't remember when he... What he prefers
to go by, but we were able to
hang out with Jesse quite a bit. Over
the last week and so enjoying meeting him
and also just
ad admire his friend Igor Mo.
And the rail he brought...
Let me tell you the support for him
was on unreal. Yeah. A crazy rail and
loudest by far on that day. 1 sure.
100 percent.
We went to bed day 8, not really
knowing what to expect.
Obviously, we're down to
top top 9 and rolled in day 9
and
Big bird, Jason S,
the brightest rail. But by far. Those big
versions were amazing.
I love those shirts. And you brought up
a good point. How do they pee... How
do they get these shirts made so quickly?
Yeah. I don't know if they had to
pay a pretty penny or if they already
came prepared in hopes that it was gonna
happen. I'm not sure. I mean, even Nicholas
from Sweden, even his rail head shirts Yep.
Made very quickly.
So
Every player has
ridiculous things that they do,
Sea rock, had ice packs on day 8,
and I just could not stop dying laughing.
His buddy would rotate between 5 ice packs
for him. I think overnight, they thought, we
gotta come up with a better and 3
9.
And he had a a neck fan, whatever
those things was cooling.
Yeah. Gadgets are... So I was I kind
of impressed, but then it took away that
need a relieve for me.
So that was also an action packed day.
Yeah. Originally... High high level then going on.
Right. And the original plan was to end
the day at 4 players come back the
next day, but Jason Say, Big bird
he he busted before that last level,
so we actually ended up
starting day 10 with
3
instead of 4. And the chip counts were
pretty close. Yeah barry. So we thought
k, The action will be a little bit
slow. They'll feel each other out, not the
case. Definitely not the case. And I actually
pid around a little bit that morning if
you wanna use that word, Just thinking,
okay. It... The action is not gonna start
off quick. I can take my time. I
can pick up lunch trust.
You you actually got there. It's... I'll tell
you, it kinda started out a mess for
Joan a disappointment for me. You you got
there with no media I got there forgot
my media pass. Yeah.
I'm like,
On the phone with L going.
So when you come, make sure you bring
my media pass. And I'm, like, really Joe.
I know Really? But then I'm like, I'm
trying to do my best. I promise you
I gonna pick up lunch. So
I actually, I think I ran your media
pass first, and then I went and picked
up lunch, but I had no clue that
action was gonna go that past I was
I was devastated that I wasn't there for
Nicholas. Well, Nicholas is elimination, but I had
0 idea
that he would clap back that quick. You
wanna use that word? Yeah. Jordan G started
the whole day being very aggressive. And I
was texting you during that whole thing. I
was, like,
G has
upped his... 1 thing. 1 on his mind
at yeah. And
and it was it was a good thing,
but it got him the... To make this
call. Nicholas made this call, I think,
because
of G being so
aggressive Early on.
And
so he was gone before you knew it.
And, of course, we're down to heads up.
So what do they do? They bring in
that that
money and dump it on the table. Yeah.
That's not a show. That's legit.
I mean, then the way that they also
take it out, is very serious in armed
guards in a locked cart and
I'm panicking. I'm like, oh my god. I've
gotta get the shot.
She just followed the brief. I just followed
the brief briefcase in because there's a... Like,
she said, there's the security guards with guns
in the front.
Everybody just makes a path for them to
bring the money in, so I just snuck
in behind them
to the rail
and started filming
But,
I I didn't film anything else. I was
trying to be respectful. I didn't wanna film
too much, but
I didn't wanna get thrown out. So I
filmed what I could have that and then
got out of there until you came back
with my immediate pass. But... Yeah. And and
really from that point on was the edge
of our seat. I mean, media dashing all
over the room with heads up multiple times,
My would have the lead, G would have
the lead,
you know, who... Who all the chatter in
the room was who's gonna take the title
down and
you know, and people pulling for g. He's
a family man. I want this guy to
win. He's an amateur. Like, it wouldn't be
amazing for him. And then the psycho
all in. Where tam my flop to straight.
I literally was grabbing my head. Like, what
what? Like, how does that happen? I feel
like there were numerous points in the in
the final table where we were like, oh,
my gosh. I can't believe that just happened.
Mh.
Well, there were really
tons of moments like that. They're throughout the
whole tournament because we were talking about before,
like, day won, there were so many
hands where quad Oh, showed up. Oh, yeah
Like, it's create... There's
insane hands this this year in the tournament.
Anything can happen. Is what you should know.
Anything can happen.
But,
yeah. Then,
of course, at the end,
everybody's kinda been talking about the the controversy
that that followed that. Right. So
should...
Well, first of all, there were laptops and
phones everywhere The whole time. Everywhere, on many
people's rails and not even just rails, like,
behind the scenes,
we know that players
are always analyzing their play and other others
play.
When they get to watch the quote unquote,
livestream stream that's released, it's an hour later.
So just so you know, if you're watching
this at home,
you're actually watching an hour after the action.
So
lots and lots of players are studying, Lots
and lots of players have have people on
the rail or behind the scenes that might
not even be there that are watching the
play.
And analyzing and and giving advice. What should
you do the next day? What should you
do if you run into this,
player again and so on and so forth.
But I think this year,
There is a solve being used and that's
the big controversy is we all know people
are gonna study the film.
Right. I mean, you would only be wise
to do that.
But
solve...
Yeah. It's
Of course, I'm
always going to lean toward...
I want to be playing you,
not somebody
on your rail
and you,
not somebody putting it all into a system,
and and all, I'm
I should be playing just you. I mean,
Tomatoes wearing a patch of somebody that created
a
solve. Right. Right? So
so maybe not the same opportunity. I don't
know. But I think it's it's definitely going
to
change things in the future I feel like.
Oh I definitely think that the W sop
would be wise to
ensure that some type of rule and regulation
is established upfront before next year's game.
Yeah. And so then at
I guess the last part of that is,
we have to also mention that it sounds
like Jeff Platt curse is broken. Oh, yeah.
That's 1 of the things that Mayo said
leaving the room. Yeah. Cursed broken.
Because Jeff platt in case you don't, the
rumor is Jeff Platt talks to you you
bust out. Like... I mean, Chris and Fox
from the table. Somebody somebody in her rail
was talking to Jeff Clad, and and and
from the table, Kristen like,
get so and so away from Jeff Platt
now. Now. Now this... You know that this
is not allowed. So players secret it seriously.
Yes. Yeah. It's she said, good thing I
saw that. Right.
So... But he he had talked with My
And
tomorrow still won. So curse broken, question mark?
Yeah. Here's 1. We'll we shall? We shall.
Nana am I glad that we went.
It was a it was a great experience
overall and
already looking forward going back in December,
really looking forward to,
meeting more anti up team members on our
cruise in the fall. If you're still considering,
you can still jump in. We would to
have you. And as always, it's pleasure being
around the table with you, joe. Likewise.
That one's time for call the floor
with Elliott checked.
Elliott Sc joins us each week to say
how he would rule on situations that come
up in your games, and he's with us
again this week.
Elliott, how's it going? Thanks for going pretty
well. Joe. How you doing this week? Oh,
doing well. Still out here in Vegas, Covering,
we're down to
We're down to 3 right now. So That's
right.
We're recording
a little bit early. So by the time
you guys
hear this, it will actually be over but.
But, yeah, we're down to 3 right now.
And they're gonna finish
on schedule as they play. Yeah. Which has
been pretty much unheard of this series.
Yeah. That's for sure. But, hey, we... We
have a call the floor this week this
sent in by
Clark Francis,
and
this is an interesting when he He says
he was in a hand with 3 others,
so 4 of us to the flop of
all hearts.
The first player to act
puts in a substantial bet.
There is 1 fold
then the player to my right throws his
cards away.
But as he does, he toss them fairly
high in the air.
The player that raised
said, hey, I saw those
and the dealer
immediately calls the floor.
Now the floor rules that the hand should
be turned over for me to see as
well.
And
Clark says, I understand the premise
that if 1 player has more information
than another, then it's not fair, but
they didn't ask the player to identify the
cards in any way or
get any kind of
feel that they even saw the card. So
Clark says, I didn't feel like this could
be the proper ruling.
What would stop me from saying, hey, I
saw someone's cards
just to get the information
about what the player was holding or
playing from that position
or if there are other hearts in their
hand or whatever.
So
he says, in this particular hand, it didn't
really make a difference.
I folded and we moved on.
It just
really had me curious as to if this
was the proper procedure and if not, what
would be the correct way to handle this?
I just don't feel like someone should be
able to state that they saw someone's cards
and it just be turned over so quickly
without
any way of confirming that they actually saw
them. So what are your thoughts Elliot? Well,
I agree with the premise Clark?
Yeah.
It's an easy angle to pull. Oh, I
saw those cards. All of a sudden you
get to see more information. Right.
And especially, the person who would claim to
see the cards,
saw them after he placed his wage,
and it was on somebody else to act,
So
the effect on that particular bed,
was nil.
So again, yeah,
to immediately stop all the action and the
Florida immediately turned them over, doesn't seem reasonable
to me. And and
that's
generally not how things should go.
Yeah. You you certainly have to take the
entire context, the entire situation, all of the
relevant information
into account before you'd side to do something
as drastic as turning over
dead cards.
It doesn't appear to be the case here.
There wasn't a whole lot of masking.
A dealer said... Oh, these cards were exposed.
Right. Well, no. We don't know they we're
exposed. And. Nobody could identify them. So again,
yeah. Then
sometimes you gotta slow down a little bit
when you're making a decision.
And
this is probably 1 of those times.
It certainly sounds like it. Yeah. I
I agree with,
your thinking there, Clark and and,
and your instincts were spot on.
What if what if instead of at that
point turning the hand over? Because, like you
said, he had already
placed his bet. Right?
What if after Clark had
called or
made his action, then if it was necessary,
then they could turn the hand over. Would
that be the way to do it or
not turn it over at all?
Yeah. The answer hasn't most
nuanced decisions is it depends.
There will be spots where you would wait
until the end of the hand to show
the cards. There would be spots where you
never show the cards.
This is certainly a marginal spot.
Could you go either way? I suppose, a
lot of people can make the case for
either.
My instinct tier is do not show these
cards,
a few players
had a chance,
and
it's not
entirely discernible whether those cards were exposed or
not.
Better safe than sorry. Cards that were meant
to be,
not shown. It should remain not shown,
barring really good reasoning.
And I
can't find it in this particular case. There
are spots where you should be showing the
cards of course. Right.
And even then it it's still generally better
to delay showing them,
than to show them immediately.
And certainly in cases where the the cards
have no effect. And again, I mean it
he could have folded a heart, key heart,
picture ace doesn't matter.
But again,
Yeah. I didn't...
Taking 1 person's word for it and then
immediately acting on it that's a little rash.
Yeah. It does seem like they kinda
jumped
at
exposing these cards
a little quick.
I I don't know. I don't know if
you can ask the player to identify 1
of them to be able to
make sure that he saw them either though.
So I was curious to see how how
you would handle that.
I guess how do you verify? How do
you verify that he even saw the cards?
How would you normally verify something like that?
Or does it even matter?
Well,
sometimes it does.
It matters
more obviously before the best place than after
the best place. In right.
But it still matters. You you you you
certainly don't want players acting on information they
shouldn't have.
You don't want people possessing an advantage over
somebody else because of
the ability to see somebody's cards.
All that is true. That doesn't change, and
that certainly leads people to show cards in
a lot of those situations. Those feelings are
not entirely
invalid,
but you still gotta be careful.
Again,
if if you're gonna show those cards every
time you're opening it up as Clark referred
to to everybody who
claims to have seen cards and all of
a sudden, you gotta show them, which they
if it became rampant, would certainly make the
game un unfavorable. Right? Because it'd being
Yeah stopping all the time to show people's
cards who folded. Then need nobody be able
to fold in peace.
It would be horrible.
Yeah. Of course. I mean, if a guy's
gonna literally lift his cards show the person
who's about to bet his cards, and then
throw them away.
Yeah. Those cards probably bothered probably gotta get
home.
And the player who did that probably needs
to
be taken aside and and explain how this
is supposed to work or or
should be encouraged to play other games.
Right?
At some, you've gotta actually follow the rules
and following the rules means throwing your cards
away in such a way that nobody gets
to see that.
So
helicopter it has it's called on pi.
I don't know it. So...
The action of the the word is correct,
but it's so un
and such a mouthful that we shouldn't be
using it. But
that's generally what it's called. When you send
your cards up high enough that people can
see them and they flop back down.
Yeah. You don't want people doing that either.
That's not responsible handling of your cards. That's
certainly within the rules of the game.
In the Td obviously rule 2,
play responsibilities,
and cash games most
rooms have at least
a brief if not explicit reference to how
players should
maintain their cards and and get them to
the dealer when it's time to fold.
So again, yeah There are
different answers for different situations, and
Yeah. There's a a wide spectrum of weather
whether cards may or may not have been
seen or shown and
the remedies
for those
situations. But, yeah. Yeah. We gotta keep the
game fair, which means sometimes you're gonna see
them.
And sometimes you're not,
and it,
yeah. Based on,
pretty well described event from Clark here. I'm
not convinced that the cards needed to be
shown here. And so maybe in this case,
it's
just a
let it play out and then maybe even
a warning to the person
throwing their cards, helicopter as you said,
their cards to be a little more careful
for sure.
Right.
Because even if we're not gonna show the
cars, I mean then all of a sudden,
you're giving you the opportunity to,
the player who claims you saw them to
announce 2 cards that he may or may
not have seen.
Yeah. There's just
too many unforeseen consequences. And
in both directions, that's 1 from not showing
the cards.
Yeah.
But
on the side of caution
would lead you to not show the cards
as opposed to showing them. Right? You can't
expose everybody's cards who may have may have
been exposed in some
fashion every time
because
we're all human and nobody is perfect. Somebody's
gonna just send their cards in a way
that something catches And the air conditioner might
have been blowing in wrong direction at 1
point.
Somebody might have been walking by
somebody's hand might have gotten away. Somebody might
have sneeze.
I mean, anything could have happened. Right. So
again, yeah. And
automatically turning over cards
immediately with little,
polling or questioning
of the players and dealer at the table
and
Yeah. Generally, not the result we're looking for.
Right. And Click, you... As Elliot pointed out,
you described that situation very well. So
kudos for that. Thanks for sending that in.
If anyone has a call the floor that
they would like Elliott to rule on,
send it to podcast at any at magazine
dot com. And Elliott, you... A bonus points
for the any ups shirt today.
Thank you.
Glad to glad to rep
our find cash. Yeah.
Break it, and, we'll we'll catch you again
next week. Definitely.
Let's break it down with hand of the
week.
We're back with another hand of the week.
Patrick,
how's it going? Am pretty good, man. How's
Vegas? It is hot.
Well, let me let me rephrase that It
is hot out side and cold inside.
Yeah.
I am wearing a hoodie currently because it
is cold inside.
Yeah. That's understandable.
What is the temperature? Like, a hundred and
5.
It's been... Like, yesterday, I think it was
a hundred and 9 a hundred and 10.
Today should be about the same. It was
01:17
when we got here,
01:18.
God. Went... Yeah, 18 the next day? Yeah.
So
count me out.
I'm not upset about it. I love it.
Yep.
Meeting inside count me in for that 1.
Well,
also,
we walked down
up the horseshoe down the hallway to Paris.
And that's where the jackpot digital
tables are.
And Yeah. I have yet to be able
to sit down on them and play.
They've just they've constantly got people on them.
And it's awesome.
Well, you you know what? That's exactly what
we were kinda thinking, So really glad to
hear it For for for those guys for
our guys, but, I mean, I guess people
having fun. They're join it. Yeah. The... This
that's that's 1 thing I will tell you.
Every time I go by there, people are
having a great time with it. So looking
forward to being able to actually get on
there and play.
Maybe I'll have to just go in there
late at night and, you know, the only
1 in the
As as you're gonna head back to the
hotel... As you're getting a head back to
the room, You're like, alright. I gotta make
a pin stop and we could see this
What's what this is.
I also just wanna give a shout out
to Bobby Wood junior
before we get too far into the hand
of the week because
just missed when in the home run derby
or at least tying the home run derby.
At least time in the.
Well, I mean, if we're if we're given
our teams, you know, shout outs, you know,
on this. That's it. We can just move
all, not not a baseball podcast, but If
anyone watched the actual All star game the
next night,
you know, the the mid midsummer classic always
has an Mvp, and and I don't know
if you saw.
But then Mvp came from the 1 Boston
Red sox.
So
just saying
if if mister Duran is listening, I... You
know, that would be awesome, but,
congratulations to my friend.
That is a great
That's was fun. It was it was a
lot of fun washing in summer classes. And
now we make a run.
Yeah. And then you can spend that Probably
New York, Yankee fans out there.
Whatever we're coming for you. There you go.
I like it.
I like it. Hey. If if both of
our team wait If both of our teams
make it in to the the playoffs? Does
that mean you have to spin the wheel
punishment twice?
Twice.
III think that's the only way. I mean,
because At at this point, I would spin
it twice and just for us to have
both of our teams getting. I like it.
I think so.
Yeah.
Alright.
Do I get to pre approve what's on
the punish? Absolutely not.
That's great. Alright. Maybe I'll stick with 1
Let's
let's let's place them poker. Alright. So we've
got ahead of the week. It's sent in
by Cali
Rush.
I'm assuming that's how you say your name,
Colin, If not, please
send me an email and and
let me know. But CALLAN.
Call Rush.
Cow, I gotta tell you. I... I'm going...
I'm sticking with that. Hardcore. I think that's
out for now. You have a far name
than I do. So Appreciate my friend.
Call... Alright. What's what's our friend playing? Colin
is playing 1 3. Who
And he says our stack is 300
as we just added a hundred dollars to
top it off before the hand started.
We had been losing a bunch of small
pots and not really getting much going.
K. And he says Villain 1.
In this hand is under the gun plus
1 and has 270
in his stack,
and Villain 2
is on the button and has 01:50 in
his stack.
K. We're gonna be in the cutoff in
this hand.
So K. Villain 1 raises to 10 dollars
from under the gun plus 1,
and it folds to us
in the cutoff
with the Ace Diamonds
jack of clubs.
I love a good billing story.
10 tough time to be the good guy.
I think we're I think we're raising this.
I think we're raising it. I think we're
raising it, tom
35.
You you like that Ace diamonds jacket clubs.
I like that Ace diamonds Jack clubs, and
I wanna get rid of at least 1
of these guys.
Yeah. III guess the problem is under the
again plus 1.
It's gonna have a lot of strong hands
in their range. So
Yep.
Sounds like we've been bleeding chips for a
while. So... And that's why we topped off
our stack. Right?
So that's a good point. I don't really
wanna go crazy here.
I'm fine I'm fine with a... Just a
call and hope we just smash the flop.
That's that's what I'm gonna go with. Fair.
We've got good position. So
Call
calls as well.
Cup. As does the 2 on the button.
So we go to the flop, 3 handed
and
what 34 dollars in the pot.
The flop is the 7 of Diamonds
queen of spade
jack of diamonds.
Villain 1
bets 15
and is on us.
15, a little less than half pot.
Pair our jacks
Patrick's feeling aggressive.
I am feeling aggressive today because I wanna
come over the top.
But that being said, I I don't
I don't want too just yet. I would
probably call.
Yeah. I think we this call here. We
have bottom pair backdoor diamonds
we're definitely not folding, obviously, but I don't
wanna go crazy. So
I think it's... A call is good.
Yeah. And
that's what Cali does.
K. And Villain 2 calls as well.
So the pots getting up there now at
79 dollars,
and the turn is the king of diamonds.
Now Villain 1 checks.
See, I don't like that. I should like
that, but I don't. And let me tell
you why. Yes. We have the A diamond
great.
But
now we've got even more hope.
And hope can be a bad thing.
And I'm a glass half guy. Let me
tell you.
You said Villain 1 check to us. Correct?
Yeah.
I think I'm gonna check a right around.
I... I'm not gonna fall. I mean, if
I I don't
you know, big pocket pair. They got queens.
They've got aces. They had
ace king,
diamonds.
There's... I mean, not playing conservative wise. However,
I I can make them on a pretty
good hand. So is the the the check
being
just bait us. So
I... I'm following that up again. Yeah.
I think my biggest thing is you sound
like you've got a different thought process. No.
I I think I wanna check, but I
think just my reasoning is a little different,
we've got that person. Okay. We've got that
player left to act after us. Right?
Yeah.
If we were heads up,
then I would put some money in.
But since we're
we're kinda caught in the middle here so
to speak.
I'm just gonna
I'm just gonna check,
see what happens.
And...
K. Let's see Cali checks as well. Before
we go for any further,
this is not to validate my thought process
earlier I might have been a wee bit
aggressive there. But to start, you said if
we were playing heads up,
you think at this point in the way
that
got it's kinda flow. Could we we've have
gotten 1 of these guys heads probably not
bill 1 in under the gun. Right. But
the button maybe?
Never know. Yeah. We we probably could've got
them away. Yeah. For sure.
Okay.
Something to think about, but yeah I'm not
always right.
The problem is the problem is you have
to weigh that. Right? You have to weigh
it with
Okay. I got this 1 person out and
we're heads up now, but that we bloated
the pot. Right?
Which in this case, Yeah. In this case,
probably wouldn't be bad since he checked to
us, but
I don't know. In the moment, I felt
like
that would be a mistake, Not a mistake,
but not the way I wanted to go
for sure.
Sure. Yeah. No. That makes sense. So alright.
So we check calendar checked
button checked. Correct?
No. Villain 2.
Bets 40 dollars.
Oof, there you go. That literally is exactly
why you did not.
And Villain 1 calls.
So...
Yeah. Is right.
There's a lot. There's a lot can be
sad by
well,
that's a pretty big portion of Villain two's
stack.
He started the hand with a hundred and
50 bucks.
Yeah.
So he's going even more, and we're on
a we're on a diamond
draw. Well, and we also have
We have jacks. I don't feel so good
about the Jacks now. That's lot better when
I was holding just those 2II
think think III
think I'm folding.
Really?
Because I am, I went from very aggressive
to start this hand too. I just wanna
play the next hand.
And a very quick about of.
But
you tell me how wrong my mindset is.
Well, I I mean, we've got the the
nut flash draw. We're not... I'm not going
anywhere.
Really. Yeah. We got middle pair and the
nut flush draw.
I don't wanna raise,
but
I'm not going anywhere.
I...
Yeah. No. I can't I can't let lay
down the numbers call.
Fair enough.
So, yeah, I'm calling. You're folding
call calls as well.
Colin and I have been on the same
page. This whole
this whole. On everything. Yeah. On every last
1 of them.
The pot now is what, a hundred and
99 dollars or something. And the river is
the 10 of diamonds.
Cali says,
he's got the little asterisk in there and
says note.
This is where it gets weird.
Oh my gosh. How
Alright. He says, and I don't know how
to play this spot.
After check calling the previous street.
Villain 1 now leads out
for only 12 dollars.
Into a part of almost 212
12.
And he had 2 70 to start with.
So he he's got
still chips in his hand.
12:12
dollars. Now, keep in mind say what when
we're talking.
Yeah. Say what we're talking. Go ahead.
12 dollars into a pot of 1 99.
Okay.
Alright. Keep in mind, what? Keep in mind,
we have the nut flush, but we do
not have we do. There's at least, yeah.
Queen 9
Queen 9 is a straight flush.
Queen 9 of diamonds. Oh, yeah.
Is a straight flush.
And I think I have to go back
and look here, but I think 9 8
of diamonds is also a straight flush on
the other side.
It is 7 diamonds, 8 diamonds not a...
Yet because there's 7 there's 7 jack... 07:10
jack king of diamonds on the board.
So you're right. We don't have the nines.
So
now, are they betting super tiny to get
chips in the pot?
Yeah. I mean, I Again, like, Colin called
it, like, that's weird. That's a weird bet.
That is a hundred percent of weird bet.
I don't know what to do on that.
And.
I think I I think if I was
actually playing in this game, I would look
at the guy and be like, did you
mean to put more in? Right.
I think I might say that. Out loud.
I I don't know. Joe, What are you
gonna do?
I know I only go first, but I
don't know. There's there's only 2 hands that
beat us.
This 2 straight flush
that are possible are the only ones that
are gonna beat us. Which are significantly low
percentage of holding.
I feel like this is some kind of
blocker bet, like,
trying to get us to not bet big.
So
what do you do when you feel like
somebody is trying to get you to go
1 direction, you go the other?
So I'm gonna race
Yeah. How big?
So we could get cute. Right? We could
just men raise them and be like, oh,
you wanna put in 12. Fine. I put
in 24.
Start start playing a head game.
But... Alright. I think III
because we have that other player in there,
I don't think I wanna do that. I
think I, I'll probably just... Although if you
do that, then maybe you get them to
put their chips in too.
I
I'm gonna I'm gonna get a weird way.
That does sound like a great idea. Right?
My my my gut
initially was to put in 45 dollars, though.
Okay. But that would be kind of a
fun way to get more chips in there.
Might change my mind. I think I... Yeah.
I'm just gonna put it... Just men raise
it.
That's phenomenal. 24 it is.
What do what about you? Is that what
you're doing? What what... I mean, I had
bigger in my head. I mean, you said
45.
I had somewhere in that 40 ish range
in my head
of,
it it... That's threw me. I mean, it
really threw me. You're right. We don't have
the nuts, but we sure do feel pretty
good about our hands. So, I mean, I
had...
Yeah. Like I said, I was somewhere in
that you know, lower 40 range anyways.
I'd still stick with that. I don't know.
I'm not I'm not cute enough to do
and mess with them that way.
What it I'd, I can't wait through this.
I what a calendar it. Well, before I
get to that, let me let me just
say if you do put in a bed
of 45
some... Or in that 40 range.
And Yeah. They come over the top.
The good news is they can't come too
far and, like, they only have, like, a
pot size bet left.
So Right. So I feel like even
putting in the 40 dollar 45 dollar
range.
If they
shove,
we can still call.
Right. Yeah. I don't think it's... I don't
think that's too bad.
That it, Call just calls
and the button does too. Called the. He
just called the 12 dollars.
All that's hilarious.
The villain shows the queen of Diamonds
10 of spade.
So they blocked 1 of the straight flush
ended up with a smaller flush than us.
And fill too mu to their cards.
So Cali question is did I miss value
on the river?
Am I gonna get called by worse hands
on the river if I race?
III mean, My gut reaction is yes. You
probably did.
That us is also coming from the guy
that wanted to lead out really, really big,
and then I ended up folding
the flush.
So, you know, take my
input with a grain of salt here today.
But, yeah. III guess the the the short
and quicken answer is, yes you probably did,
but it's more or less of how...
I mean, if you come out, you know,
12 dollars to us and you come out
and you do 45 like you said, Joe.
Is that guy calling? Yeah. Seeing his cars
now. He's got Queens? Yeah.
Probably...
It he's probably calling that. It's to see.
Yeah. It's tough to get value from some
of the hands, but I think in this
specific hand,
that you're getting called.
But I guess my my question
is more of
why does that matter?
So if
if you are willing to put in the
4
big blinds,
if you raise
what are you missing out on?
Because
you either got the 4 big blinds from
them or you if they folded, you still
got the 4 big blinds from them
with the potential of getting more.
So
I I don't think that
I I just don't I don't understand
what you're worried about there as far as
getting value. If they fold,
you still won the 4 big blinds,
which is what you did when you called
won the 4 big blinds. Now if you're
worried about whether or not they had the
straight flush.
Okay. Fine.
But, yeah,
from that standpoint, you definitely missed out on
value.
Yeah. You're right.
Either way, you took it down.
Either way, you took it down Take it
down, and
and you send it to us in 1
of the...
I would say top 5 strange
actual 8 dollar bets that we've seen.
1 90 out of the pot, I bet
12. Yeah.
I love it. If he would've have
jammed, I think we would had to call
too though. Yeah.
Either the way. I think you have to.
In that case, it would've worked out, but
I think you have to either way.
I mean, I think, I I... Ultimately, you
know, the the...
Yeah. Got weird for
for you, Call, but I think you played
it very well across the board. Yeah. Yeah.
So. You you happen to play it well
too.
Credit crazy. I played it the same as
Call for the most part until we got
to the end.
So Yeah. They you go. And you probably
would have... I mean, in that case,
you may or might not have actually ended
up getting any anymore out of it, but...
Probably, but that being said,
cal all done. Good hand. Yep. And if
anyone else has a hand of the week
that they would like Patrick and on a
down,
send it to podcast at n at magazine
dot com.
Patrick.
Let's see this again next week. Coming me
in.
Thanks. God.
And so ends another world series poker.
That bitter sweet moment where dreams are made
and hearts are broken.
The final hand has been dealt the chips
are packed away and the once bustling halls
of the horseshoe and Paris are
ee quiet.
During the summer, the W sop is the
epicenter of the poker universe.
It's a magical place where
The only thing louder than the shuffle of
cards is the collective sound of players mu.
How did he call that?
It's a time when players are either
riding high on their chip stacks or
low on their bank roles.
But no one's thinking about the aftermath, then
suddenly,
it's over.
For the winners,
the end of the W p is like
winning the lottery. I mean, you get to
hold up that bracelet or ba in the
glory of your victory,
and post for those awkward photos with
large stacks of cash that... Let's be honest,
you'll never see all in 1 place again.
It's a time to celebrate. Right?
But for every winner,
there are thousands of players
heading home with lighter pockets and shattered dreams.
Their stories are a bit less glamorous.
They head back to their day jobs, their
online grind or the nearest cash game determined
to win back their buy in.
The world series is referred to as summer
camp for adults. And
the final moments are further proof of that.
You've
made friends from around the world,
shared laughs, bad beats, and
way too many energy drinks.
Saying goodbye is heart.
The bonds formed over the felt are real.
Even if you only remember each other by
your screen names
and a vague description, like
that guy with the weird hat.
As the players file out,
there's a mix of emotions.
Relief because
your body cannot handle another 14 hour day.
Fueled solely by caffeine and adrenaline
sadness
because you're leaving behind the cam and excitement.
And let's face it also dread because
now you have to face the reality that
there's not another chance for a bracelet tomorrow.
Returning to normalcy after the W is like,
coming back from a vacation where you got
sunburn
just enough to be a constant reminder of
the fun that you had on the trip.
Regular poker nights feel
tame now, almost mundane.
You missed the high stakes drama, the bad
beat stories that could fill a novel and
the constant quest for that elusive bracelet.
You also miss the W p's unique culture,
the eccentric personalities, the colorful language
and the occasional celebrity sighting. Where else can
you go all in against a Hollywood star,
a tech billionaire and a random guy who's
clearly been wearing his lucky shirt for the
tenth day in a row.
The end of the W sop also marks
the beginning of planning for next year.
You'll replay those hands in your head vowing
to study more place smarter and
not tilt when your full house gets cracked
by quad.
You'll hit the gym, eat better and prepare
yourself mentally for another shot at glory.
And so the cycle continues.
The end of the W sop is bitter
sweet, but it's also a reminder that poker
like life,
is a never ending game.
There's always another hand to be dealt. Another
tournament to play, and another chance to turn
those bad beats
into sweet victories.
So until next year,
keep playing and remember
in poker and in life
It's not over until that last river card
falls.
That's today's 1 out, and that's today's show.
I'll see you next week gay team. And
until then,
I'll see you at the tables.
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