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I also wanted to take a minute to
give a couple of shout outs.
Fred Mc mckinney has been a listener for
a long time, and found me on the
floor of the W sop actually,
and
Zach Church also found me and he just
found the show about 3 months ago.
They both came up to say hello and
that means the world
I, also wanted to think Chad Hollow with
Poker News and and Jesse Fu with the
W sop.
They were the first 2 people actually to
reach out to me when I took over
Any up. And, of course, Chad used to
be an ambassador for.
Jesse was also with Poker News at 1
point, but now he's with the W sop,
and they both came and found me out
here. It was awesome talking to them, and
getting some insight about how they do
things here because
they've been doing this for a long time.
So thank you to all of you guys.
Tomorrow, we actually get to have lunch with
Todd Le.
He's been out here dealing at the wind,
and it's gonna be great to catch up
with him as well.
So and and we're gonna be here for
a while. So if you're in Vegas or
on your way to Vegas.
Shoot me a message, let me know.
That's all I have. So
let's get on with the show.
Find out, what conversations are happening around the
poker table.
With table tom.
Elena and I are back around the Poker
table. And it's hot.
Yeah.
Yeah. It has been
a hundred and teens
every day that we've been out here.
Like yesterday was a hundred and 18.
Yes.
I think it was a hundred and 15
the day we got here. I don't have
a clue what it's gonna be today, but
every day in the forecast was...
A hundred
15, 16 17,
like, it's crazy. It's not gonna drop till
under
10.
Until next week. If you haven't already noticed,
we are in Las Vegas this week coming
to you live
and
staying hydrated has been extremely important. Yeah. And
not the adult beverage hydrated, like, water.
Right. Water is is what's been
necessary. And because we're out here covering the
W sop and
checking out casinos and all the seeds in
the site We've also gotten way more steps
and we normally
do. And so our bodies are grateful for
that. I I cannot tell you how I
haven't slept this hard at night. In a
long time. Since Like I was a kid
at camp. This 1 feels like when you
go to bed at night. You're so tired
you don't remember honestly asleep. Right.
So
it's been great.
Whip we've seen some great things.
We
had...
I mean, Jack bin in the horseshoe. Mh.
Is such a cool place. It really is.
And we only even sat at the bar.
I think we're gonna go to the dining
room
next week
to to grab a stake. But
sitting at the bar. Maker's marks Ari, we
did cheat on you a little bit. They
had an amazing
old fashion
Yeah. It's smoked in this plexiglass
box, and you had to open the box
to get to drink out in the smoke.
Just
bill out. It was really cool. No.
All the angels saying. Yeah. Yeah. And the
the bartender there are great. They've they've been
working there for years. They know
how to create an amazing
presentation. Yeah. And we actually found it because
we saw,
Aaron Massey had told us where he found
it, but we saw his real
and
we're, like, we have to check that out.
Yeah. So thanks, Erin. We really appreciate you
letting us know because it was
delicious. Yeah. Yeah.
And,
that was during our time on the strip.
It gets a little more expensive there on
the weekends,
So we moved downtown.
Yeah. But we'll go back to the strip
after Sunday. We're we're where it all began.
I like being down here. Yeah. This was
your first time to see downtown. It it
is. It is. And actually, I really feel
like this is the first time Experiencing Real
Vegas when we were here when I was
here and
20 21. You've been back since, but there
was still during somewhat at the height of
Covid, and not as many travelers, not as
many experience is available. And so
I'm really enjoying myself, not to mention sitting
down
around a table for the second time of
ever playing a cash game of been a
tournament player up until this point, you guys
know I've been taking lessons, Joe and I
play. We have home games. If you're following
the story. If not,
I've It's your first time listening. This was
my second cash game ever. We went to
see Trooper
at the West Gate. Yep. His table is
full, so we joined A12 game
man was that fun. Your nickname is now
the black widow.
Nobody wants to get caught. In my way.
You did quite well. You you played very
well, but look... I mean, the cards were
in your favor as well, but you did.
You played very well. Thank you. You did
well. I doubled my money last night. Yeah.
And And wrecked some egos.
I think more importantly ladies.
We had people from San Antonio. We had
people from Chicago I town. Yeah. We had
end my lucky charm. Hello the Norwegian.
Norwegian On you're right. All the people in
all the poker rooms available,
Who do I sit next to a Norwegian
who's been playing in the main event? I
didn't even get his name.
We just had the best time swapping Nor
words back and forth, and he was
Most impressed that a,
American woman is playing the game. So it
was fun. It was so much fun. If
you don't understand the connection...
Elle lived in Norway
in previous years. And so
it holds a special place in her heart.
Still,
So... Yeah.
So it was really cool that you got
to sit down, and
you said a couple of Norwegian words and
he was, like,
Hi good.
Oh my god. Yeah. It was it was
great.
You know, guys, the reason we're really out
here is to cover the W o but
when you're in Vegas, you gotta have a
little bit of fun as well. We are
not covering hand by hand, all the stats,
all the things. There's plenty of other people
outlets for everybody to be following that along.
We're we're following the everyday poker player. Where
is everybody playing if they busted it out
of the main. If they're still in the
main, what are their stories
just really out here to glean the whole
experience overall, and
it's been a blast.
Oh my gosh. And if you don't follow
if you don't follow us on social media,
be sure to do that because especially, like,
Instagram
slash Facebook,
because
we've been posting some of the things there.
And
my favorite thing, I had never seen
the world series main event,
bubble burst 4? 0, my god. I wasn't
able to be with you, but it's it
was insane. In Sandy. I mean, Daniel No...
I think Vlog number 42 or 43 was
about. The bubble insanity. It was absolutely insane.
5 tables at the same time and they
stop the play. Yeah. Everywhere. Like freeze. It's,
like freaking red light green light. Yeah. Red
light freeze. But you also have
every media outlet
known to man,
holding cameras up above the crowd and trying
to get it all on on video
and
closest to the Paparazzi feel we'll ever get.
Yeah. 100 percent. And I was part of
the Paparazzi. It was crazy.
Yeah. Well, we're gonna create a couple of,
highlights from from the week of us being
here 10 days. And so stay tuned to
that. We're having a lot more fun getting
out there. On social media. And,
we're also sharing some tips along the way.
I mean, Maker's mark is the sponsor of
table talk or and we may have cheated
on you a little bit when we went
to Bin, but guess what? We've got the
bottle in the room. We're hosting our own
happy hours in it's excellent way. To save
money
on your dining experiences here in Vegas is
have a have a little happy hour in
your room. Yeah. And, you know what? They
they kind of encourage it. Like, yes. A
lot of places will be, like, oh, you
can't bring
your alcohol or whatever.
They encourage it. So
it's good. They know they know it's expensive.
Yeah.
As everything is. I mean... Prices are going
up everywhere and they are certainly high here.
Yeah. But it... 1 of the other highlights
of the world series I loved watching
The final 4 of the 1508
game mix. Mh.
That was really cool.
Miami John. Miami John Ser. Yeah. And Josh
R a,
and, I mean,
Garth,
beat.
This field of
just sharks. Yes. Yes. And Garth hasn't played
in in an event, I think in over
20 years. Is that right? I I think
it was
20 years since he had cash 1. I
don't know if he played a number or
not.
Since he's cash. But but... Yeah. 20 year
drought between this win and his last life,
tournament,
cash.
That's crazy. Yeah. Well, he's Blake Shelton to
me. I came around the corner. I was
like, he's Blake Shelton playing in the world
series of poker. And then I kept looking
and, like, Joe. Who is that? Let's check
him out and see and keep watching and
it's so much fun. Yeah. I keep saying
that phrase over and over again. I really
am. It's like a kid camp. I'm having
so much fun. And and in Miami John
O'leary, his rail was was off the rail.
They were having a great time. Camp Josh
Aria wife, and his dog came I got
to pet his dog as
soon as I get to see his His
dogs has the biggest smile. The biggest smile.
So it was really fun to be around
that rail and cannot wait to continue.
Stand... We've been able to
watch lots of pros.
We've gotten a glimpse of Phil. We've gotten
phil Ivy. We've gotten a glance of,
phil Helm playing. So it's been
an experience to say the least. And to
be able to to be media and not
have to stand behind the ropes this year
has also
been really nice. Yeah. It really has been
cool. There there have been a couple of
times when people are like, you have to
go, oh, I'm sorry. Your media. Great.
Yeah. Yeah. I got to say you had
Maria H when she was playing. Yeah. And
so we're down into the hundreds at this
point.
And we'll continue to cover and check in
with folks throughout the weekend. They have Monday.
Like, a hundred and 63
at this point. And then... Yeah.
Today tomorrow, Sunday,
they'll play it down to the final 9
and then take Monday off,
and then
play down at the final 3 on Tuesday?
Yeah. And we'll cover.
That's when we'll be covering more intense
poker action. Yeah. I plan to be on
that real all day. Yeah Wednesday. It's gonna
be
exciting. That energy is gonna be
unreal. I mean, it's already been crazy, but
that energy for the final 9 is gonna
be
intense. If you've ever competed in any sport
that you're so nervous you wanna vomit before
the buzzer or the whistle goes off or
the gun?
Sally I used to feel when I was
running cross country is waiting for them to
shoot that signal off for us to to
hit
hit the trail.
Like, you're walking in there and I like
have to take a break sometime. Have to
leave the room because it's just
emotions,
energy is high.
Oh, yeah. 100 percent. Very very, very high.
But before we get to that, you've talked
about the spear.
For so long. So we're going tonight.
You're finally gonna get to see it. I
saw it from the outside
Now we'll see it from the inside. Yes.
We scored tickets to a dead and company
before they leave, and the headline... The next
headline is gonna be the Eagles That would
have been amazing. It's that would have been.
The eagles would have been an incredible show
as well, but I feel
more than honored and and over the moon
excitement to be able to get into the
sphere and see
and hear all the things. Yeah. Yeah. It's
gonna be...
It's gonna be wild.
We were... I was just giving you a
hard time for saying wild so much earlier.
It was it's gonna be wild. It is
gonna be wild. And I... And an... And
as the young kids say these days, and
I'm here for it.
It's gonna be wild, and I'm here for
it. Yeah.
But...
And in the meantime,
if you haven't already start following us on
socials because we're putting a lot of stuff
out there and we're having a blast out
here in Vegas,
But, yeah, let's go get some more stuff
done. It's always pleasure being around the table
with you, Joe. Likewise.
Gal time for call the floor
with Elliott Checked.
Elliott Sc joined us each week to say
how he would rule on situations that come
up in your games, and he's with us
again this week. Elliott, How are you? I'm
doing for well. Thanks. Things are good.
How are you doing this week?
I'm doing well. Trying to find a... A
quiet area. I'm actually in the Fedex copy
and Prince business center.
So shout out to them for, let me
use this little area,
But Yeah. Thank you, Fed. Yeah.
But we have a call the floor this
week that Sent by his name's Andy Buckle,
and
this isn't interesting when. I thought it was
a pretty interesting topic. He he said he
was playing a live event over the weekend.
And had a situation occur
after moving to a new table and he
had never heard of or seen it before
So he was curious what you would have
ruled in this situation.
There are
3 levels left until the end of day
1.
And there's they're 30 minute levels.
So he's moved to this new table
and seat 1 is the villain
in question here,
So
he says, I open on the cutoff, Bill
is on the button
is a standard open. Nothing exciting.
Villain
tank calls.
So we go to the flop.
But before they... The flop is dealt a
player not in the hand, mu,
he has been tanking
all day, and it's getting ridiculous.
Which is followed by several players agreeing.
The flop comes out he continues for about
half pot on the flop, and the villain
begins to tank again.
After 20 seconds, a player at the table
calls clock,
Villain uses his entire time and unfolds.
The next hand,
Villain again tanks pre flock.
Immediately, the same player calls clock.
Again, at and then as we reach the
flop, the same player calls clock again,
And after calling clock 3 times
in as many streets of action, the floor
gives a verbal went warning to the player
who has called clock.
3 times.
The next hand,
the villain begins the tank
and clock is called immediately again
but this time by a different player.
So now the entire table begins to take
turns,
calling clock for every action the Villain makes.
So Andy says I've never seen a situation
like this before
where 8 out of the 10 players at
a table.
Proceeded to target a single player.
So his question is how do you deal
with this situation?
Can you give penalties to the entire table
and allow the table to continue with only
2 players?
And he says, I...
Understand this is a unique situation, but thought
it was an interesting 1. So
what do you think?
Speaking for all of my colleagues, we wish
him were more me me. And
the fact the matter is this is covered
in the rules twice.
First in rule 2, which is player responsibilities,
players have a responsibility to act in the
timely manner in order to expedite the gain.
And,
of course, the actual clock rule
rule 29 currently, but I may change when
the next additions sent out with a couple
new rules calling for the clock.
The last sentence
is especially important.
Tournament directors may adjust the time allowed and
take other steps to stop persistent delays.
So, I mean,
Andy, you seem to be
making a hero of the guy who's tanking
and and turning rest of the table into
Villains. And
in almost every case where we make a
decision. It's rare to find 1 person who's
saying and 8 people who are insane.
It's generally the opposite.
And the default does not lie with the
people who are calling the clock here. I
regret to inform you that the fault lies
with the person who was consistently tanking every
time.
We're gonna assume this is not a time
clock tournament.
Right. So tanking for every single decision and
taking the maximum amount of time
is not reasonable.
And the tournament director should have specifically
warned and then penalized
the serial tanker and not the rest of
the table.
To the point where I'd get the guy
5 seconds stack act before the flop 10
seconds stack act on the flop and so
forth.
I'm not enough.
All of the players are around the clock,
not just the players at the table, but
the players in the entire field.
This can't go on.
If 1 table is playing less hands
significantly than any other table.
That's a distinct advantage for that table over
the rest of the field. And and is
completely unfair.
Everything we've done to the game over the
last in the 15 to 20 years has
been to
make things more broadly fair
but also to
expedite the game in in many different ways.
We've added chips. We've made line levels longer.
We've gotten
shuffle machines on as many tables as possible.
We gone to big blind annie instead of
having to go an individual annie.
Everything
we've done tournaments that has increased
the amount of hands per level the amount
of... Chips for stack, and therefore the amount
of skill allowed to be
shown through.
For somebody to evaporate that time, it's not
within the rules.
And it's certainly,
basically an angle.
And
obviously a way to annoy other players at
the table, which again, it is not within
the rules.
Sometimes you need time to make a decision,
and that's fine.
We don't call the clocks
at various tables.
Based on demand only. We also
take a look at the situation.
If there's few chips in the pot,
and it's the first betting round,
before the flop.
We're inclined to grant a pretty quick clock.
If 2 or more players stacks are in
the middle
And another guy is deciding for his entire
life with a rather significant stack.
We're probably not gonna call the clock. Even
if a reasonable time. I a time has
been passed. Because we don't know if it's
been reasonable.
Again,
especially,
500000
dollar and 5000 dollar buying tournament,
We're getting to give the guy and little
time to think.
This particular
villain
correctly labeled. He's not the hero. Please don't
believe that.
Our villain here
is not being reasonable to the rest of
the field and to the table. And he's
the 1 who deserves the warning in the
penalties.
Not the rest of the table.
They weren't targeting him. They were sick of
his act, and I quite agree with them.
Yeah. Yeah. And I was glad to hear
you say you actually said a number of
the things that I was thinking because 1,
I couldn't believe that the floor gave the
warning to
the guy calling the clock.
And the other thought was,
well, this is just further evidence that we
need shock clocks or
clocks,
turn clocks or whatever you wanna call them
because
when you get to the tail end of
a day, you know, and they're just trying
to make the next day then this is
what happens is tons of tanking, and and
you... With a shock clock, you can only
do that for so long. So... Right. So
I was glad to hear you say that
about the clock too.
It it it gets ridiculous when
somebody is tanking just
for the sake of tanking.
And
Again, like you said,
it's
another way to just annoy everybody at a
table.
Right. And there's a lot of players just
specialize in that, which is too bad. But
it's certainly
a component of the game, whether we want
it to be or not. Let's face it.
I mean, it's a game still played amongst
people.
And people will annoy other people. It's just
built into our Dna.
Right.
Yeah. I...
I have to say, Andy, you know... I'm
I think this pretty well clears it up,
but but I think, you know, you had
just been moved to the table, so you
probably weren't as annoyed with this as the
other players.
But, yes, serial tanking like that is un
uncomfortable for. And so
if the if the
tournament director wasn't going to take
heed of that, then they were doing the
only thing that they felt like they could
do.
I signed it likely that the the Td
to that assigned to that section,
did not get a complete picture or all
the information,
only
saw what was at his fingertips, which was
1 guy was consistently calling the clock on
another player. Well, that is a trans.
Unless you have all the other information. Yeah.
The... And that's a fair point.
He obviously didn't get the information from,
from the guy who... Got the clock called
on. And and if he did, he only
got the fact that this guy keeps calling
the clock on me. Didn't hear from all
of the other players or even the dealer
that said, this guy been tanking to the
point where got these players feel the need
to call the clock. So they can actually
get another hand to play. Right. So,
yeah, again, a word to my colleagues of
please do not make decisions based on incomplete
information.
You're you're gonna make it too easy for
people to shoot angles that way. You you
just... You gotta get the whole stored
I know you don't wanna hold up the
tables. You don't wanna hold up the tournament.
You don't wanna
act like the acquisition. You pull out the
fluffy pillows in the country chair. You don't
wanna do that. I know that.
But sometimes
if a guy being targeted,
you gotta get more to the story. I
mean, if the guy is really being target,
you gotta go out of your way to
protect them.
But if he's ins indicating
and prop,
you gotta do something about that too, and
that's much more important. The fact that he
was
taking all of the time that was available
to him before actually making his action though.
I feel like that should have been some
kind of a clue
to the tournament director as well. So
Turn the director only sees what happens when
he's called to the table. He sees the
guy. He doesn't know anything that happened prior
to his appearing at the table and finding
out that a player has had the clock
call in him. 3 consecutive betting rounds. That's
all he knows.
And if he doesn't find out more, that's
always he's gonna act on. And if that's
what he's acting on, obviously, the guy call
in the clock is the 1 doing with
targeting. Right. So, yeah, It's a bad situation
made worse by that decision.
Because now you're giving
the guy who's tanking
licensed to tank even more, and you're
telling the rest of the field
that
their ability to speak up and or do
something about this has been taken away.
So
I guess the the
lessons here are both for the player and
the tournament directors, you you already said to
your colleagues.
Make sure you're getting,
all of the picture.
And
to the players don't assume
that the tournament directors have all of that
information. So, you know, it has to be
a a communication, not just a 1 sided
talk at kind of situation. So That is
Very true. See something, say something.
As a player,
you gotta get up from the table and
talk to the Tv and say, look, listen.
Let me tell you what's happening. If you
wanna talk to the other players. You wanna
find out from the dealer, but I'm telling
you now, this is happening.
I've had to do that. I mean shoot.
Back in April when I was in Reno,
there was AAA fairly green dealer
who
if who just wasn't going through the entire
shuffle proceed. They didn't have shuffle machines on
every single table. There's a pretty large term
in room. And the Reno doesn't have a
whole lot of major tournaments. So they're not
gonna have shuffle machines on every table. They
have to hand shuffle. Right. Major and she
wasn't making it through the shuffle procedures. She
was paying attention. She was keeping the game
moving,
but she wasn't shuffling correctly. And the cards...
We're we're starting to clump in a way
that they were almost coming up the same
order every time.
So I brought it up to the Tv.
She thought I mentioned something else, and it's
like, no.
I think you're not shuffling correctly. And I
noticed that
when she finally got up the tournament regular
up door or took to the side, and
the very next table, she was shuffling correctly.
So again, you gotta speak up.
If it does nothing, it does nothing, but
you're still obligated to...
Protect yourself and the rest of the players.
Right. So,
Andy,
at lesson learned here I hope, and thank
you. For sending that in because it's a
great... It really is a great discussion. That's
a good conversation, then it's a worthwhile top.
Thanks, Andy.
Yeah.
And if anyone has a call the floor
that they would like to know how El
elite would rule, send it to podcast podcasts
at any at magazine dot com.
Elliott, we'll do it again next week.
Looking forward to it. Thanks.
Let's break it down with... Hand of the
week.
We are back with another hand of the
week.
Patrick.
How are you doing, man? We are back.
I'm good, man. How are? I'm good. I'm
good. Hey, Listen. Just
so you know. Boston is...
In the wild right now.
A half a game. And you know who's
right behind us? A half a game ahead
of the Kansas City Royals
So at this point, right now, it looks
like you're spinning this wheel.
Just if you are You are so excited
when I told you that Boston was in
the wild, and then I reminded you that
you were gonna have to speak sleeve. The
looked at hey mobile your face
For everyone out there that's not watching and
the just listening. That's exactly how it played
out because I literally was getting ready to
run into a Boston rant. Of course, this
is not a baseball
podcast. It's a poker podcast. However,
it's all things Boston to start with. So,
Yeah. It just wipes right over the face.
Yep.
Yeah. I forgot all about that, and that's,
you know, you're you're absolutely right. And I
think it's actually more than...
I have... Oh, it is half again. We
yeah we lost last night. Okay. Wow. Well,
yeah.
Anyway, I'll take I'll take us get into
the lawn card to been wheel.
Well, also, I wanna mention
Jackpot Digital, you know, they're... They're our sponsor
of hand of the week.
Our got. And Yeah. Their tables are set
up here. I went by 1 time. They
had just
the table was full.
And then later on at night, L and
I were gonna jump on there and play,
but it's been so busy. So we haven't
had a chance to to do it yet,
but that is
definitely gonna happen. Well, we love hearing and
the fact that they're busy because, you know,
it's easy to play. It's fun to play.
It is. So it's no brainer To get
that 1. But Yeah. You can tell me
what... How it is because I clearly have
not experienced yeah either. So
I'm looking forward to here hearing in the
the the direct
feedback. Yeah. What you get into. How much
of may or may not win?
I am looking forward to it. Well, let's
jump into this. We have a hand of
the week that's sent in by Daryl Thompson.
Alright. And
he says he's playing in a local tournament.
And have about
a hundred thousand ish in chips.
Company says I'm fairly new to this type
of tournament structure
I've played in a friend's tournament game
each week with no auntie
and a fairly quick structure.
This is 30 minute blinds and a big
blind anti,
but I feel like I've adjusted okay.
So... Alright. Yeah. See, Daryl, I I don't...
I I mean, I have actually not
played a tournament an official tournament.
With big and. I'm just more in line
with the quicker style just like he talks
about. I'm not don't know how unfair. We'll
have to find that out. But anyway. Yeah.
I mean you're you're the same. You're you're
used to that home game
where it's really just
no auntie probably Right? Yep. None. Just... Yeah.
Well, in this hand,
we have
the blinds at 816
hundred.
With a 1600
big blind anti.
K.
And it folds to us on the button
and we have the king of Spade
queen Spade.
Very nice. King Spade queen spade on the
button and falls to us. That's
trying to make moves. Right? 100 percent. Yeah.
Just, like start counting chips ships at this
point, see how high we can go making
it's, you know, too too big.
Yeah. I mean, that's that's a great started
position. It's a great start in hands.
I'm going
4500.
I I almost stopped you for a second
to say,
I think this is a position where you're
gonna go higher than me.
And is that an accurate statement still after
I go 4500?
It is.
Why? Why would you not go big? What,
I mean, let... Alright. Well, you tell me
what
where your ads
money wise and then go from there.
So
I'm gonna go 2 and a half times
the big blind. That's my standard. So I'll
go 4000.
So not that much bigger.
Yeah. You're right.
So
Daryl actually goes 4800.
K. So he's in...
Where you were at a little bit bigger
than both.
So it basically
is that 43X?
It's right at 3.
Yeah.
Yeah. And that's fine.
Depending on where we're at in the tournament,
I would go
3X2
and a half x and then just kinda
bringing them down.
As we go through the term.
But so I think 3 x is fine,
it folds to the big blind
who raises to 19000.
Well, that's just aggressive.
Okay. Well,
And assuming then... And then it's seen that
it comes all the way around us.
He's he does say that
the big blind has 3 75,
375000
in their stack.
So they've got us covered by a lot.
They do.
Well, I'm playing.
So the question is, do we have a
pissing contest before the they end or not.
Yeah. I would like to know what the
dynamics were before this. Right? Because if it's
me
and it folds to me, we've talked about
this before. If it folds to me on
the button, I'm raising.
You're raising. Nearly 100 percent at the time.
I'm raising. The the answer to that question
is you're raising. Yeah. As long as there
are chips in front of you to raise,
you're raising. And I think III have started
to adapt that style as well.
If Daryl has raised from this spot before
or if
if the big blind might be thinking,
he's just raising because he's on the button
and
it folded to him,
then
we can
come back over the top,
But
if it's, you know, if if that's not
the case, then
maybe we're looking at him having a real
hand, and we've gotta
maybe just
reel it back. I'm not folding folding out
of the question.
No.
It's too good of a hand to fold,
but
do we call or do we raise is
the question? And I think I I call.
I think I'm here. I I think I'm
leaning toward the call as well.
They could have some small pocket pairs, which
makes sense.
Yeah. For them to do that or even
medium in that medium pocket pair. So, yeah,
I'm just gonna call and see how the
flop looks if we completely whiff on the
flop, then we could
still get away from it. We have plenty
of chips. Yep.
And
that is what Daryl does to. He says,
so
I'm thinking we have 2 overs,
and 2 broadway cards
that are even suited to boot.
But we're going heads up
to the flop with 38800,
and the flop is
the 8 of diamonds
jack of spade
4 of hearts.
Our villain
continues for 18000,
Well, we didn't completely with, but, it was
about as close to or a whip as
possible.
It's exactly what I was just thinking. We
didn't hit a thing, but... We have lots
of backdoor door possibilities. It's 1 of those
close situations.
Yeah. But any of those have to go
runner a runner. III
mean, I think we...
We have 2 over cards to that board.
So for sure.
Yeah. We don't have to run a runner
those.
For sure. You're absolutely right on that. But
if you make a on, you know, small
pocket pair, they've got us.
Right now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean... What... Alright.
So big wine comes in continues with the
betting with what?
18000.
So it raises this 19 for pre flop,
and it comes in with 18000 now. I
don't understand the philosophy. However... I mean, it's
about... It's a little under half pot. Yeah.
It's just a little under half pot.
You don't wanna fold king king Queen spade,
so I'm calling that.
Why? Why don't I wanna full king queen
spade? Because it's king queens Spade? I don't
know.
It's clear.
Made on board 8
jack
4 rings. When you put it that way,
it doesn't look quite as good.
When I'm looking down and I'm sitting at
the table and I'm looking at my cards
and I see king of spade, Queen Spade.
Yeah. You're you're probably right. I I think
I gut was
My gut is fault.
However, I could easily
depending on the moment and the scenario and
other things. I could easily see myself calling
as well.
But my gut sent me here right now
was full. That's why I hesitate. So... Well,
I... I'm
I'm asking the question because... Yeah. It is
a close. It is close. Yeah. I can
see you going either way, But
I'm I'm leaning toward
fold.
If they are ice
If they have
ace king or Ace queen, then
they have our outs
If they have pocket,
nines or sevens or sixes or even fives,
then
we've gotta hit something on the turn to
feel good about continuing.
If you...
If we chase these things too often then
we get ourselves in trouble. Right? Yep. If
it was a cash game, maybe I'd look
at it differently, but playing in a tournament,
and those chips are important.
So
some might say so is cash there, Joe,
We're
The point proven though. I mean, it's... You're
you're absolutely right. I mean, there's a, you
know, there's a finite number.
You, you know, you're you're your done in
that sense. And I think
I I wanna say I feel like I'm
being bullied,
but I think I don't care at the
same point
because
you know, I'm saving 18000 and ships when
I'm only sitting on a hundred start his
hand.
Right. And that's the biggest thing is is...
Like I said, in a tournament, if you
get caught chasing these things too often,
then Yeah. You're out of the tournament. So...
Yeah.
And and I still I still feel like
they
they could definitely have some kind of small
to medium pocket peer.
So
so I'm folding. What did you say you're
doing? Yeah. My gut was always folded, but
it was close. I mean, again, it's it's
more of a.
Motion is not the right word, but the
scenario, you know, a little bit more of
the the background of what the big ones
like, what we've seen so far.
May have played it may have swayed it
the other way, but my gut was always
folded.
Yeah.
But der calls.
Okay.
And
there's 74800
in the pot now. So
the turn
is the king of hearts.
And the villain
bets another 18000.
So wait a minute. We were in for
what 19
plus another
18?
Yeah.
Well, you're in now.
Yeah. That's a terrible bet.
Yeah. It is.
I it... Okay. So there's there's...
2 schools of thought here. Right?
He's either
betting low to keep us in?
Yes. Which it doesn't feel like that to
me.
Or
he's like, I wanna check, but I feel
like I have to keep betting
so he bets small. And that's what it
feels like to me. Yeah. I don't feel
like it's
I don't feel like it's the the the
first 1. I don't think he's, you know,
bedding load to to keep us in to
keep going.
Clearly, we've showed that we're willing to play.
However,
I don't think... I mean, we've got what
sick... He said a hundred ish to start
with Arrowhead did, So we've got, you know,
60 ish to play with,
don't think you come over the top here
unless... I mean, at this point, or are
you
willing to go ahead and shove? Well, that's
what I was gonna say. Is
I'm either done with the hand.
Because I feel like he's trying to draw
us in or
I'm I'm raising. And, I I was thinking
we had, like, 40 ish, but 60 ish
whatever. Either way,
it's
less than a pot sized bet.
Yeah.
So it is.
I'm probably putting it in here.
Okay.
Yeah. I mean, playing this scenario, I I
feel like you're probably right to be honest
with you. I mean, Again, so let's just
say we fold after the flops to be
it. But now we're here,
yeah. I I think, I mean, we've got
kings. We've got top pair.
You know?
There's 2 hearts on the board.
Yeah.
I. It just it just feels like a
scared bet the 18000 this. So
Daryl just calls.
Okay.
And
So there's a hundred and 10800
in the pot,
and the river is the 3 of Spade,
the villain shove.
Call...
Yeah. Yeah I mean you have to at
this point... There's
no choice. You have made it this far.
And I'm gonna take a stab. I I
don't... We don't know. I'm gonna take a
stab and say,
they're sitting on...
3 four's rates, and they take us down.
You got a call. I'm assuming Daryl did.
Yes? Daryl says, I paused for thought.
But call,
because if I don't, I'll be left with
a super short stack, and I have top
pair which could be good.
Villain shows pocket sevens,
and we take down a big pot. Okay.
Let me go on record. And if the
guy that played the big 1 is listening
my apologies. Guy or girl.
What stupid series of bets.
I'm a novice. I'm not good at it
all the time. I'm bad at it a
lot of time. And there's probably times that
someone says the same to me, but
you're sitting on pocket sevens, and that's how
you...
I guess that's why the scared bed is.
I mean, that... There's... After the
After turn, that's the scary bet.
Yeah. And that's 1 thing that I feel
like
people get into this habit sometimes they're feeling
like they have to like, if they check
it's going to
show too much weakness and
they're gonna lose the hand because of it.
But sometimes it's okay to check and call
any action from somebody if you want. But
Apparently, after
daryl called, and they showed the sevens,
the villain immediately loses his mind,
and starts be me for playing the hand
badly.
No way.
Yeah. So
daryl asks the question. Did I really play
it that wrong? The answer is no. You
did not play it that wrong and the
guy brady you is literally he looking at
himself in the mirror going and what idiot.
Why did I play pocket sevens this way?
Hung any vintage to you? Here's the thing.
This is this is the great thing about
Poker. Right? There a million ways to win
or lose a hand.
Sure.
I don't lost a boat little of chips
on that because I would've have played until
the turn and then or
at least of the flop, and then I
would folded it.
As poker players,
it's up to us to adjust to the
style
of play of our opponents.
Hundred percent.
And conversely, it's up to our opponents to
adjust their style of play
to us. So it just always drives me
crazy
when you see somebody be somebody else's play,
shut your mouth, make a mental note,
and
adjust
because
if they played it badly, which I don't
think Daryl, you played it complete... You played
it a little bit different than I would,
but I don't think you played it badly.
But if you think that they played it
badly, adjust, keep your mouth shut and
hope that they make the same mistakes. Badly
Yeah. Absolutely. You don't want them to change
the game. Hey, This is not a base...
This is not a baseball podcast, but from
the Billy Bean movie,
Billy bean, quote, adapter die.
There you go. Yeah.
You know what? Money ball. Adapter die, and
we gotta do that on a regular basis.
We're sitting at different tables. We're playing different
games. We're playing with different opponents 1 more
time. My adapter die. Well, Done Darrell.
That was like, a big pot to to
get going when... I mean, it had to
be somewhat early in the tournament, I guess,
Unless I guy I took down a big
pot early, but
that's that's a hefty stack to go running
through the tournament.
Hopefully did well. Yeah.
Yeah. And just keep in mind. Most of
the time when a person's
be braid the way that you played it.
Usually, it's somebody that thinks that they...
Are better than they really are.
And
so they be rate the other players,
but whatever. Yeah. Exactly. That guy sitting there,
and he's looking you, but in this mod
he's got a mirror going, what did I
just do?
Anyway, Daryl, at Great job. I'm glad you
took that down, and thanks for sending it
in for sure.
If anybody else has a hand of the
week that they would like, Patrick and I
to break down.
Send it to podcast podcasts at any at
magazine dot com.
Patrick.
Let's do this again next week. That sounds
good. You guys have a blast out there,
Daryl, Thanksgiving again. And we'll we'll see you
guys next week.
Thanks stop
toes.
Coke and alcohol are this combination that as
old as
the first sal balloon. I've had a drink
or 2 at the tables. Sometimes it's good
to loosen up a little. Take their off.
Sometimes it's just because I'm out to have
a great time.
But crossing the line in the Tips territory,
can turn your poker into a disaster.
It's always gonna start innocently enough,
but poker games are long,
and that 1 drink can quickly become 2,
then 3,
then you're on a first name basis with
the bartender.
Before you know it, you're well on your
way to slash bill.
And your reactions,
they aren't what they are when it's sober
you.
While we're not playing a game
that's requires panther like reflex
something as simple as stacking chips becomes a
problem.
Your once tidy chips are now the leaning
tower of dirty stacks.
Every time you try to fix it too,
it ends up with this colorful landslide,
and bluff.
I mean, this is an art form people,
add a alcohol and suddenly
your Oscar worthy performance.
It looks more like a bad high school
play.
You either overdo the exaggerated gestures or it's
just too hard to tell a consistent story.
After a few too many drinks,
your memory also turns into a sieve.
You're like, wait.
Who raised?
What's the bet?
Is it my turn?
All of a sudden, now you're slowing the
game down.
And also,
alcohol lowers your inhibition and it heighten your
emotions too.
A bad beat that would normally just elicit
a sigh,
Now has you feeling like you've been mortally
wounded somehow?
Conversely,
winning a small pot might seem like you
just won a bracelet.
Poker is enough of a roller coaster in
and of itself. Don't help make those swings
more dramatic.
Also,
alcohol can make you a little more generous,
which, hey, that can be a good thing
too. But
There is such a thing as too generous.
The rake is hard enough to beat. So
when you start tipping the dealer like you're
handing out candy,
it might be time to cut back.
Look, the dealer thinks you and and
I definitely don't wanna take money out of
a dealer pocket, but
you're dwindling stack
may say otherwise.
And also, I'm not telling you not to
drink. What I'm saying is
When you sit down at the poker table,
moderation is key.
With anything, really, but especially the drinks.
Keep it light,
stay sharp
and save the heavy drinking when you're celebrating
your big win.
Out cheers to that.
That's today's 1 hour,
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