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I'm your host, Joe Scales, and welcome to
the independence Day weekend edition of the podcast.
Obviously,
we have family helping me out and great
job, guys.
They... They're gonna keep me on my toes.
They might be after my job.
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around family and friends as well.
Whether you're firing up the grill,
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or just spending quality time together,
maybe even play in some poker.
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them.
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back around the Poker table.
Independence day weekend? That's right.
Yesterday was fourth in July.
Today's the fifth of July.
And lot of festivities though
still going on because it is the weekend.
Yeah. Can't we wait to take the grandkids
if I works tonight. Cannot wait. Still battling
sinus infection. Moving on.
Yeah. It...
Because of
all of the holiday stuff and whatnot,
we...
Told everybody, we were having Na sean rad
from Rad Poker on, we are.
But with everything going on, we had to
record that a little bit early, I wasn't
able to make it. Yeah.
But,
when we talked to Sean, we talked about
the Andy up. Yeah. Poker games that they're
gonna have on the site. So I'm excited
about that. Me too. It's gonna it's gonna
go for a while and it starts today,
and I'm pumped. Yeah. We talked about in
the interview, we were saying there there's some
still things we need to work out, and
we were gonna have that up soon.
But it... We we got them worked out
quicker than we thought we were going to.
It's gonna start today. Thanks, Sean. So excited.
I wish I'd been able to meet you
in and it just didn't work workout with
their schedules, but
super
super.
Excited about that. Can't wait to you guys
on that platform. Can't wait to play with
you.
And You know I'm gonna be there. I'm
gonna be playing with you guys, so sign
up for sure. Yeah. Absolutely.
We would be remiss not to mention the
W sop this week. Well, of course, the
main event has officially started. And the Quad
are real. Fully...
I have never seen so many quad ever.
I know you would think that they were
a common occurrence. Like, they're just popping up
all over the place and big hands happening
with them. Yeah. So
we we actually watched
the...
Feature table,
and miss Rocky and Hash. Mh. Got into
a hand,
that was real saying. On.
Real. Pocket fours versus pocket sixes.
And then they didn't even bet on the
river. Yeah. That That's in insane. Docking.
Insane. There's no way. There had to be
some money that went into that. You would
think. But, you know, you get in a
feature table you're playing?
In a special spot, and sometimes you're little
nervous and you're not...
Okay.
So, basically, it it was...
Pocket 4 is packet 6,
ace ace 4 on the flop. Miss Rocky
made a full house. Yeah. The 6 comes
on the turn.
To give
Hash
a better full house and a 4 comes
on the river to give Miss rocky quad.
Amazing. And nobody bet it.
I know. It went. Check check on the
turn and the river. Unlike,
unlike,
the gentleman who... I have never met you,
I would love to give you a hell
right now. But unlike the man who put
all of his chips,
in, in the firsthand on day 1? First
hand. Dude, are you here to stay or
play? Like, what
help me understand that?
I mean, basic strategy is if if you
wanna play in the tournament, you don't bet
all of your tips in the first hand.
Yeah. He had a full house also,
but
again, beat by Quad. So
Unreal...
Real.
First firsthand of the tournament.
We also enjoyed
watching Jamie K.
I wanted to be on a rails so
bad. I was so proud of her friends
to bring picture of her dog and put
it up there. Yeah. That was cool. I
thought that was really cool.
We... I was
rooting
loudly
in our in our living room for you,
Jamie. Really hoping to be able to see
you next week.
As well,
congratulations to both.
Sheena O, who took it down. She was
second place last year. She came back with,
first place in mind, and she did it.
Yep. Jamie K said, a hell of a
play for many days. Yeah. She. Well done,
we're still very very proud of you. Yeah.
It was definitely well deserved by Locomotive, but
we were we were pulling for Jamie for
sure. Hundred percent. But, you know, when when
Moto,
finished last year.
Second place,
she said that she didn't feel like she
was aggressive enough. Oh, she turned that around
real quick. She's definitely aggressive. Yeah. She definitely
took that
into account this year.
There's told lady. Yeah. I... Absolutely. And there's
just been there's been so much going on.
If the... At... I can't wait to get
out there and see it. Just to stand
there, just to feel the energy to be
be amongst everyone, we can't wait. If you're
gonna be there the ninth through the nineteenth.
Just let us know. We. We would love
to
say hi, shake your hand,
give you some swag that we're bringing some
little swag, some teeny tiny small swag. This
we're lying, but my guess, I hope that
we get to see if the homie rant.
Well those have been real. Those have been
real. However, very proud of him going for
a run it. 02:30 in the morning.
That's the way to handle
your emotions, when you know you're not gonna
be able to rest, get it out. Okay?
I mean, I think he's been doing this
long enough, and I'm proud of him. He's
doing he's putting forth the physical and the
mental work
to reset himself because he's got...
A grand entrance as he says... I cannot
wait to see this too because he gave
a little... What what he little sneak peek
into
what his grand entrance was gonna. The music's
is great. I just really hope he's not
gonna be, like, a circus leader again or
Mermaid or something. That's just kind of
I'm not... I'm not in all that. But
anyhow. Yeah. He explain he played the...
Everybody was Kung fighting.
So what is he gonna be dressed as
a panda? I mean...
Oh, I didn't even go panda. I was
just, like... Oh, well, 2... Too many years
ago.
Teaching elementary school. Kung is Kung fu panda
to me. But okay. Who knows? What he
always provides some sort of grand entertainment,
but Man is he had some...
Explosive moments as well. When when Alex Fox
knocked them out of the du to 7
single draw,
talk about some
exploit being
thrown around. I mean,
Again, though, props putting in the work to
getting your head straight
go for a run, signed 7000
autograph
on your desk. For relief. Yeah. And
out for a minute. Yeah. It's what you
gotta do.
And
on the flip side of that, you've got
Scott Si, who
has won 3 bracelets
this year. Yeah. Like, that puts him in
pretty elite company. It's his... He's only... He's
got 7 overall Almost said he only has
7. He has 7 overall now,
but 3 of them have come this year.
Which is incredible. And there's only been, like,
5 people that have done that. Yeah. You're
run good is running good. Yeah. It's running
real good.
And then, of course,
the
nominations
have been narrowed down to the top 10,
the final 10 for the Poke hall fame.
Oh. Who is?? So you've got Patrick Antonio.
Josh Aria,
Barney Boat, Miami John Ser.
Ted Forest, Kathy Lie again,
Mike the mouth,
Matt Savage,
Esa Sc,
Bill smith.
I just don't understand why we're only putting
1.
Into the holiday. Well, because that's the prestige.
That's 1. It's 1 a year. There's so
much talent
we can put to it
Also,
why don't we put it into categories?
Like
media or
tournament directors or, you know,
that side of it, and then the player
side of it. That's the prestige. But Matt
Savage, ninth time overall being... Nominated for this.
We're pulling for you big time, buddy. Yeah.
I... He needs to get in. Yep. 100
percent needs to be in.
He's done so much for the game.
Yeah. Even just in the middle of the
w sop leading the Td summit. Yeah.
Which
this was the year. So...
And we'll we'll talk we'll talk more about
that with with Elliott. I'm sure, but a
lot of really good topics this year.
Elliott was there at the summit. Right. And
I'm
admittedly a
stats nerd, so I listened to it.
I've I actually, I haven't made it all
the way through the second day. Yeah. But
we had hoped to have been out there
for it. But... Yeah. Scheduled in allow. So
tuned in virtually, which is always a nice
option. Thanks Yeah. Yeah. It...
Like I said, so many good topics.
And great discussions. I I think that was
my favorite part is just listening to everybody's
different viewpoint on the the stuff, you know?
It's an important event, and it's
the reason that everybody can stay
on the same page. So
thank you, Matt for all the effort you
put into that, you and your team.
I know that it creates continuity
across all rooms.
And events, and so
so important. Yeah.
Yeah. So
what else do we have going on? We
we gotta get
We've gotta get our stuff packed up. We
leave
02:30AM.
Yeah. So we've got a few days, and
then we're on a plane. Yeah. I can't
wait. We're gonna be on the strip. We're
gonna be downtown. We're gonna be back on
the strip. We're gonna be all over the
police.
Really meeting with
a bunch of important people trying to get
some things done there too. So lots of
fun. Yeah.
Let's go hang out with our grandkids.
Yeah. Let's do that. You and I will
sign off, but,
everybody keep listening. Because N nissan Rad from
Rad poker is coming up, and
there's some exciting things to
stay tuned for there
But
yeah.
As always, Joe, it's a pleasure being around
the table with you. Likewise.
N sean Rad is
joining me here.
First of all, welcome.
Thank you, Jo. I appreciate sir.
I have been
I've been obsessed.
With Rad poker. Oh, I love to hear
it.
And we talk about this on
the podcast a lot, my favorite
type of poker is heads up poker. Yeah.
This whole site is heads up poker. Mh.
So I have just... I I go down
rabbit holes. Where I'm just, like, somebody get
on and play. I wanna I wanna play
now.
Yes. Yes.
So
just right out of the box. I want
to... I wanna
say that, but tell us a little bit
about you. Tell us a little bit about
how this whole thing came to be the
concept of the game because it's a it's
it's a faster game too, which I love.
Definitely.
Definitely. So I I grew up playing Poker,
yeah, you, you know, even before college. And
kinda during college, I was...
On the weekends or on Thursday nights really
in particular, I would drive down Fox woods
in play.
And,
you know, I always thought I was good.
It was a lot of fun for me.
I like the competitive, you know, the nature
of poker. I love the fact you can
win money. I like...
Trying to read people and all that all
that fun stuff that comes with Poker.
And
kinda after college, I found myself
not playing as much poker. And it's mainly
because it it's, you know, it's so time
consuming to sit down. Right, out at of
at a table for what you... You really
need just sit down for a few hours.
Right? To really give yourself a chance and
and, I think At sure. Would tell you
that.
And
I also... You know, some of my friends
I played Poker were like, Sean, could you
state me? And I was like, you're not
even good. Like, why would I
Like, what are you talked about?
And and then III kinda sat down and
thought I was, well, there's really no way.
Outside of
understanding how much money somebody's 1. There's no
way to you know, rate a poker player.
You know, you can you can watch and
play, you can see them win big pots,
you can you can see at their lifetime
earnings. But if you're not playing really big
pots or, you know, high stakes.
You're not... You don't have, like, a true
rating in poker. And I also got a
little bit into... I got,
into Chess and Lee chest and
bullet bullet chess. And I really liked bait
system, and I also liked how quick it
was I could play a game and, you
know, all much shorter than playing a poker
map. Right? Or a poker, you know, sitting
out our poker. Sure. So
so I wanted to
kinda combine both of those things. Right? I
liked Heads up Poker, Right just playing with
my friends in college.
And
so I like the heads up aspect, and
I also liked, you know, what what what
Chess brought, which is, like a rating system
to playing.
And so I kinda... I just... I was
like, well, like, what if you could get
a rating in poker, but also
get your poker fix in 5 minutes. Right?
And
5 5 minutes, and you can play 5
games in 25 minutes. Right? And just kinda
go through that indoor swing. And
so I I would just mash them both
together. So I I, you know, I developed
a rating system. It's very similar to.
The chest rating system, we've made some
enhancements based on the fact that Chess is
obviously much different than Poker. And we don't
wanna arm someone that much if you get
a bad beat on the river. Right? And
you had a 95 percent chance of winning.
You just caught... Someone caught that that final...
That my part. Right So So we have
made adjustments to our rating system with poker
in mind, and
we've... We're always kinda tweaking...
And working through, well, like, what's the best
amount of time you should give someone, but
also not make the game too long. Right?
Like, the idea of Rad poker is that
you're able to get that poker fixed really
quickly. So that's what we we focused on,
and we've found that we, you know, we...
I we we feel like we found our
niche. So we're really
kind of excited for what's next. And,
really driving driving users and getting more and
more feedback to continue develop, red poker the
the application itself.
Well, I know you mentioned you really enjoyed
the heads up variant, but it really works
super well
with that.
Time
element in there too. I mean, I know
you said you were looking for that balance.
Yeah. Like, it wouldn't be
long enough.
If you were setting at a full table
of people correct. But it's the perfect amount
of time for just
heads up And so Yeah,
So kudos on that. But
is that kind why you chose the heads
up variant because you could really get it
done quickly or was it more of a
you know I just really like this the
style.
Good question. I
I think it was it was really... It
it was actually it was too prime. I'm
a I'm a fan of Heads up Poker.
Okay? I think it cuts away a lot
of the Bs around not Bs. But, you
know, just other variables. Right? You're just head
to head. I really like that. I grew
up playing tennis.
Just a heads up... You know, heads up
quieter in general. Right? I play tennis in
college.
And so
I I love I love heads up, but
also, it didn't make sense. Right? To build
a full table. Like, everyone's has a full
table. Like, let's do something a little bit
different, and that makes sense in the scope
of
a quick game. Right?
So that's why we kinda went that way.
So tell me a little bit more about
the point system. I know you said it's
it's kinda
based off of the chest.
Point system. Yeah. But but so if I
get really far behind in
in 1 of the matches. Like, you've got
a series going on right now. Mh. And
if I were to fall just so far
down there, how do I get back up
and
be competitive or,
obviously, you don't wanna just quit because... No.
Oh, dang like, I'm not gonna make that
1 exactly. Exactly. So
you know, if you play a lot of
games,
if you've played a lot of games, you
have a lot of games under your belt
in that tournament.
And,
it's going it will be more difficult to
climb the leader board. Right? Even if you're
playing, you know, players that are better than
you and you're winning.
And we did that on purpose. Right? That's
that's kinda how the algorithm works because the
more games you play the less the less
variant in your squirrel. It's always trying to
find.
Eventually, like that, you know, that equilibrium or
that that the correct score for you. So
what we did introduce was the idea of
resetting your rate, Right? So in a contest,
let's say you just get unlocking. Like that
just happens in poker, you get that. Right?
And you'll lose a you know, a handful
of hands
in a row or a handful of games
in a row, I should say.
We allow users to just click a button
on the app,
you can reset your rating, and what that
does is, it re... It it completely resets
the rating algorithm and also resets your win
loss record.
So you're able to... It's almost like a
a re buy back into a tournament. Right?
You're just... You get you get busted, you
felt,
and you say, I'm gonna re buy. That's
alright. I...
And you were able to take another swing
at the tournament. So
that's it. That's that's that's what kind resetting
your rating does. There's a minimum number of
games that you have to play for it.
Does it reset that as well? Yes. So
it does. And we actually recently
introduced a new feature. Because
let's say you're playing you're
10 to
and you're like, man. I am on a
hot streak. I playing really well.
And you're playing
and you match up with someone much worse
than you. K? Let's type it that. Or
much worse and you... As far as a
rating goes. Sure. And
you...
I don't know. Your sister grabs your phone
or your your wife calls and says you
gotta go, and you can't finish the game.
You lose. Okay. Whatever it may be or
you get a bad beat.
Your rating will go down substantially. Right? Or
could go down substantially depending on on who
you're playing What we introduced is the the
idea of being able to delete your last
loss.
And that's just really because
resetting your rating is great, and it's... There's
a use for it,
and deleting your last loss there's a different
use for it just once per tournament, you're
allowed to delete your last loss in the
event that
you real, like, you're playing really well, but
you just have 1 game. You're like, I
gotta get that 1 back.
So Yeah. It removes... It it adjusts your
rating back up to where you were before
that last month.
And show that what we introduce there.
Yeah. That makes sense. Because
just getting rid of
like you said that 1 loss where you
got super unlucky. Yes.
But you don't wanna start all over. You
don't wanna play 15 games again, maybe there's
only an hour left in the tournament Right?
Right. Right. Yep. Yeah. That makes a lot
of sense.
Well, III
know last year, Mh. You had...
A player
that got stake
into the the hustle
livestream stream. So tell me, how a, how
did that come about and then or b,
how did they do? Yeah. Good question. So
we actually had a handful of player state.
Okay. Actually every month, and we would... You'd
play on Rad Poker, You'd win the monthly
contest,
the H nhl contest.
And
we would fly out to La, or just
just south of La. I actually
did a few...
I would I would fly out there myself
for almost all the guys and hand them
the money myself, and then watch. So it
was a lot of fun. Some there were
some some some red eyes now.
It was cliff tall.
Alright.
But we... So we... We yeah. We stayed
to a number of players it's 3000 dollar
stake.
And
it was it was actually really
interesting because
first of all was a blast. For and
like... Went really well and all the polite...
Like, I enjoyed every every second of it.
But I'm remember, the first person we stake,
he got he got felt it pretty quick.
In a couple hours. I when I say,
pretty quick. Like, he get he lost. And
then I wanna say the second person,
which was derby doc.
1 a few thousand dollars. And there was
a handful of people to win money, and
there were some people that lost, but it
was really cool because
people that watch H, which is as we
know, a very high high end production stream,
it's awesome.
And really fun to watch in high stakes.
Right?
Everyone thinks, man, if I was sitting down,
I could play better than Nick Air ball.
Or I could play better.
You know, key whatever eating. Whatever whoever it
is. Right?
See of the ba, k, whoever. Right? And
gave them a chance. Right? Some people are
saying, oh, like, because even if you had
this the, you know, there's a plenty of
people that could pay the 3000 and and
and, you know, be able to sit down,
but you can't because it's such an exclusive
kinda table to set ad. Right? And you're
not able to get those steaks just anywhere.
So Rad poker really gave you the ability
to win a seat and that was really,
really cool. We hope to do that sometime
in the future. Again, right now, we we're
focused on a few different things we're obviously
running.
These kinda weekly and monthly cash cups we
call them, and we're gonna be running a,
weekly cash cup for Annie up Poker as
well. So Right. That will be that will
be awesome.
And I'll tell you, I can tell you
a little bit more about kind of what's
what's on the road roadmap and what's what's
coming down for... Yeah. Absolutely. Go ahead. Yeah.
So
we working on
a guess... Some additional enhancements to the product,
and 1 of them is the ability to
play
head to head matches for money. So the
idea would be a Rad poker matches in
particular. So
2 people will queue up,
Let's say it's a 10 dollar buy in,
winner takes home 20 dollars, just a heads
up match and rad poker. And you can
play over and over again. And
we have actually, in the past, we ran
a beta version of this a little while
back,
and
we didn't have everything figured out as far
as deposits and withdrawals and all that fun
stuff. But now we do. And we have
everything figured out, and we're really excited because
in that beta version, we found a lot
of success.
We found a lot of people being like,
well, this is really cool because I don't
need to go drive to the casino or
play on whatever website and play with a
bunch of people. And it's gonna take me,
you know, hours to try and win win
some money. I can queue up.
You're just good there be a 1 dollar
game. There'll be 5 dollar game, a 20
dollar game, a 50 dollar game, maybe in
a hundred dollar game, and you can play.
And
it's u verse the other person for all
the coins. So it'll be it'll be... I
think it'll be really fun. I'm excited to
roll that out in the upcoming months. Again,
my attention on that 1. You like that
tell you love that?
So
that's... Well, and and 1 of the things
that I have really enjoyed
about Rad poker is...
You've you have these contests where it's not
just...
Oh, you can win. I mean, I can
I can sit down in a in a
tournament, you know, online
and you can play, you know, you can
buy in for for 5 dollars for the
chance to win,
30 or whatever? You know what I mean?
Yeah. And and you've got some payouts that
are well worth your time Yeah. So yeah
that's 1 of the things that I've really
enjoyed
about
playing on the on the site too is
that...
You know, I feel like I'm playing for
a for a price that's worth it.
It sounds crazy to say for me, but
we've given out over 200000 dollars in prize.
Is since Since we started. And we're we're
really excited to, you know, obviously grow the
application. For all users that are coming on
that are listening to this podcast.
Rad poker will be free
to to play completely free to play, and
you'll get a a free 1 month
subscription. So you'll go in you'll you'll subscribe
and you can play in any of the
any of the kind of the bigger tournaments.
Do they need... Do they need a code?
How's is that gonna work? No, open it
up to everyone for this 1.
Nice. But we're really
we're excited about kind of getting more users
on and and getting feedback and and really
given this thing of a a swing.
That is awesome. I I love that too.
And then, of course,
I mean, you and I have been talking
for a while now we're trying to get
this,
any up tournament series
in the works, which we plan to
release and and let everybody play on soon.
Yeah. So we're still got a few details
to work out on that, but but we're
getting there
And so
I would say,
right now, I mean, obviously, especially if you're
gonna give them a month for free. Get
on the go go register,
get on there, use the site, get used
to the site.
That way, when that end up, tournament is
ready. We release that.
I mean, you're ready to go. You used
to it and
just jump in and and play. So
that's that's incredible.
I didn't even know that was coming. So,
definitely. That's that's great. Or surprises over year.
Well,
what else what am I missing? What do
you what else do you want the the
listeners to know about? I want them to
know that we're really committed to listening to
user feedback. We're we're a big believer, and
we've iterate reiterated the app. Location, the game
board, the betting controls, we have an array
of betting controls you can use. Right? And
it's, you know, for heads up Poker, for
fast paced like this.
Everyone kinda wants their own, you know, is
it pre? Is it pre filled, you know,
bets? Is it something, you know, a, a
slider you can toggle,
So we we're constantly...
We wanna, like, constantly be listening to our
users for feedback, and we wanna make the
app. Location as really as good as it
can be. And
that's that's really our commitment. We, you know,
our... Like I said, our next you know,
kind of initiative is is running these heads
up matches for real money where you can
play, and that was just based on user
feedback. We did a beta test.
Our users really liked it. And we wanna
roll that out. So where it'll have contests.
We'll have these heads up matches. We have
a poker training tool on there that we
built, called Puzzle rush,
So it's it's almost like, similar to, I
don't even know how to describe it, but,
you know, we've always I've always thought that,
you know, 1 of... Some of the best
poker players
are able to sit down at a table,
and they can they can look at their
cards, they can look at their board, and
they know
immediately
what the best hand? What's the best hand
that's gonna beat me? Right? Do I have
the nuts or not? Or what could that
person have across the table
that could beat me. And so that is
kinda what Puzzle rush is all about,
and
you should try it out. It's really cool.
I was gonna say, I I've... I meant
to mention that actually, because, I do. Whenever,
on the app, and I know I don't
have time to sit down for a game
yet. Or or whatever then then I do
get in there and and
and run through and seeing just how many
I can get right in the time allotted
it. I I love it it gets
it gets tricky. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And I
think you start out with, like, 3 cards.
Yes. And then it'll... You're... The board will
grow and. So... Just like a whole game.
Right? Sure. It's cool.
Yeah. I love it. And so
yeah Again, everybody check it out,
it... It's apparently it it's gonna be free
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I'll be on there, so I look forward
to,
playing with you guys.
Sean, and I I really appreciate you joining
us.
Thanks so much, for having me. We'll, keep
in touch. I've... You know, we've got a
lot going on.
We'll talk again soon. Awesome. Thanks so much,
joe. Have a great rest of your day.
Yep You too.
Gal one's s from call to floor
with Elliott Sc
Elliott Sc joins us each week to say
how he would rule on situations that come
up in your games.
And that's exactly what he's doing. Again, this
week, Elliott how's it going? Things are going
pretty well. Thanks.
Glad to be back home. How are you
doing today?
I'm doing well. I'm doing well. So you
you just... You said you just got back
home from Vegas. Right? Yes. I was attending
the,
bi annual
tournament Director Association gather,
where we discuss the rules and any updates
that are needed and
try to come to a consensus so that
we can standardize
the rules and and make sure the player
experience is much better. So that they get
the same experience as far as tournaments
anywhere they play.
Were there any that stuck at to you?
I watched it I watched it on Youtube,
they were life's treatment on Youtube. And...
There were a couple of them that stood
out to me, but were there any that
that you thought were incredibly interesting this year.
Well, first and foremost,
there is finally a consensus
on big blind annie. Okay. There was certain...
This has been brought up several times.
It's been recommended that the Annie goes first.
That's the way it was in the rules,
of, the world series,
several other tours across the world
in various locals.
Did not go any first. They made a
big blind first.
There were good reasons for both.
I was an anti first advocate,
not merely because the word anti is Latin
for before.
But because,
when everybody was for themselves,
it was before the action.
When we combine the anti
to 1 person,
we did it out of convenience.
We didn't do it to change the order
of betting and how money is actually
put into the pot and how a pot
is constructed.
It was a shared responsibility that is expressed
through 1 person putting chips in the pot.
It still represents all 8 or 9 players
at the table, putting chips in the pot.
But it's only done by 1 person and
it's done before the pod is created in
the action starts.
It's a shared responsibility.
For 8 hands, your opponents,
are putting your anti in for you.
And on the ninth hand, you're putting in
the anti for everybody else to repay that
obligation. It's very reciprocal. It's fair. And of
course, the number 1 complaint was that players
just weren't paying attention, not getting the anti
up Taylor are constantly harassing players in begging
for the auntie.
There'd be a short occasionally.
There was a lot downside to the individual
Anti.
In live poker.
Obviously, in online poker, there's no need for
a big blind annie, everybody can any from
themselves. It's automatic. Right.
So there was a lot of begging to
make it much more streamline.
And
less labor intensive so that, you know, people
could actually play poker.
All well and good.
Then it breaks down to
how it goes. Any first big blind first.
People with short stacks. We're complaining
now I can't get action on my chips.
Yeah. But everybody else put up there andy.
That's more important. Than your ability to get
action on your short stack.
We don't consider stack size
when the blinds and annie are posted. They
are what they are.
So
it's only fair that you put up your
opponent's auntie,
before you get action on your chips because
they did the same thing for you.
It's kind of the golden rule.
But
there were too many players in too many
years and the world series obviously being the
elephant in the room, and several other tours
of of reputable size.
Just gave in and made a big blind
first,
they were sick of hearing the complaints of
people not getting enough action on it in
the small stacks they had when it was
time to actually pay the andy and the
blind.
And again, I have little sympathy towards short
stacks. If you want a bigger stack, play
faster, play better, don't be short stacked.
All well and good and in tournaments,
probably the best advice you'll ever get.
So
we finally came to a consensus, Those of
us who were anti first advocates have finally
thrown in our lot with the big blind
first advocates, and it now it's a uniform
rule procedure
recommendation big blind is first in big blind
annie situations. I did see where Matt Savage
had posted
about that, he beg regret.
Was
giving way to that as well.
But it is, I guess, majority rules kinda
situation. Well
for Td, it's super majority rules.
We... Yeah. We don't adopt anything
unless it's got an 80 percent
or more
proponents rate.
So if something's 50 50 or 60 40,
we're
we're not going to adopt it. It has
to be consensus
80 percent have to be in favor of
it and the other 20.
Even then, they're still pulled to make sure
they can live with it. And I can
live with it. I I... At the end
of the day, it it's not gonna
truly
affect
of me or any of the game's I
spread,
and I don't think it'll affect too many
other places either.
It does change the nature of the game.
I mean, now the ant is is less
than play on from short stacks.
Which is not entirely fair. Now a short
is getting a hundred percent action on whatever
a few chips he has left,
which is not the way the game is
designed.
If it was individual ant and you were
all in for the amount of the anthony,
you can win the ant. Right. Well, that
same state of being should exist. When 1
person is putting in from the entire table.
Well,
the big boys we're not gonna change, that
includes,
Ep,
or Ap and and and some of the
other big tours.
So
at some point, you got a
go along to get along, and and I'm
fine with it. Yeah. Well,
I I don't wanna get too bogged down
in all of this, but 1 of the
things that I did notice... You know, when
I was watching it was
there was a pretty overwhelming theme, which is
1 that, you comes up on call the
floor quite a bit, which is player responsibility.
Right.
And that seemed to to carry on over,
a lot of the rulings that that were
discussed. Right? So... Boom,
almost every rule exists because
someone's intention was not clear. We just gotta
we gotta solve puzzles. We got un unsigned
not.
And we have to settle disputes.
And most disputes are obviously,
caused by obviously, incomplete information. Right. Well.
The only incomplete information we're generally getting is
the fact that the player
is not letting us in on what they're
trying to do when they are actually trying
to do it.
Right? II1 of the ones that... This exactly
to your point that I enjoyed the discussion
about was
whether the dealers
should be announcing
what the raises are. And
wanna... I don't remember the woman's name that
was talking, but she said that the playground
they actually announced the raises in English and
French.
Yes.
She's a very active participant and is very
passionate about the rules.
And
cares about the game. You she she wants
to make sure that everything square, she wants
to make sure that everything's fair.
Yes. And she
plays a lot in in Quebec province at
the playground a lot. And
Quebec being a very bilingual,
district
jurisdiction,
everything's gotta be done in both languages, french
and English.
And you cannot favor 1 over the other.
And
So, yeah,
every dealer there,
must make every announcement in French and English,
every time they make an announcement.
That was adopted as a rule, and now
I think we're finally gonna cement it,
the announcing of actual bet sizes.
In no limit games,
it can only be better for the game.
When you're playing online, you get all the
numbers in front of you. Yeah. And when
you're playing live,
we need to do that too. I I
fully see the need for it. We don't
need to give players more opportunities to make
errors. We don't need to provide more opportunities
for more disputes to occur. We don't need
more decisions to be made.
Clarity
can only
help the players
and the Td, of course.
Expedition of the game is pretty important, And
this is basic information.
We're not
trying to hide anything.
And
the bet in front of you is still
the bet in front of you. Let's put
a number on it and and move on
and make things
nicer, happier and faster.
Yeah. Yeah. 1 of the comments there was
that... You know, it all it always happens.
Somebody waits 30 seconds staring at a raise
out there. And then they're like, how much
is that? Which as if they were renewed
that information to process anything.
Yeah
If if you were then what were you
doing for 30 seconds. Like... Right.
And that ties into the other thing. And
they didn't adopt widespread yet
because a lot of tournaments don't need it,
but
it was certainly...
Discuss that,
more action clocks
need to be used in more situations.
And I'm fully on board with that. 100
percent.
It's about time. Yeah. I 100 percent. I
mean, now that we've got tablets on every
table,
It's time to push out an action clock
to that table
for tournaments, not just the countdown clock for
clock calls.
Player versus player. And we're talking... It's on
you. Right. You've got this long to decide
turns red. I'll need your cards. It's time
for that to happen
you don't get unlimited time online. You don't
get unlimited time,
even in in tournaments without a clock. It's
time to
cement it. And it needs to be graduated,
I... We don't need the same clock in
every situation,
that's true too. I mean,
if you're using an average 30 second clock.
Well,
I mean, it it can go up or
down
based on the betting round.
That's all re. But right now, let's just
have a clock.
Let's just get it into. Yeah. Let's start
let's start there. That's true.
Well, I've the whole thing is fascinating. I
really enjoyed the talk. If if anybody wants
to look it up. I believe you can
still find it on Youtube, you know, just
type in
Td,
and you should be able to find it.
But we do we do have a call
the floor this week that's
is sent in by Marvin h.
Little Marvin.
And
he is actually a
tournament director. Okay. Fellow colleague. Thanks for calling.
He had this situation that came up in
a multi table tournament and just wanted to
get your feedback on it. So
The breakdown is seat 5 is the small
blind for 2000
seat 6 is the big blind for 4000.
Seat 8 under the gun plus 1. He
silently raises to 10 k. So he toss
out
25K
chips.
It folds around AC3,
who toss out 41K
chips.
Seat 4 tells the player that c 8
raised.
So then seat 3 says, well, then I
wanna go all in.
That's when they call in the the floor,
the dealer admits that they didn't see the
re the raise.
Told player in seat 3 that it was
4 k to call. So the dealer told
him wrong information.
No 1 at the table offers varying opinions
on this. Several players of mark that they
didn't realize that there was a raise either
So in this situation,
they ruled that the player in seat 3
had all of their options available to them
Okay. Based on the fact that the dealer
gave them incorrect information,
and didn't announce race. And he says that
had the dealer...
Not said anything, I believe my call would
have been different.
I probably
would have only let the player continue to
call or fold and sacrifice the 4 k.
Right. What are your thoughts elliot. Well, my
thoughts are along in the same lines.
I'm certainly aware of the obligation of players
to pay attention. I'm certainly
aware of a poker being a visual game
and the players are are playing it, not
the dealer.
They're supposed to know what's happening.
We don't live in a perfect world.
Sometimes you just don't see things.
Obviously, the player didn't wanna be noticed when
he raised and he very quietly put in
his his 25K shifts.
And
on a side note, it it it occurs
to me that
a good many of the people who who
bet silently
and in a way that's not noticeable.
Generally, our chatter boxes and it won't shut
up when it's not their turn.
It's true.
Back to the game.
The rule
is fairly clear.
Td and currently,
rule number 51,
binding declarations slash under calls in turn,
part b,
player under calls by declaring or pushing out
less than the call amount without first declaring
call. An under call is mandatory full call
if in turn, if made in turn, facing
1, any bed heads up, which this was
not. Number 2, the opening bed on any
round multi way, which was was not. This
was a raise of the blinds therefore not
the opening bed.
In other situations,
tournament director's discretion applies.
That's pretty wide open. The opening bed is
the first chip of each betting round and
certainly not a check. Well,
and being blind games, the post big blind
is the pre flop opener. This was
an opener not the blind. This rule governs
when players must make a full call and
win at tournament director's discretion, they may forfeit
the amount of the attendant under call unfold.
So I don't mind the full discretion on
the wage.
Certainly, the dealer needs to be paying attention.
More than the players.
There's more players and 1 dealer. Therefore, the
dealer has...
To pay attention to more people and more
things and should be up on the action.
All bets need to be announced.
All raises need to be announced. And now
their amounts need to be announced.
So again,
the dealer shrinking this responsibility,
makes it harder to play the game in
some spots.
Certainly in in seats.
1 in 9 where it's hard to see
the action across the table. Right? And now
the re emergence of the of the cutout
poker table is coming back.
Which is
e me no end.
Generally, you have 1
long rail, and it's a
both sides are
distinctly parallel and identical.
And now they're ind inventing the dealer so
that they're closer to the action, making it
even harder,
for the first and last seats to to
see each other or other spots of the
table. So again,
don't assume that just because you're sitting at
the table, you can see everything
It's a bad assumption. True. So I don't
mind the full discretion here and all options
being open.
The rule doesn't quite read that way.
The guy's intention was to enter the pot.
So
I'm inclined to let him change his action
because
hey. Situations are different. You've got dead money
and you've got more dead money in the
pot. You might have a hand that that
could have induced the slow play out of
the blinds,
of squeeze.
But with somebody already in for more than
the blinds,
your better option may to move a lot
of chips forward now. So again,
things do become situational.
People strategy change were
and again, I'll leave that to our our
fellow columnist and and comment there's
who actually comment on the play of the
game. But yes. No
yeah. The the same decision isn't made in
every
instance regardless of the.
Information available. So again,
yeah. I'm letting him come in for an
aggressive spot is not the worst thing here.
I would probably give him more latitude based
on the dealer lack of action, based on
the players lack of action other than very
quietly putting in 2 chips.
Little problem.
I think it resolve well, it's fair.
It doesn't sound unfair. And again,
the object of all of these rules of
the Tb of making a decision. The object
is to get to a fair outcome, the
object isn't to beat somebody your overhead over
the head with a rule. Right. So this
seems like a fair outcome, and therefore I'm
in favor of.
Yeah. And I don't see where
there's any chance for for an angle in
this, so I don't see what the harm
is.
You know, he's putting out 4 k.
He's... Like you said, he's obviously wanting to
come into the pot. So his change of
action is
to go all in
because the information changed. So I I just
don't I don't see where that would or
could be an angle of any kind either.
Right. So... Because if he were
if he were merely calling the blinds,
and he wasn't exactly dumping chips to them
he was giving them a chance to see
a achieve flop. But now was come back
and raising them out of the pot. So
he's obviously,
whatever favor he might have shown towards them
has immediately been thrown away.
There's no way you can
say he's pulling an angle on the guy
who put the reason. Right. He didn't pretend
to... To put chips in the pot and
then and try to show a razor. He
put in...
He put in chips, not knowing what was
going on. I'll give him the benefit for
the out and say, he didn't notice the
race
obviously, the dealer didn't help in Mo. Yeah.
I I failed to see the angle here
in any regard towards any of the other
players still in the pot. Yeah.
So,
Marvin, I I think it sounds like you
did everything
pretty spot on like...
Not necessarily
by letter of the law, but
but I think in the fairness of everyone,
So kudos, and
thanks for sending that in. I always enjoy
getting
something from people that are running the tournaments
as well because it's cool to hear the
2 perspectives of people that have done this
for a while. So,
I appreciate that and well If anyone else
has a call the floor that they would
like to see how Elliot would rule,
send it to podcast at any at magazine
dot com.
Elliott. I appreciate you doing this again. Hi.
You're very welcome. Glad to doing. I'm glad
I got back in time to record the
next cast.
Very good. And next week, I'll be doing
it from
somewhere in Vegas. I don't know. I... I'm
still trying to figure out my,
where I'm going to be able to record
while I'm out there. Right. We'll figure out
something, and so we'll do it again next
week. Excellent. We'll forward to.
Let's break it down with hand of the
week.
We are back with another hand of the
week with Patrick.
Hey, man. How's it going? Joe, I gotta
tell you out of all the recordings that
we've done and haynes that we've played. This
is by far the the best move that
I've ever been in because citi
stood at a hundred and 50 yards am
my right is the Atlantic ocean in all
wells.
And So I'm good, man. I love it.
I love it. And weather's been good. Weather
been phenomenal Had 1 little afternoon rain.
Family's good. You got kids run around left
and right, you know, multiple houses full of
people. It's it's been wonderful. Had a little
steak and seafood last night, nice. Had some
crab cakes. Yeah. It was a wife good,
man. How are you? I'm good. I'm good.
But since you're on vacation, I'm gonna make...
I'm gonna? Keep your brain working a little
bit, You know, I gotta
don't do it. On your toes.
Oh,
you know, keep When I asked for pineapple
hands
a few weeks ago,
I got a couple of them,
And we only did 1.
It's time to come back to it.
Kinda do it. You know what's really ironic.
I and for the fans out there that
are actually, watching this. I'm not going to
stand up and show you my swim trucks,
but I have pineapples all over my swim
trucks right now. So they were ready. Really
Is ready. You go. I don't know if
my brain's vacation ready, but works this to
you when we got. So... Alright. We'll play
a pineapple game. Yeah. Well, before we get
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Yeah. I'm I'm gonna sit down at 1
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at 1 of those tables while I'm out
there Absolutely.
But our hand of the week... This is
sent in by Rob Fo, which is actually
1 of our Patreon members. He plays in
our Patreon game each month.
So... Nice.
And he sent this in said, hey, joe.
You asked for it for Patrick.
Maybe joking lee, but here's 1.
Looking forward to this. Alright. What do we
got? Alright. So we're we're actually playing on
global poker.
So online, it's a 6 handed, no limit,
crazy pineapple tournament. Oh, okay. And I also
love that Global Poker offers pineapple tournaments because
there's not a lot of them that do.
So I love that.
This is the first hand of the tournament.
So we're gonna try first thing Alright. We're
gonna try not to bust out.
Yeah. Rob is totally setting to up for
phil. Right.
We start with 3000 chips because this is
the first hand.
We're in the small blind.
And those blinds are
10 and 20,
and everybody starts with a 2 chip, anti,
k.
We only have 5 at our table though.
So even though it's a 6 handed
tournament,
we only have 5 at our table at
the moment,
And under the gun
le in for the 20, as does The
button.
Come.
And we have the Ace spade,
8 of hearts,
5 of spade.
Asus Spade, 8 of cards, 5 of spade
in the small blend,
very first name 2 limp.
Well,
I'm setting myself up for this 1, and
I I can already feel
feel it coming, but I'm setting myself up
for this 1 more time. So Asus spade,
8 of hearts 5 spade in the small
blind, firsthand of the tournament.
I am just calling and going to see
the flop.
I actually thought Right. Bring on. No. No.
I actually thought this was gonna be 1
of those times when you raise and I
I just call.
Oh, okay Well, you know what? I will
say for a split second. I was like,
okay. You, Aces spade got 2 space there.
I'm like, you know, what it... It's it's
something a great hand, but Maybe we'll send
the precedent, you know, early on for the
tournament, and then I go no. That's not
a good idea. Right.
It's not a good idea It's first firsthand.
Let's just Let's just fill this out for
Just. Literally a split second. Yeah. The... I
do like that we have a few ways
that we can win the hand.
Yeah. But it's not a super great hand
and we have the worst position because we're
into small line. So,
I make the call. I don't think we
raised...
If we raised, we'd have to make it,
like, 90 to a hundred. Yeah. And then
maybe we don't even get anybody out. So
then we're just b the pod unnecessarily. Right?
Yep.
So
Yeah. Let's call let's see a flop.
And that is what
Rob does as well.
K. Good man. And also the big blind
checks,
So that's even better. He... We're going we're
going forward to the flop. 4 ways to
the flop with
90 in the pot because
everybody had to put in 2. 0, the
2 80. Yeah. K.
We see a flop of
the queen of clubs,
ace of diamonds,
10 of diamonds.
So we paired up our races.
Yeah. Beads are gone.
Okay.
You said, okay.
Jack.
Yeah. I think we we we have to
check.
I think you have to check. I don't
see if anyway, I don't think you could
you could sit here for a long time,
and I'm sitting here at the beach. I
have nothing bud time.
I I think you could sit here for
a long time and not convinced me of
bedding here. Yeah. I mean,
we hit the ace.
That's it. Yeah. Great. Awesome. Yep. We don't
have diamonds.
Our kickr sucks.
So... Yeah. Not a lot... Sound like a
sad country song. Yeah. You got you got
the aces and then and then your kicker
sucks. And the you the rest of the
hands gonna be terrible. Yep. And sad cut
your son. Yep. And my dog ran away
and... Yep. Pretty much.
Please tell me Rob did the same.
Rob checks as well.
Good, man. As does the big blind?
But the end of the gun
makes it 60. He he bets 60.
So can
over half pot.
I'm assuming the... What does the button do?
Do you say? So the button,
he didn't say. So I'm I'm assuming the
button folds.
If he made a play, then he would
have said something.
So 60 to us,
I mean,
The price of this hand is gonna go
up significantly with just parent Aces and no
kicker.
I know unfold. I was gonna say, I
would. I was gonna be, like, I'm gonna
help you out here because I know how
much you hate to fold on hand of
the week. You wanna play.
But this is garbage.
Yeah. It really is. I think... But I
think a lot of things go into it
too. I mean, I think... Don't get me
wrong. I I feel like if we were,
you know, even 10 minutes into the, you,
you know, the tournament. I mean, I may
play it, you know, but it's just the
first hand. I mean,
if we... So 60 going in, so we're
already at 01:50. If we call it's you
know, it's 02:10, and, you know, someone else
calls 2 70.
Okay. Awesome.
Yeah. See play the next hand. I I
think that's where you go with it. Yeah.
If another diamond comes, then we're in trouble.
Yep.
We're probably out kicked if somebody has an
Ace and
broadway is out there. So somebody can have
the
the nut straight. Yep. So Yep. Save the
money for later
and in the tournament
fold. Yep.
Rob calls.
K as does the big blind. He's feeling
frog 1 hand in. I love it. I
I respect it. I wouldn't do it, but
I respect it.
Yeah. So Rob calls,
the big blind calls, and
now the decision is, what do we get
rid of?
That's pretty easy isn't it? Get rid of
get rid of your other crappy kicker?
Yeah.
If there was any spade gone. Yeah. If
there was any spade on the board, I
could see us keeping the 5, but there's
not.
So The 5... Fives gone, you've done nothing
for me See if 5 was spade. Yeah.
There's no flush. There's no straight. There's nothing.
So throw it away.
So we got Ace Spade, ada hearts, and
we've got queen clubs,
ace diamonds, 10 of diamonds on the board.
But Ram?
Discarded the 8.
Excuse me? He says this was a mistake
in hindsight.
You should keep highest cards if straight or
flesh or not possible,
I don't know why. I don't know why
you would throw the 8 and not... I
mean, there's no possible way of spade, so
that doesn't do you any good.
You can't hit it straight either. You can't
hit a flushing, and you can't hit it
straight. Maybe you did it by accident. Yeah.
That's all there is to say about that.
There's 3 players to the turn
Pot is now
2 70,
and the turn is the jack of clubs.
Well, I can't think of many other worst
cards.
It checks to us, check.
Check.
Yeah. I mean, the only reason, the only
reason... Voluntarily fold? Yeah.
The only reason to put another chip in
this pot.
Would be to try to steal it. Yes.
You're... Okay. Look, you're right. You're absolutely right
on that. However, I am not feeling that
frog on the first hand of tournament.
Exactly.
Yeah.
At this point, any king would be Broadway.
So we could try to represent having a
king.
You absolutely could. But when the guy next
to you
has it.
Yeah.
Again, you're right. But we could. I mean,
that is adds absolutely 1 way to go
about it. And, you know, it's only 4
kings out. So... Yeah. And if anybody has
2 diamonds, they're not folding.
No. You're right.
So
I just...
Yeah. Check and move on. But for the
sake of argument, if I was gonna try
and steal it, I would bet full pot.
I absolutely was thinking 2 02:30 to 02:50
as well.
Even up to the full pot. So...
Rob also checks. So there's still 2 70
in the pot and the river
is the 5 of hearts,
which gives us 2 pair. Wait a minute.
Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
Let's recap real quick. So we had the
Ace spade, the 8 of hearts and the
5 spade to start with.
Our guy
threw away the 8 of hearts.
And and then he river a 5,
to make? Has aces and fives. Yes.
Wow,
what what what are you do with 2
pair?
I don't know.
Which we shouldn't have been here in the
first place.
Alright. So what what do we have going
to the river? I I lost count. Do
you have that count?
You're 2 70 to the turn and then
everyone checks? Everybody check. So it's 2.
2 70. Okay.
I don't know. I mean, you haven't
you haven't represented anything.
From the get go.
I... You try to throw in something now.
I I don't know that anyone's gonna believe
you with a 5 of hearts.
Right?
You got 2 clubs in the board, 2
diamonds on the board. Obviously, you've got the
straight draw for sure.
I think it can you checked. I mean,
it's coming from a place of weakness, but
we are in the weakness, I guess. I
I don't know. I I
And well, let me let me say who
let me just say that who cares
that we have 2 pair?
That board is
awful.
Yes. We... We are beating in a lot
of ways, unfortunately. Now, it's not guaranteed that
we're beating in a lot of ways, but
we are beating in a lot of ways.
Potentially. The only good thing about that board
is that diamonds didn't come.
Correct. So you got somebody sitting on diamonds
for sure.
Yeah. So
going back to the last street, if we
would have
turned our hand into a bluff on the
turn.
We could continue that story and probably take
it down.
That's a good point. But that is absolutely
good point. Mh. But but you had to
make decision
on the turn. Yeah. And we did not.
But that is a good point real quick
for for... You know, further the reference. If
you're gonna wanna go, like, you're you're feeling
it? Then make the move to do it
because this is the perfect way to do
it. At least you have something to represent
a little bit now, and then you could
have told that story for for 2 rounds,
but you know, right now, you're kind of
up, you know, what Creek. Yeah know.
So
yeah. As as played as we played it,
we we have to check.
Yeah. And Rob agrees because he checks as
well.
Come. He says because of board texture and
notes that Villain on the button is a
notorious
sand bag.
I'm
not really sure what that means,
but
I guess, maybe they think that he could
have a king there and
was just waiting for someone to bet. I'm
not really sure.
K.
It ends up checking around.
Wow.
Please tell me that our guy Rob takes
us down, please. I mean, I haven't looked
yet, but
but
If we end up taking this down, we
have to feel very fortunate.
Yeah. Absolutely.
Although I will say even before you look
at it, it
if it checked around, pardon of me like
man.
If you really did go that route, you
could taking this down on a turn.
Yeah. Yeah.
Alright. Anyway, hunt... You can't do that. So
it says,
it ends up checking around and sure enough
sand bag
has
bigger flopped 2 pair. He has ace 10,
but he also... That Stan Bag doesn't know
how to
play Poker very well.
Well, I I'll I'll say this too though.
I don't think a lot of people play
pineapple well.
There's there's a lot of variance of poker
that even though
hold them gets harder and harder,
Yeah there a lot of variants of poker
that
you can make some money at.
If you can find a pineapple game,
I feel like you can make some money
with it.
But... Yeah.
The sand bag,
a had ace 10 and
I guess also had some broadway
draws. Right? So... Yeah.
It goes back to our point because Yeah.
Like you said, if we would have
represented that king, we definitely could've have taken
it down.
There...
Yeah. It's just so hard. I mean,
there's so many
extra... Well, not so many, but there's extra
variables that go into it. You're literally sitting
on Aces
with a terrible kicker.
It it's it's just hard to sit back.
You, you mean, you gotta be because, did
to do it. And if you did. If
you represented the king on the throne, and
then you represented the king...
Yeah. You probably could have. Yeah. And he
actually, I just... He he asked the question.
Do you think if I bluff here, I
would have taken it down?
Yeah. I do. Yeah. I think it would've
have been guts? I think it would have
been a hell of a hand of the
week, but
I thought, you,
you're a better minded and I didn't to
do that.
Especially the first hand of the tournament. Yeah.
I think that's my biggest thing. Is first
hand of the tournament. I'm trying... I'm still
trying to get a feel for
the the table, the players that begin. And
things like that. I
I think yes. It's true. But I think
that
the bigger mistakes
obviously, are even playing the.
Yes. There's
absolutely a good start.
I can see, you know, pre flop, obviously,
we can we can play.
But after the flop, I feel like
That's just a fold. And then, of course,
getting rid of the 8 is puzzling. I
don't understand that, but
it didn't cost us a ton.
No. It didn't. You're absolutely right. And you
got to play. And re... I mean, however
he knew that's...
The...
However, you knew that the button was a
sand bag. I mean that a hundred percent,
you know, solidifies that in whatever terminology, I'm
assuming Mean, sand bag in golf means you
you're...
You you have a really high cabbage you
actually play better. So a sand bag and
poker. I'm... Assuming he's referring to he's actually
a good poker player, but he doesn't, you
know, represent himself to be. So he kinda
lies and wait. So I'm assuming that's what
it is. So assuming, you know, you learned
a little bit. It didn't cost you your
ton? Yeah. I hope I hope you did
well on the rest of turn. Problem. Yeah.
I was gonna say he didn't say how
he did in the rest of the tournament,
so we'll have to ask him in the
next page jung.
That we can do. Which is when. It's
later this month. 2 weeks. Right? Yes. The
20 fifth.
3 weeks. Okay. Hey. You know what's it's
funny, Joe. Not to rub it. I'm gonna
be beat the Beach again for that 9II
wanna play a crickets
sound effect right here.
And all I hear is
the way he's crushing.
July 20 fifth, I'm put it in my
calendar right now. Everyone should as well. It's
easy.
Yeah. It's so much fun. It's it's a
lot of fun, even though you'd forgot about
it last.
I'm going on record, and I am submitting
to a wheel of punishment.
If I am not logged on from Ocean
okinawa Beach North Carolina in 3 weeks.
Alright. Sounds good on the record. And
And before that point, we're gonna do this
next week, and I will be doing it
from a hotel room somewhere in Vegas.
Alright.
You might have it beat next week. I
love it. When you guys set out here
soon the next couple of days?
Our plane leaves on the ninth?
And
we will be there from the ninth to
the nineteenth,
which is why the Patreon game will be
the 20 fifth because it can't be until
we get back.
Fair enough. I can appreciate that. Very nice.
Well, that should be a good time. Hopefully,
any any listener it out there flagging down
and say, hey. That'd be fun.
Yep. So if you're in Vegas come look
me up and,
Patrick,
we'll do it again next week.
That we will.
Poker is this
beautiful chaos of human emotions and
dramatic showdown.
So
without some kind of ground rules,
this chaos could quickly descend into utter mayhem.
And that's why the Td is so important.
The the Td ensures that poker tournaments run
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And honestly, we have matt Savage to think
for that.
So why I ask you is he not
in the poker Hall?
The man has done so much for the
game of coke.
He is to poker what doctor Doo little
is to animals.
He understands the players, the dealers, the staff,
the math of a tournament. I mean, if
you've ever seen the Wp run,
It's like a Symphony.
And without Matt Savage,
fighting to get a clear set of rules,
then Poker would probably be more like a
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And,
Matt is a globe t ambassador for Poker
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the game and professionalism
everywhere,
He's like the Johnny Apple to Poker too.
And
he's always open to answering...
Questions about situations that you ask him on
Twitter.
It's that tireless promotion of the game that
makes him a natural candidate for the hall
fame.
In a world where there are
a lot of inflated egos.
Matt Savage is refreshing down to Earth as
well.
His
genuine kindness and approach ability, make the poker
community feel like...
I don't know, a big family.
Might be a dysfunctional 1, but family nonetheless.
Mass savage is a living legend in the
Poke world and he deserves to be more
than just a 9 time nominee.
So
here's my hope that this is the year.
He ends up where he belongs
en ent forever as a hall fame.
The Poke world needs its savages,
especially one's named Matt.
That's today's 1 out, and that's today's show.
I'll see you next week team,
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