1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,480 This is Carly Beam with Becker Spine and 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,599 Orthopedics podcast. And joining me today is doctor 3 00:00:05,599 --> 00:00:08,900 Bradley Lamb, director of Foot and Ankle Deformity 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,619 Center and Fellowship at the Paley Institute. 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,240 Doctor Lamb, thank you so much for joining 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:14,980 us today. 7 00:00:15,634 --> 00:00:17,875 Thank you for having me. And so before 8 00:00:17,875 --> 00:00:19,634 we dive into our questions, I'd love if 9 00:00:19,634 --> 00:00:21,875 you could just introduce yourself, share more about 10 00:00:21,875 --> 00:00:23,015 your work and background. 11 00:00:25,634 --> 00:00:28,754 I am doctor Bradley Lam. I am a 12 00:00:28,754 --> 00:00:29,654 foot and ankle 13 00:00:30,035 --> 00:00:30,535 surgeon 14 00:00:31,199 --> 00:00:33,859 in West Palm Beach. I am the chief 15 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,000 of foot and ankle surgery at the Saint 16 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,579 Mary's Medical Center in Palm Beach Children's Hospital. 17 00:00:39,439 --> 00:00:41,920 I'm also the director of the Foot and 18 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,640 Ankle Deformity Center and Fellowship at the Paleo 19 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,100 Orthopedic and Spine Institute. 20 00:00:47,314 --> 00:00:50,054 I've been practicing for over twenty five years 21 00:00:50,835 --> 00:00:52,054 and have had 22 00:00:52,835 --> 00:00:55,254 numerous fellowships in club feet, 23 00:00:56,114 --> 00:00:58,695 orthopedic trauma, which is called AO trauma, 24 00:01:00,729 --> 00:01:03,070 limb deformity correction and limb lengthening. 25 00:01:03,530 --> 00:01:04,030 And 26 00:01:04,489 --> 00:01:06,909 I am specifically interested in, 27 00:01:08,250 --> 00:01:10,489 deformity correction when it comes to the foot 28 00:01:10,489 --> 00:01:12,489 and ankle and have had, 29 00:01:13,049 --> 00:01:14,030 vast experience 30 00:01:14,329 --> 00:01:14,829 with, 31 00:01:15,545 --> 00:01:18,844 very complex cases that require unique solutions. 32 00:01:19,625 --> 00:01:21,625 Yeah. And you're kind of hooking off of 33 00:01:21,625 --> 00:01:24,265 that. You recently performed the world's first, 34 00:01:24,665 --> 00:01:26,364 MedCAD three d printed 35 00:01:26,745 --> 00:01:29,885 patient specific cut guide procedure for an ankle 36 00:01:30,420 --> 00:01:32,819 realignment, and it was a very complex case. 37 00:01:32,819 --> 00:01:34,439 And I was wondering if you could share 38 00:01:34,739 --> 00:01:36,900 more about that and what you learned from 39 00:01:36,900 --> 00:01:39,140 it. What are the wins? What will you 40 00:01:39,140 --> 00:01:41,159 build on for future cases, etcetera? 41 00:01:42,445 --> 00:01:45,105 Yeah. So MedCAD offers something, 42 00:01:45,564 --> 00:01:46,784 I think, disruptive 43 00:01:47,085 --> 00:01:48,305 to orthopedics, 44 00:01:48,685 --> 00:01:49,185 meaning 45 00:01:49,885 --> 00:01:50,625 it offers 46 00:01:51,484 --> 00:01:51,984 my 47 00:01:52,445 --> 00:01:55,344 unique patients or unique deformity, 48 00:01:57,859 --> 00:02:00,280 or my patients who have unique deformities, 49 00:02:00,659 --> 00:02:02,599 a solution which is very 50 00:02:02,979 --> 00:02:03,879 patient specific. 51 00:02:04,420 --> 00:02:06,119 This is kind of revolutionary 52 00:02:06,420 --> 00:02:09,239 in orthopedics where it's not deformity 53 00:02:09,620 --> 00:02:10,120 specific, 54 00:02:10,419 --> 00:02:12,280 where it's five degrees of 55 00:02:13,745 --> 00:02:15,125 rotated or angled, 56 00:02:15,824 --> 00:02:16,324 bone, 57 00:02:16,625 --> 00:02:19,344 but it's very patient specific where it's not 58 00:02:19,344 --> 00:02:21,905 only five degrees, but it's got the lumps 59 00:02:21,905 --> 00:02:24,805 and bumps and contour of their specific, 60 00:02:25,824 --> 00:02:26,324 deformity. 61 00:02:26,865 --> 00:02:27,604 And so 62 00:02:28,030 --> 00:02:28,849 what MedCAD 63 00:02:29,150 --> 00:02:29,650 provides 64 00:02:29,949 --> 00:02:32,030 and what I was able to provide provide 65 00:02:32,030 --> 00:02:32,769 my patient 66 00:02:33,069 --> 00:02:33,569 was, 67 00:02:34,110 --> 00:02:37,330 the first ever in the world patient specific, 68 00:02:38,909 --> 00:02:39,159 MedCAD, 69 00:02:41,215 --> 00:02:42,754 medical procedure. So 70 00:02:43,055 --> 00:02:43,795 that includes, 71 00:02:44,495 --> 00:02:45,474 patient specific, 72 00:02:47,215 --> 00:02:47,715 procedure 73 00:02:48,495 --> 00:02:50,655 where we use cut guides to make sure 74 00:02:50,655 --> 00:02:52,754 we cut and realign the bones correctly. 75 00:02:53,455 --> 00:02:54,675 We use specific, 76 00:02:56,500 --> 00:02:57,000 reduction 77 00:02:57,780 --> 00:02:59,319 devices that are, 78 00:03:00,099 --> 00:03:01,719 made for that patient's, 79 00:03:02,659 --> 00:03:03,159 specific, 80 00:03:03,700 --> 00:03:06,900 correction of their malaligned bone or ankle in 81 00:03:06,900 --> 00:03:07,560 this case. 82 00:03:08,235 --> 00:03:10,414 Also, patient specific plates, 83 00:03:11,034 --> 00:03:12,974 to fit the contour of that bone, 84 00:03:13,594 --> 00:03:15,834 and screw sizes that fit the length of 85 00:03:15,834 --> 00:03:17,694 the bone and the exact contour 86 00:03:18,314 --> 00:03:19,055 and can, 87 00:03:19,594 --> 00:03:20,974 be planned so that 88 00:03:21,550 --> 00:03:24,830 it's in the anatomic right position or correct 89 00:03:24,830 --> 00:03:27,069 position so that doesn't give them trouble down 90 00:03:27,069 --> 00:03:28,849 the road and also creates the, 91 00:03:29,389 --> 00:03:31,569 correction and healing that we need. 92 00:03:31,870 --> 00:03:33,870 And this is all based off of a 93 00:03:33,870 --> 00:03:35,729 three d CAT scan that, 94 00:03:36,705 --> 00:03:39,044 we use to plan this whole procedure. 95 00:03:39,584 --> 00:03:41,584 So the beauty is the patient can see 96 00:03:41,584 --> 00:03:43,664 the plan, I can see the plan, I 97 00:03:43,664 --> 00:03:44,805 can adjust it, 98 00:03:45,185 --> 00:03:46,944 what I need to adjust it to make 99 00:03:46,944 --> 00:03:48,060 sure that it is 100 00:03:48,459 --> 00:03:50,459 gonna work exactly how I plan it to 101 00:03:50,459 --> 00:03:52,939 work. And in the OR, it's kind of 102 00:03:52,939 --> 00:03:55,759 becomes just cookie cutter in a sense where, 103 00:03:56,459 --> 00:03:57,360 this is all, 104 00:03:57,819 --> 00:04:01,739 following the steps of this patient specific plan. 105 00:04:01,739 --> 00:04:02,239 So 106 00:04:02,675 --> 00:04:03,735 it's an awesome, 107 00:04:05,155 --> 00:04:06,055 way to, 108 00:04:07,155 --> 00:04:09,794 correct these deformities where we were in the 109 00:04:09,794 --> 00:04:12,055 past just free handing and, 110 00:04:12,594 --> 00:04:15,235 also kinda guessing, hey. Is this five degrees 111 00:04:15,235 --> 00:04:16,055 or is this 112 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:19,339 six degrees of a change? And every millimeter 113 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:22,439 matters, every degree matters, and this provided my 114 00:04:22,439 --> 00:04:23,319 patient a, 115 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,939 superb accurate outcome, which again is gonna, 116 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:29,480 create a great functional outcome in the end 117 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,420 is what we're looking for for these patients. 118 00:04:32,014 --> 00:04:33,935 I can imagine. And can you talk more 119 00:04:33,935 --> 00:04:36,975 about just the actual process of getting these 120 00:04:36,975 --> 00:04:39,134 guys from the image to the product and 121 00:04:39,134 --> 00:04:40,895 then to to OR? How does it fit 122 00:04:40,895 --> 00:04:41,795 into the whole 123 00:04:42,335 --> 00:04:44,355 workflow within this patient episode? 124 00:04:45,319 --> 00:04:46,539 Yeah. So the workflow, 125 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:48,860 with MedCAD is, 126 00:04:49,319 --> 00:04:49,979 is simple. 127 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:50,860 Basically, 128 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,579 with these complex deformities, 129 00:04:53,959 --> 00:04:56,060 patients usually get CAT scans, 130 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:57,660 preoperatively, 131 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:59,899 before the procedure anyway. 132 00:05:00,764 --> 00:05:03,105 So with this CAT scan that's three-dimensional, 133 00:05:03,884 --> 00:05:04,865 we can therefore 134 00:05:05,165 --> 00:05:06,865 then plan the correction, 135 00:05:07,245 --> 00:05:08,705 whether it's a joint fusion, 136 00:05:09,165 --> 00:05:11,345 whether it's a realignment osteotomy, 137 00:05:11,884 --> 00:05:13,185 whether it's a 138 00:05:13,564 --> 00:05:15,024 combination of some 139 00:05:15,589 --> 00:05:17,449 bony work and soft tissue work. 140 00:05:17,910 --> 00:05:20,329 We can basically preplan this out, 141 00:05:20,870 --> 00:05:22,410 with the engineers at MedCAD. 142 00:05:23,350 --> 00:05:26,069 Of course, they have great knowledge and plan 143 00:05:26,069 --> 00:05:28,064 most of the case out and share with 144 00:05:28,064 --> 00:05:29,985 me their results, and then we, 145 00:05:30,544 --> 00:05:32,625 work together to fine tune it to the 146 00:05:32,625 --> 00:05:35,204 patient's specific needs. And then, also, 147 00:05:35,745 --> 00:05:38,224 you can design specific implants, whether it's a 148 00:05:38,224 --> 00:05:39,824 screw, a plate, a pin, as, 149 00:05:40,384 --> 00:05:42,704 a rod. That way, it goes exactly where 150 00:05:42,704 --> 00:05:44,490 you want it for the correction that you 151 00:05:44,490 --> 00:05:47,610 want. And, you know, preoperatively, I can talk 152 00:05:47,610 --> 00:05:49,529 to the patients and show them exactly the 153 00:05:49,529 --> 00:05:50,029 plan, 154 00:05:50,810 --> 00:05:51,310 correction 155 00:05:51,610 --> 00:05:55,389 through these beautiful printouts or on the computer, 156 00:05:55,764 --> 00:05:58,324 and this gives patients confidence in me. It 157 00:05:58,324 --> 00:06:00,324 gives me confidence that I know we can 158 00:06:00,324 --> 00:06:01,305 get this accurately, 159 00:06:01,764 --> 00:06:02,264 corrected. 160 00:06:02,645 --> 00:06:03,785 And then in surgery, 161 00:06:04,324 --> 00:06:06,964 it it makes it real easy that, I 162 00:06:06,964 --> 00:06:08,725 can kind of follow the steps one by 163 00:06:08,725 --> 00:06:09,225 one. 164 00:06:09,699 --> 00:06:10,439 Got it. 165 00:06:10,740 --> 00:06:12,339 And, you know, how do you see this 166 00:06:12,339 --> 00:06:14,660 type of technology, you know, both MedCAD and 167 00:06:14,660 --> 00:06:18,120 just patient specific technology, North Peaks overall, 168 00:06:18,740 --> 00:06:21,000 converging with other big things like robotics, 169 00:06:21,300 --> 00:06:23,319 outpatient care, value based care? 170 00:06:24,425 --> 00:06:28,045 Yeah. So I think this fits nicely into 171 00:06:28,105 --> 00:06:28,605 the, 172 00:06:29,865 --> 00:06:30,685 ever changing, 173 00:06:31,064 --> 00:06:31,564 advancing 174 00:06:32,425 --> 00:06:32,925 technology 175 00:06:33,625 --> 00:06:34,125 that, 176 00:06:34,824 --> 00:06:37,464 surgeons are provided to help their patients. So, 177 00:06:38,889 --> 00:06:40,430 this would, you know, lessen, 178 00:06:42,170 --> 00:06:42,670 implant, 179 00:06:44,170 --> 00:06:45,150 you know, misuse 180 00:06:45,770 --> 00:06:46,990 or lessen the, 181 00:06:47,930 --> 00:06:48,889 chances of, 182 00:06:49,370 --> 00:06:52,490 negative outcomes because having a a better plan 183 00:06:52,490 --> 00:06:54,345 leads to a better result. So, 184 00:06:54,824 --> 00:06:57,064 I think it fits nicely into all this, 185 00:06:57,225 --> 00:07:00,285 it is patient specific and I know patients 186 00:07:00,345 --> 00:07:00,845 demand 187 00:07:02,105 --> 00:07:03,884 the best of the best 188 00:07:04,264 --> 00:07:06,949 health care in The States, and so this 189 00:07:07,410 --> 00:07:07,910 MedCAD, 190 00:07:09,170 --> 00:07:10,230 patient specific 191 00:07:11,650 --> 00:07:12,470 treatment option 192 00:07:13,009 --> 00:07:14,790 is right on that same track. 193 00:07:15,569 --> 00:07:16,069 And 194 00:07:16,370 --> 00:07:18,689 what what's your what are your predictions for 195 00:07:18,689 --> 00:07:21,170 this technology in the next five years? What 196 00:07:21,170 --> 00:07:23,604 do you think, you know, MedCAD two point 197 00:07:23,604 --> 00:07:25,305 o, for instance, would look like? 198 00:07:26,165 --> 00:07:28,324 Yeah. So I think, at the moment, I'm 199 00:07:28,324 --> 00:07:29,305 using these, 200 00:07:30,084 --> 00:07:30,584 specialty, 201 00:07:32,485 --> 00:07:33,225 cut guides, 202 00:07:34,084 --> 00:07:35,544 reduction guides, and implants, 203 00:07:36,084 --> 00:07:38,910 for for complex cases. But I think it's 204 00:07:38,910 --> 00:07:40,769 something that is going to 205 00:07:41,310 --> 00:07:41,810 be, 206 00:07:42,589 --> 00:07:44,610 demanded of even the more simplistic, 207 00:07:46,269 --> 00:07:46,769 everyday, 208 00:07:48,029 --> 00:07:50,509 cases that we do. So that way patients 209 00:07:50,509 --> 00:07:51,009 can 210 00:07:51,470 --> 00:07:51,970 have, 211 00:07:52,324 --> 00:07:54,884 you know, the the best possible outcome and 212 00:07:54,884 --> 00:07:55,785 the best possible, 213 00:07:56,644 --> 00:07:57,144 implants, 214 00:07:57,925 --> 00:07:59,144 and position 215 00:07:59,764 --> 00:08:01,704 of their, you know, foot and ankle, 216 00:08:02,165 --> 00:08:02,665 and, 217 00:08:04,629 --> 00:08:06,709 again, that I feel can lead to the 218 00:08:06,709 --> 00:08:07,029 best, 219 00:08:07,750 --> 00:08:09,290 possible functional outcome. 220 00:08:10,069 --> 00:08:11,829 Got it. And, you know, last question for 221 00:08:11,829 --> 00:08:14,310 you, doctor Lam, is what are three top 222 00:08:14,310 --> 00:08:16,889 health care trends that you're following today? 223 00:08:18,069 --> 00:08:19,209 Yeah. So I think 224 00:08:20,254 --> 00:08:21,634 the ever changing 225 00:08:22,095 --> 00:08:24,274 medical field or ever evolving 226 00:08:24,735 --> 00:08:26,194 medical field is, 227 00:08:26,735 --> 00:08:28,654 you know, hard to keep up with because 228 00:08:28,654 --> 00:08:30,274 there are so many new 229 00:08:30,814 --> 00:08:32,035 advancing technologies. 230 00:08:32,975 --> 00:08:34,434 But I think this, 231 00:08:35,309 --> 00:08:36,290 patient specific, 232 00:08:38,029 --> 00:08:41,009 repair of deformities and malalignments, 233 00:08:42,830 --> 00:08:44,210 is definitely in that 234 00:08:44,670 --> 00:08:45,809 spectrum of 235 00:08:47,164 --> 00:08:49,964 disruptive technology where it's gonna change what we 236 00:08:49,964 --> 00:08:52,064 do, where we can make it specific 237 00:08:52,365 --> 00:08:53,985 each surgery for each patient. 238 00:08:54,524 --> 00:08:55,345 I think also 239 00:08:56,125 --> 00:08:57,485 technology where there's, 240 00:08:58,125 --> 00:09:01,389 you know, all calcium implants which become incorporated 241 00:09:01,610 --> 00:09:03,470 into the body is kind of the next, 242 00:09:04,570 --> 00:09:05,549 the next frontier. 243 00:09:05,850 --> 00:09:06,350 Having, 244 00:09:07,610 --> 00:09:08,269 you know, 245 00:09:08,889 --> 00:09:11,950 surgeries that heal quicker than, say, the average 246 00:09:12,009 --> 00:09:12,990 where we have, 247 00:09:14,264 --> 00:09:16,924 medical technology to help in advance, 248 00:09:17,384 --> 00:09:19,704 healing of the surgeries that we do. I 249 00:09:19,704 --> 00:09:20,524 know we do 250 00:09:20,985 --> 00:09:23,945 more minimally invasive surgeries, which is, along that 251 00:09:23,945 --> 00:09:26,460 same line, but also having technology that will 252 00:09:26,700 --> 00:09:30,460 advance, repair of our our surgeries or, 253 00:09:30,860 --> 00:09:33,259 injury repair so that patients can get back 254 00:09:33,259 --> 00:09:34,879 to their feet, back to their activities, 255 00:09:35,420 --> 00:09:37,980 their sports, and work as as fast as 256 00:09:37,980 --> 00:09:38,480 possible. 257 00:09:39,394 --> 00:09:41,554 Thank you. And a quick follow-up. I'm curious 258 00:09:41,554 --> 00:09:43,254 to just kind of pick your brain on 259 00:09:43,554 --> 00:09:47,335 biologics in orthopedics. I'm wondering what your predictions 260 00:09:47,394 --> 00:09:49,235 are just in the short and long term 261 00:09:49,235 --> 00:09:50,054 in that area. 262 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:52,940 These days, biologics 263 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,620 play a huge role in our surgical 264 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:57,740 procedures, 265 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,200 to try to advance the healing, whether it's, 266 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,019 you know, stem cells, whether it's, bone grafting, 267 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:05,774 whether it's, 268 00:10:06,894 --> 00:10:07,394 PRP, 269 00:10:08,975 --> 00:10:11,955 peptides, you name it. There are many forms 270 00:10:12,014 --> 00:10:12,514 of 271 00:10:13,455 --> 00:10:14,675 advanced healing 272 00:10:15,295 --> 00:10:16,495 techniques that are, 273 00:10:17,055 --> 00:10:19,855 promising to be regenerative, and I think that's 274 00:10:19,855 --> 00:10:20,754 going to be, 275 00:10:21,639 --> 00:10:23,720 now and also in the future, a huge 276 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:24,460 part of 277 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,040 orthopedics and, 278 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:28,679 helping the patients get back to their feet 279 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:29,179 and, 280 00:10:29,799 --> 00:10:31,419 do their activities quicker. 281 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,365 Alright. Well, doctor Lam, thank you so much 282 00:10:34,524 --> 00:10:37,084 for your time hopping on the podcast. It's 283 00:10:37,084 --> 00:10:38,924 been a great conversation, and I look forward 284 00:10:38,924 --> 00:10:40,144 to connecting the future. 285 00:10:40,924 --> 00:10:42,605 Yep. Thank you very much for your time 286 00:10:42,605 --> 00:10:43,825 too. Have a great day.