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To learn 13 00:00:30,649 --> 00:00:32,929 more, visit carecredit.com 14 00:00:32,929 --> 00:00:34,789 forward slash beckerspodcast. 15 00:00:35,570 --> 00:00:37,649 This is Gracelyn Keller with the Becker's Healthcare 16 00:00:37,649 --> 00:00:39,649 Podcast, and we are recording live at the 17 00:00:39,649 --> 00:00:42,309 thirty first annual business and operations of ASCs. 18 00:00:42,755 --> 00:00:45,395 I'm currently joined by Ala Abda Asayed, who 19 00:00:45,395 --> 00:00:47,814 is the medical director at U Wisconsin. 20 00:00:48,434 --> 00:00:50,434 So thank you so much for joining me 21 00:00:50,434 --> 00:00:50,934 today. 22 00:00:51,395 --> 00:00:53,155 Let's have you start off by sharing a 23 00:00:53,155 --> 00:00:54,674 little bit more about yourself and your work 24 00:00:54,674 --> 00:00:56,594 in the ASC space. Oh, thank you for 25 00:00:56,594 --> 00:00:58,899 having me. I'm a pain physician and an 26 00:00:58,899 --> 00:01:00,840 anesthesiologist at University of Wisconsin, 27 00:01:01,539 --> 00:01:03,539 where I work in the inpatient sitting and 28 00:01:03,539 --> 00:01:04,840 an ambulatory sitting, 29 00:01:05,219 --> 00:01:05,719 clinic, 30 00:01:06,500 --> 00:01:09,459 two surgical centers, and the care for patients 31 00:01:09,459 --> 00:01:11,400 both on the hospital grounds and ambulatory, 32 00:01:12,385 --> 00:01:14,884 surgical centers and also at clinic setting. 33 00:01:15,665 --> 00:01:16,165 Wonderful. 34 00:01:16,784 --> 00:01:19,344 And let's start by talking about the ASC 35 00:01:19,344 --> 00:01:21,424 market. Because in The US, it's projected to 36 00:01:21,424 --> 00:01:23,584 reach $60,800,000,000 37 00:01:23,584 --> 00:01:24,704 by 2030, 38 00:01:24,704 --> 00:01:26,704 and it continues to experience strong year over 39 00:01:26,704 --> 00:01:28,879 year growth. So So from your perspective, what 40 00:01:28,879 --> 00:01:30,879 are the most significant trends in market forces 41 00:01:30,879 --> 00:01:33,519 driving this expansion, and how should ASC leaders 42 00:01:33,519 --> 00:01:34,500 be preparing today? 43 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,719 It's a very good question. And I think 44 00:01:36,719 --> 00:01:38,719 the expansion in ASCs, as you mentioned, is 45 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:40,979 inevitable. It's happening, and it's happening fast. 46 00:01:41,475 --> 00:01:43,715 And there are many reasons because it's, it's 47 00:01:43,715 --> 00:01:44,534 owned by, 48 00:01:45,075 --> 00:01:45,895 smaller groups, 49 00:01:46,594 --> 00:01:49,655 typically, so they have more control, more autonomy, 50 00:01:50,355 --> 00:01:53,395 can control the finances, which, always you wanna 51 00:01:53,395 --> 00:01:55,290 think of the ins and outs, which is 52 00:01:55,290 --> 00:01:57,769 different than being in gigantic health care system, 53 00:01:57,769 --> 00:02:00,189 which you probably have less control over those, 54 00:02:01,049 --> 00:02:01,549 finances. 55 00:02:02,810 --> 00:02:04,409 So I think it's a growing model. I 56 00:02:04,409 --> 00:02:06,010 think it's a good model. And I think 57 00:02:06,010 --> 00:02:07,694 when you develop those models, you always look 58 00:02:07,775 --> 00:02:09,534 for efficiencies, which are good for patients as 59 00:02:09,534 --> 00:02:11,694 well. Like, again, quick surgeries in and out, 60 00:02:11,694 --> 00:02:12,814 you try not to keep them in the 61 00:02:12,814 --> 00:02:13,314 hospital, 62 00:02:13,694 --> 00:02:15,775 which is good not only financially, but also 63 00:02:15,775 --> 00:02:18,014 for the health and wellness of patient just 64 00:02:18,014 --> 00:02:19,395 to be home on the same day. 65 00:02:20,189 --> 00:02:22,670 And from AI and robotic surgeries to advanced 66 00:02:22,670 --> 00:02:25,310 EHR systems, technology remains both a major break 67 00:02:25,310 --> 00:02:27,650 factor and a critical driver of ASC operations 68 00:02:27,710 --> 00:02:29,629 at scale. So how do you see Zebra 69 00:02:29,629 --> 00:02:31,950 Tech integration shaping the way ASCs deliver care 70 00:02:31,950 --> 00:02:34,058 and manage their business over the next few 71 00:02:34,058 --> 00:02:35,685 years? That's a very good question. And as 72 00:02:35,685 --> 00:02:37,925 we speak here, in the conference about, 73 00:02:38,405 --> 00:02:39,944 the different AI platforms, 74 00:02:40,645 --> 00:02:42,985 AI will make things very smooth, very quick, 75 00:02:43,764 --> 00:02:44,165 will, 76 00:02:45,365 --> 00:02:47,080 help the shortage of staff that we are 77 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,800 encountering nowadays at all, grounds in the operating 78 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,580 room and outside the operating room, 79 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,120 which will allow for more efficiencies and not 80 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,000 counting on the, I would say, filling the 81 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,620 gaps in in a staff shortage. 82 00:02:59,415 --> 00:03:01,655 So this integration is very helpful, and I 83 00:03:01,655 --> 00:03:03,655 think will lead to more efficient health care 84 00:03:03,655 --> 00:03:05,355 system and ASC operations. 85 00:03:06,455 --> 00:03:09,515 And follow-up to that. Is there any specific 86 00:03:09,655 --> 00:03:11,495 technology or innovation that stands out to you 87 00:03:11,495 --> 00:03:13,675 as especially transformative in the space? 88 00:03:14,270 --> 00:03:15,629 I would say it's hard to pick up 89 00:03:15,629 --> 00:03:17,870 only one, but, the main one that we're 90 00:03:17,870 --> 00:03:19,870 all excited about is use AI, for example, 91 00:03:19,870 --> 00:03:21,949 for appeals because that's a very tedious process, 92 00:03:21,949 --> 00:03:22,689 very lengthy, 93 00:03:23,069 --> 00:03:25,090 and require a lot of labor work. 94 00:03:25,550 --> 00:03:27,969 So AI in in appeals has been very 95 00:03:28,135 --> 00:03:29,895 successful in reversing a lot of those appeals, 96 00:03:29,895 --> 00:03:32,375 which again leads to our patient be able 97 00:03:32,375 --> 00:03:34,855 to get the care they, deserve, but using 98 00:03:34,855 --> 00:03:37,034 it in scribing, use it in encoding. 99 00:03:37,335 --> 00:03:39,094 I think these are very good steps that 100 00:03:39,094 --> 00:03:40,855 not only will make it efficient, but will 101 00:03:40,855 --> 00:03:42,235 make it maybe more accurate, 102 00:03:43,530 --> 00:03:45,770 and then will reduce the back and forth 103 00:03:45,770 --> 00:03:48,909 with insurance and, will reduce errors in coding, 104 00:03:49,450 --> 00:03:51,150 and can provide the more of 105 00:03:51,530 --> 00:03:54,170 a safety quality check for everybody using those 106 00:03:54,170 --> 00:03:54,670 technologies. 107 00:03:55,724 --> 00:03:58,685 And with 60% of health systems considering ASC 108 00:03:58,685 --> 00:04:01,405 joint ventures and many ASCs already partnering with 109 00:04:01,405 --> 00:04:03,885 systems in their communities, what opportunities do you 110 00:04:03,885 --> 00:04:06,444 see for collaboration whether with providers or vendors 111 00:04:06,444 --> 00:04:08,705 to strengthen patient care and operational efficiency? 112 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,520 ASCs became, more of, like, a big ship 113 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:13,659 that require multiple, 114 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,740 like, parties to be involved. So those collaborations 115 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:19,019 are very good because, 116 00:04:20,439 --> 00:04:23,180 you know, the joint ventures allow for 117 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,435 a stronger foundation because everybody will have skin 118 00:04:26,435 --> 00:04:28,214 in the game. Everybody will work on success, 119 00:04:28,754 --> 00:04:31,475 of the ASC rather than just being owned 120 00:04:31,475 --> 00:04:33,814 by individual or a small group. 121 00:04:34,514 --> 00:04:35,254 So those, 122 00:04:36,115 --> 00:04:37,415 I would say, venture, 123 00:04:37,955 --> 00:04:38,455 joints, 124 00:04:39,074 --> 00:04:40,214 will lead to just 125 00:04:41,050 --> 00:04:44,270 better patient care, more patient volumes, stronger financial. 126 00:04:44,889 --> 00:04:46,810 And I'll keep talking about the financial strengths 127 00:04:46,810 --> 00:04:49,069 because it's very important to maintain any enterprise. 128 00:04:50,170 --> 00:04:51,930 So I think this is gonna just make 129 00:04:51,930 --> 00:04:53,689 it a lot stronger and will attract more 130 00:04:53,689 --> 00:04:54,830 patient to this model. 131 00:04:55,574 --> 00:04:57,335 Well, thanks so much for joining me today 132 00:04:57,335 --> 00:04:59,654 on the Becker's Healthcare Podcast a lot. Is 133 00:04:59,654 --> 00:05:01,495 there anything else we didn't touch on or 134 00:05:01,495 --> 00:05:03,275 any final thoughts you'd like to share? 135 00:05:04,134 --> 00:05:06,714 No. Thank you. And, I appreciate the opportunity 136 00:05:06,775 --> 00:05:08,074 always to be here because, 137 00:05:08,694 --> 00:05:09,355 I always 138 00:05:09,689 --> 00:05:11,770 enjoy talking about AI, which is a future 139 00:05:11,770 --> 00:05:12,590 of health care. 140 00:05:12,970 --> 00:05:13,470 And, 141 00:05:14,330 --> 00:05:17,050 seeing always, the this progression in the conference 142 00:05:17,050 --> 00:05:18,970 and the focus in AI is very intriguing. 143 00:05:18,970 --> 00:05:21,129 So thank you. Wonderful. Well, again, we are 144 00:05:21,129 --> 00:05:23,129 recording live at the thirty first annual business 145 00:05:23,129 --> 00:05:24,670 and operations of ASCs. 146 00:05:25,205 --> 00:05:25,945 Thank you.