1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,720 This is Laura Duda with the Becker's Healthcare 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,120 Podcast. I'm thrilled today to be joined by 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,160 Nylene Flores, administrator and chief operating officer at 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,480 Lake Oconee Orthopedics. Nylene, it's a pleasure to 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,794 have you on the podcast today. Hi, Laura. 6 00:00:12,794 --> 00:00:13,535 Thank you. 7 00:00:13,914 --> 00:00:15,594 Now I'm excited for our discussion because I 8 00:00:15,594 --> 00:00:16,954 know there's so much happening in health care 9 00:00:16,954 --> 00:00:19,375 and particularly a lot of transformation in orthopaedics. 10 00:00:19,515 --> 00:00:21,515 And so I'm looking forward to getting a 11 00:00:21,515 --> 00:00:23,114 sense from you of how what you're thinking 12 00:00:23,114 --> 00:00:24,989 about, how you're looking at the future, and 13 00:00:25,070 --> 00:00:26,829 where growth might come from. But before we 14 00:00:26,829 --> 00:00:28,670 dive in, can you introduce yourself and just 15 00:00:28,670 --> 00:00:30,210 toss a little bit more about your background? 16 00:00:30,910 --> 00:00:33,149 Sure. So my name is Nylene Flores, as 17 00:00:33,149 --> 00:00:34,609 you mentioned. I'm currently, 18 00:00:35,710 --> 00:00:37,329 based out of Georgia. 19 00:00:37,655 --> 00:00:39,515 And like you said, I I've been running, 20 00:00:40,054 --> 00:00:41,115 orthopedic practice 21 00:00:41,655 --> 00:00:44,475 now here for the last couple years and 22 00:00:44,935 --> 00:00:45,435 also, 23 00:00:46,054 --> 00:00:49,195 own and operate a company called MedElevate Solutions 24 00:00:49,255 --> 00:00:50,635 where we streamline, 25 00:00:51,255 --> 00:00:52,315 health care processes, 26 00:00:53,789 --> 00:00:55,710 for ASCs and, 27 00:00:56,350 --> 00:00:56,850 practices 28 00:00:57,309 --> 00:00:59,009 throughout The United States. 29 00:00:59,549 --> 00:01:00,829 So I am having, 30 00:01:01,229 --> 00:01:02,289 a lot of fun, 31 00:01:02,989 --> 00:01:06,609 exploring and growing orthopedics in many different areas. 32 00:01:07,155 --> 00:01:09,875 And I have over about eighteen years in 33 00:01:09,875 --> 00:01:10,855 health care overall. 34 00:01:12,034 --> 00:01:13,875 That's amazing to hear. And and thank you 35 00:01:13,875 --> 00:01:15,954 so much for, you know, digging in. I 36 00:01:15,954 --> 00:01:18,594 know it can be a huge responsibility to 37 00:01:18,594 --> 00:01:20,439 run my practice and have none of the 38 00:01:20,439 --> 00:01:23,400 elevator solutions and just continue to work within 39 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,880 the ASC industry. So with that in mind, 40 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,480 what are the top three trends that you're 41 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,799 following right now in health care and ASCs 42 00:01:29,799 --> 00:01:30,299 today? 43 00:01:31,159 --> 00:01:31,659 So 44 00:01:32,354 --> 00:01:34,454 this is gonna be really interesting because 45 00:01:34,754 --> 00:01:35,655 we have 46 00:01:36,114 --> 00:01:38,935 a continued shift really towards paperless 47 00:01:39,314 --> 00:01:39,814 operations, 48 00:01:40,674 --> 00:01:43,334 including a broader implementation of EHRs, 49 00:01:43,954 --> 00:01:45,814 and electronic logging systems 50 00:01:46,130 --> 00:01:47,109 and digital documentation 51 00:01:47,730 --> 00:01:48,950 systems overall. 52 00:01:49,329 --> 00:01:50,870 I think that as our generation, 53 00:01:52,290 --> 00:01:53,109 younger generations 54 00:01:53,810 --> 00:01:55,030 come up in leadership, 55 00:01:55,650 --> 00:01:59,189 this will hopefully in increase in trend. 56 00:02:00,704 --> 00:02:01,204 Also, 57 00:02:01,504 --> 00:02:03,685 I'm watching the decline of independently 58 00:02:04,465 --> 00:02:06,084 owned ASCs, unfortunately. 59 00:02:07,344 --> 00:02:10,164 Consolidation with larger health systems and private equity 60 00:02:10,705 --> 00:02:11,844 is really continuing 61 00:02:12,384 --> 00:02:14,370 as our health care shift, 62 00:02:15,250 --> 00:02:18,069 kinda continues to happen to more employed physicians. 63 00:02:18,930 --> 00:02:19,909 And then also 64 00:02:20,930 --> 00:02:23,989 a heightened focus on quality metrics and transparency, 65 00:02:24,769 --> 00:02:28,150 which is driving accountability and patient centered care. 66 00:02:28,395 --> 00:02:29,134 And, honestly, 67 00:02:29,834 --> 00:02:30,735 with this, 68 00:02:31,034 --> 00:02:32,974 I love the openness 69 00:02:33,435 --> 00:02:34,414 and platforms, 70 00:02:35,275 --> 00:02:38,955 social media and different platforms being utilized to 71 00:02:38,955 --> 00:02:40,094 empower physicians 72 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,240 to basically say what is wrong with the 73 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,219 health care system. 74 00:02:44,759 --> 00:02:45,659 And, hopefully, 75 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:47,900 that will lead to a revolution 76 00:02:48,759 --> 00:02:49,259 in, 77 00:02:49,879 --> 00:02:53,099 in health care overall with, watching reimbursements 78 00:02:53,479 --> 00:02:55,020 and the way that payers 79 00:02:55,879 --> 00:02:58,504 help us continue to be able to treat 80 00:02:58,504 --> 00:03:02,105 patients in the ambulatory space. And so this 81 00:03:02,105 --> 00:03:05,405 is all something really exciting that, I'm watching. 82 00:03:06,504 --> 00:03:09,465 Absolutely. No. That's definitely fascinating. And I think 83 00:03:09,465 --> 00:03:11,710 especially when you look at, the trend, as 84 00:03:11,710 --> 00:03:14,129 you mentioned, the consolidation in the industry, 85 00:03:14,590 --> 00:03:15,889 new, you know, 86 00:03:16,750 --> 00:03:19,710 people coming in, new organizations, private equity, health 87 00:03:19,710 --> 00:03:22,290 systems, trying to figure out their operational strategy. 88 00:03:22,430 --> 00:03:23,324 It seems like, 89 00:03:23,884 --> 00:03:26,625 there's so much possibility of potential in outpatient, 90 00:03:27,164 --> 00:03:29,805 that I can imagine, you know, transformation is 91 00:03:29,805 --> 00:03:32,284 happening quickly. But I'm curious too. You know, 92 00:03:32,284 --> 00:03:35,745 when you look at, physicians and the tide 93 00:03:35,884 --> 00:03:37,560 as it seems to be turning a little 94 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,639 bit here with both physicians as well as 95 00:03:39,639 --> 00:03:40,120 payers, 96 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:41,560 you know, where do you see some of 97 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:42,139 the big 98 00:03:42,439 --> 00:03:44,360 opportunities? What do you see as being the 99 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:45,319 spaces that, 100 00:03:45,719 --> 00:03:47,560 will, you know, change the most over the 101 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:48,460 next few years? 102 00:03:49,814 --> 00:03:50,794 Well, hopefully, 103 00:03:51,415 --> 00:03:54,455 the growth of the ASC industry overall, bringing 104 00:03:54,455 --> 00:03:55,435 patients outpatient. 105 00:03:56,615 --> 00:03:57,675 Most recently, 106 00:03:58,294 --> 00:04:00,775 we're we're also increasing acute, you know, acuity 107 00:04:00,775 --> 00:04:01,435 of cases, 108 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:04,599 and we're seeing higher acuity cases being performed 109 00:04:04,599 --> 00:04:07,560 outpatient. So in general, it much better care 110 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,560 for the patient is being provided outpatient so 111 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,500 that they can recover at home. But 112 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,180 what's really interesting is in my last couple 113 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:16,460 of authorization 114 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:17,500 requests, 115 00:04:18,415 --> 00:04:21,935 where we are here is rural Georgia. So 116 00:04:21,935 --> 00:04:23,855 we don't and we also are subject to 117 00:04:23,855 --> 00:04:26,095 certificate of need law here in Georgia. So 118 00:04:26,095 --> 00:04:28,254 it limits a little bit access to surgery 119 00:04:28,254 --> 00:04:30,115 centers for a small practice, 120 00:04:30,975 --> 00:04:32,435 or an independent physician 121 00:04:33,509 --> 00:04:35,189 that's not part of a large group or 122 00:04:35,189 --> 00:04:37,050 a healthcare system. In any case, 123 00:04:37,589 --> 00:04:39,610 I've seen several authorization 124 00:04:40,230 --> 00:04:41,689 requests come through 125 00:04:42,069 --> 00:04:43,209 specifically asking 126 00:04:43,589 --> 00:04:46,629 why we cannot perform, for example, a knee 127 00:04:46,629 --> 00:04:47,129 scope 128 00:04:47,654 --> 00:04:50,134 at a surgery center. So we've actually had 129 00:04:50,134 --> 00:04:52,154 to justify with payers 130 00:04:53,175 --> 00:04:55,034 as to why we're performing 131 00:04:56,214 --> 00:04:58,154 this type of case in a 132 00:04:58,615 --> 00:05:00,534 in a hospital versus a surgery center. And 133 00:05:00,534 --> 00:05:01,974 and then in our case, it's simple. It's 134 00:05:01,974 --> 00:05:03,230 just lack of access. 135 00:05:04,089 --> 00:05:06,430 But, you know, if the payers are starting 136 00:05:06,490 --> 00:05:09,769 to put this as part of the prior 137 00:05:09,769 --> 00:05:10,269 authorizations, 138 00:05:11,370 --> 00:05:13,870 may not be such a bad thing to 139 00:05:14,170 --> 00:05:14,910 have physicians 140 00:05:15,290 --> 00:05:17,069 move more of their cases 141 00:05:17,705 --> 00:05:19,944 outpatient with the backing now or kind of 142 00:05:19,944 --> 00:05:21,865 a little bit of a push from the 143 00:05:21,865 --> 00:05:24,904 payers to make this happen and ultimately, obviously, 144 00:05:24,904 --> 00:05:26,285 save money for the patients 145 00:05:26,824 --> 00:05:29,944 and look for opportunities for physicians to have, 146 00:05:30,185 --> 00:05:32,525 an other source of of income. 147 00:05:33,310 --> 00:05:35,550 And then just overall increasing the openness and 148 00:05:35,550 --> 00:05:39,389 discussion of hard health care truths from safety 149 00:05:39,389 --> 00:05:41,330 concerns to systemic inefficiencies 150 00:05:42,189 --> 00:05:44,430 that there's, you know, real potential for these 151 00:05:44,430 --> 00:05:44,930 conversations 152 00:05:45,310 --> 00:05:47,704 to lead to true tangible improvements 153 00:05:48,004 --> 00:05:51,225 in care, of quality and equity, 154 00:05:51,604 --> 00:05:52,345 of care. 155 00:05:53,365 --> 00:05:54,964 That's amazing to hear. And I I can 156 00:05:54,964 --> 00:05:57,685 imagine, you know, a really, positive trend as 157 00:05:57,685 --> 00:05:59,544 you're looking at outpatient, looking at, 158 00:05:59,845 --> 00:06:01,625 you know, figuring out ways that 159 00:06:01,949 --> 00:06:04,509 the patients and physicians can have more access 160 00:06:04,509 --> 00:06:05,470 to that setting, 161 00:06:06,189 --> 00:06:07,149 and I know it can make a really 162 00:06:07,149 --> 00:06:09,310 big difference. What are you most excited about 163 00:06:09,310 --> 00:06:09,970 right now? 164 00:06:10,829 --> 00:06:14,930 Most excited is focusing on expanding service lines 165 00:06:15,149 --> 00:06:19,324 to meet growing demand while optimizing operational efficiency 166 00:06:20,185 --> 00:06:20,685 through 167 00:06:21,705 --> 00:06:22,205 implementing 168 00:06:22,824 --> 00:06:25,305 something I believe very deeply in, which is 169 00:06:25,305 --> 00:06:26,685 a complete digital transformation, 170 00:06:27,705 --> 00:06:29,245 moving away from paper, 171 00:06:29,709 --> 00:06:30,930 streamlining compliance, 172 00:06:31,470 --> 00:06:35,009 and improving data accessibility. This is what I, 173 00:06:35,310 --> 00:06:37,709 push to my clients, and I tell them 174 00:06:37,709 --> 00:06:40,209 we've got to grow. We've got to optimize 175 00:06:40,509 --> 00:06:42,050 all of our digital solutions 176 00:06:42,430 --> 00:06:43,490 to work efficiently, 177 00:06:44,754 --> 00:06:45,254 smarter. 178 00:06:45,794 --> 00:06:48,995 And so I'm really excited about that and 179 00:06:48,995 --> 00:06:50,854 particularly growing service lines 180 00:06:51,714 --> 00:06:52,375 to include, 181 00:06:52,834 --> 00:06:54,834 you know, the higher acuity cases in the 182 00:06:54,834 --> 00:06:57,154 outpatient space. So I'm really, really excited about 183 00:06:57,154 --> 00:06:57,654 that. 184 00:06:58,889 --> 00:07:00,329 Absolutely. And I think that's such a great 185 00:07:00,329 --> 00:07:02,089 point you brought up because, you know, having 186 00:07:02,089 --> 00:07:03,149 that digital transformation, 187 00:07:03,529 --> 00:07:04,430 having the data, 188 00:07:04,970 --> 00:07:07,129 makes such a big difference, for a variety 189 00:07:07,129 --> 00:07:08,810 of reasons, whether it's trying to be more 190 00:07:08,810 --> 00:07:09,310 efficient 191 00:07:09,689 --> 00:07:10,189 or, 192 00:07:10,569 --> 00:07:12,589 figuring out how you can, you know, 193 00:07:13,004 --> 00:07:15,485 better have conversation with payers and improve your 194 00:07:15,485 --> 00:07:17,824 values. So, you know, when you look realistically 195 00:07:17,884 --> 00:07:20,365 at surgery centers, there's a variety of types 196 00:07:20,365 --> 00:07:22,625 of centers, large, small, independent. 197 00:07:23,725 --> 00:07:25,725 How possible do you see that digital transformation? 198 00:07:25,725 --> 00:07:27,539 What are some of the roadblocks that you 199 00:07:27,539 --> 00:07:29,699 see surgery centers running up against, and how 200 00:07:29,699 --> 00:07:31,319 are the best navigating them? 201 00:07:32,419 --> 00:07:35,560 Well, roadblocks is people. People are the roadblocks. 202 00:07:36,819 --> 00:07:38,339 You can and then also, it it could 203 00:07:38,339 --> 00:07:40,120 be financial as well. Platforms, 204 00:07:40,819 --> 00:07:41,319 can 205 00:07:42,164 --> 00:07:42,985 be expensive 206 00:07:43,444 --> 00:07:45,144 to begin to implement, 207 00:07:45,524 --> 00:07:47,764 to start out because you have to not 208 00:07:47,764 --> 00:07:50,164 only pay for the software, but you've got 209 00:07:50,164 --> 00:07:51,685 to pay your staff to get trained to 210 00:07:51,685 --> 00:07:54,564 use it until you can actually see the 211 00:07:54,564 --> 00:07:55,625 return on investment 212 00:07:56,485 --> 00:07:58,639 as you actually begin to use the product. 213 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:03,360 So that is the biggest hurdle is 214 00:08:03,660 --> 00:08:05,339 they're just used to doing things their way, 215 00:08:05,339 --> 00:08:06,939 and change is hard. So unless you have 216 00:08:06,939 --> 00:08:08,079 that strong figure 217 00:08:08,379 --> 00:08:09,839 pushing and champion 218 00:08:10,539 --> 00:08:12,714 in your surgery center, And it it doesn't 219 00:08:12,714 --> 00:08:14,555 even have to be the administrator. It doesn't 220 00:08:14,555 --> 00:08:16,074 have to be the clinical leader. It has 221 00:08:16,074 --> 00:08:17,055 to be a champion 222 00:08:17,435 --> 00:08:20,314 in the center that's willing to say, okay. 223 00:08:20,314 --> 00:08:21,935 I'm gonna take the lead in clinical. 224 00:08:22,394 --> 00:08:23,914 I'm gonna take the lead in the business 225 00:08:23,914 --> 00:08:26,360 office to make sure that they are on 226 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:27,899 board with this transformation. 227 00:08:28,919 --> 00:08:30,539 So that is the biggest hurdle. 228 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:32,700 I think that 229 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,220 when you do a cost benefit analysis truly, 230 00:08:36,519 --> 00:08:37,019 honestly, 231 00:08:37,745 --> 00:08:40,004 and just get over that initial hump, 232 00:08:40,384 --> 00:08:43,764 you realize that the benefits way outweigh 233 00:08:44,225 --> 00:08:45,044 any cost. 234 00:08:45,584 --> 00:08:46,084 So 235 00:08:46,544 --> 00:08:48,884 that is the biggest hurdle as people. 236 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:51,919 That makes a lot of sense. And, you 237 00:08:51,919 --> 00:08:54,480 know, I I appreciate that, kind of forward 238 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:54,980 looking 239 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,039 nature of it because, you know, as you're 240 00:08:57,039 --> 00:08:59,519 you're right, it's an investment, but definitely investment 241 00:08:59,519 --> 00:09:01,919 in the future that if done right, will 242 00:09:01,919 --> 00:09:03,679 make a big difference and have that ROI 243 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:04,899 that you're looking for. 244 00:09:05,865 --> 00:09:08,904 When you think about Lake Orochi Orthopedics in 245 00:09:08,904 --> 00:09:10,825 general, how are you looking at growth in 246 00:09:10,825 --> 00:09:12,105 the next twelve months? Can you tell us 247 00:09:12,105 --> 00:09:15,144 a little bit more about, additional procedures and 248 00:09:15,144 --> 00:09:17,485 and services that you'll be bringing in? 249 00:09:17,970 --> 00:09:19,669 Yes. So really excited. 250 00:09:20,289 --> 00:09:21,990 We're looking to grow, 251 00:09:22,610 --> 00:09:25,009 add another practitioner here at our practice. Like 252 00:09:25,009 --> 00:09:26,529 I said, we moved from a very busy 253 00:09:26,529 --> 00:09:27,750 practice in Florida, 254 00:09:28,370 --> 00:09:29,830 kinda opened it here. 255 00:09:30,245 --> 00:09:31,865 But most exciting is, 256 00:09:32,404 --> 00:09:34,745 my main orthopedic surgeon is performing 257 00:09:35,845 --> 00:09:36,424 a thumb 258 00:09:36,804 --> 00:09:38,664 replacement surgery with BioPro. 259 00:09:39,284 --> 00:09:41,865 It is a, full joint replacement 260 00:09:42,690 --> 00:09:45,509 of the CMC joints, and so the patients 261 00:09:46,370 --> 00:09:49,009 are doing amazing. We've even he's the only 262 00:09:49,009 --> 00:09:51,250 practitioner currently doing that in the state of 263 00:09:51,250 --> 00:09:51,750 Georgia. 264 00:09:52,450 --> 00:09:54,769 We, unfortunately, can only perform it at a 265 00:09:54,769 --> 00:09:56,450 hospital because we don't have a surgery center 266 00:09:56,450 --> 00:09:56,804 here. 267 00:09:57,445 --> 00:10:02,164 So really excited to just increase different new 268 00:10:02,164 --> 00:10:03,544 service lines and offer, 269 00:10:04,164 --> 00:10:04,985 new procedures. 270 00:10:05,524 --> 00:10:07,365 Not as early it's not really that new. 271 00:10:07,365 --> 00:10:09,205 It's just that not many doctors are doing 272 00:10:09,205 --> 00:10:12,519 it. But it's a great procedure that's allowing 273 00:10:12,660 --> 00:10:15,779 for patients to regain and not have to 274 00:10:15,779 --> 00:10:16,279 do 275 00:10:17,220 --> 00:10:19,540 a traditional procedure that would actually shorten their 276 00:10:19,540 --> 00:10:22,200 thumb. This allows them to keep their full 277 00:10:22,259 --> 00:10:23,639 thumb and have, 278 00:10:24,019 --> 00:10:26,565 great use. We've even done one on a 279 00:10:26,644 --> 00:10:29,125 person only on one hand. So we we 280 00:10:29,365 --> 00:10:31,465 and now we're we're doing our second 281 00:10:32,004 --> 00:10:34,725 patient who's doing both joints. So we've done 282 00:10:34,725 --> 00:10:35,225 both 283 00:10:35,605 --> 00:10:36,184 both hands. 284 00:10:36,725 --> 00:10:38,804 Recovery has been great. So are we looking 285 00:10:38,804 --> 00:10:40,424 to continue to do 286 00:10:40,879 --> 00:10:41,379 innovative, 287 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:42,980 great procedures 288 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:44,899 to help patients 289 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,700 in in general? So we're excited about that. 290 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,720 Well, that's fascinating to hear. And what a 291 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,279 cool evolution in technology and medicine and just 292 00:10:53,279 --> 00:10:56,004 being able to, perform really needed procedures. 293 00:10:56,464 --> 00:10:58,464 But also I know the complexity, especially of 294 00:10:58,464 --> 00:11:00,944 the hand and and thumb, you know, is 295 00:11:00,944 --> 00:11:01,845 something that, 296 00:11:02,464 --> 00:11:05,213 it takes a real expertise to do. Nylene, 297 00:11:05,213 --> 00:11:06,573 thank you so much for joining us on 298 00:11:06,573 --> 00:11:08,413 the podcast today. This has been a fun 299 00:11:08,413 --> 00:11:10,093 conversation, and I look forward to connecting with 300 00:11:10,093 --> 00:11:11,073 you again soon. 301 00:11:11,533 --> 00:11:13,213 Great. Thank you so much. I appreciate your 302 00:11:13,213 --> 00:11:13,713 time.