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This is Gracelyn Keller with the Becker's Healthcare

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Podcast, and we are recording live the twenty

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second annual Spine Orthopedic and Pain Management Conference.

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I'm currently joined by Jack Dylan, who is

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the CEO at us Anesthesia Practice Consultants.

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Jack, thank you for being here. Let's start

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off by having you share a little bit

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more about yourself, your role, and your organization.

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You got it. Thank you for having me.

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Great to be here. Great conference,

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so far.

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Really great topics and speakers. So,

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my name is Jack Dylan. I'm the chief

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executive officer for anesthesia practice consultants. We're a

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large independent anesthesia group based out of Grand

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Rapids, Michigan. I also serve as the executive

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director for the Association for Independent Medicine.

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We're a large network,

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nationally of independent practices, mostly anesthesia, but crosses

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all subspecialties

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that focuses on independent practice, private practice, and

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and how do we, thrive in this ever

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changing health care environment.

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Wonderful. Well, glad to have you here.

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And let's start with what trends or shifts

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you're seeing right now in the industry that

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you think is most important for, leaders to

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pay attention to. Sure. I I think, you

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know, staffing,

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is probably the biggest shift that we're all

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dealing with over the last couple of years.

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You know, I'll speak, mostly from an anesthesia

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perspective since since that's my wheelhouse. And,

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you know, I think being here at the

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Becker's conference, you you've heard two big topics

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that have come to mind in every session

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I've been in. It's either been AI

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or what's everybody doing about anesthesia.

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And so I think, you know, from a

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shift standpoint, I don't think we've seen the

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the hardest times when it comes to anesthesia

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staffing. I think,

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we're still

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in a spot where it's mainly

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okay, but the burnout is rapidly increasing.

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It might not feel like it for some

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people, but it's it's it's certainly we're seeing

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it across practices. And I think,

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getting more creative,

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in how we're going to manage,

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procedural time and surgical time is gonna be,

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become a necessity

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going forward.

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Absolutely. And you actually segue great into my

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next question, which is about staffing and workforce

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challenges as that continues to be a concern

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across health care sectors.

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So how is your organization navigating the pressures?

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And do you have any specific strategies that

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have worked well here? Yeah. Sure. No. That's

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that's a great question. You know, I think,

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the the big thing that I point out

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with anesthesia staffing is that

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it's not like it was ten or twenty

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years ago. The work has gotten harder. The

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patients have gotten sicker. We hear that constantly.

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But previous concepts of management of block time

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and surgical time,

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that existed ten or twenty years ago are

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are far gone. You know, elective cases are

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going after 05:00, 07:00,

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and it's just getting later days as as

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hospitals and systems,

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you know,

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go after more volume, hire more surgeons,

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switch to RVU based models. These have all,

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impacted,

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anesthesia and staffing and and the workload and

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the burden that that that has taken place.

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So I think when we look at, you

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know, the workforce challenges, we have to really

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be mindful about where we're putting our people

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and giving our people appropriate reprieve. We're watching,

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all staff, you know, across all health care,

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want to work better hours, have better balance

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and autonomy, and a better say, and meanwhile,

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maintaining their compensation.

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And health care wasn't built for that. Right?

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Especially not under Medicaid and Medicare.

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Absolutely.

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And shifting gears a little bit, as outpatient

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care continues to grow, how do you see

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the role of orthopedics and anesthesia evolving within

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the broader healthcare ecosystem?

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Yeah. I mean, we're watching,

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surgical centers and especially orthopedic centers, pop up

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like Starbucks. Right? I mean, they're,

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everybody wants a bite at this apple, and

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and I completely get it. I I understand

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it too. And then just what I said

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before about staffing. Right? Those are very desirable

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places for people to work. Right? More predictable

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hours, healthier patients,

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better payer mix.

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Those things make life a heck of a

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lot easier. Right? When,

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when you're a nurse or an anesthesiologist or

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a surgeon, I we we can't blame people

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for wanting to go after that work. And

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so I think the shift and the growth

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in that has been very attractive for for

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people working in health care. Absolutely.

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And then final question as we're kinda wrapping

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our conversation up. Many organizations are exploring new

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technologies,

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partnerships, and care models to improve efficiency and

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outcomes. So are there any innovations or initiatives

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you found particularly promising?

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I think, you know, everybody's watching AI modeling,

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and I think that's one one way to

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look at it. I think,

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technologies that are spanning specialties,

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you know, are really fascinating to me. You

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know, typically, you'd you'd watch a lot of

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vendors,

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come they'd be anesthesia specific or or surgery

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specific or pain management specific.

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We're watching that crossover a lot more, which

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leads to better workflows and better consistency. So

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watching that growth has been good.

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And so it's, you know, kind of taking

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a large behemoth EMR, but it's still tailoring

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it to the outpatient setting.

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But it still crosses specialties, I think, is,

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is really exciting to watch.

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Absolutely. Well, Jack, thanks so much for being

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here. Is there anything else you'd like to

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share that we didn't touch on today?

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Not really. I think, you know, the next

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three to five years are gonna be

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a big shift for everybody working in health

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care. I think, we're gonna waddle watch a

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lot of national change take place,

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and I think we, we're in this better

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together.

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Well, again, thanks so much for being here,

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on the Becker Healthcare Podcast. We are live

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at the twenty second annual Spine Orthopedic and

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Pain Management Conference.

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Thank you.