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This is Alan Condon with the Becker's Healthcare

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Podcast, and I'm delighted to to be joined

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today by doctor Ravi Bashial, director of outpatient

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hip and knee replacement surgery at Endeavor Health.

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Ravi, a pleasure to have you back on

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the podcast with us today. For any of

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our listeners who might be as as acquainted

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with you or Endeavor Health, can you take

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a moment to give us a little bit

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more insight into your role and your background?

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Absolutely, Alan. A great pleasure to be on

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and thank you

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to the entire Becker's team and Scott Becker

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for hosting us. You guys do a great

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job with disseminating information, which is just really

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critical.

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As you mentioned, my name is Ravi Vishal.

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I'm a hip and knee surgeon,

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with Endeavor Health,

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specializing in minimally invasive hip and knee replacement.

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I run our outpatient program, here at Endeavor

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Health, which is a large multi hospital, multi

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specialty group in the Chicagoland area, performing an

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extremely high volume of total joints as a

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system,

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as a whole.

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Fantastic. Thank you so much for the brief

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intro. So really important topic. A fascinating story

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that I wanted to pick your brains on

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today.

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I know for many years, you've been making

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a mission trip to Nepal with fellow Endeavor

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Health team members.

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Would love to dive a little bit more

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into this story,

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this initiative. First and foremost, could you tell

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us a little bit about what inspired you

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and the Endeavor Health team to partner with

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Operation Walk for these missions in Nepal?

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Yeah. Absolutely.

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It's been this really interesting organic journey,

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for both myself and many of the Endeavor,

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team members, that I travel with.

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Operation Walk Chicago is an organization

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that was started by Victoria Brander and doctor

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to travel to initially sort of envision as

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an opportunity to travel to parts of the

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world that were less served and provide hip

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and knee replacements

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for free to those in need.

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The mission to Nepal began about 15 years

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prior to me joining Endeavor Health,

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and they had just started to go to

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Nepal

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and had made an introduction at the Nepal

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Orthopedic Hospital. I think they'd gone on an

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introductory trip,

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at which point, I became involved with the

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organization

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soon after I completed my training in 2011.

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And it truly was an organic story. As

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it turns out, my father is from Nepal.

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He was born in Nepal in the 1930s

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and immigrated to the United States in the

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60s. And I was born here in the

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U. S. In the late 70s. So, it

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became sort of this serendipitous

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meeting where we had myself, a Nepalese American,

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being able to work

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with the group that traveled to Nepal.

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now 13 to 14 years, this has really

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developed into an amazing

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opportunity for us to interact. And it's changed

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an opportunity to just go and perform hip

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and then leave to really working with the

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hospital and with the doctors in Nepal,

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to train them to be experts in hip

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and knee replacement. And we've now gotten to

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a point where we are still going on

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an annual basis performing these charity hip and

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knee replacements,

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but have really gotten to the stage where

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the doctors there are able to perform these

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procedures for those who can afford it,

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when we are not there. And when we

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are there, we are really focused on the

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charity side

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side of the mission and being able to

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provide these for free to those in need

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who could otherwise

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not afford it.

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I mean, it's such an important mission. And

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no doubt in terms of taking care of

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some of these patients that needed care in

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the orthopedic area, but also training that next

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generation of Nephilim Providers as well.

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just a little bit about the challenges that

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you typically encounter when performing surgeries in a

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setting like La Pal compared to your work

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in the US? And how do you overcome

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these challenges?

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ever played a sport understands,

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what home court advantage is, where you're used

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playing in your own field, you're staying at

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your own house and any time you transport

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that there's challenges.

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there are some significant challenges when we've traveled.

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level of technology that we have here.

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work through logistical issues. But at the end

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of the day, our goal is to provide

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the same high level of care that we

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provide in the United States. So, we don't

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do that by compromising on what we do.

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the infrastructure and support in place in order

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to provide high quality joint replacement for those

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in need. And that includes bringing over

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using state of the art technology in the

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operating room. And through close partnerships with many

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of our corporate donors, we're able to achieve

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that. So, we don't really have to compromise

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care, but instead are able to bring that

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to Nepal. But certainly, there's some things that

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are out of our control. I've been in

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the operating room when the power has gone

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off and the hospital has a generator, but

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minute or 2 while that kicks on. And

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by the light of an iPhone,

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kind of keeping going with the case while

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we're waiting for the lights to come back

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on. So certainly, these places present their own

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unique challenges, but we do our very best

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to overcome those and provide the same high

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level of care that we provide to our

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patients here in the United States.

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like you really happen to be flexible, sometimes

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maybe thinking on the fly while also not

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sacrificing that that high quality care that you're

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no doubt providing to those Napoli patients as

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key components of this mission. It's balancing can

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you talk a little bit about providing balancing

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providing care for patients in need in Nepal,

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while also training that next generation of Nepali

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your prior question about challenges. So

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if the disease that we see in Nepal

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one particular case comes to mind. I literally

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just got back last night, so I hope

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these are very fresh in my mind. But,

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young 24 year old female who had juvenile

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rheumatoid arthritis. And by the time we saw

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her, her left knee was essentially fused and

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her right knee wasn't far behind.

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United States, but in most cases, patients

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they most likely end up with needing some

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sort of intervention later in life. But to

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do a bilateral total knee on a patient

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really see frequently in the United States. And

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even aside from that example, many of the

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deformities that we see are so far advanced

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because they have not been able to access

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care. So, while we are doing the same

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operation as we do here, we're often doing

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them on much more complex patients. And that

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translates into our training as well. And it's

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important to remember that joint replacement doesn't live

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in a vacuum. It's not just the surgeons

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knowing how to do the surgery. It's the

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entire spectrum of care. Anesthesia has to be

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on board with the plan, physical therapy, the

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nursing staff. And we've really been blessed with

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large and diverse group of volunteers that has

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all of these various stakeholders

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in joint arthroplasty. So, we've had leaders from

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therapy, leaders from nursing, leaders from anesthesia join

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best possible outcome. So again, it's not just

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teaching the surgeons, but sort of setting up

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a system

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in the entire hospital. On our first trip,

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unit set up for these patients, and we

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had to work on that with the Nepalese

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and our donors to build that. And the

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you need hardware and software. So, some of

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half is really the software, which is,

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if we want to continue on that analogy,

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downloading the protocols and the knowledge in order

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to be able to use the hardware in

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the appropriate manner. And, again, it extends beyond

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just the surgeons to the therapists, the nurses,

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Yeah. It's fascinating work. And, again, hats off

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to you and your team, also in partnership

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with Operation WA Chicago. Like you said, Endeavour

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for many, many years,

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as have you. Last question on this before

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we wrap up, Ravi. I guess what do

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you hope the younger medical professionals or the

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next generation of surgeons take away from really

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participating in these

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important missions in the past?

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Thanks, Alan. I think that's a really important

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question. I think that when we look at

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the value of doing these trips, the initial

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reaction is to the patients we are helping,

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the initial reaction is to the patients we

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which is absolutely fundamental. We are changing the

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lives of some of these folks. In the

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United States, when we do hip or knee

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replacement,

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we take care of patients in need. My

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patients are grateful, and I'm grateful to have

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the pleasure of taking care of them.

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diseases states that we're seeing, we're changing their

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lifestyle and their quality of life, them being

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able to get back to the things that

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they want to be able to do. In

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Nepal, we are literally changing lives. And I

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always make that

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analogy. In the United States, hip and knee

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replacement changes lifestyles,

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but when we go to Nepal, it changes

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lives. We take people who are unable to

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sort of move forward physically or socially. I'll

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use that 24 year old girl as an

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example again. Her knees being fused prevented her

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from walking normally, a very physical attribute, but

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they also prevented her from being able to

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move forward with her life. We actually took

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care of another 20 something year old last

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year who, because of her, juvenile rheumatoid arthritis,

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wasn't able to go to school, wasn't able

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to do the things that she wanted to

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do within her family, and was socially a

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little bit viewed differently.

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By fixing her knees, we did see her

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back for her 1 year follow-up. She's now

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been able to go to school, move forward,

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and and really has changed her whole life

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aside from just the physical walking side of

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things. So number 1 is our patients. Number

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2, as you've alluded to, is training the

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next generation. Nepal Orthopedic Hospital, where we've been

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going consistently now for about 15 years,

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now does more joint replacements than any other

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single hospital in Nepal. And to us, that's

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really meaningful. These folks are really able

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to provide best in class care for their

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patients. But the side that's often missed that

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I often think is the most important

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is how we change the volunteers that go

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on this trip.

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We often have a meeting with our volunteers,

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before we go and I say to them,

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as sad as it is, if you're born

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the child of a shoeshiner on the streets

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of Kathmandu, Nepal,

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you're most likely going to die a shoeshiner

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on the streets of Kathmandu. There's not a

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lot of room for mobility and for change.

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And for those folks,

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they have a very difficult life. And while

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we in the United States face our own

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set of challenges, I think going on a

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trip like this really gives people perspective. They

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can see, how the other half lives and

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people

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or them not trying hard enough. It's sort

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of the luck of where you're born. And

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those of us that do live in the

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United States of America or other developed nations,

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we really have an advantage just by where

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we were born. And I think with that

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advantage

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comes an obligation to give back. And I

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think that's really what these volunteers learn, and

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when they come back, they become agents for

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change. I think they become better Americans,

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for those that live here in the United

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States. It really allows us to be more

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compassionate,

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more understanding, and more giving back to our

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in terms of other people that are around

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us. And I think it gives really a

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unique perspective.

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And I think that's really one of the

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biggest benefits of a trip like this.

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So Ravi, it sounds like you've trained the

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surgeon, you and your team exceptionally well. Can

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you give us a little bit more insight

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into the barriers that they're looking to overcome,

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in places like Nepal, which are a little

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bit disadvantage

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compared to what we might experience in the

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US?

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Yeah. Thanks, Alan. Yeah, I do think that

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the surgeons, the therapists, and the nurses have

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been trained very well.

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The biggest barrier for marginalized populations is that

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they cannot afford the cost of the implant.

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So there is no nationalized insurance that will

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pay for their implant or their surgery.

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So, that's been the biggest barrier. However,

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really pleased to announce that on this trip,

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we were able to inaugurate,

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the Pritzker, arthroplasty fund through the generosity,

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of Tom and Margo Pritzker, who are Chicago

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based. They provided a significant donation that is

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going to be used to fund the cost

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of the implant,

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for disadvantaged and marginalized folks. So now, we

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the software in place with the surgeons and

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the team at the hospital, but now, we

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have a resource by which to provide the

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hardware, in this case,

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the implants themselves,

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even when we're not there and using donated

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implants,

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again, through this Pritzker arthroplasty fund that was

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generously donated by Tom and Margo Pritzker.

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Got it. And Ravi, such an important mission.

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Thank you so much for taking the time

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out of your busy schedule to educate us

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on this. Is there any last notes or

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final words that you'd like our audience to

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know about this?

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Yeah. You know, I'd really like to thank

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the the groups that helped enable this. This

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includes Operation Walk Chicago, obviously, which is the

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group that I'm a board member on and

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near and dear to my heart that organizes

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this trip.

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Tom and Margo Pritzker, who again provided the

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arthroplasty fund that we're going to use for

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implant use in marginalized

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folks going forward. And I'd also like to

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thank, Endeavor Health for providing a lot of

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the human resource that went on this trip.

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We had numerous members of our Endeavor Health

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team, including 2 of my joint arthroplasty fellows

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that are training with us, anesthesia and other

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subspecialties that helped, really make this mission a

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success. And I think it falls in line

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with the credo of endeavor and what we

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try to do in helping our patients here

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every day. Being able to extend that

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to marginalized populations overseas is very important as

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well. And I'd also like to acknowledge Smith

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and Nephew who provided all of our implants

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at no charge to us, which is the

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single biggest barrier in terms of cost. So,

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Smith and Nephew provided all of the implants.

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Neck Science provided all of the irrigation that

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we use, the same high-tech irrigation that we

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use in the United States. And I'd also

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like to thank Heraeus

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USA, which provided the same high quality palakos

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cement that we use here. So, kind of

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to my earlier point, through these generous donations,

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we were able to use the same standard

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of care equipment that we use here,

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and again, would not have been able to

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do it without these generous donations. We do

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fund a lot of the travel and the

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lodging. But without the donations of this equipment

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and and implant, we would not have been

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able to do it. So really want to

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acknowledge those sponsors as well.

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Absolutely. Thank you so much, Ravi, for taking

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time to speak with us today. Very, very

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important to wrap up. And again, big, big

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thank you to Operation Walk Chicago,

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yourself and the excellent providers and team members

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that you work with at Andeavor Health with

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this mission.

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Thank you, Alan. It's been a great pleasure

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and really the honor of my life to

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be able to do this every year.