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This is Alan Congdon with the Becker's podcast,

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and I am thrilled to be joined today

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by doctor Swanny Jeff, who is the CEO

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at Park Duvall Community Health Center in Louisville,

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Kentucky.

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Doctor Jess,

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25 plus experience, I believe, in health care

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and public health. A real pleasure to have

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you on the podcast with us today. Before

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we dive into some questions, I'd love to

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turn the floor over to you to hear

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a little bit more about your role and

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your background.

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Yes. Well, thank you. Thanks for having me

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first. It is definitely a pleasure to be

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So I have the pleasure of running 3

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health departments in my past being health commissioner.

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running health departments. I've been a leader back

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Kentucky, and then I moved to Simney County,

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Florida, which is in Sanford and then Brookline,

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Massachusetts,

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actually, where I was living when the COVID

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outbreak happened. My background is actually in epidemiology,

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engineering, so quite diverse background.

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off and on since 1995, so this is

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Community Health Center is the oldest

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federal qualified health center actually in the state

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brief intro there. Really, really fascinating background. Like

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Community Health Center. I believe you said the

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Doctor Jet, would love to follow, what are

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that you're really following in the health care

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space today and why?

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emergence of AI.

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of everybody's list,

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emergence of AI.

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there and the potential in terms of dictating

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positions, billing.

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about a AI like you've mentioned in terms

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of patient privacy and, potentially really impacting the

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workforce?

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the potential is and what it can do.

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you move into spaces too fast, you actually

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find out later on

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all the benefits you thought you were gonna

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get us now. See, say for instance,

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in 2,009,

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I introduced a tobacco

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a smoking ban on tobacco.

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the scientific research

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wasn't out. But I

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the data would catch up in terms of

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of being placed into ecigarettes

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and how it's gonna impact people.

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the scientific evidence is starting to come out

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about the harmful chemicals that can be put

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into e cigarettes.

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new toy. It's like buying a brand new

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Corvette.

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once you get to drive it, you might

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end up finding out that there's glitches down

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the road. And if you wait too long

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to diagnose the issues that could occur and

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don't put in the safety measures,

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it would be too late.

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smoking ban you had mentioned, was that in

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the state of Florida? Or

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State of Kentucky. And it was in Bullitt

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County. So in 2010, the the Board of

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we did pass it. We ended up being

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sued by the the county commissioners, and the

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case went all the way to the Kentucky

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Supreme Court. And we actually lost by one

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exciting things in the in the pipeline. You

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talk about obviously, there's a lot of concern

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around AI, but a lot of excitement as

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well, like you'd mentioned. But is there anything

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the future of health care, whether it's on

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the technology side, the hospital side? Anything that

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you're really excited about when you think about

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most of the CEOs are starting to understand

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community benefit

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and social determinants of health.

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social determinants of health over the last 20

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because they understood that that impacts health.

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becoming aware that I can't just focus on

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membership and the patient coming in the door

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where a patient lives

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impacts their health. So if you don't focus

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you don't focus on if they have good

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is gives you ideal on when they might

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die, how can we walk them back to

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course, it's it's COVID and it's something we

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of social determinants of health for such a

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long time. You know, you talked about how

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important education is, housing, transport, food insecurities.

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helped hammer this point home for CEOs? Like

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really taking a more harder look at social

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in terms of health. Is there anything you

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can pinpoint that was, the turning factor here?

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by themselves. It's part of the overall public

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health system.

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to address all the issues that's impacting them.

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with the primary care sector, with the public

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health sector, with public health practitioners bring to

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talk, over the years of running a sick

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care system.

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spending more money on health care

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than other countries that have the same amount

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of work do we do,

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those statistics have become more alarming. So just

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the education of the CEOs

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but also of the c suite

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has actually started to penetrate down to the

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lower levels, and now you start to see

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certain hospital systems make the change.

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Fantastic. So really, really finally penetrated. Like you

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said, the c suite are really coming from

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the top down, trickling down throughout these health

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systems, which is finally no thanks to all

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that, hard work over the years, but great

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to see that that corner finally being turned.

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Doctor Chet, last thing I wanted to ask

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you before I let you go. When we

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think about Parc Duval Community Health Center or

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federally qualified health centers in general, where where

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are the biggest opportunities for growth in your

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eyes over the next 1 to 2 years?

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you know, to me, one of the biggest

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areas to grow, they if they're not focused

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on 3 four to be the pharmacy,

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they should.

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Community health centers are uniquely positioned in communities

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that have issues,

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surrounding food insecurity.

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So, you know, I encourage everybody to

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focus on how you improve

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that in your area such as

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right now, I'm focused on I purchased the

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building,

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and I'm moving toward an indoor farmer's market.

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In inside this farmer's market, we'd not only

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have fresh foods coming from farmers. It will

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be open year round, but I'm also operating

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a food pantry

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and also a training kitchen

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that would help people how

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to cook

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appropriately healthy,

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but also I'm moving to the area. We're

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not just doing it for the community,

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but for my patients, I'm gonna prescribe to

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them foods they can go eat

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at the farmer's market

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at a reduced cost.

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So I'm gonna help reduce their cost by

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20%,

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but, also, I'm gonna be able to provide

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free food.

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And so that's the area that I'm moving

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to because, you know, the the reason why

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community health centers exist

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is because we're taking care of people that

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don't have insurance, but, also, people that do

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have insurance.

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But we know the food is very expensive

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these days, so I can't I cannot very

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well tell a person in my conscious mind

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to eat healthy

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that there's no healthy places for them to

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go, nor do I provide the foods to

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them. So I'm gonna prescribe to my patients

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that have chronic diseases.

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Here's the diet that would help you reduce

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the amount of medication so you don't have

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to use 3 40 b.

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If I can get that

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in at the forefront into their hands, I'm

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hoping that we can have greater success. And

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I'm hoping that

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every FQC, every hospital sector

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start to look at how to improve the

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patient's long term health.

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Mhmm. Yeah. Fascinating to to hear about your

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initiatives and all the great work you're doing

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in Kentucky.

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Doctor Jazz, a real pleasure to have you

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on the podcast with us today. Thank you

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so much for taking the time out of

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your schedule. I look forward to visiting with

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you again down the line.

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Thank you. I definitely appreciate it. It's been

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a pleasure.