1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,220 Imagine this. You're at the Hyatt Regency Chicago 2 00:00:03,439 --> 00:00:05,859 surrounded by the top minds in the ambulatory 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:07,540 surgery center industry. 4 00:00:07,919 --> 00:00:10,960 Welcome to the Becker's 30th annual meeting, the 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,259 business and operations of ASCs from October 30th 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:15,705 to November 2nd 7 00:00:16,324 --> 00:00:19,285 2024. Picture the excitement as you collect business 8 00:00:19,285 --> 00:00:22,184 cards from over a 1000 executive level attendees 9 00:00:22,404 --> 00:00:23,945 forging priceless connections. 10 00:00:24,404 --> 00:00:27,064 Feel the buzz of conversations as you participate 11 00:00:27,204 --> 00:00:29,969 in more than 60 sessions led by over 12 00:00:30,849 --> 00:00:33,030 225 elite ASC speakers. 13 00:00:33,649 --> 00:00:37,090 Envision yourself gaining actionable insights on topics like 14 00:00:37,090 --> 00:00:38,390 private equity strategies, 15 00:00:38,929 --> 00:00:43,030 ASC business growth, and innovations in spine, orthopedics, 16 00:00:43,635 --> 00:00:45,734 GI, ophthalmology, and cardiology. 17 00:00:46,354 --> 00:00:49,954 Now imagine yourself listening to inspiring keynotes from 18 00:00:49,954 --> 00:00:53,094 Hall of Fame boxing world champion, Lila Ali, 19 00:00:53,155 --> 00:00:56,879 and professional basketball player, Caitlin Clark. Their stories 20 00:00:56,879 --> 00:00:59,199 will motivate you to take your business to 21 00:00:59,199 --> 00:01:01,600 new heights. You'll leave with a wealth of 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,920 knowledge and a network of connections to help 23 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,719 lead your ASC into the next year. Don't 24 00:01:06,719 --> 00:01:09,619 miss out. Get registered today. Visit beckershospitalreviewdot 25 00:01:10,834 --> 00:01:12,754 com and click on the events page to 26 00:01:12,754 --> 00:01:15,094 find the conference website. That's the beckershospitalreview.com 27 00:01:17,075 --> 00:01:19,094 events page. See you in Chicago. 28 00:01:20,435 --> 00:01:23,314 This is Scott Becker with the Becker's HealthCare 29 00:01:23,314 --> 00:01:23,814 podcast. 30 00:01:24,140 --> 00:01:25,979 I am thrilled today to be joined by 31 00:01:25,979 --> 00:01:28,780 the real Ben Stein. We're joined today by 32 00:01:28,780 --> 00:01:30,640 Ben Stein, who's in the health care world. 33 00:01:30,939 --> 00:01:32,620 Ben, I'm gonna ask you to tell us 34 00:01:32,620 --> 00:01:35,659 about yourself, tell us about Capital Surgical, and 35 00:01:35,659 --> 00:01:37,685 a lot more. Take and then we'll talk 36 00:01:37,685 --> 00:01:39,524 about trends, where you're most focused, and a 37 00:01:39,524 --> 00:01:40,185 lot more. 38 00:01:40,724 --> 00:01:42,104 Tell us about yourself. 39 00:01:43,524 --> 00:01:45,604 I appreciate that, Scott. Thanks for having me, 40 00:01:45,924 --> 00:01:46,825 having me on. 41 00:01:47,685 --> 00:01:49,524 The you know, a little bit about myself. 42 00:01:49,524 --> 00:01:51,944 So I am a, orthopedic surgeon, 43 00:01:53,049 --> 00:01:56,189 practice in the Washington DC Metropolitan area, 44 00:01:57,290 --> 00:02:00,250 and, I've been in private practice independent in 45 00:02:00,250 --> 00:02:00,909 this region, 46 00:02:01,450 --> 00:02:03,149 for a little over 12 years now. 47 00:02:03,609 --> 00:02:04,090 And, 48 00:02:04,569 --> 00:02:06,509 about 6 years ago, I 49 00:02:07,424 --> 00:02:09,905 kind of recognized different trends happening within the 50 00:02:09,905 --> 00:02:12,085 ambulatory surgical center sphere, 51 00:02:12,705 --> 00:02:15,284 and kind of aggregation and consolidation, and, 52 00:02:16,305 --> 00:02:17,905 was seeing a little bit of a void 53 00:02:17,905 --> 00:02:19,284 in the market that I felt 54 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:21,719 I might be able to cater to. And 55 00:02:21,719 --> 00:02:24,780 so selfishly for myself, for my own surgical 56 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,479 out lay, but even, close friends and colleagues 57 00:02:27,479 --> 00:02:28,219 in the region, 58 00:02:28,519 --> 00:02:29,400 I went about, 59 00:02:29,959 --> 00:02:31,659 forming and creating a 60 00:02:31,959 --> 00:02:34,275 truly surgeon led, a surgeon owned, run, 61 00:02:34,914 --> 00:02:38,114 orthopedic MSK focused facility here in the Washington 62 00:02:38,114 --> 00:02:40,194 DC area with a very strong focus on 63 00:02:40,194 --> 00:02:43,235 joint replacement arthroplasty surgery, and we, you know, 64 00:02:43,235 --> 00:02:45,254 opened about four and a half years ago. 65 00:02:45,474 --> 00:02:47,954 In tandem with that, I created, my management 66 00:02:47,954 --> 00:02:50,639 development company, which is called Capital Surgical Solutions, 67 00:02:50,700 --> 00:02:53,260 which I am cofounder on with a colleague 68 00:02:53,260 --> 00:02:53,919 of mine, 69 00:02:54,379 --> 00:02:56,939 because we we it resonated very quickly to 70 00:02:56,939 --> 00:02:59,099 the extent that regionally, we were starting to 71 00:02:59,099 --> 00:03:01,599 get other people asking about doing something similar 72 00:03:01,819 --> 00:03:04,084 and extra regionally. And so that said this 73 00:03:04,084 --> 00:03:05,704 kind of passion of mine to try 74 00:03:06,004 --> 00:03:07,604 to cater to surgeons that I felt were 75 00:03:07,604 --> 00:03:09,784 similarly minded to me that want 76 00:03:10,245 --> 00:03:11,604 to really make sure they were able to 77 00:03:11,604 --> 00:03:13,844 deliver care at a level they had control 78 00:03:13,844 --> 00:03:14,584 over again, 79 00:03:14,884 --> 00:03:16,405 in the setting that they could be happy 80 00:03:16,405 --> 00:03:18,164 with with teams. They could be happy with 81 00:03:18,164 --> 00:03:20,370 long term and have control not over not 82 00:03:20,370 --> 00:03:21,509 over not over just 83 00:03:21,969 --> 00:03:24,209 the short term, but even the intermediate term 84 00:03:24,209 --> 00:03:26,449 and longer term trajectory of those facilities. And 85 00:03:26,449 --> 00:03:28,449 so that's kind of the the, I would 86 00:03:28,449 --> 00:03:30,449 say, the the reason for why I'm doing 87 00:03:30,449 --> 00:03:32,289 what I'm doing with Capital Surgical Solutions and 88 00:03:32,289 --> 00:03:33,349 the history of it. 89 00:03:33,944 --> 00:03:36,344 So fantastic. And and doctor Stein, you went 90 00:03:36,344 --> 00:03:38,205 to Johns Hopkins for your residency. 91 00:03:38,665 --> 00:03:40,504 What what was that like when you're around 92 00:03:40,504 --> 00:03:42,365 some of the brightest people in the world? 93 00:03:43,145 --> 00:03:44,824 How long did it take you to adjust 94 00:03:44,824 --> 00:03:46,665 to feel like, oh, I'm fine. I belong 95 00:03:46,665 --> 00:03:48,745 here. What was that experience like going to 96 00:03:48,745 --> 00:03:49,485 Johns Hopkins? 97 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,599 That's a that's a great great question. I 98 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:52,579 mean, amazing, 99 00:03:52,879 --> 00:03:54,479 eye opening, you know, to be at a 100 00:03:54,479 --> 00:03:56,400 facility in a hospital system like that and 101 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,340 health system that really just delivers, 102 00:03:58,719 --> 00:04:00,479 some of the most exceptional care, not just 103 00:04:00,479 --> 00:04:02,000 in the United States, but in the world 104 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,034 and being surrounded by mentors to me throughout 105 00:04:05,034 --> 00:04:07,754 my training, both clinically and even people from 106 00:04:07,754 --> 00:04:11,215 a nonclinical perspective was just very eye opening. 107 00:04:11,915 --> 00:04:14,395 I think helped to foster a lot of 108 00:04:14,395 --> 00:04:16,714 what I've become with time and practice and 109 00:04:16,714 --> 00:04:18,810 where I've evolved and what I'm doing. But 110 00:04:18,810 --> 00:04:21,590 it was a fantastic experience unlike any other. 111 00:04:22,689 --> 00:04:24,529 Thank you. And talk about when you look 112 00:04:24,529 --> 00:04:26,470 at the world of surgery centers today, 113 00:04:26,930 --> 00:04:29,670 there's so many interesting challenges in terms of, 114 00:04:29,810 --> 00:04:30,470 you know, 115 00:04:30,770 --> 00:04:33,410 are there enough surgeons to join surgery centers? 116 00:04:33,410 --> 00:04:35,064 What what do you sort see out there? 117 00:04:35,064 --> 00:04:36,745 I mean, a lot of the orthopedic surgeons 118 00:04:36,745 --> 00:04:39,305 have stayed relatively independent, so it leaves room 119 00:04:39,305 --> 00:04:41,064 for surgery centers. But what do you see 120 00:04:41,064 --> 00:04:42,425 out there in the long run for surgery 121 00:04:42,425 --> 00:04:45,245 centers and the independence of specialties like orthopedics? 122 00:04:46,104 --> 00:04:47,384 I think that's a great I think that's 123 00:04:47,384 --> 00:04:49,229 a great question. I think that, you know, 124 00:04:49,229 --> 00:04:51,709 I think you're seeing pendulums that have, like, 125 00:04:51,709 --> 00:04:53,949 swung in one direction that are now starting 126 00:04:53,949 --> 00:04:56,269 to swing back where, you know, ambulatory surgery 127 00:04:56,269 --> 00:04:58,689 centers in the orthopedic sphere, historically, 128 00:04:59,310 --> 00:05:01,389 did have a lot of relative independence or 129 00:05:01,389 --> 00:05:04,209 relative surgeon control of these facilities. And, obviously, 130 00:05:04,269 --> 00:05:06,884 over time, that's changed because the pendulum is 131 00:05:06,884 --> 00:05:09,444 swung the other way. But more and more 132 00:05:09,444 --> 00:05:10,745 you're seeing amongst surgeons 133 00:05:11,204 --> 00:05:13,625 that understand the value of what they're bringing, 134 00:05:14,245 --> 00:05:17,285 or having cases of of increased acuity, like 135 00:05:17,285 --> 00:05:19,144 joint replacements and spine replacements 136 00:05:19,819 --> 00:05:20,399 being migrated 137 00:05:20,860 --> 00:05:22,480 to the surgical center sphere, 138 00:05:22,939 --> 00:05:25,579 they're wanting more, impact and control over that. 139 00:05:25,579 --> 00:05:27,040 They wanna be able to actually 140 00:05:27,500 --> 00:05:29,579 have a a location they go to outside 141 00:05:29,579 --> 00:05:31,180 the hospital where they have the the ability 142 00:05:31,180 --> 00:05:33,279 to control all facets of care, including 143 00:05:33,634 --> 00:05:36,514 the preoperative experience from nurse navigators, the same 144 00:05:36,514 --> 00:05:38,914 day experience from the team, rendering the care 145 00:05:38,914 --> 00:05:39,975 whether it's anesthesia, 146 00:05:40,995 --> 00:05:43,334 recovery nurses, OR teams, sterilization 147 00:05:43,714 --> 00:05:44,214 technicians. 148 00:05:44,754 --> 00:05:47,600 And so I see that, I see it, 149 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,439 swinging back that way. And I say that 150 00:05:49,439 --> 00:05:51,220 because, you know, I did what I did 151 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,759 6 years ago. We already opened our second 152 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:56,319 facility here with 13 other independent surgeons in 153 00:05:56,319 --> 00:05:58,399 this market about a year ago that has 154 00:05:58,399 --> 00:06:00,795 a big spine focus. And now we're opening 155 00:06:00,795 --> 00:06:02,475 1 in Denver in the near term and 156 00:06:02,475 --> 00:06:04,235 one in other another 2 markets in the 157 00:06:04,235 --> 00:06:04,735 pipeline. 158 00:06:05,115 --> 00:06:06,235 And that's without any, 159 00:06:06,714 --> 00:06:08,714 any marketing or any chatting about it. It's 160 00:06:08,714 --> 00:06:10,714 because of the fact there are still a 161 00:06:10,714 --> 00:06:12,975 pretty large swath of independent surgeons, 162 00:06:13,915 --> 00:06:15,055 who have the ability 163 00:06:15,580 --> 00:06:17,500 to control that destiny. And I would argue 164 00:06:17,500 --> 00:06:19,600 that even the surgeons that are not necessarily 165 00:06:19,900 --> 00:06:21,680 in that, that might be in consolidated, 166 00:06:22,779 --> 00:06:24,939 private equity based groupings or even in the 167 00:06:24,939 --> 00:06:25,680 health system 168 00:06:26,139 --> 00:06:26,639 groupings, 169 00:06:27,020 --> 00:06:29,259 many of them are also having a new 170 00:06:29,259 --> 00:06:30,879 ability to look at that optionality 171 00:06:31,394 --> 00:06:33,394 even if it's in a shared partnership with 172 00:06:33,394 --> 00:06:35,014 the health system or other entity, 173 00:06:35,555 --> 00:06:37,875 to help drive that narrative. And so I 174 00:06:37,875 --> 00:06:39,954 think it's I think it's swinging back that 175 00:06:39,954 --> 00:06:42,194 way, and I think it's intelligently swinging swinging 176 00:06:42,194 --> 00:06:43,714 back that way because I think that's where 177 00:06:43,714 --> 00:06:46,034 the facilities function best is when you have 178 00:06:46,034 --> 00:06:47,175 surgeons that are, 179 00:06:47,550 --> 00:06:48,769 not just passive, 180 00:06:49,470 --> 00:06:52,110 bystanders to the operation, but are actually hands 181 00:06:52,110 --> 00:06:53,009 on engaged, 182 00:06:54,589 --> 00:06:56,110 and able to steer that ship in the 183 00:06:56,110 --> 00:06:58,669 best way possible, for them, for their teams, 184 00:06:58,669 --> 00:07:00,290 and for their patients, most importantly. 185 00:07:01,464 --> 00:07:03,225 Thank you very, very much. And and doctor 186 00:07:03,225 --> 00:07:06,204 Stein, what are you most excited about 187 00:07:06,504 --> 00:07:09,064 currently and most focused on currently? Is it 188 00:07:09,064 --> 00:07:10,584 growth of your own practice? It grows to 189 00:07:10,584 --> 00:07:12,664 Capital Surgical? Is it a mix of both? 190 00:07:12,664 --> 00:07:13,865 What what what catch you up in the 191 00:07:13,865 --> 00:07:15,644 morning most excited and most focused? 192 00:07:16,449 --> 00:07:17,889 Yeah. So, you know, it's evolved over time. 193 00:07:17,889 --> 00:07:19,889 I still love practicing. I love doing what 194 00:07:19,889 --> 00:07:21,889 I do, but I've I honestly have a 195 00:07:21,889 --> 00:07:25,169 tremendous passion for the, for this second hat 196 00:07:25,169 --> 00:07:27,490 I wear with Capital Surgical Solutions, and it's 197 00:07:27,490 --> 00:07:29,490 something I get very excited about because it's 198 00:07:29,490 --> 00:07:30,550 allowed me to 199 00:07:31,014 --> 00:07:32,775 have conversations such as this or be out 200 00:07:32,775 --> 00:07:35,175 there meeting surgeons in different markets and learning 201 00:07:35,175 --> 00:07:35,915 more about, 202 00:07:36,455 --> 00:07:39,095 the actual operations of the business, how best 203 00:07:39,095 --> 00:07:41,095 to accomplish the goals that are kind of 204 00:07:41,095 --> 00:07:43,254 shared between us and our partners that we 205 00:07:43,254 --> 00:07:45,490 work with in these various facilities. And so 206 00:07:45,490 --> 00:07:48,629 that's really gotten it's it's kinda hit a 207 00:07:48,689 --> 00:07:50,370 a big kind of zone of passion for 208 00:07:50,370 --> 00:07:52,370 me, and I find that's kind of probably 209 00:07:52,370 --> 00:07:54,129 where most of the growth is happening for 210 00:07:54,129 --> 00:07:54,790 me personally, 211 00:07:55,490 --> 00:07:57,569 because I love it. You know, it's, it's 212 00:07:57,569 --> 00:07:58,069 obviously 213 00:07:59,464 --> 00:08:01,865 been very satisfying and fulfilling, and I and 214 00:08:01,865 --> 00:08:04,584 I see it continuing to grow, at least 215 00:08:04,584 --> 00:08:06,584 based on what I've seen thus far. And 216 00:08:06,584 --> 00:08:08,584 I'm really, really dialed in and enjoying it 217 00:08:08,584 --> 00:08:09,404 quite a bit. 218 00:08:09,944 --> 00:08:11,164 Fantastic. And 219 00:08:11,704 --> 00:08:13,964 and and take a second and sort of, 220 00:08:14,379 --> 00:08:16,220 you know, you let me ask you this 221 00:08:16,220 --> 00:08:17,660 question. I started with this in our in 222 00:08:17,660 --> 00:08:19,660 our conversation where we started. You know, one 223 00:08:19,660 --> 00:08:20,639 of what are my 224 00:08:21,339 --> 00:08:24,300 favorite sort of fascinating, brilliant people to watch 225 00:08:24,300 --> 00:08:26,060 when I was younger? And I've read some 226 00:08:26,060 --> 00:08:27,259 of his books as well, and I find 227 00:08:27,259 --> 00:08:29,235 it to be a brilliant, brilliant person, And 228 00:08:29,235 --> 00:08:31,154 he doesn't shy away from working hard is 229 00:08:31,154 --> 00:08:32,454 is Ben Stein. 230 00:08:32,835 --> 00:08:33,335 Like, 231 00:08:33,714 --> 00:08:35,475 how often do you get asked if you're 232 00:08:35,475 --> 00:08:38,115 that Ben Stein and I'm older than you 233 00:08:38,115 --> 00:08:40,195 are? So I wonder if our audience, the 234 00:08:40,195 --> 00:08:41,794 younger part of our audience, might even not 235 00:08:41,794 --> 00:08:43,529 know who the who the who the other 236 00:08:43,529 --> 00:08:45,690 Ben Stein was, but but talk a little 237 00:08:45,690 --> 00:08:47,049 bit about that. So it was a famous 238 00:08:47,049 --> 00:08:49,210 Ben Stein, actually served of all places in 239 00:08:49,210 --> 00:08:50,970 the Nixon White House, and he he's an 240 00:08:50,970 --> 00:08:53,370 interesting guy, had his own TV show, Win 241 00:08:53,370 --> 00:08:55,129 Ben Stein's Money. Talk a little bit about 242 00:08:55,129 --> 00:08:55,629 that. 243 00:08:56,205 --> 00:08:58,445 Sure. You know, look, I I I prior 244 00:08:58,445 --> 00:09:00,605 to Hopkins, I did undergraduate med school at 245 00:09:00,605 --> 00:09:03,404 George Washington DC, and Ben Stein's from the 246 00:09:03,404 --> 00:09:05,245 DC area from Silver Springs. So I used 247 00:09:05,245 --> 00:09:05,985 to have many, 248 00:09:06,684 --> 00:09:08,925 joking conversations with his friends who'd seen him 249 00:09:08,925 --> 00:09:11,870 around town, etcetera. But, you know, an immensely 250 00:09:12,250 --> 00:09:14,490 impressive guy. He was very you know, he 251 00:09:14,570 --> 00:09:16,350 I think he's still with us. Very bright. 252 00:09:17,610 --> 00:09:20,110 Nixon speechwriter was also involved in economic, 253 00:09:20,490 --> 00:09:22,410 advisement. I think his father was also an 254 00:09:22,410 --> 00:09:22,910 economist. 255 00:09:23,644 --> 00:09:26,925 And so, you know, tremendously intelligent guy, had 256 00:09:26,925 --> 00:09:28,605 a popular show that was fun to watch, 257 00:09:28,605 --> 00:09:30,365 and then started some movies I love. And 258 00:09:30,365 --> 00:09:33,245 so, you know, as far as, you know, 259 00:09:33,245 --> 00:09:33,404 the 260 00:09:34,205 --> 00:09:36,045 him mentoring me, not really, but as far 261 00:09:36,045 --> 00:09:37,679 as, like, you know, me enjoying the fact 262 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:38,960 there was someone like that out there with 263 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,500 the name, I've always had a great, 264 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,279 you know, joking around about that. Am I 265 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:45,839 named after him now? But, but but a 266 00:09:45,839 --> 00:09:47,600 cool figure out there, and I think somebody 267 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,679 who's really done some impressive stuff. And I'm 268 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:51,360 fortunate enough to share his name. That's what 269 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:52,100 I would say. 270 00:09:52,475 --> 00:09:54,754 It's it it's so cool. And and talk 271 00:09:54,754 --> 00:09:56,394 a little bit about you've had this great 272 00:09:56,394 --> 00:09:57,855 career as an orthopedic surgeon, 273 00:09:58,235 --> 00:10:00,154 but you also love what you do and 274 00:10:00,154 --> 00:10:02,315 you've got some other efforts as well in 275 00:10:02,315 --> 00:10:03,535 the business side of orthopedics 276 00:10:03,915 --> 00:10:04,620 and in growth. 277 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:07,259 How important is that that mix of things 278 00:10:07,259 --> 00:10:09,100 to keep the career interesting and fend off 279 00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:11,580 burnout and stay excited? How important is that 280 00:10:11,580 --> 00:10:13,679 for physicians to to be doing 281 00:10:15,100 --> 00:10:17,019 not just knees every day, not just spine 282 00:10:17,019 --> 00:10:19,339 every day, but be doing some other stuff 283 00:10:19,339 --> 00:10:20,294 to to sort of 284 00:10:20,934 --> 00:10:22,855 excite their mind and and move them forward 285 00:10:22,855 --> 00:10:25,174 and and motivate them. What's your thoughts on 286 00:10:25,174 --> 00:10:27,095 that that mix of things? I think I 287 00:10:27,095 --> 00:10:28,375 think it's a great I think I think 288 00:10:28,375 --> 00:10:30,534 it's very important because I think and you 289 00:10:30,534 --> 00:10:31,894 know this given what you do and you 290 00:10:31,894 --> 00:10:34,329 have tremendous expertise in health care and, you 291 00:10:34,329 --> 00:10:36,169 know, it's evolved so much, and there are 292 00:10:36,169 --> 00:10:37,929 so many components of what we do as 293 00:10:37,929 --> 00:10:40,570 physicians that we kinda seemingly start to lose 294 00:10:40,570 --> 00:10:43,049 control over or that erodes over time and 295 00:10:43,129 --> 00:10:45,370 or seemingly happen that way. And I think 296 00:10:45,370 --> 00:10:47,325 what I would say is that, you know, 297 00:10:47,404 --> 00:10:49,085 as a as a physician, I don't care 298 00:10:49,085 --> 00:10:50,924 if you're an orthopedist or any other type 299 00:10:50,924 --> 00:10:51,504 of physician, 300 00:10:51,884 --> 00:10:54,365 the more you can kinda get engaged and 301 00:10:54,365 --> 00:10:56,945 and components that have to do with actually 302 00:10:57,085 --> 00:10:59,485 you know, can seem kind of too hard 303 00:10:59,485 --> 00:11:01,585 to do, it's something that you will benefit 304 00:11:01,620 --> 00:11:03,220 from. Because if you get engaged in how 305 00:11:03,220 --> 00:11:05,059 you operate and how the practice is run 306 00:11:05,059 --> 00:11:07,700 and how the relationships managed care work and 307 00:11:07,700 --> 00:11:09,620 how it works in the value based system 308 00:11:09,620 --> 00:11:12,500 and how all these pieces function, then you're 309 00:11:12,500 --> 00:11:14,899 gonna end up enjoying your practice more because 310 00:11:14,899 --> 00:11:17,705 you'll have a better sense of the larger 311 00:11:18,165 --> 00:11:20,805 environment. And so I think it's very important 312 00:11:20,805 --> 00:11:23,764 to diversify what you're doing. Obviously, for somebody 313 00:11:23,764 --> 00:11:25,125 that might be a different line than what 314 00:11:25,125 --> 00:11:27,524 I've tackled, which is the inventory surgery centers, 315 00:11:27,524 --> 00:11:29,524 but, I think it's a very important thing 316 00:11:29,524 --> 00:11:30,184 to do. 317 00:11:31,629 --> 00:11:33,550 Thank you very, very much. And and doctor 318 00:11:33,550 --> 00:11:35,790 Stein, how could you learn more about Capital 319 00:11:35,790 --> 00:11:38,610 Surgical Solutions or about your practice? And congratulations 320 00:11:38,910 --> 00:11:40,670 on on where you're going with this. It's 321 00:11:40,670 --> 00:11:43,164 gone fantastic so far. Tell us where people 322 00:11:43,164 --> 00:11:46,044 can learn more about Capital Surgical Solutions and 323 00:11:46,044 --> 00:11:47,024 and what you do. 324 00:11:47,485 --> 00:11:49,964 I really appreciate that. Yeah. You know, so 325 00:11:49,964 --> 00:11:51,804 we, like I said, we you know, we've 326 00:11:51,804 --> 00:11:53,324 launched in this market now with our 2nd 327 00:11:53,324 --> 00:11:55,725 facility. We're heading down to different states now. 328 00:11:55,725 --> 00:11:56,225 They're 329 00:11:56,570 --> 00:11:58,409 ASC friendly, I would say, states as far 330 00:11:58,409 --> 00:12:00,330 as your current regulatory stance, which obviously is 331 00:12:00,330 --> 00:12:01,389 evolving as well. 332 00:12:02,009 --> 00:12:03,529 You know, and I you know, as far 333 00:12:03,529 --> 00:12:04,029 as, 334 00:12:04,649 --> 00:12:06,730 communicating with us, connecting with us, we do 335 00:12:06,730 --> 00:12:07,950 have a website, capitalsurgalsolutions.com. 336 00:12:09,049 --> 00:12:10,730 It has all of our contact information there, 337 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:11,625 me and the rest of 338 00:12:14,184 --> 00:12:14,665 my team, which are really built from, I 339 00:12:14,665 --> 00:12:16,424 think, a unique, a unique bunch of very 340 00:12:16,424 --> 00:12:20,105 knowledgeable individuals, including my cofounder and others that 341 00:12:20,105 --> 00:12:21,784 are really out here to try to partner 342 00:12:21,784 --> 00:12:24,024 with, with the surgeons, with the correct surgeon 343 00:12:24,024 --> 00:12:26,320 grouping to try to give them what they 344 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,820 want, which is a setting where they're truly 345 00:12:29,039 --> 00:12:30,659 in the driver's seat or, 346 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:32,799 you know, really we're really a tag along, 347 00:12:32,799 --> 00:12:33,539 drag along, 348 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,120 partner with them, long term focused, not with 349 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,634 any ability to do anything without their, say, 350 00:12:41,575 --> 00:12:43,575 and, you know, doing so in a manner 351 00:12:43,575 --> 00:12:45,654 that we feel will make it the best 352 00:12:45,654 --> 00:12:47,495 place for them to operate at, take care 353 00:12:47,495 --> 00:12:48,235 of their patients, 354 00:12:48,615 --> 00:12:50,455 and kinda thread that needle. And so I 355 00:12:50,455 --> 00:12:52,154 think for surgeons that are in 356 00:12:52,610 --> 00:12:54,289 scenarios and some of the some of the 357 00:12:54,289 --> 00:12:56,949 scenarios are currently evolving because of what's happened 358 00:12:57,009 --> 00:12:57,409 inside, 359 00:12:58,289 --> 00:13:00,529 some of the the landscape, I would say, 360 00:13:00,529 --> 00:13:03,009 amongst specialists like us that are in that 361 00:13:03,009 --> 00:13:05,970 position of wanting to maybe refocus their lens 362 00:13:05,970 --> 00:13:08,595 on their ASC strategy, just reach out. We're 363 00:13:08,595 --> 00:13:10,134 happy to to chat, 364 00:13:10,514 --> 00:13:12,115 and just provide input as we can, which 365 00:13:12,115 --> 00:13:14,355 we've done many times, or work and partner 366 00:13:14,355 --> 00:13:16,035 with. But, you know, 367 00:13:16,595 --> 00:13:18,274 that yeah. That's what I would tell you. 368 00:13:18,274 --> 00:13:19,955 We'd love to chat with anybody who has 369 00:13:19,955 --> 00:13:21,799 interest, and they can they can look at 370 00:13:21,799 --> 00:13:23,440 us on our website and kinda go from 371 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:23,940 there. 372 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,120 Doctor Stein, thank you so much for joining 373 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,799 us today on the Pecos Healthcare podcast. What 374 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:31,059 a pleasure to visit with you, and congratulations 375 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:33,459 on all your success. Thank you very much. 376 00:13:33,839 --> 00:13:35,940 Thanks so much, Scott. I really appreciate it.