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Hello, KCIW

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listeners, and welcome to Curry Cafe, where we

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put together a panel of volunteers and guests

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who discuss various topics from whimsical and fun

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to more serious subjects.

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Well, hello everybody. This is Ray Gary, and

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I am the panel today.

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Rick has decided that

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he needs to take a day off, and

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we have one guest who will certainly fill

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the hour with

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wonderful stories about what it's like to be

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an entertainer your whole life.

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So I will now turn the microphone over

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to Bobby Joe, and he'll talk about himself.

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And Thank you. Knowing him, he will talk

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about himself,

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enough that I can just go get a

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beer.

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Right. I'm I'm a legend in my own

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mind. Right? Yeah. Well, it's such a pleasure

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to be on the show. I I really

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do. It's kind of an honor to have

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you. It really is. So

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Well, it's, you know, the,

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I love the town. I just, my wife

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and I have been here just

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oh, well, probably going on four months. It

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couldn't be a friendly in in those four

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months, have you ever heard anybody beeping a

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horn? I know. No?

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I mean, I walk and I I I

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walk a lot. I try to walk as

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much as I can,

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at it,

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was it Sport Haven. Uh-huh. And,

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I I love to tell it because everybody's

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so friendly when you talk and you get

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to you get to recognize them, they get

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to know you. And this one guy, this

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big old burly dude one day and walking

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down there and he goes, you know,

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how can you be mad, upset

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because you're looking out at the ocean and

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just and those waves just he goes, I've

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got problems and everything

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and everything, and I gotta deal with it

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and financial, all that. But here I am

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in this, and I go, brother,

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everyone's got problems, but that's why we

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we come here. That's why I love it

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because, those waves are just

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they just cut at you. They just work

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at you. Oh, you're feeling bad for you?

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You're on the pity pot? Yeah. Let me

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just hang around a little bit longer.

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I call that strip there that, where they

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walk on the, a mall for older people.

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You know, teenagers hang out at the mall

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to meet people and to pick up girls

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or whatever.

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If you're, like, 65,

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or above, then you fit in right in

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there. That's our mall.

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Yeah. It's, it's the town. That was one

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of the things I had mentioned,

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numerous times about,

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never have I been in a place that

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I've seen so many

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white haired or gray haired people, mostly white

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haired people like myself.

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Yeah. I, I I was in something the

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other day. I don't remember what it was,

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and there was a couple in there, had

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a little kid, little toddler. And I'm thinking,

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boy, that that's a rare sight around here.

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In my neighborhood, there's one. You see them

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walking to this little girl every now and

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then and I have to

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you know, it's the only kid in the

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whole neighborhood. Yeah. Right. So

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everybody

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tries

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to spoil them and stuff like that. Yes.

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That's what and the

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the dogs,

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we finally we got the little dog from

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the humane society,

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and so now we're proper because

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everybody and their brother has a dog out

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there. Yes. You know?

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And you can't be out there without a

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dog, you know? No. And

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so I I really enjoy that and stuff.

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Dogs are a wonderful

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conversation

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starter.

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People will come up to you and wanna

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talk about your dog.

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And and sometimes I think that's okay, and

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sometimes

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I couldn't care less about your dog, and

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you don't care. Why don't you just leave

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me alone? Just because I'm walking here with

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a dog doesn't give you the right to

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come up with me and start asking me

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questions.

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Well, that's, you know, that's your prerogative. Right?

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Everybody it's well, it's like showing the pictures

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or,

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you know,

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me, it,

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I have a hot rod. My wife and

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I have this hot rod and it's like

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showing pictures as a kid. Oh. Check this

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out, you know, and doodle What what do

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you have? I have a '29 model a

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For pickup with a flatty in it. It's

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like an old fifties hot rod. Yeah. It's

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got a chop top

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channeled.

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It's been

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extended a little bit.

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It, the it's got an old,

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sixties Merc

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motor in it with,

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I mean, Ford Fati with a Merc crank

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in it. Oh. It's got a little ISKEC

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cam in it. I'm from from it just

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sound it's so wonderful and oily and

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soundly, you know, the fifties. Are you involved

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with the car club here at all? No.

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I I'm actually,

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was involved with when out from Rapid City

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because that's where we came. We came out

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here because of my

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I have a I have a model t.

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A You do? A '26 model t pickup,

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and I

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I find it to be an excellent place

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to get rid of excess money.

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If you've got you've got a spare 20

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in in in your wallet Well, yeah. Sucker

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will take it away in a second.

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Well, that's it for the

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the little time enjoyment.

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We were thinking about bringing that. In fact,

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I just put my my,

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Hot Rod up for sale in back in

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Rapid City. And we were thinking about bringing

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it out here, and I said, why? It'd

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be cool. And you stroke your ego because

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I'm sure there's not one that looks like

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this. It's the top, this guy that built

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it,

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he took a '56 Ford hood,

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and that's the roof on it. Oh.

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It's it's really done really well.

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And,

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and then I'd like you say, I put

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a ton of money into it. Had it

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rewired and did this and did that and

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pay blah blah blah blah blah. And you

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you're buying this, buying it, and putting it

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in. And and,

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and it's been in two parades and two

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car shows,

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and

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so I'm good.

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I I'm hoping to have mine

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running and safe

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for the,

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parade.

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And when I say safe, a model t,

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you took your life in your hands. Yeah.

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They call the brakes a suggestion,

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and and that's not a joke. They the

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brakes didn't stop the wheels. It stopped the

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transmission.

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Really? Yeah. And it it basically slowed you

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down, then you had to go do a

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bunch of downshifting and pull the emergency brake.

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Oh, so it's still it's all restored then.

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I'm sorry? It's a restored one? It's not

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a hot rod? It's a Oh, it's yeah.

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It's it's actually never been restored. It's still

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in original

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good shape with

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I took the engine out and cleaned things

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up and put new valves on that kind

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of stuff. But gotta show me that, brother.

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I just I'd love it. My dad and

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I built

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a '29 model a,

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five window business coupe,

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back when I was, like,

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what,

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17, 18 years old.

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And from the ground up, bought it for

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$35.

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Oh. This bloody thing for $35.

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But,

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well, listen.

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So, yeah, we'll we'll show that.

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But I came up here to place,

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play music, and I was been so you

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you you good people have been so gracious

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to have me on the a couple of

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the shows and stuff like that. Wow. Do

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we yeah. You you you kinda make our

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microphones

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shine. People say, oh, Bobby Joe's on. Let's

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go listen to that song. Yeah. Let's hear

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this so toad.

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But if for those of you who haven't

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seen him, Bobby Bobby Joe was one of

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the,

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premier entertainers,

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that we have here in town. Not that

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the others aren't good, but

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Bobby Joe kinda, I think,

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stands at least a half ahead above

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a lot of them.

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Well, thank you. Thank you very much. Well,

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I just been at it for a zillion

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years and I've kind of found my calling,

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you know. Yeah. And I play the old

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blues.

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I'm gonna play a song for you that

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it's playing on

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my wife's dad's guitar. It's a 90 year

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old

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Martin guitar. It's the par

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guitar because it's

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not a full bodied one, but it still

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got that Martin sound.

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I got a gal who lives up

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on a hill.

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I got a gal who lives up

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up on a hill.

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Many women come to see me, but baby,

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I love this

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still.

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She got eyes like diamonds,

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shine like londigome.

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Got eyes

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like diamonds

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shine like clondigo

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When she make love to

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me,

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man, she feel me so much.

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Honey, you're

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so beautiful.

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You got to die someday.

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Honey, you're so

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beautiful

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you got to die someday.

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So why don't we make love

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until you

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pass away?

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That was amazing.

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yeah. I'm I'm

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well, I'm tongue tongue tied.

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Sitting and listening to Bobby Joe, watch him

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play this music is

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really, really, really amazing.

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I did notice something, though, in the beginning

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of this song that seems to be kind

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of a common thread for blues songs.

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All these guys had a gal that lives

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up on the hill.

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You bet.

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Have you noticed that? I bet the the

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hills must have been filled up living.

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I guess that was it was well, you

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know, a lot of those cats would

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steal

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the lines different lines and put them in

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their system. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. So so

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you'd hear

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so you learn that. Yeah. You can become

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a blues singer. I guess you learn about

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six or seven different things and then There

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you go. Just run lines from each one.

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Yeah.

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But,

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yeah. You know, I I I was like

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telling you earlier that,

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my mom, god bless her god rest her

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soul that,

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she goes, oh, Bobby, you just have such

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a nice voice. You should sing country.

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And I go, oh, there's no way I

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wanna do that.

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And,

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I wanna be a blues guy, you know,

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and all of a sudden, well, then

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the blues is wonderful, but then

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here now since she's passed away, I,

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I have been listening to a lot of

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these old the old guys. Yes. And they

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had so much

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white man's soul, you know, they had the

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blues, you know,

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in it.

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And so part of my act is a

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lot of these old tunes

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and everything. I try to do different things

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that

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not everybody

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plays. And it's it's, I'm gonna let the

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the cat out of the bag. It's it's

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good because most of people don't know if

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I'm doing it right or wrong.

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Yeah. Well, it sounds good. It doesn't there

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there there is no right anyway. Well, Well,

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you're trying to make it your I bet

322
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you Robert Johnson never sung sang the same

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song twice. Yeah. And what a wonderful story

324
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about, you know, at the end of going

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in that,

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that's what happens is these these guys,

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they get

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they'll find some old famous mentor or something.

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And the guy the mentor wants to pass

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that on to them.

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So they just absorb it up. But then

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they've got that, then they put their shtick

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to it. And my goodness, you know. That's

334
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yeah. That's kind of the Robert Johnson story

335
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right there. Yeah. Right. He he used to

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go around playing in bars and whatnot and

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everybody saw him coming and they go, uh-oh.

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Yeah. Because he wasn't very good. And then

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he went away for I don't know how

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long Yeah. And ran into one of those

341
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guys you're talking about.

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And according to to legend, they set out

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in the cemetery

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Yep. And this guy taught Robert Johnson how

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to play.

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And he came back saying he he'd met

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with the devil Yeah. Which was, for those

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people, probably a

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a moralistic

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story. And, oh, yeah. I just worked hard.

351
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Well, you know,

352
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one of my

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songs that I do is called Got My

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Mojo Working. Uh-huh. And you know what a

355
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mojo is? Yeah. Because it had the rubies

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and Yeah. It warts off the evil spirits.

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So they're really that's a Cajun

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Mhmm. Shtick, you know? And,

359
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and boy, they believe that. Yes. And they're

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they're all Yes. Probably to this day. Oh,

361
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for sure, for sure, you know. I had

362
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the pleasure I was,

363
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when I got out of the service and

364
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I was raised in Southern California, I went

365
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to Southern I went back to Southern California,

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and then I went up that my, my

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folks had moved up to Ogden, Utah.

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And I went up to

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Ogden, Utah on and

370
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hung around there and played. And then my

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blood father came into my life. Uh-huh. And

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he lived a 130 miles from New Orleans

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Oh. Street.

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So I went down and visited with him

375
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about two weeks, got to know him, I

376
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came back, and then I decided, man, this

377
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is my chance. I I want to do

378
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this. So I get a U Haul trailer,

379
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get all of my stuff that I had

380
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and bonsai down there. Took me three days

381
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to get down there.

382
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And I just

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stopped at his place

384
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in in,

385
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Brookhaven, Mississippi

386
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and

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loaded stuff. I mean, I kept on going

388
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because I'd had some money, and I went

389
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and lived on Bourbon Street for Oh, wow.

390
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And it was just such a a wonderful

391
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experience because of,

392
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you know, I was all fresh, all eager

393
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to do this, and I could play some

394
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and,

395
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especially the harmonica, I could play. And,

396
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but, man, there'd be cats on the corner

397
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playing for change that would scare you that

398
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they were so good. Yes. And I can

399
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remember I love telling this that

400
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a guy told me there, he says, if

401
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you really wanna hear

402
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the great players,

403
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go over about

404
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three

405
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streets over from Bourbon. Uh-huh. Because

406
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Bourbon was commercial and, you know, I was

407
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right by Al Hertz Annex and and, you

408
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know, you had Pete Fountain place and you

409
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had all these jazz places and stuff.

410
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So I did. I one day I and

411
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it was parallel, and I forget the name

412
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of the street. It was, like, about three

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streets over. And then you were out of

414
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the bourbon with all the the shim sham

415
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stuff. It was just, like, all the time.

416
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It was real. Yep. And we go in,

417
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and I found this place. It was in

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a whole old hotel.

419
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I walked down, and you know, and then

420
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you go in the door and here here's

421
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the, here's the,

422
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the light bulb, which is

423
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but I went in this room,

424
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and, man, these cats were playing in there

425
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and you you sit down and you get

426
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a a beer for

427
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35¢

428
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or something.

429
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And the most phenomenal

430
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jazz playing in the world, I just go

431
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Oh, yeah. People walk over your jaw, you

432
00:17:13,325 --> 00:17:15,644
know, because you're and just and they're playing

433
00:17:15,644 --> 00:17:18,130
for beans, playing for nothing. Yeah. But it

434
00:17:18,130 --> 00:17:18,869
was that

435
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it was that,

436
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that spirit,

437
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the the art the artistic bohemian spirit of

438
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the it was all about the art. It

439
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wasn't about the money. I mean, we'll live,

440
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you know, I can I can live on

441
00:17:32,184 --> 00:17:34,365
baloney sandwiches if I get to play,

442
00:17:34,744 --> 00:17:36,744
you know, with That's the way it's supposed

443
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to be? We it really is. It really

444
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is. I had an experience about, oh, probably

445
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fifteen years ago. I have a friend that

446
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lived in Key West, and my wife and

447
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I went down there to visit her. And,

448
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you know, Key West people don't do the

449
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Key West thing. You know? Yeah. Yeah. But

450
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we were,

451
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walking down Duval Street, hopefully finding somebody that

452
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could play decently

453
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because a lot of them can't.

454
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And we

455
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heard of on a bar off Duval Street,

456
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couple of doors down,

457
00:18:05,674 --> 00:18:07,934
a a band playing something sounded pretty good.

458
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And we went in, and

459
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they weren't good. They were really good. And

460
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it just so happened that night, they were

461
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recording a a CD.

462
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And

463
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like we were talking before about making a

464
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song your own, that's what they were doing,

465
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and they did a very good job of

466
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even, like, Mojo working. Yeah. Believe it or

467
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not, they Yeah. They didn't

468
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necessarily approve on it, but they changed it,

469
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and it worked.

470
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And,

471
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so the next time I went went back

472
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to visit my friend, she said, oh, that's

473
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gone. And and turns out she'd been dating

474
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one of the guitar players. Oh. During a

475
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break, we were sitting with this

476
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very nice looking woman, and

477
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the guitar player just came over and sat

478
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down and started talking to her. You know?

479
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I'm a guitar player. I can do that.

480
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And they did date for a while, but

481
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so she got a copy of that CD

482
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they were making that night, and she said

483
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they're a rarity in Key West, and they're

484
00:19:01,644 --> 00:19:03,724
they're valuable, not in the world, but I

485
00:19:03,724 --> 00:19:05,744
have it, and I'm keeping it. Oh.

486
00:19:06,045 --> 00:19:08,125
And, when I was doing my doo wop

487
00:19:08,125 --> 00:19:09,644
show, I used to play some songs from

488
00:19:09,644 --> 00:19:11,799
it once in a while, but, you know,

489
00:19:12,339 --> 00:19:14,919
there's amazing things you find out there sometimes.

490
00:19:15,220 --> 00:19:16,200
And the experience,

491
00:19:16,740 --> 00:19:18,579
it's all like like you say now that

492
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you have that

493
00:19:19,940 --> 00:19:22,179
in your mind, in your soul Mhmm. That

494
00:19:22,179 --> 00:19:23,460
you were there. You

495
00:19:24,034 --> 00:19:27,095
Exactly. You experienced it. And that's what

496
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I try to do with the performance

497
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is

498
00:19:30,755 --> 00:19:32,855
the people we're all we're all at one

499
00:19:33,154 --> 00:19:35,315
the same level. Yeah. I just happen to

500
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be the one that's the singing of the

501
00:19:37,075 --> 00:19:39,579
plane or whatever. But I don't know anybody

502
00:19:39,579 --> 00:19:42,220
or anybody else, you know. I'm just I

503
00:19:42,220 --> 00:19:44,619
love to go to where this music takes

504
00:19:44,619 --> 00:19:45,679
you, you know.

505
00:19:46,460 --> 00:19:46,960
I've,

506
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have more than once gone and seen some

507
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of the,

508
00:19:50,404 --> 00:19:51,724
the old players like

509
00:19:52,164 --> 00:19:53,924
well, I don't think I put BB King

510
00:19:53,924 --> 00:19:55,924
exactly in this, but I saw BB King

511
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and Wow. That would've Bo Diddley a number

512
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of times and quite

513
00:20:00,244 --> 00:20:02,085
a few of the guys that you might

514
00:20:02,085 --> 00:20:05,210
call has beens or not have. To me,

515
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:07,589
it was an experience just to be in

516
00:20:07,589 --> 00:20:09,669
the same room with them. Oh, yeah. A

517
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:11,669
few years back, we I was living in

518
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:14,470
Tucson, and Willie Nelson came to one of

519
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the little casinos there

520
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in a in a in a room that

521
00:20:19,004 --> 00:20:20,865
I'm sure didn't seat a 100 people.

522
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And and,

523
00:20:24,125 --> 00:20:26,524
we had seats, like, four feet off the

524
00:20:26,764 --> 00:20:27,345
of four

525
00:20:28,044 --> 00:20:30,704
Yeah. Rows off the off the stage. And,

526
00:20:32,009 --> 00:20:33,450
I don't know if he's just having an

527
00:20:33,450 --> 00:20:35,529
off night or what, but at at one

528
00:20:35,529 --> 00:20:36,910
point, my wife said,

529
00:20:37,690 --> 00:20:39,769
I'd like to take that guitar and smash

530
00:20:39,769 --> 00:20:41,609
it on the stage because he was not

531
00:20:41,609 --> 00:20:44,890
playing well Yeah. And which is really bad

532
00:20:44,890 --> 00:20:47,150
because he plays really well. Yeah. Right.

533
00:20:47,474 --> 00:20:49,174
And may maybe maybe he's

534
00:20:49,554 --> 00:20:50,054
not

535
00:20:50,994 --> 00:20:53,234
traditional or doing what a guitar player should

536
00:20:53,234 --> 00:20:55,075
do, but he sounds great. Yeah. And he

537
00:20:55,075 --> 00:20:57,394
was forgetting the words to songs and things

538
00:20:57,394 --> 00:20:57,974
like that.

539
00:20:58,994 --> 00:21:00,515
And I'm saying along with,

540
00:21:01,849 --> 00:21:03,690
to myself, you know, with Angel Flying Too

541
00:21:03,690 --> 00:21:05,210
Close to the Ground, which I've heard him

542
00:21:05,210 --> 00:21:07,710
say many times was his favorite song.

543
00:21:08,090 --> 00:21:10,170
And he's screwing up the words and going

544
00:21:10,170 --> 00:21:11,230
all over the pit.

545
00:21:11,769 --> 00:21:13,529
Just to have been in the same room

546
00:21:13,529 --> 00:21:15,130
with him, I wouldn't care if he didn't

547
00:21:15,130 --> 00:21:16,190
even play the guitar.

548
00:21:16,714 --> 00:21:17,855
Yeah. It was like

549
00:21:19,195 --> 00:21:21,615
Well, that's it because they, you know,

550
00:21:22,474 --> 00:21:24,955
and there there's life. There's the real thing

551
00:21:24,955 --> 00:21:25,455
because

552
00:21:25,914 --> 00:21:27,994
people put him up on a pedestal. Man,

553
00:21:27,994 --> 00:21:30,419
he's only just a person. Yes. And he

554
00:21:30,419 --> 00:21:31,559
has the gift,

555
00:21:31,940 --> 00:21:32,839
and he has

556
00:21:33,619 --> 00:21:36,259
given the gift to the world. Yeah. His

557
00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:38,359
I mean, in these songs

558
00:21:38,980 --> 00:21:41,700
and him and the performance because you, you

559
00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:42,599
know, you

560
00:21:42,984 --> 00:21:45,544
you you understand it is I I love

561
00:21:45,544 --> 00:21:46,044
talking

562
00:21:46,505 --> 00:21:46,825
about,

563
00:21:47,384 --> 00:21:49,464
Bob Dylan because I never was

564
00:21:50,825 --> 00:21:53,625
I love Dylan's songs. Yeah. But I wasn't

565
00:21:53,625 --> 00:21:55,944
real crazy about his voice because I always

566
00:21:55,944 --> 00:21:57,304
look at it where, you know, I have

567
00:21:57,304 --> 00:21:58,125
to have the right

568
00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:01,039
tonality and the phase phrasing and blah blah

569
00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:01,539
blah.

570
00:22:01,839 --> 00:22:03,779
Until I watched it, not this

571
00:22:04,079 --> 00:22:06,480
I've watched the movie here lately, but then

572
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:07,139
a documentary

573
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,259
about probably

574
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,500
fifteen, twenty years ago.

575
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:11,619
And

576
00:22:13,494 --> 00:22:16,615
and, I got it because he wrote those

577
00:22:16,615 --> 00:22:18,394
songs for him. Yes.

578
00:22:18,855 --> 00:22:21,575
And and he's so bloody ass good with,

579
00:22:21,575 --> 00:22:23,355
you know, pardon me, you know,

580
00:22:23,654 --> 00:22:24,154
of

581
00:22:25,140 --> 00:22:28,359
doing that, of singing those songs because

582
00:22:28,820 --> 00:22:29,880
they're they're his songs.

583
00:22:30,500 --> 00:22:33,059
And and nobody else does them as well

584
00:22:33,059 --> 00:22:35,080
unless they completely, you know, like,

585
00:22:36,740 --> 00:22:37,960
Neil Young took

586
00:22:38,785 --> 00:22:40,625
Watchtower and just went crazy with it. Yeah.

587
00:22:40,625 --> 00:22:41,924
He's a much better version.

588
00:22:42,944 --> 00:22:43,025
And

589
00:22:43,825 --> 00:22:45,904
but, like I say, he had the voice

590
00:22:45,904 --> 00:22:48,325
to do that. When when Jimi Hendrix

591
00:22:48,944 --> 00:22:52,305
first started singing, he he contacted his father

592
00:22:52,305 --> 00:22:52,785
and said,

593
00:22:53,950 --> 00:22:55,789
something among all the nonsense, but don't be

594
00:22:55,789 --> 00:22:57,809
too embarrassed about my singing voice.

595
00:22:58,269 --> 00:23:00,190
But Bob Dylan is doing it, so I

596
00:23:00,190 --> 00:23:02,350
can do it. And and and and there

597
00:23:02,350 --> 00:23:04,529
again, he has absolute perfect voice

598
00:23:05,070 --> 00:23:07,890
and and the feeling for what he's doing,

599
00:23:08,029 --> 00:23:09,410
the songs that he wrote.

600
00:23:10,304 --> 00:23:13,204
Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a this movie is

601
00:23:13,585 --> 00:23:15,664
the the latest movie out has been out

602
00:23:15,664 --> 00:23:17,424
for probably a year or so ago, and

603
00:23:17,424 --> 00:23:19,984
it's it's very good. Mhmm. The guy that

604
00:23:19,984 --> 00:23:21,365
plays plays him

605
00:23:21,984 --> 00:23:24,599
and everything. And, in fact, here's a you

606
00:23:24,599 --> 00:23:27,179
were talking about how, you know, these musicians

607
00:23:28,599 --> 00:23:30,140
own stuff. Now I

608
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,160
I've done this. You've probably heard me do

609
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:33,900
this song,

610
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,200
and I I've I've just always enjoyed it.

611
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,595
And it's I love the way Dylan does

612
00:23:40,595 --> 00:23:42,294
it. I love the way that,

613
00:23:43,554 --> 00:23:45,494
Van Morrison does it and,

614
00:23:46,515 --> 00:23:47,015
those

615
00:23:47,474 --> 00:23:49,174
two. In fact, I

616
00:23:49,474 --> 00:23:51,634
I got turned on to it because of

617
00:23:51,634 --> 00:23:54,549
the Van Morrison way, but it was Van

618
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:55,049
Morrison

619
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:57,450
yoga.

620
00:24:01,589 --> 00:24:03,369
That was great. You know,

621
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:05,750
and as I'm as you're playing it, I'm

622
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:06,570
thinking that

623
00:24:07,144 --> 00:24:09,304
that Dylan wrote songs like that because he

624
00:24:09,304 --> 00:24:11,565
lived that life. It wasn't, yeah, he wasn't

625
00:24:12,664 --> 00:24:14,444
in a in a,

626
00:24:15,065 --> 00:24:15,544
fancy,

627
00:24:16,345 --> 00:24:18,664
apartment or a house or something writing songs

628
00:24:18,664 --> 00:24:20,345
about that. He lived that life. He lived

629
00:24:20,345 --> 00:24:20,789
in,

630
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:23,430
you know, the whole Greenwich Village scene and

631
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:23,830
was,

632
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:29,990
when Arlo Guthrie and all these people were

633
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:31,990
breaking in and they were walking around with

634
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:34,330
their with their guitars over their shoulder.

635
00:24:36,565 --> 00:24:37,285
I used to,

636
00:24:38,725 --> 00:24:40,644
when when I was in high school, we

637
00:24:40,644 --> 00:24:42,424
used to go in once in a while.

638
00:24:43,045 --> 00:24:44,805
Thought we were I lived down on Long

639
00:24:44,805 --> 00:24:47,225
Island. I thought we we were really being

640
00:24:47,285 --> 00:24:48,805
daring because we were gonna go in and

641
00:24:48,805 --> 00:24:51,099
go to Greenwich Village and and just walk

642
00:24:51,099 --> 00:24:53,659
around and hang out and stuff. And, it

643
00:24:53,659 --> 00:24:56,539
was it was quite a, quite an experience

644
00:24:56,539 --> 00:24:58,799
for us because, I mean, there'd be people

645
00:24:58,940 --> 00:25:01,019
sitting on the stoop shooting up and nodding

646
00:25:01,019 --> 00:25:04,125
out and just all just all those, holy

647
00:25:04,125 --> 00:25:05,164
cow, this life really

648
00:25:06,684 --> 00:25:08,765
but what I didn't realize is that is

649
00:25:08,765 --> 00:25:11,244
that Arnold Guthrie and all these people were

650
00:25:11,244 --> 00:25:13,244
playing in these coffee houses. You know? I

651
00:25:13,244 --> 00:25:15,484
could have gone and seen them way back

652
00:25:15,484 --> 00:25:16,559
in the day. You know?

653
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,799
They lived it like you said. Yeah. You

654
00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:21,299
know?

655
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,220
And have the opportunity

656
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,019
to experience that. I

657
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,400
I think I went when I was in

658
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,335
the service. I was on submarines and I

659
00:25:30,335 --> 00:25:32,035
ended up in New London, Connecticut.

660
00:25:32,335 --> 00:25:34,595
Uh-huh. And we would come down to

661
00:25:35,055 --> 00:25:36,975
the to the Big Apple there and,

662
00:25:37,455 --> 00:25:38,434
of course, I had

663
00:25:38,735 --> 00:25:40,735
to see all, you know, the different things

664
00:25:40,735 --> 00:25:42,940
in that Greenwich Village. Yeah. But I didn't

665
00:25:42,940 --> 00:25:45,180
see that that part of it. This was

666
00:25:45,180 --> 00:25:46,960
back in the in the,

667
00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:48,880
in the late sixties.

668
00:25:49,180 --> 00:25:51,259
Okay. And that was when you were That

669
00:25:51,259 --> 00:25:54,380
was earlier sixties. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We were

670
00:25:54,380 --> 00:25:56,220
just high school kids. We didn't know anything.

671
00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:57,974
And literally, that was like,

672
00:25:58,454 --> 00:26:00,375
holy cow. Look at that. You know? Because

673
00:26:00,375 --> 00:26:02,855
we lived on on suburban Long Island. You

674
00:26:02,855 --> 00:26:04,394
know? So, you know, it was it was

675
00:26:05,174 --> 00:26:06,934
quite an experience, and I wish I had

676
00:26:06,934 --> 00:26:09,035
had the knowledge to appreciate the experience.

677
00:26:09,974 --> 00:26:11,734
If only I knew that, you know, they

678
00:26:11,734 --> 00:26:13,740
all Well, but that's the that's the thing,

679
00:26:13,740 --> 00:26:15,420
though. But you were you were there. You

680
00:26:15,420 --> 00:26:16,559
got to do it. It's

681
00:26:17,099 --> 00:26:20,160
I figured out that song because, you know,

682
00:26:20,380 --> 00:26:21,099
him and,

683
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:24,059
Joan Baez had a little fling. Oh, yeah.

684
00:26:24,059 --> 00:26:26,000
And when she ended it,

685
00:26:26,299 --> 00:26:27,440
her song was,

686
00:26:31,285 --> 00:26:33,365
and Dylan's was I think it was it's

687
00:26:33,365 --> 00:26:35,944
all over now, Baby Blue Yeah. Was his

688
00:26:36,724 --> 00:26:37,224
rebuttal.

689
00:26:37,845 --> 00:26:40,025
Diamonds and Rust, I think, is one of

690
00:26:40,164 --> 00:26:42,484
the the best songs ever written. Yeah. Joan

691
00:26:42,484 --> 00:26:44,000
Baez does so beautifully.

692
00:26:44,779 --> 00:26:45,279
And

693
00:26:45,660 --> 00:26:47,180
do you know if that's a true story?

694
00:26:47,180 --> 00:26:48,700
I mean, did she actually get a phone

695
00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:49,980
call from him or what? I was just

696
00:26:49,980 --> 00:26:51,820
thinking about it the other day, and that's

697
00:26:51,820 --> 00:26:53,900
what the song was about. Well, yeah. And

698
00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:55,500
she was yeah. That

699
00:26:56,444 --> 00:26:57,424
because they still

700
00:26:57,884 --> 00:26:58,384
connected

701
00:26:59,164 --> 00:27:01,565
and and stuff. And when she ended it

702
00:27:01,804 --> 00:27:02,304
Yeah.

703
00:27:02,684 --> 00:27:06,384
And, of course, him being Dylan, you know,

704
00:27:06,605 --> 00:27:07,105
and

705
00:27:07,644 --> 00:27:09,565
I I tell you when it's over with

706
00:27:09,565 --> 00:27:10,065
you.

707
00:27:11,299 --> 00:27:12,599
I mean but,

708
00:27:14,339 --> 00:27:17,299
yeah. All that, it was that's my favorite.

709
00:27:17,299 --> 00:27:19,220
I mean, that's the only one I could

710
00:27:19,220 --> 00:27:22,019
really do. And I had mixed emotions. I

711
00:27:22,019 --> 00:27:23,799
used to do it where it was a

712
00:27:24,325 --> 00:27:26,965
a male and then the girl was that

713
00:27:26,965 --> 00:27:29,125
was the deal. And I thought, no. I

714
00:27:29,125 --> 00:27:31,205
I forget who the artist was. I heard

715
00:27:31,205 --> 00:27:31,705
that

716
00:27:32,244 --> 00:27:34,965
he did a woman song that that made

717
00:27:34,965 --> 00:27:36,965
it popular. And I figured, well, if he

718
00:27:36,965 --> 00:27:39,059
can do it, I even forget who the

719
00:27:39,059 --> 00:27:41,059
guy was, but so I do it. I

720
00:27:41,059 --> 00:27:41,960
do it in

721
00:27:42,339 --> 00:27:44,900
first person that I'm the Joan Baez, you

722
00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:47,400
know, the female that, hey, you know,

723
00:27:48,420 --> 00:27:50,339
out Diamonds Russ, you did this to me

724
00:27:50,339 --> 00:27:52,325
and blah blah. Yeah. That whole song, the

725
00:27:52,325 --> 00:27:54,884
music, the way it's just, yeah, amazing how

726
00:27:54,884 --> 00:27:56,184
that thing is put together.

727
00:27:56,565 --> 00:27:58,565
Yep. Not to mention the words, you know.

728
00:27:58,565 --> 00:28:00,244
Yeah. I know. She you're so good at

729
00:28:00,244 --> 00:28:03,144
words. Yes. You know, she hate and he

730
00:28:03,549 --> 00:28:05,710
and he because he was. He was just,

731
00:28:07,630 --> 00:28:09,470
I saw another another great,

732
00:28:10,349 --> 00:28:11,329
one that I

733
00:28:11,789 --> 00:28:13,710
a guy that I really got into was

734
00:28:13,710 --> 00:28:16,029
Leonard Cohen. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And,

735
00:28:16,670 --> 00:28:18,190
No. He was in the village too with

736
00:28:18,190 --> 00:28:19,275
us. Yeah.

737
00:28:20,394 --> 00:28:22,555
And once again, didn't have a very good

738
00:28:22,555 --> 00:28:24,474
voice. Not any voice at all. No. But

739
00:28:24,474 --> 00:28:25,835
but when you But it worked for what

740
00:28:25,835 --> 00:28:28,634
he did. Yeah. Yeah. Because at songs, he

741
00:28:28,634 --> 00:28:30,095
was a poet. Mhmm.

742
00:28:30,394 --> 00:28:31,914
And then I think he got in the

743
00:28:31,914 --> 00:28:33,755
game and, like, it was he was, what,

744
00:28:33,755 --> 00:28:36,109
in his forties, his late forties when he

745
00:28:36,109 --> 00:28:37,569
decided to be a songwriter

746
00:28:37,869 --> 00:28:38,369
and

747
00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:39,329
and, but

748
00:28:42,670 --> 00:28:44,990
I I saw a documentary and he was

749
00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:47,009
seeing how him and Dylan got together.

750
00:28:47,424 --> 00:28:49,105
And Dylan said, I can write a song

751
00:28:49,105 --> 00:28:51,585
in, you know, five minutes or fifteen minutes,

752
00:28:51,585 --> 00:28:54,545
you know. And and and and then he

753
00:28:54,545 --> 00:28:56,644
said, well, I can write one in

754
00:28:57,025 --> 00:28:59,265
six months or something like that. Yeah. And

755
00:28:59,265 --> 00:29:01,139
he was lying. I read somewhere that he

756
00:29:01,139 --> 00:29:03,720
worked on Hallelujah for seven years. Yes.

757
00:29:04,259 --> 00:29:06,259
Yeah. Yeah. There I I read a thing

758
00:29:06,259 --> 00:29:06,899
about where,

759
00:29:07,940 --> 00:29:09,159
that his kids

760
00:29:09,619 --> 00:29:11,639
says, god, you know,

761
00:29:12,259 --> 00:29:15,154
please don't say anything about Hallelujah because he

762
00:29:15,154 --> 00:29:17,315
would change it through the years. Yeah. It

763
00:29:17,315 --> 00:29:18,835
it was daily. It was Yeah. That was

764
00:29:18,835 --> 00:29:20,434
the seven years part. Yeah. It was seven

765
00:29:20,434 --> 00:29:22,515
where it would go, okay. I like that.

766
00:29:22,515 --> 00:29:24,194
Well, no. I don't like that no more.

767
00:29:24,194 --> 00:29:26,515
So I wrote this one, you know. But,

768
00:29:27,075 --> 00:29:29,414
God, his songs, you know, it just,

769
00:29:31,109 --> 00:29:32,009
so powerful.

770
00:29:32,309 --> 00:29:33,769
Mhmm. You know? And,

771
00:29:35,589 --> 00:29:37,589
all those all those cast, man, they were

772
00:29:37,589 --> 00:29:38,490
just so gifted.

773
00:29:39,109 --> 00:29:40,089
I do, you know,

774
00:29:46,024 --> 00:29:46,264
But,

775
00:29:47,144 --> 00:29:48,365
you know, it's just

776
00:29:49,544 --> 00:29:51,964
the songs, those great songs, and

777
00:29:52,424 --> 00:29:53,164
to be

778
00:29:53,625 --> 00:29:55,544
a a song smith, I guess they call

779
00:29:55,544 --> 00:29:57,085
it Yeah. Kind of a thing

780
00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:58,440
and everything.

781
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:02,359
So it's it's so fun to talk,

782
00:30:03,299 --> 00:30:03,799
shop,

783
00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:06,340
the music and, like, the experience of life

784
00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:08,740
that you've had that, you know, maybe you

785
00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:11,080
don't play music, but yet you're still

786
00:30:11,384 --> 00:30:14,224
a connoisseur of music. I think so, yeah.

787
00:30:14,224 --> 00:30:16,765
Yeah. Well, yeah, you know, if it's good,

788
00:30:16,904 --> 00:30:18,525
if it's bad, did it touch?

789
00:30:20,345 --> 00:30:21,805
I've had cats. I never

790
00:30:22,904 --> 00:30:23,404
forget

791
00:30:24,025 --> 00:30:25,724
because I really don't get in

792
00:30:26,289 --> 00:30:28,609
because I'm always wrapped up in stuff and

793
00:30:28,609 --> 00:30:29,109
everything.

794
00:30:29,730 --> 00:30:32,049
It takes a lot for somebody to touch

795
00:30:32,049 --> 00:30:33,589
me, you know, and

796
00:30:34,049 --> 00:30:36,529
I was playing music with a guy that

797
00:30:36,529 --> 00:30:37,430
he was in,

798
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:41,990
god, he was part of the,

799
00:30:43,434 --> 00:30:45,434
was it Doobie Brothers or something like that?

800
00:30:45,434 --> 00:30:48,394
But he anyhow, he was in and out,

801
00:30:48,394 --> 00:30:49,375
loo dee doo.

802
00:30:50,394 --> 00:30:51,694
And he played,

803
00:30:52,714 --> 00:30:54,634
and when he did this song, and it

804
00:30:54,634 --> 00:30:57,210
just touched me. It just

805
00:30:58,150 --> 00:31:00,549
it just I was just engrossed in it.

806
00:31:00,549 --> 00:31:01,830
And I told him that. He goes, well,

807
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:03,769
I got a big blowjob. But, I mean,

808
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:05,769
it was just there's performances

809
00:31:06,150 --> 00:31:08,309
out there and and, like you say, the

810
00:31:08,309 --> 00:31:08,710
different,

811
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:10,410
the different people.

812
00:31:13,394 --> 00:31:15,174
Gosh. Yeah. I I just find,

813
00:31:16,115 --> 00:31:17,974
creativity just fascinating.

814
00:31:18,275 --> 00:31:20,115
I, like I said, I don't play an

815
00:31:20,115 --> 00:31:22,275
instrument. I don't know anything about playing or

816
00:31:22,275 --> 00:31:24,595
how it works or anything, but I I

817
00:31:24,595 --> 00:31:27,410
say, like, who decided that now is when

818
00:31:27,410 --> 00:31:29,730
the guitar comes in and he plays this

819
00:31:29,730 --> 00:31:32,210
and they and somehow they they seem to

820
00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:33,410
do it on the fly. I don't know

821
00:31:33,410 --> 00:31:35,109
if you must have seen from,

822
00:31:35,809 --> 00:31:37,410
Woodstock. I'm trying to think of

823
00:31:39,164 --> 00:31:42,525
Richie Havens. No. No. That's another one. Yeah.

824
00:31:42,525 --> 00:31:45,005
He he No. Who? Oh, can't think of

825
00:31:45,005 --> 00:31:46,225
the name. A,

826
00:31:48,285 --> 00:31:48,785
Santana.

827
00:31:49,244 --> 00:31:52,285
Yes. The song they didn't say. And Yeah.

828
00:31:52,365 --> 00:31:53,884
I can't remember the name of the song

829
00:31:53,884 --> 00:31:56,440
either, but that's like, nine minutes long.

830
00:31:56,980 --> 00:31:59,480
And I'm watching this thing, and, okay, Santana's

831
00:31:59,539 --> 00:32:02,339
playing. And then, like, magically, it goes over

832
00:32:02,339 --> 00:32:04,119
to somebody else, and then magically,

833
00:32:04,580 --> 00:32:06,339
it goes over to the drummer who does,

834
00:32:06,339 --> 00:32:06,839
like,

835
00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:08,839
an eight or nine minute solo.

836
00:32:09,924 --> 00:32:12,005
And somehow, somebody else in the band knew,

837
00:32:12,005 --> 00:32:13,924
oh, he's done now. Let's pick this up

838
00:32:13,924 --> 00:32:16,005
and do and and I've talked to band

839
00:32:16,005 --> 00:32:16,505
members

840
00:32:16,805 --> 00:32:18,565
about that, and they said, well you know,

841
00:32:18,565 --> 00:32:20,984
because that could not possibly have been rehearsed

842
00:32:21,045 --> 00:32:22,805
that you you do this Or no. As

843
00:32:22,805 --> 00:32:24,509
that. It was put together there.

844
00:32:24,990 --> 00:32:26,190
And they said, when you when you're in

845
00:32:26,190 --> 00:32:27,630
the groove and you I said, that's the

846
00:32:27,630 --> 00:32:29,710
way it works. He was It does. You

847
00:32:29,710 --> 00:32:30,509
go into a

848
00:32:31,070 --> 00:32:32,430
it's a it's really,

849
00:32:33,470 --> 00:32:35,890
like a trance. Because everybody gets

850
00:32:36,750 --> 00:32:37,730
sub subliminally,

851
00:32:38,924 --> 00:32:40,625
everyone's on the same page.

852
00:32:41,005 --> 00:32:43,565
And I've played when when I just did

853
00:32:43,565 --> 00:32:45,985
it and stopped, but the whole band stopped.

854
00:32:46,045 --> 00:32:46,545
Yeah.

855
00:32:49,085 --> 00:32:51,404
And so you and, you know, how'd they

856
00:32:51,404 --> 00:32:53,650
do that? Well, we just you just felt

857
00:32:53,650 --> 00:32:55,730
that you that you knew it was coming.

858
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:57,410
That was a you know, I I love

859
00:32:57,410 --> 00:32:59,009
telling the story. I had a I was

860
00:32:59,009 --> 00:33:00,769
a part of an eight piece rhythm and

861
00:33:00,769 --> 00:33:01,670
blues band,

862
00:33:02,049 --> 00:33:04,470
and it had the horns, it had trumpet

863
00:33:04,609 --> 00:33:05,830
bone, and sax,

864
00:33:06,865 --> 00:33:07,184
and,

865
00:33:07,984 --> 00:33:09,044
b three player,

866
00:33:09,825 --> 00:33:10,724
lead guitar,

867
00:33:11,585 --> 00:33:13,365
bass, drums, and then myself,

868
00:33:14,384 --> 00:33:16,325
lead singer with blowing harp.

869
00:33:17,505 --> 00:33:18,005
And

870
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,880
once you got past all the egos and

871
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,279
all the drama and everything, but you got

872
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:24,420
that thing pointed

873
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:26,179
to the right direction,

874
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,059
I'm telling you, brother Ray, that was the

875
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:30,579
that was the most

876
00:33:31,184 --> 00:33:34,784
strongest drug that you could ever ever experience.

877
00:33:34,784 --> 00:33:35,444
It just

878
00:33:36,464 --> 00:33:38,065
it was so good. But then, of course,

879
00:33:38,065 --> 00:33:39,984
it ends at the end of the song.

880
00:33:39,984 --> 00:33:41,505
You go then you're putting that, well, why

881
00:33:41,505 --> 00:33:43,184
don't you do this and you do that,

882
00:33:43,184 --> 00:33:45,960
you know? You mentioned egos. That's got that

883
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,600
has destroyed more bands probably than any

884
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,400
when you put four or five people together

885
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,059
that are

886
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,840
very creative, and creative people can be really

887
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:55,815
hard to deal with,

888
00:33:56,375 --> 00:33:58,934
And they all want theirs done this way

889
00:33:58,934 --> 00:34:00,075
or done that way. You

890
00:34:00,375 --> 00:34:02,394
know? Crosby, Stills, and Nash.

891
00:34:03,494 --> 00:34:05,815
You get you yeah. You get to sort

892
00:34:05,815 --> 00:34:06,474
of interrupting,

893
00:34:07,014 --> 00:34:08,154
but you get

894
00:34:08,980 --> 00:34:11,219
when it comes start when they start becoming

895
00:34:11,219 --> 00:34:11,719
successful

896
00:34:12,260 --> 00:34:12,700
Mhmm.

897
00:34:13,140 --> 00:34:16,260
Then there comes the problem. Yes. Because then

898
00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:19,000
they start taking it. They just take it.

899
00:34:19,059 --> 00:34:21,079
A good friend of mine that I

900
00:34:21,855 --> 00:34:23,635
I saw Three Dog Night

901
00:34:24,094 --> 00:34:24,974
back in,

902
00:34:26,655 --> 00:34:28,675
6970.

903
00:34:29,375 --> 00:34:31,135
And that was just when they come out

904
00:34:31,135 --> 00:34:31,375
with,

905
00:34:32,094 --> 00:34:32,755
you know,

906
00:34:34,369 --> 00:34:36,369
Easy to be Hard and all this stuff.

907
00:34:36,369 --> 00:34:37,750
Yeah. They had their first album.

908
00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:40,530
But they were the hot ticket and and

909
00:34:40,530 --> 00:34:43,750
they were cocky, but they were so bloody

910
00:34:43,809 --> 00:34:44,869
good. Yeah.

911
00:34:45,969 --> 00:34:48,150
Then they made zillions of dollars,

912
00:34:49,014 --> 00:34:50,715
and they were fighting and

913
00:34:51,414 --> 00:34:52,074
the lawyers.

914
00:34:52,375 --> 00:34:54,614
Yeah. The the lawyers are and like this,

915
00:34:54,614 --> 00:34:56,215
and the lawyers are going, yum, yum, yum.

916
00:34:56,215 --> 00:34:58,215
So the it got to where the singers

917
00:34:58,215 --> 00:35:01,349
were each suing each other, and then the

918
00:35:01,349 --> 00:35:02,490
singers were singing,

919
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:05,130
suing the the musicians. The musicians

920
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:07,750
were suing this I mean, it just and,

921
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:09,430
of course, it was largely dump dump dump

922
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:11,510
dump. They just ate it up, and it

923
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:14,454
just destroyed it. Yes. I don't I don't

924
00:35:14,454 --> 00:35:16,695
need you guys. I can do this myself.

925
00:35:16,695 --> 00:35:18,855
Yeah. That's right. Every now and then, they're

926
00:35:18,855 --> 00:35:21,175
right too. Some sometimes they somebody will break

927
00:35:21,175 --> 00:35:23,255
away from a big band and Wow. And

928
00:35:23,255 --> 00:35:24,554
they all actually work.

929
00:35:25,335 --> 00:35:26,934
Well, but it's a thing. Well, like, the

930
00:35:26,934 --> 00:35:28,315
Beatles, like, you know,

931
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:30,619
you know, Paul McCartney is Paul McCartney. I

932
00:35:30,619 --> 00:35:32,000
mean, he's just that gift

933
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:34,539
and all that, you know. The the the

934
00:35:34,539 --> 00:35:36,400
Beatles came out about, what, nineteen

935
00:35:36,780 --> 00:35:39,119
sixty three ish or something like that? Yeah.

936
00:35:39,260 --> 00:35:39,579
And,

937
00:35:40,715 --> 00:35:42,474
I was a big doo wop fan at

938
00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:45,215
the time. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. And

939
00:35:45,914 --> 00:35:47,755
I don't know. There's people talk about these

940
00:35:47,755 --> 00:35:49,675
these Beatles, and I'm listening on the radio.

941
00:35:49,675 --> 00:35:51,195
I wanna hold your hand, and I'd say,

942
00:35:51,195 --> 00:35:52,974
what the hell is this big deal here?

943
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,079
Because I was I was used to the

944
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:57,159
the the doo wop harmonies and things like

945
00:35:57,159 --> 00:35:58,679
that. I said, I don't even hear any

946
00:35:58,760 --> 00:35:59,260
anything.

947
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,739
And eventually, I did have to,

948
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:03,639
to give in to the fact that they

949
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:05,400
were pretty good. I gave in to that

950
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,339
fact about three or four weeks ago.

951
00:36:07,744 --> 00:36:08,644
But the heck

952
00:36:10,704 --> 00:36:11,925
I when

953
00:36:12,465 --> 00:36:13,585
when I used to,

954
00:36:14,144 --> 00:36:15,905
do my show and I I would play

955
00:36:15,905 --> 00:36:17,744
a Beatles song, I would always play an

956
00:36:17,744 --> 00:36:20,385
alternate song because I said, everybody does their

957
00:36:20,385 --> 00:36:23,230
music better than they do. They had great

958
00:36:23,230 --> 00:36:24,130
lyrics and,

959
00:36:25,309 --> 00:36:27,390
there again though, the egos got away. And

960
00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:27,890
then,

961
00:36:28,750 --> 00:36:30,829
I remember Ringo Starr saying at one point,

962
00:36:30,829 --> 00:36:32,829
he says, well, I know we were riding

963
00:36:32,829 --> 00:36:34,050
high. I hope I hope

964
00:36:34,445 --> 00:36:36,364
we lasted long enough for me to save

965
00:36:36,364 --> 00:36:38,224
up enough money to buy

966
00:36:38,684 --> 00:36:40,385
a beauty parlor. I tell them.

967
00:36:42,364 --> 00:36:44,684
Well, that's true because it it just, you

968
00:36:44,684 --> 00:36:45,585
know, it just

969
00:36:45,885 --> 00:36:47,344
it just blows up.

970
00:36:47,909 --> 00:36:49,829
And you're here are these cats that they

971
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:50,329
they

972
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:53,069
when they went to, was it, Hamburg, Germany

973
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:55,670
Yeah. And then they learned their craft and

974
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:57,989
playing the music to and lived their their

975
00:36:57,989 --> 00:37:00,650
lives together. They're brothers. You know? They bonded.

976
00:37:01,284 --> 00:37:03,125
And when they come back by, they was

977
00:37:03,284 --> 00:37:05,925
they just like we're talking about the, thing

978
00:37:05,925 --> 00:37:08,005
with the Robert Johnson. They come back, man.

979
00:37:08,005 --> 00:37:10,085
Those cats were bad to the ball. Yeah.

980
00:37:10,085 --> 00:37:11,925
I mean, they were just they were popped,

981
00:37:11,925 --> 00:37:14,324
but they were they had it down. Everything

982
00:37:14,324 --> 00:37:16,184
was right where it belonged. Yeah. And,

983
00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:18,079
but then

984
00:37:18,619 --> 00:37:19,680
then you slap

985
00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:21,440
millions of dollars

986
00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:23,660
to each one of them. Yeah. And I

987
00:37:23,740 --> 00:37:26,059
well, wait a minute here. Maybe I don't

988
00:37:26,059 --> 00:37:28,300
need this guy. I don't need that. I

989
00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:30,539
hear it like this, and it should be

990
00:37:30,539 --> 00:37:31,280
like that.

991
00:37:31,855 --> 00:37:32,355
And,

992
00:37:33,454 --> 00:37:34,994
then that era,

993
00:37:35,375 --> 00:37:36,255
it finally goes

994
00:37:37,215 --> 00:37:39,155
it just it comes to the end.

995
00:37:39,454 --> 00:37:41,795
That was it. Here's the block. It was.

996
00:37:42,335 --> 00:37:44,755
Yeah. Now what do these people do on?

997
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:45,900
I mean, look

998
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:48,760
at George Harrison was turned out to be

999
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,059
a great songwriter

1000
00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:53,159
Yeah. And singer. Did he write many songs

1001
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:55,639
for The Beatles? Well, they wouldn't let him,

1002
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:58,375
I I heard. I mean, he'd he'd get

1003
00:37:58,375 --> 00:38:00,795
one in every time. You know, tax man.

1004
00:38:00,855 --> 00:38:02,375
Every once in a while, he'd get one

1005
00:38:02,375 --> 00:38:04,315
in. Not like the Lennon McCartney

1006
00:38:05,174 --> 00:38:07,414
thing. You know what the interesting thing about

1007
00:38:07,414 --> 00:38:09,929
the Beatles breakup was? The first Beatle

1008
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:12,650
to have a hit record on his own

1009
00:38:13,110 --> 00:38:14,630
was Ringo Starr. He was

1010
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:19,030
oh, yeah. It just,

1011
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:22,469
And I've also heard a friend of mine's

1012
00:38:22,469 --> 00:38:24,010
a drummer, and he said that

1013
00:38:24,364 --> 00:38:25,105
he saw

1014
00:38:25,484 --> 00:38:27,664
this famous drummer from from the forties,

1015
00:38:28,284 --> 00:38:30,605
being interviewed on Johnny Carson or something like

1016
00:38:30,605 --> 00:38:32,764
that. And he asked him who the greatest

1017
00:38:32,764 --> 00:38:35,344
drummer was, and he said Ringo Starr. Yeah.

1018
00:38:35,644 --> 00:38:37,585
Well, that was it. He had a reputation.

1019
00:38:38,429 --> 00:38:40,269
That's why they brought him in because I

1020
00:38:40,269 --> 00:38:40,769
guess

1021
00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:41,889
the drummer

1022
00:38:42,670 --> 00:38:44,909
guy was real good looking guy. Yeah. He

1023
00:38:44,909 --> 00:38:47,250
got all the girls, and he could play,

1024
00:38:47,710 --> 00:38:49,469
but they needed He still worked at the

1025
00:38:49,469 --> 00:38:52,445
post office. Yeah. That's right. He just retired.

1026
00:38:52,825 --> 00:38:54,125
He got his watch.

1027
00:38:55,945 --> 00:38:56,605
You know? And,

1028
00:39:00,025 --> 00:39:01,965
but, what's his name? The Brian

1029
00:39:02,344 --> 00:39:03,244
guy that

1030
00:39:04,505 --> 00:39:05,885
created him really,

1031
00:39:08,420 --> 00:39:10,839
He knew that they had to have

1032
00:39:11,299 --> 00:39:13,719
that balance, they had to have that. And

1033
00:39:14,179 --> 00:39:16,339
and Star, I read a thing that he

1034
00:39:16,339 --> 00:39:18,119
did, he had impeccable

1035
00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:18,920
rhythm,

1036
00:39:20,015 --> 00:39:21,695
impeccable. Uh-huh. And,

1037
00:39:23,135 --> 00:39:25,454
that's made the difference. That's what they needed.

1038
00:39:25,454 --> 00:39:27,295
They created all the deal, and he's right

1039
00:39:27,295 --> 00:39:29,855
there. That, and speaking of that is, like

1040
00:39:29,855 --> 00:39:31,855
I said, a real, real good friend of

1041
00:39:31,855 --> 00:39:32,219
mine,

1042
00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:35,920
and then unfortunately, he oh, he's passed away,

1043
00:39:36,219 --> 00:39:38,380
was Floyd Snead, the original drummer of Three

1044
00:39:38,380 --> 00:39:40,460
Dog Nights. Uh-huh. And he's the big black

1045
00:39:40,460 --> 00:39:40,960
cat,

1046
00:39:41,420 --> 00:39:43,920
and he played the double bass drums and

1047
00:39:44,059 --> 00:39:45,519
but he played polyrhythms.

1048
00:39:46,815 --> 00:39:47,855
And the cat that,

1049
00:39:48,574 --> 00:39:50,574
brought him into it was Joe Shermy, the

1050
00:39:50,574 --> 00:39:53,474
bass player. Uh-huh. And I had the honor,

1051
00:39:53,855 --> 00:39:55,855
the privilege to play music with them, and

1052
00:39:55,855 --> 00:39:57,695
I'd stop him. I said, well, that's the

1053
00:39:57,695 --> 00:39:59,474
reason why you had all the hits because

1054
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:01,960
when you get a drummer and a bass

1055
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,940
player playing

1056
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,139
like that,

1057
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:06,779
they're locked up, it's very hypnotic.

1058
00:40:07,319 --> 00:40:08,299
And they were.

1059
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:09,739
See, so Joe

1060
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:11,259
could play,

1061
00:40:12,279 --> 00:40:13,880
to the to to those,

1062
00:40:14,894 --> 00:40:15,394
polyrhythms.

1063
00:40:15,934 --> 00:40:17,614
And that's where all those hits and it

1064
00:40:17,614 --> 00:40:19,215
went well. But then,

1065
00:40:21,295 --> 00:40:23,315
the singers didn't like Joe

1066
00:40:23,614 --> 00:40:25,535
because Joe was a good old boy from

1067
00:40:25,535 --> 00:40:28,449
Texas, and he didn't put up with all

1068
00:40:28,449 --> 00:40:29,110
this fancy

1069
00:40:29,890 --> 00:40:31,510
dancy being I'm so super

1070
00:40:31,809 --> 00:40:34,610
thing and a good old boy. Uh-huh. And

1071
00:40:34,610 --> 00:40:36,309
so they got rid of Joe.

1072
00:40:36,610 --> 00:40:37,969
The minute they got rid of him, that

1073
00:40:37,969 --> 00:40:40,050
was the last hit they ever had Wow.

1074
00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:40,949
Ever had.

1075
00:40:41,295 --> 00:40:43,534
And it was and they they tried to

1076
00:40:43,534 --> 00:40:44,034
find

1077
00:40:44,494 --> 00:40:47,135
a bass player that could play to Floyd,

1078
00:40:47,135 --> 00:40:48,974
and they couldn't. So they had to get

1079
00:40:48,974 --> 00:40:49,795
rid of Floyd.

1080
00:40:50,335 --> 00:40:52,014
And now they have Oh, wow. Yeah. And

1081
00:40:52,014 --> 00:40:53,875
another stuff that wore it out. So that's,

1082
00:40:54,014 --> 00:40:55,554
you know, that chemistry

1083
00:40:56,094 --> 00:40:56,594
Mhmm.

1084
00:40:57,019 --> 00:40:59,179
Of, like, you were saying, like, the Beatles.

1085
00:40:59,179 --> 00:41:01,039
I mean, there's Ringo Starr was

1086
00:41:01,659 --> 00:41:03,900
they got rid of the the one guy,

1087
00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:06,300
and they couldn't believe that they got whatever

1088
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:07,280
his name was,

1089
00:41:08,699 --> 00:41:11,260
Most or something, Mickey Most. Was it Bobby

1090
00:41:11,260 --> 00:41:13,284
something? Or Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. But

1091
00:41:13,284 --> 00:41:15,605
but boy, when they ring over Best. Pete

1092
00:41:15,605 --> 00:41:17,565
Best. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. You have

1093
00:41:17,565 --> 00:41:17,844
a bad

1094
00:41:19,605 --> 00:41:20,105
alright.

1095
00:41:22,565 --> 00:41:24,724
Okay. We got we got the control room

1096
00:41:24,724 --> 00:41:26,324
thinking they're part of the show here. I

1097
00:41:26,324 --> 00:41:28,025
don't understand what this is.

1098
00:41:28,460 --> 00:41:30,380
We could have a People just can't stay

1099
00:41:30,380 --> 00:41:32,619
in their place. Let me, let me Everybody

1100
00:41:32,619 --> 00:41:33,920
everybody wants to be

1101
00:41:34,219 --> 00:41:36,239
on the on the on the radio.

1102
00:41:36,699 --> 00:41:38,159
Let me do this. I'm gonna,

1103
00:41:39,579 --> 00:41:41,900
I'll play a little harmonica thing. Yeah. We've

1104
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:42,525
got about

1105
00:41:43,085 --> 00:41:44,525
fifteen minutes you can fill with,

1106
00:41:45,404 --> 00:41:46,144
your music.

1107
00:41:46,764 --> 00:41:47,085
Well

1108
00:41:47,804 --> 00:41:49,404
So where were you gonna be playing in

1109
00:41:49,404 --> 00:41:51,424
the near future that we could go see?

1110
00:41:51,885 --> 00:41:53,424
Let's see. Where am I?

1111
00:41:55,569 --> 00:41:57,250
Well, I'm gonna be at the,

1112
00:41:57,809 --> 00:42:00,309
Umbrella Farms here next month.

1113
00:42:02,049 --> 00:42:02,449
I,

1114
00:42:03,089 --> 00:42:05,409
I've never been to that and I hear

1115
00:42:05,409 --> 00:42:06,150
all the musicians

1116
00:42:06,609 --> 00:42:08,130
raving about it, so it must be a

1117
00:42:08,130 --> 00:42:10,974
good year. So cool, man. Yeah. Just two

1118
00:42:10,974 --> 00:42:13,875
miles from my house. It's it's 15

1119
00:42:14,175 --> 00:42:14,675
acres.

1120
00:42:15,214 --> 00:42:16,514
Uh-huh. And this

1121
00:42:16,894 --> 00:42:19,135
young guy, I say young, I'm He's one

1122
00:42:19,135 --> 00:42:21,775
of my neighbors. Yeah. Yeah. Really nice guy.

1123
00:42:21,775 --> 00:42:22,275
Uh-huh.

1124
00:42:22,590 --> 00:42:25,470
But, man, they're just making it's so cool

1125
00:42:25,470 --> 00:42:27,630
because you it's an it's an event. You

1126
00:42:27,630 --> 00:42:29,650
go there and he he

1127
00:42:30,349 --> 00:42:32,989
it's just huge and he's revamping it and

1128
00:42:32,989 --> 00:42:34,910
getting things going, but he's buying the music

1129
00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:36,849
and there's a little cafe and there's

1130
00:42:37,224 --> 00:42:38,525
this and stuff and

1131
00:42:41,464 --> 00:42:43,164
but, I'll be there.

1132
00:42:44,025 --> 00:42:45,244
Let's see. I,

1133
00:42:46,264 --> 00:42:47,565
I'm gonna be

1134
00:42:47,864 --> 00:42:48,364
busking

1135
00:42:49,464 --> 00:42:50,844
over at Kuntai

1136
00:42:51,545 --> 00:42:52,660
Mhmm. Here.

1137
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,519
I play a lot, let's see. When is

1138
00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:56,579
that? That's next

1139
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,539
a week from this coming Saturday, two weeks.

1140
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:02,180
And,

1141
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:05,300
I'll be there.

1142
00:43:05,744 --> 00:43:07,585
I play a lot I have the honor

1143
00:43:07,585 --> 00:43:10,704
to play at these assisted living places Oh.

1144
00:43:10,784 --> 00:43:12,085
And stuff. And,

1145
00:43:13,025 --> 00:43:14,944
I play in there. I'm gonna play at

1146
00:43:14,944 --> 00:43:16,005
the Azalea,

1147
00:43:18,224 --> 00:43:18,724
festival

1148
00:43:19,289 --> 00:43:22,090
and Uh-huh. The big Azalea up in the,

1149
00:43:22,410 --> 00:43:24,410
you know, your park up there, which has

1150
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:26,969
the the dome like the shell, like the

1151
00:43:26,969 --> 00:43:29,309
Hollywood Bowl. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do you,

1152
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:32,809
at the assisted living places, you must find

1153
00:43:32,809 --> 00:43:34,750
a lot about people who appreciate

1154
00:43:35,304 --> 00:43:37,864
your music and the time period. Yeah. It's

1155
00:43:37,864 --> 00:43:39,085
so it's

1156
00:43:39,864 --> 00:43:41,724
I finally got it. You know?

1157
00:43:42,824 --> 00:43:45,224
I've been real fortunate at my age that

1158
00:43:45,224 --> 00:43:47,065
I can still play and I can still

1159
00:43:47,065 --> 00:43:47,565
sing.

1160
00:43:48,664 --> 00:43:49,164
And

1161
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,900
it's my thing is now sharing

1162
00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:55,380
that. Mhmm. Before it was

1163
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:56,659
always trying

1164
00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:00,339
to get there, to be something, be somebody.

1165
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:02,179
And I never

1166
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:05,894
quite could hang with it all. I've I've

1167
00:44:05,894 --> 00:44:08,554
been gifted to to be able to

1168
00:44:09,015 --> 00:44:12,054
possibly have the talent to do it, but

1169
00:44:12,054 --> 00:44:14,454
to hang on to it and and play

1170
00:44:14,454 --> 00:44:17,094
the game. And I just I've I don't

1171
00:44:17,094 --> 00:44:20,295
do well with agents, booking agents and stuff.

1172
00:44:20,295 --> 00:44:20,855
Uh-huh. I just

1173
00:44:21,659 --> 00:44:22,400
I like

1174
00:44:23,019 --> 00:44:24,940
to say what I'm gonna do, and then

1175
00:44:24,940 --> 00:44:26,880
I go do it as opposed to somebody

1176
00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:28,859
booking me and telling me how to do

1177
00:44:28,859 --> 00:44:30,699
it. You know? I went to a tribute

1178
00:44:30,699 --> 00:44:32,380
show a while ago. I hate tribute shows

1179
00:44:32,380 --> 00:44:34,539
for the most part. Do. And I don't

1180
00:44:34,539 --> 00:44:36,400
remember even who this guy was

1181
00:44:36,924 --> 00:44:38,385
a tribute to. But anyway

1182
00:44:39,724 --> 00:44:41,404
and I think he only sang one or

1183
00:44:41,404 --> 00:44:43,885
two songs by the by that album, but

1184
00:44:43,885 --> 00:44:45,904
but he kept saying things like remember

1185
00:44:46,605 --> 00:44:48,784
record players when you and

1186
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,440
sitting there being insulted. I said, this guy

1187
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,260
thinks he's

1188
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,640
what? I don't know. He's 50 years old

1189
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:56,780
or 30 years old.

1190
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,019
Hey, you old folks out there.

1191
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,719
I felt like I was in an assisted

1192
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,019
living home with him.

1193
00:45:04,114 --> 00:45:05,954
Now can I tie can I straighten your

1194
00:45:05,954 --> 00:45:07,815
napkin for you? Yeah. No kidding.

1195
00:45:08,835 --> 00:45:10,534
Yeah. Go there and do what you do.

1196
00:45:10,594 --> 00:45:12,835
Well, and that's in the like you say,

1197
00:45:12,835 --> 00:45:15,860
the tribute thing. Because all you know? And

1198
00:45:15,860 --> 00:45:16,920
people, oh, they

1199
00:45:17,219 --> 00:45:19,780
sound just like, yeah, okay. Yeah. When I

1200
00:45:19,780 --> 00:45:22,019
started out as just a kid, a pimply

1201
00:45:22,019 --> 00:45:22,920
headed kid,

1202
00:45:23,539 --> 00:45:24,519
I could sing

1203
00:45:25,219 --> 00:45:28,925
something sound like Eric Burdon. Mhmm. So I

1204
00:45:28,925 --> 00:45:31,005
was the big hot setup, and I get,

1205
00:45:31,005 --> 00:45:33,324
you know, invited to parties and stuff. I

1206
00:45:33,324 --> 00:45:34,144
sing Eric

1207
00:45:34,445 --> 00:45:36,364
Burton. And of course, my stroke of my

1208
00:45:36,364 --> 00:45:38,285
ego, as a little kid, I wanted to

1209
00:45:38,285 --> 00:45:40,284
be I wanted to be a part of

1210
00:45:40,284 --> 00:45:42,304
it. Then I realized, well,

1211
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:44,789
the hell with that. You know? I mean,

1212
00:45:44,789 --> 00:45:46,949
all I'm doing is just making Eric burn

1213
00:45:46,949 --> 00:45:49,210
me better. I mean, I'm promoting

1214
00:45:49,909 --> 00:45:53,029
his shtick. Yeah. So And often you go

1215
00:45:53,029 --> 00:45:54,949
to those things and they're singing songs you're

1216
00:45:54,949 --> 00:45:56,949
kinda halfway sick of anyway because you've been

1217
00:45:56,949 --> 00:45:58,684
hearing them for years, and they don't do

1218
00:45:58,684 --> 00:45:59,585
them as well.

1219
00:45:59,885 --> 00:46:00,545
You're you're

1220
00:46:01,485 --> 00:46:03,005
Now we had a we had a we

1221
00:46:03,005 --> 00:46:04,385
had a band here that

1222
00:46:04,684 --> 00:46:05,724
I think they've all,

1223
00:46:06,125 --> 00:46:09,164
scattered to the four winds. It was called,

1224
00:46:09,485 --> 00:46:10,465
Fleetwood Back.

1225
00:46:11,380 --> 00:46:13,539
They had a a lead singer who still

1226
00:46:13,539 --> 00:46:15,320
lives in the community and then another

1227
00:46:16,099 --> 00:46:19,219
female singer who also still lives, and they

1228
00:46:19,219 --> 00:46:20,280
had great musicians.

1229
00:46:21,380 --> 00:46:23,800
And they could have no problem at all

1230
00:46:23,954 --> 00:46:26,275
toured as a tribute band anywhere in the

1231
00:46:26,275 --> 00:46:28,755
country. They were really, really good. But they

1232
00:46:28,755 --> 00:46:30,515
all had their own jobs, and they all

1233
00:46:30,515 --> 00:46:32,515
had this and that. Nobody wanted to quit

1234
00:46:32,515 --> 00:46:34,135
their job to go travel,

1235
00:46:34,515 --> 00:46:36,675
but they were really amazing. And they were

1236
00:46:36,675 --> 00:46:38,994
singing Fleetwood Mac songs, which you hardly ever

1237
00:46:38,994 --> 00:46:41,030
get tired of. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Well, yeah.

1238
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:42,010
Because they were just

1239
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:44,230
But they talk about egos. There was a

1240
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:45,849
band with with with egos.

1241
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:48,469
Well, you can imagine with all the money,

1242
00:46:48,469 --> 00:46:50,710
you have all the money. They stick you

1243
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:52,570
in a room with all the cocaine.

1244
00:46:52,869 --> 00:46:54,434
And who is the star?

1245
00:46:54,734 --> 00:46:57,074
Yeah. Right. Which one? Who is it? Yeah.

1246
00:46:57,295 --> 00:46:59,694
Because it was his it was they were

1247
00:46:59,694 --> 00:47:02,335
all just bloody good. What was the guitar

1248
00:47:02,335 --> 00:47:03,795
player's name? I can't remember.

1249
00:47:04,894 --> 00:47:07,375
Well, yeah. He's, The main guitar player who

1250
00:47:07,375 --> 00:47:08,194
wrote it? Yeah.

1251
00:47:09,869 --> 00:47:10,690
Oh, gosh.

1252
00:47:12,429 --> 00:47:13,730
And, anyway, he

1253
00:47:14,030 --> 00:47:14,530
was,

1254
00:47:16,109 --> 00:47:18,589
Stevie Nicks' boyfriend. Yes. And they had a

1255
00:47:18,589 --> 00:47:20,769
band that they were doing a recording.

1256
00:47:21,164 --> 00:47:23,565
And Mick Fleetwood approached him one day and

1257
00:47:23,565 --> 00:47:25,085
he says, I'd like you to come play

1258
00:47:25,085 --> 00:47:25,744
with us.

1259
00:47:26,364 --> 00:47:27,965
I says, well, I can do that, but

1260
00:47:27,965 --> 00:47:30,204
you have to take my girlfriend too. Yeah.

1261
00:47:30,204 --> 00:47:31,585
And then Wow.

1262
00:47:34,285 --> 00:47:36,224
Well, that's how it that's how it happens.

1263
00:47:36,285 --> 00:47:38,579
Yeah. And she had the shtick, and she

1264
00:47:38,579 --> 00:47:40,900
still does. Everybody still loves her. Yes. She's

1265
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:42,980
ornery and everything. She can still sing? Oh,

1266
00:47:42,980 --> 00:47:45,619
man. Yeah. You know? And it's just everything

1267
00:47:45,619 --> 00:47:45,940
that

1268
00:47:46,739 --> 00:47:49,559
so anyhow, this harmonica I've been playing harmonica

1269
00:47:49,619 --> 00:47:51,639
for many, many, many moons.

1270
00:47:52,204 --> 00:47:54,625
I got turned on to this, back

1271
00:47:55,005 --> 00:47:57,005
when I just got out of high school

1272
00:47:57,005 --> 00:48:00,385
in '66. I graduated in '60 1966.

1273
00:48:01,005 --> 00:48:01,824
And I was

1274
00:48:02,284 --> 00:48:04,284
and that was right when the Vietnam thing

1275
00:48:04,284 --> 00:48:05,724
was going on. And I knew I was

1276
00:48:05,724 --> 00:48:08,469
gonna go in the service, you know. And,

1277
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:11,910
so I was in garage bands, and and

1278
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:13,769
we were the best band in the garage,

1279
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:16,070
but it would change about every two weeks.

1280
00:48:16,070 --> 00:48:17,750
New people would come on board, the other

1281
00:48:17,989 --> 00:48:18,650
Mhmm. Leaving.

1282
00:48:19,110 --> 00:48:21,430
One day, this drummer calls me up and

1283
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:23,275
he goes, hey, man. You gotta come over

1284
00:48:23,275 --> 00:48:24,474
and listen to this. And I go, what

1285
00:48:24,474 --> 00:48:26,554
is it? And he goes, I'm not gonna

1286
00:48:26,554 --> 00:48:27,914
tell you. You gotta come over and listen.

1287
00:48:27,914 --> 00:48:29,994
And it was the Paul Butterfield Blues Band.

1288
00:48:29,994 --> 00:48:31,375
Oh, wow. And

1289
00:48:31,675 --> 00:48:33,594
when I heard that, I ran out and

1290
00:48:33,594 --> 00:48:35,929
literally bought a harp for a buck and

1291
00:48:35,929 --> 00:48:36,589
a quarter.

1292
00:48:37,049 --> 00:48:38,730
I couldn't play a lick, but, boy, I

1293
00:48:38,730 --> 00:48:40,650
had all the moves. You know? And I

1294
00:48:40,650 --> 00:48:42,989
let Paul play on the on the album,

1295
00:48:43,369 --> 00:48:46,329
and I just, you know Yeah. Mimicked it

1296
00:48:46,329 --> 00:48:47,069
and everything.

1297
00:48:47,534 --> 00:48:48,034
But

1298
00:48:49,295 --> 00:48:51,054
I just took to it and I just

1299
00:48:51,054 --> 00:48:51,554
couldn't

1300
00:48:52,094 --> 00:48:53,934
leave it alone. And then I went into

1301
00:48:53,934 --> 00:48:55,875
the service and I started

1302
00:48:56,414 --> 00:48:59,135
buying albums, anything that had harmonica on it.

1303
00:48:59,135 --> 00:49:00,355
And that's how I learned

1304
00:49:00,815 --> 00:49:01,714
different positions,

1305
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,619
excuse me, that I found out that,

1306
00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:08,519
you know, they can play in different keys

1307
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:10,599
on the one harmonica, and I didn't know

1308
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:11,099
that.

1309
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,519
And then these different players, that's how I

1310
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:17,284
got turned on to a lot of these

1311
00:49:17,344 --> 00:49:21,125
great, great players, you know, Johnny Musselwhite and

1312
00:49:21,344 --> 00:49:21,744
and,

1313
00:49:22,465 --> 00:49:23,684
you know, of course, Butterfield

1314
00:49:24,065 --> 00:49:24,565
and,

1315
00:49:26,704 --> 00:49:28,565
and just the Seagull Shaw

1316
00:49:28,864 --> 00:49:29,925
Shaw band,

1317
00:49:30,489 --> 00:49:31,530
you know, and,

1318
00:49:32,809 --> 00:49:34,269
I just loved it. So

1319
00:49:34,969 --> 00:49:37,369
I stick stuck with it. And now I've

1320
00:49:37,369 --> 00:49:39,849
I've, I just been playing for, gosh, over

1321
00:49:39,849 --> 00:49:41,610
fifty years. And it's The army would be

1322
00:49:41,610 --> 00:49:43,130
a good place to do that too because

1323
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:45,454
you could just stick it in your pocket

1324
00:49:45,994 --> 00:49:47,595
and and Well, that was it. I'd take

1325
00:49:47,595 --> 00:49:50,155
it and drive people nuts. But myself, I

1326
00:49:50,155 --> 00:49:52,095
can I when I started,

1327
00:49:52,474 --> 00:49:54,015
I was in sub school

1328
00:49:54,555 --> 00:49:56,474
and in the barracks, and it was in

1329
00:49:56,474 --> 00:49:59,115
New London, Connecticut, which is, you know, like,

1330
00:49:59,115 --> 00:49:59,434
out in,

1331
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:03,500
the forest and stuff? And I'd go out

1332
00:50:03,559 --> 00:50:06,359
outside and and go out and look around

1333
00:50:06,359 --> 00:50:08,359
and get in this little area here, make

1334
00:50:08,359 --> 00:50:09,960
sure no one could hear me. And I

1335
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,179
could play one note

1336
00:50:13,825 --> 00:50:16,085
and drive myself nuts, but then I go.

1337
00:50:18,945 --> 00:50:21,105
Uh-oh. Now you got a song. Then I

1338
00:50:21,105 --> 00:50:21,605
go.

1339
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,160
And then I got and it just and

1340
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,660
it developed and developed and developed. And

1341
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,880
I've already I've been fortunate to have a

1342
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,579
good ear, so I was able

1343
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,039
to clean it up to make it worth

1344
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:36,539
sounding.

1345
00:50:58,099 --> 00:50:59,539
You know, kind of a thing. And and

1346
00:50:59,539 --> 00:51:02,500
it just, it's been such a great, great

1347
00:51:02,500 --> 00:51:03,000
friend

1348
00:51:03,684 --> 00:51:04,744
to me because,

1349
00:51:06,964 --> 00:51:10,085
it's to me, it plays now it plays

1350
00:51:10,085 --> 00:51:10,585
itself,

1351
00:51:11,125 --> 00:51:13,525
which means that I'll start out with a

1352
00:51:13,525 --> 00:51:14,184
a tone,

1353
00:51:14,804 --> 00:51:17,559
and then the tone gives me another idea

1354
00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:18,059
instead

1355
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,519
of I don't like the I like what

1356
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,599
when we started the the,

1357
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,579
the show here, and you're talking about how

1358
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,039
those cats could just go from one thing,

1359
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:31,019
Santana. Yes. Well, that's that's it.

1360
00:51:32,835 --> 00:51:35,235
The the the note and then it something

1361
00:51:35,235 --> 00:51:37,875
else comes on to and you go from

1362
00:51:37,875 --> 00:51:40,675
that note. It isn't it isn't something rehearsed.

1363
00:51:40,675 --> 00:51:41,655
I just cannot,

1364
00:51:42,994 --> 00:51:45,710
play. I have a wonderful story. One of

1365
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:46,530
the finest

1366
00:51:46,909 --> 00:51:49,489
harmonica players that ever lived was Sonny Terry,

1367
00:51:49,550 --> 00:51:50,609
and he was a black

1368
00:51:50,989 --> 00:51:51,489
guy.

1369
00:51:52,750 --> 00:51:53,250
Okay.

1370
00:51:54,030 --> 00:51:55,869
He was a black guy and he was

1371
00:51:55,869 --> 00:51:56,369
blind.

1372
00:51:56,755 --> 00:51:59,315
And he was with Brownie McGhee, which Brownie

1373
00:51:59,315 --> 00:52:01,574
McGhee was this really great

1374
00:52:01,954 --> 00:52:03,574
blues singer, guitarist.

1375
00:52:04,275 --> 00:52:06,755
And then Sonny Terry, he blew harp, or

1376
00:52:06,755 --> 00:52:08,215
so was the Brownie McGhee.

1377
00:52:09,570 --> 00:52:11,670
Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee. Well, anyhow,

1378
00:52:12,450 --> 00:52:14,130
they were in New York and they were

1379
00:52:14,130 --> 00:52:15,349
down probably,

1380
00:52:16,289 --> 00:52:18,610
in the black area there and playing a

1381
00:52:18,610 --> 00:52:19,110
corner.

1382
00:52:19,809 --> 00:52:22,210
Some guy drove by, a white guy drove

1383
00:52:22,210 --> 00:52:23,890
by and he heard them. So he come

1384
00:52:23,890 --> 00:52:25,864
back and he listened to them. And he

1385
00:52:25,864 --> 00:52:26,844
happened to be,

1386
00:52:28,025 --> 00:52:32,045
affiliated with a Broadway show called Finnegan's Rainbow.

1387
00:52:32,264 --> 00:52:33,724
Uh-huh. And so

1388
00:52:34,105 --> 00:52:36,184
he goes, god, these cats would be really

1389
00:52:36,184 --> 00:52:38,984
good as a a side thing Mhmm. To

1390
00:52:38,984 --> 00:52:39,724
the play.

1391
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,619
So they hire them.

1392
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,559
So okay. That I do. And they they

1393
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:47,360
go to this. Well, they're rehearsing. Well, these

1394
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,239
cats never rehearse. They just play. It kinda

1395
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,160
goes like this. Okay. And they make it

1396
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,380
up right as they go.

1397
00:52:55,804 --> 00:52:57,724
So every time that they did it, the

1398
00:52:57,724 --> 00:52:58,525
song, it would,

1399
00:52:59,324 --> 00:53:02,704
he'd he'd Sonny Terry would play it different.

1400
00:53:03,404 --> 00:53:05,664
And finally, the director goes, I'm sorry,

1401
00:53:05,964 --> 00:53:08,909
you know, mister Terry, but you've gotta play

1402
00:53:08,909 --> 00:53:11,309
it like this because everything is arranged like

1403
00:53:11,309 --> 00:53:13,550
that. He goes, hey, man. I can't you

1404
00:53:13,550 --> 00:53:15,889
know, I just play and everything.

1405
00:53:16,349 --> 00:53:18,269
And and then one of the the guy

1406
00:53:18,269 --> 00:53:20,369
that I think hired him leaned over and

1407
00:53:20,989 --> 00:53:22,510
There's one minute left. The one and a

1408
00:53:22,510 --> 00:53:23,885
half minutes left. Left. Okay.

1409
00:53:24,344 --> 00:53:26,344
Yeah. Leaned over and told him how much

1410
00:53:26,344 --> 00:53:28,265
money that they were getting paid. He goes,

1411
00:53:28,265 --> 00:53:29,864
hey, man. Don't worry about it. I can

1412
00:53:29,864 --> 00:53:30,364
let

1413
00:53:30,905 --> 00:53:32,664
end of story. So He's like that,

1414
00:53:33,144 --> 00:53:35,545
oh, what's his name? Freeman, the guy that

1415
00:53:35,545 --> 00:53:36,605
used to do the comedy

1416
00:53:37,784 --> 00:53:39,849
records. Yeah. Yeah. And he's he's got the

1417
00:53:39,849 --> 00:53:42,090
piano player playing one note over and over

1418
00:53:42,090 --> 00:53:42,829
and over again.

1419
00:53:43,769 --> 00:53:45,150
And and he keep,

1420
00:53:46,409 --> 00:53:48,170
breaking off into a blues riff, and he

1421
00:53:48,170 --> 00:53:49,869
says, you have to play one.

1422
00:53:50,170 --> 00:53:52,545
He says, I can't play one note, man.

1423
00:53:52,864 --> 00:53:54,964
And Freeman says, well, you know,

1424
00:53:55,744 --> 00:53:57,184
if you don't play the music, you're not

1425
00:53:57,184 --> 00:53:59,284
gonna get paid. He immediately snorted.

1426
00:54:00,065 --> 00:54:02,464
Okay. I get it. Anyway, we're down to

1427
00:54:02,464 --> 00:54:04,464
less than a minute now. Any final words

1428
00:54:04,464 --> 00:54:06,710
for the audience? Well, thank you so very

1429
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:08,549
much, brother. Oh, thank you. It was it

1430
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:11,109
was just such a pleasure to really get

1431
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:12,250
to know you, you know.

1432
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:15,289
We enjoyed having you here. Yes.

1433
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:16,150
Down to,

1434
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:19,210
twenty eight minutes or twenty eight seconds here.