1 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,519 Hi, and welcome KCIW listeners at one hundred 2 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:17,304 point seven FM or online at kciw.org, 3 00:00:17,304 --> 00:00:20,425 Brookings, Oregon. Hi to our syndicated listeners at 4 00:00:20,425 --> 00:00:20,925 KZZH 5 00:00:21,625 --> 00:00:25,005 ninety six point seven FM Access Humboldt, Eureka, 6 00:00:25,064 --> 00:00:25,564 California, 7 00:00:26,105 --> 00:00:27,964 and our listeners at KSKQ 8 00:00:28,664 --> 00:00:31,519 eighty nine point five FM Ash Land and 9 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:34,340 ninety four point one FM Medford, Oregon. 10 00:00:34,719 --> 00:00:38,239 This is Joyously Free Radio with me, Joni 11 00:00:38,239 --> 00:00:38,739 Lindenmayer, 12 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:41,039 the best selling author of None Better, an 13 00:00:41,039 --> 00:00:44,159 amazing love story and coauthor of Joyously Free 14 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,914 and Healing Religious Hurts. I'm so glad that 15 00:00:46,914 --> 00:00:49,475 you are tuning in today. I'm a resident 16 00:00:49,475 --> 00:00:52,215 of Harbor, Oregon, a retired high school teacher, 17 00:00:52,435 --> 00:00:54,435 a recent author who has published three books 18 00:00:54,435 --> 00:00:57,234 in two years, created an audiobook, and with 19 00:00:57,234 --> 00:00:59,729 friend and film producer Mike Gorse, created a 20 00:00:59,729 --> 00:01:01,189 short film called Wowzer. 21 00:01:01,570 --> 00:01:03,489 That's a definite c. We are on a 22 00:01:03,489 --> 00:01:06,049 roll. But most of all, right now, right 23 00:01:06,049 --> 00:01:08,530 here, this very place, I love life and 24 00:01:08,530 --> 00:01:10,849 love being the producer and host of this 25 00:01:10,849 --> 00:01:11,670 high energy, 26 00:01:11,995 --> 00:01:15,055 joyously free radio gadio show 27 00:01:15,435 --> 00:01:17,915 so named by Will and Viv. This show 28 00:01:17,915 --> 00:01:21,034 talks about LGBTQ plus stories and tips along 29 00:01:21,034 --> 00:01:23,534 with religion, church, faith, spirituality, 30 00:01:24,010 --> 00:01:25,069 and most importantly, 31 00:01:25,689 --> 00:01:28,569 joy. It's about joy and freedom and how 32 00:01:28,569 --> 00:01:30,890 we can radiate and spread that. It's also 33 00:01:30,890 --> 00:01:33,150 the title of my second book, Joyously Free, 34 00:01:33,209 --> 00:01:36,009 coauthored with Elizabeth Ann Atkins of Two Sisters 35 00:01:36,009 --> 00:01:36,509 Writing. 36 00:01:37,129 --> 00:01:38,430 In this radio broadcast, 37 00:01:38,834 --> 00:01:40,915 just as in my everyday life, there will 38 00:01:40,915 --> 00:01:43,395 be no hate speech, no hate behaviors, and 39 00:01:43,395 --> 00:01:45,795 no bullying. It will be blasted with with 40 00:01:45,795 --> 00:01:48,594 what I call the three c's, courage, confidence, 41 00:01:48,594 --> 00:01:49,255 and collaboration. 42 00:01:49,875 --> 00:01:52,355 So together on this radio gatio show, let's 43 00:01:52,355 --> 00:01:53,930 sparkle and seek understanding. 44 00:01:54,390 --> 00:01:56,310 Think out of the box or no boxes 45 00:01:56,310 --> 00:01:58,229 at all and be open minded as an 46 00:01:58,229 --> 00:01:58,969 open parachute. 47 00:01:59,430 --> 00:02:01,450 Let's begin with our daily salutation. 48 00:02:02,069 --> 00:02:03,670 I'm going to say it's a brand new 49 00:02:03,670 --> 00:02:05,944 day, and if you could respond with it's 50 00:02:05,944 --> 00:02:07,944 never been lived before. Let's see how we 51 00:02:07,944 --> 00:02:10,985 can do. It's a brand new day. And 52 00:02:10,985 --> 00:02:14,504 it's never been lived before. Oh, I love 53 00:02:14,504 --> 00:02:16,104 it. I love it. You're gonna inter be 54 00:02:16,104 --> 00:02:18,185 introduced to Judy in just a second. She's 55 00:02:18,185 --> 00:02:20,340 a fireball. Thank you for saying that. 56 00:02:20,900 --> 00:02:22,580 Yes. And you're just sitting right across the 57 00:02:22,580 --> 00:02:24,819 table from me looking eyeball to eyeball. But 58 00:02:24,819 --> 00:02:27,080 before we get into our interview, let's again 59 00:02:27,219 --> 00:02:29,459 open our hearts, do our little prayer this 60 00:02:29,459 --> 00:02:31,939 morning, ask the divine to shine light on 61 00:02:31,939 --> 00:02:32,599 our community 62 00:02:33,175 --> 00:02:33,995 and our world. 63 00:02:35,094 --> 00:02:37,814 I excitedly believe in hope, in the power 64 00:02:37,814 --> 00:02:38,634 of the spiritual, 65 00:02:39,014 --> 00:02:39,914 and that Jesus, 66 00:02:40,215 --> 00:02:41,914 God, spirit, whatever 67 00:02:42,294 --> 00:02:45,014 name you put on a higher being is 68 00:02:45,014 --> 00:02:47,990 always with me and always with you. So 69 00:02:47,990 --> 00:02:49,449 be not afraid or troubled, 70 00:02:50,310 --> 00:02:51,370 saddened or depressed. 71 00:02:52,150 --> 00:02:54,949 Joy and peace are an internal expression of 72 00:02:54,949 --> 00:02:56,090 love and harmony. 73 00:02:56,389 --> 00:02:58,789 It's already within us, and all we have 74 00:02:58,789 --> 00:03:01,430 to do is reach deep within and let 75 00:03:01,430 --> 00:03:02,169 it out. 76 00:03:03,044 --> 00:03:04,264 Let's center ourselves. 77 00:03:05,204 --> 00:03:07,364 Take a calm, deep breath in with the 78 00:03:07,364 --> 00:03:07,864 good 79 00:03:10,004 --> 00:03:11,384 and out with doubt. 80 00:03:13,764 --> 00:03:16,745 Again, breathe in through your nose with hope 81 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,580 and out from your mouth with fears. 82 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:23,539 Last one, 83 00:03:24,159 --> 00:03:26,659 take a big deep breath in with joy 84 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:29,060 and out 85 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,539 with any worry or despair. 86 00:03:32,534 --> 00:03:34,955 In the name of mother Earth, creator God, 87 00:03:35,014 --> 00:03:37,335 Jesus our redeemer, blowing winds of the Holy 88 00:03:37,335 --> 00:03:40,455 Spirit, we say, hi, light. Hi, love. Hi, 89 00:03:40,455 --> 00:03:42,854 God. Hi, spirit. Thanks for being with this 90 00:03:42,854 --> 00:03:43,915 beautiful day. 91 00:03:44,479 --> 00:03:46,639 The quote I picked today, it's it's a 92 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:48,799 funny one because I have this funny little 93 00:03:48,799 --> 00:03:50,479 journal thingy that I have in my prayer 94 00:03:50,479 --> 00:03:52,239 corner at home. But I love this one, 95 00:03:52,239 --> 00:03:54,159 and I thought of my my guest speaker 96 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:56,259 today. And the quote goes like this. 97 00:03:57,405 --> 00:04:00,625 Jesus is watching, but police have radar. 98 00:04:01,724 --> 00:04:03,644 When I read that, I saw that, and 99 00:04:03,644 --> 00:04:05,905 it's like I just started chuckling inside. 100 00:04:06,444 --> 00:04:10,260 Jesus is watching, but police have radar. I 101 00:04:10,260 --> 00:04:12,099 guess what that sent to said to me 102 00:04:12,099 --> 00:04:12,599 was 103 00:04:13,060 --> 00:04:15,780 everywhere I go, whoever I'm in contact with, 104 00:04:15,780 --> 00:04:18,339 whatever nature thing I'm involved in, whatever book 105 00:04:18,339 --> 00:04:20,899 I'm reading, Jesus is with me. And I 106 00:04:20,899 --> 00:04:23,139 don't have to be worried about anything because 107 00:04:23,139 --> 00:04:24,964 of that. But I also, on the other 108 00:04:24,964 --> 00:04:26,485 hand, when I get in my car, I 109 00:04:26,485 --> 00:04:28,564 have to remember Jesus is with me, but 110 00:04:28,564 --> 00:04:31,204 I know the police have radar. So, Joni, 111 00:04:31,204 --> 00:04:33,285 watch where you're going. Pay attention to the 112 00:04:33,285 --> 00:04:36,425 other drivers. Be polite. Be kind. Don't speed, 113 00:04:36,644 --> 00:04:38,759 and and make it a good day. So 114 00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:40,600 it sounds funny, but that's sort of my 115 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,560 my spirituality of driving and and and life 116 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:44,060 today. 117 00:04:44,519 --> 00:04:47,160 Oh my gosh. Let us end our loving 118 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,579 prayer by lifting up our friends and family. 119 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,100 May you find 120 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:51,980 healing, 121 00:04:52,519 --> 00:04:53,019 praise, 122 00:04:53,764 --> 00:04:55,865 gratitude, whatever's on your heart today. 123 00:04:56,324 --> 00:04:58,404 May we thank the Holy One for hearing 124 00:04:58,404 --> 00:05:00,644 us and being with us. May we be 125 00:05:00,644 --> 00:05:03,464 blessed to do bigger things for more people. 126 00:05:03,685 --> 00:05:05,064 So with that, amen. 127 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:06,740 Well, KCIW 128 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,180 listeners, KZZH, 129 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:11,520 and KSKQ listeners, all of us, let me 130 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,759 introduce you to a friend of mine. Her 131 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:15,379 name is Judy Howard. 132 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,779 And to me, she is an author, 133 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,939 a podcaster, and a motivational 134 00:05:20,319 --> 00:05:20,819 speaker. 135 00:05:21,214 --> 00:05:23,615 She makes things happen. And one of the 136 00:05:23,615 --> 00:05:25,694 best things I love about Judy is her 137 00:05:25,694 --> 00:05:28,495 humor in her writings and in who she 138 00:05:28,495 --> 00:05:30,034 is. So, Judy, 139 00:05:30,334 --> 00:05:33,474 welcome to the radio show Joyously Free. 140 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:36,500 Well, thank you, Joni. It's a pleasure to 141 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:38,579 be here. I'm so excited to sit down 142 00:05:38,579 --> 00:05:40,120 with you and do this. It's, 143 00:05:40,899 --> 00:05:41,800 I've I've 144 00:05:42,100 --> 00:05:45,060 you've impressed me. Inspire me. Thank you. Thank 145 00:05:45,060 --> 00:05:46,339 you. Thank you. Well, and I remember the 146 00:05:46,339 --> 00:05:48,339 very first time we met. You attended one 147 00:05:48,339 --> 00:05:49,995 of my book events, and I thought, who 148 00:05:49,995 --> 00:05:52,955 is this lady in the straw cowboy hat 149 00:05:52,955 --> 00:05:55,115 with a vivacious smile? And you were just, 150 00:05:55,115 --> 00:05:57,274 like, so full of energy. I just had 151 00:05:57,274 --> 00:05:58,795 to get to know you. And and that 152 00:05:58,875 --> 00:06:00,714 and that's truly who you are. So how 153 00:06:00,714 --> 00:06:01,535 are you today? 154 00:06:02,169 --> 00:06:04,329 Well, I'm wonderful today. I've been, 155 00:06:04,889 --> 00:06:06,349 preparing for this interview, 156 00:06:07,689 --> 00:06:09,069 but I know that 157 00:06:09,849 --> 00:06:12,810 the spirit is everywhere. Yes. I've crossed over 158 00:06:12,810 --> 00:06:14,909 some line where I don't get so 159 00:06:15,485 --> 00:06:16,784 stressed out about 160 00:06:17,404 --> 00:06:19,664 when I'm on like this. Uh-huh. 161 00:06:19,964 --> 00:06:21,004 So I know that, 162 00:06:22,044 --> 00:06:25,104 he's in charge, and the words will come. 163 00:06:25,324 --> 00:06:27,724 And we will all have a good message 164 00:06:27,724 --> 00:06:30,240 out of this. Awesome. And it's never been 165 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,639 done before, like you said. It's never this 166 00:06:32,639 --> 00:06:34,879 time has never been lived before, and I'm 167 00:06:34,879 --> 00:06:37,199 ready to go. Right on. Right on. Right 168 00:06:37,199 --> 00:06:39,040 on. Well, I know you've written several books. 169 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,879 But before you jump into talking about your 170 00:06:40,879 --> 00:06:43,060 books and your podcast and your motivational speaking, 171 00:06:43,064 --> 00:06:44,584 tell us a little bit about who you 172 00:06:44,584 --> 00:06:45,084 are. 173 00:06:45,625 --> 00:06:46,524 Who I am. 174 00:06:46,985 --> 00:06:48,205 Well, I 175 00:06:48,584 --> 00:06:50,125 I used to tell everyone 176 00:06:51,305 --> 00:06:53,785 a long time ago, fifth over fifteen years 177 00:06:53,785 --> 00:06:55,884 ago, that I was an author. 178 00:06:57,650 --> 00:06:59,090 And, I mean, that I'm I see I'm 179 00:06:59,090 --> 00:07:00,629 I'm into the present. 180 00:07:01,009 --> 00:07:02,530 I stay in the present as much as 181 00:07:02,530 --> 00:07:04,530 I I used to introduce myself as a 182 00:07:04,530 --> 00:07:06,770 dog groomer. I was a dog groomer since 183 00:07:06,770 --> 00:07:09,024 I was 11 years old. Oh, wow. And 184 00:07:09,024 --> 00:07:10,865 I had my own business since I was 185 00:07:10,865 --> 00:07:11,925 11 years old, 186 00:07:12,464 --> 00:07:12,964 and 187 00:07:13,664 --> 00:07:15,985 that's who I was. And I earned my 188 00:07:15,985 --> 00:07:17,044 living that way 189 00:07:17,745 --> 00:07:18,245 and 190 00:07:20,224 --> 00:07:21,985 never thought much of it. I I liked 191 00:07:21,985 --> 00:07:24,060 what I did. Uh-huh. I mean, there was 192 00:07:24,220 --> 00:07:25,839 one time maybe I said, 193 00:07:26,220 --> 00:07:28,399 maybe there's more than this, but it wasn't. 194 00:07:28,699 --> 00:07:30,459 You know, somebody says, but you're doing such 195 00:07:30,459 --> 00:07:32,779 good things for these people with their puppies 196 00:07:32,779 --> 00:07:35,100 and their kitties and stuff. And that was 197 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:36,240 good enough. And 198 00:07:36,544 --> 00:07:39,185 so but he so now when you ask 199 00:07:39,185 --> 00:07:40,324 me, who am I? 200 00:07:41,904 --> 00:07:45,024 I am so many things. Oh, good. Tell 201 00:07:45,024 --> 00:07:46,225 us. Tell us. Tell us. 202 00:07:46,865 --> 00:07:47,604 But mainly 203 00:07:48,464 --> 00:07:51,120 why I'm here and why I am now 204 00:07:51,180 --> 00:07:53,360 a published author of eight books 205 00:07:54,139 --> 00:07:56,480 and a podcaster, and all this is because 206 00:07:57,899 --> 00:08:00,639 I believe that I I have this message, 207 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:03,899 and I struggled with exactly what the message 208 00:08:03,899 --> 00:08:04,399 is. 209 00:08:04,699 --> 00:08:05,199 But 210 00:08:05,685 --> 00:08:07,284 the fact is is I just know that 211 00:08:07,284 --> 00:08:09,845 I inspire people. I when I started writing, 212 00:08:09,845 --> 00:08:11,704 I started traveling across the country. 213 00:08:12,164 --> 00:08:12,664 And 214 00:08:12,964 --> 00:08:14,884 I was in my motor home with my 215 00:08:14,884 --> 00:08:16,564 cat. My husband had passed away, so I 216 00:08:16,564 --> 00:08:18,324 was doing this alone. And I would do 217 00:08:18,324 --> 00:08:21,529 seminars and meet people in beautiful places and 218 00:08:21,529 --> 00:08:22,910 all this. Mhmm. And 219 00:08:23,529 --> 00:08:24,670 everywhere I went, 220 00:08:25,370 --> 00:08:26,509 people would say, 221 00:08:27,210 --> 00:08:28,670 you inspire me. 222 00:08:29,850 --> 00:08:31,930 And I I I kept hearing that over 223 00:08:31,930 --> 00:08:33,070 and over and over 224 00:08:33,745 --> 00:08:36,144 until finally, I had to say to my 225 00:08:36,144 --> 00:08:36,644 maker, 226 00:08:36,945 --> 00:08:39,524 I says, okay. I hear you. 227 00:08:39,904 --> 00:08:42,784 I just have and and I knew I 228 00:08:42,784 --> 00:08:44,704 was supposed to take it to a a 229 00:08:44,704 --> 00:08:46,644 higher level than just teaching writing. 230 00:08:47,339 --> 00:08:50,320 So that's who I am. I'm here. 231 00:08:51,419 --> 00:08:52,240 My my 232 00:08:52,779 --> 00:08:54,860 purpose they did you know that they're calling 233 00:08:54,860 --> 00:08:57,360 it now that Americans are in a, 234 00:08:58,985 --> 00:09:01,705 a purpose crisis. Mhmm. I mean, there's always 235 00:09:01,705 --> 00:09:04,425 something. Isn't there? Right. True. So We've been 236 00:09:04,425 --> 00:09:07,144 around a while. Yes. Yeah. So anyway but, 237 00:09:08,024 --> 00:09:08,524 I 238 00:09:08,985 --> 00:09:09,485 I 239 00:09:10,185 --> 00:09:13,485 am here to help people find their path. 240 00:09:14,199 --> 00:09:17,000 I don't give advice because I've learned through 241 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,320 this journey that, you know, their way is 242 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,799 not my their way doesn't have to be 243 00:09:21,799 --> 00:09:23,559 my way, and they don't have to walk 244 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,240 down the road. I went I used to 245 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,559 teach writing, and I thought they had to 246 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,414 do this book a certain way, and and 247 00:09:29,414 --> 00:09:31,975 then they did it their way, and yet 248 00:09:31,975 --> 00:09:34,934 it still transformed them. So I'm here to 249 00:09:34,934 --> 00:09:37,115 help you find the right words, 250 00:09:37,815 --> 00:09:38,875 the right thoughts, 251 00:09:39,735 --> 00:09:41,115 so that you can be 252 00:09:41,750 --> 00:09:43,210 who you're supposed to be 253 00:09:44,309 --> 00:09:46,950 and for today. And that's joyously free. That's 254 00:09:46,950 --> 00:09:47,450 authentic. 255 00:09:47,830 --> 00:09:48,649 Yes. Because 256 00:09:49,110 --> 00:09:50,809 joyfully to watch somebody 257 00:09:51,429 --> 00:09:51,929 become 258 00:09:52,309 --> 00:09:52,809 joyously 259 00:09:53,190 --> 00:09:53,690 free 260 00:09:54,315 --> 00:09:54,795 is, 261 00:09:55,595 --> 00:09:58,394 like a high you'll ever have, and that's 262 00:09:58,394 --> 00:10:01,274 my purpose is to get that high. And 263 00:10:01,274 --> 00:10:03,595 it's and the only way I can get 264 00:10:03,595 --> 00:10:04,095 it 265 00:10:04,475 --> 00:10:05,774 is helping other people. 266 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,919 And you do that with mega amounts of 267 00:10:08,919 --> 00:10:11,639 energy. You are ballistic in your energy in 268 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:13,879 sharing who you are and just your joy 269 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:15,960 of your own life. You know? I I 270 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,720 was reading your book last night. I I 271 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,039 love this book. It's called Coast to Coast 272 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:21,580 with a Cat and a Ghost. 273 00:10:21,934 --> 00:10:23,454 I love this book. It's it's so full 274 00:10:23,454 --> 00:10:25,375 of humor, but it's so packed with some 275 00:10:25,375 --> 00:10:26,834 depth in there too. 276 00:10:27,294 --> 00:10:29,615 Would you talk a little bit about how 277 00:10:29,615 --> 00:10:32,754 you bring and inspire people through your books? 278 00:10:33,294 --> 00:10:35,235 Well, I tell my story. 279 00:10:35,860 --> 00:10:39,000 This that book was my very first book. 280 00:10:39,300 --> 00:10:41,860 Now, like I told you all, I was 281 00:10:41,860 --> 00:10:43,779 a dog groomer since I was 11 years 282 00:10:43,779 --> 00:10:45,860 old. That's all I knew. I I didn't 283 00:10:46,100 --> 00:10:47,860 I dropped out of college, like, because I 284 00:10:47,860 --> 00:10:49,540 couldn't figure out what I wanted to do. 285 00:10:49,540 --> 00:10:51,585 Mhmm. So So I had no college education. 286 00:10:52,205 --> 00:10:54,865 And my husband had just passed passed away, 287 00:10:55,165 --> 00:10:57,165 and I had started traveling in my motor 288 00:10:57,165 --> 00:10:58,465 home. And 289 00:10:59,485 --> 00:11:02,285 I was still had my business, but I 290 00:11:02,285 --> 00:11:04,980 was wanting to semi retire. So I took 291 00:11:04,980 --> 00:11:07,000 a writing a creative writing class, 292 00:11:07,460 --> 00:11:09,700 and I thought I'd I took it just 293 00:11:09,700 --> 00:11:12,019 for fun. I was not one of the 294 00:11:12,019 --> 00:11:14,259 80% of the people who thought about writing 295 00:11:14,259 --> 00:11:16,919 a book. It never crossed my mind. 296 00:11:17,299 --> 00:11:18,360 Never ever. 297 00:11:18,904 --> 00:11:21,465 And so, anyway, I took this creative writing 298 00:11:21,465 --> 00:11:24,665 class, and the first exercise was a writing 299 00:11:24,665 --> 00:11:25,165 prompt 300 00:11:25,545 --> 00:11:27,304 to write about the color red for ten 301 00:11:27,304 --> 00:11:27,804 minutes. 302 00:11:28,825 --> 00:11:31,465 And I thought, oh, man. Who could possibly 303 00:11:31,465 --> 00:11:33,465 write about the color red for ten minutes? 304 00:11:33,465 --> 00:11:36,080 I wanted to do more serious writing, I 305 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,080 guess, or whatever I was there for. You 306 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,240 know? But, again, I was just doing it 307 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:41,919 for fun. But I wanted to be a 308 00:11:41,919 --> 00:11:44,159 good student, so I started put my pen 309 00:11:44,159 --> 00:11:45,840 to the paper and started writing about the 310 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:46,980 color red. And 311 00:11:47,654 --> 00:11:49,575 the things that came out on my paper 312 00:11:49,575 --> 00:11:51,735 was our cherry tree in the backyard and 313 00:11:51,735 --> 00:11:53,735 how we picked cherries and how my mother 314 00:11:53,735 --> 00:11:55,414 would take us teach us to put them 315 00:11:55,414 --> 00:11:57,575 all in their basket of our bicycle and 316 00:11:57,575 --> 00:11:59,495 go around the neighborhood and sell them. She 317 00:11:59,495 --> 00:12:01,290 was always trying to teach us how to 318 00:12:01,290 --> 00:12:03,769 be independent because she had wanted to divorce 319 00:12:03,769 --> 00:12:05,610 my father, but he she would never get 320 00:12:05,610 --> 00:12:07,450 any of his money, so she decided to 321 00:12:07,450 --> 00:12:09,790 stay. And she's making sure that her girls 322 00:12:10,090 --> 00:12:12,649 would never be dependent on a man, and 323 00:12:12,649 --> 00:12:14,509 she did that with me for sure. 324 00:12:14,845 --> 00:12:16,225 But anyway, so, 325 00:12:16,605 --> 00:12:18,365 I took this class and when I started 326 00:12:18,365 --> 00:12:20,865 writing, I'm I was just blown away, 327 00:12:21,404 --> 00:12:23,004 but all of this was coming out of 328 00:12:23,004 --> 00:12:24,784 my head that I didn't even know I'd 329 00:12:25,325 --> 00:12:28,200 it was just blew me away. And I, 330 00:12:28,279 --> 00:12:29,740 to tell you the truth, folks, 331 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,840 I I was hooked. I mean, what else 332 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,440 is in there? I was I just wanna 333 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:35,639 know what else is in there. And I 334 00:12:35,639 --> 00:12:37,559 just and I said, if I'm gonna keep 335 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,320 coming to this class, I'll write a book. 336 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:40,514 You know? Now again, 337 00:12:41,394 --> 00:12:43,715 I tell everybody in my seminars, thank God 338 00:12:43,715 --> 00:12:45,554 I didn't know how hard it was to 339 00:12:45,554 --> 00:12:47,715 write a book because I would not have 340 00:12:47,715 --> 00:12:49,154 done it. I would be like so many 341 00:12:49,154 --> 00:12:50,835 people that I meet. They're just afraid and 342 00:12:50,835 --> 00:12:52,695 I don't think they're good enough or whatever. 343 00:12:52,915 --> 00:12:55,554 And I remember my sister saying once because 344 00:12:55,554 --> 00:12:57,685 she was she was kind of 345 00:12:58,103 --> 00:12:58,521 I'd 346 00:12:58,938 --> 00:13:01,110 she had an education. She 347 00:13:01,490 --> 00:13:05,089 she married well, and, she was just so 348 00:13:05,089 --> 00:13:07,490 much more than me because I was just 349 00:13:07,490 --> 00:13:08,549 the redneck sister. 350 00:13:08,855 --> 00:13:09,254 And I remember her 351 00:13:10,095 --> 00:13:12,134 color red. Yeah. Yeah. Back to the color 352 00:13:12,855 --> 00:13:15,434 yeah. Yeah. Right. So, anyway, she 353 00:13:16,615 --> 00:13:19,014 she said she started helping me. She was 354 00:13:19,014 --> 00:13:21,355 helping me edit because she had the education, 355 00:13:21,495 --> 00:13:22,799 she said. And, 356 00:13:23,340 --> 00:13:24,080 she says, 357 00:13:24,779 --> 00:13:26,460 what do you I don't understand because it 358 00:13:26,460 --> 00:13:28,379 was good. She was impressed by my writing. 359 00:13:28,379 --> 00:13:30,059 Uh-huh. And she says, I don't know how 360 00:13:30,059 --> 00:13:31,980 you do what do you do? You just 361 00:13:31,980 --> 00:13:33,899 decide you're gonna do this and then you 362 00:13:33,899 --> 00:13:36,264 just do it? And I don't believe that 363 00:13:36,264 --> 00:13:38,264 I knew I did that's how I operate 364 00:13:38,264 --> 00:13:40,424 in life, but that's what I was doing. 365 00:13:40,424 --> 00:13:42,424 I decided I'd write this book and I've 366 00:13:42,424 --> 00:13:44,164 destroyed it. I had 367 00:13:44,584 --> 00:13:46,664 and for anybody who out there who has 368 00:13:46,664 --> 00:13:49,164 thought about writing a book, believe me, 369 00:13:49,660 --> 00:13:52,639 I said, you just gotta start it. Because, 370 00:13:53,660 --> 00:13:55,120 I knew absolutely 371 00:13:55,580 --> 00:13:57,580 nothing about writing a book. I didn't know 372 00:13:57,580 --> 00:13:59,660 about structure. I didn't know building character. I 373 00:13:59,660 --> 00:14:02,639 didn't know any of this stuff. Mhmm. So, 374 00:14:03,784 --> 00:14:06,664 I'm self taught. Once I started I had 375 00:14:06,664 --> 00:14:07,404 this obsession, 376 00:14:07,945 --> 00:14:10,825 then I was on fire. And, when I 377 00:14:10,825 --> 00:14:12,985 wasn't writing, I was reading about writing. I 378 00:14:12,985 --> 00:14:15,225 joined critique groups, and that's where I got 379 00:14:15,225 --> 00:14:16,445 a lot of my education. 380 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,980 So, anyway, I just want everyone to know 381 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:20,700 that 382 00:14:21,079 --> 00:14:22,759 even if you were a dog groomer, you 383 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:25,000 could write books. I have eight published books 384 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,299 now. I'm a podcaster now. I do motivational 385 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:32,539 speaking, and I I I love my life. 386 00:14:34,115 --> 00:14:36,355 Wow. I I love that. And you are 387 00:14:36,355 --> 00:14:38,914 a storyteller in all of that. So just 388 00:14:38,914 --> 00:14:40,995 like your example of red, that led to 389 00:14:40,995 --> 00:14:43,554 so many other things, the cherry tree and 390 00:14:43,554 --> 00:14:45,314 and what have you. You know? But you 391 00:14:45,314 --> 00:14:47,174 are a storyteller with enthusiasm. 392 00:14:48,049 --> 00:14:50,309 Oh my god. And you never imagined this. 393 00:14:50,529 --> 00:14:53,750 No. Now I just wanna add that 394 00:14:54,769 --> 00:14:57,110 it's not easy. The first 395 00:14:57,490 --> 00:14:59,889 time I had to in a if you 396 00:14:59,889 --> 00:15:01,490 don't know what a critique group is for 397 00:15:01,490 --> 00:15:04,754 writers' critique group, authors come together or wanna 398 00:15:04,754 --> 00:15:07,394 be authors, and we read our what we've 399 00:15:07,394 --> 00:15:09,875 written to the rest of the group, and 400 00:15:09,875 --> 00:15:11,714 each one goes around and comments on it 401 00:15:11,714 --> 00:15:13,014 and gives us positive, 402 00:15:14,034 --> 00:15:14,534 comments. 403 00:15:15,730 --> 00:15:17,809 So I one week, I was had I 404 00:15:17,809 --> 00:15:19,509 had written a a article, 405 00:15:20,209 --> 00:15:21,429 an pair a chapter 406 00:15:21,889 --> 00:15:24,370 about it I was doing this coast to 407 00:15:24,370 --> 00:15:27,409 coast book, and I was going to talk 408 00:15:27,409 --> 00:15:28,470 about it was 409 00:15:29,154 --> 00:15:31,794 about my husband who had been abusive in 410 00:15:31,794 --> 00:15:32,455 my marriage. 411 00:15:33,075 --> 00:15:35,894 And when I I was gonna read that 412 00:15:36,195 --> 00:15:38,615 portion to the class, and I knew 413 00:15:38,995 --> 00:15:41,394 I was so stressed out because if when 414 00:15:41,394 --> 00:15:43,490 I read this to them, they knew that 415 00:15:43,490 --> 00:15:45,250 I was a woman who stayed in a 416 00:15:45,250 --> 00:15:47,669 marriage that had been that was abusive. 417 00:15:47,970 --> 00:15:50,450 Mhmm. And I was so ashamed the shame 418 00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:51,970 I had for that, and I thought, oh 419 00:15:51,970 --> 00:15:53,809 my god. What are they gonna think of 420 00:15:53,809 --> 00:15:54,309 me? 421 00:15:54,690 --> 00:15:55,190 And 422 00:15:57,345 --> 00:15:59,585 I I I don't I just, I guess, 423 00:15:59,585 --> 00:16:01,345 because I was so obsessed, but I did 424 00:16:01,345 --> 00:16:01,845 it. 425 00:16:02,225 --> 00:16:03,685 And once I did that, 426 00:16:04,785 --> 00:16:05,285 nobody 427 00:16:06,705 --> 00:16:07,445 said anything 428 00:16:07,985 --> 00:16:09,605 badly about me. 429 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,519 They just went on, and I I said 430 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,439 I tell in my classes, I said, after 431 00:16:14,439 --> 00:16:17,000 I I got over that hump, I'll tell 432 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,480 you anything now about my life. Right. I 433 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,959 have no shame at all. So but there 434 00:16:21,959 --> 00:16:23,259 there are hard things. 435 00:16:23,745 --> 00:16:25,985 And to be in a group where everybody 436 00:16:25,985 --> 00:16:27,684 you think knows more than you 437 00:16:28,065 --> 00:16:31,125 is difficult. Right. So there are challenges, but 438 00:16:31,664 --> 00:16:34,725 one at a time, many steps, micro steps, 439 00:16:34,945 --> 00:16:37,105 I got through it. Right. And you are 440 00:16:37,105 --> 00:16:37,845 an inspiration. 441 00:16:38,459 --> 00:16:40,779 You say you inspire people. That's your mess 442 00:16:40,939 --> 00:16:43,419 message and miss mission, I guess. But you 443 00:16:43,419 --> 00:16:45,819 are the inspiration because of what you've been 444 00:16:45,819 --> 00:16:47,659 through, how you've been a survivor, how have 445 00:16:47,659 --> 00:16:48,879 you found your authenticity. 446 00:16:49,339 --> 00:16:50,939 And and I love hearing this. Yes. I 447 00:16:50,939 --> 00:16:51,740 love hearing this. 448 00:16:52,299 --> 00:16:52,539 When 449 00:16:53,615 --> 00:16:56,495 after I'd been writing and doing seminars and, 450 00:16:56,495 --> 00:16:58,754 you know, I kept getting this message from 451 00:16:58,894 --> 00:17:01,054 up above that says, you know, you are 452 00:17:01,054 --> 00:17:03,134 an inspiration. People were telling me this all 453 00:17:03,134 --> 00:17:04,575 the time. And I said, I've gotta take 454 00:17:04,575 --> 00:17:06,275 it to the higher a higher 455 00:17:06,679 --> 00:17:09,319 level because I can hear that there are 456 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:11,480 signs out there. If you're looking for your 457 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,640 purpose, there are signs. You just have to 458 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,740 watch and listen for them. Mhmm. Mhmm. 459 00:17:16,039 --> 00:17:16,440 Mhmm. But, 460 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,559 when I I wanted to I says, well, 461 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:21,954 I'll become a motivational speaker because I know 462 00:17:21,954 --> 00:17:23,575 I'm motivating people already. 463 00:17:24,194 --> 00:17:26,134 And the thought of that just 464 00:17:26,434 --> 00:17:28,694 turned my stomach into a rock. 465 00:17:29,154 --> 00:17:31,154 I thought, oh, oh, man. I can't do 466 00:17:31,154 --> 00:17:33,519 this. Who wants to hear from me? You 467 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:35,200 know, we do all of the self talk 468 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:35,700 that 469 00:17:36,079 --> 00:17:38,640 that put ourselves putting ourselves down. And so 470 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,160 I had all of this negative talk. I 471 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,079 says, first of all, I I was 64 472 00:17:42,079 --> 00:17:44,480 years old at that time. I was 64 473 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,505 years old. I don't have any degrees, so 474 00:17:47,505 --> 00:17:49,365 I have no formal education. 475 00:17:50,384 --> 00:17:52,065 I've been a dog groomer all my life. 476 00:17:52,065 --> 00:17:53,585 Who would wanna hear what I had to 477 00:17:53,585 --> 00:17:54,085 say? 478 00:17:54,464 --> 00:17:57,025 And I put it on my business card 479 00:17:57,025 --> 00:17:57,525 anyway. 480 00:17:58,305 --> 00:17:59,904 And I thought, well, let's just see what 481 00:17:59,904 --> 00:18:01,505 happens because I knew I wouldn't do it 482 00:18:01,505 --> 00:18:03,590 unless somebody asked me. Oh. That's how I 483 00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:05,670 put it. And for about six months, nobody 484 00:18:05,670 --> 00:18:07,830 even noticed that it said motivational speaker on 485 00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:10,630 my card. And about six months after that, 486 00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:12,710 when every time I handed out my card 487 00:18:13,269 --> 00:18:15,029 and my card was busy. It had all 488 00:18:15,029 --> 00:18:15,930 the titles on my book and and all 489 00:18:15,930 --> 00:18:16,730 pictures of my cat and 490 00:18:19,134 --> 00:18:21,495 motor home and all this. Anyway, they looked 491 00:18:21,495 --> 00:18:22,815 at the card and they out of all 492 00:18:22,815 --> 00:18:25,795 of that, they've zeroed in on 493 00:18:26,095 --> 00:18:28,755 motivational speaker instead of author. And 494 00:18:29,055 --> 00:18:31,070 and and and and I I felt like 495 00:18:31,070 --> 00:18:32,350 a deer in the headlights. I says, oh, 496 00:18:32,350 --> 00:18:33,789 god. They're gonna ask me to be a 497 00:18:33,789 --> 00:18:35,570 motivational speaker at their group. 498 00:18:36,350 --> 00:18:38,830 And but, and I finally did get the 499 00:18:38,830 --> 00:18:39,970 gig. And then, 500 00:18:40,750 --> 00:18:43,869 at the the hours before I was to 501 00:18:43,869 --> 00:18:47,375 speak, It was during 2020 when the lockdown 502 00:18:47,375 --> 00:18:49,075 happened, and the organization 503 00:18:49,455 --> 00:18:51,615 got word that they had to cancel the 504 00:18:51,615 --> 00:18:54,255 show. Mhmm. So anyway but either way, I 505 00:18:54,335 --> 00:18:56,174 and again, I said, well, what is that 506 00:18:56,174 --> 00:18:59,130 message from above? I I said and it 507 00:18:59,130 --> 00:19:01,849 wasn't time. I because I back I'm such 508 00:19:01,849 --> 00:19:03,690 a different person than it was back in 509 00:19:03,690 --> 00:19:04,429 2020, 510 00:19:04,730 --> 00:19:06,409 and I hope to God I'll be a 511 00:19:06,409 --> 00:19:07,230 different person, 512 00:19:08,009 --> 00:19:11,210 five years later from now. So because but, 513 00:19:11,210 --> 00:19:12,744 anyway, so so, 514 00:19:13,144 --> 00:19:14,044 I'm just saying, 515 00:19:15,144 --> 00:19:16,444 we we run into obstacles, 516 00:19:16,744 --> 00:19:19,484 and you just have to set it up 517 00:19:19,544 --> 00:19:22,505 to pull this mind that drives you crazy 518 00:19:22,505 --> 00:19:24,265 most of the time. That self talk is 519 00:19:24,265 --> 00:19:26,345 so important, isn't it? It sounded like you've 520 00:19:26,345 --> 00:19:29,000 turned that negative self talk into positive self 521 00:19:29,539 --> 00:19:31,960 talk and and moving forward. Yes. Exactly. 522 00:19:32,259 --> 00:19:32,759 Yes. 523 00:19:33,299 --> 00:19:35,299 And that's what happens in your book. Yeah. 524 00:19:35,299 --> 00:19:38,500 Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Or books. Books. Yeah. Books. 525 00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:40,420 Yes. Yes. Yes. And think about that, listeners. 526 00:19:40,420 --> 00:19:42,339 This is really incredible. We're sitting here with 527 00:19:42,339 --> 00:19:45,554 an author who's written eight books. She's energized. 528 00:19:45,694 --> 00:19:48,194 She's a motivational speaker, and she's a podcaster. 529 00:19:48,575 --> 00:19:50,974 Yes. You have something to say. Yes. You 530 00:19:50,974 --> 00:19:52,815 have something to say. And not just say 531 00:19:52,815 --> 00:19:54,575 you bring out the best in other people, 532 00:19:54,575 --> 00:19:56,974 Judy. You absolutely do. You know? What do 533 00:19:56,974 --> 00:19:59,170 you enjoy the most? Is it the podcasting, 534 00:20:00,029 --> 00:20:00,769 the writing, 535 00:20:01,150 --> 00:20:03,390 or the motivational speaking? What do you enjoy 536 00:20:03,390 --> 00:20:05,950 the most? The writing. The writing. And when 537 00:20:05,950 --> 00:20:07,490 I started my podcast, 538 00:20:07,789 --> 00:20:10,109 I I get I do get obsessing about 539 00:20:10,109 --> 00:20:12,224 things. So I push my my work in 540 00:20:12,224 --> 00:20:14,244 progress, the book that I'm working on now, 541 00:20:14,865 --> 00:20:15,365 aside. 542 00:20:15,664 --> 00:20:17,845 And so I've been working on the content, 543 00:20:17,984 --> 00:20:20,625 which content for a podcast is totally different 544 00:20:20,625 --> 00:20:21,365 than writing, 545 00:20:22,305 --> 00:20:24,625 as a creative writing. And, 546 00:20:25,369 --> 00:20:27,850 and so I made the decision this because 547 00:20:27,850 --> 00:20:29,549 I've been shoving it to the side. 548 00:20:29,930 --> 00:20:31,930 And so, anyway, this this year, I said, 549 00:20:31,930 --> 00:20:33,690 I've gotta finish this book. It's called A 550 00:20:33,690 --> 00:20:34,830 Trillion to One. 551 00:20:35,289 --> 00:20:37,230 And, it's about my parents, 552 00:20:38,250 --> 00:20:40,029 although it's gonna be a novel. 553 00:20:40,964 --> 00:20:43,605 And, I've started writing again, and I thought, 554 00:20:43,605 --> 00:20:46,085 oh my god. I just love this. This 555 00:20:46,085 --> 00:20:47,865 is when you can can go into 556 00:20:48,325 --> 00:20:50,805 that special place where nobody else lives but 557 00:20:50,805 --> 00:20:53,059 you and your characters, and it's just, like 558 00:20:53,140 --> 00:20:53,220 I 559 00:20:54,179 --> 00:20:56,740 I've forgotten I'd almost forgotten what how that 560 00:20:56,740 --> 00:20:59,380 is. So And that's an awesome title. What 561 00:20:59,380 --> 00:21:01,319 what does that mean to you? A trillion 562 00:21:01,460 --> 00:21:03,859 to one. A trillion to one. Well, that 563 00:21:03,859 --> 00:21:04,755 title no. I 564 00:21:05,234 --> 00:21:07,154 I that's a working title, but I just 565 00:21:07,154 --> 00:21:09,795 love that title. Uh-huh. So when I I 566 00:21:09,795 --> 00:21:11,795 came when I came to Brookings, I started 567 00:21:11,795 --> 00:21:14,035 a writing critique group because I'd been traveling 568 00:21:14,035 --> 00:21:16,434 and I miss my critique groups. And so 569 00:21:16,434 --> 00:21:18,180 now I've started this group. And, 570 00:21:18,900 --> 00:21:21,220 to be honest with you and and I 571 00:21:21,220 --> 00:21:23,240 have a I have had a 572 00:21:23,860 --> 00:21:27,220 prejudice and aversion to people like you, Joni, 573 00:21:27,220 --> 00:21:29,539 that that are always talking about Jesus. I 574 00:21:29,539 --> 00:21:31,855 said, you're all Jesus freaks. And I I 575 00:21:31,855 --> 00:21:34,815 just and I there's a long a story 576 00:21:34,815 --> 00:21:37,954 behind that too of why I I understand 577 00:21:38,095 --> 00:21:40,414 why. But, anyway, I knew part of it 578 00:21:40,414 --> 00:21:42,734 was the language. But, anyway, everybody who came 579 00:21:42,734 --> 00:21:45,339 into my critique group, all they wanted to 580 00:21:45,339 --> 00:21:47,259 write their story about was how Jesus has 581 00:21:47,259 --> 00:21:49,279 saved them. And I says, oh, dear god. 582 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:50,859 I says, I don't know if I can 583 00:21:50,859 --> 00:21:52,539 handle this. I know you're putting this in 584 00:21:52,539 --> 00:21:54,059 my path I don't know. And I have 585 00:21:54,059 --> 00:21:55,440 to get over this. And, 586 00:21:56,140 --> 00:21:58,775 so, anyway, as I as I as I 587 00:21:58,934 --> 00:22:01,095 we they wrote their stories and everything, and 588 00:22:01,095 --> 00:22:02,694 it wasn't just that they were talking about 589 00:22:02,694 --> 00:22:04,855 Jesus, but their lives and everything else, and 590 00:22:04,855 --> 00:22:07,255 and their parents, and you talk about that 591 00:22:07,255 --> 00:22:09,815 in memoirs. And and I realized, all of 592 00:22:09,815 --> 00:22:11,575 a sudden, it came to me how lucky 593 00:22:11,575 --> 00:22:12,234 I was 594 00:22:12,580 --> 00:22:14,440 to have the parents I had. 595 00:22:14,820 --> 00:22:16,660 And I had gotten pregnant when I was 596 00:22:16,660 --> 00:22:17,960 16 in high school. 597 00:22:18,420 --> 00:22:18,900 And, 598 00:22:19,460 --> 00:22:20,900 when I tried to go back to high 599 00:22:20,900 --> 00:22:21,400 school 600 00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:24,039 to finish after I had the baby, 601 00:22:24,580 --> 00:22:25,080 they 602 00:22:26,294 --> 00:22:27,894 they wouldn't let me come back. And I 603 00:22:27,894 --> 00:22:30,134 know my father had to have marched into 604 00:22:30,134 --> 00:22:32,634 that high school and said, you're going to 605 00:22:32,694 --> 00:22:34,875 let her return and get her degree. 606 00:22:35,494 --> 00:22:37,974 And, and I think I it's the only 607 00:22:37,974 --> 00:22:39,630 way it could have happened, because I knew 608 00:22:39,630 --> 00:22:41,470 he was I didn't know for sure, but 609 00:22:41,470 --> 00:22:42,670 I know he was that kind of guy. 610 00:22:42,670 --> 00:22:44,349 There's no other way I could have got 611 00:22:44,349 --> 00:22:45,710 back. Wow. So I had to sit in 612 00:22:45,710 --> 00:22:47,630 the back of the class, not talk to 613 00:22:47,630 --> 00:22:48,130 anybody. 614 00:22:48,430 --> 00:22:50,509 And if they had any social events, I 615 00:22:50,509 --> 00:22:52,795 was to wait in the principal's office. Oh, 616 00:22:52,795 --> 00:22:55,835 wow. And when everybody told me that, you 617 00:22:55,835 --> 00:22:57,994 know, when I tell my story, they go, 618 00:22:57,994 --> 00:22:59,914 oh, that's terrible. They treated you that way. 619 00:22:59,914 --> 00:23:02,555 Now I in my mind, I that was 620 00:23:02,555 --> 00:23:05,515 religion, in my opinion. Oh. But that that 621 00:23:05,515 --> 00:23:07,775 did that, that created that situation. 622 00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:10,069 But in my mind, I told everybody, everybody 623 00:23:10,069 --> 00:23:11,509 says, oh, it's terrible they treated you that 624 00:23:11,509 --> 00:23:12,789 way. And I said, you know what? I 625 00:23:12,869 --> 00:23:14,089 it didn't bother me. 626 00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:15,929 It didn't bother me. 627 00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:18,549 And, I just dealt with it. It wasn't 628 00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:20,549 until I was 70 years old that I 629 00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:22,154 find out that that was the crux of 630 00:23:22,154 --> 00:23:22,894 why I hated 631 00:23:23,275 --> 00:23:25,535 religious people. Yeah. So, 632 00:23:27,434 --> 00:23:29,355 that was an insight. That was an insight. 633 00:23:29,355 --> 00:23:31,195 It was. And what a thankfulness to your 634 00:23:31,195 --> 00:23:33,755 dad for doing that, marching in. So the 635 00:23:33,755 --> 00:23:35,835 title. We're on the title. So, anyway, the 636 00:23:35,835 --> 00:23:37,859 title, I decided, you know, 637 00:23:38,740 --> 00:23:40,839 I am so lucky to have the parents 638 00:23:40,900 --> 00:23:41,720 I had, 639 00:23:42,740 --> 00:23:43,240 and 640 00:23:43,619 --> 00:23:45,460 and I was watching these other people going 641 00:23:45,460 --> 00:23:47,220 through, you know, talking about their parents and 642 00:23:47,220 --> 00:23:49,380 stuff. And I thought, I wanna write their 643 00:23:49,380 --> 00:23:51,299 story because I really don't know it. We 644 00:23:51,299 --> 00:23:53,715 weren't a a family that talked, so I 645 00:23:54,035 --> 00:23:56,055 my father had been a race car driver, 646 00:23:57,154 --> 00:23:59,315 and my mom went with him for sixteen 647 00:23:59,315 --> 00:24:01,475 years before I was ever born. So, anyway, 648 00:24:01,475 --> 00:24:03,174 all of that, they're they're religious 649 00:24:03,795 --> 00:24:05,894 because I was brought up with no religion. 650 00:24:06,035 --> 00:24:07,460 Anyway, so that's 651 00:24:07,919 --> 00:24:10,240 about it's about I I I just want 652 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,240 people to know with all of this that's 653 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,460 going on in the world, 654 00:24:13,919 --> 00:24:16,659 that not some things just never change. 655 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:18,720 You know, with we are 656 00:24:19,734 --> 00:24:22,615 people have struggled with these same issues over 657 00:24:22,615 --> 00:24:24,154 and over and over again 658 00:24:24,534 --> 00:24:25,595 throughout life. 659 00:24:25,974 --> 00:24:28,234 And Mhmm. My parents went through 660 00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:32,710 Auschwitz? 661 00:24:34,369 --> 00:24:37,430 Where where you're being criticized for your religion. 662 00:24:37,970 --> 00:24:38,470 Ostracism. 663 00:24:38,849 --> 00:24:39,730 Yeah. And, 664 00:24:40,289 --> 00:24:43,490 so we've all struggled with with issues, social 665 00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:45,505 issues, let's just put it that way. And 666 00:24:45,505 --> 00:24:47,765 it's no different today than it was yesterday. 667 00:24:48,224 --> 00:24:48,724 So 668 00:24:49,105 --> 00:24:50,464 And we can all get through it. Yes. 669 00:24:50,464 --> 00:24:51,744 So we all get through it, and they 670 00:24:51,744 --> 00:24:53,744 got through it. Using humor to do that 671 00:24:53,744 --> 00:24:55,904 or however you can tell your story. Yes. 672 00:24:55,904 --> 00:24:57,664 And and that's how you do you tell 673 00:24:57,664 --> 00:24:59,424 your story. You have the humor. You have 674 00:24:59,424 --> 00:25:01,940 everything impact in these books, and it's part 675 00:25:01,940 --> 00:25:03,940 of who you are. Yes. So so would 676 00:25:03,940 --> 00:25:06,100 that be, like, your final tip? Is that 677 00:25:06,340 --> 00:25:08,580 what what would be your final tip? Well, 678 00:25:08,580 --> 00:25:10,660 I have some You've got thirty seconds to 679 00:25:10,660 --> 00:25:11,640 do. Thirty seconds? 680 00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:12,600 I 681 00:25:12,980 --> 00:25:15,315 I want to tell the readers to 682 00:25:17,234 --> 00:25:17,974 to remember 683 00:25:18,595 --> 00:25:19,974 this. Your thoughts 684 00:25:20,434 --> 00:25:23,254 become words, your words become actions, 685 00:25:23,634 --> 00:25:25,414 your actions become habits, 686 00:25:25,794 --> 00:25:26,855 and your habits 687 00:25:27,315 --> 00:25:28,855 become the values, 688 00:25:29,579 --> 00:25:30,559 and your values 689 00:25:30,859 --> 00:25:32,559 become your destiny. 690 00:25:33,019 --> 00:25:35,119 So be careful of what you think about. 691 00:25:35,659 --> 00:25:37,179 And how you say it. Yes. Oh my 692 00:25:37,179 --> 00:25:39,259 gosh. Oh my gosh. That's phenomenal. That's a 693 00:25:39,259 --> 00:25:41,740 great ending to this. This has been phenomenal. 694 00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:43,500 It goes by so fast with you every 695 00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:45,015 time I'm with you. So I I wanna 696 00:25:45,015 --> 00:25:46,295 thank you from the top of my heart 697 00:25:46,295 --> 00:25:48,535 for being here and and telling your story 698 00:25:48,535 --> 00:25:50,295 and doing all the things that you do 699 00:25:50,295 --> 00:25:52,295 in being you. Thank you so much, Judy. 700 00:25:52,295 --> 00:25:54,475 Thank you. Well, thank you for this opportunity. 701 00:25:54,695 --> 00:25:56,295 Absolutely. I love sitting down with you. Oh 702 00:25:56,295 --> 00:25:57,494 my god. And we wanna thank all the 703 00:25:57,494 --> 00:25:59,390 listeners, you know, from all the radio stations, 704 00:25:59,390 --> 00:26:01,230 all the locations around. We hope you've been 705 00:26:01,230 --> 00:26:03,150 inspired and love, Judy, as much as I 706 00:26:03,150 --> 00:26:05,410 have today. You know, you can always 707 00:26:05,869 --> 00:26:07,329 get a hold of us at KCIW. 708 00:26:07,710 --> 00:26:09,789 But let's thank also other people to thank 709 00:26:09,789 --> 00:26:11,950 would be Mike Gorst on sound, Tom Bozak, 710 00:26:11,950 --> 00:26:14,315 Candice, and Rose. I wanna thank Steve and 711 00:26:14,315 --> 00:26:17,275 Sally and Todd for sponsoring joyously free. And, 712 00:26:17,275 --> 00:26:19,914 everybody, I think Judy's last tips, I'm gonna 713 00:26:19,914 --> 00:26:21,275 ask her to read it one more time 714 00:26:21,275 --> 00:26:23,115 before I sign off. Can you read your 715 00:26:23,115 --> 00:26:24,734 last tips for the listeners? 716 00:26:25,434 --> 00:26:28,930 Your thoughts remember this. Your thoughts become words. 717 00:26:28,930 --> 00:26:30,630 Your words become actions. 718 00:26:31,329 --> 00:26:33,029 Your actions become habits, 719 00:26:33,410 --> 00:26:34,390 and your habits 720 00:26:34,849 --> 00:26:35,349 become 721 00:26:35,650 --> 00:26:36,789 your values. 722 00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:39,750 Awesome. Guess what? Your values become 723 00:26:40,049 --> 00:26:41,029 your destiny. 724 00:26:41,515 --> 00:26:44,714 Awesome. So everybody, smile big. Wear bright colors. 725 00:26:44,714 --> 00:26:46,974 Have a great day. Thanks again, Judy. 726 00:26:47,355 --> 00:26:48,174 Thank you.